@Seriously? The FitnessGram Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The 20 meter pacer test will begin in 30 seconds. Line up at the start. The running speed starts slowly but gets faster each minute after you hear this signal bodeboop. A sing lap should be completed every time you hear this sound. ding Remember to run in a straight line and run as long as possible. The second time you fail to complete a lap before the sound, your test is over. The test will begin on the word start. On your mark. Get ready!… Start. ding
As a middle school stem teacher I had lathes, chop saws, welders and everything. I stopped teaching but I found out i had so many students become engineers because they loved my class. Definitely miss it.
And I would wager that one of the factors involved in your stopping teaching is students' very challenging attitudes and behaviors towards your learning and work expectations? Highly influenced by our societal attitude about how "school sucks". All the while we are doing and experiencing things that students around the world and in less resourced school districts would probably walk over glass in bare feet to experience and that are evidence of great learning that also has helped you discover your path... Don't want to play the teacher "martyr" card, but I love these guys and hope that they can just shift a few degrees towards any more sort of positive talk about school and away from the victim mentality argument that pervades our rhetoric around public education in the U.S. Not defending all the problems, just wish that students, parents, and society would seek clarity about the reality that creates the conditions "on the ground" and be careful what they condemn and why, because there is a ton of very important context that we're not representing in these diatribes.
@@ATONAL6173 nah dude. Student behavior isn't bad. You just have to care about them and they will care for you. I left because of administration overworking (65+ hour work week, mandatory attendance on weekends) and low pay. I worked 5 years and never made more than $28k per year, then another 4 years for $50k. Debt is a killer and when you self fund your classroom and tools it gets worse. Now I make more than before, less work, and more free time. Teaching is a hard profession when done right, but when you can't pay your teachers you will inevitably force them out.
@@wave221 Ah, that would be my second guess... Student behavior/engagement is not as simple as you state, but you're certainly not wrong. :) And I would argue that in our case, as "electives" teachers (I assume - or at least a classroom where students have the ability to be active learners, as opposed to more traditional academic settings), we have an easier row to hoe in that respect. I stand by my contention that our lack of optimism and growth-mindset when talking about educational system change is a major factor in our struggle and one of the only huge leverage points we actually have control over, and I call on our maker community to be careful about what they label as problems and to point the finger squarely at the primarily responsible and empowered parties - legislature and voters, 90% of teachers are desperately working to be part of the solution and are often labelled as the problem, unfortunately. Thanks for making an awesome environment for students, you know you made an impact! Someday some of your students will be on a relatively large podcast, as a result of some level of fame from their making skills, complaining about how their school sucked, but STEM was pretty cool. So I'll be the example I'm asking others to be and point that out as a positive. In fact, about every 20th comment, there's somebody talking about their school shop or STEM class that is doing things right.
@@ATONAL6173 of course the environment is going to be hard, you're working with kids and teens, why do you make it sound like that's a surprise, almost? i don't think blame should be placed on such young people, but the system. low pay and outdated curriculums and methodology do nothing but kill the drive to learn, what an awful thing. learning is the most beautiful thing we can do, and yet, it almost looks systematic how this drive is murdered at schools. i find most of these guys' complains to not be born out of a lack of optimism, but frustration at what i've just stated. underpaid teachers are just as much victims as the students are for the situation.
@@saaros I didn't think it was going to be a cakewalk and I don't think my comments fault students for things that are developmentally appropriate and expected. My concern, born of first-hand experience, is that the echo chamber that is modern society and the lightning propagation of ideas, trends, and feelings has become an incredibly difficult addition to any and all previous challenges and as we come into maturity in teaching, learning, and living with this relatively new set of conditions, I'm looking forward to the beginnings of growth past our decades long chant of, "U.S. public education sucks. It's a machine designed to squash individualism and joy.". As I've stated, there are elements of those statements that certainly feel true and valid, but I ask anyone who will listen to be careful how they complain, and what and who they complain about, then do something about it, or offer some sort of optimism or counter with some of the incredibly long list of positives and people who have dedicated themselves to make a difference despite the hordes that turn the other way when they experience the difficulties. This podcast, in particular was full of so very much generalized, unquestioned "school sucks" themes, with almost no acknowledgement of the complex reasons behind the bad experiences, the political reality that stops us from easily and effectively improving experiences and frankly an almost complete lack of acknowledgement of any of the positive experiences and outcomes, that students around the nation and around the world are jealous of. I'm simply asking them to apply an engineer's mindset to the problem, consult with experts, and be solution oriented and model a growth mindset. My comments about pay are in response to a student who was surprised that their teacher didn't read their entire essay. Simply provided as context in defense of a teacher who is essentially being accused of not working hard enough, because they cut a corner. Can't argue that it's not wrong, unprofessional, bad teaching, because it is, but from the other side of the desk, I can understand why and how those things happen. Context matters, but we do not often know or even speculate about the context around any particular teacher's actions or any particular aspect of our experience with the system. And the few negatives are so powerful in comparison with the vast amount of positives, especially in our hyper-communicative world, which these science evangelists have an opportunity to push back against.
I don't have the technical knowledge of the 4 guys sitting here, but I'm a carpenter and listening to them talk about woodworking puts a smile on my face. When they really get into what they do, I can't understand half of the technical speak. But then they start talking about a jointer, and how it's just a bunch of horizontal blades spinning REAL FAST to flatten/square wood, and I get it. I don't know, feels good.
wood boards are measured by their rough cut size, the ones you buy in the store have been planed on all sides to make them smooth. Before they are planed, the boards are the given size.
Literally hopped down here just to say that, yeah. If you buy rough cut lumber from a mill near you, if it's truly rough cut, it'll be real close to 2"x4".
Ahhh. That makes sense. Last month, my dad asked me to hand him a 2x4, and I was a bit confused. I saw wood, yes. But even I, with limited spacial awareness, could tell that the planks weren't two inches by four inches. :P
The safety concern with a drill press is work holding. If your material is small enough to clear the rear pillar, and isn't secured with a vice or jig, and if the bit you are using is wide enough to overcome your hold on the material, it can grab the material and turn it into a crappy helicopter. As you see, a lot of variables have to line up, but the first time it happens is hard to forget.
was drilling hole into small wood pieces making yo-yos at middle school workshop thing and finger slipped into drill bit. chewed up my thumb, didn't have thumb print for few months. not to bad overall tho, good times👍
Its definitely his social time. I get the feeling he doesn't get a chance to talk much with people outside of this stuff - he went on Trash Taste, and just answering some commonly asked questions sent him down a bunch of personal rabbitholes of things he hadn't thought about or talked about in a long time, if ever.
@@patricktsao9630 that's why I like so much that he's doing this podcast. But he seems to be fun to be around, and he's really smart; I think like you that he doesn't hang out with many people (outside of this chemistry TH-camr circle), but I just don't get why.
nigel is a good foil to a lot of the harsher/weirder takes the others have sometimes, like the whole "why teach history when you could teach welding" stuff lol. and his canadian perspective on that stuff is a nice reminder that things can def be better in the states
as a literature girl i'm always a little bit lost but i still really love this show! your conversations about how cool it is to build shit & how lame it is to read shit are completely flipped in my circles, but it's always nice to dip my toes into a world i'm not familiar with. and learn what a jointer is. fucking terrifying. one day i will be the home depot lesbian i have always wanted to be because of this podcast
Writing is a form of building, and it's only one step away from reading. In other words, all you gotta do to is stroll down to that home depot, buy a 2x4, then get back home and start writing! ... The 2x4 is for inspiration, obviously.
It's kinda crazy how important *_good_* teachers are. How we remember them far into our adult lives for doing their best to just help you and the other students, I guess that's both because of the impact they had on us as a young kid just wanting to learn things but also sadly, because of how rare they are.
In a history class I got really ballsy in a 3 page report, in the middle I addressed the teacher how skeptical I was that he would read this far. He Never talked to me about it, and I passed the class fine.
Want teachers to do a better job? Give them the time needed to be the educators we expect them to be. But nobody wants to pay for that. Experts' time is expensive. Just about everywhere else in life, we all expect to pay well for experts' time. (I think I remember these very creators talking about how they would simply refuse to work for less pay than they deserve...we've been there too, as teachers, but boy does it come at a price. Nobody likes striking teachers for very long. And when we cut necessary corners to try and protect our bottoms lines, we're being unethical, counter-productive, and lazy.) I cannot excuse any unethical behavior, because that is certainly unethical to not read the paper in its entirety, but I can certainly understand the context which brought about that decision. We shouldn't be surprised that we are forced to cut corners! If you were to calculate the amount of time we have to spend on each student... just don't. It's depressing. And the usual response is, "Wow, I really appreciate all the hard work you're doing! Here's an apple. (literally happens.) Here's a bunch of donuts. (I don't want to sound ungrateful, I know I do, but it's YT comments and I'm ranting. So rant I shall. After teaching for 16 years, I get to.) Here's a McDonald's gift card. Here's the inflation-adjustment to your salary schedule that the voters approved 10 years ago that the legislature froze that does nothing to address the lost income of the last 10 years. Let's have you spend 30 minutes of your staff meeting practicing self-soothing skills, hug yourself, rub your arms. It will help. Hey everybody, make sure and prioritize your mental health and self-care! Oh, I'm sorry you feel like you don't have enough time to do the job you, your profession, your students, and your parents expect - here are some ways you can, like, be more efficient or something. Or here's a strategy that works for this teacher, but is impossible in your situation. Oh, and that common planning time that your colleagues get, yeah, we can't give you that. Sorry different department, different funding." Now, if I spend extra time grading, planning, cleaning, inventorying, communicating, scheming, coaching...I GET PAID LESS. The system for us is, "Here's a lump sum of money beyond your yearly salary for the entire year for all the 'extra' you do" I am keeping track of all the extra hours beyond my contract just for grinsies this year. I make about $61 per hour for my regular pay. My "extra" rate is down to $33 at this point, and it's not even half way through the year. All those extra hours to carefully read your paper or listen to your playing test and help you become a better musician are going to be $15 per hour by the end of the year. I might as well work just about anywhere else, it feels like sometimes. Ok. I love my job, I love my job. Remind myself. Say the mantra. Grass isn't greener anywhere else. I have pretty high job security and a lot of positives that many people envy, I shouldn't be ungrateful. It's just a job. Not every parent is like that. 99% of people get it and appreciate the situation with abounding grace... Breathe.... I hated it for a good 6-7 years and wanted out pretty desperately. Still do kinda. But the grass is not greener on the other side, and I am extremely, extremely, incredibly fortunate to be a valued professional in a union job, with 100's of students and parents who get it and appreciate me with all their hearts and vote yes on every education issue they can without question. I am 16 years in, so I make a living wage that I can somewhat comfortably support my family with. I have decent benefits, a retirement system that is ok, and a lot of time "off", but reminder, we don't get paid for all that. (And before anybody says it...as if anybody will read this....the argument that a parent (with a "reagan.com" email address) made that our retirement and benefits should be included in our "actual" compensation and that teachers are paid "way more" than we say, (Oh, I read on the internet that teachers are actually paid a national average of 110K! And they are lizard people!) has some merit, but I don't know that any other profession is criticized or compared that way. Saying that we should include the "true cost" of my medical benefits and retirement contributions when calculating my "real" salary is unfair, I think. We do talk about benefits packages when discussing one firm or another, or one industry or another, but when you say, "This person makes 60K and this person makes 110K for doing a similar job", benefits don't really enter into that, even if they are better at one place, than another. Oh, your company has this cool free meal chef and cafeteria thing? But the other job is offering better money. Hmmm....do I want salary or celery? (gross oversimplification, but the point stands, I believe) Our benefits are in large part due to the fact that we negotiate with health-care providers in a GIGANTIC pool of workers, as a unit, so we benefit from sheer scale. Only if there were a way for the entire nation to negotiate with healthcare industry as a GIGANTIC unit of "United" people instead of as individuals and relatively small groups. Maybe we could get a better deal and not be the laughing stock of the world for having a shameful healthcare system....Man, I'm really saving the world with this YT comment rant. I should join Reddit and really make a difference.) We are hourly workers, most definitely. And the more we work, the less we get paid. The district pays us for 180-some days of work and they are 7.5 hour days. And reminder, there's no such thing as overtime. You want to work more? Ok, yeah, we have this Professional Responsibility Stipend (or Time Responsibilty Incentive) that we'll pay you on top of your salary, but your hourly rate for that work will be laughable by the end of the year. Again, the more you work, the less you get paid. We simply can't trust teachers to say that they've put in these extra hours and pay them time and a half for it like almost every other hourly worker, they'll probably make it up and pad the hours anyways, their jobs are pretty easy anyways...and they love it, right? They should just work smarter, not harder, duh. Dangit, I can't even end on a positive note. And I'm a music teacher. On the whole, love my job, really love my students and most of my parents, and a lot of my administartors are awesome. I'm lucky to work in the state I'm in, I teach a subject that is usually pretty fun and students' attitudes are pretty good. But please everybody, be careful about how you complain and what you complain about, there's a lot that you might not know that goes into every less than optimal outcome when it comes to public education in the U.S.
@@chekhov-and-his-gun It's an important and complicated issue, which I'm extremely passionate about and I enjoy using language to its fullest extent. -Captain Mega-Rant
@@cmmartti Thanks very much! I don't think I caught that one. I'm aware she's a teacher and agree that there are a few moments where they're not seriously criticising the teachers, but my comments arise from the large quantity of really negative takes, when there are so many glaring positives that they could and, I think, should be acknowledging, plus a whole bunch of context that is missing from an educator's perspective about the current state of education compared to their experience and the vast and complex variability in the sheer scale of our large system. I'm calling for them to apply their engineering mindsets to the problem and be more accurate and solution-oriented, essentially.
2x4 comes smaller because the wood is rough cut as a 2x4 and then they plane it down roughly 1/4 inch on each side so its more smooth and more usable and helps get rid of any larger defects in the wood, same thing goes for other cut sizes although the exact amount the plane changes on each cut and might be different between mills
They're the size they are because it's the minimum legal definition for dimensional lumber. Every mill makes them the legal minimum to maximize their margin and reduce their waste. I'd bitch that I wasn't getting my money's worth but: 1. It saves trees a little bit. At least, it maximizes their yield. 2. As every mill does it, all the blueprints are tailored around the legal minimum definition of a 2x4. Modern mills ship garbage. They grade the lumber after it's cut and don't avoid defects in the lumber so much as they're aware of lumber defects, sell that stuff as "standard grade" and mark up the defect-free stuff as "premium". You can still buy rough-cut, full-size lumber, and I've seen houses built recently where the builder went all-out and built it using old-school blocking and cross-tie construction. It's a thing of beauty. It also doubles the cost of the house. Not just because of the material or the labor, but the amount of re-work from bringing on framers who are so trained to use the smaller lumber that there's inevitable mistakes made with things like window casements and such.
Lmfao, I had a friend argue with me once that cursive was important for school, but learning to read a clock wasn't. My thoughts were essentially that while we don't use analog clocks much in day to day, it's essentially a way to teach kids both about how the passage of time works (because otherwise an hour just magically ends at 60, and a day ends after two twelve hours lol) as well as relating to helping kids understand angles and stuff, which is incredibly important for geometry, trigonometry, and calculus. He literally never gave a reason for why cursive was good. Even people who say stuff like cursive is faster, it's like, a) only if you're really good at it, and b) only if your penmanship is good enough AND the person can even read cursive to begin with lol.
as a current college student, outside of my signature i use cursive almost once a year. meanwhile, analog clocks are something you see almost once a day in classrooms, lol.
I learned both in grade 2 or 3 and while knowing how to read cursive is helpful on occasion like if I'm looking through documents but analog clocks are still everywhere, like uni classrooms, the break room at work, as someone who works in retail too I can tell you even the cheaper watches and alarm clocks are analog not digital
@@irissupercoolsy Cursive is a particular style of handwriting where all the letters are joined together. Most people (who speak English at least) write in a "print" style, where letters are separated. Print style is easier to write and read imo. The only people who still use cursive are old people
You can see most of the shop I grew-up in at a traditional arts school call John Campbell, Virginia or thereabouts. Never been. Stepfather donated it when his vision failed. He was a tool and die maker, a blacksmith, coppersmith, tinsmith. Lathes, power hammers and 2 forges. Giant shears and brakes. All the tongs.. so like 60 pairs. I was running piecework like drilling pipe hawks out in curly maple or drilling and tapping kits for steam engines when I was 12. My early years, 3-12 were spent shooting skeet and reloading. I got the full edgimakation. I can't 3d print like y'all, best I've got is a bullpup laminated walnut sling bow with a 240 pound draw that pushes 400gr. arrows kinda fast. Put your heads together and make a winter sling bow that has a heater. They don't work when it gets too cold, rubber "freezes" after the stretch and won't retract till you heat it again.
I grew up in Washington, and in my highschool experience is extremely similar to William's and Michaels. Teachers "holistically grading" papers, learning the absolute b.s. that the public school system is, spamming word counts with white font. It's actually kinda nostalgic listening to this conversation.
Oh my god, Michael's indoor vs outdoor school question really hit me. I knew exactly what he meant. I lived in Hawaii until 3rd grade, and when I started school outside of Hawaii, I said I liked how we had indoor hallways.
I didn't know how I didn't connect the dots when the highschools in Disney Channel/Nickelodean tv shows/movies were formatted completely differently from the schools I went to.
As a former high school teacher this episode was both so interesting and painful to listen to 😂. I think most teachers I worked with recognize that the content we are told to teach doesn’t apply to our current society, but they mean well. Especially in public school, it takes so much time and effort to change things and being constantly underpaid and overstretched is tough. Good episode though, great conversation!
I live in an area with a large amish population, and I also worked for a contractor previously! We regularly got "rough cut" lumber from amish mills that we genuinely 2"x4" or whatever given dimension. They said that they cut with measurements to the outside of the cut, accounting for the width of the saw blades, where "english" mills cut the wood directly on the measurement and take no accommodation for the blade width, leaving boards smaller. Just another story/theory, thought i'd share!
Michael talking about ordering rails from China. A tip for anyone building stuff, use McMaster Carr to buy everything. The shipping is so fast and everything is great quality
I went through the child court system. Proved how much of a failure the system is when I was 14. Kid next to my locker at school had his stuff stolen, and the police lied and said they had footage of me taking everything he had. They slapped me with Felony 2 Theft because he had a $250 calculator. I went to child court, and they slapped me with maximum punishment, which is just public service and then I had to be on the court system for a year. I will never forget every single adult in my life telling me that I am a liar and I should just admit that I stole. I will never forget the police lying to me about the footage they had.
With all dimensional lumber (2x4, 2x6, 2x8, etc) the measurements are the rough cut dimension of the lumber from the tree. Then it is passed through a planer to smooth out the sides and make every board uniform. This takes about 1/4 inch from each side. You can still get 2x4 rough cut lumber, just not from Home Depot, Lowes, Ace, etc.
Boat builder here. 2x4s are cut from logs at 2" by 4", then sent to a lumber factory where they are straightened (joined) and then rounded corners so they splinter less. They're called 2x4s because you're paying for the raw 2"x4" piece + processing. If you want to see a really dangerous woodworking machine, look up a shaper, it's like a joiner but more open of a spinning blade. Good luck boys
I took woodshop the two years I could in middle school (6th grade we had rotating electives each few weeks and one of them was woodshop), and my teacher was good enough that I don't remember anyone having any issues with any of the machines, and we had a normal table saw, a normal lathe, two or three band saws, and a few other machines. He just always drilled safety into us and would call out anyone who wasn't paying attention or didn't follow procedure. He told us many a stories of going to physical therapy (athletic injury lol) and seeing carpenters with missing fingers, also knowing friends who have lost digits, whole hands, even one or two that died in a shop accident.
It's actually a weirdly profitable industry. Older houses that get demoed will have people coming by to get the old wood because it's true dimensions. Some cities have laws that houses before a certain date have to be recycled almost entirely. I believe Destin from Smarter Every Day has a video on reclaiming a wood beam for his friend's house. They go to a whole wood shop dedicated to reclaimed lumber.
And it's rough lumber, correct? Planed lumber is 1.5"×3.5" Rough lumber used to be 2"x4" Planed lumber demand got the rough cut 2"x4" re-specified closer to the finished dimension because planing off a 1/4" per side is a waste of material Now we rough cut as close to finished dimension as we can without the kiln shrinking the fibre too much for the planer leave a proper finish. (I used to feed a planer in a stud mill. We made 2x4,1x4,2x3,1x3 and 2x6 up to 8' long)
as a mech engineer undergrad who's also rlly into lit and poetry and has a bunch of friends who are lit majors / want to be teachers in that space, it's a little hard to hear them dunking on english analysis classes like that
The way I understand 2x4s is that they are cut at the 2x4 dimensions and after drying out they are then planed down to the "store size" so you get the smooth finish with the rounded edges. Take that as you wish lol. Great episode
I’m studying to be a Design & Tech teacher In Australia. that’s using cad, welding with mig, tig and MMA, 3d printing, laser cutting, engineering robotics, metalwork, including milling, lathe , cold saws. Woodwork has bandsaws, lathes, disk sanders, chop saws, drill press ect. Some schools even have forges to do metal casting and black smithing. We build electric “cars”(enclosed go carts). Submersible drones with robot claws, robot garden beds. From year 7(kid age of 12) to graduating. It’s crazy you guys don’t do anything like that, it’s like what half the population will end up doing for work. It is a bit fucken stressful at times though if you have some derp kids that want to poke their fingers in everything and shit like that. And a class of 20-30, 15 year olds with 6 lathes running a milling machine and grinders all the same time with 1 teacher can be a bit worrying. But honestly, bad things hardly ever happen. Like a kid lost a finger in a school in the city I live (Perth) and it was news worthy. Its mostly minor burns from welding, small cuts from chisels and sharp metal and stuff like that. Big machines are dangerous enough that even kids don’t really fuck around and be stupid with them.
Drill presses can can be dangerous cause kids are little weaklings so they’ll be drilling a bar or something and it’ll get caught in the bit and spin around hell fast.
the segment about getting in trouble for making dumb things rings home for me. i made multiple pvc bows while my parents were not home. luckily my stepdad is a mechanic by trade and he was handy so we had an entire garage full of tools. just some 3/4 pvc, paracord, some dowel rods and duct tape for the fletchings (all were already in the garage from other projects lmao). we lived on a big farm (not farmers) and i would always get caught in our field shooting arrows and my parents would get so pissed everytime haha. good times.
I had a woodshop teacher in highschool who gave me a 10/10 on a project, I was so thrilled because honestly I had lost all enthusiasm for school but this was giving me a boost. My friends didn't believe me so I took them with me to see that teacher. He had written my 10/10 on the wrong kids workbook, so he "re evaluated" my work and gave me a 7/10. I was done.
My family owns and runs a planing mill, saws take a bit of wood away every time you cut and a lot of the time when you buy wood from home depot its been processed by a planer which takes even more wood away
I've always assumed 2x4 is that way because they use that wood for framing, which you add drywall. Three highschools I went to in Florida were open campus, though they all were fenced off. I think one of those schools which was older had a car mechanics class. I was in Utah for my senior year, they had a metals class, wood, pottery, stamp making, and a finance class, last of which was required to graduate. I had my first experience welding there, I was terrified, though I do it as a living now. That school was one building, and no fence cage. I also have experienced lunch duty living in Utah when I was in 4th grade (that school year was hell, I went to 4 different schools, and moved to Florida, I left a fencing club in utah for mediocrity) Screw lovebugs! I hate them, used to wack them with a stick after moving there, which would attract more. Love bug season was horrible if you boated on the gulf side (wind blows them out over the water by the hundreds of thousands)
2x4's are cut green/wet to 2 inches by 4 inches. Then they're put in a kiln and dried. And then after it's dried, they're planed square and the corners are rounded. It's a combination of the drying and the planing. The planing isn't technically necessary, but it allows for a more standardized size (as some will shrink more than others, even depending on distance from the heartwood of the tree) as well as being able to fix slight warping issues (meaning more of the wood will pass their quality control and be sellable). The corner rounding is so that there's less splintering. And it's really annoying; there's no good technical reason they can't make the finished dimensions actually/exactly 2 inches by 4 inches. It's just so imbedded into the industry now that it'd be a nightmare to change.
@@AllTheArtsy I'd say it's naïve to think working hard is enough to have the future that you want, specially in a world as unjust and unequal as the one we live in.
@@AllTheArtsy no, we have the revolution first, then we take 50% of the wealth the billionaires and mega corporations have and give it to the 90% with the least amount of money. Then we lie down for a bit.
I believe 2x4s are rough cut to those dimensions but milled flat and lose 1/4" from each dimension (1.75x3.75). That's nominal vs actual dimensions of lumber Larger nominal dimensions lose more in the milling
Alright so *whatever* Michae is building, he is SO CLOSE to killing someone. The way they've talked this one up, if he goes 1, 2 steps *max* bigger, someone is dying.
@Blair he's not trolling, some people around the 700 lbs mark can't fit in standard mri machines. Gotta have specialized vehicles to pick them up as well
My highschool shop teacher was great. He developed an advanced shop class for students who really did well and enjoyed woodshop, he made a 2 hour morning class for furniture building. He let us design, draw and build our own full furniture projects. I CA designed and built my own design table, got industrial arts student of the year for it. Now I own my own wood working business.
It’s no coincidence that Nigel, as a Canadian, appreciates education for its basic value in raising people up and helping them to critically evaluate a wide range of human activities, while Will and the other US guys can’t conceive of education beyond its role as a trade school.
I had a similar class to the one Nigel was describing, where it was all about skepticism. Was really cool and helpful in life, probably one of my favorite classes at college
Info about modern mines shafts. They have ladders next to the shaft too (info from my miner friend): you have ladders that go up 9m each, ladders are separated by rest points, each ladder is leaned in about 30 degrees. Maintenance team have to check the ladders every year, climbing down 960m takes around 1,5h climbing up 320m takes around 45min but no one is stupid enough to go up all the way.
The difference between pipe and tube is the inner vs outer diameter respectively. As for NPT, the distinguishing factor is the outer diameter increases from start to end of thread as well as the individual thread thickness increases but not the pitch.
The wood thing is for sheathing and drywall so it finishes out at even-ish increments. You use exterior sheathing at a half inch, and the 2x4 plus the exterior sheathing equals 4 in
@@VeryUnemployed That is fair & reasonable. Edit: Still though, feels like that only answers why it has its current measurement, not why it's called a 2x4. Also, I think, drywall and that sheeting sometimes vary in thickness. Also(2) while the size of the board would need to be consistent, I don't get why 4" would be the magic number for total wall thickness. I guess it just feels like that answer is rationalized backwards in some way.
What do you mean? I don't agree completely with him but in the beginning he mentioned how dog/underfunded the Florida education system was so i makes sense he had an awful experience. My Texas education wasn't that far off haha Edit: except for the "pay teachers less" joke/comment haha, my sister's a teacher and I've seen her come home crying multiple times
@@CyanAnn The education system in America isn’t what it should be and I agree with him 100%. But the way he talks about it, he makes it seem like it’s this insanely corrupt system that is set up solely to put kids in college which is just not the case at all. Personally, I went to a Title 1 school, which means that at least 40% of student’s families lived below the poverty line. We had a completely free vocational school that taught students trades like carpentry, welding, mechanics, nursing, cosmetology, agricultural science, etc. With a majority of those topics, students usually end up with a license or the skills needed to start an apprenticeship (not to mention general knowledge and connections). School districts understand when the people who live in an area cannot afford college and try to supplement students with other options. For impoverished students who want to go to college, academic advisors always recommend going to a community college for the first two years of a bachelor’s degree, work towards scholarships, then transfer to a university (in my area, our community college is free). Career-readiness right out of high school was always a huge deal in my district, they understand that college is not a reality for some of these kids but deeply encourage them to find a skill set that will benefit them. Again, speaking personally, my high school had personal finance, entrepreneurship, and administrative assistance courses available, even for a school with 500 students. I also believe that school is really what you make of it. Naturally, kids who are unmotivated will not make good grades. William is criticizing the school work itself, not what makes kids unmotivated. If a student is unsure about their future or they feel discouraged, it is probably not because they have to analyze a poem in English class. Even so, who cares if you have to read Romeo and Juliet if it brings you that much closer to achieving your goals? If you couldn’t tell, I really enjoyed school and I think I’ll leave it at that (but I could go on forever).
My understanding is that the 2*4 has slowly shrunk down as the material became "engineered better" (whatever thats supposed to mean) and as a way to cut costs. They slowly started making them smaller and smaller and ultimately landed on a half inch being the most they could remove in either direction before it no longer behaved structurally like a 2*4. I don't know that theres a lot of consensus on that though.
Dude Michael is living the life. I wish I didn't have a 9-5 and I could just work on passion projects all day everyday. I have a ton of things I want to learn and work on, I feel like I'd never get bored.
in elementary school in south florida we were sent to run a bubble economy in the guise of a field trip. we were divided in groups for things like stores, restaurants, a bank etc. I still believe that experience when I was that young, was absolutely invaluable.
Michael Reeves perfectly describes woodworking: Wood isn't straight, so I had to use a planer and a jointer and it took me like 5-6 days. Actually fucking accurate.
900 foot vertical wooden ladder would be terrifying. I would definitely take the elevator. 45min one way of uncertain fear compared to hours of climbing.
I grew up with basically every woodworking tool in my garage, so I skipped the stage of “wow, I can make stuff” entirely. I just have forged a bottle opener with a mahogany handle for a Christmas gift using my great grandfather’s anvil.
My middle school actually had a welding station for tech class. Tech class was essentially wood shop + CAD + welding. It was actually super cool and I'm glad I had the opportunity to do that. I wish I could've done it for more than just one year
Part of the problem with Shakespeare in particular is that the lines need to be read in a certain way to flow well. His plays were all written as plays, and weren't intended to be read as prose. Once the pacing clicks with you, his plays become a lot more readable. Unfortunately, many english teachers either aren't aware of this or don't teach it to their students for whatever reason, so many hate Shakespeare's writing as a result. Most of my good english teachers would have us watch the actual plays in addition to reading them, and they were always much more entertaining that way.
Two-by-fours are undersized 1.5"x3.5" to increase profit and pass the cost of processing on to the consumer. The average saw blades at the sawmillis about .25" with four sides to a board. And when it comes to piping pipe is measured in inside diameter/ID and tubing is measured in outside diameter/OD. This could vary with a schedule aka wall thickness but for example a length of half inch hard pipe would measure @ half inch ID interior diameter same as a 5/8 copper tubing is half inch ID
What I was told by my stagecraft professor was that 2x4s used to be 2x4, but because of the difference in how we cut and plane wood, about a half inch each way gets cut off. So you could get an actual 2 foot by 4 foot piece of wood straight from an old saw mill, but not a modern one
I guess Michae doesn't take any L's.
michae is the plural of michael
@qasqer1004 Thats... the joke.
@@snowed08 take a lookie at the profile picture
@@circumferenced Ok?
@@snowed08 oh man! You took that bait hook line and sinker!
My favourite podcast starring Willia, Nige, Kevi, and Michae
Be careful saying Nige out loud
@Seriously? r/whooosh
@Seriously? The FitnessGram Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The 20 meter pacer test will begin in 30 seconds. Line up at the start. The running speed starts slowly but gets faster each minute after you hear this signal bodeboop. A sing lap should be completed every time you hear this sound. ding Remember to run in a straight line and run as long as possible. The second time you fail to complete a lap before the sound, your test is over. The test will begin on the word start. On your mark. Get ready!… Start. ding
@@the_butsmuts you didnt get the joke did you
@@the_butsmuts theirs was also a joke, look at their profile picture
I feel Reeves and Nigel would make the perfect storm of insane content if they worked together lol
holy shit those two could beat elon musk to mars if you gave them enough money
^^
@@Xenibalt they would greatly injure millions and themselves in the process
Once my friend saw me watching one of Nigel’s videos and went “he remind me of this other guy you might like!” And the other guy was Michae.
I disagree
As a middle school stem teacher I had lathes, chop saws, welders and everything.
I stopped teaching but I found out i had so many students become engineers because they loved my class.
Definitely miss it.
And I would wager that one of the factors involved in your stopping teaching is students' very challenging attitudes and behaviors towards your learning and work expectations? Highly influenced by our societal attitude about how "school sucks". All the while we are doing and experiencing things that students around the world and in less resourced school districts would probably walk over glass in bare feet to experience and that are evidence of great learning that also has helped you discover your path... Don't want to play the teacher "martyr" card, but I love these guys and hope that they can just shift a few degrees towards any more sort of positive talk about school and away from the victim mentality argument that pervades our rhetoric around public education in the U.S. Not defending all the problems, just wish that students, parents, and society would seek clarity about the reality that creates the conditions "on the ground" and be careful what they condemn and why, because there is a ton of very important context that we're not representing in these diatribes.
@@ATONAL6173 nah dude. Student behavior isn't bad. You just have to care about them and they will care for you.
I left because of administration overworking (65+ hour work week, mandatory attendance on weekends) and low pay. I worked 5 years and never made more than $28k per year, then another 4 years for $50k.
Debt is a killer and when you self fund your classroom and tools it gets worse. Now I make more than before, less work, and more free time.
Teaching is a hard profession when done right, but when you can't pay your teachers you will inevitably force them out.
@@wave221 Ah, that would be my second guess... Student behavior/engagement is not as simple as you state, but you're certainly not wrong. :) And I would argue that in our case, as "electives" teachers (I assume - or at least a classroom where students have the ability to be active learners, as opposed to more traditional academic settings), we have an easier row to hoe in that respect. I stand by my contention that our lack of optimism and growth-mindset when talking about educational system change is a major factor in our struggle and one of the only huge leverage points we actually have control over, and I call on our maker community to be careful about what they label as problems and to point the finger squarely at the primarily responsible and empowered parties - legislature and voters, 90% of teachers are desperately working to be part of the solution and are often labelled as the problem, unfortunately. Thanks for making an awesome environment for students, you know you made an impact! Someday some of your students will be on a relatively large podcast, as a result of some level of fame from their making skills, complaining about how their school sucked, but STEM was pretty cool. So I'll be the example I'm asking others to be and point that out as a positive. In fact, about every 20th comment, there's somebody talking about their school shop or STEM class that is doing things right.
@@ATONAL6173 of course the environment is going to be hard, you're working with kids and teens, why do you make it sound like that's a surprise, almost? i don't think blame should be placed on such young people, but the system. low pay and outdated curriculums and methodology do nothing but kill the drive to learn, what an awful thing. learning is the most beautiful thing we can do, and yet, it almost looks systematic how this drive is murdered at schools. i find most of these guys' complains to not be born out of a lack of optimism, but frustration at what i've just stated.
underpaid teachers are just as much victims as the students are for the situation.
@@saaros I didn't think it was going to be a cakewalk and I don't think my comments fault students for things that are developmentally appropriate and expected. My concern, born of first-hand experience, is that the echo chamber that is modern society and the lightning propagation of ideas, trends, and feelings has become an incredibly difficult addition to any and all previous challenges and as we come into maturity in teaching, learning, and living with this relatively new set of conditions, I'm looking forward to the beginnings of growth past our decades long chant of, "U.S. public education sucks. It's a machine designed to squash individualism and joy.". As I've stated, there are elements of those statements that certainly feel true and valid, but I ask anyone who will listen to be careful how they complain, and what and who they complain about, then do something about it, or offer some sort of optimism or counter with some of the incredibly long list of positives and people who have dedicated themselves to make a difference despite the hordes that turn the other way when they experience the difficulties. This podcast, in particular was full of so very much generalized, unquestioned "school sucks" themes, with almost no acknowledgement of the complex reasons behind the bad experiences, the political reality that stops us from easily and effectively improving experiences and frankly an almost complete lack of acknowledgement of any of the positive experiences and outcomes, that students around the nation and around the world are jealous of. I'm simply asking them to apply an engineer's mindset to the problem, consult with experts, and be solution oriented and model a growth mindset. My comments about pay are in response to a student who was surprised that their teacher didn't read their entire essay. Simply provided as context in defense of a teacher who is essentially being accused of not working hard enough, because they cut a corner. Can't argue that it's not wrong, unprofessional, bad teaching, because it is, but from the other side of the desk, I can understand why and how those things happen. Context matters, but we do not often know or even speculate about the context around any particular teacher's actions or any particular aspect of our experience with the system. And the few negatives are so powerful in comparison with the vast amount of positives, especially in our hyper-communicative world, which these science evangelists have an opportunity to push back against.
I just love the juxtaposition of unhinged, swearing Michael next to the polite, slightly shy Nigel.
My brain melted listening to them discuss nominal dimensions. I listen to this podcast to keep my brain nice and smooth.
They didn't say anything that's incorrect.
Nigel: makes jokes
Everyone: *in their own world not getting them*
William: wait a minute-
Nigel: that was the joke!!
Who is nigel?
You're right, I'm sorry guys, I meant to say Nige* 😭
@@Alkatross the cute guy
@@Alkatross Nilered’s real name is Nigel
@@ViperXPizzel who is nilered, nigel is nileblue lol
Lol when Nigel said "yeah why don't you post anything?" The first time that was CLEARLY a joke.
I love how he seems confused by not getting immediately called out for it.
I IMMEDIATELY got it haha
I don't have the technical knowledge of the 4 guys sitting here, but I'm a carpenter and listening to them talk about woodworking puts a smile on my face. When they really get into what they do, I can't understand half of the technical speak. But then they start talking about a jointer, and how it's just a bunch of horizontal blades spinning REAL FAST to flatten/square wood, and I get it. I don't know, feels good.
feelsgoodman
Mick is my fav guest this far!
sad to not have mlek as a host on the pod
yeah i wish miel was a host
@@MochaFur1 Makl Is just the best youtuber
wood boards are measured by their rough cut size, the ones you buy in the store have been planed on all sides to make them smooth. Before they are planed, the boards are the given size.
Literally hopped down here just to say that, yeah. If you buy rough cut lumber from a mill near you, if it's truly rough cut, it'll be real close to 2"x4".
Ahhh. That makes sense.
Last month, my dad asked me to hand him a 2x4, and I was a bit confused. I saw wood, yes. But even I, with limited spacial awareness, could tell that the planks weren't two inches by four inches. :P
High schools be like "Wood shop is too dangerous. Join the football team."
Imagine my disappointment at no new Michae video...
Same!
I was so disappointed, WHERE IS IT MICHAEjjj
That means it's coming soon... right?! RIGHT?
@@Aplexity we can only hope
Coming soon in 2024:
The safety concern with a drill press is work holding. If your material is small enough to clear the rear pillar, and isn't secured with a vice or jig, and if the bit you are using is wide enough to overcome your hold on the material, it can grab the material and turn it into a crappy helicopter. As you see, a lot of variables have to line up, but the first time it happens is hard to forget.
And the part spinning is at torso height
was drilling hole into small wood pieces making yo-yos at middle school workshop thing and finger slipped into drill bit. chewed up my thumb, didn't have thumb print for few months. not to bad overall tho, good times👍
Sometimes I feel like Nigel is just there to "do something" but I'm glad Will convinced him to do the podcast and stay in it. Those two are just
I think he just likes hanging out with his friends.
Its definitely his social time. I get the feeling he doesn't get a chance to talk much with people outside of this stuff - he went on Trash Taste, and just answering some commonly asked questions sent him down a bunch of personal rabbitholes of things he hadn't thought about or talked about in a long time, if ever.
@@patricktsao9630 that's why I like so much that he's doing this podcast. But he seems to be fun to be around, and he's really smart; I think like you that he doesn't hang out with many people (outside of this chemistry TH-camr circle), but I just don't get why.
i'm down with nigel just hanging out
nigel is a good foil to a lot of the harsher/weirder takes the others have sometimes, like the whole "why teach history when you could teach welding" stuff lol. and his canadian perspective on that stuff is a nice reminder that things can def be better in the states
as a literature girl i'm always a little bit lost but i still really love this show! your conversations about how cool it is to build shit & how lame it is to read shit are completely flipped in my circles, but it's always nice to dip my toes into a world i'm not familiar with. and learn what a jointer is. fucking terrifying. one day i will be the home depot lesbian i have always wanted to be because of this podcast
Writing is a form of building, and it's only one step away from reading. In other words, all you gotta do to is stroll down to that home depot, buy a 2x4, then get back home and start writing!
... The 2x4 is for inspiration, obviously.
@@BalthorYT thanks! i've always wanted to try. i'm thinking about doing a small project over christmas to build confidence : )
A person doesn't have to be anything more than a person wanting to do something
It's kinda crazy how important *_good_* teachers are. How we remember them far into our adult lives for doing their best to just help you and the other students, I guess that's both because of the impact they had on us as a young kid just wanting to learn things but also sadly, because of how rare they are.
In a history class I got really ballsy in a 3 page report, in the middle I addressed the teacher how skeptical I was that he would read this far. He Never talked to me about it, and I passed the class fine.
I....need to try that .
Want teachers to do a better job? Give them the time needed to be the educators we expect them to be. But nobody wants to pay for that. Experts' time is expensive. Just about everywhere else in life, we all expect to pay well for experts' time. (I think I remember these very creators talking about how they would simply refuse to work for less pay than they deserve...we've been there too, as teachers, but boy does it come at a price. Nobody likes striking teachers for very long. And when we cut necessary corners to try and protect our bottoms lines, we're being unethical, counter-productive, and lazy.)
I cannot excuse any unethical behavior, because that is certainly unethical to not read the paper in its entirety, but I can certainly understand the context which brought about that decision. We shouldn't be surprised that we are forced to cut corners! If you were to calculate the amount of time we have to spend on each student... just don't. It's depressing.
And the usual response is, "Wow, I really appreciate all the hard work you're doing! Here's an apple. (literally happens.) Here's a bunch of donuts. (I don't want to sound ungrateful, I know I do, but it's YT comments and I'm ranting. So rant I shall. After teaching for 16 years, I get to.) Here's a McDonald's gift card. Here's the inflation-adjustment to your salary schedule that the voters approved 10 years ago that the legislature froze that does nothing to address the lost income of the last 10 years. Let's have you spend 30 minutes of your staff meeting practicing self-soothing skills, hug yourself, rub your arms. It will help. Hey everybody, make sure and prioritize your mental health and self-care! Oh, I'm sorry you feel like you don't have enough time to do the job you, your profession, your students, and your parents expect - here are some ways you can, like, be more efficient or something. Or here's a strategy that works for this teacher, but is impossible in your situation. Oh, and that common planning time that your colleagues get, yeah, we can't give you that. Sorry different department, different funding."
Now, if I spend extra time grading, planning, cleaning, inventorying, communicating, scheming, coaching...I GET PAID LESS. The system for us is, "Here's a lump sum of money beyond your yearly salary for the entire year for all the 'extra' you do" I am keeping track of all the extra hours beyond my contract just for grinsies this year. I make about $61 per hour for my regular pay. My "extra" rate is down to $33 at this point, and it's not even half way through the year. All those extra hours to carefully read your paper or listen to your playing test and help you become a better musician are going to be $15 per hour by the end of the year. I might as well work just about anywhere else, it feels like sometimes.
Ok. I love my job, I love my job. Remind myself. Say the mantra. Grass isn't greener anywhere else. I have pretty high job security and a lot of positives that many people envy, I shouldn't be ungrateful. It's just a job. Not every parent is like that. 99% of people get it and appreciate the situation with abounding grace... Breathe.... I hated it for a good 6-7 years and wanted out pretty desperately. Still do kinda. But the grass is not greener on the other side, and I am extremely, extremely, incredibly fortunate to be a valued professional in a union job, with 100's of students and parents who get it and appreciate me with all their hearts and vote yes on every education issue they can without question. I am 16 years in, so I make a living wage that I can somewhat comfortably support my family with. I have decent benefits, a retirement system that is ok, and a lot of time "off", but reminder, we don't get paid for all that.
(And before anybody says it...as if anybody will read this....the argument that a parent (with a "reagan.com" email address) made that our retirement and benefits should be included in our "actual" compensation and that teachers are paid "way more" than we say, (Oh, I read on the internet that teachers are actually paid a national average of 110K! And they are lizard people!) has some merit, but I don't know that any other profession is criticized or compared that way. Saying that we should include the "true cost" of my medical benefits and retirement contributions when calculating my "real" salary is unfair, I think. We do talk about benefits packages when discussing one firm or another, or one industry or another, but when you say, "This person makes 60K and this person makes 110K for doing a similar job", benefits don't really enter into that, even if they are better at one place, than another. Oh, your company has this cool free meal chef and cafeteria thing? But the other job is offering better money. Hmmm....do I want salary or celery? (gross oversimplification, but the point stands, I believe) Our benefits are in large part due to the fact that we negotiate with health-care providers in a GIGANTIC pool of workers, as a unit, so we benefit from sheer scale. Only if there were a way for the entire nation to negotiate with healthcare industry as a GIGANTIC unit of "United" people instead of as individuals and relatively small groups. Maybe we could get a better deal and not be the laughing stock of the world for having a shameful healthcare system....Man, I'm really saving the world with this YT comment rant. I should join Reddit and really make a difference.)
We are hourly workers, most definitely. And the more we work, the less we get paid. The district pays us for 180-some days of work and they are 7.5 hour days. And reminder, there's no such thing as overtime. You want to work more? Ok, yeah, we have this Professional Responsibility Stipend (or Time Responsibilty Incentive) that we'll pay you on top of your salary, but your hourly rate for that work will be laughable by the end of the year. Again, the more you work, the less you get paid. We simply can't trust teachers to say that they've put in these extra hours and pay them time and a half for it like almost every other hourly worker, they'll probably make it up and pad the hours anyways, their jobs are pretty easy anyways...and they love it, right? They should just work smarter, not harder, duh.
Dangit, I can't even end on a positive note. And I'm a music teacher. On the whole, love my job, really love my students and most of my parents, and a lot of my administartors are awesome. I'm lucky to work in the state I'm in, I teach a subject that is usually pretty fun and students' attitudes are pretty good. But please everybody, be careful about how you complain and what you complain about, there's a lot that you might not know that goes into every less than optimal outcome when it comes to public education in the U.S.
@@ATONAL6173 god damn that a lot of words music man
@@chekhov-and-his-gun It's an important and complicated issue, which I'm extremely passionate about and I enjoy using language to its fullest extent. -Captain Mega-Rant
@@cmmartti Thanks very much! I don't think I caught that one. I'm aware she's a teacher and agree that there are a few moments where they're not seriously criticising the teachers, but my comments arise from the large quantity of really negative takes, when there are so many glaring positives that they could and, I think, should be acknowledging, plus a whole bunch of context that is missing from an educator's perspective about the current state of education compared to their experience and the vast and complex variability in the sheer scale of our large system. I'm calling for them to apply their engineering mindsets to the problem and be more accurate and solution-oriented, essentially.
2x4 comes smaller because the wood is rough cut as a 2x4 and then they plane it down roughly 1/4 inch on each side so its more smooth and more usable and helps get rid of any larger defects in the wood, same thing goes for other cut sizes although the exact amount the plane changes on each cut and might be different between mills
They're the size they are because it's the minimum legal definition for dimensional lumber.
Every mill makes them the legal minimum to maximize their margin and reduce their waste.
I'd bitch that I wasn't getting my money's worth but:
1. It saves trees a little bit. At least, it maximizes their yield.
2. As every mill does it, all the blueprints are tailored around the legal minimum definition of a 2x4.
Modern mills ship garbage. They grade the lumber after it's cut and don't avoid defects in the lumber so much as they're aware of lumber defects, sell that stuff as "standard grade" and mark up the defect-free stuff as "premium".
You can still buy rough-cut, full-size lumber, and I've seen houses built recently where the builder went all-out and built it using old-school blocking and cross-tie construction. It's a thing of beauty.
It also doubles the cost of the house. Not just because of the material or the labor, but the amount of re-work from bringing on framers who are so trained to use the smaller lumber that there's inevitable mistakes made with things like window casements and such.
Lmfao, I had a friend argue with me once that cursive was important for school, but learning to read a clock wasn't. My thoughts were essentially that while we don't use analog clocks much in day to day, it's essentially a way to teach kids both about how the passage of time works (because otherwise an hour just magically ends at 60, and a day ends after two twelve hours lol) as well as relating to helping kids understand angles and stuff, which is incredibly important for geometry, trigonometry, and calculus. He literally never gave a reason for why cursive was good. Even people who say stuff like cursive is faster, it's like, a) only if you're really good at it, and b) only if your penmanship is good enough AND the person can even read cursive to begin with lol.
as a current college student, outside of my signature i use cursive almost once a year. meanwhile, analog clocks are something you see almost once a day in classrooms, lol.
I learned both in grade 2 or 3 and while knowing how to read cursive is helpful on occasion like if I'm looking through documents but analog clocks are still everywhere, like uni classrooms, the break room at work, as someone who works in retail too I can tell you even the cheaper watches and alarm clocks are analog not digital
I see analog clocks everywhere, I'm in college and the last time I wrote in cursive must've been the end of elementary (roughly 6 years ago)
I just recently learned cursive is just normal writing. I don't get why you wouldn't teach kids to write? (I'm Belgian, so pls explain)
@@irissupercoolsy Cursive is a particular style of handwriting where all the letters are joined together. Most people (who speak English at least) write in a "print" style, where letters are separated. Print style is easier to write and read imo. The only people who still use cursive are old people
You can see most of the shop I grew-up in at a traditional arts school call John Campbell, Virginia or thereabouts. Never been. Stepfather donated it when his vision failed. He was a tool and die maker, a blacksmith, coppersmith, tinsmith. Lathes, power hammers and 2 forges. Giant shears and brakes. All the tongs.. so like 60 pairs. I was running piecework like drilling pipe hawks out in curly maple or drilling and tapping kits for steam engines when I was 12.
My early years, 3-12 were spent shooting skeet and reloading. I got the full edgimakation.
I can't 3d print like y'all, best I've got is a bullpup laminated walnut sling bow with a 240 pound draw that pushes 400gr. arrows kinda fast.
Put your heads together and make a winter sling bow that has a heater. They don't work when it gets too cold, rubber "freezes" after the stretch and won't retract till you heat it again.
58:45 Watch Michae develop his next video idea in real-time.
Underrated time stamp
uh oh
I grew up in Washington, and in my highschool experience is extremely similar to William's and Michaels. Teachers "holistically grading" papers, learning the absolute b.s. that the public school system is, spamming word counts with white font. It's actually kinda nostalgic listening to this conversation.
The US Americans: complain about taxes
Nigel: *wise Quebecois silence*
The difference was telling. Will was so funny though.
Oh my god, Michael's indoor vs outdoor school question really hit me. I knew exactly what he meant. I lived in Hawaii until 3rd grade, and when I started school outside of Hawaii, I said I liked how we had indoor hallways.
I didn't know how I didn't connect the dots when the highschools in Disney Channel/Nickelodean tv shows/movies were formatted completely differently from the schools I went to.
As a former high school teacher this episode was both so interesting and painful to listen to 😂. I think most teachers I worked with recognize that the content we are told to teach doesn’t apply to our current society, but they mean well. Especially in public school, it takes so much time and effort to change things and being constantly underpaid and overstretched is tough. Good episode though, great conversation!
“You could swap that with a Hayabusa engine”
Jesus Christ Michae is a genius
I love how they just cut right as Kevin remembers :D
It's great to see M on the podcast again
I live in an area with a large amish population, and I also worked for a contractor previously! We regularly got "rough cut" lumber from amish mills that we genuinely 2"x4" or whatever given dimension. They said that they cut with measurements to the outside of the cut, accounting for the width of the saw blades, where "english" mills cut the wood directly on the measurement and take no accommodation for the blade width, leaving boards smaller.
Just another story/theory, thought i'd share!
Michael talking about ordering rails from China. A tip for anyone building stuff, use McMaster Carr to buy everything. The shipping is so fast and everything is great quality
I went through the child court system. Proved how much of a failure the system is when I was 14. Kid next to my locker at school had his stuff stolen, and the police lied and said they had footage of me taking everything he had. They slapped me with Felony 2 Theft because he had a $250 calculator. I went to child court, and they slapped me with maximum punishment, which is just public service and then I had to be on the court system for a year. I will never forget every single adult in my life telling me that I am a liar and I should just admit that I stole. I will never forget the police lying to me about the footage they had.
Damn dude. That's fucked.
Finally, Michae is back
With all dimensional lumber (2x4, 2x6, 2x8, etc) the measurements are the rough cut dimension of the lumber from the tree. Then it is passed through a planer to smooth out the sides and make every board uniform. This takes about 1/4 inch from each side. You can still get 2x4 rough cut lumber, just not from Home Depot, Lowes, Ace, etc.
on the high school to prison thing, my highschool was designed by a prison architect, it was shaped like a giant trapezoidal prism, all painted grey
Boat builder here. 2x4s are cut from logs at 2" by 4", then sent to a lumber factory where they are straightened (joined) and then rounded corners so they splinter less. They're called 2x4s because you're paying for the raw 2"x4" piece + processing.
If you want to see a really dangerous woodworking machine, look up a shaper, it's like a joiner but more open of a spinning blade. Good luck boys
Can't wait for episode 55 where we get to hear what Kevin remembered
I took woodshop the two years I could in middle school (6th grade we had rotating electives each few weeks and one of them was woodshop), and my teacher was good enough that I don't remember anyone having any issues with any of the machines, and we had a normal table saw, a normal lathe, two or three band saws, and a few other machines. He just always drilled safety into us and would call out anyone who wasn't paying attention or didn't follow procedure. He told us many a stories of going to physical therapy (athletic injury lol) and seeing carpenters with missing fingers, also knowing friends who have lost digits, whole hands, even one or two that died in a shop accident.
The degloving story have been told before, last time I couldn't get it out of my head for like a month, thanks for bringing it up again. :)
I liked Michael Reeves’ reference to Mr. Burns’ medical condition where he has so many illnesses that he isn’t affected by any of them!
Jokes aside it’s really great to see Michael be a regular guest on Safety Third, he’s really funny and fits right in 👍
This is a rust squad 100%
Old houses often have true dimensional lumber, they used to actually really be 2" by 4" pieces
It's actually a weirdly profitable industry. Older houses that get demoed will have people coming by to get the old wood because it's true dimensions. Some cities have laws that houses before a certain date have to be recycled almost entirely.
I believe Destin from Smarter Every Day has a video on reclaiming a wood beam for his friend's house. They go to a whole wood shop dedicated to reclaimed lumber.
And it's rough lumber, correct?
Planed lumber is 1.5"×3.5"
Rough lumber used to be 2"x4"
Planed lumber demand got the rough cut 2"x4" re-specified closer to the finished dimension because planing off a 1/4" per side is a waste of material
Now we rough cut as close to finished dimension as we can without the kiln shrinking the fibre too much for the planer leave a proper finish.
(I used to feed a planer in a stud mill. We made 2x4,1x4,2x3,1x3 and 2x6 up to 8' long)
i really like all four of these guys, and those who are in the crew and werent present, they are all brilliant
as a mech engineer undergrad who's also rlly into lit and poetry and has a bunch of friends who are lit majors / want to be teachers in that space, it's a little hard to hear them dunking on english analysis classes like that
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The way I understand 2x4s is that they are cut at the 2x4 dimensions and after drying out they are then planed down to the "store size" so you get the smooth finish with the rounded edges. Take that as you wish lol. Great episode
YES, I've been waiting for another episode with Michael
Michae*
"a VERY special episode" gets me every single time
I’m studying to be a Design & Tech teacher In Australia. that’s using cad, welding with mig, tig and MMA, 3d printing, laser cutting, engineering robotics, metalwork, including milling, lathe , cold saws.
Woodwork has bandsaws, lathes, disk sanders, chop saws, drill press ect.
Some schools even have forges to do metal casting and black smithing.
We build electric “cars”(enclosed go carts). Submersible drones with robot claws, robot garden beds. From year 7(kid age of 12) to graduating.
It’s crazy you guys don’t do anything like that, it’s like what half the population will end up doing for work.
It is a bit fucken stressful at times though if you have some derp kids that want to poke their fingers in everything and shit like that.
And a class of 20-30, 15 year olds with 6 lathes running a milling machine and grinders all the same time with 1 teacher can be a bit worrying.
But honestly, bad things hardly ever happen. Like a kid lost a finger in a school in the city I live (Perth) and it was news worthy. Its mostly minor burns from welding, small cuts from chisels and sharp metal and stuff like that.
Big machines are dangerous enough that even kids don’t really fuck around and be stupid with them.
Drill presses can can be dangerous cause kids are little weaklings so they’ll be drilling a bar or something and it’ll get caught in the bit and spin around hell fast.
i love the guy making food in the kitchen at the beginning
the segment about getting in trouble for making dumb things rings home for me. i made multiple pvc bows while my parents were not home. luckily my stepdad is a mechanic by trade and he was handy so we had an entire garage full of tools. just some 3/4 pvc, paracord, some dowel rods and duct tape for the fletchings (all were already in the garage from other projects lmao). we lived on a big farm (not farmers) and i would always get caught in our field shooting arrows and my parents would get so pissed everytime haha. good times.
New safety third with Micha reeves 😩
I had a woodshop teacher in highschool who gave me a 10/10 on a project, I was so thrilled because honestly I had lost all enthusiasm for school but this was giving me a boost.
My friends didn't believe me so I took them with me to see that teacher.
He had written my 10/10 on the wrong kids workbook, so he "re evaluated" my work and gave me a 7/10.
I was done.
I want a boxing match between Michael and Alan next Safety Third
Michae*
Aan*
What a coincidence, I also want to see Alan die.
sure i would watch it but why? cause micheal is trained but super short compared to alan who is untrained?
I think you mean Michae? Not quite sure who this Michael person is
My family owns and runs a planing mill, saws take a bit of wood away every time you cut and a lot of the time when you buy wood from home depot its been processed by a planer which takes even more wood away
He's called Michae because he never takes L's
The early 2000s were great for 12 yo me because I had the grandpa that had me welding using an arc welder he had since the 1940s. Good times.
Awesome. All of the last remaining real entertainment on TH-cam, all in one place.
I've always assumed 2x4 is that way because they use that wood for framing, which you add drywall.
Three highschools I went to in Florida were open campus, though they all were fenced off. I think one of those schools which was older had a car mechanics class.
I was in Utah for my senior year, they had a metals class, wood, pottery, stamp making, and a finance class, last of which was required to graduate. I had my first experience welding there, I was terrified, though I do it as a living now. That school was one building, and no fence cage.
I also have experienced lunch duty living in Utah when I was in 4th grade (that school year was hell, I went to 4 different schools, and moved to Florida, I left a fencing club in utah for mediocrity)
Screw lovebugs! I hate them, used to wack them with a stick after moving there, which would attract more. Love bug season was horrible if you boated on the gulf side (wind blows them out over the water by the hundreds of thousands)
Always love when Michael is on!
2x4's are cut green/wet to 2 inches by 4 inches. Then they're put in a kiln and dried. And then after it's dried, they're planed square and the corners are rounded. It's a combination of the drying and the planing. The planing isn't technically necessary, but it allows for a more standardized size (as some will shrink more than others, even depending on distance from the heartwood of the tree) as well as being able to fix slight warping issues (meaning more of the wood will pass their quality control and be sellable). The corner rounding is so that there's less splintering. And it's really annoying; there's no good technical reason they can't make the finished dimensions actually/exactly 2 inches by 4 inches. It's just so imbedded into the industry now that it'd be a nightmare to change.
Why is that "nothing matters" existential crisis they're having so relatable?
Because it is easier to give up and be defeatist than have hope and work hard for the future you want.
@@AllTheArtsy I'd say it's naïve to think working hard is enough to have the future that you want, specially in a world as unjust and unequal as the one we live in.
@@JordiVanderwaal Sure, so just lie down and give up.
@@AllTheArtsy no, we have the revolution first, then we take 50% of the wealth the billionaires and mega corporations have and give it to the 90% with the least amount of money. Then we lie down for a bit.
I believe 2x4s are rough cut to those dimensions but milled flat and lose 1/4" from each dimension (1.75x3.75). That's nominal vs actual dimensions of lumber
Larger nominal dimensions lose more in the milling
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Also scary interesting is a prime scary story shit, great presentation lmao
Alright so *whatever* Michae is building, he is SO CLOSE to killing someone. The way they've talked this one up, if he goes 1, 2 steps *max* bigger, someone is dying.
my dad is a parametic, every once in a while someone is so fat they drive them to the Omaha Zoo to use the xray machine that was built for elephants.
If McDonald’s could put advertisements in the comments this would be a great choice 😂
@@tommolldev probs talking about mri machines
@@tommolldev If you don't have the right lens and need the framing a certain way (like you might in an x-ray), someone can be too fat for a photograph
The op is clearly a fat-phobic troll. Doesn’t even spell the occupation properly.
@Blair he's not trolling, some people around the 700 lbs mark can't fit in standard mri machines. Gotta have specialized vehicles to pick them up as well
My highschool shop teacher was great. He developed an advanced shop class for students who really did well and enjoyed woodshop, he made a 2 hour morning class for furniture building. He let us design, draw and build our own full furniture projects. I CA designed and built my own design table, got industrial arts student of the year for it. Now I own my own wood working business.
It’s no coincidence that Nigel, as a Canadian, appreciates education for its basic value in raising people up and helping them to critically evaluate a wide range of human activities, while Will and the other US guys can’t conceive of education beyond its role as a trade school.
I love that you guys went to Cerro Gordo! Love Brent and his channel.
I had a similar class to the one Nigel was describing, where it was all about skepticism. Was really cool and helpful in life, probably one of my favorite classes at college
Info about modern mines shafts. They have ladders next to the shaft too (info from my miner friend):
you have ladders that go up 9m each, ladders are separated by rest points, each ladder is leaned in about 30 degrees.
Maintenance team have to check the ladders every year, climbing down 960m takes around 1,5h climbing up 320m takes around 45min but no one is stupid enough to go up all the way.
The difference between pipe and tube is the inner vs outer diameter respectively. As for NPT, the distinguishing factor is the outer diameter increases from start to end of thread as well as the individual thread thickness increases but not the pitch.
you guys are watching me. i just started watching the first michael podcast when i got the notification for this one
I'm happy they let William be included in these, you guys are real angels
The wood thing is for sheathing and drywall so it finishes out at even-ish increments. You use exterior sheathing at a half inch, and the 2x4 plus the exterior sheathing equals 4 in
HTME made his own 2x4. Claims the drying and planing removes that half inch. Point for Nigel.
That is by far the least satisfactory answer imo
@BWood63 designing buildings would be a lot more exciting if the wood was just sized randomly lol
@@VeryUnemployed That is fair & reasonable.
Edit: Still though, feels like that only answers why it has its current measurement, not why it's called a 2x4.
Also, I think, drywall and that sheeting sometimes vary in thickness. Also(2) while the size of the board would need to be consistent, I don't get why 4" would be the magic number for total wall thickness.
I guess it just feels like that answer is rationalized backwards in some way.
the 2x4 thing is because they measure it before the final milling so the rough cut is 2x4 the final board is 1.5 by 3.5
William’s views on education are definitely something…
What do you mean? I don't agree completely with him but in the beginning he mentioned how dog/underfunded the Florida education system was so i makes sense he had an awful experience. My Texas education wasn't that far off haha
Edit: except for the "pay teachers less" joke/comment haha, my sister's a teacher and I've seen her come home crying multiple times
@@CyanAnn The education system in America isn’t what it should be and I agree with him 100%. But the way he talks about it, he makes it seem like it’s this insanely corrupt system that is set up solely to put kids in college which is just not the case at all. Personally, I went to a Title 1 school, which means that at least 40% of student’s families lived below the poverty line. We had a completely free vocational school that taught students trades like carpentry, welding, mechanics, nursing, cosmetology, agricultural science, etc. With a majority of those topics, students usually end up with a license or the skills needed to start an apprenticeship (not to mention general knowledge and connections). School districts understand when the people who live in an area cannot afford college and try to supplement students with other options. For impoverished students who want to go to college, academic advisors always recommend going to a community college for the first two years of a bachelor’s degree, work towards scholarships, then transfer to a university (in my area, our community college is free). Career-readiness right out of high school was always a huge deal in my district, they understand that college is not a reality for some of these kids but deeply encourage them to find a skill set that will benefit them. Again, speaking personally, my high school had personal finance, entrepreneurship, and administrative assistance courses available, even for a school with 500 students. I also believe that school is really what you make of it. Naturally, kids who are unmotivated will not make good grades. William is criticizing the school work itself, not what makes kids unmotivated. If a student is unsure about their future or they feel discouraged, it is probably not because they have to analyze a poem in English class. Even so, who cares if you have to read Romeo and Juliet if it brings you that much closer to achieving your goals? If you couldn’t tell, I really enjoyed school and I think I’ll leave it at that (but I could go on forever).
My understanding is that the 2*4 has slowly shrunk down as the material became "engineered better" (whatever thats supposed to mean) and as a way to cut costs. They slowly started making them smaller and smaller and ultimately landed on a half inch being the most they could remove in either direction before it no longer behaved structurally like a 2*4. I don't know that theres a lot of consensus on that though.
So glad Nigel is apart of this podcast. He can play a good devil's advocate that prevents this podcast from spiraling into an echo chamber
William trying to get his Wikifeet score up
2X4s are called that because it is the size they were cut before they were processed
This is one of the best episodes
Wow you know it’s going to be good when it starts off with a bunch of Americans threatening a defenseless Canadian with guns
Dude Michael is living the life. I wish I didn't have a 9-5 and I could just work on passion projects all day everyday. I have a ton of things I want to learn and work on, I feel like I'd never get bored.
in elementary school in south florida we were sent to run a bubble economy in the guise of a field trip. we were divided in groups for things like stores, restaurants, a bank etc. I still believe that experience when I was that young, was absolutely invaluable.
I think the name has changed but I believe the program is now called "JA Biztown"
Wow... American school is so wild to me. I'm glad I went to school in Belgium, because literally everything is different.
Michael Reeves perfectly describes woodworking: Wood isn't straight, so I had to use a planer and a jointer and it took me like 5-6 days.
Actually fucking accurate.
Love Michae
900 foot vertical wooden ladder would be terrifying. I would definitely take the elevator. 45min one way of uncertain fear compared to hours of climbing.
I grew up with basically every woodworking tool in my garage, so I skipped the stage of “wow, I can make stuff” entirely. I just have forged a bottle opener with a mahogany handle for a Christmas gift using my great grandfather’s anvil.
Cool that you guys went up to Cerro Gordo, have been checking in on Brents project occassionally and it seems like such a cool place
We had a metal lathe in grade 8… and welded + used an acetylene torch in grade 9
I want a picture of Michae's jewelry box!
U can see it in lily's latest video
My middle school actually had a welding station for tech class. Tech class was essentially wood shop + CAD + welding. It was actually super cool and I'm glad I had the opportunity to do that. I wish I could've done it for more than just one year
Part of the problem with Shakespeare in particular is that the lines need to be read in a certain way to flow well. His plays were all written as plays, and weren't intended to be read as prose. Once the pacing clicks with you, his plays become a lot more readable. Unfortunately, many english teachers either aren't aware of this or don't teach it to their students for whatever reason, so many hate Shakespeare's writing as a result. Most of my good english teachers would have us watch the actual plays in addition to reading them, and they were always much more entertaining that way.
NGL safety third has been the best thing to happen in 2022!
Two-by-fours are undersized 1.5"x3.5" to increase profit and pass the cost of processing on to the consumer. The average saw blades at the sawmillis about .25" with four sides to a board. And when it comes to piping pipe is measured in inside diameter/ID and tubing is measured in outside diameter/OD. This could vary with a schedule aka wall thickness but for example a length of half inch hard pipe would measure @ half inch ID interior diameter same as a 5/8 copper tubing is half inch ID
Wood has “finished” and “rough” dimensions so 2x4 is rough dimensions befor sanding and Planing it down after the “finish” process is 1.5x3.5. 20:14
What I was told by my stagecraft professor was that 2x4s used to be 2x4, but because of the difference in how we cut and plane wood, about a half inch each way gets cut off. So you could get an actual 2 foot by 4 foot piece of wood straight from an old saw mill, but not a modern one
8:42 Nigel just casually planning his next murder. :3
IIRC 2x4 is the uncut measurement, 1.5x3.5 is the standard finished measurement of the pieces.