geekbench is always nice to see for a baseline comparison, but the nuance of Apple Silicon and how it responds differently in variety of 3rd party apps, these types of real-world tests become highly relevant.
Great summary! I think I'll be sticking with my M1 Max for another year or two as I've yet to find a task it struggles with. Maybe if they do some big macbook pro refresh in the future I'll consider it, but for now it blows my mind how close a baseline M4 is to my M1 Max. So much better than the Macbooks of the 2010's
OH YES... My 2011 just died.... I loved it... but now I need a New one. I do not need FAST... I'm a writer... and am just now getting into filmmaking and screenplays... I do not think I need the New M4... I would love to have the 16" since I have always had a 17" But the New 16 M4 is around $4000. too rich for my blood. What do you recommend? Is there a 16" M1 Max?? I need a workhorse.
@@JudiChristopher If you want to save some bucks, there is always the M3/M2 15" Macbook Air. Large screen (not as big as 16" Macbook Pros but still big nonetheless), good battery life and ultra portable because of the weight, and it's more than powerful for most people.
Fr, I've been using the MacBook Pro M1, my first Mac ever, and it still runs as smoothly as it did on day one, from designing to rendering, no hiccups. Honestly, unless you're in that top 5% pushing crazy performance limits, this laptop has more than enough power.
@@ArthropodSpidey depends on the use cases of the users. Have you ever tried Apple Silicon? Ever pushed it beyond its limits, where you thought to yourself "hmm, this machine is too slow for me, I need an upgrade"??
@@SahandRahmdel Yes, because I'm a developer and photographer who actually uses my Macs to their full potential. It depends on the use cases of *ALL* users. That's why when an idiot says "absolutely no reason to upgrade", they're not speaking on behalf of all users. It's coping.
Yeah I'm still sticking with M1 Pro. I don't put out enough jobs on a daily basis for the extra speed to be worth it. 5 or 10 minutes longer isn't going to change the rate at which I get through jobs plus the machine still runs quiet and smooth.
Yeah in a lot of cases I feel like these small time improvements aren't all that important. But for me it's not about the 10 min export improvements but the actual working speed improvements, specifically with Lightroom at least. If I can flick through hundreds of event photos without any slow downs, that significantly increases my "flow state" while working and means I can get through everything with less stress. But I'm on an original M1 MBP (Not Pro or Max) so I guess it's running a lot slower for me anyway. Shaving a few minutes off the export time is also great for me because I always double check the photos and end up having to reexport a bunch of things over and over until I'm pleased.
Finally, a video that actually put it to the test! I just got the M4 Max 14-inch fully spec'd with 64GB RAM, and I'm pumped to try out the new noise reduction on DaVinci. Can’t wait to see how much faster I can edit now.
I just got the 16" M1 Max with 64gb and I feel the same way! It's no M4, but it has to be an improvement on my 2014 15" Macbook Pro with a Blackmagic eGPU. Took 4-5 Days at 24 hours a day to render a 90mins 4K film with colour correction, plenty of nodes, and noise reduction WITH the eGPU. Without the eGPU, the best calculation was weeks and weeks... and weeks ;-0) I think an important lesson I learned was: You can only work within your budget, but don't let that stop you!
@@DiegoJoseSJaime I went to the apple store about 2 hours ago to look at the new M4 chips and I'd have to say that the M4 Pro 24gb ran 4k stacked timelines very well (in FinalCut Pro). It surprised me with how well it ran and that was just the Pro not even the Max chip, so if you're looking to buy something, I would recommend probably the M4 Pro Max chip for all out efficiency.
My m2 pro max MacBook runs great with 4k even when color graded. It only chokes up when I run noise reduction and the plugin Dehancer on it since there’s so many effects and generative grain. For cortex my Mac has 2tb and 64gb ram/memory. It’s the 14inch model But yeah I’m curious to see how m4 would handle it. I’ll still wait to upgrade though because I’m happy with the performance I get. The battery life could be better though.
I have been on a base model M1 Pro 16” and love it. Mostly a photographer and freelance software engineer, but do some 4k videos on the side, nothing super intense. Performance is great and basically never gets in the way of my workflow. So really the question for 98% of people is what form factor do I like, and get the cheapest, oldest processor that will do all you want it to.
It was not only comparative, it was really an instructional video. I love it, I learned a few very useful tricks and ways to do things in a different way. Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to do these tests, the relevancy of of real-world tests is extremely usable info for folks like my considering upgrading M1 Max, thanks Tyler. Kinda understand why, but bummed to not see a glance at Final Cut tests. Hoping to see M4 excel, for the M3 vs M1 FCP tests were certainly underwhelming (which was very surprising!)
I just got a M4 MacBook Pro with 48gb of ram, I can’t wait to see how much faster I’m gonna be able to edit. I use a lot of noise reduction for real estate videos so I’m interested to see how’s it gonna handle it
i've got the M1 Max 16 macbook top spec with 4tb drive (purchased at launch) - I love it, its going strong without fault... I like new stuff, but my M1 is still solid 😢
Awesome set of tests and I although they weren’t my questions, I appreciated how you gave thoughtful answers to others in the comment section. Thanks for all the awesome vids!
Thanks for not simply regurgitating specs and generic benchmarks. Using real apps doing real things is refreshing. I am also blown away by the fact that the M4 was running on battery too. I wonder if the M1 would have fared better plugged in? Thanks for this review, this was super helpful and relevant.
I love love love my 16” MacBook Pro M1 Max. I bought it second hand a year ago for $3000 aud so I’m going to run with it for a little while longer before upgrading but thank you for showing the difference
Tyler I wish you would have matched it up with the M3 chip as well it’s great to see real life difference from all the series - thank you for the video, very insightful as always 😊
Love your content! Great video and very helpful. Could run a test with object removal in LR on all three machines? I know it’s cloud based but it would very interesting to see if there is any difference. Like two different examples with only one object to be removed and another with 5 or 6 smaller ones? That would be amazing! Thanks!
This was a PHENOMENAL video! Would love to see a bigger batch of denoise. Often times I’m denoising 200-250 photos at a time. This will be the make or break for me if it’s worth the upgrade from the M1 Max!
Such a helpful video! I'm going to be upgrading from an Intel 2020 iMac 27" before the end of the year, I'm pretty sure I'm going with the base m4 max 16" mbp with the glass upgrade.
This is encouraging to see. I edit using Davinci Studio on an older but high end 16c Threadripper PC that has a Radeon 24GB 7900xtx graphics card. I’m looking to upgrade and did a few tests with my M3 MacBook Air, unfortunately the M3 ground to a halt with a Node Structure using hallation, diffraction, film grain, blur and vignette. The GPU maxed out at 100%, barely playing 3fps of H264 10 bit 4.2.2 vision. My PC played the timeline in real time. Watching this video makes me believe that the M4 Pro might be able to do the job. Any thoughts please? I’d prefer to work on a Mac than a PC.
Thank you for the real world tests. I’m bored about benchmarks. The real time saving is what matters the most, especially the smoothness while working 👍🏻
Great review Tyler! The big takeaway for me was how capable the M1 Max still is (in many applications, if not all). I’m feeling vindicated for maxing out my M1 Max 4 years ago! 😊
My workflow is in FCP on a 16” M1 Max MBP. The speed issues I face with 4K TH-cam videos are using AI slow-mo in FCP and the export times. I’m on the fence about upgrading to the M4 Max MBP. I’m obviously not using the really high-end workflows shown here, but I wouldn’t mind a better display and more speed. Thoughts?
Mac mini m1 here and going strong 💪 NR and all the heavy fancy stuff can be applied in the end once the timeline is completed. I doubt any of us would be bothered waiting a few more minutes..
Thank you very much for these tests. They helped me make some decisions and confirmed what I suspected and experienced running Davinci Resolve. I also do a lot of Photo work using Affinity Photo and the rest of their suite. I just upgraded my base M1 Pro MacBook:Pro to the M4 Pro MacBook Pro and then went for the unbinned version which gave me two more performance cores and GPU cores with the 48G memory option - AI is a memory Hog. More cost effective than going for the M4 Max configuration in the MacBook. Now waiting to upgrade my base M1 Max Studio to the M4 Ultra Studio now based upon your tests. They showed the power of the Ultra chip - more about future proofing while the AI functions in both video and photo get all the more powerful. Great video and very useful to me.
Thanks for the video! What size hard drive did you go with on your M4 max? Also if possible can you list full specs of the M1 Max and M2 Ultra you are comparing? Curious how much ram they had because I see you went all out maxing out ram on your new laptop 😊
As much as you can afford, the biggest benefits of working on a local drive are workflow benifits not managing external drives. I try to keep my most recent 3 projects local at a time
Hi new subscriber here! Thanks for this review! I am between an 14 inch M4 pro chip with 14/20, 48 ram 2 tb.. OR an M4 MAX chip with 14/32, 36 ram and 2 tb for video editing. I recently bought and returned the M3 max on a 14 inch because it was starting to get hot already… I’m wondering if the M4 chips have the same heating issues and if getting an M4 pro chip with more ram or a MAX chip with extra memory bandwidth & GPU is better when it comes to editing? Thank you!! ☺️🙏🏼
Great video I'm still enjoying my m2 max I feel like a forgotten m chip line but it's great. I'm doing about 3 projects a week on 4k and with the new update to Adobe it's rendering is alot faster in the app and handles the ai enhancements. Great products. M4 max already looking so powerful
@@stalman True I think my upgrade will come in 4 to 5 years if ai keeps advancing like I think and the apps need more memory to run the new features. We are at the beginning but I know these features will change the way we create. Its a blessing to have a device like this cause I see if you want to be a content creator in modern age you got to have powerful devices to run the programs so it won't hinder your work flow. Love the video and the tracking you did on that scene with the words was crazy.
Bro all the youtubers are coping. I upgraded from a ryzen 3 based Pc to a M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14 (unbinned 10 core) last week (got it for 1000 dollars) and it is way powerful than my windows machine. No problems editing 4k videos with extreme colour grading/effects/motion graphics, you name it. Battery life is stellar (I'm in shock, it works for more than a heavy day for me on average). I am planning to keep this for as long as it stays, 4~5 years, maybe more. All the youtubers are trying to create a hype about why you should switch from M1 Max to M4 max but let me tell you, if you have M1 max, eve if you're a heavy creator, you're sorted for at least 5 more years easily. No need to upgrade and invest your earnings somewhere else, your laptop is absolutely perfect.
@@stalman there are still people rocking 2015 Macbooks to this day LOL, the M1 was a massive leap from Intel, and there will defo be people rocking 2021 M1 chips for a decade or more. Great video though dude!
great to see finally significant improvements from m1max to the latest m4 generation. They are all relevant when buying a new machine or you are editing on a daily basis. But for everyone else, stick with the m1pro/max or any later gen unless you really feel your workload gets stuck. Timelines should run smoothly, pictures should open instantly/apply changes almost immediately... no one cares if denoise takes 2 min or 3 min to render as you would be doing a different task in the meantime anyway.
Hi, always great to check your vids! Thanks for sharing this one! What’s your M4 Max config, can you please share? How much ram do you have, 36GB? SSD? Big thanks! Cheers.
I think if you are doing (or have been attempting to do) tasks which cannot be done by the M1 Max then it is worth upgrading but where something is just going to take you a bit longer and you are not pushed for time then probably not. If you do upgrade just for speed you will be in the same boat a few years down the line as the applications become increasingly sophisticated. I tend to upgrade only when things become a pain.
That was interesting, thanks! I’m more interested in the difference between the M4 Pro and Max because I’m thinking about upgrading from my M1 Pro and want to know if saving longer and getting the Max is necessary or not. Also, your intro and exit music is too loud for talking over.
Hello, I have a question. I have the MacBook M1 Pro with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. I’m now using Blender and Unreal Engine more often. Do you think it’s worth upgrading to the M4 Max, or would it be better to get a good PC and keep the M1 MacBook? Right now, I only have the MacBook, which I use as my main computer. If I got a new MacBook, I could use it both outdoors and indoors.
Ah that’s a tough one for me, since I don’t do any 3D. I know you would well served by the M4 Max, it’s the best a Mac gpu has ever been, but you will always get more bang for your buck with the PC That’s assuming you mean PC desktop, the laptops are way behind Mac’s
Ah! Thanks for including Denoise AI. I'm not the target for these $$$ Macs, but Denoise is a (lovely) issue. I'm the content manager for a K8 school. I took a science fair photo that included a 3rd grader with freckles, and Adobe Denoise AI removed the ISO 20,000 noise WITHOUT touching the freckles. That is insane and wonderful. I now trust Denoise for batch processing.
I've never been this early to a video. great comparison! Glad the 3nm IS making a difference.Loved the examples of resolve as I shoot 6.5k BRAW and instead of upgrading I may have to choose a tower to render as I edit on the go, on my laptop.
Great video! I’d be interested to see how real time play back looks on davinci resolve when working in fusion and/or applying heavy effects. Overall performance in general using resolve would be great also, given resolve is free, I’d figure a lot of people would be interested in knowing this feedback.
Great video. I'd be interested to see how the M4 MAX handles image exports compared to the others. I briefly tried an M1 MAX Studio when my Intel i5 laptop was in the shop. It was simply mind-blowing. The Studio shaved about 80% of my workflow time. I think an M4 MAX would shave a good chunk of time off the M1 MAX. But it wouldn't be as dramatic. I think I would go with an M4 Pro for a portable workstation. It's a $800 upgrade to M4 MAX and just don't think the improvements would be worth it. The differences are a bit more dramatic on the tougher end of things. Which I won't be doing often. Then, I'll get an M4 MAX with the Studio when that's available. I forgot how gorgeous that Apple XDR display is. It's the first time in a video where, even it's not the topic, does justice to it. In person, it's absolutely stunning.
Phenomenal video! FINALLY useful examples and tests that reflect daily workflows 👍 My M1 Ultra is still doing pretty amazing work. It lags the M2 Ultra, but not by a huge margin. I think I'm going to hold onto my M1 Max MBP but upgrade my Mac Studio to the next Ultra when it comes out because the Ultra SoC is an absolute beast. ....or I'll just cave and buy an M4 Max MBP right away and then ALSO buy the M4 Ultra 🤣
This is what we are missing. a real world test without all the benchmark, thx :) For now, me and the person I brain storm with are hesitating between the pro and max for photo and video editing. Not the speed (because we can wait few more minutes for exports), but for the smoothness. For example, the responsiveness of Lightroom or capture one when moving a slider. I know that you don't own a pro version (only max), but do you notice more responsiveness between M1 and M4 max ?
I need more memory, I’m just stuck between getting the base M4 Pro with 24 being 8 more than mine vs the 48 gb ram, feel like it’s a solid deal and it’ll last me even longer, but don’t know if it’s overkill. I started building websites on no code platforms and have a bunch of pages of editors open and my base M1 Pro is starting to get slow.
depends a lot on your usage. I have the mac mini m2 pro and for my workflow (I'm a professional colorist working on DR), GPU cores has the greatest impact on performance. I'm planning on grabbing the mac studio m4 max, it should be at least twice as fast on playback and rendering, so for me, it's definitely worth the wait, since i don't have a use for a notebook
@ will you go with the base or upgraded Max chip? I’m editing in Resolve with mirrorless footage and using minimal effects. Text, speed ramps, motion blur. And doing all my color grading in Resolve.
@@JoshBirman I'm not sure what is your current setup, but from your use case, the m4 pro might be enough for most of the situations. My workflow consists of 20+ nodes with NR, Grain, vfx on a lot of projects so having a smoother playback (at least half resolution) it's super important for me. Since I live in Brasil, things are super expensive here (at least 8x more of the US prices) so the base m4 max studio should be enough regarding price and performance. Hopefully they release it Q1/2 next year, so it would be a nice time for me to upgrade.
@@JoshBirman My use case is pretty specific, that's why i'll be waiting for the mac studio. I also don't do any edit, only color grading, so i have some idea on the limitations of this computers, specially for the GPU part (which it's still the weakest point on this chips) But for the majority of the people, the m4 pro should be a pretty awesome machine, especially with this new mac mini redesign, even though i hate that they removed the usb-a ports :(
Those were all excellent test, I am very curious to know what the Ram configuration was for each machine though? I'm just wondering if that could affect some of the tests.
I am very confused if I should get the M4 Pro 48GB or M4 Max 64GB. I am coming from an old Intel Macbook. I know I don't need the power difference, my main objective is the extra RAM. Sucks that Apple didn't provide the 64GB option on the M4 Pro when they did on the same chipset on the Mini. Can you suggest in what cases would I need 64GB RAM? I do photo + video editing + software development. Thanks!
If you don't know if you need it, you probably don't need it. Unless you're editing multiple 8K streams, working with heavy After Effects compositions, doing complex 3D work, mixing hundreds of music tracks, running multiple VMs, or training ML models. Basically, if you're already maxing out your RAM, you'll know you need more.
would love to see a similar test to this, but with the M4 Pro chip. It seems like a really good value this year and I feel like for the most part, it would be a really solid option for people who dont need the extra GPU horsepower.
Am not a tech guy: But I see many reviews say that there is significant boost performance in CPU and GPU from last year model. Do you recommend upgrading from m3 pro to m4 pro?
I love this computer. I have a 2015 MBP and I don’t do any power-house work that would require it. But I want it! I have an M2 mini which handles Logic Pro great. I should probably just get an air!
Wondering if I made a mistake by ordering the M4 MacBook Pro with only 16gb of RAM? I'll basically be doing projects like your Peru video in FCPX, not much more complicated than that. Wondering if I should return and upgrade to at least 32gb of RAM.
The 60/76 core GPU in the M2 Ultra is going to make a big difference in a TON of AI tasks compared to the M4 Max 32/40 core. Even with improved cores, that's just a lot more capability. That M4 Max is really impressive regardless. Especially with the hardware video codec encoder/decoder updates.
Just got my MacBook Pro 14” Nano 48 gig ram 2tb and it is so so nice…. There were a couple of micro chips on some sharp edges 😂out of the box but what ever
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Can someone please list all of the plugins/programs used in this video? they all seem like marvelous tools for content creators! please :,)
RotoAI from motionvfx mvfx.co/Tyler_mRotoAI
Stalman LUTs stalman.com/shop
Reblum retouch (20% off) reblum.app/p/VXP.6532
Topaz Lab video topazlabs.com
@@stalman would love to see a video on your top 10 most used plug-ins across video and photo applications.
Nice to see someone actually use apps and test these machines properly rather than just constant benchmark scores!
geekbench is always nice to see for a baseline comparison, but the nuance of Apple Silicon and how it responds differently in variety of 3rd party apps, these types of real-world tests become highly relevant.
@ exactly that
Great summary! I think I'll be sticking with my M1 Max for another year or two as I've yet to find a task it struggles with. Maybe if they do some big macbook pro refresh in the future I'll consider it, but for now it blows my mind how close a baseline M4 is to my M1 Max. So much better than the Macbooks of the 2010's
OH YES... My 2011 just died.... I loved it... but now I need a New one.
I do not need FAST... I'm a writer... and am just now getting into filmmaking and screenplays...
I do not think I need the New M4...
I would love to have the 16" since I have always had a 17"
But the New 16 M4 is around $4000. too rich for my blood.
What do you recommend? Is there a 16" M1 Max??
I need a workhorse.
@@JudiChristopheryes there is a 16 inch M1 Max…
@@JudiChristopher If you want to save some bucks, there is always the M3/M2 15" Macbook Air. Large screen (not as big as 16" Macbook Pros but still big nonetheless), good battery life and ultra portable because of the weight, and it's more than powerful for most people.
Still absolutely no real reason to upgrade from my m1 pro. and the m1 pro i have is without a doubt my favorite computer of all time
Are you coping? 🤣
What specs do you have on the M1 Pro?
Fr, I've been using the MacBook Pro M1, my first Mac ever, and it still runs as smoothly as it did on day one, from designing to rendering, no hiccups. Honestly, unless you're in that top 5% pushing crazy performance limits, this laptop has more than enough power.
@@ArthropodSpidey depends on the use cases of the users. Have you ever tried Apple Silicon? Ever pushed it beyond its limits, where you thought to yourself "hmm, this machine is too slow for me, I need an upgrade"??
@@SahandRahmdel Yes, because I'm a developer and photographer who actually uses my Macs to their full potential.
It depends on the use cases of *ALL* users. That's why when an idiot says "absolutely no reason to upgrade", they're not speaking on behalf of all users. It's coping.
Yeah I'm still sticking with M1 Pro. I don't put out enough jobs on a daily basis for the extra speed to be worth it. 5 or 10 minutes longer isn't going to change the rate at which I get through jobs plus the machine still runs quiet and smooth.
Exactly. Once they do the redesign in 2025 or 2026 then I'll definitely upgrade. No point in upgrading now when my M1 Pro works 100% fine.
Yeah in a lot of cases I feel like these small time improvements aren't all that important. But for me it's not about the 10 min export improvements but the actual working speed improvements, specifically with Lightroom at least. If I can flick through hundreds of event photos without any slow downs, that significantly increases my "flow state" while working and means I can get through everything with less stress. But I'm on an original M1 MBP (Not Pro or Max) so I guess it's running a lot slower for me anyway.
Shaving a few minutes off the export time is also great for me because I always double check the photos and end up having to reexport a bunch of things over and over until I'm pleased.
Finally, a video that actually put it to the test! I just got the M4 Max 14-inch fully spec'd with 64GB RAM, and I'm pumped to try out the new noise reduction on DaVinci. Can’t wait to see how much faster I can edit now.
Let me know, I struggle with complex video editing with my M1 Pro 16GB MBP. I wanna see if it's worth the upgrade finally.
I just got the 16" M1 Max with 64gb and I feel the same way! It's no M4, but it has to be an improvement on my 2014 15" Macbook Pro with a Blackmagic eGPU. Took 4-5 Days at 24 hours a day to render a 90mins 4K film with colour correction, plenty of nodes, and noise reduction WITH the eGPU. Without the eGPU, the best calculation was weeks and weeks... and weeks ;-0) I think an important lesson I learned was: You can only work within your budget, but don't let that stop you!
@@DiegoJoseSJaime I went to the apple store about 2 hours ago to look at the new M4 chips and I'd have to say that the M4 Pro 24gb ran 4k stacked timelines very well (in FinalCut Pro). It surprised me with how well it ran and that was just the Pro not even the Max chip, so if you're looking to buy something, I would recommend probably the M4 Pro Max chip for all out efficiency.
My m2 pro max MacBook runs great with 4k even when color graded. It only chokes up when I run noise reduction and the plugin Dehancer on it since there’s so many effects and generative grain.
For cortex my Mac has 2tb and 64gb ram/memory. It’s the 14inch model
But yeah I’m curious to see how m4 would handle it. I’ll still wait to upgrade though because I’m happy with the performance I get. The battery life could be better though.
@AlexRistow Did you get the Nano Texture Display? I got the same MBP but 16 inch model instead
I have been on a base model M1 Pro 16” and love it. Mostly a photographer and freelance software engineer, but do some 4k videos on the side, nothing super intense. Performance is great and basically never gets in the way of my workflow. So really the question for 98% of people is what form factor do I like, and get the cheapest, oldest processor that will do all you want it to.
But yeah if you are making awesome videos with tracking etc go big 😂
It was not only comparative, it was really an instructional video. I love it, I learned a few very useful tricks and ways to do things in a different way. Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to do these tests, the relevancy of of real-world tests is extremely usable info for folks like my considering upgrading M1 Max, thanks Tyler. Kinda understand why, but bummed to not see a glance at Final Cut tests. Hoping to see M4 excel, for the M3 vs M1 FCP tests were certainly underwhelming (which was very surprising!)
I just got a M4 MacBook Pro with 48gb of ram, I can’t wait to see how much faster I’m gonna be able to edit. I use a lot of noise reduction for real estate videos so I’m interested to see how’s it gonna handle it
Let us know! I have an m2 with 64gb of ram and it struggles. I’m interested what the m4 is like
Love the review. You actually ran several tests and side by side comparisons in real time. Very different from all the other reviews.
Thank you.
i've got the M1 Max 16 macbook top spec with 4tb drive (purchased at launch) - I love it, its going strong without fault... I like new stuff, but my M1 is still solid 😢
This video is way more useful than any other bench mark video that I’ve seen. Thank you.
Awesome set of tests and I although they weren’t my questions, I appreciated how you gave thoughtful answers to others in the comment section. Thanks for all the awesome vids!
Thanks for not simply regurgitating specs and generic benchmarks. Using real apps doing real things is refreshing. I am also blown away by the fact that the M4 was running on battery too. I wonder if the M1 would have fared better plugged in? Thanks for this review, this was super helpful and relevant.
Great video Tyler! I need to start using that AI masking option in DaVinci Resolve more often now
The Only Review I was waiting, Thanks Tyler!
You know a product is phenomenal when it’s still being compared to the latest and greatest
I really hope someone does this kinda testing with the base m4 Mini, I just want to see how it stacks up
There are already benchmarks out there. It destroys every other Mac in single core performance.
@@ArthropodSpideyI have only seen the synthetic stuff, Id like to see real usage and timeline/export times like Stalman has
Thank you for doing a video export review. it's greatly appreciated.
I love love love my 16” MacBook Pro M1 Max. I bought it second hand a year ago for $3000 aud so I’m going to run with it for a little while longer before upgrading but thank you for showing the difference
Time for an upgrade, thanks ty
Thanks for the fantastic comparative review Tyler! The only thing that I would like to see additionally is a LRC export test. Thanks again!
Tyler I wish you would have matched it up with the M3 chip as well it’s great to see real life difference from all the series - thank you for the video, very insightful as always 😊
Love your content! Great video and very helpful. Could run a test with object removal in LR on all three machines? I know it’s cloud based but it would very interesting to see if there is any difference. Like two different examples with only one object to be removed and another with 5 or 6 smaller ones? That would be amazing! Thanks!
This was a PHENOMENAL video! Would love to see a bigger batch of denoise. Often times I’m denoising 200-250 photos at a time. This will be the make or break for me if it’s worth the upgrade from the M1 Max!
Great video! Nice to see real results without the typical geekbench scores which means nothing to us creators!
The best review so far! Thank you so much!
It’s really incredible how good Apple’s silicon team has been. It’s just so damn impressive
Such a helpful video! I'm going to be upgrading from an Intel 2020 iMac 27" before the end of the year, I'm pretty sure I'm going with the base m4 max 16" mbp with the glass upgrade.
Really helpful video Tyler, also really want to see exactly the same testing in M4 and M4 Pro.
cool vid! my m1max w/64g ram is still OP with 5/6k raw video, so i'll wait until it finally struggles.
This is encouraging to see. I edit using Davinci Studio on an older but high end 16c Threadripper PC that has a Radeon 24GB 7900xtx graphics card. I’m looking to upgrade and did a few tests with my M3 MacBook Air, unfortunately the M3 ground to a halt with a Node Structure using hallation, diffraction, film grain, blur and vignette. The GPU maxed out at 100%, barely playing 3fps of H264 10 bit 4.2.2 vision. My PC played the timeline in real time. Watching this video makes me believe that the M4 Pro might be able to do the job. Any thoughts please? I’d prefer to work on a Mac than a PC.
Could you test in Topaz VEAI a simple 2X upscale from 1080P to 4K on the M1 Max, M4 Max and M2 Ultra?
Thank you for the real world tests. I’m bored about benchmarks. The real time saving is what matters the most, especially the smoothness while working 👍🏻
Waiting for my m4 max to get in… however now I am second guessing whether I should have gotten the matte screen
Hmm….
Great review Tyler! The big takeaway for me was how capable the M1 Max still is (in many applications, if not all). I’m feeling vindicated for maxing out my M1 Max 4 years ago! 😊
It can still handle all these workflows, which is impressive remembering that the Intels could not.
My workflow is in FCP on a 16” M1 Max MBP. The speed issues I face with 4K TH-cam videos are using AI slow-mo in FCP and the export times. I’m on the fence about upgrading to the M4 Max MBP.
I’m obviously not using the really high-end workflows shown here, but I wouldn’t mind a better display and more speed. Thoughts?
Mac mini m1 here and going strong 💪
NR and all the heavy fancy stuff can be applied in the end once the timeline is completed. I doubt any of us would be bothered waiting a few more minutes..
I have a base M1 Macbook Pro
Would upgrading to the M4 be worth it?
Thank you very much for these tests. They helped me make some decisions and confirmed what I suspected and experienced running Davinci Resolve. I also do a lot of Photo work using Affinity Photo and the rest of their suite. I just upgraded my base M1 Pro MacBook:Pro to the M4 Pro MacBook Pro and then went for the unbinned version which gave me two more performance cores and GPU cores with the 48G memory option - AI is a memory Hog. More cost effective than going for the M4 Max configuration in the MacBook. Now waiting to upgrade my base M1 Max Studio to the M4 Ultra Studio now based upon your tests. They showed the power of the Ultra chip - more about future proofing while the AI functions in both video and photo get all the more powerful. Great video and very useful to me.
I’m planning to get the new MacBook. Which one will you recommend? I plan to play games and run AI.
Watching this on the m4 pro max ;)
Thanks for the video! What size hard drive did you go with on your M4 max? Also if possible can you list full specs of the M1 Max and M2 Ultra you are comparing? Curious how much ram they had because I see you went all out maxing out ram on your new laptop 😊
As much as you can afford, the biggest benefits of working on a local drive are workflow benifits not managing external drives. I try to keep my most recent 3 projects local at a time
wasn't watching your TH-cam some time , and you did quite a good job nice video
A video i was looking for, thanks!
Best review by far.
Are there any performance differences between the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros with the M4 Max chip?
Hi new subscriber here! Thanks for this review! I am between an 14 inch M4 pro chip with 14/20, 48 ram 2 tb..
OR an M4 MAX chip with 14/32, 36 ram and 2 tb for video editing. I recently bought and returned the M3 max on a 14 inch because it was starting to get hot already… I’m wondering if the M4 chips have the same heating issues and if getting an M4 pro chip with more ram or a MAX chip with extra memory bandwidth & GPU is better when it comes to editing? Thank you!! ☺️🙏🏼
Great video I'm still enjoying my m2 max I feel like a forgotten m chip line but it's great. I'm doing about 3 projects a week on 4k and with the new update to Adobe it's rendering is alot faster in the app and handles the ai enhancements. Great products. M4 max already looking so powerful
M2 Max is probably all you need
@@stalman True I think my upgrade will come in 4 to 5 years if ai keeps advancing like I think and the apps need more memory to run the new features. We are at the beginning but I know these features will change the way we create. Its a blessing to have a device like this cause I see if you want to be a content creator in modern age you got to have powerful devices to run the programs so it won't hinder your work flow. Love the video and the tracking you did on that scene with the words was crazy.
@@stalmancan u put details on wich PC setup Windows u was not able to render 5k video with strong noise reduction
Dumb question, but I assume upgrading from an intel i9 MacBook Pro would be worthwhile? Programming and light photo editing
Best video I found thank you so much you got a new subscriber!
Bro all the youtubers are coping. I upgraded from a ryzen 3 based Pc to a M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14 (unbinned 10 core) last week (got it for 1000 dollars) and it is way powerful than my windows machine. No problems editing 4k videos with extreme colour grading/effects/motion graphics, you name it. Battery life is stellar (I'm in shock, it works for more than a heavy day for me on average). I am planning to keep this for as long as it stays, 4~5 years, maybe more. All the youtubers are trying to create a hype about why you should switch from M1 Max to M4 max but let me tell you, if you have M1 max, eve if you're a heavy creator, you're sorted for at least 5 more years easily. No need to upgrade and invest your earnings somewhere else, your laptop is absolutely perfect.
9 years? The M1 is great but that might be a stretch
Sure you did. Windows is for old men.
All M1 machines are fantastic it's true. But M4 is a sizable upgrade from an M1... finally. M3 wasn't cutting it for me but M4 tips the scale.
@@stalman there are still people rocking 2015 Macbooks to this day LOL, the M1 was a massive leap from Intel, and there will defo be people rocking 2021 M1 chips for a decade or more. Great video though dude!
@@ScottThePisces The only people rocking m1 for a decade are senior citizen people whose entire online existence is banking and weather
That background in the first shot looks sick!!!!!!!
great to see finally significant improvements from m1max to the latest m4 generation. They are all relevant when buying a new machine or you are editing on a daily basis. But for everyone else, stick with the m1pro/max or any later gen unless you really feel your workload gets stuck. Timelines should run smoothly, pictures should open instantly/apply changes almost immediately... no one cares if denoise takes 2 min or 3 min to render as you would be doing a different task in the meantime anyway.
Hi, always great to check your vids! Thanks for sharing this one! What’s your M4 Max config, can you please share? How much ram do you have, 36GB? SSD? Big thanks! Cheers.
The specs are listed at 46 sec
I think if you are doing (or have been attempting to do) tasks which cannot be done by the M1 Max then it is worth upgrading but where something is just going to take you a bit longer and you are not pushed for time then probably not. If you do upgrade just for speed you will be in the same boat a few years down the line as the applications become increasingly sophisticated. I tend to upgrade only when things become a pain.
That was interesting, thanks! I’m more interested in the difference between the M4 Pro and Max because I’m thinking about upgrading from my M1 Pro and want to know if saving longer and getting the Max is necessary or not. Also, your intro and exit music is too loud for talking over.
Hello, I have a question. I have the MacBook M1 Pro with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. I’m now using Blender and Unreal Engine more often. Do you think it’s worth upgrading to the M4 Max, or would it be better to get a good PC and keep the M1 MacBook? Right now, I only have the MacBook, which I use as my main computer. If I got a new MacBook, I could use it both outdoors and indoors.
Ah that’s a tough one for me, since I don’t do any 3D. I know you would well served by the M4 Max, it’s the best a Mac gpu has ever been, but you will always get more bang for your buck with the PC
That’s assuming you mean PC desktop, the laptops are way behind Mac’s
My M1 Max is fine but im going for the M4 as I currently have a studio and could do with a laptop and also thinking about resale value of the M1.
Ah! Thanks for including Denoise AI. I'm not the target for these $$$ Macs, but Denoise is a (lovely) issue. I'm the content manager for a K8 school. I took a science fair photo that included a 3rd grader with freckles, and Adobe Denoise AI removed the ISO 20,000 noise WITHOUT touching the freckles. That is insane and wonderful. I now trust Denoise for batch processing.
I’m still using a Coffee Lake 2018 15”MBP. 😢 Even the A18 Pro in my 16PM scores double in Geekbench.
love the tests! that last one was particularly mind blowing haha!
Thanks for the tests !
I've never been this early to a video. great comparison! Glad the 3nm IS making a difference.Loved the examples of resolve as I shoot 6.5k BRAW and instead of upgrading I may have to choose a tower to render as I edit on the go, on my laptop.
Great video! I’d be interested to see how real time play back looks on davinci resolve when working in fusion and/or applying heavy effects. Overall performance in general using resolve would be great also, given resolve is free, I’d figure a lot of people would be interested in knowing this feedback.
Great video. I'd be interested to see how the M4 MAX handles image exports compared to the others. I briefly tried an M1 MAX Studio when my Intel i5 laptop was in the shop. It was simply mind-blowing. The Studio shaved about 80% of my workflow time. I think an M4 MAX would shave a good chunk of time off the M1 MAX. But it wouldn't be as dramatic. I think I would go with an M4 Pro for a portable workstation. It's a $800 upgrade to M4 MAX and just don't think the improvements would be worth it. The differences are a bit more dramatic on the tougher end of things. Which I won't be doing often. Then, I'll get an M4 MAX with the Studio when that's available.
I forgot how gorgeous that Apple XDR display is. It's the first time in a video where, even it's not the topic, does justice to it. In person, it's absolutely stunning.
I'm on a MacBook Air but, I do wanna start using Davinci on it soon so...thinking about the upgrade.
Phenomenal video! FINALLY useful examples and tests that reflect daily workflows 👍 My M1 Ultra is still doing pretty amazing work. It lags the M2 Ultra, but not by a huge margin. I think I'm going to hold onto my M1 Max MBP but upgrade my Mac Studio to the next Ultra when it comes out because the Ultra SoC is an absolute beast. ....or I'll just cave and buy an M4 Max MBP right away and then ALSO buy the M4 Ultra 🤣
This is what we are missing. a real world test without all the benchmark, thx :) For now, me and the person I brain storm with are hesitating between the pro and max for photo and video editing. Not the speed (because we can wait few more minutes for exports), but for the smoothness. For example, the responsiveness of Lightroom or capture one when moving a slider. I know that you don't own a pro version (only max), but do you notice more responsiveness between M1 and M4 max ?
You forgot Optical flow / Warp with h265 in 8k ... does it plays back still ? thanks
I have the M1 Pro and really wanted to upgrade but I think I can hold off one more year for the M5 (hopefully different design)
really curious about the painting to the left of you! looks cool, who did it?
I need more memory, I’m just stuck between getting the base M4 Pro with 24 being 8 more than mine vs the 48 gb ram, feel like it’s a solid deal and it’ll last me even longer, but don’t know if it’s overkill. I started building websites on no code platforms and have a bunch of pages of editors open and my base M1 Pro is starting to get slow.
Great video!! Do you think the upgraded M4 Pro chip is enough for video editing or is the Max chip necessary?
depends a lot on your usage. I have the mac mini m2 pro and for my workflow (I'm a professional colorist working on DR), GPU cores has the greatest impact on performance. I'm planning on grabbing the mac studio m4 max, it should be at least twice as fast on playback and rendering, so for me, it's definitely worth the wait, since i don't have a use for a notebook
@ will you go with the base or upgraded Max chip? I’m editing in Resolve with mirrorless footage and using minimal effects. Text, speed ramps, motion blur. And doing all my color grading in Resolve.
@@JoshBirman I'm not sure what is your current setup, but from your use case, the m4 pro might be enough for most of the situations. My workflow consists of 20+ nodes with NR, Grain, vfx on a lot of projects so having a smoother playback (at least half resolution) it's super important for me.
Since I live in Brasil, things are super expensive here (at least 8x more of the US prices) so the base m4 max studio should be enough regarding price and performance. Hopefully they release it Q1/2 next year, so it would be a nice time for me to upgrade.
@ Oh dang! Yeah, I don’t do anything close to that kind of node tree 😄
@@JoshBirman My use case is pretty specific, that's why i'll be waiting for the mac studio.
I also don't do any edit, only color grading, so i have some idea on the limitations of this computers, specially for the GPU part (which it's still the weakest point on this chips)
But for the majority of the people, the m4 pro should be a pretty awesome machine, especially with this new mac mini redesign, even though i hate that they removed the usb-a ports :(
These are fun to watch!
Those were all excellent test, I am very curious to know what the Ram configuration was for each machine though? I'm just wondering if that could affect some of the tests.
M4 was 128, ultra was 128, m1 was 64
@@stalman maybe good to mention that in the video or a pinned comment. I'd like to see M1 Max 64 vs M4 Max 64
I’m finally upgrading from my 2018 mbp🙏🏼
Same. I’ve got a quote for an M4 MAX. Just waiting on a few more of these reviews
Would love to see some Lightroom classic tests using two monitors in Grid, Loupe and Develop mode.
I am very confused if I should get the M4 Pro 48GB or M4 Max 64GB. I am coming from an old Intel Macbook. I know I don't need the power difference, my main objective is the extra RAM. Sucks that Apple didn't provide the 64GB option on the M4 Pro when they did on the same chipset on the Mini. Can you suggest in what cases would I need 64GB RAM? I do photo + video editing + software development. Thanks!
If you don't know if you need it, you probably don't need it. Unless you're editing multiple 8K streams, working with heavy After Effects compositions, doing complex 3D work, mixing hundreds of music tracks, running multiple VMs, or training ML models. Basically, if you're already maxing out your RAM, you'll know you need more.
@AbdonPhirathon makes sense, thank you. Certainly not maxing it out.
great review! waiting for m4 max. upgrading from i9. topaz video takes soooooo long.
Hey Tyler, what is that blue case on your iPhone?
Can you specify the configuration on that laptop? Memory hard drive etc.
Yup, it’s a the start of the video
I have the M1 Pro and I think I’m considering it. Especially with video editing.
Very cool. I wish you had tested FCP optical Flow. That is really the only thing that’s getting on my nerves as it’s Pretty Slow on my M1 Max
would love to see a similar test to this, but with the M4 Pro chip. It seems like a really good value this year and I feel like for the most part, it would be a really solid option for people who dont need the extra GPU horsepower.
great video
It looks like the black color definitely catches more of the oils from the fingers, especially on the track pad, compared to starlight color
Thanks for the video! Could you do some tracking and motion graphics/text animation in Davinci Resolve Fusion by any chance?
Thanks. Great testing and insights.
Am not a tech guy:
But I see many reviews say that there is significant boost performance in CPU and GPU from last year model.
Do you recommend upgrading from m3 pro to m4 pro?
don't upgrade!!!!!
what are the memory specs on each of the 3 computers?
I love this computer. I have a 2015 MBP and I don’t do any power-house work that would require it. But I want it!
I have an M2 mini which handles Logic Pro great.
I should probably just get an air!
Wondering if I made a mistake by ordering the M4 MacBook Pro with only 16gb of RAM? I'll basically be doing projects like your Peru video in FCPX, not much more complicated than that.
Wondering if I should return and upgrade to at least 32gb of RAM.
The more memory the better you will feel!!
I’d be curious to see how much faster is final cut at exporting 1 hour 4K 60fps project.
Can you do some video format conversions in handbrake? Like batch convert some videos so they will use less space by compressing them
Would you expect relatively similar performance gains going from similarly spec'd M1 Pro to M4 Pro chips?
I haven’t tested but expect so. Last year the Max took a huge jump but Pro was a little behind. This year the Pro took a big jump.
The 60/76 core GPU in the M2 Ultra is going to make a big difference in a TON of AI tasks compared to the M4 Max 32/40 core. Even with improved cores, that's just a lot more capability. That M4 Max is really impressive regardless. Especially with the hardware video codec encoder/decoder updates.
Hey man, what's the background music in the intro?
Just got my MacBook Pro 14” Nano 48 gig ram 2tb and it is so so nice…. There were a couple of micro chips on some sharp edges 😂out of the box but what ever