Dude...EVERY major battle scene has plot armour lmao...u think this is real life where ppl just magically survive impossible odds, it's a fantasy series lmao get out ur head
So you have a wounded enemy lord Pinned down by archers So you send your entire army to go kill him knowing full the threat of dragons swooping in and incinerating them all. Which then the dragon you have already evaded by keeping your troops in the caves comes in to burn all of them despite you knowing full well of that very obvious threat you have only recently had actually been effectively negating. Rather than just have a squad you know attack him all at once rather than one at a time so even if the dragon shows up to save him, you don’t lose your entire army all at once or you know just keep shooting at him.
@@12gark Agreed. Crabfeeder was likely want Daemon's head and the glory to kill the prince of the seven kingdoms would be too much not to pass. But at the same time he was caution for any sign of Dragons. That timing really pay off that lead to his death
This tactic is how Daemon’s grandson, Daeron I will meet his end. The Dornish nobles wanted to meet with Daeron under a flag of truce to discuss terms, he went there with only his Kingsguard and a small group. Upon their arrival the Dornish sprung a trap and killed him.
Sending whole army to kill one guy is stupidity , done only to make daemon look badass . they should have stayed in there caves and let arrows do the rest.
You're not wrong....I thought it too. Decided to just let it ride this time. Just recognize what it is, and enjoy it for the same.....what it is. There is a great deal of legitimate political intrigue in HOTD, so it made it easier to just watch Daemon go all mid evil john wick on everyone! They could've done better at the very end of the battle, it made absolutely no sense, would've been simple to make a few strategic changes there at the last, but keep the badassery too. Oh, well
@@SelfHatingLionsFan The point is that daemon outsmarted the crabfeeder causing a military victory. They can show this in many different ways, and it's not central to the plot which way it happens.
@@davidbadihi3915a lot of setup but s2 episode 3 is probably the best episode of the entire show (at least for me) and episode 7 is really good as well. the finale is a let down but it sets up the first episode of season 3 really well we just have to wait 2 years
@@davidbadihi3915 the season is good but the ending is not well like because the deviat from the source and make rhanerya have a gay love for some reason.
I haven't watched the show, but from what I remember of the original, the sword fighting (if this scene is any indication) Is much better than the original.
The combat in AGOT wasn’t bad until the later seasons, they actually had some really realistic fights earlier, like when the Hound is killing Lannister soldiers inside and inn he goes back and forth between using his sword and just knocking them down with his plated gauntlets, when he doesn’t have enough room to swing his blade, and the battle of the Blackwater Bay was a pretty good depiction of what a melee would look like, just near complete chaos of swords and fists and arrows.
daemon didnt spring no trap, he just acted like a fool and shouldnt have survived this if it wasnt for pure plot armor. its still a cool scene to watch tho
I saw somewhere an archery guy analyzed that scene and said it was kind of ok. Apparently it’s harder than we would think to hit a running target through smoke and other visual obstructions. But when he ended up staying in one place too long the arrows hit Something along those lines.
Arrows historically were very much an 'area defence' weapon. Groups of archers would be told to fire at certain sections of the battlefield in the hopes of hitting whoever is in that area, especially if its a pack of infantry. On the other hand, it is unlikely that the archers are particularly skilled at hitting a moving target from a considerable distance. Arrows are relatively unpredictable and unless you're firing hundreds at a time they're not necessarily going to cover all parts of their attack area. Completely feasible that a single person strafing sideways from their firing position could avoid being hit at that distance. And also the archers probably were drunk, they thought they were on the winning side!
Laenor Velaryon, son of Corlys 'the Sea Snake' Velaryon and Rhaenys 'the Queen Who Never Was' Targaryen. Through his mother he was a grandson of prince Aemon Targaryen and a great-grandson of King Jaehaerys I 'the Old' Targaryen. First cousin once removed to King Viserys I Targaryen. Also first cousin once removed and brother-in-law to Prince Daemon 'the Rogue Prince' Targaryen, through Daemon's marriage to his sister Laena Velaryon. He was a second cousin to the Princes Daeron 'the Daring', Aemond 'One-Eye' and King Aegon II 'the Elder' Targaryen. Also a second cousin and second husband to Rhaenyra 'the Half-Year Queen' Targaryen. Father (or step-father) to Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey Velaryon. Father (or bastard half-brother) to Ser Addam and Alyn 'Oakenfist' Velaryon. Also uncle to Baela and Rhaena Targaryen. Laenor supposedly liked 'the company of men', so he probably was not the father of five (bastard) sons that could carry the Velaryon name. He was - again supposedly - killed on the orders of Daemon Targaryen, widower of his sister, so that Daemon could marry his niece, and Laenor's wife Rhaenyra. Laenor rode the dragon Sea Smoke
By modern standards, yes. Now, I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t think Westeros signed onto the Geneva Convention. I’m also fairly certain neither did the crab-feeder. 🦀 Staking POWs to the sand to be eaten alive by crabs is probably not an acceptable activity. 🤔😅🤷♂️🤣
Just to follow up, the dragons would be out as well! 🐲🔥 Using a flamethrower as an anti-personnel device is also not covered by the Geneva Convention. I’m willing to bet many medieval war tactics are probably not allowed, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.
@@narsilreforged What abilities? If he had abilities then he would not charge the way it did because it would be suicidal, but he did and his enemies were even more stupid and thats why he survived.
@@maddraugr4667 A Mary Sue isn't someone the story sets up to be great, if that were true almost every protagonistever ever would in somewaybe be a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is a flawless character with no justification for there abilities (abilities means any skill the character shows). As for this scene, yes it's pretty dumb, but its not because Daemon is a Mary Sue. Daemon's fighting skill is justified in that he is a trained and very seasoned warrior fighting a group of half starved cave pirates. He doesn't show any new skills he shouldn't have, he just gets insanely lucky. The scene flops because the writers attempt at "suspension of disbelief" failed and took some people out of the experience.
This is GOT, there’s no Geneva Convention.
The most epic fight scene I've seen for ages. Utter respect to Matt Smith.
I didnt know that gordon ramsey can act like this
Oh shit, IT'S SEA SMOKE!!!
Nothing beats a nice set of plot armour, just ask Jonny snow
You can say that to the crab people that were magically blockading and be inside the caves at the same time.
Dude...EVERY major battle scene has plot armour lmao...u think this is real life where ppl just magically survive impossible odds, it's a fantasy series lmao get out ur head
I got to admit that's the best arrow charge I've ever seen
So you have a wounded enemy lord
Pinned down by archers
So you send your entire army to go kill him knowing full the threat of dragons swooping in and incinerating them all. Which then the dragon you have already evaded by keeping your troops in the caves comes in to burn all of them despite you knowing full well of that very obvious threat you have only recently had actually been effectively negating.
Rather than just have a squad you know attack him all at once rather than one at a time so even if the dragon shows up to save him, you don’t lose your entire army all at once or you know just keep shooting at him.
If he was that smart, he wouldn't have lost
@@12gark Agreed. Crabfeeder was likely want Daemon's head and the glory to kill the prince of the seven kingdoms would be too much not to pass. But at the same time he was caution for any sign of Dragons.
That timing really pay off that lead to his death
@@TricksterPoi yep
This tactic is how Daemon’s grandson, Daeron I will meet his end. The Dornish nobles wanted to meet with Daeron under a flag of truce to discuss terms, he went there with only his Kingsguard and a small group. Upon their arrival the Dornish sprung a trap and killed him.
This highlights the problem of recruiting and heiring unskilled cheap personnel.
Where's the Mac Donald's Staff chief ?
Sending whole army to kill one guy is stupidity , done only to make daemon look badass . they should have stayed in there caves and let arrows do the rest.
He is bad arse
You're not wrong....I thought it too. Decided to just let it ride this time. Just recognize what it is, and enjoy it for the same.....what it is. There is a great deal of legitimate political intrigue in HOTD, so it made it easier to just watch Daemon go all mid evil john wick on everyone!
They could've done better at the very end of the battle, it made absolutely no sense, would've been simple to make a few strategic changes there at the last, but keep the badassery too. Oh, well
@@SelfHatingLionsFan”mid evil”??
@@SelfHatingLionsFan The point is that daemon outsmarted the crabfeeder causing a military victory. They can show this in many different ways, and it's not central to the plot which way it happens.
After season 2, I almost forgot Daemon is like Achilles on a battlefield.
how bad is s2? i heard not good..
@@davidbadihi3915 I liked it.
@@davidbadihi3915a lot of setup but s2 episode 3 is probably the best episode of the entire show (at least for me) and episode 7 is really good as well. the finale is a let down but it sets up the first episode of season 3 really well we just have to wait 2 years
@@davidbadihi3915 the season is good but the ending is not well like because the deviat from the source and make rhanerya have a gay love for some reason.
My fav part is when he said, "It's Daeming time!", and then he targaryened all over the place.
I haven't watched the show, but from what I remember of the original, the sword fighting (if this scene is any indication) Is much better than the original.
The combat in AGOT wasn’t bad until the later seasons, they actually had some really realistic fights earlier, like when the Hound is killing Lannister soldiers inside and inn he goes back and forth between using his sword and just knocking them down with his plated gauntlets, when he doesn’t have enough room to swing his blade, and the battle of the Blackwater Bay was a pretty good depiction of what a melee would look like, just near complete chaos of swords and fists and arrows.
daemon didnt spring no trap, he just acted like a fool and shouldnt have survived this if it wasnt for pure plot armor. its still a cool scene to watch tho
Word.
Its not real life lmao
We just can't surmise. It's GOT after all. It keeps us 'on our toes' which is why it's so good.
Oh crab feeder.... we hardly knew ye.
So were all those archers drunk or something?
I saw somewhere an archery guy analyzed that scene and said it was kind of ok.
Apparently it’s harder than we would think to hit a running target through smoke and other visual obstructions.
But when he ended up staying in one place too long the arrows hit
Something along those lines.
Arrows historically were very much an 'area defence' weapon. Groups of archers would be told to fire at certain sections of the battlefield in the hopes of hitting whoever is in that area, especially if its a pack of infantry. On the other hand, it is unlikely that the archers are particularly skilled at hitting a moving target from a considerable distance. Arrows are relatively unpredictable and unless you're firing hundreds at a time they're not necessarily going to cover all parts of their attack area. Completely feasible that a single person strafing sideways from their firing position could avoid being hit at that distance. And also the archers probably were drunk, they thought they were on the winning side!
They were trained by the startroopers
@@russelfernandez655stormtroopers, but I get what you’re saying
@@Thesassysam One drunk Mongolian on a horse disagrees
Who was the dragon rider Talgarian that makes that pass on the dragon ?
That was Laenor Velaryon and his dragon seasmoke
Laenor Velaryon, son of Corlys 'the Sea Snake' Velaryon and Rhaenys 'the Queen Who Never Was' Targaryen. Through his mother he was a grandson of prince Aemon Targaryen and a great-grandson of King Jaehaerys I 'the Old' Targaryen. First cousin once removed to King Viserys I Targaryen. Also first cousin once removed and brother-in-law to Prince Daemon 'the Rogue Prince' Targaryen, through Daemon's marriage to his sister Laena Velaryon.
He was a second cousin to the Princes Daeron 'the Daring', Aemond 'One-Eye' and King Aegon II 'the Elder' Targaryen. Also a second cousin and second husband to Rhaenyra 'the Half-Year Queen' Targaryen. Father (or step-father) to Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey Velaryon. Father (or bastard half-brother) to Ser Addam and Alyn 'Oakenfist' Velaryon.
Also uncle to Baela and Rhaena Targaryen.
Laenor supposedly liked 'the company of men', so he probably was not the father of five (bastard) sons that could carry the Velaryon name.
He was - again supposedly - killed on the orders of Daemon Targaryen, widower of his sister, so that Daemon could marry his niece, and Laenor's wife Rhaenyra.
Laenor rode the dragon Sea Smoke
@@danielde7542there is such a thing as over sharing.
Dude is Indian movie hero
I find it hard to believe that guy just left his dragon.
Hes such a badass
Wasn't he a doctor...
By saying 'spring the trap' you meant 'Daemon commits war crime' ?
By modern standards, yes. Now, I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t think Westeros signed onto the Geneva Convention. I’m also fairly certain neither did the crab-feeder. 🦀 Staking POWs to the sand to be eaten alive by crabs is probably not an acceptable activity. 🤔😅🤷♂️🤣
Just to follow up, the dragons would be out as well! 🐲🔥 Using a flamethrower as an anti-personnel device is also not covered by the Geneva Convention. I’m willing to bet many medieval war tactics are probably not allowed, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.
pretty sure feeding POW's to crabs is the actual war crime here.
they are criminals, not soldiers.
Some people will actively talk against others purely out of spite, even when they have nothing of substance to say.
Don't be like Bartosz. Be better.
Mary Sue.
That would imply that he has no training or justification for his abilities, which he does.
@@narsilreforged What abilities? If he had abilities then he would not charge the way it did because it would be suicidal, but he did and his enemies were even more stupid and thats why he survived.
@@maddraugr4667 A Mary Sue isn't someone the story sets up to be great, if that were true almost every protagonistever ever would in somewaybe be a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is a flawless character with no justification for there abilities (abilities means any skill the character shows). As for this scene, yes it's pretty dumb, but its not because Daemon is a Mary Sue. Daemon's fighting skill is justified in that he is a trained and very seasoned warrior fighting a group of half starved cave pirates. He doesn't show any new skills he shouldn't have, he just gets insanely lucky. The scene flops because the writers attempt at "suspension of disbelief" failed and took some people out of the experience.
Daemon is the best
Crime in a time of war. Hm
Questionable tactics...but then...Murica!
CGI blood is terrible