Atomos Recorders: Why do I Use Them?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2017
- Will an Atomos Ninja Inferno or Shogun make your video footage look 10 times better? Probably not, but I have found that the Atomos recorders are great tools which make getting better footage easier, more efficient, and in some cases you really can get better footage. In this episode we cover how Atomos recorders help filmmakers.
Links to Gear Discussed and Used to Record This Session:
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Atomos Ninja Inferno (UHD up to 60 fps, HDMI input, HDR)
Amazon: geni.us/dkj1cQr
B&H: bhpho.to/2v7qjMa
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Atomos Shogun Inferno (UHD up to 60 fps, HDMI and SDI inputs, HDR)
Amazon: geni.us/8lITyu
B&H: bhpho.to/2uN7zz8
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Atomos Shogun Flame (UHD up to 30 fps, HDMI and SDI inputs, HDR)
Amazon: geni.us/N9Wc
B&H: bhpho.to/2v7fHgA
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Atomos Ninja Flame (UHD up to 30 fps, HDMI input, HDR)
Amazon: geni.us/YN8b51F
B&H: bhpho.to/2uMYZR2
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Atomos Ninja II (HD up to 30 fps, HDMI input)
Amazon: geni.us/U8g7G
B&H: bhpho.to/2kBjz0S
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G-Technology SSD Drive with Atomos Master Caddy (made for the latest gen Atomos recorders)
Amazon: geni.us/GDySUSh
B&H: bhpho.to/2vww1VV
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Panasonic GH5 Camera
Amazon: geni.us/Efb6r
B&H: bhpho.to/2oIdG7o
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Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 OIS Lens
Amazon: geni.us/NbS3jK4
B&H: bhpho.to/2qLWz1Q
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Olympus 45mm f/1.8 Lens
Amazon: geni.us/ZBKI
B&H: bhpho.to/2jJDVEw
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Copyright 2017 by Curtis Judd
Ethics statement: Some of the links above are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, or other affiliate links.
Really appreciate the "summary-up-front" format, Curtis. It's really helpful and I wish everyone would use that format for review videos.
+10x.film thanks, I appreciate the feedback!
That's a cool rubber band trick for panning @ 8:46
Haha, yes, learned that from +RayOrtega a few years back. My pans have been a lot smoother ever since.
Yes, I noticed that and thought it was genius.
I remember that trick too a few years back. It was meant for people that couldn't afford a fluid head but I also use that on my fluid head and it works like an insurance policy for smooth pans. However, I use two rubber bands because it's happened where the single one broke on my. That eliminated the issue.
@@matrixate To pan smoothly without rubber bands then forget the pan handle and grab the base of the head and turn from there. Low to medium friction settings it works great with long lens shots.
That rubber band trick has been around since the 1700's
The quick summary at the beginning is GREAT . I usually stick around, because I lean much .... But I wish more TH-camrs did such synopsis. √
Thanks!
Agreed!
agreed!
I couldn't agree more. Excellent.
@@curtisjudd LOVED THE SUMMARY in the beginning thank you
Loved this video and your explanations, I've always wondered why I would get one of these but when you pointed out the stress that movement puts on a codec as you showed us the waterfall I was sold on the concept of using external recorders.
Thank you!
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Subscribed for how fast and concise you are. Hard to find on TH-cam or anywhere else really
Thanks Baustin
One of the Most complete reviews I've seen about the Atomos recorders, congrats! I would just like seeing more info about the flame and the 5" recorder and their differences comparing them to the Blackmagic recorder as well. Thanks
Thanks Nicolas! Thanks for the feedback. I'll see if I can get my hands on those for review.
VERY thorough and insightful. Thanks!!
Thanks!
Great information as always. Very well put together and professional which gives the viewer a lot more confidence in your views and opinions. Thank you.
Thanks Jeff!
Nice video Curtis. I've always liked the look of these recorders, I somehow thought the were built a bit tougher. I think the Small HD stuff might be a bit tougher.
Hi Hugh, thanks! They're workable and I haven't broken either of mine yet despite all the mileage they have on them. But metal like they use on the Ninja II would be nice on the newer models.
Thanks for pointing out the reasoning behind purchasing one, and not just the specs. Very helpful. I did notice that Atomos is great with their web site and which SSD and even cameras are supported. I was impressed to see that my Olympus personal camera was supported haha (although it makes sense, because it's clean HDMI) - oh and youre right. Those codecs are amazing for editing and totally avoids having to transcode.
Thanks Dave. Yes, their site is actually quite useful and easy to get around. I appreciate that about them. Good to hear on the Olympus support! It'll be awesome to see that ProRes or DNxHR footage from the Oly!
Another informative video! Great work, Curtis.
Thanks Stephen!
Loved the summary at the start, so clever.
Thanks!
Oh my goodness, I just spotted a really neat thing you did in this video. Panning shots with a rubberband?! I can't believe I've never thought about that. I've been holding my breath and straining myself over trying to get the smoothest panning shots for my B-rolls.
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I appreciate your creating the content in the beginning for people on the go like myself.
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LOVED THE SUMMARY in the beginning thank you
You bet! 👍
Spot on as usual. great insights
Thanks Njoroge!
Great video and very informative .
Thank you Curtis
Thanks rk.
Cheers Curtis. I use the smallrig cage with my atomos ninja flame. It's great value, not too heavy.
And it ads threaded mount points.
Good info, thanks for sharing that!
Thanks for the detailed overview, it helped me a lot ! I think I'm gonna go with Atomos Ninja Inferno to pair with my GH5.
Thanks Alex! I hope you find it as useful as I have!
Great video! I particularly liked learning about the codec options and how they equate to smooth editing, even in UHD. My question would be: which Atomos, and which codec do you recommend for UHD on the older GH4? Cheers!
Hi Ben, I usually shot with the ProRes 422 codec when I was shooting the GH4. You can bump it up to HQ for super critical clips, but I almost always found 422 to be plenty.
Thanks, Curtis!
Great video once again! I actually had no idea you could use an Atomos recorder as a grading monitor with Resolve. How does this work? I suppose you just connect the Mac to it via HDMI out, but then what? What do you need to do in OS X display settings and/or Resolve? It would be great if you could shed some light into how it's done.
I have a Ninja Blade, and if I were to calibrate it with an i1Display Pro, do you think the screen on it would be good enough to be used like this?
If you could make a video about this topic, would be awesome!
Yes, will cover that in an upcoming episode. It does require a Thunderbolt hardware monitoring converter from Blackmagic Design or similar. I use the BMD Ultrastudio Mini Monitor: bhpho.to/2v8EWz6 Strangely, it only works via SDI. Couldn't get the HDMI to work but I think that's a Blackmagic issue, not an Atomos issue. More to come.
I've been going back and forth about purchasing the Shogun Inferno. This video really helped. I currently own the SmallHD 700 series. I was intending on using the Shogun for filming in 4K for longer periods of time then my current 64GB Cfast 2.0 cards. Not to mention SSDs are cheaper.
Good reasons to move to an external recorder for sure. Good luck!
I love Atomos recorders and it changed my content so much, it just looks so professional.
All these years later, we still use them at work.
@@curtisjudd great to know thanks !
great video! thanks so much, man.
Thanks Cruxal
Great video Curtis. Thanks for creating this. I have a canon c100 and I was wondering if you know where the control resides when an atomos is connected to it? Which setting overrides the other? Once I connect a shogun for example: Which has control over the exposure, frame rate, etc? Is the Atomos controlling everything or do I still need to adjust settings in the camera? How can I learn about which device controls which setting?
Hi Sean, the camera always retains control of all of its settings. The Atomos recorders are smart enough to adapt to the frame rate and resolution that is sent from the camera via HDMI. So the camera continues to control exposure and frame rate and everything else. The Atomos just lets you bring up scopes to help you make the best possible settings on the camera.
Another great, informative video as usual.
I have a question though: If you go straight from the SSD drive in ProRes 422 to the timeline, where is your backup? Don't you need an independent copy because otherwise you'll have to use the camera disk, correct?
+Red Dog Video good point. You can edit directly from the SSD you use in the recorder but usually I offload to either another external SSD when I’m mobile or to a raid unit when I’m at my edit room. I’d only edit from the recording SSD in a pinch and make backup copies of the footage first.
Thank you Curtis! This information is actual even 4 year later!
You're most welcome! Happy filming!
Very well done, as always. Thumbs up.
Thanks!
Brilliant as always. You called out NPF batteries, what about powered by a larger V-lock battery, shoulder rig? Any concerns doing that?
Works great with my original Shogun, an Anton Bauer Gold Mount and an NPF to d-tap dummy battery made specifically for the Atomos recorders.
Great analisys. Thnxs
Thanks Alejandro.
As always, great video with so much useful info. And I see that you use the old-fashioned, but always effective, rubber-band trick for panning,...NICE! ;-)
+Omar Patin haha! Yes, still a great technique for smoothing out this pans!
Without question!. I use it all the time. My tripod cases always have a spare ration of rubber bands !
How are you using it as an external monitor, just hooking it up to your graphics card via HDMI?
I've read that there is an issue with Sony cameras and S-Log over HDMI which is putting me off at the moment (no problems with SDI). That along with fan noise and I'd also like to see them put an actual 10bit panel in them instead of 8+2 FRC panels.
Useful vid as usual though Curtis, appreciate the time you put into this and also answering a lot of the comments you get.
Hi Jon, I'm feeding the signal from Resolve with the Blackmagic Ultrastudio Mini Monitor: bhpho.to/2v8EWz6 I used the SDI feed to my Shogun. Since the original Shogun's panel is only 8 bit, it isn't something I rely on too heavily but I am thinking of adding the Shogun Inferno or Sumo for that. (incidentally, the HDMI feed from the Ultrastudio to the Shogun and Ninja Inferno didn't work but I think that's a Blackmagic Design issue).
I'm curious about the 8+2 FRC vs true 10 bit issue. Bram Desmot from Flanders Scientific said that 8+2 FRC is just as good as true 10 bit. I'd like to learn more about that.
Yeah, it seems hard to find information regarding 8+2FRC and 10bit. One of my current monitors I've had for a couple of years is 8+2 though I'm pretty it won't support HDR content or any of the HDR standards. It doesn't have HDMI 2 either. Speaking of which the price of the Atomos HDMI 2 cables and also the calibration cable are a bit steep!
Awesome review, does it work with taping on record screen to focus the area you want? just to avoid touching the camera especially when it's on gimple, I use Canon 1DX Mii, Thanks
Hi, no focusing is still done with camera controls, not with the ATOMOS recorder.
thanks so much for the 'quick run down' at the beginning! much appreciated!
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Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experiences! Big fan of your TH-cam channels and online course, and have learned a lot from you while preparing to move into doing videography in addition to my photography. Have you tried using an Atomos and MixPre together, with timecode over HDMI from the camera? I am contemplating on getting an Atomos Ninja V, and am wondering whether the timecode signal from my camera will come through to the HDMI output on the Atomos, so I can plug that into the MixPre.
Hi Michael, thanks! I borrowed the Ninja for the review so I don’t have it to confirm. I have my older Shogun and the MixPre does not receive timecode from it so I’m not sure whether it will work with the Ninja V. You might contact ATOMOS support to see if they have tested this combination. Good luck!
Curtis Judd Thanks for replying! I’ll see if Atomos support can help me.
Hey Curtis! I pared my gh5 to the atomos ninja inferno. Also bought a Sandisk ultra II 480 and a HDMI 2.0b. Unfortunately the monitor cannot rec. at the advertised 10bit-4K-60fps nor are there any options for 1080p slow mo (120-240fps). Their customer support offered very little to no help unfortunately, so I thought about asking you based on your experience. Also would it be possible to use a speedy nvme drive (through a SATA enclosure, in the SSD caddy)? thank you for reading this. Cheers!
Hi Michalis, if the monitor cannot record at the advertised frame rate, it sounds like a defect. Probably time for an exchange. I generally stick with the approved drives since I don't want to increase the risk of losing footage so I haven't tried any NVME drives. I'm sorry things have been rough :( Best wishes on a resolution!
Great video Curtis! Very Informative
I've been seriously considering an external recorder, as I would love to record pro res 4.2.2
Unfortunately my camera only outputs 8bit and I shoot mostly run and gun so weight is an issue
Still undecided, but great video none the less.
Thanks!
Great and informative video.
Thanks John.
Awesome explanations
Thanks!
I'm not in a position to move to 4K at this time and have been considering getting a Ninja Star. I didn't know if you've used one, but my impression is that it's basically a Ninja 2 without a screen. Do you happen to know if that would be accurate?
Metal case might add a bit of weight, especially for a gimbal. Super helpful video, Curtis! God bless you, from the Saints in Southern California. :)
Yes, too much for gimbal! God bless you too!
Great review as always!
A quick question I cannot find the answer going through the Atomos manual pdf:
Can the Atomos display a flipped image horizontally and/or vertically (like a camera rotating lcd does) ?
and if yes, can this flipped image be outputted to an external display via hdmi?
Main use, for people in front of camera having a proper view of the frame.
Hi Evan, the screen can be flipped so that it can be used upside down. I'll need to check to see whether it flips the HDMI output signal. Good question!
Very helpful video thank you quick question I think I know the answer , if I purchase a shogun inferno that can record 4k60FPS - can I hook it up to a Sony A73 that only supports up to 4k 30 but record 4K60 from the Atomos?
Hi Tishawn, no, it needs a feed from the camera in 60p to record 60p.
@@curtisjudd thank you for responding so quickly! I figured I appreciate it!! I thought I could cheat the system lol thanks!
This video is amazing. Thank you so much!
Thanks Highfiveonetwo!
great video! I also try to connect my shogun inferno trough a black magic studio mini monitor but with no succes? how did you do that ? greetings from Amsterdam
Hi Daniel, I used an SDI cable (BNC to BNC rated for 4K). It only works with certain apps, which you probably already knew. In this case I used Resolve.
Curtis Judd today i purchased a sdi cable bnc to bnc from the brand Shape. Didnt work for me 😩😩😩
Curtis Judd also on resolve
I'm sorry. I'm not sure how to fix that but definitely suggest contacting BMD and Atomos support. Best wishes!
Dear Curtis, great review! Thank you again! I just saw another review about Sony Alpha 7 and Atomos Shogun and they were telling that you will get a different - much less quality signal - if you start the recording via the Shogun record button. They they you have to start the record on the Sony Alpha 7 to get the high quality signal.... which sounds strange to me....... Do you have any recommendations? Thank you!
Hi Till, I’m not familiar with the recent Sony alpha line. You might try their tech support for clarification on how the HDMI signal changes when you press record from the camera.
Curtis,
As always your videos provide amazing quality and useful information to me. I know may be asking a bit much, but I think someone with your expertise could really assist me in making a decision.
I have $5000 that is budgeted for the rest of 2017 for film equipment. Currently a7rii is my A-Cam and Rx10ii us my B-Cam. I mainly shoot Interviews, short form Doc, for my own channel and run & run in 4K. I'm deciding between an Ursa Mini 4.6k and an FS5. (Why you ask? I'm looking to push into higher budget work and need the pose value of a larger camera.) As I know you do a lot of work in this area have you found that shooting with smaller Mirrorless Cameras GH5 etc, DSLRs limits you or your potential clientele? I apologize if this is too much to ask.
Hi Noir Et Blanc Vie, Not too much to ask at all. To some extent yes, but only for cases where the potential askers don't know anything else about you or your work. It isn't a complete make or break kind of factor for getting jobs. In my experience, getting jobs has a lot more to do with gaining the confidence of clients and fellow filmmakers and word of mouth. Mostly relationships.
That being said, I'm quite happy with my kit which includes a GH5 and Ursa Mini Pro. I will say that shooting in raw is something I rarely do, even with the Ursa simply because for paid jobs, it usually isn't necessary and adds a fair bit of time to the post workflow. The ProRes footage, on the other hand, makes my post workflow very smooth and quick. I don't believe that is possible on the FS5 without an external recorder.
The only experience I have with the FS5 was editing some FS5 long GOP HD footage in Final Cut Pro about 18 months ago. FCPX and that codec didn't work very well together back then - lots of funky torn frames which meant I couldn't always cut where I wanted/needed. I don't know if either party has made changes to fix that but it was a rather frustrating experience. I only mention that in case you use a similar workflow and not to discourage you from buying an FS5. There are lots of happy FS5 owners out there. :)
Good luck!
Wow Curtis, thank you so so much for your thoughts. I think I'll go with the 4.6k as my workflow is very similar to yours, I shoot ProRes to my Atomos and Vid Assist 4k and well an all in one solution like the 4.6k will be great. Now I just need an extra $1000 for all the accessories LOL.
Do you recommend this for my Sony A7iii? I am having color issues when I shoot 4K videos for my events. Very useful video though!.
Depending on the color issues, this will probably not solve the problem. What kind of issues are you experiencing?
Hi Curtis, what's a great video. Thank you for the video. I use Sony A7r3 as the my main camera. Is the Atomos Ninja Inferno suit to me, or you have a better choice, base on your experience? Thanks a lot!
Hi James, yes, the Ninja Inferno is a great fit for the A7RIII. Good luck!
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing. Does the Shogun allow you to use custom luts as well?
Thanks! Yes it does.
@@curtisjudd Awesome! Thanks.
Can you use it as a audiorecorder to? Or is it better with a zoom H5 recorder then?
It does have 2 XLR inputs if you get the adapter cable. I did not test those on this one so I cannot say for sure. I did test the original Shogun and it's preamps sounded quite nice, but produced a bit too much self-noise for my tastes. Then on the other hand, I recently tested the audio inputs on the new Sumo 19" monitor and it had superb microphone preamps. I wish I could have tested this one, but unfortunately they didn't send the adapter cable with it.
Hello Curtis,
Great job, as usual.
Quick question: I am deciding between a professional camcorder or my Sony a6500 with an Atomos Shogun 7. The purpose is to record long conferences, lectures, events, that could create heat in the equipment.
What option do you recommend me?
Thanks in advance. 🙏
Hi Jorge, I haven't worked with the a6500 but I know several of the other a5xxx and a6xxx have had issues with overheating when shooting video. I don't know whether that's just when recording with the camera and whether the Shogun 7 would solve that problem or not. Probably best to check with other a6500 owners who have experience shooting long-form video. I think the practical choice would probably be a pro camcorder which is made for things like that.
Curtis Judd Agree! Thanks a lot.
Hey Curtis, great video.
Do you still think the Ninja 2 is worth buying? They are so cheap now and I am trying to find a way to lose the recording limit and (mainly) eliminate overheating on my a6000. I have read (and thanks for confirming) it isn't anything great as a monitor but just as an external recorder do you still think it would be worth buying?
Sure, I think so.
I bought one for my D800 several months ago for the same recording limit situations (I record oral histories). It's been great! It is a crappy monitor visually but the finished video is excellent. I use the Prores LT codec with a Windows PC running Adobe Premiere CS6 and edits very smoothly.
Good stuff! Which recorder one would you recommend for Sony A7s2/a6500 - not interested in HDR
The Ninja Inferno would be a good choice, even if you don't plan to use the HDR features. Both of these cameras capture what could be considered an HDR range.
I'm looking for a monitor for the DJI Ronin. I use a Canon 5D Mark 3 and I wanted to know if a Atomos would be a good choice? I want a small monitor. I dont really mind recording through the Atomos. I just want to be able to watch what im doing when filming with my 5D. I'm looking for a monitor thats under 7 inches in length.
+Filmer the SmallHD focus or one of their other small monitors are worth considering. Here’s also a less robust but much less expensive 5” monitor we reviewed: th-cam.com/video/Cel8qLVSD7Q/w-d-xo.html
Hi Curtis, did you test the Blackmagic Video Assist? I would love to have your input on that one. Thanks!
Hi Charles, I haven't yet but hopefully soon.
Great explanation about what matters and doesn’t matter.
Thanks Eric
*Serious Inquiry for you Curtis:
Have you considered the Pix-E series instead? It has most-to-all of the same features you love about the Atomos recorders, along with a 5" option as well as 7", AND build quality is bomb-proof out of the box withOUT any additional cage accessories. Not to mention the amazing option of using physical clicks buttons on the front of the device. Only thing the Pix-E recorders don't have that you enjoy on the Atomos systems is an HDR capable display, and the ability to record 4K60p (as far as I know the current Pix-E recorders don't do that).
Not to mention the VideoDevices unit has a couple of other cool little tricks like their tap-zoom thing which I use ALL-THE-TIME. I understand that the same action can be done on other units, but, their implementation on the Pix-E recorders is much smoother (IMO).
I guess my biggest "gripe" with the newest Atomos recorder monitors that I've used, is just the build man. Yes, the plastic is high-quality. But "professional" to me means drop-and-still-usability. Not to mention their nifty little "speed-drive" system! And, one last thing I promise; once you add a heavy cage to the Atomos monitors, the "lightweight" trait of the Atomos recorders is kinda moot. Just some food for thought. :)
Lmk what you [truthfully] think, if you get to reading this!
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Hi matron, I definitely have thought of the PixE series. In fact I interviewed Jon at Video Devices at NAB a couple years ago: th-cam.com/video/3Qrn200YLns/w-d-xo.html
There are many things I like about the Pix E but a couple that gave me pause. The media that the Pix E use didn't seem as easy to source as SSD drives. What has been your experience with that? The screen does not have the HDR brightness range of the newest generation Atomos recorders which is a big deal when working outdoors. And as you mention, they also do not record 4k60p. Those were the only things that gave me pause.
The UI looked great, the fact that there was no fan and the build quality was solid, I like that. The PiXLR looked like a nice addition as well. Unfortunately, they hit the market after I had already purchased the original shogun.
Thank you for being such a responsive You Tuber! I had one more question.On the recorder, you have the Atomos HDR slider, which allows you to see how the image would appear on an HDR display. But aren't we still a few years away from most people having HDR displays? So my question is: What is the point of viewing in HDR if most people have SD displays? How the image appears on the Atomos display doesn't not affect your actual exposure, does it? In other words, for most situations, wouldn't you want to display without using the HDR slider? Otherwise, you are not really seeing what most people are going to see. You are only seeing what someone might see on an HDR screen or TV.
Thanks Flying High! Yes, that is a matter of some confusion. Even if you're not planning to finish your video in HDR, knowing whether your highlights are clipped is very helpful if you plan to grade and sculpt the final look of your video for SDR viewing. This allows you to prevent blown highlights or at least make calculated decision about how much of the highlights you're willing to clip to get the look you want.
Do you have a video where you go over the setup of mix pre 6 or 10t, ghx or other prosumer camera and atomos recorder? I come from a photography background and while I understand the main components I'm still fuzzy what cords plug into what sockets between the three devices
Hi Micah, I don't have a single video with all of this, but here's one walking through how to send audio from the MixPre to a GH5: th-cam.com/video/bsUeXtxsa50/w-d-xo.html
Once you've done that, then you just run an HDMI cable from the camera to the ATOMOS recorder. Best wishes!
Hi Chris, enjoy your vids. My ninja flame is flickering whilst recording. is this just an issue with mine? or common on the atomos products
+David Paul Anthony hey David, I haven't experienced that on the Shogun or Ninja. Sounds like it might be your copy. Hopefully the Atomos guys can take care of that for you. Best wishes
Can you also make a video about the codecs you use? I just bought a Ninja V and i can't figure out how to edit with them, with what codec to record, and what codec to use for rendering. I use davinci resolve as NLE.
I use ProRes HQ. When exporting, usually that will be to H.264 or H.265 depending on where you will send your video for viewing.
Hi Curtis ! Nice to hear your thoughts ! What do you think to pair Atomos device with Sony A7Riii ? Cheers
Hi Ben! I don’t have a Sony A7Riii to test it here, but my friend shoots with an A7Sii and ATOMOS Shogun Inferno with great results.
hi, i have video camera i.e sony FDR AX 100 , can you suggest me which model of atomos best for my camera , so i can shoot 4k in 60p . thanks
Hi Ajay, the ATOMOS Ninja V is able to record 4k UHD 60p if the Sony outputs that via its HDMI output port: bhpho.to/2GXbUoH
Does the microphone jack, like in the Ninja 5 act as a camera mic jack? If it can it would really help me simplify my shoots
Hi J.R., I believe so I but I haven't tested the Ninja V yet. will cover that when we get a copy in for review.
I have V-Loc Batteries for LED lighting so am curious what you're using to power the display and camera on your rig at 1:24. I've seen the Lanpart but it's $$$.
That's my frankenstein rig with includes the Zacuto DSLR base plate (which they no longer make), the Zacuto Zwiss plate II, and the Indi-Pro Tools d-tap to GH5 dummy battery adapter.
Zwiss Plate V2: bhpho.to/2Aa5I91 (will also need a battery plate for V-lock - in my case I have the Anton Bauer plate)
Indi-Pro Tools Adapter: bhpho.to/2zyzWGm
Curtis Judd thanks!
I appreciate the executive summary at the beginning.
Thanks Jeremy. That was a lesson learned after plenty of feedback on previous episodes. :)
You can do a video explaining the HDR function more in detail? How to expose correctly, etc... I have the GH5 and the Ninja Inferno and I dont get the point...
+Titomixx yes! th-cam.com/video/ZRc0tOTBWuw/w-d-xo.html
I've been following your channel for a while, learned a lot and have bought products after watching. Thanks for all you do. However, I've been seeing you post a lot about the Sound Design MixPre recorders. So I got one thinking it would work for me since I use a similar setup. Using the GH5, Ninja Inferno and MixPre, do you get HDMI passthrough to trigger the MixPre? I can't seem to make it work. The people at Sound Design have been super helpful, but Atomos, not so much.
Hi Conrad, Thanks for contacting me. The issue when using all three devices together is that the ATOMOS recorder does not pass through the HDMI start/stop signals. So we lose the auto start stop capability on the MixPre. Usually I record sound separately so this is not a major issue. And in most of the remainder of the cases, I feed the audio from the MixPre to camera so that it gets recorded to the ATOMOS. Hopefully that makes sense?
@@curtisjudd That totally makes sense. I'm experimenting with it. Just ordered an HDMI splitter to see if that will do it. Either way, it will get recorded to the camera and the MixPre. Thanks again for all you do! I've learned so much!
@Johnathon Frumdehood Johnathan, cool it pal. If my test footage sucks to badly, where is your test footage for us to review? Your tone is not helping here. Your opinions are totally valid but let's not stoop to personal attacks, please.
Hi Curtis, great video! I can see you reply to most if not all messages I hope you have a change to reply to mine too. I am quite new to cinematography, I love cinema and currently reading for codecs, containers and more. You said “you get much better codecs”. So, if I have a cheap dslr like D5100, or better a D610 and get atomos to record 10bit 422 Chroma subsampling prores? I don’t understand if the bit depth, the Chroma subsampling and the codec is is up to the censor the camera or the recording media. If the last one is true, then we never record to our camera again and just buy an atomos. Right?
Hi, the ProRes or DNxHR codecs have a few advantages. One is that they can support greater bit depth and color information but that will not make much of a difference when the camera only feeds 8-bit 4:2:2 (like the D610). However, they can capture more information for each frame which can help when shooting action. Despite their much larger size, these codecs also play back smoothly during editing which is also very helpful. And of course the Atomos recorders have the tools to help with exposure, focus, and composition (I can see issues on a 7 in screen that I cannot see on a 2-3 in screen). I hope that helps and best wishes!
would you suggest buying an atomos e.g. ninja v external recorder for an improvement in image quality for the a7iii? or would you rather just buy an atomos shinobi external monitor only?
Hi Valentine, it depends on your workflow. If you edit on a Mac, the fact that you can record to ProRes can make editing easier. But I'm not sure you'll see a massive improvement in video quality since I believe the Sony A7iii only outputs 8 bit 4:2:0 via its HDMI port. It is really more about the file formats (ProRes) and exposure tools and larger screen.
Can I use my existing wifi app/tablet with GH5 to control the camera while recording to the Atomos?
Confirmed - just tried it with my GH5s and ATOMOS Sumo and the Panasonic app. The screen on the camera blanked out, which I haven't experienced before, but that may be another setting.
Very fine cut @12:55 :) That was nice.
I like your reviews. But time I like it more, they way you dismissed after the quick review.
Looking to use Atomos in my next project after watching this review.
+Advait Thakur thanks Advait!
Is there an SD version of this device that can record from composite video sources? I saw the ClearClick ones on amazon but I want something a little more professional. Maybe an HD one but can record from analog sources. I don't care about 4k.
There isn't from ATOMOS as far as I'm aware. Not sure about other manufacturers. Sorry about that.
I was wondering about audio on the Ninja Inferno. I saw your audio review of the Shogun that you did, but I haven't seen anyone do a review on the Ninja Inferno's audio yet and was wondering if you thought it was a good option rather than using my H4n Pro with Rode NTG4+? Thanks!
+Adam Rickman hi Adam, unfortunately the review unit did not come with the mic breakout cable so I was not able to test the Ninja's preamps. I would except about the same performance as the original Shogun which was decent sound but not particularly clean. I still use external audio recorders.
Curtis Judd I was going to assume that. Thanks so much for your reply and help!
Awesome video curtis! Just curious- at 1:15 and 8:55, is the anton battery powering everything there? How exactly do you have it all rigged up? Also, what cage did you get for the shogun?
Thanks! :D
+Wingroll just the camera in this case. I still need to find an adapter to make it work with the Ninja Inferno.
oh nice! what adapters did you use for connecting it to the gh5?
It is a hodge podge of components:
Zacuto Zwiss Plate V2: bhpho.to/2v130RZ
Anton Bauer Battery Plate: bhpho.to/2vkKJBG
Switronix P-Tap to GH dummy battery: bhpho.to/2v19mRr
Ah I see! thanks for the info Curtis!
I'm actually use a canon 60D for all my works... I'm thinking of buying a monitor recorder, but I do not know which one. Black Magic Video assist or Atomos (but i dont know which... Ninja, Blame, inferno...). Geart work with you content!! Helps me a lot :)
Hi Rick, thanks! One note, I’m not sure that the 60D is capable of sending a full resolution, clean feed via HDMI so recording and monitoring of the HDMI signal doesn’t work very well, unfortunately. The 60D is a good camera, one that I used and loved for several years. But unfortunately a little older and doesn’t support clean HDMI feeds. Good luck!
Curtis Judd Thanks for the feedback :)
so, i have a need to record college classes and was hoping to use the combination of the nikon D3300 and the Atmos ninja 2. my recordings do not have to be stellar. I just need to capture viewable video and decent sound. Are there any setting combinations that will get me at least a good video?
Yes, you'll just want to make sure the HDMI output on the D3300 is set to clean (so that none of the control information is sent to the HDMI out) and that it is set to 100% coverage (for some reason, some of the Nikon DSLRs thought it would be clever to have a setting where it only covered 95% of the full HD resolution).
Useful video as always. Thanks. I've noticed some pretty nasty motion artifacts in the GH4/GH5 cameras where even moderately fast subjects will produce a strobing/smearing motion blur effect as they move across the frame. It's generally accepted that this is a codec limitation issue. Even though the GH5 400mbs All-I update may solve this, I'm still seriously considering an external recorder. Curtis, I wonder if you have noticed a clear improvement regarding this specific strobing artifact when using the Atomos.
Hi Heathcliff, I haven't done any formal tests with the GH5 and motion, but I have definitely seen such issues with other lower bit-rate footage from other cameras in the past. I'll endeavor to do that next time I find myself in a situation where I can.
Thanks Curtis. In my experience, the effect is most noticeable (certainly emotionally) when performers (actors/dancers) wipe frame - the motion effect resembles a momentary drop in frame rate, say 25fps to 15, although it has nothing to do with frame rates directly. As I said, it's probably the Long GOP codec struggling to handle movement in 4K. Pretty nasty and it can take you out of the emotional moment. Thanks again.
That makes sense and I will be interested to see how the All-I codec manages this. Should be at least somewhat more effective.
Mr Judd:
Great review on the recorders. I have been shooting with a canon xf405. It does record 4K 8 bit on sd cards, but has the option of using the sdi port to output 4:2:2 10bit. What im scratching my head about is will there be a difference. There is no log option, just MP4 or HAVC. Will I see a difference between 8 bit and the ten bit, with the log option?
Hi Bill, you will see a tiny difference in a few situations. Many people test this by shooting skies and looking for banding. But one thing some people get confused about is thinking that 10-bit will extend the dynamic range of their camera (it will not).
@Johnathon Frumdehood Panasonic GH5 and GH5S? It is my understanding that they will deliver 4:2:2 10-bit via their HDMI outputs.
Hi Curtis. We have the 30 minutes limitation with the gh4 here in Europe. Will the addition of the atomos overcome that issue?
Hi Alejandro, the ATOMOS will record for as long as you have power and drive space. You'll just need to keep the camera from going to sleep.
@@curtisjudd thank you very much. You are doing a great job with your channel.
I've been playing with the Ninja Flame and an A7iii. Where is a good place to really learn all the details of how to work with these recorders. Is there a course online dedicated to this subject? Really enjoyed the video! Thanks!!
Thanks Michael. Unfortunately I’m not aware of an online course. Manual is pretty decent. Best wishes!
Thanks! I Didn’t even realize that they had manuals on the website. DOE!! 🤪
That should help a lot!
I just got a new Atomos Ninja V and I was able to record and playback on Ninja and was able to hear the audio, so I took the Sony ssd disk out from the Atomos and plugged it on my Mac and tried to play the mov file and was not able to hear the sound, do you know what could have caused that.. Is there a way I should record in Atomos ? Thanks for your assistance
Hi Pradeep, if the sound is recorded to channels 2 or higher, it won't necessarily play back unless you import the file into a video editing app or DAW. If that doesn't solve it, may be best to contact ATOMOS support. Best wishes!
"and you are now dismissed" - you captured my attention so well, that threw me off :)
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Since the Sony A7 cameras only output 8bit 4:2:2 is there any reason getting anything other than the ninja flame in terms of recording quality? Thanks
Going with one of the higher spec'd Atomos recorders may give you more years of service for when the Sony cameras can do more (and higher frame rates, etc).
the Sony records 4:2:0 internally, so you have more colour info if you use the external recording with a Sony. its still 8bit but its 4:2:2 instead of 4:2:0. so definitely a good reason
Yes, true. The extra color info is not generally a night and day sort of difference but can help when keying or color grading.
Thank you for an awesome review. Quick question: I have the Shogun inferno, with Panasonic EVA1 Camera, and also a Canon C 300 Mark II. Can i record 10bit-4K-60fps on the shogun? What about 1080p slow mo (120-240fps)...is there a way to record on the SSD drive, and get the same quality, and record in Pro Res? Or do I have to record internally using the cards ..on the EVA1?
Hi Ron, thanks. Yes, UHD or 4K DCI 60p to ProRes or DNxHR. Also, as a bonus, you can record raw from your C300II up to 4K DCI 30p. You can see all of the specs here: www.atomos.com/shogun-inferno
Thanks, oh yes, it's right there. Duh!! LOL Thank you. Great vidoes.
You can record Canon c300mkll raw dng but you cannot playback Video which suck, not sure other camera is like that or just the Canon.
Thanks, good to know. That'd be a tough way to work without playback.
Curtis, what is the handle you are using? What is your Atomos attached to? Who makes that handle? I want something similar to throw on my Canon 1Dx mark ii, so I have a flexible way to manipulate my Shogun Inferno.
Hi Serge, that's the Varavon Zeus Uni camera cage: th-cam.com/video/cAwCMkiiKd0/w-d-xo.html
You'll want to check to the specs to make sure it can expand enough to fit around the 1Dx mkII.
Curtis Judd thank you sir
Can you power the Ninja Inferno with a D-tap battery (that may already be on your rig)?
Yes, with a D-Tap to DC adapter like this: amzn.to/2Gax1nS
I have a question: Canons new cameras can't shoot video in 24 fps - (e.g. the new 90D) Despite that, is an external recorder able to record in 24 fps?
Unfortunately no. The camera defines the frame rate.
Great video! I have a question .I always shoot on 24p and I'm not interested for the 50p. On my GH5 i can record 4K DCI on 4:2:2 10-bit at ALL-Intra codec. Is this codec inferior to ProRes or same ? And if is the same (my opinion is that is the same) what the need to spend 1295$ to buy atomos shogun inferno when smallHD FOCUS costs just 500$ and makes the same job?
Hi Vasilis, there are other factors as well. ProRes is a much better codec for editing - it plays back much more smoothly without needing to transcode. Also, there are several very useful exposure tools in the Atomos, also affordable SSD storage. A much larger and brighter screen is also very useful. Not everyone needs an Atomos recorder, but they provide a lot of value beyond just image quality of the codec.
Great video! I wonder if that XLR input on the Atomos Ninja Inferno is that high quality ... 😁
I wonder as well if Curtis find a way to use it, or is it really useless with the funky (and too short?) XLR cable adapter?
I didn't receive the adapter cable to test the preamps with the Ninja Inferno, unfortunately. I didn't end up using the XLR inputs on my Shogun more than a couple of times in 2.5 years because it was awkward with the breakout cable and while the preamps sounded pretty decent, they weren't super clean.
@@curtisjudd GREAT video - as always! THX.
If you don't record the sound via the Atomos, is there a way to hook up a Zoom H6 or F4/8 "in line" (keeping video & audio connected to avoid synching in post)?
Just aiming for high quality pre-amps, as you do.
THX for clarifying.
@@AkashaYogaAcademy Yes, you could feed the audio to the camera from the recorder (preferably an F4/8) and then the camera will feed it forward to the ATOMOS. You could also go line in to the ATOMOS and then use its audio offset feature to nudge the audio back into sync. Personally, seems more straightforward to send audio to camera. The recorder will do the amplification heavy lifting.
@@curtisjudd Great, THX for the clarification.
As an Indie beginner, I will probably go for the Zoom F6.
You mention that the fancy 32 bit non-cliping feature of F6 gets lost when feeding into DSLR.
Do you know if the Atomos Ninja V can handle the full 32 bit spectrum?
(If not, would you recommend to record the audio separately to the F6 SD card and to synch in post?)
THX A LOT for helping us all so much, Curtis!
Sincerely appreciated.
Hello excellent video I have an inferno I use it in a video clip and I have noise in the image that can cause this
Hi Diego, usually noise comes from the camera unless the HDMI cable has gone bad. Almost always it is the camera set at a very high ISO.
I use the 4k version of the Blackmagic Design Video Assist. Would there be any advantage of getting an Atomos?
Hi RustyTube, I haven't used the Video Assist before so I can't say for sure, but I suspect there are a few differences: The biggest difference is the HDR screen on the current generation ATOMOS gear. My experience with other BMD products is that the physical build is probably better on the Video Assist.
Hi Curtis, thanks for your review.
If I plug a rode mic on my GH5 and want to record with a Ninja Inferno, will I get my mic sound on my recorded files ?
+ChipsLab yes, any audio passes through to the Atomos recorder.
Got more questions Curtis. I recorded HLG shots on the Ninja Inferno with GH5. In FCPX, do we need to choose Wide Gamut for our project and Library ?
Thanks again
Hi, would it do any justice having a Ninja Blade on a c100 markii? I'll be picking up a ninja blade for $350 tomorrow night but I just don't want to be making a mistake.
Yes, you can record to ProRes which I prefer working with in post
Hey Curtis, it's fairly intuitive so I'm pretty sure I know the answer but..The Atomos Ninja inferno isn't compatible with a Canon 5d Mark III correct? I'm not thinking of buying one for a dslr I'm just messing around with a friend's ninja inferno and I tried hooking up my 5d mark III and it's not working but I wanted to double check to see if I'm doing something wrong..
Hey Nathan, I haven't worked with the 5DIII personally, but according to the ATOMOS support site, it does have a clean HDMI output: www.atomos.com/cameras There may still be some limitations. I'd contact their support for details on that. Best wishes!
Thanks for the review. Do you find the the calibration with the iOne Display Pro was effective? I'm debating over the cost of the expensive cable that Atomos sells that is required to calibrate with.
Regarding the case, yep, its a bit lightweight, but that helps cuts down on the overall weight of the product. I use a SmallRig 1788 cage for mine, as I've read that the plastic around 1/4x20 screw mount can crack. It doesn't add a lot of weight, but does offer some additional protection as well as lots of mounting points (1/4x20, 3/8" and Nato rails).
Hi Dave, the calibration seemed effective enough to ensure the colors are in the right ballpark so I can make decent decisions while shooting. On the other hand, the monitor wasn’t far off out of the box. Hard to say whether it is worth the expense of the cable. I’d probably test without first to see if you’re happy with how well the footage does in post where you can assess whether your copy is preventing you from getting the results you need.
All my camera monitors are somewhat off from the results I have in post, and I'm not certain that my Shogun Inferno is actually more accurate than my cameras. The contrast is somewhat lifted in the shadows compared to my cameras and when working in post. The lifted shadows helps see detail, but skews my perception of the image. Lowering the brightness doesn't really help, as the entire contrast moves with it and by the time the shadows look accurate the highlights are flat and lack detail. I guess what I should do is hook up the Inferno to my computer via my BlackMagic DeckLink card and see how that compares.
Good call. When I talked with some of the ATOMOS guys at NAB earlier this year, they seemed to soften on the suggestion that these monitors are up to the task of color/contrast critical grading work. My sense is that the color is decent but that the calibration process is not the same as you would expect on color critical grading monitors.
I didn't mean to imply that I'm not happy with the image quality of my Shogun Inferno, but rather to see if calibrating it will make it more accurate. I think its a great piece of kit and don't have much to complain about.
FWIW, if you were to ask a professional colorist, most would cringe at the idea of using the Inferno for critical color grading in favor of an expensive Flanders Scientific monitor. That said, I think we're quite fortunate with the monitors that are available to use for shooting, compared to what was available 5 or 6 years ago.
Hey curtis what is the attachment called that you are using from your camera to your monitor?
Friction arm?
Are these Atomos recorders compatible with some old DSLRs, for instance, Canon T3i? I think this might be a good and affordable solution in order to extend the video capabilities of this camera, but I have my doubts about if it actually works.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Óscar, I don't have a T3i on hand to confirm, but my understanding is that many of the older Canon DSLRs do not output full HD and don't output a clean feed. Probably best to check the camera compatibility page at www.atomos.com/cameras or you might contact ATOMOS support to confirm. Best wishes!
What do you think about the new Atomos V 5 inch?
Love the form factor. In fact, just had a talk with Mark at ATOMOS a few days ago here: th-cam.com/video/QHpOhVi44yI/w-d-xo.html