EXTREME TOOL TESTING Harbor Freight’s Hercules Ultra Torque Impact! SHOCKING Results!!!
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To be fair, your Milwaukee power tool comes with 1 battery and 1 charger. When buying the Hercules Ultra Torque, you purchased 2 batteries and a charger. Based on your receipt each battery was $69.99. If you simple purchased "item for item" (1 tool, 1 battery and 1 charger) the actual comparison ( based on your receipt in slowmo) would be Milwaukee $449.00 -vs- Harbor Freight $284.97. What you also didn't mention...... You compared the Harbor Freight purchase after tax with an "additional battery" to the Milwaukee's 449.99 without tax. The true price comparison is the Milwaukee price of $485.98 after tax -vs- the Harbor Freight $383.36 with an extra battery. Which means you can work twice as long for $102.00 less, with a solid tool (based on your video). Sorry, but, I have to roll with Harbor on this one. Great Video!!!!!!!I look forward to seeing more.
Gotta love people who review items starting out biased don't matter if it's tools ,cars etc.if u can't go into it with a open mind don't do it
Right now Home Depot has the fuel high torque with 2 5.0ah M18 batteries and charger for $450 plus tax.
Hercules ultra torque $189 + $75 per battery + basic charger is $384 plus tax if you get 2 batteries. About $65 in savings. Not a lot.
I think the value is the availability to get a 8/12ah battery and fan cooled charger for not much more than a basic Milwaukee set up.
@bmwmsport11 I assume that is a sale cause that is not list price. If so that isn't a great comparison unless you also compare hecules on sale. Which right now you can get a hercules 1/2 impact ultra torque, 3/8 impact, impact driver, 2, 5 amp hour batteries 1, 2 amp hour battery and a charger for 370 bucks. Please show me a milwaukee deal like that. Now I use milwaukke all the time for work but hercules is definitely cheaper.
Test it without shut off function and you will get 2,000 ft lbs for sure. I just seen it do it and struggled with 2,100 but did it.
it's 249 plus tax right now.
Being able 2 return them over the counter without issue BEATS ANYTHING! What the hell you mean bro, this str8 up poops on the competition just for the return policy
The bare tool is $359 for Milwaukee generation 2 and Hercules is $199.00( without coupon). Milwaukee has many options. I'm leaving the red for blue the 5 year warranty and go to the store is a win for me. I'm an ITC member for harbor freight so randomly get the 25% coupon no exclusions.. I have the gun it Will take me like 2 more months to get the charger and battery but I'm transitioning to blue , I still have my reds
I love how you could tell he was genuinely wanting it to be awful, but was very surprised with the quality
Just to be clear. My work was completely leveled by a tornado in December and this impact as well as the Hercules 3/8 impact were laying in 1 inch of AW46, 1540 oil, and rain water and still works like it did out of the box. I love Hercules
The Hercules is definitely pro level. I have both the Milwaukee which had the early version of the Milwaukee for years and finally figured since they have a spring sale try the Hercules and honestly surprised how good it is. I did suspension work on a friend car the other day and had zero issues with it removing rusted bolts off. It built well with glass fiber impregnated plastic like the Milwaukee so sure hold up. I did order a gen 4 Milwaukee be nice to see how they compare to each other.
The price for quality and performance and the fact you get 5 years warranty and 3 years on the battery, is a good price. I dropped the Hercules grinder off off a roof when cutting pipes for a HVAC unit cracking the bottom casing as fell out of bag when climbing down, but tool still worked, walk into store and they swapped it out without zero issues. Yes you can get it much cheaper if you wait for the sales. Much got the battery and charger for free. Agree the charger is slow and yes had the bad smell to it. They do have a 8 amp fan cool charger now for sale.
Ima take a wild guess by your list of fluids puddled on the ground you work in heavy equipment/diesel repair…. How does that 1/2 inch impact work for you??
@RichardBolger-c5b yes sir. I work for Sunbelt Pump Solutions and I use it alot on sewer bypasses as well and those nuts are 1 5/16 and about 20 bolts on each pipe section. Still using that same impact to this day. Tornado was just over a year ago and works like it's new
@ I run a small shop, work on a lot of Greyhound buses and semi trucks. My Milwaukee is getting beat, I have been considering the 3/4 Hercules.
Been looking at videos of this impact. I saw TTC test it against Milwaukee to a dead tie...says nothing about durability, but this video shows it can handle straight up abuse. I'd like to see a bit of shop abuse from daily use, not just exterior tossing around, but wondering if it will lose power over a few months of ripping off lugs, hub nuts, and crankshaft bolts. I have the Earthquake XT 1/2 impact...it was alright when I got it several years ago, it will still take off lugs, but it seems to have lost a little bit of its power over time. It is a brushed motor so it makes sense it would lose power, but the Hercules is brushless. Seems like a solid buy if you are in the line. I am mostly Milwaukee M12 driven but I have beef with their brushed ratchet, apply over 75 ft lbs to the ratchet and it breaks. The Hercules 12v ratchet breaks at 150, twice as durable. My m12 ratchet broke while removing a loose oil drain bolt. Sure I could get a Fuel model, but the heads are so massive that it's hard to get where I need it. So I have one Hercules tool. Looks like I may add another. I've been watching the Hercules line closely...started out as a running joke, then they started releasing brushless tools, now 5 year warranty, new 8 and 12 amp batteries with 21700 cells and now an impact that competes with top of the line tools...if the trend continues, I have hope for the brand.
Best believe your little precious Milwaukee could never 🤣🤣
I am a fan of your Channel but not once have I seen you do any of that stuff to your Milwaukee Tools
The normal complaint is that Harbor Freight makes cheap junk. So they give you an impact that's equivalent to Milwaukee for $60 cheaper, and now you say it's too expensive.
😅😂 I just purchased the 3rd Generation Ultra torque Hercules with 1,650 ft lb . Right now they're giving a free battery and charger if you buy the impact gun. Only spent $220 on everything I say that so much better deal than Milwaukee.
I can get a 5.0 m18 battery and an m18 medium torque impact for 250 dollars for a 2020 year impact from milwaukee yes, a little older not a new 2024 impact but make around the same power of any m18 medium torque impact and and the one battery is all you need while getting started with power tools. And I found the impact and battery separate on Amazon 149.99 for the m18 impact and 89.99 for an m18 charger and one 5.0 battery. After tax I call it 250
@@CoryTheesfeld nearly every Milwaukee battery on Amazon is either a bad clone or straight up counterfeit.. not a good comparison.
And mine have 2 years left on the warranty not 3 that's why and I got the 6.0 and 4.0 and 2.0 they are being replaced by the high output line of m12 batteries and they are a year to old to sell that's it they are real and at almost half price they are good enough for me and again your a idiot Richard Bolger you don't know shit bud so keep your mouth shut. 🖕🖕🖕 my battery's will last long enough to get my money's worth.
I can almost guarantee this video will be used by Harbor Freight to show how durable this gun is.
They better be paying me for the promotion! 😂
@@MrSubaru1387 of topic, do you like the kobalt xtr power tool smell
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You do know that they can simply link your video and they are OK. They cannot download your video.
Lol ikr!! Tossing the drill around like a hot potato
@@MrSubaru1387 They will just give you a 20% off coupon.
I use the Hercules power tools a lot at my job as an industrial mechanic. They hold up pretty good, just replaced the driver and the hammer drill.
How long did they hold up before you replaced them?
@@JacobyStevens I have a hercules 1/2 inch impact mid torque that survived a year of daily use as a mechanic and it works fine.
I have the brushed drill and impact since covid 2020 and I've put probably 7,000 screws in an out of 767-300 airplanes for hangar maintenance if they die I will just upgrade to Hercules brushless@@JacobyStevens
The TLDR. He talks shit about it and Harbor Freight from the first 10 seconds, improperly compares the prices because he bought an entire second battery for the Hercules but only showed the price vs a single battery setup Milwaukee. Takes off a nut his 3/4" Milwaukee didnt take off, beats the ever living shit out of it and it doesn't break while also saying he'd never do that to his Milwaukee, then proceeds to still talk shit about Harbor Freight and the price that he still improperly compares. Finally he tries to kill it with water and it still doesn't die.
I'm impressed, I wouldn't trade my Milwaukie gen 2 impact for that Hercules joint but you have to give it the respect that tool earned!!
So after this video, this thing is FAR tougher than his precious Milwaukee tools.
"Would I run my Chinese milwaukee over with a tractor? Absolutely not" I guess blue ain't your color
Bought mine last week, been using it everyday this thing beats the hell out of everything ive used. I have alot of Milwaukee and dewalt tools but Hercules has really stepped up their game it seems
3:47 worried about the smell of Chinese plastic when Milwaukee is made their also...
I’ve had my ultra torque for a while, I love the thing. I’m gonna sound like some fanboy but I’ve been able to take off lugs at work that other coworkers can’t get. (Milwaukee, Matco, snapon and Mac)
It’s been out for two months. Barely a while. Lol
People just wanna hate on shit that outworks their more expensive shit. If price = performance, you'd see NBA players lacing up some Louis Vuttons.
I've purchased Harbor Freight "one use only" tools over the years. I've noticed in the past couple years their tools have become reasonably reliable - maybe from a different prison factory. Eh, they've worked pretty well for me. YMMV.
Next year they're going to have USA 🇺🇸 made prybars under the icon line. They're really are trying to be more reputable and premium
Honestly I love my HF tools. Now some are still garbage. But most of my purchases are great. I have several that are identical to my snapon sets. And Honestly not much difference in terms of quality. Which when you think about the amount of money I've spent on my snapon is kind of bullshit.
Their power tools used to be easy to smoke under professional use. Now? I guess they improved across the board. Beats the shit out of over priced snap power tools
I have a strong feeling the are using the same manufacture of one of the top brands now. Which is why they changed the warranty
I got the new ultra torque gen 2 for $159. Then later (few minutes) made another purchase for their current deal...One 5ah and charger for $99 plus one free tool. I chose the new. 20v brushless 1/2 compact impact... Not a bad deal if you ask me!
He should test this tool with there new 21700 cell batteries
Would like to see you do the same test on that milwaukee impact
I picked up all the Hercules impacts. Been good so far going on a year of daily use. Got the ultra on the way!
Yep Harbor Freight has kicked up its game Thanks for the video
They got Milwaukee and DeWalt beat bad 😊
Bought it yesterday…battery 5amp, fast charger, 1500 torque (there is one higher..no package deal)…$209.99. Saw a water torture test…survived.
Great tool! But you really put a beating to it. Amazing it held up.
Torque test channel did a review on the high torque and ultra torque and the torque figures harbor freight says were relatively accurate, I think the ultra torque got to like 1300 lb ft in 15 seconds which is really pretty accurate vs some other major brands
Okay, that's actually pretty impressive. I must have missed that episode of his.
It did up to 2,000 on another channel. Very impressive
They’re already dropped the price on this impact, and it’s REALLY good for what it is, as you showed here.
I know you’re no fan of HF, but you gotta give it to them on this one. They make SOME decent tools!
Just ran it up on the HF website and it’s $379.96 before tax and freight. Price went up it appears. Nevertheless, it’s a solid tool by the looks of it…won’t see my tool box but that’s because Hercules has a weak line up of cordless tools. I need more variety.
@@zachthompson5335 Yeah, I would really love to see more tools from Hercules. If they could have a stronger lineup, they would be a serious competitor to Milwaukee and Dewalt.
With the coupons, the bare tool goes for as low as $179, then figure in $40 for the charger and $70 for the battery, you're at $290. Of course that doesn't factor in additional batteries. Plus HF offers a $20 discount when you buy a tool, battery, and charger. Doesn't apply if you use a coupon on the tool though.
The Hercules Dual Bevel Sliding Miter Saw is fantastic. I'd put it in the ring with pro tool brand saws any day. Plus, gotta love the shadow guide.
Price on the tool battery and charger has dropped on top of that I’m already invested on the Hercules batteries and chargers so I’d just have to buy the tool TBH not to mention batteries have 3 year Warrenty. Can’t go wrong tbh if you are already invested into Hercules
@@zachthompson5335 buy an adapter and run your batteries on it
I'm thoughly impressed by this tool. Its clearly really good.
Haven’t watched you since I sold my Outback. You helped me a lot with that car. I forgot how entertaining you are 🤣
Honestly, with harbor freights warranty on power tools and in general, I’m not so opposed with getting more stuff from there. Beats waiting a week for the tool truck to come back. But I do love my snap on ratchets lol
I picked mine up the other day as a kit with rapid charger and 5 amp battery for 219 and 2 battery 5 amp for 89 beat that ! Guess they now have a kit
Just waiting for a coupon myself and will probably add the gen2 high torque to my lineup. The performance for cost is just better than expected.
Love to see Milwaukee, DeWalt, Bosch,or any other power tools go through all that ..😂
Could this guy be anymore biased? Horribly unfair, and it still beat his precious Milwaukee.
well looks like im buying it 🤷🏻♂️
Just got a ultra torque, 12amp battery, charger. All brand new sealed for $150 on marketplace. Thing is truly a beast.
That exchange thing could be a huge bonus. Looks like a pretty solid gun.
I wonder why everyone seems to be ashamed of having cheaper tools, getting into this as a career your screwed from the beginning 20g’s in tools and they are paying 15hr flat rate as a newb. Stupid! What other career fields pay so low and expect so much start up capital just to work in the first place. The hole system is ridiculous anyway I ramble, as technicians especially newbs don’t be afraid or embarrassed from a name on a tool if it works than it’s a good tool. Harbor freight has steeped up tremendously from the early 2000’s and being able to walk in and warranty instead of hunting down a tool truck that rips you off on 85% of everything seems like a better deal to me. That’s like buying something getting kicked in the nuts and going back for more. No thank you! Warranty wait times is the stupidest thing ever and I own good tools just don’t deal with tool truck anymore
I LOVE Harbor Freight!! I’m in Kansas, & we have 2 stores within driving distance!! They always have some sort of in-store special, in addition to add coupons!!
(I’m waiting for them to put the WENCHES on sale so I can afford to put one on my beautiful Jeep!! I already have a (naked) bumper FOR a wench, just waiting…. (A Hooke Road Mid-Size bumper SET for Jeep Wrangler JKU!)🙂🙂🙁❤
I'm in KS, too. Always finding myself at HF.
Great review of their new impacts. Do you plan on testing out their return policy, if so will you let us know how it goes!
Took a good whooping! Still working too.... Not bad
Great tough testing on that Hercules brother! I just got an uaoaii impact driver from temu I don't know if u ever heard of one but let tell this beast got some power it 960 ft pound torque can u a make video of that model see if is as tough as what u put the Hercules through?
That smell is from the element known as Chinesium. The Earthquake brand they carry is not too bad for what you pay. AvE did a tear down of the Earthquake a few years ago and surprisingly the innards were not that bad. But with the supply chain like it is now days, that probably has changed as well.
Milwaukie is made in China too! Learn to play!
Earthquake power tools have been/are being discontinued in favor of migrating them to the Hercules line.
Yessss waiting for this
Thanks for the video Robert great torcher test. Take care of yourself.
I’ll admit that I buy some cheap tools but I have expensive ones too. My total HF tool list is a trailer wiring tester, IR thermometer and a metric tap & die set and I’m disappointed with all of them. Oddly the one metric tap I really needed was missing from the set which was in a sealed box when I bought it. The use-it-throw-it-away concept never attracted me. The non HF cheap tools I have are working fine. Mr. Subaru did a nice job kicking this tool around it looks like he had some fun. I especially liked the water test I can’t believe it survived.
Looks quite a lot like the Flex 24v 1/2 Impact I bought at Lowe's a few years back.
Question: have you seen the new Subaru oil filters? Was at the dealer and bought some not knowing. They are blue but unmarked. Dealer told me Fram broke the contract with Subaru and they’re having them made by an unknown manufacturer. Would love to know your thoughts! Especially if you think it’s an improvement
Didn't know this, and yes I would like to get more details on this too
Video Sunday!
@@MrSubaru1387 awesome! I’m really looking forward to hearing what you think. Mine look ok but without marking they look weird, not wrapped in plastic, but probably not worse than the fram ones. But won’t put it on till at least Sunday!
It's actually about 100 dollars difference in price. The Home Depot ad doesn't have tax, your receipt did. Still not enough difference for to me to try it.
Lets see you do those exact same tests with the Milwaukee.
Thank you. That tool held up ! The only thing that seems to get week in the knees was the tester after getting a smell of the battery charger. Maybe the manufacturer will start to use those moisture absorption packs during shipping ?
You the man Rob. !! Any snowfall predictions for South Carolina this winter? :)
Likely not. Lol. Never know here with the white stuff. Usually is a surprise when we get it.
i was lucky to catch the current 1500 ftlbs version ultra torque on sale for $149.99. bought the charger and 5 amp hour battery for $100 plus picked up the 8 amp hour battery for my free tool. $262.98 tax and all for the impact wrench, 2 batteries, and a charger
Watching you drag that thing behind your truck made my day
I think sales on this impact gun just went up at harbor Freight. Don't be surprised if they cut you a check lol. Quite impressive 👏, great video.
I doubt ol HF will do that! lol
LOL!!! Fun video! Trying to be the American version of AvE? Good job!
LOL, it kind of hurts seeing a tool mistreated like that right out of the box, even a Sharter Mate! If you are looking for someone to foster this abused puppy, I will come pick it up 😜stay warm
Was able to buy this for $102 during the last clearance event. All in I paid $220 for
1. this
2. an as is drill/driverwith charger and 2.5ah battery (i had no battery or charger)
3. a 3/8 impact with 5 ah battery with the current buy one get one free promo.
Not bad for a so that I have it when I need it type of tool for a DIYer.
Id considered buying this but I already have a Bauer, impact 1/2 wrench, and drill probably all junk but I had to replace two sets of vanishing craftsman usa made 14.4/16v and an special release 12v set and it was a joke, and i have a older 14.4 DeWalt 1/2 inch dr xrp drill and a new 787 1/4 impact Dr i have checked it to make sure it works but I have not used
So it did beter then a 3/4" milwaukee junk drive?
In my opinion I think the real deal is the batteries. You can get new batteries and pretty good batteries for a pretty good discount compared to Milwaukee.
Good thing it was an unbiased review... 🙄
Bro was throwing the charger and took like it was garbage, made me laugh so hard 😂😂
"Its not cheap" Goes on to show the the milwaukee costing almost $100 more before tax
nice tool , I was disappointed
with the two inch NUT test ..
will check another's brand
it may sound super dumb, but try it with the extreme Hercules batteries, they use the 21700 samsung cell instead of cheap 18650 chinese battery that the regular batteries come with. it means alot and i mean ALOT more beanz and a higher full power threashold.
Mr. S, send it to me. I could use a 1/2" impact and put her to great use. 👍 on the great video!
I'm looking to maby buy the 1/4" screw gun. Most of my bolts are 10mm and lawn mower repair..
The "rapid" charger will probably charge fast since the "fast" charger charges slow 😅
Another excellent free information from the great one Mr. Subaru. Thank you 🙏 sir.
You’re welcome!
Wait until you find out that Milwaukee assembles their products in my home city of Jackson, Mississippi. Most of their parts are Chinese. I’m a truck driver. I deliver it.
And like that … a Harbor Freight ad pops up between videos
LOL
I bought the hercules in a pinch, normally use Milwaukee, but I must say for the 200 bucks I got it for, I'm okay with it. Beats the 300-400 I would've had to spend on a 1/2 Milwaukee.
And they come with a 5 year warranty now, instead of 30 days which is even more impressive assuming they actually replace them if an issue occurs.
Oilfield Days we would wire brush and a lil lubricant to help the tool and be productive. 🤷🏽♂️
Hi! Have you tried Maikta or Hikoki tools? If you have then why do you use Milwaukee?
I have both Makita and Hikoki/Hitachi/Metabo HPT
@@MrSubaru1387 okay! do you prefer Milwaukee tools for automotive works?
i got a deal on mine bought the 12amp battery and the gun my homie hooked me up with the 20 percent discount worth it
Wow pretty sturdy
how long would you say it honestly took to charge your impact batteries
I wonder if the kobalt xtr impact would be a better buy
Hello again MrSubaru
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 Just how bad did it smell? Does occur to all HF power tools? I was thinking about buying? Again thank you 😊
Honestly it way out preforms it's advertised numbers. It's more like 1900 -2000 ftlbs breakaway with the high output battery. Harbor Freight has been killing it with the new Hercules tools.
You must've bought this when they didn't have any promotions. You can currently get this tool a battery and a charger for $100 because they are running a promotion that I see quite often where if you buy a battery and a charger if you get a tool for free.
This was hilarious 😂 I looks like you had a lot of fun abuse the hell out of the tool! I wouldn’t mind seeing you beat up more of garbo freights tools
Garbo ? You probably use a tool every other month lol
That tool holds up to everyday use it isn't Snap on or Dewalt quality but it gets the bolt of with a hassle free warranty
Just paid $340 for the 1/2 Milwaukee at home depot w/ battery
Wow! Really ?.. its good impact gun.. really ha! Good one..
Bad thing is that it making harbor freight look good
But does the consistency of that performance hold up from one impact to the next? See that would be a factor. Yes every brand even the expensive name brands will have a bad egg from time to time but, these could be like one in fifteen are any account and perform that way, and you just happened to get lucky and got a good one. But with the walk in replacement policy I guess you could just bring it back if it’s a bad one and they’ll replace it with another bad one. If it takes 15 repeat trips back to the store for an exchange to finally get a good one, well most people would give up after the third or fourth trip, and go to Home Depot and get the Milwaukee one that’s only 60 dollars more, and have the ratio be more like only one in 5,000 being a bad one. So just something to look at also.
Milwaukee puts out more beans.
But I have a hard time imagining the Subaru rust buckets where you'll need the Milwaukee or the Hercules. Maybe you need another channel for those adventures. 😂
Another point for the Milwaukee you're comparing to is that hard case it comes in.
It isn't actually a "marketing gimmick" Milwaukee have a patent or something on 18v so other companies put 20v.
8:37 when mrsubaru's engine blows up 😂
Boost kicked in. Lol
@@MrSubaru1387 hey you you look at my other comment in this video you will see someone that is trying to impersonate you and promoting something and I'm 100%its a scam
@@nousernamehere1 yeah. They pop up from time to time. Blocked the account.
Don't forget you have two pay shipping both ways on the Milwaukee for the warranty.
My issue with the Harbor Freight cordless tools the same as yours. They cost too much if they are trying to compete on price! There simply isn't a big enough difference versus a brand name with a much wider tool selection. That said, this does seem like a pretty impressive tool! I don't think my DeWalt batteries would have survived those durability tests at all. Fun stuff.
Hahahaha so it's stronger then a Milwaukee more durable then a Dewalt and cheaper then both but it's still not cheap enough 🤨😆🤣 I love it that logic made my day thanks 😄
@@word1ist It's not cheaper than both if you actually look for sales. I got my DeWalt high torque impact for $180 brand new. If the price difference between the Harbor Freight and a more established brand is low, being on the better battery system with a much wider selection of tools makes much more sense. I personally use DeWalt 20V because I find it's a better overall value than Milwaukee M18. I generally buy new tools when I can get a battery or two for free and overall I've paid less than I would have for Harbor Freight equivalents. I also buy Milwaukee M12 which Harbor Freight doesn't have anywhere near a comparable lineup.
@@802Garage 🤨🤨🤣😆
@@word1ist If you don't understand then I am highly doubting you use a suite of cordless tools daily. Having numerous battery systems is a pain in the ass and again as I said, I've purchased my DeWalt tools and batteries CHEAPER than Harbor Freight tools because I hunt for deals. Do what you like.
I’d be a lot more willing to buy into the Hercules line if they had more niche tools. The value they have just doesn’t hold up against a similar brand like ryobi if you consider how limited the tool selection is.
The Ramcharger durability test reminded me of the first scene in Napoleon Dynamite.
i have been using it to take off lugnuts on semi
😂 mr subaru casually flexing on us peasants with his tractor and excavator bro is rich rich, but in all honesty the gun held up well but only time will tell
looks like ingersoll rand knock off, with the tilt as well? Maybe paying a license fee
Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out this is a great tool .We own 4 of them in our diesel shop and are used to take sprockets off our dozers and excavators.Strapon and the other tool trucks need to take note Harbor Freight is coming for them.The quality is getting better and better.And as far as the Icon line a lot of it is starting to be manufactured in the good old USA.So how do u feel now Strapon fanboy