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Updates:
1. Atomos has announced the Ninja V will support Pro Res Raw soon through an update.
2. One of our viewers suggested the Startech.com SSD reader. It is cheaper, such smaller and only requires one USB plug. I have purchased it and it works like a dream, so I am recommending it over the Atomos reader, see link below.
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Atomos Ninja V 5" 4K HDMI Recording Monitor Kit with 2 L-Series Batteries, Charger, and Power Adapter
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I have been following you for years, you always make the best test videos, and the most important thing is that you always speak very clearly! It is really nice to those people who are like me as a non-native English speaker to hear that clear English. Thank you, Michael!
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I didn't realize they were so complicated! Thanks for the warning :)
Camera Conspiracies its not for a flip out screen if that is what you were thinking about. Lol. Its for external recording to capture better quality. Love your channel btw.
No flippy flippy?
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Strumzilla lol
I have watched endless videos about these recorders and this one is really helpful - many thanks!
Thank you for sharing. This was a very informative video. Your one of the first to give the total detail what is needed to make a Atomos work.. Its not just the monitor.
Thank you! I made it because it was a nightmare for me to figure out 😂thought I would save you the time
I.T. guy here stumbled across this video. The master caddy is literally just a SSD drive using standard SATA connectors. So good news you can use ANY external Sata adapter/connector to read that drive to your computer, or better yet, run an extended cable from your computers motherboard so you get full speed without using a USB interface.
Many of these adapters have a dock like form factor and external power so it wont need the 2nd USB for power, and I find them to be more reliable.
USB 3.0 is pretty fast, but for large files you will still see a significant difference directly connected to the SATA interface with a fast SSD drive.
Thanks for mentioning regarding hearing the fans while recording sound. I had this problem, so I had to send my Inferno back for repair as it was overheating. Its now working great now, but I still have to be careful when recording sound.
Thanks for the clear and concise comparison!
Great video. Will either of these units receive audio from the camera's built in microphone via the hdmi, so that I can synch in post with audio that I record separately on my external mic and audio recorder? Thanks again for a great comparison.
dude, the SSD savings options you stated... you're a hero.. I was getting frustrated with the $400 1tb ssd from angelwing.. it was really making this less desirable. Thank you!!!
That was a big part of this video!
Thanks for this video, I was really confused about SSD compatibility
Happy Holidays and Christmas EveMM!!!! Blessings to you and your loved ones not only today and these holidays but always!!!
The problem with mounting on the hot shoe is that every time you touch the ninja there is a risk of shaky video.I prefer to mount it to a clamp with a tripod mount
holsteincowboy Good thought. What clamp would be suited?
The Sinvitron 11 inch Magic Monitor Arm + Large Clamp Crab Pliers Clip.12.99 from Amazon.I mount it to the top of a tripod leg @@TheOneMonk
100% this has been my experience as well
Thank you. very informative.
Hello Michael! Great and helpful info! The only thing that i can struggle to find is: Is Ninja V too small to judge focus? Both units are great, 5 inch is better on the go, but i think it is too small to properly see the focus, it is similar like camera backscreen.
4:23 not true anymore. Ninja V supports prores raw.
Merry Christmas Michael :)
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Great review! Thanks
Would you say it's worth buying the ninja v for the a7iii for improvement in image quality or would you rather just buy the atomos shinobi external monitor only?
Great video!! A question....Is it worth a recording monitor, considering that files will be bigger (I don’t know how much) althought easier to edit? I need to buy a monitor but I dont know if I really need the recorder or if 5 inches size is enough to check the focus on what I will be recording. I would appreciate your help about it!! Thank you
Seeing these recorders makes me want to see comparisons between footage captured with these versus the 10-bit and 12-bit RAW that Magic Lantern enables in the Canon 5D Mark III. Magic Lantern also offers waveforms and vectorscopes for use in preview and in recording standard footage. The advantage these recorders would have would be that their monitor screens are much higher resolution, much larger, and keep the focus and exposure aids enabled during recording. Nevertheless, a comparison on TH-cam would be nice to see in the future. As much as I want dual pixel autofocus for video, I also want to get back to trying RAW recording, which my 5D Mark II could never quite do well enough for my liking even though the Magic Lantern developers seem determined to milk every ounce of performance out of that legendary camera. Thanks for the excellent comparison between these two devices and warning us about the overpriced pitfalls of some of the add-on options.
Great video, I have a Panasonic GH5 and an Atomos Ninja Inferno. They are both great for this, infact better than the cameras you mentioned.
Will the Ninja V support Prores RAW recording on older cameras such as the Canon C100? (The first version, NOT mark 2).
So you have to audio in to the atomos recorder to get audio? It doesnt record audio from the camera? What about when just monitoring?
Hi. Great guide. One question. Can´t I juts plug the mic into camera instead of the recorder, so I don´t need the fancy 200$ xlr atomos cable when using the inferno?
@MichaelTheMaven thanks for the video it helped clear up some questions i had about the Ninja V. I recently purchased it and have a Sony A7 iii, and i would like to take advantage of the full capabilities of both. You mentioned in this video that if we want to be able to record in Raw that the Shogun is the option to go with. Does that mean the Ninja V is not capable to record Raw? I was a little confused by that. I would love to know how the western digital SSD is working for you with the Ninja V as well. I was gong to purchase the angle bird before i seen your video since I wasn’t to familiar with using the cases that come with the monitors. Thanks and i hope to see a follow up video of your setup if you haven’t already made one. 👍🏾
jonathan jenkins the western digital drive works great! Your hdmi recording ability is going to depend on your camera output. I think A7iii is 8 bit 4:2:2 is the limit. Atomos announced shortly after I made this video the Z6 will so pro Res raw on the ninja v with a firmware update, so that was a surprise. I imagine more cameras are coming but no it looks like the Atomos V will be doing pro res raw with the Nikon z 6 soon! It’s incredible news!
Michael The Maven thanks for replying! Yeah I've heard a little about the Z6 and it looks great. I shoot Sony and hope the upcoming Sony A7 S III will have 10 bit. Oh btw does the 2.5 WD stick out on the Ninja V? I think I'm going to order it if it is flush
jonathan jenkins no it sticks out. Only the angel bird drives are flush. I don’t mind it- way easier to remove
Michael The Maven oh yeah that's right, I almost forgot that it will be difficult to remove if it's flush. Thanks Michael you're awesome, I appreciate the help. Keep up the good work on your channel!
Thanks for the comparison review info. So, you don't get any audio via the hdmi connection out of the camera? Or is the audio into the Ninja V an additional audio track? And, what are the color space and bit depth converting from Sony a7s and a6500 via Ninja V?
The safest answer is “it depends”. Hdmi should support up to 8 channels coming out of the camera which can be monitored and recorded on the hdmi recorder, the input gives you 1 more track (l/r). In practicality, there are issues where the audio wasn’t synced or coming in at all, and in those cases I tend to want to feed it directly into the hdmi recorder vs going through the camera. Supported bit depths & chroma subsampling is usually in the specs of all cameras, I can’t remember what it is for the a7s (I think it’s 4K out 8 4:2:0. A6500 is same I think.
Great review... thank you very much... I have a question... Does the Crucial MX500 1TB work fine with the Ninja V+????
at the same price, what do you prefeer, ninja inferno or shogun flame? for sony a7s2 and other cameras
Super explanation Michael for those seeking the truth....great vid!
Yeah the thing that really gets me on here, which I didn't know, is that the HDMI CABLE needs to be a certain kind in order to get 4k 10-bit 60fps. It's crazy how little thing has to be correct in order to get these best image qualities. But it's good to know.
Great video ! In your opinion, which is better between the two for a Canon R5 for 4K 60p? Thanks in advance.
The dual USB ports on the reader there are for the old type of spinning drives. When you plug one in, it draws too much power and won't get up to speed then start reading. If you stick with SSD's, you shouldn't have to plug in the secondary. You can also pick up a cheap external SSD dock and pull the data off of that.
Hi Michael. Your videos are the bestest. I saw 1 video where the gentlemen uses an atimos monitor to help him with better fine focusing on wildlife stills and the video results are impressive. What do you think ?
what about the audio quality in the recorder themselves? BM video assist 4k highlights a -129db noise floor
The Inferno kit is on sale right now for 599, hell of a deal!
The image quality in these when he turns them on is unbeleivable.
I have the Ninja V for use with my Nikon Z6. For use with the master caddy, I bought a SanDisk Ultra 3D NAND 2TB SATA III 2.5” SSD for $275, which works great on the Ninja V. For use with a Thunderbolt 3 MacBook Pro, I bought the StarTech.com USB C To SATA Adapter - for 2.5” SATA Drives External Hard Drive Cable for less than $19, which works just fine for importing video. It’s just USB-C, not T3, but it’s still very fast for getting the footage copied to my SSD RAID system. The quality of video captured on the Ninja V using the Apple ProRes codec is stunning. I agree with Michael that it’s a fantastic product!
Michael
I just got my atomos ninja and i am shooting with a sony a6500, any ideas where to get a full tutorial from a begginer point of view from setting it up to operating it properly?
i will be getting a Sony A7III soon but i need to figure this out first with the A6500.
thanks in advance
A6500 Crash Course is right here: www.canontrainingvideo.com/downloads-c-9_16/sony-a6300-a6500-crash-course-download-only-p-108.html?zenid=s57g8rjjjpqsi7kfgmpkurtat6
Thanks for the information. I got a Ninja Inferno connected to a Sony HXR-NX80. However, I have a hard time to record with it. Any help is appreciated.
So this is a screen only or is this a device that allows you to stream? Like the YOLOBOX
Hello
Jus wanted to know how to externally power the ninja v
I am using the xt3 and am buying the anker power bank
I don’t want lots of batteries in my kit , I shoot for like 7-8 hours
Any suggestions
Hi Maven, may I ask, in your experience at what situation do you need an external recorder to get better color, where you can really see the difference between using one and not? I am using a7sii and maybe I need one. Thank you sir.
MMP large displays, paying customers, lots of moving subject matter, grading
Michael The Maven thank you sir.
You had me at, "just trying to save you guys some money" I just got a Panasonic G9 which does 4k@60fps vid and I'm looking to extract the best vid quality from this camera. The long/short is thanks for vid its helping.
I bought this to go with the Panasonic GH5 which is geared towards video. The G9 is geared more for photo, particularly sports and fast action photography. Unfortunately...one of the biggest reasons to purchase an external monitor recorder like these two units is to get 4:2:2 10Bit recording which the G9 will not output through the HDMI like the GH5 does.
So these records can't receive the audio signal from the hdmi out of the camera ?
You can feed the audio through the HDMI. I’ve done that for many years.
any benefits in 2021 for the sony A7C?
Is it safe to say the the only 3 major differences between the Inferno and V is the Size, ProresRaw capability, and built material? Or are their any other Major difference.
If you have the the Nikon z6ii upgraded to 12 bit pro res raw through external monitor, will it be compatible with both of these atomos monitors?
Wow. I just bought the 7" inferno over the Ninja V. The reason is that I found that B&H was offering a better deal on the complete kit vs the kit version of the Ninja V.
Of course I'm pairing this with a Nikon 810 (Which I bought 5 years ago as a DSLR) I'm now taking advantage of it as a 1080p video camera for recording corporate training sessions which is currently being done by someone on their smart phone.
This video was very informative. Had I seen it prior, I may have opted for the NinjaV, but I'm extremely happy with the Inferno. I have a shotgun mic on top of the Camera and I've bought an arm that can attach to my tripod head (Manfrotto 502) to hold the Inferno.
Of course a good shout out to B&H.
A side note.... for my computer builds I tend to use Samsung Pro and Evo drives. The only problem... try finding one in stock. Lucky for me. I have a couple 250GB drives from an old build where I can at least do 20 min videos.
Thanks you just convinced me not to buy this ! Really appreciate the savings
2020 now and enjoying your video. Fyi Atomos also support the JVC video cameras e.g. JVC GY-LS300 as do B and H Photo...Laurie NZ
for sony a7s2 ninja v o ninja flame , its ok?
Hi,
I am shooting with a Panasonic GH5 camera and a X 2 Anamorphic projection lens.
When I shoot in 24p with the GH5 the Atomos Ninja Inferno allows me to de-squeeze image with 2 X 4:3 option.
But when I shoot in 4K 60p with the GH5 the Ninja Inferno does not have 2 X 4:3 option.
Selecting manual mode on my GH5 seems to allow correct de-squeeze aspect ratio for 4K 60p, but there is clearly light & image quality loss shooting in ‘M’ manual mode, as apposed to shooting in Movie mode on GH5, which has mode specific to shooting with an Anamorphic lens.
I have latest V8.5 firmware, so update didn’t solve this problem.
Any ideas why this is?
Do you think using a Ninja V with a Lumix GH5 is worth it given that the GH5 now records 400mb/s and 10-bit color internally? As far as I can tell the only benefit of the external recorder at that point would be the ProRes format for editing...
Difference in audio recording quality???????
ive been looking at the ninja v for my c300 mk1 since it came out. im fine with only getting 8-bit but the codecs seems nice. i heard rumors that if i get this recorder i will be able to shoot 1080p 60fps instead of as it is now, only being able to shoot 60fps in 720p... can this be right? if it is, this is a must buy for me!
Whilst the Atomos Ninja V or the Ninja Inferno are capable of recording 1080p at 60fps, as to whether or not it's possible to record at this resolution and frame rate on the C300 Mk 1, depends on what configuration the camera's HDMI port is capable of sending out.
I've checked the Atomos web site for supported recorders they recommend for the Canon C300, and the two models are the Shogun Flame and the Ninja Flame. For both the HDMI and SDI interfaces on the camera, the maximum progressive resolution given for 1080p is 30fps. It should be noted that there is time code included with the SDI output, but not the HDMI output, and if time code data is a must for post production work flow, then perhaps it may be worthwhile to consider confirming with Atomos if the Shogun Flame may be a better recommendation than the Ninja V or Flame models:
www.atomos.com/cameras/canon-eos-c300
Here is a review by Philip Bloom on the Canon C300:
philipbloom.net/blog/c300/
You may check with Canon and ask if they have any firmware or any necessary hardware upgrades available for your c300 Mk 1, to allow shooting with 1080p at 60fps; the Shogun Flame does support 1080p at 60fps:
downloads.atomos.com/shogun-flame/Shogun_Flame_User_Manual.pdf
can the atomos ninja v record direct to ssd from hdmi output
I have been using Atomos recorders since the first Ninja 1. You don't need two USB ports to use the dock, unless you have a very old computer that will not supply enough power to run your drive. Batteries are a big concern. The Ninja V is very power hungry. You will need multiple large NPF batteries which makes the unit a bit unwieldy. I use an external battery and connect to the Ninja V with a dummy battery. I use the IndiPro PortaPak. The fan on the Ninja V is not a problem. When you power it on, you'll hear the fan kick in, but in a few minutes it settles down. You can record a few moments of this ambient noise and use an audio program to remove this, but I've never found this necessary. You are right to point out that these units are not "ready to go" out of the box. In the old days, they were more complete. Purchasers will need batteries and chargers, caddies and drives, HDMI 2.0 cables, and some sort of way to mount the unit. A lot of people are surprised by this. You are also very right to point out one of the main features of the units is the ProRes codec. This makes it possible to edit your footage without a super computer. SSD's are also the cheapest storage media. I edit right off the caddies without transferring the files. This is a big time saver. I watched this because there is a black friday bundle on the Inferno at Videoguys.com and I was thinking I might pick up a forth recorder as I do multicam event video.
Anyone got experience with the Atomos V paired with the Sony FS5II? Do I get 4kp60 via HDMI?
So is the Ninja V can record 120fps on Full HD?
Thanks dude!
You don't have to use the Atomos branded SATA SSD to USB 3.0 reader. There are probably dozens of options available online that are cheaper and don't require two USB cables. And just about any decent SSD will work just fine with the data rates and codecs that these recorders offer
Any links or suggestions?
@@MMaven I have one from StarTech.com, but it doesn't really matter. And I'm not saying that the Atomos reader is bad, I just didn't want people to have the impression that it's the only option.
Do you can’t record audio directly over HDMI?
What about the recording specs? Aren’t the recording specs/quality better in the Inferno vs the Ninja V?
Same. I don't know if the inferno will support pro res however.
@@MMaven does it
can u still record video on the ninja v?
How long does the battery last when recording? 2-3-5 hours?
What about fan noise?
Can you use the plastic caddy on the ninja v too?
ajschot yes! It’s a no brainer, is rather have the extra $200
Will Atomos record 4:2:2 proRes if the camera (a6500) records 4:2: 0?
Yes . Check out "Gerald undone's" video on it
Does it suppot canon 77d?
Hi, could you please answer something for me as I'm very interested in this. Say for example if im using the Sony a7 iii with 4k 30fps output, will the ninja be able to record that in 4k 60fps? Is this how they work?
Nope. The recorder only records native frame rates, up to 60fps. The A7iii goes only up to 4k30. So you're limited to 4k30.
Imagine a farmer pulling out carrots. He can only pull out 30 carrots per min.
But if he has to carry it on his back, he's limited to how many carrots he can carry before running back and forth the farm (sensor) and warehouse (SSD/SD card).
If he has a conveyor belt (HDMI) that delivers the carrots straight into the warehouse, he can unload more carrots.
But he is still limited by his limit of 30 carrots per min, since his hands can only move at that speed.
The chroma sub-sampling does go up to 8 bit 422, but you're only getting an upgrade from 420 to 422 which isn't much.
The only big upgrade for colours is from 8 bit to 10 bit.
Gerald Undone has a video showing the difference between 422 and 420. In real world use, it's hard to break the limitations unless you're turning the sky green and the grass pink.
The advantage is, like what Michael said, the video saved in the SSD are much easier to edit, and hold better information, and potentially holds up better when you colour grade.
Some of the cameras capable of 4k60 are cinema cameras, Panasonic, Fuji, and A7S3. Canon is a good camera that can make grilled cheese in between shots.
@@professionalpotato4764 thanks so much for this reply. I really appreciate the help
@@walkervision8176 You're welcome :)
Is it really necessary to have a 1 Tb SSD if you format it every day? How long would a 256 GB SSD last in a 4k raw shoot?
Austin Simpson Films you want the 1tb for space. 256 wont last long if you are shooting raw or 10 bit 422
Do the inferno take sdi?
Big sale on all Ninjas except the V time to buy now.
you didnt mention if they both are capable of recording the same formats or not
A little time on the batteries might have been useful. For some reason I call the two pin plugin a 'Sony' battery but I don't know why. I have batteries for a Lilliput monitor and a smaller series for a slider. Maybe they'd be suitable, maybe I'm supposed to know stuff like that ... thank you ... it was time well spent.
Jim Cochrane There are different size Sony batteries that will give you different amounts of time depending on how much you’re using it so it’s kind a hard to say exactly
Can the Ninja V record anamorphic 4k 60fps and monitor it as well?
yes
is the ninja v capable of recording 1080p in 100FPS/120FPS with the Sony a7III? Or is 1080P 50P/60P the limit?
I think you can only use the Atomos for monitoring in 120fps at 1080p with that setup. I believe that you then record internally to the a7iii. So monitor on atomos, record onto internal a7iii card.
And you'll only be seeing 60fps on the Atomos. I didn't make that very clear above lol
I now have a Ninja V as well as a Ninja Inferno. I'm thinking of selling the inferno!
can u still record video on the ninja v?
Great video Michael !!
When is your Z6 Video Course s expected release ? Count us in as your first customers.
Merry Christmas from New Delhi , India .
Abhijeet Sharan thank you! The Z6 tutorial is here: canontrainingvideo.com/downloads-c-8_14/nikon-z6-z7-crash-course-download-p-132.html?zenid=gok4av0qg3nkuvb2spoeun0k54
Im surprised there is not an ultra compact one with no screen an just an sd slot.
I know the ninjas can't shoot "raw" but they can shoot log right? im 99% sure the answer is yes but i just want to make sure
GuyFox Yes
Why are you worried about the strenght of the XLR breakout cable? It's a LEMO connection and they ar sturdy af. You would break your cable quicker than that connector. Then why are you not worried at all about that 1 dollar HDMI adapter. Using that thing is asking for heaps of problems.
Which one would be best for the Sony A73?
Ninja V but with the sony you dont get as much benefit as you would think using external recording. You get the pro res and can burn in some luts but I believe that with a little extra color is the only benefit besides the big screen.
A lot of noise about Ninja V, and i understand the exitment of all videomakers, but to be honest the screen size is close to my camera screen, so i dont see big advatnage for Ninja V . I bet that Inferno is much better option.
you did a whole review, and you never even turned them on ;)
This was not a review - it was a buyers guide thanks
@@MMaven sure thing, and it was a few years ago, was just saying would have been great to at least see them in working order.... otherwise it feels like you have 2 broken units there.
Why do you call them “HDMI recorders”???
so whats the actual difference???
Ninja v looks soooooo small here. I'm thinking to upgrade to the Inferno
In your description you don't list the WD Blue 1TB, but show it being $139 at 7:00. It's actually $249 at B&H as of May 2019. Where did you find it for $139? www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1287124-REG/wd_wds100t1b0a_00h9h0_1tb_blue_sata_iii.htmlYou do however list the G Technology Caddy twice in the description.
The accessories alone are more expensive than the ninja v what the hell!
$200 for the XLR Breakout cable..... by ATOMOS
8:05 use a powerbank instead
6:53
just lost all intrest in external recorders 😂
$200 for a cable? Sounds like a ripoff.
This reader is total ripoff. You can buy Sata to USB cable for 2$. You can buy Sata to eSata cable for 3$ and it's faster and more reliable.
Agree- see description
You really need to deesser you audio. It's a pain lol