Fine, you know what? My Great Great Grandfather was the original Italian lineage I have. Maybe Italy should stop taking in complete foreigners and calling them citizens when they don't have thousands of years of ancestry in Italy. I can't understand why Italy would want to make it harder for us to return. Why Italy is so eager to take Africans, people from other parts of Europe or Asia as immigrants and call them more Italian than people whose family was there for thousands of years before a few generations deviated. If that's the Italy they want, with a skilled labor shortage and so many willing and even affluent Italians by Descent that could contribute, well I think they'll find out how that policy goes in the long run. I am deeply disappointed in the way Italy has come to view their own children.
Italian citizenship recognition rests on the foundation of the transmission of citizenship by blood. The part of this proposal introducing an Italian anguage requirement is new and is unrelated to citizenship by blood. An Italian citizen can be born anywhere and not need to speak Italian. If they resided in Italy then they would need to speak Italian but that is a different matter than citizenship recognition.
Thank you for this, sir. I'm applying (whenever a Detroit consulate appointment opens!) through my great-great grandfather from Modena and have studied some Italian in the past (as a college student and while working for an Italian firm). I've started studying again just to fit in better if I get the chance to move to Italy, and now I know that I may have a legal reason to study as well.
Thank you for sharing your situation. Please note you can apply in italy because of the lack of appointments with Detroit. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
Requiring residency for citizenship by descent for anything past 3 generations is no longer citizenship by descent, but citizenship by residency. It would basically be doing after with citizenship by descent for anything past your great grandfather.
Good morning, Italian language is one - dialects are not legally considered for the purposes of the applications of Italian Citizenship. Sincerely, The Team-
I am working on filing my 1948 case now. One reason is so that my 20 year old daughter will be included in my case. This new law would potentially disqualify younger people who Italy needs more than older retired people.
I am not in full agreement with this proposed legislation because it attempts to change the legal concept of citizenship “de jure sanguinis.” Italian descendants are not applying for citizenship, in which case parliament can legislate requirements, but recognition of Italian citizenship already acquired by current Italian law .This being said, there is merit to the concept of a cultural connection to Italy Including language skills, knowledge of Italian history and current events. However, a cultural connection is very different from the legal concept of citizenship.
Hi, i am from the UK but my grandmother was Italian and moved to the UK in 1957, never renounced her citizenship, died in 1969 and returned to be buried in Italy. All of her children including my mother were born after 1948. Now the fact that my grandmother is buried in her birth place, does this effect the efficency of the process? Grazie
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
If an Italian woman married a foreigner in Italy, not in another country, did she also lose her citizenship in the same way a woman who married a foreigner abroad did? Also, under the UK law at the time, would she have automatically become a British citizen if she married an Englishman outside of the UK?
Good afternoon - please note a woman didn't lose Italian Citizenship by marrying another men. So you might be eligible. We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
If you want a more detailed consultation on your specific case, and so a final answer, we strongly encourage you to book a consultation call. We cannot provide consultation here, especially without knowing anything on a specific case. Best Regards The Team-
What would happen if on the same citizenship application, there are cousins who are both 3 and 4 generations removed? What if 1 person on the application passes the language tests, but the others don't?
Yes, the 1948 Cases will be open. We provided the details we have until now, as the Law proposal is still a simple Draft. If there'll be updated, we will certainly make a new video, so keep following the channel. Sincerely, The Team-
Buongiorno, you mentioned in proposal 1 they are talking about introducing a new legislation for the 1948 cases? Is there any mention in the draft of what this legislation is or could be?
Buongiorno, a draft about the 1948 cases is another separate draft, which is not directly mentioned into the Main one, but it’s part of the same discussion with the Parliament Commission. We will talk about the 1948 in another video, so keep following us .
My Grandfather AND Grandmother were italians. They came to live to Mexico in 1908 aprox. How do I do to get the italian citizenship for me AND my sons?
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
I have residency, I can pass a language test, and I am only 3 generations removed. What’s absurd is that Italy won’t let me, a person genetically linked to this country, apply for citizenship because my great-grandfather had to take American citizenship to be married there. So, to the Italian government, he “cut” his familial link to Italy. As a Sicilian, after Garibaldi’s takeover of Sicily, there weren’t a lot of choices…hence why half of the Kingdom of 2 Sicilies had immigrated to the US by 1924… It’s really silly that the Italian government is punishing genetic descendants from gaining citizenship when they are loosing 52% of their laureati every year…
I was in the same situation. I’m Sicilian and my father, grandfather, etc all born in Palermo migrated to the USA in 1962. They’re were one of the most notorious criminals in the USA. When my twin and I applied, our birth certificates show our father was born in Italia. So when we went through the process, they totally skipped the part to check if he had naturalized. There were tons of fbi/gov court records, news papers, etc that verified that my father and family were in the United States so we were granted Italian citizenship rather quickly lol. We had friends that applied through the consulate in San Francisco without any issues. We also know a lot of people who had many issues through the NYC consulate and LA. I guess it’s basically a coin toss and some luck in this process. Don’t give up!
I am first generation Australian born, Both my parents were born in Italy and have never taken an Australian citizenship, does this mean it would be easy for me to get an Italian Citizenship by Descent
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
Quick question. My italian ancestor is my great-great-great grandfather. According to the proposal am I likely to have to reside in Italy and speak italian b1? Or is it only after than the great-great-great grandfather?
My father got Italian citizenship after I turned 18, so i want to know if it’s possible for me get citizenship after this and getting a lawyer would be any help in this case?
Good morning, you need to file an application . Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Regards The Team-
I'm trying to get the Italian citizenship by descent correct. Please some help: My great-grandfather was born in Sicily in 1892 and came to America in 1910. He wasn't naturalized. He married another unnaturalized Italian in 1915 and gave birth to my grandfather in 1918. My grandfather married an Italian descent American and gave birth in 1944 to my mother (an only child). My mother was impregnated by an Italian man but they never married, and his name wasn't put on my birth certificate. Based on this narrative, might I be eligible to be an Italian citizen by descent? Thank you!
What if I speak Italian at a C2 level and I can prove that in the past I live there for three years, and I have fifth generation ancestors, and I can prove. But I’m not able to live there now because I work in US.
Keep following us for mow updates on this. In case you need a check on your case, please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
Good morning, we can. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case : mbersanilaw.com/contatti Sincerely, The Team-
Is this draft being considered because of the current more nationalist government makeup? They want people who might seem to be "more Italian ", and thus could add these language and residency requirements?
Italian parliament website shows all the daily/weekly news, but it may be hard to read it if you’re not used to. Keep following our channels for any related update.
desperate to reverse a declining population, Io amo L'italie. Molta Bella - Roma, Firenze, Venezia and Milano - Ho visitato l'anno scorso - Fantastico.
Buona sera, “se” la legge verra’ approvata tra un anno o piu, cosa accade se la documentazione per cittadinanza viene iniziata oggi? Si eviterebbe il Language Test in questione?
Buonasera, questo dipende dalle disposizioni del testo definitivo. Se la nuova legge conterrà una clausola di retroattività, il test sarà per tutti. Ad oggi non vi sono clausole di retroattività nella bozza di legge.
It's interesting that they want to tighten requirements for Italians by blood but have no intention to stop people just showing up by boat.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Sincerely
The Team-
100%!
I don't think those people are getting CITIZENSHIP though
Fine, you know what? My Great Great Grandfather was the original Italian lineage I have. Maybe Italy should stop taking in complete foreigners and calling them citizens when they don't have thousands of years of ancestry in Italy.
I can't understand why Italy would want to make it harder for us to return. Why Italy is so eager to take Africans, people from other parts of Europe or Asia as immigrants and call them more Italian than people whose family was there for thousands of years before a few generations deviated.
If that's the Italy they want, with a skilled labor shortage and so many willing and even affluent Italians by Descent that could contribute, well I think they'll find out how that policy goes in the long run.
I am deeply disappointed in the way Italy has come to view their own children.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Keep following the channel, we will have good news to share about this.
@@lawfirmbersani Thank you! I will keep checking for more news!
Italian citizenship recognition rests on the foundation of the transmission of citizenship by blood. The part of this proposal introducing an Italian anguage requirement is new and is unrelated to citizenship by blood. An Italian citizen can be born anywhere and not need to speak Italian. If they resided in Italy then they would need to speak Italian but that is a different matter than citizenship recognition.
Thank you for sharing you thought. We will keep you updated if the draft will be amended, so keep following us!
Where can we find updates about if this proposal passes?
Thank you for this, sir. I'm applying (whenever a Detroit consulate appointment opens!) through my great-great grandfather from Modena and have studied some Italian in the past (as a college student and while working for an Italian firm). I've started studying again just to fit in better if I get the chance to move to Italy, and now I know that I may have a legal reason to study as well.
Thank you for sharing your situation. Please note you can apply in italy because of the lack of appointments with Detroit.
Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
The Team-
Requiring residency for citizenship by descent for anything past 3 generations is no longer citizenship by descent, but citizenship by residency. It would basically be doing after with citizenship by descent for anything past your great grandfather.
how is this possible,there are so many different dialects in Italy.
Good morning, Italian language is one - dialects are not legally considered for the purposes of the applications of Italian Citizenship.
Sincerely,
The Team-
Grazie per tenerci informati!
I am working on filing my 1948 case now. One reason is so that my 20 year old daughter will be included in my case. This new law would potentially disqualify younger people who Italy needs more than older retired people.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I am not in full agreement with this proposed legislation because it attempts to change the legal concept of citizenship “de jure sanguinis.” Italian descendants are not applying for citizenship, in which case parliament can legislate requirements, but recognition of Italian citizenship already acquired by current Italian law .This being said, there is merit to the concept of a cultural connection to Italy Including language skills, knowledge of Italian history and current events. However, a cultural connection is very different from the legal concept of citizenship.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Hi, i am from the UK but my grandmother was Italian and moved to the UK in 1957, never renounced her citizenship, died in 1969 and returned to be buried in Italy. All of her children including my mother were born after 1948. Now the fact that my grandmother is buried in her birth place, does this effect the efficency of the process? Grazie
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
The Team-
The requirements seem reasonable
Thank you for sharing your thought!
Grazie for the information
The Italian government shouldn’t be so picky, last I checked they’ve been losing citizens to other countries and have a declining birth rate.
Thank you for sharing your thought!
Grazie, would the changes be applied retrospectively or prospectively. rgds
This is not clear yet from the draft. The final text (if any) should also clarify it too.
Is this likely to pass? If so when? Does a felony in the U.S. disqualify one from Italian citizenship by decent?
what is changing about the 1948 case?
The language part is understandable; the residency portion seems prohibitive.
you will need to reside anyway, instead of trying to gather all the documents from overseas.
If an Italian woman married a foreigner in Italy, not in another country, did she also lose her citizenship in the same way a woman who married a foreigner abroad did?
Also, under the UK law at the time, would she have automatically become a British citizen if she married an Englishman outside of the UK?
Good afternoon - please note a woman didn't lose Italian Citizenship by marrying another men. So you might be eligible.
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
The Team-
@@lawfirmbersani most of the research says that if an Italian woman married a foreigner in 1946, she automatically lost her citizenship
If you want a more detailed consultation on your specific case, and so a final answer, we strongly encourage you to book a consultation call.
We cannot provide consultation here, especially without knowing anything on a specific case.
Best Regards
The Team-
What would happen if on the same citizenship application, there are cousins who are both 3 and 4 generations removed? What if 1 person on the application passes the language tests, but the others don't?
If the language test will be a requirement, an application doesn't exist until all applicants will have all the requirements.
Regards
The Team-
You didn't provide much detail about the 1948 provisions. Would this new proposal allow me to apply for citizenship through a female relative? Thanks!
Yes, the 1948 Cases will be open. We provided the details we have until now, as the Law proposal is still a simple Draft. If there'll be updated, we will certainly make a new video, so keep following the channel.
Sincerely,
The Team-
Buongiorno, you mentioned in proposal 1 they are talking about introducing a new legislation for the 1948 cases? Is there any mention in the draft of what this legislation is or could be?
Buongiorno, a draft about the 1948 cases is another separate draft, which is not directly mentioned into the Main one, but it’s part of the same discussion with the Parliament Commission. We will talk about the 1948 in another video, so keep following us .
My Grandfather AND Grandmother were italians. They came to live to Mexico in 1908 aprox. How do I do to get the italian citizenship for me AND my sons?
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
The Team-
I have residency, I can pass a language test, and I am only 3 generations removed. What’s absurd is that Italy won’t let me, a person genetically linked to this country, apply for citizenship because my great-grandfather had to take American citizenship to be married there. So, to the Italian government, he “cut” his familial link to Italy. As a Sicilian, after Garibaldi’s takeover of Sicily, there weren’t a lot of choices…hence why half of the Kingdom of 2 Sicilies had immigrated to the US by 1924… It’s really silly that the Italian government is punishing genetic descendants from gaining citizenship when they are loosing 52% of their laureati every year…
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
If you have permanent residency and you can pass a B1 language exam. You can apply after 10 years by Naturalization
Yep…same as anyone else. That’s the disappointment, as a descendent.@@relocatetoItaly
I was in the same situation. I’m Sicilian and my father, grandfather, etc all born in Palermo migrated to the USA in 1962. They’re were one of the most notorious criminals in the USA. When my twin and I applied, our birth certificates show our father was born in Italia. So when we went through the process, they totally skipped the part to check if he had naturalized. There were tons of fbi/gov court records, news papers, etc that verified that my father and family were in the United States so we were granted Italian citizenship rather quickly lol. We had friends that applied through the consulate in San Francisco without any issues. We also know a lot of people who had many issues through the NYC consulate and LA. I guess it’s basically a coin toss and some luck in this process. Don’t give up!
dude you are not italian deal.
I am first generation Australian born, Both my parents were born in Italy and have never taken an Australian citizenship, does this mean it would be easy for me to get an Italian Citizenship by Descent
We should better check your case. Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
The Team-
Quick question. My italian ancestor is my great-great-great grandfather. According to the proposal am I likely to have to reside in Italy and speak italian b1? Or is it only after than the great-great-great grandfather?
Hello, if the draft will be ever approved you will fall into the first scenario you wrote.
Sincerely
The Team -
@@lawfirmbersani I appreciate your quick and effective response. So It's better to start this Italian path ASAP.
Is this likely to pass? If so when? Does a felony in the U.S. disqualify you from Italian citizenship by decent?
Grazie
My father got Italian citizenship after I turned 18, so i want to know if it’s possible for me get citizenship after this and getting a lawyer would be any help in this case?
Good morning, you need to file an application .
Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Regards
The Team-
I'm trying to get the Italian citizenship by descent correct. Please some help:
My great-grandfather was born in Sicily in 1892 and came to America in 1910. He wasn't naturalized. He married another unnaturalized Italian in 1915 and gave birth to my grandfather in 1918. My grandfather married an Italian descent American and gave birth in 1944 to my mother (an only child). My mother was impregnated by an Italian man but they never married, and his name wasn't put on my birth certificate. Based on this narrative, might I be eligible to be an Italian citizen by descent?
Thank you!
Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Regards
The Team-
What if I speak Italian at a C2 level and I can prove that in the past I live there for three years, and I have fifth generation ancestors, and I can prove. But I’m not able to live there now because I work in US.
Good morning, there’s no answer to these questions, because there’s not yet a new law in place (and maybe it will be never approved like it is now).
What happened to this legislation? Was it tabled or is it still under consideration?
Good morning, no updates yet.
Keep following our channel as we will keep you updated.
Best regards
The Team-
What would be a general time frame that such proposal could be law?
It’s impossible to make a prediction, but most likely more than 1 year (if they don’t want to rush the discussion for some unpredictable reasons).
When is Italy looking at passing this?
Keep following us for mow updates on this.
In case you need a check on your case, please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
The Team-
My father was italian and I would like to know if you can help me qith the process ?
Good morning, we can.
Please reach us through the contact form for a more detailed and well-oriented consultation on your case :
mbersanilaw.com/contatti
Sincerely,
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Is this draft being considered because of the current more nationalist government makeup? They want people who might seem to be "more Italian ", and thus could add these language and residency requirements?
We don’t think it’s because of that. It seems more an attempt to make a filter in general to the huge number of applicants.
Where can we find updates about if this passed?
Italian parliament website shows all the daily/weekly news, but it may be hard to read it if you’re not used to.
Keep following our channels for any related update.
desperate to reverse a declining population, Io amo L'italie. Molta Bella - Roma, Firenze, Venezia and Milano - Ho visitato l'anno scorso - Fantastico.
Any updates for this? I'm halfway through the process of gathering documents now
Not yet, keep following the channel for any future update.
Does the residency requirement include great-great grandparents?
Good morning, if the law will be approved, yes.
@@lawfirmbersani Thank you
Non mi e chiaro una figlia adulta da padre Italiano deve fare il language test o no.
Buonasera, se le modifiche dovesse entrare in vigore, il Language Test sarebbe necessario per chiunque.
Buona sera, “se” la legge verra’ approvata tra un anno o piu, cosa accade se la documentazione per cittadinanza viene iniziata oggi? Si eviterebbe il Language Test in questione?
Buonasera, questo dipende dalle disposizioni del testo definitivo.
Se la nuova legge conterrà una clausola di retroattività, il test sarà per tutti.
Ad oggi non vi sono clausole di retroattività nella bozza di legge.
@@lawfirmbersani la ringrazio. Il suo canale TH-cam e’ il migliore in questo genere, con informazioni chiare ed aggiornate.
I think that's fair