St. Symeon the Theologian one of my favorite Christian mystics: We awaken in Christ’s body as Christ awakens our bodies, and my poor hand is Christ, He enters my foot, and is infinitely me. I move my hand, and wonderfully my hand becomes Christ, becomes all of Him (for God is indivisibly whole, seamless in His Godhood). I move my foot, and at once He appears like a flash of lightning. Do my words seem blasphemous? - Then open your heart to Him and let yourself receive the one who is opening to you so deeply. For if we genuinely love Him, we wake up inside Christ’s body where all our body, all over, every most hidden part of it, is realized in joy as Him, and He makes us, utterly, real, and everything that is hurt, everything that seemed to us dark, harsh, shameful, maimed, ugly, irreparably damaged, is in Him transformed and recognized as whole, as lovely, and radiant in His light he awakens as the Beloved in every last part of our body.
Interesting conversation about Steiner. I do know that in his personal life he had a great devotion to God. He would recite the Lord's Prayer at the top of his lungs every day so passionately that even the people in the street could hear him praying!
@@DChristina It's wonderful that you've found something that resonates with you and enriches your life. I'm also glad that we can love and respect each other even though I've chosen a different path. All the very best to you my sister in Christ. 💕
@@TheOriginalJenafire I'm reading a book that Richard Smolley recommended called: "Meditations on the Tarot: A Journey into Christian Hermeticism." It's a very deep and challenging book! I find it very uplifting. The author seems like a genius.
17:55 "Conscious love evokes the same in response. Love of feeling evokes the opposite. Love of body is dependent on type." - Gurdjieff. Very interesting. Smoley goes on to talk about transactional love, and a reckoning of accounts, and the reality of the frequency of conditional love. I agree that it's important to be honest about this, otherwise it causes people unnecessary pain. This is the last thing I expected to be interested in, but somehow, this video makes these sometimes uncomfortable ideas gentle and intriguing.
Some excellent points made. Especially the concept of a mystical thread uniting ALL the religions. This reveals how intuitive insight/"revelation" is a trans-spacio-temporal phenomenon (ie it is archetypal/universal). "Even" the vast majority of indigenous shamans around the world and throughout the ages reached the selfsame insights re human nature and its interface with the inner causal/acausal spirit.
Steiner also makes connections between diff religons. He dosn't speak falsely on the topic but seems to not either have a complete understanding of or just dosen't hold Anthroposophy or Steiners teachings to be completely accurate or lacking. Not my opinion. But I look to Eastern Greek Orthodoxy/Anthroposophy and Researchers of truth for alot of guidance
Loved the information. Found it beautiful, and teared up a couple of times. Who am I? Well if I'm asking myself who I am, I feel something in my chest. That coupled with the analogy to the tree, having many branches, leaves, roots & fruits. We may indeed have something in all of us that is a collective, & that something or force, could be what you feel when you focus on the question of, Who am I. But I never really thought about it & want to ask lots of people what they feel too. Thank you so much I'm always learning.
Hey Jeffrey, your channel is superb. What are your thoughts on the Sumerian god Enki and Enlil and them being the gods in the garden of Eden? Also what do you think of the serpent symbol of knowledge and that eve was tempted by one?
Actually the most popular version is "Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have Mercy" a sinner was added later. I'm sure most people know "sinner" is a Greek word that comes from archery meaning, to miss the mark. So what is the mark, or point iv'e missed that makes me a sinner?...That life is not about "me" that I am about life, so living a self-centered life, trapped in the bondage of self. Of myself i can do no good thing, it is not i who lives, but Christ in me that lives.
IF our biofields are in constant motion, and store our personal data (thoughts, memories) and are shaped like a toroid, everything would pass through all the chakras on a regular basis. The "dominant" chakra would vary depending on what *choices* a person habitually makes.
To be honest, in my opinion Mystical Christianity differs from other religions and esoteric systems. Indeed this is religion of love, but love by sacrifice, christian initiation is about death and dying for this world but not for sake of haven or nirvana, not for personal salvation but for salvation of whole beings. This is the meaning of aplha and omega. In Buddism there is altruism but also complete ignorance of evil and the meaning of evil in this world. In christianity evil must be also included so you can conquere death and gain inmortality not only for yourself but for the whole of the cosmos. Christ is Chokmah in Kabbalah, Judaism is Binah, femine energy, Buddism is Geburah and Hinduism is Chesed (atman). Everyone recognise Christ force/Logos but only Christianity focus on it fully, that is why the Devil is also important.
Not sure if I should call it biblical, even though it is certainly more biblical than what Luther and Calvin taught
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Accept Jesus and your SAVED, or in other words - YOU HAVE ATTAINED ENLIGHTENMENT !!! Esoteric / Mystical truth is painful to accept. I know because I was conditioned mentally to accept this utter nonsense."Don't question the RELIGIOUS AUTHORITIES, believe whatever they say". The Quest for the "HOLY GRAIL" is not easy !! Peace to ALL TRUTH SEEKERS.
No human has ever perfectly lived in the footsteps of Christ, therefore no human has attained enlightenment except through the proactive efforts of Christ’s participation in human affairs.
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@@zachmorley158 Is this your conditioned belief ? This is why I mentioned "Truth seekers" !!
As a First nation on the planet Armenians in 301 bc we accept Christianity as a government religion but as a linguist I see when accepting this ideology we have all scientific knowledge about everything in every aspect and it was Grigor Lusavoritch ,( The last name has the meaning bringing the light the knowledge ) Which is in some sense can’t understand you have way way ....advanced knowledge and it was lost or hide it . Why can’t understand . So it came with bad attitude too but it opened in me so much so it’s ok .,but now to understand one must go back to Sun alphabet with the sound letters and accordingly the numbers and how it works naturally not man created 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Live and thus TH-cam can be ironic sometimes. I clicked on this video, just to hear the guest using the same arguments , stating a concept i tried to explain in a (to) long debate in a comment section of the previous video i saw a week ago. It made me laugh about my own tendency wanting to say what has been said by many others before.
There' s a certain humility, a loving kindness that eminates from those who've experienced the transcendant. He speaks as one having exoteric knowledge rather than esoteric.
God is knowledge of Love Energy quality.(I believe one day we’ll know what’s in there the atmosphere that love transforms ,) before we use the language ,to talk to , to communicate to help the mechanism to Think as a Primitive Humans comes the feelings and that’s kind Of Energy has a constructing building atoms quality . So first ,love is a Mechanism architecting A Healing specific atmosphere where the Human body or anything exists in the nature ,feel safe, ,,, to exist to live , healing atmosphere and all the other supporting thought machine structures that forces the Atmosphere .then we can label it and make a knowledge of Love 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
'masters of wisdom' first of all is a misnomer - ain't no such a thing ever or anywhere in the world. No human 'man' was a master of anything 'cept perhaps of himself. But let me say this - biblical authors wrote down stories either of two ways: 1) as real history from their p.o.v. and beliefs or 2) as allegory, knowingly so writing bible stories as allegory. In modern times, WE can read the allegory as intentional OR as accidental. We'll never know - the bible scribes are all dead. All we can can do is 1) see the text as literal history or as metaphor. The truth lies somewhere in the center and surely NOT history. To prove my point folks read JOB, btw written by anonymous. And for me, IS the most brilliant allegorical tale in the entire bs book. Genius in the first two pages when the author clearly tells us how god colluded with the devil ro ruin JOB simply out of ego/vanity NOT as a test of faith as most ppl interpret the story. JOB is about GOD's narcissism not about one man's faith and how the lord he adores destroys him just to make a point - 'see, I told ya you must love me!' I urge anyone to read the story and enjoy the fiction for what it truly is - a good poetic tale akin to shakespeare. Peace, aho!
It's hard to recognize a master of wisdom when you don't have much of it. The one that masters him/herself knows everything worth knowing. Drop the books. you know.too.much
some say Jesus is an apostle. he bring good news that God is One. some say Jesus is son of god. some say Jesus himself is god. some say Mary Magdalene is higher because she bore Jesus. the christian are confuse.
Altex lan Things are clear since the Council of Nicea for Christians. Those who follow this council are orthodox, those who do not agree are heterodox. It is as simple.
Mary was a conduit nothing more. Jesus is the only son of God , who was God, and part of the Trinity. There are real Christians who believe the Bible and then a whole lot of perverted versions of Christianity.
St. Symeon the Theologian one of my favorite Christian mystics:
We awaken in Christ’s body
as Christ awakens our bodies,
and my poor hand is Christ, He enters
my foot, and is infinitely me.
I move my hand, and wonderfully
my hand becomes Christ, becomes all of Him
(for God is indivisibly
whole, seamless in His Godhood).
I move my foot, and at once
He appears like a flash of lightning.
Do my words seem blasphemous? - Then
open your heart to Him
and let yourself receive the one
who is opening to you so deeply.
For if we genuinely love Him,
we wake up inside Christ’s body
where all our body, all over,
every most hidden part of it,
is realized in joy as Him,
and He makes us, utterly, real,
and everything that is hurt, everything
that seemed to us dark, harsh, shameful,
maimed, ugly, irreparably
damaged, is in Him transformed
and recognized as whole, as lovely,
and radiant in His light
he awakens as the Beloved
in every last part of our body.
I guess I am quite randomly asking but does anyone know a good place to stream new movies online ?
@Emery Darwin try FlixZone. Just google for it :)
@George Markus yea, have been using FlixZone for years myself =)
@George Markus Thanks, I went there and it seems to work :D I appreciate it !!
@Emery Darwin glad I could help :)
Interesting conversation about Steiner. I do know that in his personal life he had a great devotion to God. He would recite the Lord's Prayer at the top of his lungs every day so passionately that even the people in the street could hear him praying!
really? where did you hear that one?
@Michael James 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for your insights
Super useful ❤
Converted to Orthodoxy 22 years ago- best decision ever. Everything else just pales! God bless💓
Who converted? The ego or the I?
@@vtek2508 - In answer your your (?) question: My whole entire loving & quite authentic being! Beyond ego, baby:-)
@@DChristina you converted away from what? Atheism?
@@DChristina It's wonderful that you've found something that resonates with you and enriches your life. I'm also glad that we can love and respect each other even though I've chosen a different path. All the very best to you my sister in Christ. 💕
@@TheOriginalJenafire I'm reading a book that Richard Smolley recommended called: "Meditations on the Tarot: A Journey into Christian Hermeticism." It's a very deep and challenging book! I find it very uplifting. The author seems like a genius.
17:55 "Conscious love evokes the same in response. Love of feeling evokes the opposite. Love of body is dependent on type." - Gurdjieff. Very interesting. Smoley goes on to talk about transactional love, and a reckoning of accounts, and the reality of the frequency of conditional love. I agree that it's important to be honest about this, otherwise it causes people unnecessary pain. This is the last thing I expected to be interested in, but somehow, this video makes these sometimes uncomfortable ideas gentle and intriguing.
Great interview!
thanks
I love Jeffrey Mishlove. Didn't know there were newer episodes of this show, i had always liked the old ones.
He's the Energizer Bunny.
Why is Theosophy against helping its adherents gaining powers any longer? It's my understanding that this was not so in the past.
Narrow is the Way !
Some excellent points made. Especially the concept of a mystical thread uniting ALL the religions. This reveals how intuitive insight/"revelation" is a trans-spacio-temporal phenomenon (ie it is archetypal/universal). "Even" the vast majority of indigenous shamans around the world and throughout the ages reached the selfsame insights re human nature and its interface with the inner causal/acausal spirit.
Steiner also makes connections between diff religons. He dosn't speak falsely on the topic but seems to not either have a complete understanding of or just dosen't hold Anthroposophy or Steiners teachings to be completely accurate or lacking. Not my opinion. But I look to Eastern Greek Orthodoxy/Anthroposophy and Researchers of truth for alot of guidance
We are all one.
Loved the information. Found it beautiful, and teared up a couple of times. Who am I? Well if I'm asking myself who I am, I feel something in my chest. That coupled with the analogy to the tree, having many branches, leaves, roots & fruits. We may indeed have something in all of us that is a collective, & that something or force, could be what you feel when you focus on the question of, Who am I. But I never really thought about it & want to ask lots of people what they feel too. Thank you so much I'm always learning.
Bless you
People in positions of power are there because those who love power are highly organized so they can keep their power.
Still just trippin in the garden. Learning about good and evil
Honest discussion scares people.
Hey Jeffrey, your channel is superb. What are your thoughts on the Sumerian god Enki and Enlil and them being the gods in the garden of Eden? Also what do you think of the serpent symbol of knowledge and that eve was tempted by one?
Actually the most popular version is "Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have Mercy" a sinner was added later. I'm sure most people know "sinner" is a Greek word that comes from archery meaning, to miss the mark. So what is the mark, or point iv'e missed that makes me a sinner?...That life is not about "me" that I am about life, so living a self-centered life, trapped in the bondage of self. Of myself i can do no good thing, it is not i who lives, but Christ in me that lives.
This was interesting.
we are coming after william
A timely interview about the "heart" and "love" with the world being in a state of crisis.
IF our biofields are in constant motion, and store our personal data (thoughts, memories) and are shaped like a toroid, everything would pass through all the chakras on a regular basis. The "dominant" chakra would vary depending on what *choices* a person habitually makes.
4:35 I would sincerely have to say it is "Baby don't hurt me"
Well played my friend.
Fundamentally they're the same, like spokes of a wheel.
Goodness, who gave Richard that shiner?
Is he a Jew (Richard)
To be honest, in my opinion Mystical Christianity differs from other religions and esoteric systems.
Indeed this is religion of love, but love by sacrifice, christian initiation is about death and dying for this world but not for sake of haven or nirvana, not for personal salvation but for salvation of whole beings. This is the meaning of aplha and omega. In Buddism there is altruism but also complete ignorance of evil and the meaning of evil in this world. In christianity evil must be also included so you can conquere death and gain inmortality not only for yourself but for the whole of the cosmos. Christ is Chokmah in Kabbalah, Judaism is Binah, femine energy, Buddism is Geburah and Hinduism is Chesed (atman). Everyone recognise Christ force/Logos but only Christianity focus on it fully, that is why the Devil is also important.
Jesus is the rock
Relationship>religion
Not sure if I should call it biblical, even though it is certainly more biblical than what Luther and Calvin taught
Accept Jesus and your SAVED, or in other words - YOU HAVE ATTAINED ENLIGHTENMENT !!!
Esoteric / Mystical truth is painful to accept. I know because I was conditioned mentally to accept this utter nonsense."Don't question the RELIGIOUS AUTHORITIES, believe whatever they say".
The Quest for the "HOLY GRAIL" is not easy !!
Peace to ALL TRUTH SEEKERS.
No human has ever perfectly lived in the footsteps of Christ, therefore no human has attained enlightenment except through the proactive efforts of Christ’s participation in human affairs.
@@zachmorley158 Is this your conditioned belief ? This is why I mentioned "Truth seekers" !!
Aquarian Aged7 experience. I’ve been studying esotericism for awhile and while it appears novel I have gotten little out of it.
@@zachmorley158 It is not your time to understand the wisdom of the "Heart of Religion". There is a season for everything !
As a First nation on the planet Armenians in 301 bc we accept Christianity as a government religion but as a linguist I see when accepting this ideology we have all scientific knowledge about everything in every aspect and it was Grigor Lusavoritch ,( The last name has the meaning bringing the light the knowledge ) Which is in some sense can’t understand you have way way ....advanced knowledge and it was lost or hide it . Why can’t understand . So it came with bad attitude too but it opened in me so much so it’s ok .,but now to understand one must go back to Sun alphabet with the sound letters and accordingly the numbers and how it works naturally not man created 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Live and thus TH-cam can be ironic sometimes. I clicked on this video, just to hear the guest using the same arguments , stating a concept i tried to explain in a (to) long debate in a comment section of the previous video i saw a week ago. It made me laugh about my own tendency wanting to say what has been said by many others before.
This guy is cold. Bad vibes!
Hahahaha! Perhaps he's simply stoic in his personality.
There' s a certain humility, a loving kindness that eminates from those who've experienced the transcendant. He speaks as one having exoteric knowledge rather than esoteric.
The right blue eye...
@@juliawild5173 It feels like all his knowledge of the mystical is just on a academic level and not experiential.
Pussy
God is knowledge of Love Energy quality.(I believe one day we’ll know what’s in there the atmosphere that love transforms ,) before we use the language ,to talk to , to communicate to help the mechanism to Think as a Primitive Humans comes the feelings and that’s kind Of Energy has a constructing building atoms quality . So first ,love is a Mechanism architecting A Healing specific atmosphere where the Human body or anything exists in the nature ,feel safe, ,,, to exist to live , healing atmosphere and all the other supporting thought machine structures that forces the Atmosphere .then we can label it and make a knowledge of Love 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Isn't this that old dude from all the memes?
No that man is Russian and has an uglier face
Could have fooled me! i.imgflip.com/1freth.jpg
What are Khlyst?
'masters of wisdom' first of all is a misnomer - ain't no such a thing ever or anywhere in the world. No human 'man' was a master of anything 'cept perhaps of himself. But let me say this - biblical authors wrote down stories either of two ways: 1) as real history from their p.o.v. and beliefs or 2) as allegory, knowingly so writing bible stories as allegory. In modern times, WE can read the allegory as intentional OR as accidental. We'll never know - the bible scribes are all dead. All we can can do is 1) see the text as literal history or as metaphor. The truth lies somewhere in the center and surely NOT history. To prove my point folks read JOB, btw written by anonymous. And for me, IS the most brilliant allegorical tale in the entire bs book. Genius in the first two pages when the author clearly tells us how god colluded with the devil ro ruin JOB simply out of ego/vanity NOT as a test of faith as most ppl interpret the story. JOB is about GOD's narcissism not about one man's faith and how the lord he adores destroys him just to make a point - 'see, I told ya you must love me!' I urge anyone to read the story and enjoy the fiction for what it truly is - a good poetic tale akin to shakespeare. Peace, aho!
You're trolling, Chris! You're trolling, my brother!
It's hard to recognize a master of wisdom when you don't have much of it. The one that masters him/herself knows everything worth knowing. Drop the books. you know.too.much
I see a Jewish man who really want to accept the divinity of Christ but can't bring himself to do it. Just my impression.
How bout a man simply speaking his truth?
Yes, a secret church of John exists!! Free Masons know well the two Saints John!!!
Free masons have nothing to do with the bible or the christian faith
and i'm saying that as a muslim
some say Jesus is an apostle.
he bring good news that God is One.
some say Jesus is son of god.
some say Jesus himself is god.
some say Mary Magdalene is higher
because she bore Jesus.
the christian are confuse.
Calm down there, Kirk Cameron. While I believe that Jesus is the son of God, I think this is a horrible way of convincing people.
Altex lan
Things are clear since the Council of Nicea for Christians. Those who follow this council are orthodox, those who do not agree are heterodox. It is as simple.
Mary was a conduit nothing more. Jesus is the only son of God , who was God, and part of the Trinity.
There are real Christians who believe the Bible and then a whole lot of perverted versions of Christianity.
Mary Magdalene did not bear Yeshua. Different Mary.
There's a great love in Lucifer! For him self! Religion of the future...or today...