Thanks for the video as always! I'd love a video explaining oki and meatys in a deeper sense. Coming from strive which is much slower paces, its really hard to get the timing down and figure out what really are my best options
my friend shields very often and i've been getting better at shield cancelling my approach options just in case. this has led to some over 10 turn shield wars that have been silly as hell pulling us across the map
the beginning step of structuring your offense in this game should be trying to convince your opponent that shielding out of your pressure is a bad idea. once theyre afraid to shield you can really go ham with any character.
This makes sense why Shiki always picks scissors during the shield (rock) RPS situation lol. I learned from all every other Shiki online that it is indeed the right answer every time because you can't be scared to stab a mf.
11:58 new to fighting games, in this situation how can I counter 3C then? Because I can’t get close to the opponent if opponent keep shooting projectile to keep the distance if I’m playing melee such as Shiki. If I keep dashing whenever I try to stop myself I will take stagger duration that I can’t block or shield so it leads to a full combo on me. Pressing B it’s a guaranteed hit from opponent by 3BC. Ciel, Roa, Vlov they both has tendency to shoot projectiles rapidly. It’s kinda desperate to deal with them every time going against them (yea so I dodge them a lot…). You just can’t B them otherwise you just get hit it’s so busted.
we are trying our best out here! Depending on the type of video I sometimes think the face cam will get in the way of the demonstrations so I opt out. Don't worry face cam will be in some videos coming up like discussion videos around the game!
This video is great, very informative and easy to learn. I play Miyako, so after I shield and then I see my opponent shield, I grab and get a full combo off that. It’s such a mind game cause I get scared I’m gonna get launched
Thank you very much, my friend loves spam shield to every single move and I didn't know how to response to that, specially when he teleports behind me. I play Red Arcueid so it's annoying when he shield my projectiles or C attacks
A distinction that I think needs to be clarified is that you can only switch shield positions between high and low AFTER blocking at least one attack. You cannot change the position of a freshly activate shield that hasn't absorbed an attack, so players who do nothing on wake-up can fatal counter you on reaction if you press shield, or attack you when you release it. Also, the B+C follow up costs half moon gauge for both the offensive and defensive player. It only looks like the player shielding spends 1/4th meter because when you successfully shield, you are rewarded with an additional 2 moon gauge bars at the end of the current shield interaction (i.e. when you release shield, cancel it, or get hit out of it). If the player who executed the shield and blocked the attack has less than 50% moon gauge, they cannot use the B+C follow-up, even though they will be rewarded moon gauge for landing a shield afterwards.
I played witha vlov earlier and idk how much of his projectile i shielded but didnt initiate just because, and the fact that the vlov is shielding from pretty much fullscreen more often than not in response to that is kinda funny to me
Mans is expecting that b followup lol. But iirc from a really far distance on projectiles you can just block the b because it takes long enough to get to you
To be honest, im not a fan of how powerful the shield is. This is only off about 12-15 hours of play time. I seem to be able to cheese people with shield and get a free small combo into a grab on wake up cause the opponent was wake up shielding. Just my opinion though.
That's what I thought at first but I've now realized that shield (on HKD) is making 2 guesses; high/low and strike with no baits. If you have good mix it's easier to deal with
Turning Input Display on in tutorial videos are a great help for newer people that don't have a deep understanding of FGs. It's also easier to see exactly what are you doing and when you say "See? In this situation I'm locked in and can't do anything" it's very clearly verifiable. Oh, you did turn it on halfway through. But there was a situation before it that having it already on would have been yet another way to solidify your point that you can't input shield after a Moon skill/EX Special.
@@DaikenFGC I hope so. I really want to enjoy it because I was looking forward to it a lot and both my friends who have it like it a lot too, but I'm just not having fun.
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 it is way too easy to accidentally get stuck in auto-combo in this game when you mean to do something else, especially since it's on every button. It's even worse because auto-combos are unsafe on block and you can't reverse beat out of them.
@@mallow2902 they've given a lot more characters safe on block specials (usually like -4 or -2) to make up for this it seems doesn't fix the problem all the time but if you can remember to use those at least blocked autocombos wont get you killed outright
Anyone on PSN want a training buddy? I'm coming from Strive and DBFZ, trying to wrap my head around getting better at Melty and fighting games as a whole
Idk if my YT comments is the best place to find training partners since im not so well known yet. 😅 But you may have some luck inside of the melty blood discord, Im sure people are looking for games in there
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Finally someone talking about no followup shield
its the BIG BRAIN strat
Thanks for the video as always! I'd love a video explaining oki and meatys in a deeper sense. Coming from strive which is much slower paces, its really hard to get the timing down and figure out what really are my best options
Nice video, you're the first youtuber I've seen bring attention to pressing nothing after shield. Very important
indeed a great mind game to throw in and the first layer I usually establish to see of my opponents know
Really the best option imo
This was incredibly helpful, best tutorial on the mechanic I've seen so far.
This shit gets so crazy, but I'd be lying if I said it aint satisfying as fuck to beat someone at a shield war
my friend shields very often and i've been getting better at shield cancelling my approach options just in case. this has led to some over 10 turn shield wars that have been silly as hell pulling us across the map
they make for some interesting clips thats for sure... lol
yo this was great. thorough, clear, and quick. gonna be taking that last 3c tip for a ride later with Ciel
"The way to win the war is not to take part of the war"
-Sun tzu
Ay that’s a smart man!
if only that can apply to emiya shirou...
I won the irak war
the beginning step of structuring your offense in this game should be trying to convince your opponent that shielding out of your pressure is a bad idea. once theyre afraid to shield you can really go ham with any character.
Thanks for the vid! Shielding this way is a new mechanic I’m getting used to and the tips about engaging in shield war or disengaging were helpful!
glad you found some use for it!
This makes sense why Shiki always picks scissors during the shield (rock) RPS situation lol.
I learned from all every other Shiki online that it is indeed the right answer every time because you can't be scared to stab a mf.
A bad relationship is when you shield war but your significant other refuses to initiate back.
11:58 new to fighting games, in this situation how can I counter 3C then? Because I can’t get close to the opponent if opponent keep shooting projectile to keep the distance if I’m playing melee such as Shiki. If I keep dashing whenever I try to stop myself I will take stagger duration that I can’t block or shield so it leads to a full combo on me. Pressing B it’s a guaranteed hit from opponent by 3BC. Ciel, Roa, Vlov they both has tendency to shoot projectiles rapidly. It’s kinda desperate to deal with them every time going against them (yea so I dodge them a lot…). You just can’t B them otherwise you just get hit it’s so busted.
you really just have to slowly make your way in. at least with vlov, once you're in, he doesn't have a lot of good get-off-me options so just go ham
My boy, the growth on this channel and how fast. Beautiful. Keep it up king....where's the facecam
we are trying our best out here! Depending on the type of video I sometimes think the face cam will get in the way of the demonstrations so I opt out. Don't worry face cam will be in some videos coming up like discussion videos around the game!
This video is great, very informative and easy to learn. I play Miyako, so after I shield and then I see my opponent shield, I grab and get a full combo off that. It’s such a mind game cause I get scared I’m gonna get launched
This was incredibly helpful, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very much, my friend loves spam shield to every single move and I didn't know how to response to that, specially when he teleports behind me. I play Red Arcueid so it's annoying when he shield my projectiles or C attacks
I was just watching your movement guide. You have great timing. 💯
A distinction that I think needs to be clarified is that you can only switch shield positions between high and low AFTER blocking at least one attack. You cannot change the position of a freshly activate shield that hasn't absorbed an attack, so players who do nothing on wake-up can fatal counter you on reaction if you press shield, or attack you when you release it.
Also, the B+C follow up costs half moon gauge for both the offensive and defensive player. It only looks like the player shielding spends 1/4th meter because when you successfully shield, you are rewarded with an additional 2 moon gauge bars at the end of the current shield interaction (i.e. when you release shield, cancel it, or get hit out of it). If the player who executed the shield and blocked the attack has less than 50% moon gauge, they cannot use the B+C follow-up, even though they will be rewarded moon gauge for landing a shield afterwards.
Great video Daiken!!
Ay Thanks bro! 🙏
Cool video. I learned some tips with shielding since that part always messed me up. I'm curious tho, what is the outro for this video? It sounds nice
original melty blood character select th-cam.com/video/8z4ugIPMNTY/w-d-xo.html
surprisingly the A shield follow up can actually reach the b+c follow up, though its only from the corner
Really informative video, lot I didn't know yet thank you
I played witha vlov earlier and idk how much of his projectile i shielded but didnt initiate just because, and the fact that the vlov is shielding from pretty much fullscreen more often than not in response to that is kinda funny to me
Mans is expecting that b followup lol. But iirc from a really far distance on projectiles you can just block the b because it takes long enough to get to you
More time for you to close the distance =)
You are awesome. Awesome video too.
To be honest, im not a fan of how powerful the shield is. This is only off about 12-15 hours of play time. I seem to be able to cheese people with shield and get a free small combo into a grab on wake up cause the opponent was wake up shielding. Just my opinion though.
That's what I thought at first but I've now realized that shield (on HKD) is making 2 guesses; high/low and strike with no baits. If you have good mix it's easier to deal with
Turning Input Display on in tutorial videos are a great help for newer people that don't have a deep understanding of FGs.
It's also easier to see exactly what are you doing and when you say "See? In this situation I'm locked in and can't do anything" it's very clearly verifiable.
Oh, you did turn it on halfway through. But there was a situation before it that having it already on would have been yet another way to solidify your point that you can't input shield after a Moon skill/EX Special.
yea i remembered to turn them on halfway through sorry! I keep forgetting while they don't help me it may help someone out there.
No matter what I do I ALWAYS lose shield battles
I really hate shield
you will get used to it!
@@DaikenFGC youre right, its kinda hype now
Not gonna lie, shield is one of the things preventing me from enjoying this game, along with the lack of buffer and the auto combos.
It’s annoying at first but you get used too it
@@DaikenFGC I hope so. I really want to enjoy it because I was looking forward to it a lot and both my friends who have it like it a lot too, but I'm just not having fun.
Why would auto combos bother you?
@@spongbobsquarepants3922 it is way too easy to accidentally get stuck in auto-combo in this game when you mean to do something else, especially since it's on every button. It's even worse because auto-combos are unsafe on block and you can't reverse beat out of them.
@@mallow2902 they've given a lot more characters safe on block specials (usually like -4 or -2) to make up for this it seems
doesn't fix the problem all the time but if you can remember to use those at least blocked autocombos wont get you killed outright
Anyone on PSN want a training buddy?
I'm coming from Strive and DBFZ, trying to wrap my head around getting better at Melty and fighting games as a whole
Idk if my YT comments is the best place to find training partners since im not so well known yet. 😅
But you may have some luck inside of the melty blood discord, Im sure people are looking for games in there
Try the discord for sure but id ve willing if we’re in the same region
You missed the grab.
Huh?
I'm going to be honest, I hate the shield mechanic. I find all of the rest of melty blood's gameplay great but I hate the shield mechanic.
Believe it or not all high lvl switch matches on this game are solely the shield mechanic and who gets hit by it first it’s actually kinda sad
This was very helpful, much appreciated.