6:02 true, but parents buying media for their kids without properly vetting it is a tale as old as time... this is 100% on the parents for not doing ANY research on the fact the movie adaptation was radically different than the book
Somewhat related to parents not vetting books-as a kid in the 90s going through the NYC public school system we used have book fairs several times a year and most of the time our parents weren't even there. I remember buying a big but thin book about dinosaurs called "Time flies" just for the cool book cover alone. Later found out it literally had zero words in it and was purely a picture book. Book did a have a point though, time really does fly by...
@@sovereigneverblight5825 Parents who don’t bother to read the synopsis on the book flap or inquire/investigate what the book is about or what age group it’s appropriate for. They just think it’s another Wizard of Oz book. I read it when it first came out years ago and was pretty disgusted with it myself…..
So basically, the movie was based on a Broadway musical which was based on a nineties slasher fanfic which people actually paid money for? Why am I not surprised...
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Where did you get your retort? Slasher Fanfic? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahhaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAhahaHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahHAhahahahahaha HA! (No, laughing uncontrollably at your own comment doesn't make you sounds insane.)
McGuires Wicked book the archetypical FanFiction. Subverting of the main tropes of the original book and some weird sexuality and violence. Interrestingly often exercised on books for Children and/or Teens.
I used to read to my kids before bedtime. As I was going through "The Wizard of Oz", I found out that a prequel about the Wicked Witch of the West had been written. I picked it up and planned on reading it to them afterwards, but something told me to read it myself first... and I was glad that I did! It actually kicks off with a saucy puppet show and the affairs. So many affairs! Definitely not for children!
I was never interested in reading fanfic spinoffs, so thanks for warning audiences about the abominable content in this novel. When adults are shocked by the content, that should tell them all they need to know. It's like candy laced with small draughts of poison. You can't tell what the effects are right away, but you keep getting sicker and sicker the more you ingest it. Parents need to review the content of their kids' educational and entertainment materials, and then put restrictions on their accounts to avoid such materials.
Well said even Broadway had to change and leave some things and for Broadway to do that shows yes, there are some things in there not suitable for all audiences.
Every "spicy" romance author I know holds the opinion of "well I read it as a kid and I'm fine." And then you read their stuff and it's like no, no you're not. People don't see the effect these things have on them
Teen lit is filled with, well-let's put it this way, instructions on how to be grmd by the writer. Never buy your kids the books their friends are reading.
I'm an indie author. You would be horrified by the number of female YA authors who think it's important, nay, even vital, that they put sex scenes in their books.
@@2012sonora Some male YA writers also do this - John Green comes to mind - but the female writers seem to get away with more of it. Maas has damaged the reputation of the whole fantasy genre.
Well given that the book describes Elphaba’s pubes and implies a scar from being born a hermaphrodite but having the male parts removed… (Seriously. Look it up.)
It (and the 3 others in the series) are dark and bittersweet but I found the storytelling very compelling, maybe not so much "enjoyable" as satisfying...
@@robotnoir5299 Every single self-avowed Satanist I have ever encountered, be it online or real life, doesn't believe Satan/Lucifer/Samael actually exists. If anything, they use the name to trigger Christians and pique the interest of free thinkers.
Maguire wrote Wicked as a postmodernist take on The Wizard of Oz. Postmodernism posits that since we cannot know all truth we cannot know any truth so truth is subjective, choose your own. Wicked was woke before the term woke was coined. The musical sanitized the book considerably though it failed to truly make sense out of the narrative. But then, when did a musical need to make sense when the music if fantastic?
I've read the Wicked novel 📖, and it has much more in it than what those news 📰 sites talked about. Spoilers: There's an orgy in the college 🎓 years of the characters, with some of the students being involved in it. A lot of murders. Basically having talking animals being persecuted like how Blacks were in the Jim Crow area in the USA 🇺🇸. Elphaba has an affair and bastard son. Elphaba debates on religion, claiming to be an atheist. A ton of characters cuss 🤬 like sailors. The Wizard date rapes Elphaba's mother. I would say this book should be a hard R or a X rated story. 😅
I read the book, but I don’t remember the orgy, but the rest is in line with what I remember. And unless I am confusing it with one of the sequels, one of the other things that happens is that Elphaba basically ignores her son and refuses to acknowledge his existence. Which is not a good model of parenting.
@StrongDreamsWaitHere the part about Elphaba's son being ignored is in the 2nd half of the book. The orgy was early in the story, Bok the munchkin participates in it.
@@StrongDreamsWaitHereOMG! So, books with "proper" parenting content is good, but anything else is bad? 😆 I don't think Maquire was writing a guide for proper parenting 🤣
@@hurdygurdyguy1 The issue is, what should parents know about the book before they give it to their children. Orgies, affairs, murders, atheism, and parental neglect are all things that might be objectionable, or might not, depending on the parent and their values. It's just one more point to consider.
@@hurdygurdyguy1 You missed the point, the books are grotesque, glorified fan fiction, AND Elphaba is an awful mother. Why would anyone want to read such unhinged fanfic about a character that isn’t even a good person? Maybe, maybe if Elphaba was a decent person that might excuse the rest of it, but if the lead character isn’t even likable then why bother?
Sounds like Wicked should've just remained a musical at this point. Everything surrounding the movie and musical is garbage. Mattel's in hot water for the URL, and Universal is in hot water for indirectly nudging the novel owners to resell the book with the movie characters on it. Just adds to my overall disinterest in everything Wicked.
The wicked book series is basically fan fiction porn. One of the first ones to hit mainstream success. Sadly this idea of people turning IP into their fanfiction porn has become common.
While I do not think of them as a very large audience, I can certainly attest to them bring a hyperactive one. I remember looking for fanfiction for a series that just came out and within a week of that property getting its own section the first published fanfics were slashfics.
I was already put off by these fan fics of "oh, the evil witch is just a misunderstood/mistreated one"... and now, knowing what the OG fan fiction work includes... it's a big pass. Thank you, Andre.
I hate pride and prejudice and zombies. Tried reading it since they considered it good enough to make a movie out of it. Couldn’t finish, it was stealing a great book and just slapping zombies on it in a stupid uninspired way, nothing changed with the addition of zombies it was merely and inconvenience to the world, at least that was what I glimpsed by the little I read and the trailer of the movie. I have read many fanfiction about Jane Austen, some better than others.
Even if the source material is trash the play and the movie are good IMO. That said the whole adultery sub-plot is very adult even if it’s not brought up in detail.
Settle down hyperguyver! Anti-heroes have been around and popular for decades in movies and books... "Wicked has damaged...irreparably?" 🤣 Not by a longshot!
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Why are you fighting this hard for a fan fiction about bestiality and SA? It’s a messed up fan fiction written by a really messed up person. Please stop trying to act like books like this are normal, or in any way worth reading.
I thought it was clearly marketed as adult... I have glanced through a copy the lady who cuts my hair had out in her waiting area, and it didn't catch my interest. But it's a bit surprising that an abridged/sanitized version hasn't been issued to go with the movie.
This is why I thought it was wrong that they took this and made it a bubblegum musical. Its really misleading that its Wicked...which is really dark and political and has a scene that will traumatize you.
I know some older women who were excited for the movie, loved the play, and even one who loved the books. Now hearing more about the books...okay then, lol.
I'm reading the book right now and I concur with the Parental warnings. Those expecting a book version of the musical will be very very surprised. Honestly, if the Wicked Adult video company wants to parody the musical, get the rights to the novel and do a straight up faithful adaptation of it. There are plenty of passages that would send very well towards setting up adult scenes if you get my drift. It is a very very weird book.
At age 16 I selected the Wicked audiobook for a road trip with my mother after hearing a friend recommend the musical. “The book is always better,” right? 🫣 Needless to say, we didn’t finish it.
This reminds me of when the first Deadpool movie came out. There were tons of negative reviews on Amazon from parents who ignored the R rating. This is a bit different. I read the book in 8th or 9th grade before seeing the stage version and was disappointed. The writing style and story (if you can call it that) are terrible. It's definitely not a book for kids. I remember being disturbed by the Tiger part. It pushed certain themes and I guess that's what made it popular.
It was an adult novel when I read it in middle school. It still was when I read it for book club so we could go see the NEW musical on Broadway in high school. It still is now the move has come out and parents are still not parenting till after the fact.
Hey Midnight's Edge can you maybe do a video retrospectively on the Wicked novels from book 1-4? I know this is based on the oz books but it's already public domain so I don't care about it being that drastic from the Wizard of Oz (there's about 4 different versions of Dracula, greek mythology characters, and King Arthur) but a nice unbiased retrospective review of Wicked where criticism and merit is due. It doesn't have to be done you but maybe a Collab with someone who has read the books.
Part of me wonders if this isn't just sheer incompetence, and that maybe this is done by sickos who purposely want to warp children. I really hope that is not the case, but either way, this is another blow against this dumb movie.
The book is adult fiction meant for adults. The musical took the basic outline, took out the queerness and added a happy ending, because they were trying to sell to a Broadway audience. I don’t have a problem with either one of those. However, now, 20 years later, the movie makers took the happy musical, added back to queerness, and are deliberately marketing to children. That’s a problem.
@nocty7356 Dorothy is supposed to be 10-12 years old. There’s no sex at all in the original novel, as best I can recall. “Wicked” is something entirely different, and the Wicked novel is quite different from the musical.
@@StrongDreamsWaitHere No shit Sherlock, the story has been popular with people in the LGBT for decades, also Ozma and her are frequently read as a couple
@nocty7356 Why are you so angry? Do you think that "Wicked" the novel (not talking about the original Oz books) is suitable for children of all ages without parents taking a look first?
Parents can buy kids the original novel by L. Frank Baum. The Wizard of Oz is still a great read and not very much different from the musical compared to MacGuire's novel.
Finally, a topic that everyone can agree on regardless of political leaning. Some things are just not meant for children. And it truly is a politically neutral sentiment. Even if you don't like the movie, Hollywood in general or think that only bigots are against it (personally, I don't care either way - not my thing, but go watch it if you want). Anyone who bothers to learn the difference, between the film and the book, will say that they are VERY different, and, that they should be considered two, completely, separate things.
One thing I always found strange, you have movies with all sorts of violence, guns, bombs, people and body parts, and blood flying everywhere that ok entertainment for kids and is rated "PG". Show pair of bare breast and thats going to corupt the kids and must be rated "R". Just makes you wonder. 🤔
Kids should NEVER see PG. PG IS NOT FOR KIDS. Is they move the adrighted PG kids would not be able to get into the movie theater without their parents. PG stands for Parental Guidance. So the grand conclusion is kids does not need to see anything PG and they do not need to see boobs. Safe to say you are the only one thinking that.
@@lillymorticia5836I think your correct, kids should not be exposed to either, just pointing out the hypocrisy of most people nowadays. Most people have the view that PG is ok entertainment for kids. Most movies are often rated "R" more for foul language over any violence in the movies. Just point out you drop a f bomb or show a nipple and people freak out, save rhe children, but crickets about gun violence or people being splattered all over the screen dead. Makes you wonder where some people morals lay, when sex is bad but murder is ok.
Well so many films that came out in 60s-80s that at the moment are rated PG used to have higher ratings when they first came out. My mom remembers some of those films original ratings, many being PG-13 before they were dropped to PG. I'm sure it's an attempt to maximize more profits, especially true since we have parents bringing kids to watch R-rated films like Deadpool with almost no care.
@@jrc99us The book is an exploration of the idea of evil and how people turn out like that. Gregory Maguire has gone in interviews he was inspired by recent horrific incidents at the time like the tragic death of James Bulger and how the two perpetrators of his deaths (both young children) had their life details and mugshots pasted on the British press, this caused a lot of people to ask “why would two children do such a thing?”
I read this book a long time ago, and it is not in the same category as the musical. It's a book that takes itself a bit too seriously and has sex and violence I don't think is appropriate for kids. They're making a mistake putting the movie characters on the cover to sell the book.
It was pretty poor judgment of the people who made the play to pick that particular book. Not terribly surprising about the book's contents though, since it was published in 1995. Since the 1970's and onward, science fiction and fantasy writing had been taken over by aristocratic degenerates with a particular interest in degeneracy involving children. (See Jon Del Arroz's videos about SFWA from 1970's onward, and people like Marion Zimmer Bradley in particular.)
It's pretty appropriate, but if the child's young... I recommend a child watching it with an adult. It does have a few brief scary screens for little ones.
Not since I saw a copy of A Clockwork Orange in the Childrens section of a bookshop, have I seen such classic snafu. At least that was mistake not profit gouging. What is next childrens pop-up edition of American Psycho? Colouring in book of Salo?
With all the book adaptions of movies out there, or vice versa, and with the cover looking like the movie, it's not that wild that a parent who knows that their child loved the movie and/or stage play would see it and think, "oh, what a fun Christmas gift to get my little Wicked fan!" ...and it's not like the back of the book is going to give these warnings, as the plots are loosely similar. I mean, if you saw the Narnia or Peter-Pan book, or even something like How To Train Your Dragon (which is based on a book, did you know? But they changed so much that it's not really the same story) and had a fan of those, would you think twice before giving your tween the book? Ultimately, of course, I agree with people that it SHOULD be on the parents. I myself would never give my child something before giving it a full read or watch through first. But that's not standard practice today - look at the amount of parents, for example, who take their children to see something in theaters for the first time when it is released, and there is really no way of knowing the full content and how child appropriate it is. They assume it is or isn't, based on the marketing. Things like Moana 2, etc, people are going to assume is child-friendly and appropriate based on marketing and association. Likewise, a book like the original Peter Pan. So, yes, it's the parent's responsibility ultimately, BUT this is still deceptive and predatory marketing that is a disgrace to the publisher and is absolutely going to end up with some kids traumatized.
It is subversive to use euphemism "adult" for "diabolical" or "lewd". Adults are not lewd, they are chaste and modest. Folks of adult age, who be lewd, are either of stifled emotional development, or else are human bodies inhabited by diablolical souls, or infected by devils.
Does anyone else find it strange that some guy saw Wizard of Oz, and read the original Oz books, and the first thing that popped into his head was to write fan fiction full of bestiality, racism, and SA?
My terminally woke aunt, who hates the rest of the family, loves that book. I think it's because the author sees the world the same way she does - even a fantasy world is racist, evil, and full of violence and depravity.
What happened to putting MA?! On book and cd covers all my akame ga kill books which cover similar dark themes have it in bold letters on the corner of the front cover.
Absolutely Maguire's Oz books are not for children!! Dark and bittersweet but well worth reading! I found them all very compelling! The musical and movie had to be extensively rewritten to emphasize The Message for a Modern Audience (both of which I have no interest in seeing) And why the tag "fanfic" other than as a red flag for "I hated this and it shouldn't exist!" ? "I hated this" = Fanfic..."I loved it!" = Reimagined... I do agree with the criticism of the rerelease of the book Wicked with the cover looking like the movie, it's a cheap shot for more sales but muddies the waters even more...
I'm not surprised the original book was released in the 90s, as that was the decade when a lot of radical progressivism became in vogue among the young adults of the time.
For those not in the UK, do me a favour and take anything that the 'Daily Mail' spews out with a grain of salt. Now it may be a long while since I read 'Wicked', but I have no clue what the 'ritual murder' was. Yes, there was violence and murder, but it was within the broader context of the novel's exploration of injustice. Regarding the sexual assault, yes, it was in the book, but it wasn't graphic, and again, it was put within the context of the exploration of social injustice. What made me laugh is the 'beast****'. Okay. That is a huge stretch to call it that. So there are anthropomorphic animal-type creatures in the book that act, speak and behave as humans do, but to say that they are engaging in that activity when they get it on with human characters is a bit of a stretch. That would be like saying that Mr Tumnus from the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe getting it on with an adult female character would constitute the same act. So you see where I'm going with this? More sensationalist garbage from the daily mail to satiate the pearl-clutching 'think of the children' crusaders! No, I don't think that this is exactly children-friendly material, but neither is it some sort of degenerate hardcore content either!
Mr. Tumnus is in that weird class of half-human half-animal mythical creatures - he's a man from the waist up. Still not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of him being intimate with a human woman, but he's still way more human in his appearance and cognition than a creature like the Cowardly Lion. The bigger issue is, why would anyone write a novel about the sex lives of fantasy characters from classic children's books?
If Wicked is bad, then I guess 6th graders shouldn't be reading Gilgamesh, Homer or Virgil. If you ever wonder why America is having a literacy crisis it because of reasons like this.
I checked the “porn” site it links to and all I saw were some low-key raunchy stuff but not a single bit of nudity nor immediate links to any videos. Mind you, I didn’t stay long and none of it would have even peaked my interest otherwise since, if I want actual porn, I already know where to go. But that mom does seem like she’s grifting for money since there is no way anything happened that needs $5,000,000 to fix.🤨
To be fair, this isn't particularly rare case. For example, quite a few fairy tales, including the ones Disney movies are based on, have material that is far from "kids friendly".
Cinderella too. The stepsisters cut off their toes and heels to try to fit into the slipper and the stepmother has metal boots strapped to her legs before molten metal is poured into them and she is made to "dance" to her death.
"Think of these books like fanfiction."
Considering the entire IP is public domain, that's literally everything after the original books.
I'll admit, I do like Tarsem's attempted Emerald City TV series. Thought it was an interesting take on the story.
6:02 true, but parents buying media for their kids without properly vetting it is a tale as old as time... this is 100% on the parents for not doing ANY research on the fact the movie adaptation was radically different than the book
Thank you, common sense! Happened in the 80s with Twisted Sister!
Somewhat related to parents not vetting books-as a kid in the 90s going through the NYC public school system we used have book fairs several times a year and most of the time our parents weren't even there. I remember buying a big but thin book about dinosaurs called "Time flies" just for the cool book cover alone. Later found out it literally had zero words in it and was purely a picture book. Book did a have a point though, time really does fly by...
Well no shit, it's an adult fantasy novel, not middle grade. Who the hell buys things like that for their young kids?
The ones who were rooting for those same books in school libraries.
@@MrClassicmetalNormal people, not bookburning notseas.
The same ones having a major meltdown because WOKE/lgbtq porn like books are being removed from grade school libraries
People who assumed the movie and musical were faithful adaptations. Not fanfiction of another fanfic.
@@sovereigneverblight5825 Parents who don’t bother to read the synopsis on the book flap or inquire/investigate what the book is about or what age group it’s appropriate for. They just think it’s another Wizard of Oz book. I read it when it first came out years ago and was pretty disgusted with it myself…..
So basically, the movie was based on a Broadway musical which was based on a nineties slasher fanfic which people actually paid money for?
Why am I not surprised...
🤣 where'd you get your synopsis? Slasher fanfic?! 🤣
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Where did you get your retort? Slasher Fanfic? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahhaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAhahaHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahHAhahahahahaha HA! (No, laughing uncontrollably at your own comment doesn't make you sounds insane.)
@@hurdygurdyguy1 they watch anti-woke grifters safe to assume even fanfic is too much words for them
McGuires Wicked book the archetypical FanFiction. Subverting of the main tropes of the original book and some weird sexuality and violence. Interrestingly often exercised on books for Children and/or Teens.
Now, the actress' "people ask me if my ***** is green" comment finally makes sense. Must have come from fans of the book.
Yeah, because when you look back on something as an adult you overlay your adult mindset over it
@@mrspeigel3593 It is a kind of a Kidult thing. To childish to let go the Movie he saw as a kid and to adult to keep his adult fantasies out.
I would not be surprised if the author was around the Queer Theory crowd from the universities.
I used to read to my kids before bedtime. As I was going through "The Wizard of Oz", I found out that a prequel about the Wicked Witch of the West had been written. I picked it up and planned on reading it to them afterwards, but something told me to read it myself first... and I was glad that I did! It actually kicks off with a saucy puppet show and the affairs. So many affairs! Definitely not for children!
Oh yeah, they f’d and f’d and f’d 😂. I read it when it came out and was really surprised 😅
I'm beginning to think I should give it a chance 😂
This is what the people who made this thing intended, to expose kids to this garbage.
Of course. Hollyweird is full of pedos.
The book is for adults you fucking idiot
Even in the 90s fanfiction was cancer
and yet some like deadpool 3 made money
I was never interested in reading fanfic spinoffs, so thanks for warning audiences about the abominable content in this novel. When adults are shocked by the content, that should tell them all they need to know. It's like candy laced with small draughts of poison. You can't tell what the effects are right away, but you keep getting sicker and sicker the more you ingest it. Parents need to review the content of their kids' educational and entertainment materials, and then put restrictions on their accounts to avoid such materials.
Well said even Broadway had to change and leave some things and for Broadway to do that shows yes, there are some things in there not suitable for all audiences.
Every "spicy" romance author I know holds the opinion of "well I read it as a kid and I'm fine." And then you read their stuff and it's like no, no you're not. People don't see the effect these things have on them
Teen lit is filled with, well-let's put it this way, instructions on how to be grmd by the writer.
Never buy your kids the books their friends are reading.
I'm an indie author. You would be horrified by the number of female YA authors who think it's important, nay, even vital, that they put sex scenes in their books.
@@2012sonora Some male YA writers also do this - John Green comes to mind - but the female writers seem to get away with more of it. Maas has damaged the reputation of the whole fantasy genre.
There was a time where they made cartoons and toys based on R-rated properties like Robocop marketed to kids. Those times are gone.
A perfect gift for Cynthio Arivo, lots of potential emotions and interview topics, she may also finally find out if her kitten is green.
Well given that the book describes Elphaba’s pubes and implies a scar from being born a hermaphrodite but having the male parts removed…
(Seriously. Look it up.)
If I worked at a bookstore I would put a NSFW sticker on every copy of Wicked in store.
We can blame the wicked book for normalizing public domain slop like Winnie the Pooh's Blood and Honey.
and soon popeye
It's a thoroughly unpleasant book, even for adults. I didn't care for it.
Like you have ever read a book lmfao
It (and the 3 others in the series) are dark and bittersweet but I found the storytelling very compelling, maybe not so much "enjoyable" as satisfying...
Who would of thought satanists could be so evil? I'm a personally shocked!
If they were actually Satanists, they wouldn't be doing this. They, at least, are about informed consent.
@@Deridus citation required.
@@robotnoir5299 Every single self-avowed Satanist I have ever encountered, be it online or real life, doesn't believe Satan/Lucifer/Samael actually exists. If anything, they use the name to trigger Christians and pique the interest of free thinkers.
This almost seems like a deliberate attempt to subvert parents and childhood innocence with the amount of coincidental occurances.
Maguire wrote Wicked as a postmodernist take on The Wizard of Oz. Postmodernism posits that since we cannot know all truth we cannot know any truth so truth is subjective, choose your own.
Wicked was woke before the term woke was coined.
The musical sanitized the book considerably though it failed to truly make sense out of the narrative. But then, when did a musical need to make sense when the music if fantastic?
the musical put the book to shame
I've read the Wicked novel 📖, and it has much more in it than what those news 📰 sites talked about.
Spoilers:
There's an orgy in the college 🎓 years of the characters, with some of the students being involved in it. A lot of murders. Basically having talking animals being persecuted like how Blacks were in the Jim Crow area in the USA 🇺🇸. Elphaba has an affair and bastard son. Elphaba debates on religion, claiming to be an atheist. A ton of characters cuss 🤬 like sailors. The Wizard date rapes Elphaba's mother. I would say this book should be a hard R or a X rated story. 😅
I read the book, but I don’t remember the orgy, but the rest is in line with what I remember. And unless I am confusing it with one of the sequels, one of the other things that happens is that Elphaba basically ignores her son and refuses to acknowledge his existence. Which is not a good model of parenting.
@StrongDreamsWaitHere the part about Elphaba's son being ignored is in the 2nd half of the book. The orgy was early in the story, Bok the munchkin participates in it.
@@StrongDreamsWaitHereOMG! So, books with "proper" parenting content is good, but anything else is bad? 😆 I don't think Maquire was writing a guide for proper parenting 🤣
@@hurdygurdyguy1 The issue is, what should parents know about the book before they give it to their children. Orgies, affairs, murders, atheism, and parental neglect are all things that might be objectionable, or might not, depending on the parent and their values. It's just one more point to consider.
@@hurdygurdyguy1 You missed the point, the books are grotesque, glorified fan fiction, AND Elphaba is an awful mother. Why would anyone want to read such unhinged fanfic about a character that isn’t even a good person? Maybe, maybe if Elphaba was a decent person that might excuse the rest of it, but if the lead character isn’t even likable then why bother?
I wouldn't give anyone not an adult the BOOK. It is rough even for Adults...!
I think that parents are being warned not to buy the novel for their children because there's a very good chance that their children can't read.
Kinda reminds me of how the original Jurassic Park novel is a lot darker and gorier than the movie.
Except both are great for children, the book even better because it introduces mathematical theory in fun and exciting ways.
@ But the book also has a baby’s face getting eaten by compies. And Nedry’s death is a lot more graphic than in the movie.
Sounds like Wicked should've just remained a musical at this point. Everything surrounding the movie and musical is garbage. Mattel's in hot water for the URL, and Universal is in hot water for indirectly nudging the novel owners to resell the book with the movie characters on it.
Just adds to my overall disinterest in everything Wicked.
Good on you for correcting the error.
Dear God, I wish someone paid me 5 million the first time I watched porn.
That would be a win-WIIIIIIIIIIN!
The wicked book series is basically fan fiction porn. One of the first ones to hit mainstream success. Sadly this idea of people turning IP into their fanfiction porn has become common.
like she-ra
par for course on fan fiction. i'm irked that there's a market for 'professional' slashfics...
While I do not think of them as a very large audience, I can certainly attest to them bring a hyperactive one. I remember looking for fanfiction for a series that just came out and within a week of that property getting its own section the first published fanfics were slashfics.
The book it terrible but, yeah, it does have some adult themes in it...alphabet people themes.
I was already put off by these fan fics of "oh, the evil witch is just a misunderstood/mistreated one"... and now, knowing what the OG fan fiction work includes... it's a big pass. Thank you, Andre.
Definitely not safe for kids. And the sequels are worse.
Protect the green people 😂
(Grabs sheers) ... *No.*
Kermit the Frog always said “It ain’t easy being green.”
Back in my day, entertainment had no qualms about traumatizing kids.
I hate pride and prejudice and zombies. Tried reading it since they considered it good enough to make a movie out of it. Couldn’t finish, it was stealing a great book and just slapping zombies on it in a stupid uninspired way, nothing changed with the addition of zombies it was merely and inconvenience to the world, at least that was what I glimpsed by the little I read and the trailer of the movie. I have read many fanfiction about Jane Austen, some better than others.
That’ll be like adding dinosaurs in To Kill a Mockingbird for no apparent reason.
How about Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters ... ?
@@Drixenol86 "Remember, Jem, it's a sin to kill a pterodactyl."
“Stealing” the book is the public fucking domain lmao
Even if the source material is trash the play and the movie are good IMO. That said the whole adultery sub-plot is very adult even if it’s not brought up in detail.
Mental note: start Christmas shopping.
That book isnt fit for human consumption. Wicked has damaged the hero/villain dynamic irreparably
Settle down hyperguyver! Anti-heroes have been around and popular for decades in movies and books... "Wicked has damaged...irreparably?" 🤣 Not by a longshot!
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Why are you fighting this hard for a fan fiction about bestiality and SA? It’s a messed up fan fiction written by a really messed up person. Please stop trying to act like books like this are normal, or in any way worth reading.
The wicked witch is not an antihero or a hero of any sorts
@@alansmithee5595 “extremely messed up dude” and it’s just some old nerdy boomer lol
So the book is not "holding space" enough.
I thought it was clearly marketed as adult... I have glanced through a copy the lady who cuts my hair had out in her waiting area, and it didn't catch my interest. But it's a bit surprising that an abridged/sanitized version hasn't been issued to go with the movie.
Read the book years ago. Surprised (well, not really) how the movie's sanitized.
This is why I thought it was wrong that they took this and made it a bubblegum musical. Its really misleading that its Wicked...which is really dark and political and has a scene that will traumatize you.
Your telling me a book for adults has adult content 😮 no way!
The novel is very R-rated. The film is PG. It's a fair warning.
Its PG-13 , there are no graphic detsils
@mrspeigel3593 Man gets penetrated by a Tiger in front of an audience but sure...PG-13...
I know some older women who were excited for the movie, loved the play, and even one who loved the books. Now hearing more about the books...okay then, lol.
I'm reading the book right now and I concur with the Parental warnings. Those expecting a book version of the musical will be very very surprised. Honestly, if the Wicked Adult video company wants to parody the musical, get the rights to the novel and do a straight up faithful adaptation of it. There are plenty of passages that would send very well towards setting up adult scenes if you get my drift. It is a very very weird book.
At age 16 I selected the Wicked audiobook for a road trip with my mother after hearing a friend recommend the musical. “The book is always better,” right? 🫣 Needless to say, we didn’t finish it.
This reminds me of when the first Deadpool movie came out. There were tons of negative reviews on Amazon from parents who ignored the R rating. This is a bit different. I read the book in 8th or 9th grade before seeing the stage version and was disappointed. The writing style and story (if you can call it that) are terrible. It's definitely not a book for kids. I remember being disturbed by the Tiger part. It pushed certain themes and I guess that's what made it popular.
It was an adult novel when I read it in middle school. It still was when I read it for book club so we could go see the NEW musical on Broadway in high school. It still is now the move has come out and parents are still not parenting till after the fact.
I love how we find out more every day how evil this project is and has always been.
Hey Midnight's Edge can you maybe do a video retrospectively on the Wicked novels from book 1-4? I know this is based on the oz books but it's already public domain so I don't care about it being that drastic from the Wizard of Oz (there's about 4 different versions of Dracula, greek mythology characters, and King Arthur) but a nice unbiased retrospective review of Wicked where criticism and merit is due. It doesn't have to be done you but maybe a Collab with someone who has read the books.
Part of me wonders if this isn't just sheer incompetence, and that maybe this is done by sickos who purposely want to warp children. I really hope that is not the case, but either way, this is another blow against this dumb movie.
The book is adult fiction meant for adults. The musical took the basic outline, took out the queerness and added a happy ending, because they were trying to sell to a Broadway audience. I don’t have a problem with either one of those. However, now, 20 years later, the movie makers took the happy musical, added back to queerness, and are deliberately marketing to children. That’s a problem.
@@StrongDreamsWaitHereyeah because the Wizard of Oz is such a heterosexual story
@nocty7356 Dorothy is supposed to be 10-12 years old. There’s no sex at all in the original novel, as best I can recall. “Wicked” is something entirely different, and the Wicked novel is quite different from the musical.
@@StrongDreamsWaitHere No shit Sherlock, the story has been popular with people in the LGBT for decades, also Ozma and her are frequently read as a couple
@nocty7356 Why are you so angry? Do you think that "Wicked" the novel (not talking about the original Oz books) is suitable for children of all ages without parents taking a look first?
Parents can buy kids the original novel by L. Frank Baum. The Wizard of Oz is still a great read and not very much different from the musical compared to MacGuire's novel.
Finally, a topic that everyone can agree on regardless of political leaning. Some things are just not meant for children.
And it truly is a politically neutral sentiment. Even if you don't like the movie, Hollywood in general or think that only bigots are against it (personally, I don't care either way - not my thing, but go watch it if you want). Anyone who bothers to learn the difference, between the film and the book, will say that they are VERY different, and, that they should be considered two, completely, separate things.
One thing I always found strange, you have movies with all sorts of violence, guns, bombs, people and body parts, and blood flying everywhere that ok entertainment for kids and is rated "PG".
Show pair of bare breast and thats going to corupt the kids and must be rated "R". Just makes you wonder. 🤔
Not really.
Kids should NEVER see PG. PG IS NOT FOR KIDS. Is they move the adrighted PG kids would not be able to get into the movie theater without their parents. PG stands for Parental Guidance. So the grand conclusion is kids does not need to see anything PG and they do not need to see boobs. Safe to say you are the only one thinking that.
@@lillymorticia5836I think your correct, kids should not be exposed to either, just pointing out the hypocrisy of most people nowadays. Most people have the view that PG is ok entertainment for kids. Most movies are often rated "R" more for foul language over any violence in the movies. Just point out you drop a f bomb or show a nipple and people freak out, save rhe children, but crickets about gun violence or people being splattered all over the screen dead. Makes you wonder where some people morals lay, when sex is bad but murder is ok.
Well so many films that came out in 60s-80s that at the moment are rated PG used to have higher ratings when they first came out. My mom remembers some of those films original ratings, many being PG-13 before they were dropped to PG.
I'm sure it's an attempt to maximize more profits, especially true since we have parents bringing kids to watch R-rated films like Deadpool with almost no care.
You knew my parents then?
The wicked novel is definitely not for kids. That isn’t even a question.
Sounds interesting, I guess I skip the movie and read the book instead.
Apparently it's just "professionally" written Slash fanfic
Shocker! A story that glorifies evil contains evil.
It does not glorify evil? It’s an exploration, discussing where and why evil happens. You’d know this if you actually read the damm book
@nocty7356 it's a story to get you empathize with an evil character.
@@jrc99us The book is an exploration of the idea of evil and how people turn out like that. Gregory Maguire has gone in interviews he was inspired by recent horrific incidents at the time like the tragic death of James Bulger and how the two perpetrators of his deaths (both young children) had their life details and mugshots pasted on the British press, this caused a lot of people to ask “why would two children do such a thing?”
I read this book a long time ago, and it is not in the same category as the musical. It's a book that takes itself a bit too seriously and has sex and violence I don't think is appropriate for kids. They're making a mistake putting the movie characters on the cover to sell the book.
It was pretty poor judgment of the people who made the play to pick that particular book. Not terribly surprising about the book's contents though, since it was published in 1995. Since the 1970's and onward, science fiction and fantasy writing had been taken over by aristocratic degenerates with a particular interest in degeneracy involving children. (See Jon Del Arroz's videos about SFWA from 1970's onward, and people like Marion Zimmer Bradley in particular.)
Can you type the title, I can't find it despite me checking his channel.
@@minespatch He's made lots of videos, just search for "sfwa". He even posted one today.
tad (n.)
1877, "young or small child," U.S. colloquial, probably a shortened form of tadpole
I guess proper movie books are not a thing anymore ? Back in the day everything got books & junior novels
Why isn't there a rating system for books?
The movie , "Oz , the Great and Powerful" is quite good. Another greta piece of content from Midnight's Edge - and a warning to all parents!
It's pretty appropriate, but if the child's young... I recommend a child watching it with an adult. It does have a few brief scary screens for little ones.
They should adapt Blood Meridian into a kid movie next...
I'm waiting for the new Friday the 13th kids show.
Not since I saw a copy of A Clockwork Orange in the Childrens section of a bookshop, have I seen such classic snafu. At least that was mistake not profit gouging. What is next childrens pop-up edition of American Psycho? Colouring in book of Salo?
I remember when they were selling the novel with the cover being the poster for the play. Guess they didn't learn.
With all the book adaptions of movies out there, or vice versa, and with the cover looking like the movie, it's not that wild that a parent who knows that their child loved the movie and/or stage play would see it and think, "oh, what a fun Christmas gift to get my little Wicked fan!" ...and it's not like the back of the book is going to give these warnings, as the plots are loosely similar. I mean, if you saw the Narnia or Peter-Pan book, or even something like How To Train Your Dragon (which is based on a book, did you know? But they changed so much that it's not really the same story) and had a fan of those, would you think twice before giving your tween the book?
Ultimately, of course, I agree with people that it SHOULD be on the parents. I myself would never give my child something before giving it a full read or watch through first. But that's not standard practice today - look at the amount of parents, for example, who take their children to see something in theaters for the first time when it is released, and there is really no way of knowing the full content and how child appropriate it is. They assume it is or isn't, based on the marketing. Things like Moana 2, etc, people are going to assume is child-friendly and appropriate based on marketing and association. Likewise, a book like the original Peter Pan.
So, yes, it's the parent's responsibility ultimately, BUT this is still deceptive and predatory marketing that is a disgrace to the publisher and is absolutely going to end up with some kids traumatized.
Borrowed the series on CD for a 1200 mile drive years ago & they sucked. I let them play through because I didn't take a backup but they were crap.
You know it's bad when the people putting porn in the elementary school library are saying it's too much for children.
It is subversive to use euphemism "adult" for "diabolical" or "lewd". Adults are not lewd, they are chaste and modest. Folks of adult age, who be lewd, are either of stifled emotional development, or else are human bodies inhabited by diablolical souls, or infected by devils.
Does anyone else find it strange that some guy saw Wizard of Oz, and read the original Oz books, and the first thing that popped into his head was to write fan fiction full of bestiality, racism, and SA?
Yes, and no ... which is why I am interested in finding, or writing, more Oz appropriate fanfic.
My terminally woke aunt, who hates the rest of the family, loves that book. I think it's because the author sees the world the same way she does - even a fantasy world is racist, evil, and full of violence and depravity.
It is meant to about Evil and where it comes from, also how easily propaganda can spread
I would wonder if the original creators of the Broadway Musical had to go through this stuff as well when the play was first made.
Ok, yep. Someone cast a hex on this film for sure.
gee, that’s wicked
i'm sick of both dei and twinks, so i'm good.
Traumatized? Disgusted sure, but Traumatized? Just how mentally weak are people not a days that this could cause anyone to be traumatized.
Moral of the story:...get Pride and Prejudice and Zombies instead...or Sense and Sensibility and Seamonsters...or Android Karenina
Buy them Gulag Archipelago. They may learn something
Between this and the Mask, i'd say green skinned IPs get a lot of things reworked from source material to movie, lol.
You know, maybe _there was a reason_ the *Wicked* toys linked to a porn site at first xD
'WARNING THIS PRODUCT MAY ADVERSLY AFFECT YOUR TESTOSTERONE LEVELS' warning complete.
Plus the book is TERRIBLE. Just awful. The stage musical is much better.
What happened to putting MA?!
On book and cd covers all my akame ga kill books which cover similar dark themes have it in bold letters on the corner of the front cover.
Absolutely Maguire's Oz books are not for children!! Dark and bittersweet but well worth reading! I found them all very compelling! The musical and movie had to be extensively rewritten to emphasize The Message for a Modern Audience (both of which I have no interest in seeing)
And why the tag "fanfic" other than as a red flag for "I hated this and it shouldn't exist!" ? "I hated this" = Fanfic..."I loved it!" = Reimagined...
I do agree with the criticism of the rerelease of the book Wicked with the cover looking like the movie, it's a cheap shot for more sales but muddies the waters even more...
This whole thing is a mess. Why even make a play based off of it in the first place?
Guess there is cash to be grabbed.
Who invests in something called, 'wicked' thinking that they will get something wholesome? 🙄
The comment section is weird so early on this video...
I'm not surprised the original book was released in the 90s, as that was the decade when a lot of radical progressivism became in vogue among the young adults of the time.
For those not in the UK, do me a favour and take anything that the 'Daily Mail' spews out with a grain of salt. Now it may be a long while since I read 'Wicked', but I have no clue what the 'ritual murder' was. Yes, there was violence and murder, but it was within the broader context of the novel's exploration of injustice. Regarding the sexual assault, yes, it was in the book, but it wasn't graphic, and again, it was put within the context of the exploration of social injustice. What made me laugh is the 'beast****'. Okay. That is a huge stretch to call it that. So there are anthropomorphic animal-type creatures in the book that act, speak and behave as humans do, but to say that they are engaging in that activity when they get it on with human characters is a bit of a stretch. That would be like saying that Mr Tumnus from the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe getting it on with an adult female character would constitute the same act. So you see where I'm going with this? More sensationalist garbage from the daily mail to satiate the pearl-clutching 'think of the children' crusaders! No, I don't think that this is exactly children-friendly material, but neither is it some sort of degenerate hardcore content either!
Mr. Tumnus is in that weird class of half-human half-animal mythical creatures - he's a man from the waist up. Still not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of him being intimate with a human woman, but he's still way more human in his appearance and cognition than a creature like the Cowardly Lion. The bigger issue is, why would anyone write a novel about the sex lives of fantasy characters from classic children's books?
I don’t care about spoilers so would anyone who has read the book care to explain to me about all the adult content that happened in it?
If Wicked is bad, then I guess 6th graders shouldn't be reading Gilgamesh, Homer or Virgil.
If you ever wonder why America is having a literacy crisis it because of reasons like this.
Read The Book of Tom
the books are terrible
How Subversive
I checked the “porn” site it links to and all I saw were some low-key raunchy stuff but not a single bit of nudity nor immediate links to any videos. Mind you, I didn’t stay long and none of it would have even peaked my interest otherwise since, if I want actual porn, I already know where to go. But that mom does seem like she’s grifting for money since there is no way anything happened that needs $5,000,000 to fix.🤨
That's what I said in previous video - but the website is different now than it was THEN.
To be fair, this isn't particularly rare case. For example, quite a few fairy tales, including the ones Disney movies are based on, have material that is far from "kids friendly".
Sleeping Beauty comes to mind.
Cinderella too. The stepsisters cut off their toes and heels to try to fit into the slipper and the stepmother has metal boots strapped to her legs before molten metal is poured into them and she is made to "dance" to her death.
Yeah, but if you get one with a Disney cover, it probably doesn't feature that. And here we are.
My adult content isn't for kids. If anyone is a kid watching my adult content then why are you still there?
False advertising
Don't the leftist rules say they need to disavow the author just like they do with H.P. Lovecraft?
Are you just finding out about this?
Their is a snow balls chance in #ell that ill be reading this crap or watching the movies