This Secret Grigri Hack that only Mountain Guides Know!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ค. 2021
- Hey everyone this week we have a awesome hack for you. I got this one from a Mountain Guide on our Discord. He has a pretty sweet Instagram as well of some really @dumbanchors Go check that out. I hope you enjoyed that one let me know what you think, and remember, what isn't tied in will eventually fall.
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IMPORTANT! ALL CLIMBERS USING THIS METHOD PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS! I'm sorry to be leaving a comment like this but I'm currently recovering from a broken back and broken arm after falling 50ft as a result of having this tether.. If you are climbing with a novice climber MAKE 100% sure your buddy knows exactly how to use the gri gri and make damn sure they know NOT to just clip into only the tether and not the device, unfortunately my friend did exactly that and I hadn't noticed before starting the climb. (we had just done two other climbs without issue) I reached the top of the climb and started descent on the rope, I felt the little accessory cord give way from the plastic as I dropped 50ft to the floor. Got airlifted to hospital and am slowly recovering but it messed me up good so please please be careful if climbing with someone that doesn't know about it, it's a great trick but yeah be vigilant
I'm glad you are alive!
NEVER GIVE NOVICE CLIMBERS GRIGRIS
@@dannyCOTW thanks man.. Yeh for sure haha
@@FLOOPC Glad, you made it to see another day man. Couldn't imagine.. That must've been terrifying. I've had a couple friends take ground falls from that height because of an improper belay, and hearing their recollections of it make me shiver. Thank you for the heads up, because I wouldn't of foresaw this sort of mistake happening as a result of adding something like this. I've been climbing for a long time, and I'm usually pretty good about double checking that we're both clipped and tied in safely, but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't ever left the belay without a care in the world lol. Giving things just a quick glance... or in some cases, no check at all. How are you doing now? Are you returning to climbing?
@@mohawkman9 thanks mate, I'm doing good, you're bang on, slowly back to my old tricks with a bit of light climbing and caving, definitely got some ptsd to work through as I find myself getting to the top of climbs now and not being able to let go, just climbing down instead 😂 also doing SRT activities I find myself struggling to get over edges now, I find myself straight back where I was at my accident and can hear the gear slapping the wall, the rope whizzing passed and a black hole opens in my chest, even watching certain climbing shit on TV does it. Time on ropes will fix that i guess. Whole body has suffered from the accident unfortunately, so I feel like half the man I was, but training back up to health now that I'm able to a few things, I just have to pay for it the next day 😂, I get constant pain in my back where the break is but it's dealable with most days with painkillers. Can definitely recommend NOT doing this to yourself! 😂 And yeah 100% complacency kills.. We get too comfortable and forget to double check things, I know I do triple checks on everything now and I still feel gross. But thanks a lot for your reply as if this message reaches even 1 person I feel better about it as I wouldnt wish this happening to anyone, don't get me wrong this trick is great and I still use it, just stay vigilant!
Damn bro that sucks man. I hope u get well soon
For anyone a bit skittish about doing the modifications, I found that you can achieve the same effect by tying a loop around the biner hole of the grigri 2. Open up the device as if you are going to put a rope in. Look closely at the biner hole and the surrounding structure. You should see a path from the hole rim to the outside of the device that doesn't interfere with the rope and allows the other metal plate to close. Tie a self-tightening loop following that path with a 3mm cord and you are done. I've been using this setup for a year now and even when the loop slides around a bit it doesn't interfere with anything.
Another passing tip: Pass with with your palm facing up! You can release the item and the item stays where it is. Also makes it easier for the receiver to see when you've released your grip. I like the grigri hack too though.
I tend not to pass anything hand to hand and clip directly to my partners gear sling or harness loop or the rope at the tie-in point.
That’s even better. When potentially working over people I use dedicated lanyards to do that for tools. Anything that’s not tied in will fall eventually.
Agreed. I always put it right in their belay loop
This is an old trick. You could've put a lighter to that overhand and melt it slightly so it won't come undone.
Best way to pass gear is clip it to their tether, they take it off their tether and rack it however they want when they are ready to.
The dude I learned to trad climb from showed me this a few years ago, and it has in fact saved me from dropping my grigri!
I feel attacked... I dropped my grigri on a multipitch last Saturday 😂 Will definitely have to get my drill out now...
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Did you get your grigri back?
@@Grethko free booty 🏴☠️
@@Grethko Haha free booty for me! Luckly it was a low-angle belay station and came to rest on a ledge about 15 feet below me. I just loosened my clove hitch and grabbed it. Made sure it wasn't broken and waited to tell my wife about the whole thing until we made it all the way to the top 🤣
easy solution: use a belay device that is better suited for multipitch climbing ;)
You don’t need to drill any holes to pull this off! You can tie into the carabiner hole if you use thing cord. I used 1mm HMWPE kite string
I also used scaffold knots for both the grigri attachment and the carabiner attachment. These cinch down under tension, so they’ll stay in the indent in the carabiner and out of the way.
Keeping the cord short keeps it out of the way
New to this channel and a newbie to climbing as well, however, I do work as a scaffolder and we get to some pretty extreme heights. Usually over busy construction sites or city streets. Anyway, besides the basic safety nets and such we use something we call the grip and twist method. Basically the same things as literally pulling materials from another person's hands except we twist it out when we pull. It's really hard to mistake a twist put things get caught in gloves and feels like a tug and I've seen some bad shit go down as a result. A quick "mine, got it or yup" doesn't hurt to add either
I used a fine tip soldering iron to burn through the plastic while keeping the edges smooth. On a fine line, you can squeeze a figure eight in there with a little work. But still a great video in showing how to pass items
SO GOOD. Thanks for this bro!
Router => chamfer the hole to avoid abrasion on the utility cord. Cool trick!
Thank you for sharing, man! 👍
1) You can use 550 cord guts to make the lanyard
2) Petzel should make a new Gri Gri that has an i'D setup on one of the plates...It let's you stay locked into the carabiner with one of the plates having a spring loaded lever that let's you close with a carabiner on it..You can open it that way as well but it's more difficult which is a good thing.....Yes I'm the friend that forgets gear everywhere like a dummy, so lanyards are a must for me
Sweet now I have something to do. Awesome tip man thank you. Now let's just hope we don't drop it when we get it off the back gear loop to belay loop.
Bloody brilliant
That whole scene about how to pass things, I thought you were gonna use the method I learned for knives in the boy scouts:
Giver: do not let go of the item until the taker says thank you
Taker: don't say thank you until you have a firm grip on the item
That's gonna get verbose at the belay when you swap each piece of gear.
Awesome, ty!
I like the idea of throwing stuff at climbing partner and hoping he have some catching skills.
Yeap i can spoke about it, done that long time ago on a grigri one, first of the name. It's particulary usefull for me when i'm bolting / cleanning route then dealing with a lot of gear up and downway
Pretty handy trick, Do you think Petzl should add this as a standard feature?
yes
Of course man
Petzl states that doing this mod voids the warranty & releases them from liability. It’s a common sense mod & necessary if you’re using it for solo lead climbing to rig it to a neck tension loop though. It would be nice if they would just add it as a feature.
they should, but they will not. It's the grigri conspiracy, they want you to drop it so you can buy another one!
Everything should be attached to something, always keep it within the system but this is a hack I've never seen before 😁
You could probably use some electrical shrink-wrap over that single-overhand knot to keep it from untying itself.
Brilliant 👏
That's why I love my RIG so much. Installed it with quick link to my D point and I only have to put my rope in and out.
Good modification for a rope solo application.
Petzl makes biners with tiny holes specifically for this application. Though the device paired with said biner also needs a hole. Strange the grigri family doesn't. The nanotraxion does however.
Don't do the grab-and-pull, still allows a chance for dropping since it's sliding through one person's hand. 2nd person grabs the item and says "Got" and the 1st person waits a second and then releases.
Just did this to my og grigri cheers for the tip
You can also just tie a loop through the krab hole with the same very thin cord because the gap between the grigri leaves is wide enough. Then just tie it back onto the krab.
Nice, only recently moved onto GriGri, from Belay and Prusik, and the loose handling was something I had concerns about
Thanks for proving me right, wife likes the gate opening on the left but then can't do the safe open trick
I asked my guide buddies, non of them use it. They all stated pretty much the same, if you do drop your belay device use a munster hitch.
Not trying to fear-monger or anything, but I can imagine a rare situation where, if the loop of cord is too long and the belayer doesn't notice, the cord can get stuck over the top of the grigri and prevent it from auto-locking by holding the camming section down. Might do it on my grigri and see how likely it is.
Familia never dies.
Haha, jokes on you, cant loose much when you solo 😂
Are there other pieces of vertical gear where a mod like this is a good idea? Basically to where the device and carabiner are a unit
Why not use the metal "hole" on the side of the grigri (beneath the pin)? Got mine attached there but mostly for solo lead to keep the grigri in the correct orientation
You can do that, tether might be alittle longer and more annoying. Thing the drill hole looks cleaner
Great tip!
How usual is for people to use a grigri on multi pitch routes?
I normally use an atc device as it's more versatile and lighter.
Grigri is standard for guiding, especially for belaying from above (bringing up a second)
Me too.
I use it on every multipitch and carry a tube device as well for rappelling. The extra weight doesn't make a difference, honestly. The friction for top belaying with a Grigri is so much better than with a tube device that it's totally worth it! Plus if you need to lower the person a bit, that's much easier, as is setting up a 3:1 haul if you need to get your follower past a hard section. I also just feel safer belaying with and being belayed with a Grigri. It's nice having that insurance in case the belayer gets hit with rockfall or something
It’s about a million times safer and easier to belay with
@@Grethko i Thought this is not recommended because the camming action can get blocked by the rockface
Hey boss interested in top rope soloing and I like your systems. Have a few questions
Oh I see is it still strong enough
Nice shirt Mr Iwa 🤣💪
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What kind of locking biner is that?
Hey, with that size of cord, couldn’t a figure 8 knot fit in that hole?
Is there something similar for the Birdie
I hear it's always sunny in Philadelphia
You could just glue the knot tied too
I assume there's a reason you wouldn't want to run a tether between the biner and one of the holes in the grigri plate? Not enough room for the tether to clear?
Some people do and also try to tether the pin as well. But like you said that would separate the plates
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Another awesome video, and great camera angle!
I own the grigri 2 and grigri 3, so I can confidently say I don't like the grigri. I'm really loving the atc pilot though.
Pullout game strong. Heh heh.
What if you use a birdie or lifeguard?
You may be able to sling the pin
Hey, Comes from France, excuse my english... i was thinking that if you modify your device like by drilling a hole in it, or engrave it, it won't bé recognize as normative, and if you have an accident using it, insurance won't help you because you were not using a normative device?? Instead why don't you put a string in the hole on the right side of the grigri (the part that Comes UP)?
You can also do that. But it maybe spread that plates apart a little. Maybe in that case if you where found to be spreading the plates you would still be found in fault. But just for argument sake if you did have an accident it wouldn’t be because of the string unless you found a way to loop the tether around the break to some how hold it down. I tried to do that and found it very difficult.
Oh you mean near the pin? Yeah that is also somthing ppl do but the tether needs to longer and might get tangled and be annoying because of the length. But it also can be done good point.
Of course le little hole Won't break thé grigri ^^ but the insurance would take evrything to not help you ! And yes i think i was talking about the pin! Thank you =)
Awesome tip. I'm that guy. (At least I know it.)
Instead of picking it apart and risking your warranty... cant you just tie a thin loop throu the hole meant for the belay carabiner?
Some ppl loop the pin.
What is a good diameter accessory chord for this? 2mm? 1mm?
Smaller the better. It’s not suppose to be load bearing just catch a fall. If something was to catch on the loop you would prob want it to break off. I can try to get the exact dimension of that hole if your really interested.
@@BetaClimbers no stress
Yeah, but what if you drop the carabiner? Sometimes you just can't help dumb people
Lol 😂 yeah hopefully that’s stays on the harness
Carabiner is the preferred englature
What's "englature?"
I like the Munter Hitch. And I watched my wall spoon fall away half way up El Cap while fishing around for more film (yes, I'm old) and realized I would have to eat my canned raviolis with a nut tool or LA or angle for the rest of the climb. I watched the spoon flutter in the wind to tease me before it was completely gone forever. I should have had that thing tied in somehow.
🤣🤣🤣
Guess you could find a way to fix a pocket clip some cheap ballpoint pens have to the handle of a spoon... so it at least wouldn´t slip out of your pocket/ bag.
Smash that comment for the YT algorithm!
Its a rope solo thang
Or, say "thank you" when you take something from someone, and you have it.
Do you use a double auto locker as your belay carabiner? I have been using one to belay and was wondering if I should be using a triple. 😬
Use what you're comfortable with. Screwgate isn't wrong either.
Double munter aka “monster munter” won’t pigtail your rope. And has a lot more control than single munter.
Good tip! I did a video on that actually 😂
@@BetaClimbers I think every climber, should know A bunch of other knots, to include arborist knots. Like the Blakes hitch and others.
@@BetaClimbers and I mentioned the Blakes hitch specifically, because what if you drop your carabiner as well. In a pinch, you can do it with the tail end of the rope that you’re climbing on.
@@BetaClimbers I say this because when I first learned how to climb in the early 70s belay devices were not exactly widespread. And I learned climbing, from people who have never had one before. Not that I am that old of a man, but a lot of skills are being lost.
@@NoName-OG1 I hear you loud and clear thats the stuff I like to cover!
Jokes on you I’m just gonna drop the beaner too
I don't own a grigri but from now on I will assume every grigri has this safety feature and drop them all.
Grirgi in an alpine situation is useless anyways, drop it
Lmao get a load of this guy
Agree. ATC. You can rappel a single rope doubled and pull your rope. A grigri is useless in that situation.
@@pentachronic actually you can do that with a grigri too, with the ‘Biner block’ method you can abseil on a single strand and still retrieve your rope.
@@theinsiders-climbingtv5645 Fair comment. I still feel a grigri is more of a binary rappel device. It seems to open too quickly. An ATC is easier to control and it has more utility (ATC Guide to be more accurate). ATC guide doesn't bog down with grime like a grigri does.
Warning lights flashing everywhere taking Grigri apart.
Belay device is on belay.
Belay-ception
this is content for only 1 minute...
Who hurt you? :C
I don't own any equipment, nor do I climb. But if I ever do, i'm totally gonna use this trick to be safe.
How in the world did you find your way here?
@@rokronroff ummmm I think one of his climbing fails video's got recommended to me after I was watching another channel "howNOTtohighline" and he was doing break tests on some climbing bolts
TL;DR drill a little hole in your grigri
99% sure you just voided any warranty on the device. Just saying 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
discord link invalid :(
Thanks I’ll fix that now
Strange…it works for me 🤔
Worked fine for me too, even though on my computer I'm already a member, still accepted the invite via browser
@@BetaClimbers If i go the Discord first and then use the link it works! Strange that clicking the link itself doesn't. Anyway nice vid, sweet little trick!
@@AndyBizzzle maybe my discord wanted to update first :/
Why all the fuss? You will never drop your gear, but if you do you just have to know how to belay with a biner - munter hitch. Basic skills every serious climber knows
Been climbing for 16 years, never dropped my grigri 🙃
Knock on wood. Lol same here though, I just never fully take it off and if I do I’m death gripping it. 😂 I Bought a phone case with a tether on it because dropping that freaks me out.
@@BetaClimbers ...I need a phone tether....
@@Sublime_visions #climbingselfies
@@Sublime_visions I just have elastic cord tied to my pants, and use a mooring hitch around the phone's popsocket
@@eyescreamcake that's a really good idea :D thank you 👍
I have another trick... If you use an ATC you can't drop your Grigri seither! 😏
(I'm sure this blew your mind)
Great idea though, Josh!
Grigri for sport climbing, ATC for multipitch/alpine.
HARD disagree. If you mess up or get hit with a rock, your climber is dead without a grigri. We never climb without it
@@gooz0mbie grigris can’t handle twin ropes unless I’m mistaken. Most of my multipitch routes and alpine routes require 2x 50m ropes.
I’d love the safety features of the grigri, but I also love the simplicity of a guide plate.
You can use a mammut smart Alpine🤷♂️
@@alpinekiwi that’s fair
Why not drill two holes and go around the screw?
Why?
Ohhh dear god.... First
Typical TH-cam video. Took 9 minutes to explain how to tie a lanyard to your Grigri.
Click bait title man.
This isn't a guide thing, its a multi pitch / big wall thing. Tether your shit.
This "hack" has been around since the late 90's when the gri gri came out and definitely wasn't guides who first did it. You can also drill out the metal swing plate, and back plate to cut weight.
But get those views my dude 🤙The title sure helps I bet!
Lol yeah I’ll admit it’s a bit of a clickbaity title 😂 🤙🏻 but still, it’s a pretty good tip.
@@BetaClimbers It is 100% a great tip. I won’t take away from the fact it is a great piece of info I teach to anyone I bring up in the sport.