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- Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes could become only the 5th QB to win 3 Super Bowls if he wins Super Bowl LVIII, and already has an impressive record. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy debate whether or not Patrick Mahomes is already a top-3 QB of all time.
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Jim Kelly took the Buffalo Bills to 4 straight SuperBowls.
Mahomes is number three right now, but will be number two if he beats the 49ers passing Montanas team arguably a better team than the 80s 49ers, but he can never pass Tom Brady because he lost in the Super Bowl too Tom Brady.
If he losses tho he drops too top 10
Shady McCoy 😂😂😂😂😂 got to love his energy and charisma…..
@@GeechieSlimmznever won
As a chiefs fan, it is so crazy how we talking about is mahomes in the top 3 of all time. 😢 i never thought i would hear this in my life.
yall got lucky to get him tbh. He would turn any franchise to a dynasty. dude is too good.
@@rafaelisslaam1894facts he the goat
-cheifs fan since 2020 🤣
@rafaelisslaam1894 but any team didnt trade up to draft him. Its not luck. He didnt fall into KC lap. They loved him and thought he could be great. They traded up to get him....thats not luck
He's already past Farve and Rodgers.
He still has some ways to pass Peyton but it's almost certain he'll pass Manning.
So yes basically He's already in the Elway, Manning tier.
Aikman has 3 rings. Bradshaw and Montana with 4 rings. Then Brady.
To be fair, days ago Acho was ready to have Lamar above Mahomes after one game. Not sure he is best suited to rank QBs
When he said Manning is top 3 I knew he lost all credibility
Lmfao isn’t that wild?
Acho changes up 12 times a day
No one flip flops like Acho
@@user-lt1fx2he5s How is Peyton top 3 a crazy take
I’m a carolina fan so one of Peyton’s ring came off of us but the disrespect to this man name is crazy. He can sit at any table when it comes to Quarterbacks. There wasn’t anyone better at the line of scrimmage. His football IQ was second to none. Not to mentioned he bounced back from a neck injury that some thought was career ending just to throw for 50 tds and win a MVP. Put some respect on his name💯💯
Greatest "Field General" ever!!! Man made everyone around him Overachieve.
"His football IQ was second to none" no truer words have ever been spoken. Peyton at the line of scrimmage was something to behold. He is my #1 QB of all time.
He's top 5 but Mahomes is better. Peyton was god of the regular season. Post season performance matters more than regular season when we talk about all time greats.
Peyton Manning is CRIMINALLY OVERRATED.
Barely .500 IN THE PLAYOFFS.
He was the king of meaningless stat-padding. But when the playoffs came? He pooped his pants.
Manning, first super bowl WIN (playoff stats): 3 tds, 7 ints, carried by defense and running game.
Manning, second super bowl WIN: LOWEST PASSER RATING EVER by a Super Bowl winning QB.
As for Manning's OVERRATED "football IQ," here's what Dan Koppen, the STARTING Center for BOTH Manning AND Brady said about Manning and Brady when it comes to "football IQ:"
"I’m raising my hand to interject,” Koppen says. “One, Peyton Manning did not make the mike calls in the run game. I made the mike calls in the run game for Peyton. The quarterback here [in New England] does everything.
“But it’s easier for the quarterback to do that. I’m not saying that the center can’t do it, but he [the quarterback] can see everybody, he can see the coverage, he can see the rotation, or late rotation, so if you give him that control whether it’s early in the snap count or late in the snap count, he has an option to get out of it and change it to what he wants.
“What gets tricky for the linemen, and not everybody can do this throughout the league, not everybody’s smart or can play fast, it takes someone a few seconds, however you process information and get it ready to go before the ball’s snapped, to each their own, but he [Brady] does it very quickly.
“It could be Mike 57, omaha, blue go, and your whole blocking thing just changed. And it’s not a communication standpoint where I can sit there and go, alright, now we’re sliding this guy, you got him, you guys stay here, it changes in a split second and the ball is gone.
“[Offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia] always used to say, we don’t have to have the most athletic guys, we don’t have to have the most number one draft picks, we have to be athletic enough, work together, and be smart.”
“And that’s why this offensive line you will continue to see them get better each week,” Mayo chimes in, “especially now with Tom at the helm, each and every week.”
So there you have it. Brady’s in charge of all the protections prior to the snap, while Manning had his center do it for the run game."
@@handyec Peyton Manning is CRIMINALLY OVERRATED. BRADY made players BETTER. Brady had BUMS that he took to the super bowl.
Barely .500 IN THE PLAYOFFS.
He was the king of meaningless stat-padding. But when the playoffs came? He pooped his pants.
Manning, first super bowl WIN (playoff stats): 3 tds, 7 ints, carried by defense and running game.
Manning, second super bowl WIN: LOWEST PASSER RATING EVER by a Super Bowl winning QB.
As for Manning's OVERRATED "football IQ," here's what Dan Koppen, the STARTING Center for BOTH Manning AND Brady said about Manning and Brady when it comes to "football IQ:"
"I’m raising my hand to interject,” Koppen says. “One, Peyton Manning did not make the mike calls in the run game. I made the mike calls in the run game for Peyton. The quarterback here [in New England] does everything.
“But it’s easier for the quarterback to do that. I’m not saying that the center can’t do it, but he [the quarterback] can see everybody, he can see the coverage, he can see the rotation, or late rotation, so if you give him that control whether it’s early in the snap count or late in the snap count, he has an option to get out of it and change it to what he wants.
“What gets tricky for the linemen, and not everybody can do this throughout the league, not everybody’s smart or can play fast, it takes someone a few seconds, however you process information and get it ready to go before the ball’s snapped, to each their own, but he [Brady] does it very quickly.
“It could be Mike 57, omaha, blue go, and your whole blocking thing just changed. And it’s not a communication standpoint where I can sit there and go, alright, now we’re sliding this guy, you got him, you guys stay here, it changes in a split second and the ball is gone.
“[Offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia] always used to say, we don’t have to have the most athletic guys, we don’t have to have the most number one draft picks, we have to be athletic enough, work together, and be smart.”
“And that’s why this offensive line you will continue to see them get better each week,” Mayo chimes in, “especially now with Tom at the helm, each and every week.”
So there you have it. Brady’s in charge of all the protections prior to the snap, while Manning had his center do it for the run game."
Peyton also had the most prolific passing season ever in 2013; nearly 5,500 yards and 55 TDs….wild
And then got blown out in the Super Bowl… that’s why nobody speaks of the 2013 season… huge manning fan… but it’s teue
He also got to pick his team
@@jeremyengel9485chill bro let a bronco fan type that we don’t need you to type that dont worry I was gonna tell him that
@@jeremyengel9485 and that's exactly why he's not on Mahomes' level. Aside from not having an O Line, Mahomes trumps Peyton in the Postseason.
@@jeremyengel9485 I’m not saying Peyton over whoever I’m just saying give him his respect he’s done great things in this league. And every great has had their shortcomings in the postseason and to act as if that’s not the case is telling yourself a lie
Mahomes worst season is losing in overtime in the afc championship game. Even when they say 7 years, it’s 6 years starting, he’s never missed the afc championship game. He might be 50/50 for Super Bowl WINS by next week. 4 appearances in 6 years. Insane
I know Shady isn't sh*tting on Payton SB's. Shady never got off the bench in his SB appearance. Check out Mcoy numbers in Playoffs
Peyton
@@razkable Good for your Autocorrect. But is my argument wrong
Shady too funny 😂 “watchu doing 😗😮😮💨 for”
Short answer yes. Long answer is Mahomes to me is arguably the most talented qb ever along with Rodgers who you could make a case for, while also being (up to this point) the best postseason qb ever statistically, he's number 1 in a ridiculous amount of postseason qb stats, which separates him from someone like a Manning imo because of his postseason struggles individually. Couple that with his accolades and rings he's won so far I think it's enough for top 3
1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Patrick Mahomes 4. Peyton Manning 5. Drew Brees 6. Aaron Rodgers 7. John Elway 8. Johnny Unitas 9. Roger Staubach 10. Bart Starr
Dang, can Mahomes finish his career first? He's still so young. Montana is my goat. The dude was unflappable under pressure. No ints or losses during his Super Bowl runs. Montana played in an era when they beat up the quarterback. Plus one more thing: the 80's NFC competition was fierce! Lt's Giants, Joe Gibbs Redskins, the Bears all produced dominate competitive teams. I respect Brady for the sheer longevity but for me, Montana was the man. In time maybe Mahomes can do it but let the guy at least turn 30 first before we start to immortalize him? He's great but let it play out...
Finally someone gets it. These younger guys never seen Joe play. I remember those Monday Night games the Niners played against the Bears and Giants. They were low scoring defensive slugfests. I didn’t even mention those late 80’s Philly teams that would punch you in the mouth or those Dome Patrol Saints teams with the best linebacker tandem of Mills, Swilling and Jackson. To this day that is still the best linebacker corps I’ve ever seen. Brady couldn’t even get past Rex Ryan’s Jets teams when they had a formidable defense. There were numerous defenses like that in the NFC.
@@HitsTownUSA So true, those late Eagles teams were tough. The Vikings from that era were tough too.
Chiefs fan here & I still have Joe as my top QB. He was a Chief, so I don’t feel like I’m being unfaithful or anything, lol. Joe Montana was incredible. The young bucks never got to see him play & if they had, a lot would be putting him up higher than they often do.
Montana
Brady
Manning
Mahomes
That’s the order I have them in. I basically have Mahomes & Manning in a tie, with Manning having just the smallest edge at the moment. I expect Pat will surpass Manning in the next year or two though.
@@HitsTownUSAMahomes only needs 2 playoff wins and one mvp to surpass every great achievement that Montana had in 16 years which Mahomes will do in 7
I’m younger and I get what you’re saying but I can’t see Joe Montana doing what mahomes does as in this is a dual threat era even though I admit this is a weak era (rule wise) give mahomes to the niners back then and I believe he could have done what Montana did
John Fox went to a SB with Jake Delhomme.. He went to that SB with Kubiak and got smoked 43-8.. He got absolutely carried by the Broncos in 2015 when he was benched during the season.. In the SB against the Saints he threw the game clinching pick 6..
EXACTLY!!!! Peyton manning was TRASH in postseason!!! 4 SB appearances in 17 seasons. Won 2(really won 1 vs Chicago) the defense in Denver won the 2nd one for him
And did did Brady get his 1st and 6th but Manning can't?? get outta here manning ran into the bill bellecheck defenses. Manning had bad defenses in Indy @@alexcaldwell671110 all pros and 5 mvps
@@alexcaldwell6711Not to mention getting beat by some head scratcher teams like San Diego that seemed to have his number in the post season.
@@alexcaldwell6711he was carried to the one against the Chicago too. The only good game he played was against the patriots
I say this show is way better than undisputed and needs to be in the morning slot 🎉
Ring culture in the NFL is so annoying dude. Literally the ultimate team sport where a QB only has control over 1/3 of the phases of the game. Yes rings and playoff performances are important but this aint basketball where its 5 on 5 and this aint some Michael Jordan thing. Thats how you get that absolutely ignorant Peyton Manning disrespect. Who when he retired was the all time statistical leader in every QB stat worth anything a 5 time MVP and was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs. Its only after Manning retired that Brady really sepereated himself. And credit to him. As for Mahomes hes the best talent ive ever seen and hes coming but pump the brakes.
Manning has had bad performances in the playoffs…it’s not like he’s played great and his team has lost despite his greatness. All things in consideration, Manning is top 4 but Mahomes has been much better in a shorter period of time.
“I can hate on it” is a top 5 quote from shady 😂😂😂😂😂
Shady tweaking disrespecting Peyton he was one of the greatest you can’t leave him out when you talking about QB play
He killed achos argument no comeback for it 4 in 17 years and Mahomes 4th in 7 years.
I would take Warren moon over peyton manning
@@ramonmabrythat’s cause Peyton had to go up against Brady, who Mahones is 0-2 against in the postseason
@@teryondavis2023But both times Dee Ford lined up offsides plus the Chiefs had the worst or one of the worst defenses in the league and the other one Mahomes Oline wasn’t even in full tact
Brady’s worst Super Bowl winning defense gave up 20 points a game in the postseason, mahomes best Super Bowl winning defense gave up 25 points a game in the post season
Terry Bradshaw was undefeated in super bowls and nobody ever mentions him 🤔4-0
Facts !!
Look at his interception numbers 🤨
He played with one of the best defenses in nfl history why do people forget the steel curtain?
He was fortunate to be in that era when they had patience developing Qbs. He was so bad his first 3-4 years, he’d be out the league after 3 years in todays era
Terry had HOFs everywhere 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a Manning fan who rooted for him *every* year, he’s not in it. I watched him flame out, year after year. Mahomes is who we wanted Manning, Rodgers, (and allen) to be-the clear talent that comes through in the big games. I’ve never seen anything like him.
Andy Reid’s coaching and having a great TE and the fastest WR to clear a whole side of a defense matters.
Lol I agree 100%. I am the biggest Peyton Manning fan. He disappointed me many times. He was so great in the regular season. But the playoffs he gets exposed.
@@untrillbopeople seem to ALWAYS FORGET THIS ! .. TYREEK demanding a double & Kelce running freestyle routes played a HUGE in his first 4 appearances!! NOBODY ELSE IN NFL HISTORY was lucky enough to come into the league wit 2 HOF receivers & HC
@@DeDoeWorldLivehe’s in back-to-back SB w/o Tyreek so what u talking about?
This might be ages ago and he might NOT HAVE COME INTO THE LEAGUE with two HOF receivers
and HC, but Bradshaw had Lynn Swann, John Stalworth and Coach Chuck Noll abd he won four superbowls.@@DeDoeWorldLive
Even though I have Mahomes above Peyton Acho cooked on this segment🔥
mahomes has already better number than manning in the playoffs and bro is 28 there is no debate here
its easy to win with andy reid as your coach. acho is 100% with every word
@@killakays5302 lmao "easy". yeah man its easy to make 6 straight afcs. its easy to make 4sb in 6 years. its easy to win 2 SB in 6 seasons. yeah man so Easy 😂😂
@@killakays5302lol a bunch of good QBs played for Andy Reid and none of them won him a SB in like a 20 year career. Mahomes has started for him 6 years and might get him his 3rd this week. Stop it. And don't get me started with Peyton Manning and his choke jobs in the playoffs. Those had nothing to do with coaching. The plays were there to be made, and he did not make them. And that second superbowl by Manning is nothing to brag about either lol
@@killakays5302 you do know Reid was thought of as a choker prior to Mahomes right ?
Take the first 7 seasons of every QB to ever play the game and Patty tops em all. Period. End of story.
This was a great episode . I certainly appreciate the VALID points of view of each person.
Great segment by Acho lol. I loved it. Going against the grain and spitting out the facts.
He has Lamar over mahomes last week….
Shady, let's look at who Joe was facing shall wee. Greatest defensive player in the history of the sport. Greatest defense EVER. Some of the greatest teams to ever take the field. Joe did that. Perfect int he SB. A Roger Craig fumble away from being a potential 3x SB champion (they would have smoked Buffalo). He captained arguably the best team to ever play. Mahomes has a LONG way to go before passing Joe. It took Brady 6 rings to pass a guy that had 4. Let that sink in.
Yeah trying to put Mahomes number 2 is very disrespectful for Montana and Peyton
Montana record is 4-0. 4>2 ,0>1 loss. Case currently closed unless Pat does more winning to reopen the conversation...# Megatron #
Peyton was TRASH in the postseason’.! He really only won 1 SB that defense in Denver won the 2nd ring for him. Mahomes post season record is ALREADY better than his… LET THAT SINK IN
I mean it’s an opinion so gone like it some not I’ll say mahomes third but if he wins Sunday he 2 for me 3 rings 3 Super Bowl MVPS 2 regular season MVPs 6 straight afc championship the résumé would be insane and he hasn’t even played 10 seasons yet lol
@@takarahowell8183 Even with a win he's still not 3rd! More rings needed..# Megatron #
There’s a difference between “greatness” and “the best”/“most skilled”. In terms of greatness, Tom. The “best” Pat. End of story.
In 15 years Andy had 0 Superbowl wins before Patrick became his QB. Now he has 3 in 7 years.
Marino went to super bowl his rookie season & lost. Obviously thinking he'll be back again at some point, if not the very next year..He NEVER SNIFFED THE SUPER BOWL AGAIN in his long playing career. Considering how great he was & his coach(es), that's crazy!
Don't mean a thing if you win the ring. So Dan...# Megatron #
Joe Montana had to contend with all time great defenses like the Giants, Bears let alone those Redskin teams just to get to a Super Bowl
I've stopped arguing with the youngins. They simply don't understand how GREAT Joe Montana was. Perfect in Superbowls with NO interceptions EVER thrown in a Superbowl. 3 time Superbowl MVP in the great defensive era.
Yooo Shady the best on tv right now!! He got that central PA energy!! I notice that style of speech anywhere!! All love Shady from Lanc baby❤❤❤
1. Pat
2. Manning
3. Brady
Acho always trying to sound different and smart. Mahommes is definitely top 3 and he will be top 2 by the time he retires. Payton was known as a playoff choker and Patrick has the greatest playoff state. Even the 2nd chip with broncos Payton was horrible and they won cuz of the defense.
What adversity have he gone through? The Chiefs clinched 5 playoff births before he started a game. He's had Andy Reid/Kelce his whole career. They only lost Hill/Hunt what is his career defining moment that makes him top 3?
Peyton had a 18 point comback in an afc champ game. 3-2 against brady in afc champ games. And mahomes is getting carried this entire year by his defense. Mahomes wasnt even a pro bowler this year
@@damianpresha9833I like how y’all try to discredit mahomes for having hill and kelce before mahomes took over hill wasn’t this all world receiver and kelce was just coming along. Mahomes got in the line up and all three transformed into what we see today. Also you said what adversity did he face ? He lost one of his best weapons last year and won MVP and the Super Bowl on a bad ankle and this year is playing with WR3s and is in the Super Bowl ? Not to mention his first Super Bowl he was down 20-10 with 7 mins left and came back to win the game. Idk that sound like a whole bunch of adverse moments to me
@@xxWonderTwimsxxtalking bout the same Peyton that road the broncos defense all the way to the Super Bowl and von Miller won sbmvp? Mahomes is doing what he’s supposed to considering the poor WR group he has he’s been efficient and hasn’t turned the ball over because he knows he has a great defense that’s not called getting carried it’s called working as a team.
@@damianpresha9833he’s literally one of three QBs to have multiple SB MVPs and regular season MVPs. Only others were Montana and Brady. Mahomes’s per game statistics are the best across the board and only improve in the playoffs. He’s tied for third most playoff wins only behind Montana and Brady and if he wins the SB again he’ll have some possession of 3rd with a 15-3 record in the playoffs. Dude won his first superbowl by being down double digits every game only to win by double digits in all three. Dudes so obviously top 3 and it’s not close😂
The Peyton Manning disrespect is crazy
He got benched for osweiler playoff he choked like dak
Peyton was the player who made me fall in love with football when I was 10. He had the best mind to ever play and when he retired he was in the GOAT convo…But I think Mahomes is better currently. If he wins this SB it’s indisputable
Thank you for putting respect on Mannings name Acho. Thanks for reminding the world of Mannings greatness.
Shady was out of his mind for that.
Hes definitely in the top 5 but this boy be climbing faster than anything I have seen in my lifetime and I'm not even a chiefs fan and I can admit that!!!!!!
Not true at the same point in their careers Brady already had 3 rings with a lot less talent on O.
@@untrillboand Brady was a game manager at that point with average stats and 0 MVPs and 1 all pro selection
@@MarvG3000 would you rather have mvp’s or Super Bowl wins? 🤷♂️
@@untrillbo mahomes already has the 3 rings. What are you talking about? He IS climbing faster than anyone else. It's just the truth and it's good to see. I want to see someone surpass Brady and Montana. It would be an awesome thing to behold. Some people just either aren't willing to let go of the past or they simply want to hate because it's not their team. Who knows, but anyone who's truly an honest person can see that mahomes is something special and will, I believe, do things no qb has ever done, but we shall see.
@@Im1ofTh3m without the past as a benchmark nobody today can be measured. Truth is mahomes is the best Qb currently playing and he also has one of the top offensive coaches that had his team winning 10+ games before mahomes stepped on the field. Also, the truth is the game has changed so much against the defense all qb’s numbers are inflated. Think about it a prime mahomes and a 43 year old Brady had about the same stats, that’s how much easier it is to play Qb in the nfl. I’m not hating on anyone by saying mahomes isn’t nearly as good a Qb as Brady. Drop that 07’ pats team with moss on it into todays game and moss might have had a 3000yd season and Brady might have thrown for 70 td’s.
Acho just like to be contrarian 😂😂😂 Peyton was winning MVPs & losing in the playoffs, was having horrible post season’s & winning titles
Totally agree with Shady
THE ERA OF RULE CHANGES MUST BE CONSIDERED IN FOOTBALL 🏈 HISTORY. SOME QBs MAY HAVE WON MORE IF RULES WHERE SAME AS TODAY. 🐐 IS RELEVANT TO THE ERA !
Exactly! They not mentioning that
The athletes of this era are better athletes than older eras that’s what also needs to be considered.
Question as a casual, is what the Ravens did would be like if the chiefs threw 8 times wit Mahomes & let Pinnocio run 30 times
Closer to 16 throws
Hard for Ravens to run the ball when their offense was getting completely stifled.
@@kcbd50🤣🤣 did you just say chiefs stuffed ravens run you gotta be kidding right the first play was a 15 run out the gate and the only Lamar designed run was almost to the house so dude that game was close the entire time and the ravens still chose not to run the ball they tried beat the chiefs passing the ball when thats not there offense so don't act like the chiefs made the ravens pass the ball cause that wasn't the case
@@ashtonramsey386that's due to the fear that the chiefs put into them by scoring so easily on their first 2 attempts.
@@ashtonramsey386did you hear what the coach said: “they(chiefs) played the gaps well and forced us to pass more than we wanted”…
Yes
I love this show
Shady talking smack about Peyton’s rings is hilarious, he should not be talking. 😂
True...Mccoy literally ran the ball 10 times for the bucs in 2020 and never ran or caught it in the playoffs and had 0 tds and barley over 100 yards catching...he was trash for them..he didn't do anything for the chiefs in the playoffs either
@@razkable he was just along for the ride. Smh
Glasses is the greatest Mahomes hater of all time.
Brady, Montana, Mahomes. If he gets this one he’s #2, appreciate this greatness while it’s happening!
Nobody talk about Manning Magic . Manning wasn’t as clutch as Mahomes is.
Montana never lost a SB 4-0 or INT
He only had 40,000 passing yards in his career
@@brandonneumann5294 Anyone who physically saw Montana knew could dunk two balls from a stand still, Montana said Otto. Brady didn't make a SB for 10 years...Otto, ten years in a row and played in the NBA in the offseason and my dad played on the team and could throw 100 yards..Brady is a girl compared to him practically, my dad said no way...no way....
@@completechiropractic246 I don’t even know if that was English. Most random response I’ve ever heard in my life but John elway and Dan Marino were way more talented in that era
@@brandonneumann5294 You must not know American History or English in football...Nobody put Elway and Marino in Montana's class who said Otto again...and again I'll say what Montana said...he didn't mention Brady. Go look that video interview up...He didn't even go to one SB in 10 years and Eli beat him every time in the SB... 10 in a row Otto went to...did you understand that...10
@@completechiropractic246 man I struggle with comprehending how you speaky the English but I’ll try to respond. I don’t care what the consensus is based on numbers Montana ain’t a top 3 QB. 40,000 passing yards lmao. That’s goat numbers?
So you mean to tell me a guy can be in a league for seven years half of what the greats were and just because he’s play in three Super Bowls and won two that’s in the top three?GTFOH. It may be good for conversation on your show, but the real conversation shouldn’t even be had until he’s officially retired.
The conversation is being had because, in those seven years he’s done more than most of those all time greats. It’s very simple. He’ll add more but what he’s already done is more than almost anyone.
He’s top 5 if he doesn’t play another down . Mahomes has a chance to get his third ring in just 6 years of his nfl career no other qb has done that aside from brady. Then you add on the individual accolades and the fact that he’s nowhere near close to being done and can still add on it’s only three QBs I’m putting ahead of him rn and that’s brady , Montana and manning .
Don’t forget Mahomes playoff records. He’s statistically the greatest post season QB ever. Mans literally has every stat
That argument made for Peyton Manning is pretty undeniable.
Why is this even a conversation, this is ridiculous and disrespectful to even put MAHOMES in this conversation already, smh
1000% agree...# Megatron #
lmao mahomes is #3 behind montana and brady
Joe Montana is perfect in superbowls not just in record but in stats. He NEVER threw a pick in the superbowl.
I feel like Shady is getting better and better 👏
I'm a Patrick fan but Peyton is still 3rd 5mvp 2chips gotta count for sumthin. Now how long he stays there.....
But mahomes playoffs stats are a lot better who would you pick to start your team with mahomes or Peyton ?
Manning got carried for that 2nd ring....he is 5th...Elway is 3rd...Mahomes is 4th...
It counts for getting benched for Brock osweiler
@@razkable and Terrell carried elway he doesn't win without him
I was waiting for the "is it Andy or Patrick" conversation to start, and here we are.
1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Aaron Rodgers
7. Dan Marino
8. Brett Farve
9. John Elway
10. Ben Rothlisberger
👍👍😉💯
Outside looking in- Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Warren Moon, Russel Wilson, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Eli Manning, Michael Vick..
I'd just put mahomes on the outside, he might lose the SB and then he only has 2 MVPs and 2 Rings. Not to say that isn't impressive, but he's too young to be top 10 for me and I'd take any of those top 10 over him if he doesn't win.
@@SomeRandomParticle you can't take away all of his accomplishments in 6 years, six straight AFC west champions, six straight AFC conference championship appearances, 4 Superbowl appearances, 2 Superbowl championships, 2 Superbowl MVPs, 2 regular season MVPs, 2nd player league history 5000yd and 50tds in a season, all of his numbers are on a projection to be better than anyone to ever played the game at the position. If he gets better wide receivers next year, there's no reason to doubt he won't be back in the playoffs and possibly playing in the Superbowl again next year! 💯
@@pimpdaddysatan He's on a projection to be top 3, yes, but it's too early to tell. He will undoubtedly be top 5 unless an unfortunate injury, but right now I would not take him over rogers or marino, and defenetly not payton.
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I thought Acho said "and shady you didn't even play in your super bowls" 😅
Swear I heard that 😂 , someone gotta say it 😂
Montana is still the goat he's the only QB in the Super Bowl to never throw an int 🙌🐐
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Don’t nobody gaf about that stat😂😂mahomes better
Joe is not the greatest Brady is.
Joe isn't even in the convo for goat anymore
Joe won 4 super bowls and never walked off that field and confetti dropped for another team. Now he's irrelevant but only troy aikman has done that since and that was still 3.
I like what ACHO is preaching on Manning, BTW I'm so old I used to watch daddy Archie play! So now "NOW u Know"-(bless his heart Tracy Morgan)!!! That Payton was the only QB, maybe Joe Montana too...actually called his own plays!
See fellaz & Pretty Joy, Once upon a time, there was no bump & run 5 yrd rule, Once upon a time you could tear the QB's head off! And finally OUAT, those great QB's who endured all that and still got a 1st down to win the game, division, conference & Superbowl ain't even in this conversation? Flip it baby, put these protocols on PATTY, BRADY and WHOEVER ELSE in the game of today? With the money they make now, all these QB's should be calling their own game should be the new rule!
Acho preaching
roflmao the first TB 12 Terry Bradshaw 4 super bowls in 6 yrs 2 sb mvp 1mvp and he never gets the credit he deserves guessing winning doesn't matter
Facts. These wild Greatest of all time comments are out of line. Pat is Good but has a long way to go...# Megatron #
212 touchdowns and 2010 interceptions lmao
6 AFC appearances 4 AFC wins 4 SB appearances 2 SB wins while going for a 3rd SB in just 6yrs 😏 mahomes could retire after this season and be 1st ballot hof on rushmore
All thanks to Andy Reid/Travis Kelce/Tyreek Hill/Steve Spagnolo and Nick Bolton/ Frank Clark.
Montana played with more HOFers than Pat and Tom
Psshsh. Brady didn't get this hype even after 3. Get to 4 the start salivating for second spot.
Still doesn't equal greatest of all time. 7 rings is a Better stat than stats Pat has put up so far...# Megatron #
@@damianpresha9833oh I forgot, prior to Mahomes getting there Alex Smith took the Chiefs to a AFC title game. Note sarcasm.
After Brady everything is nuanced based on how old you are, what you put an emphasis on, all differing factors. some people put Montana at 2, some people put Peyton at 2, some Mahomes, but shiii theres alot people who would argue Marino, Elway, even Unitas over some of those guys.
Terry Bradshaw won 4 Superbowls 2x Superbowl MVP only played 14 seasons won Superbowls 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979 ...He led Pittsburgh to 8 AFC Championships 🏆
Yes, and he played with 8 other Hall of Famers for a good chunk of that run. Not a lot of players can say that.
@@dominicpancella3012 Troy Aikman was 3-0 in Superbowls and had Hall of Fame running back Emmit Smith Fullback Darryl Johnson, O line players and Receiver Michael Irving also Hall of famer on his defense Safety Rod Woodson Deon Sander's @ Corner does that discredit him?
of course it does lol@@MissingMyPeeps
Ridiculous!!! 100% No! Tom , Joe , Aikman , Bradshaw, are all ahead of him! Rings matter People! He's currently tied with Peyton, Eli, Elway and if he loses his legacy will take an even bigger hit. Do-not talk greatest if you can't compartmentalize history correctly. I like Pat, but this generation has a problem with giving too much credit to fast. Speak staff should be ashamed for not doing more research and giving more credit to quarterbacks of the past , instead of being fan boys and girls to make a points...# Megatron #
This definitely one of the worst comments ever!!! 😂😂😂😂
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Crazy if you think Bradshaw and definitely Aikman better than Patrick. Aikman is the ultimate game manager. He was never in the MVP conversation. Pat top 3.. definitely
Bradshaw and aikman better then mahomes ? Man stop it bradshaw had one of the best defenses in nfl history he was good but he wasn’t just great and aikman is laughable
lmao you put aikman and bradshaw above peyton? lmao you know nothing. peyton did more with less teams around him. 5 mvps and 4 super bowl appearances and 3rd in playoff wins. all peyton had was freeney mathis wayne and harrison. it goes brady, montana, manning, mahomes
Peyton was going up against Brady and Belichick, that's not the same as Mahomes going up against Burrow, Jackson and Allen. That's not the same.
I’m with acho Peyton manning is Top 3 dude was insanely great
Shady is a treasure on this show 🎉
The disrespect to Peyton Manning is crazzzyyyy.
I’m a die hard patriots fan and I was terrified of Manning. He was different.
Acho had an amazing take about peyton manning every all time great QB has to have an all-time great coach and peyton didnt have that but still achieved a lot in his career and for some reason decided to minimize it to just rings
Peyton’s highest peak was still above Mahomes. 55 tds 5500 yards with one less game. Until Mahomes does that, and wins 3 more mvps, you can’t put him above Peyton. And the 4 sbs with 4 coaches stat is wild. You can also argue Peyton played in a tougher conference. Tom Brady, Big Ben, Flacco and the ravens defense, and Philip rivers. Then in the nfc you had Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, and Eli manning
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The game keeps changing so it'll always become a new goat none of these guys are better than the other necessarily but the game changes rules changes system changes its kinda hard to reslly guess who the best cuz stats don't tell the story , like this a pass happy league and defenses aren't as dominating as back then
Johnny U my favorite
Mahomes goat 🐐 in the making
Acho is the only one with brains
The game was way different when Montana was playing.
Ok, so i may have an unpopular opinion. I believe Peyton suffered from having to face a real dangerous defense in the Ravens and Steelers. (Which both were true threats of that time) also having to run into Tom Brady and the patriots quite often which Tom won most of the time with exception to the superbowl trip with the seahawks. Also running into the Legion of Boom, which also gave brady trouble and if the coach or russell ran the ball, brady would potentially be at 6 SB wins and not 7. You dont see defenses like that anymore. so i think range of difficulty also factors in this too. Peyton had to go through higher levels of competition and not have really good coaches (outside of Dungy). With the cheifs, you literally have two people you have to watch. Pat and Kelce on offense. Baltimore showed that in the second half of that bout but lamar couldnt get it done. So, id put Brady 1 (7superbowls), Joe 2 (perfect 4 and 0 record in superbowl, and right now id say Peyton is three. Patrick gets one one more, theyll be no doubt that hes the second best QB
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Its funny how they dont mention the rules changed for a qb and wr compared to the past greats
Well they changed the rules for Brady
I love achos opinion how he judges frfr
The era Joe played in Mahomes wouldn’t even be in the conversation
You casual Brady would’ve retired in year 2 if that’s the route you wanna go. They would’ve put a licking on him every game at least mahomes can escape those slow defensive players in that era 😂
Top 10 Definitive List
Brady
Montana
P. Manning
B. Starr
Elway
Mahomes
Aikman
Staubach
T. Bradshaw
Marino
Drew brees and Aaron rodgers ? what are you on lmaoo or Brett Favre ultimate team sport
@@SatishKumar-vh2no My list is comprehensive & thorough. Other obvious and great names were not going to make the cut.
Acho absolutely killed this take
Ofc he is
The question really comes down to do you put him over Peyton Manning ? We know 1 and 2, but the question really is would you put him over Peyton Manning ? If you do, yes, he's Top3. If you don't, then no
Man Peyton was so nice. Would hv made more SBs if Brady wasn't there..
@@bcamm3100heck think about the times Peyton should’ve gone much further with a little help from his team.
2005: Harper grabs that fumble and runs down the sideline Colts move on likely win SB
2007: Peyton played well, Harrison first game back and fumbles untouched in the redzone & Keith doesn’t catch a short pass at goaline and tips it in the air. With LT & Rivers on the bench Chargers still go 80 yrds to take lead at the end.
2008: Peyton has late 4th qtr lead. Sproles goes down the field to tie then chargers get ball first in OT and do it again.
2009: Saints couldn’t get Offense going until after Freeney left. Garçon dropped a wide open perfect pass that likely is a TD and go up 17-3, onside kick turnover, missed FG. Even if manning tied it at the end colts couldn’t stop Saints offense in 2nd half and there was still too much time left.
2010: Peyton takes last min lead. ST allows big return. Then Caldwell helps jets by calling a TO and they get even closer for an easier FG.
2012: we all remember Flacco with 40 secs throwing to Jacoby who was double covered and still scored.
@@EZshocksbig facts...
Montana for sure. The old greats did it with out roughing the passer.
I hate Joi’s surface level opinion. “Oh more rings more rings” 😂 no argument can be made unless you have more rings then.
The level of Qb competition nowadays is WACK compared to when Peyton played
No it’s not, the difference is Mahomes is not letting these guys win. Peyton was always considered better than Brees, Brady, Big Ben, an older Favre, and Rivers…it actually wasn’t even close for all of the 00s. He just didn’t win and a lot of those guys beat him. Mahomes is far and away the best and he’s winning.
James Jones 10:54 lol smh
Mahomes is good the only push back I got ..is those defenses that Peyton,Montana,Brady played against I give a little more love to Manning because Tom and Joe was apart of those great defenses..I got Joe,Brady, Manning with Mahomes knocking on the door
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Great take Acho! They didnt call Peyton Manning "The Sheriff" for no reason, he was the system wherever he went.
As a huge Peyton fan, he is in the top 3 for me. Brady, mahomes, manning, and then Montana. Had maybe his best year AFTER the neck surgery. And 5 mvps is huge too.
I swear popularity and clout now days is like that rock in the 80’s. Y’all can’t put him in the top 3 just because of talent or potential ceiling. The disrespect to Peyton, Brees, Rodgers or even Big Ben with the same number or super bowls and more stats. Yeah if he “Keeps” playing for a long period of time yeah he will pass almost everyone and maybe Brady but be real he haven’t even hit 40k passing yards yet let alone 400 TD’s y’all just throwing all them legendary QB’s careers away💯 and they played in a harder generation with better defenses like be real
I would put Peyton Manning third ahead of Patrick Mahomes 🏈
You would out of respect not out of the first 6 years starting
Mahomes better
They tripping, it’s crazy how people live in the moment and forget how great several other quarterbacks were. These dudes are former players.
It’s mad annoying that Acho is different just for the sake of being different
We can’t act like Denver Payton wasn’t carried to that SB by that defense. An iffy chiefs team that year throttled them. In the 2000s. It’s ray lewis ravens,legion of boom, and that Denver defense. Those are the top 3 of the past two decades. People can say mahomes was “carried” by the defense but the defense never reached the potential of those 3
As daniel bryan says. YES YES YES!
Because he’s still building his resume and where his legacy stands right now, I can’t put him top 3 all time just yet..ain’t no telling what might happen next year, next game, God forbid he suffers some injury or just completely falls off so with that being said let’s wait.. I would put him in the top 5 undeniably with where his legacy stands right now
Andy wasn’t winning SB til he got Mahomes. He was winning but just couldn’t win the big one. No one talked about him as the best coach before Mahomes.