Just bought a slightly used 19 L with 1,100 miles. Owner did all mods except Thermo delete and bark busters. Just did a 145 mile ride from Julian through Anza Borrego, Ocotillo Wells, Borrego Springs and back. This bike feels equal to my track 450R. with the 3.2 gallon IMS tank, the L actually calculated fuel used based on average MPG. Fuel light came on at 2.7 gallons used. Love this L-RL. RIDE🔥RED
Just for additional information… I could ride my CRF450RX all day on the dirt … But; it’s grim on tarmac. Why do I say that? Short gearing (the 5 speed box ) vibration and noise mean even 25km on tarmac is a challenge.
This is gonna be one of the least debated vids of all time. Who is EVER gonna find fault with ANYBODY for getting a CRF 450x. Sweet ride. Cool Vid- thx.
I went thru the same thought process when I bought my 2019 X. I did the ECU and left the stock exhaust. I see more wildlife on the trail with the quiet pipe.
Great to hear that! They're not the most attractive option when looking at the spec sheet, but it's been proven time and time again at one of the toughest races in the world. Thank you for commenting!
Maybe I’m not as hardcore off-road as most of the folks here but I’m quite happy with my L. Coming from a KLR and a DRZ before that, my 450L is a monster off-road by comparison. And I left my exhaust and tune stock. It’s plenty fast for me. Interesting points here though.
I learned the uncorking lesson on my current bike. Lots of money spent to get a dual sport set up for dirt. I currently have that bike up for sale and will be getting a 450x shortly. I totally agree, it's the perfect fit.
Unfortunately many of the newer bikes benefit greatly with an "uncork" treatment, especially if it's 50 state road and trail legal. This bike still comes with some of the emission stuff but it's easy (and cheap) to remove. All I would recommend is a fuel tuner (like a DynoJet) to fix the lean conditions & increase engine reliability. I hope the 450X will be the right decision for you! Thanks for watching.
@@fynn8252 thanks, I'm looking forward to getting one. I'm ok with the off road emissions stuff for the most part. I was initially considering a 450L/RL or Husky FE501s. I was really dissapointed with all the reviews of the 450RL because I didn't want to buy one only to have to change the ECU and exhaust to make it run correctly. Been there, done that. Then it dawned on me... The 450x has no catalytic converter and a bigger header already, not to mention the ECU map is better than the RL. And the X is lighter. With some blinkers and a horn (and an LED headlight) it'll make a great dual sport. Thanks for the video.
The 2018 crf450rx works great for me. I have a plate on it. The only modifications I made was exhaust tips with spark arrestor and a Hinson momentum clutch. I like the close ratio transmission for the off road and deep sand. I don't ride it on the street that much. It has been a great bike so far and I do all my mechanical work. The twin chamber forks are not that hard to rebuild if you get the right tools.
Nice! Yeah my friend also likes the close ratio with a rekluse auto on his yz450f. The 450RX is insane! If I had the ability to control that power, I'd be all about that train. Honda makes great machines.
I watched this video several months ago when I was contemplating a CRF450L or CRF450X. I could relatively easily plate the CRF450X, I actually plated a CRF250RX last year. So I was thinking about getting a CRF450X and dual sporting it. But, in the end, I found a 2019 CRF450L with 750 miles on it at a decent price. The 450 is my "backup" dirt bike anyway. If I'm riding strictly off road or only need to ride a few miles of pavement to connect the trails, I prefer the CRF250RX, especially for tighter trails. If the trails are wide open or I have 10+ miles of pavement to ride to get to the trails, I'll take the CRF450L.
Great choice! In your situation, the 450L makes more sense. I ended up selling the 450X and downsizing to a WR250F. 250s rock off-road, especially in the tighter technical sections. I sort of lost interest in long distance dual-sport trips so a bigger cc bike wasn't really necessary. I still get the itch every now and again though!
I have a buddy with the WR250F. His is uncorked. Awesome bike. The weekend after getting my 450L, I rode it 30 miles to meet him at the trails we ride, sort of a proof of concept to myself about the dual sport capabilities of the 450L. At one point, we swapped bikes. It was shocking how much easier it is to ride the 250 on the tight stuff. The next time, I loaded my 450L and 250RX in the back of the pickup and rode them back to back. The 450 makes the 250 toy-like, but in a good way. Still, the 450 is going to stay in my stable for a considerable time. We’re selling our house and belongings to live full time in an RV and going mobile. My 450L will be my commuter. I’ve got a Triumph Scrambler and Versys X300 street bikes that I’m getting rid of. Space is going to be at a premium so having a street legal dirt bike that shares so much in common with my actual dirt bike just makes the most sense.
Nice bike and great video. Any chance you can tag the products you got, like the front blinkers and rear lights? Is that an air horn? Those guards on the frame are awesome too!
Thank you so much! The blinkers, horn, and rear light all came in a kit from RockyMtn: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/tusk-motorcycle-enduro-lighting-kit-p Acerbis Frame covers: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0716NN2FV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Polisport Swingarm covers: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077BRJVD2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Just a word of wisdom on the Frame covers. The right side needs to be trimmed since there is excess plastics. They don't make frame guards for the gen 2 CRF450X AFAIK. The swingarm covers fit perfectly though!
I went through this dilemma as well. Here are 3 reasons I decided to go with the X or the WR450F: First, more linear and calm motor. The engine was orientated to be a little friendlier and longer lasting. Everything from the lower compression, third ring on the piston, larger oil capacity, thermostat and overall reduced power compared to the R made it seem like you wouldn't have to touch the motor. So, I like how Honda actually made physical changes to their engine rather than only detuning a race motor with software. The YZ-F, YZ-FX & WR have the exact same engine, only mapped differently. Second, the 6 speed wide-ratio was a big deal for me since I have a range of riding styles. However, the WR's last gear is right in-between my 5th and 6th so cruising at 60 won't be that big of a difference. But having 1 additional gear is nice. Third, upgrading the gas tank on the 450X is MUCH easier than the WR. On the Yamaha, IMS makes a 2.8 gallon but it protrudes out of the bike and requires you to cut foam from the seat. You can ditch the aftermarket tanks completely and just buy a fuel bag. The only issue is they need to be stored somewhere. Overall, the two bikes are honestly so close and so good. Next time I'd consider the WR for its better suspension, handling, exhaust routing, and lighter weight.
@@fynn8252 Fair points. Fuel tanks are the downfall of the twin spar frame. 15+L tank should be part of every D/S and enduro design. No one wants a 7L tank. 32,000km rebuilds and the extra ring was the big seller for me too over the competition. As for suspension, compared to the WR do you think there's much difference? While I haven't ridden the Yamaha the Honda suspension is brilliant once properly sprung. I suspect adding a Rekluse or flywheel weight to the Honda would close the gap so much to make it only a colour choice issue. If Yamaha wanted to own the market they'd release a legal, lowered, de-tuned WR500Tenere with a 20L tank, Fisher seat and small windscreen. A guy can dream.
@@mikeisland7382 The suspension on the Honda is really good and I absolutely love it. For faster riding, the WR250F that I rode took higher speed bumps better. I'd have to have both side by side and play with each to get a comprehensive opinion. Everyone says the KYB's are best in class so I just figured they might "technically" be better.
This is my thought as well. One argument could be the extended rear sub-frame if you want to mount larger tank bags for big trips. A lot of guys also like the convenience of having something street-legal without tinkering or dealing with the DMV. But with $200 and a few hours of garage time, you can be just as legal!
My understanding is that the L/RL has an extra piston ring which could be beneficial for the long haul. But l agree with you..if you're able to plate the X l would definitely go that route myself 👍
So the ECU on this particular CRF450X is "locked" and you can't program it......that sucks! You can on the 2023 WR450s. Wonder if this is true for 2023 Honda CRF450X models?
Here in the states, both the WR and CRF enduro bikes come with a LOCKED ecu. Even the 2023 models. I heard that the SLR Honda team uses a CRF450R ECU with some reprogramming on their 450X race bikes. Yamaha is ahead of the game with user tune ability.
Hello!. Is it possible to change rear wing plastic from model X to RL? On the RL model, the upper plastic is weakly attached and it does not hold securely.
I don't believe it is possible since the rear subframe of the RL is different than the X. With some trimming, it may work. I would ask on a Facebook group to see if they can help out. I'm sure someone out there has a solution for you!
What lighting kit did you use for the road legal aspect? The Tusk kit I see online looks clunky and not nice and slim like yours. Yours looks like the “tidy tail” kit from TacoMoto. For the front blinkers, what are they mounting to? I’m in the market for another bike- had a 2019 FE501, but want the reliability and maintenance intervals from Honda, so I’m considering the 450x. Thanks.
This actually is the Tusk Street legal kit. It’s tucked underneath the plastics so it appears smaller. The front turn signals are mounted to the upper triple clamps. Basically it’s a thin oval sheet of metal with 3 holes. 2 for the upper fork pinch bolts and one for the turn signal. Looking back, I wouldn’t buy the kit again because the wiring harness was so bulky and didn’t route nicely. I just zip tie my license plate to a backpack and signal with my hands. I don’t spend much time on the pavement with these dirt bikes.
Thanks! Unfortunately, I was never able to use the stock ECU for this bike because the previous owner threw the stock exhaust away. Didn’t want to risk running in a lean condition. I have heard from other reviews that a bone stock 450X runs really smoothly. I have never came across anybody that says a stock 450X runs like garbage. On the 450L, you hear that story a lot more!
@@usa45v26 I think so too. I know the X has a different triple tree at the top because there's no key insert. I bet it's a minor tweak somewhere in the chassis. Honda probably wanted that extra length for stability on the pavement.
It will cruise at 65mph but I would never ride it like that for 60 miles. The ride won’t be comfortable and your off-road tires will wear quick! But yes, the bike could theoretically handle this situation. I once did 10 miles at 75mph and won’t do it again. The motor felt busy and the handling was a little wobbly. City and town riding speeds are perfect though.
Just to follow up on this … I purchased a road-legal 2023 450RX .. oh and a trailer !! I’ve done 500km on it so far. Utterly love it! For the road it needs to be on the trailer though ! (25km is ok … but just to join up the trails) Thanks for your earlier reply.
Thanks for the video. Does the X have two piston rings and the additional third oil ring like the L version has? Had heard it did, but haven't found a parts listing that shows enough detail to verify.
From 2 videos I watched, one of them being from Hondas TH-cam channel, the X has the additional third oil ring for durability. I can try to find the parts catalog for the engine later.
CRF450L Crankshaft/Piston - www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/hon/5b8f064e87a86615544289c0/crankshaft-piston CRF450X Crankshaft/Piston - www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/hon/5bb62a1387a8660720592f4a/crankshaft-piston The rest of the engine should also be exactly the same.
Decent review. If you live in California buy the l/rl you need the plate with all the restrictions the libtards have forced on us. If you can plate an x in your state maybe that works for you. Same motor basically with a different ecu mapping but that changes with the aftermarket units. Pricey but gets you there. After market exhausts, pricey again but we know more air flow equals more power. You do get the weight loss as well. It appears that after the mods the L/RL is real close to the X in engine performance and closer in weight but not as light. The extra tail section frame does allow you to have a tail rack for carrying stuff, whether it’s tools or something else it’s damn convenient. At least it’s a Honda and not one of those white or orange bikes.
So I was thinking the stage 2 kit but people are say it only give you 50 hp with just the stage one they claim 47 hp so how does that work sound like a sham
According to SDP's dyno graph. The stage 1 produces 46hp and the stage 2 makes around 56. I think stage 1 is the way to go since they produce similar power below 7k rpm. Stage 2 just sounds crazy unless you're a FAST rider! sandiegopowerhouse.com/products/san-diego-powerhouse-stage-2-power-kit-2019-20-crf-450x-l
@@fynn8252 but there website claims min 19 hp gain the 450x has 41.1 hp so the numbers are not even close to what they are saying if that’s the case should be closer to 60 hp
@@robertlambert7906 Yeah, I’m not sure why they make that claim. The dyno is usually what I look at since that’s raw wheel hp. I would ask on ThumperTalk if anyone runs a stage 2 and notices a dramatic difference. If yes, it may be worth considering. If I remember, you’re building a snow bike right?
@@fynn8252 already built it and ripped it this year I have the vortex from twisted D fmf smogg delete airbox and backfire screen removed I just want more hp but is 46 really that noticeable from 56 ?
Does the X have cush drive ? That's quite important, and are the oil change intervals every 10 hours like on the R ? Surely the suspension is not the same .....or am I mixing R model... Thanks for posting ......enjoy your rides....
Neither the X or the L have a cush drive. Some people in the beginning associated the rubber coated rear sprocket (on the L) with “dampening”, but it only reduces noise. The oil changes on both are every 600 miles or 25-30 hours if you’re average speed is around 20 mph. Suspension on the X and L are similar but I believe there are some minor tweaks since the ground clearance and wheelbase is different. The R is valved differently and has stiffer springs.
I have a 05 with a big bore kit and aftermarket head, full exhaust, electric fan steering stabilizer, runs great. I could of just done a valve job. I didnt even need to do a big bore kit. Sure they are heavy, not the best on slower technical crap. The X's like to go fast, that's when they shine.
I live in Arizona and it was very simple to get a tag for this bike. No inspection either. They just asked me how much pavement will be ridden and I told them 15% street, 85% off-road. The tag bracket is made by enduro engineering: www.amazon.com/Enduro-Engineering-License-Plastic-Husqvarna/dp/B06XZR4XH9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AEXJB0LWS66A&keywords=enduro+engineering+bracket&qid=1640790692&sprefix=enduro+engineering+bracket%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-1 and that's mounted to a tusk street-legal kit.
@@captainamerica9353 I'm not a legal expert but here was my situation. When I bought the bike used, it came with an Arizona title from the prior owner, no MSO or COO. I don't recall seeing the "For off-road use only" phrase anywhere on the paper. I took the title to the DMV and asked for a title transfer. They also asked if I needed a license plate/OHV sticker and I said: "sure". They also asked how much highway use it would get, and I replied: "no highway, just backroads". After everything was said and done, I walked out with a temporary licence plate, my registration and OHV sticker. I think the whole "getting a dirtbike street legal" is dependant on a state-by-state basis. For example, California & Oregon don't allow plated dirt bikes at all whereas Utah and Arizona aren't as strict. So depending on where you live, the process and rules can be different. Feel free to reply back if you have any more questions. Thanks for watching!
would u happen to know where I can purchase a supermoto kit for this exact same bike. I can’t find anything online about somebody making the 450x into a supermoto. I can only find L models
@@fynn8252 I figured. I just needed someone with experience to tell me that. all the specs are pre much the same I just don’t wanna buy an L kit and it end up not working out
All 450f's get hot in tight sections. The reason you didn't notice is because you don't have a gauge. When it starts popping and has no low end torque (aka stalls constantly), its boiling the F over :) These bikes need a temp gauge &/or a fan. Its funny how all the reviews bash them for having no grunt, and then they show pictures in a Moab single track with waterafalls... its a trail bike, not an erzberg rodeo clown. Good bikes all around, just know the limits, we've had them all (XR, RX, X Gen1, X Gen3) and for desert riding, Hondas are king. See you out there!!!
@@MrBluesmeister I meant 450 four strokes: CR-F, YZ-F, WR-F, XC-F, F-E. All including Suzuki with their Z lol. But I will up the ante and say any bike without a fan will boil in tight single track. 2 Stroke Enduro bikes come with a fan; my 2 stroke trials bike that doesn't even have a battery still has a fan. Luckily its a simple mod, just run a fan if you want to tighten it up :)
Surprised they have the same gear ratios. And I would get neither because of how lean they come. Expensive enough without having to worry about destroy values. Crazy from what I’ve heard
It’s definitely not for everyone. I didn’t buy new for that specific reason. The best thing is to find one used that already has the expensive mods done. Unfortunately, the lean factor is a common trend on all street legal motorcycles. The Off-road based machines generally run a little bit better.
Since I posted that ⬆️. I purchased a brand new 2023 CRF450RX I utterly love it! Wow it’s exciting. I have a 10L Kriega bag on the rear mudguard … fitted with the Kriega “dirt bike clips” Looking at “overnight” camping trips I’m planning on Mosko Moto Reckless throw overs. I think the mudguard is stiff enough , but will construct a 15CM metal frame to strengthen the plastic (fitted underneath) . Any questions about the CRF450RX; I’ll do my best to answer them.
RX more powerful by about 10 ponies....Same price right now. The x will need less rebuild if ran stock. Both nice bikes! Personally,I crave the extra power for East coast trails. 450RX great choice.
@@CatholicCrusader__30 The stock tail light cannot function as a brake light. I tried an aftermarket light but it would’ve required wire splitting and you still need to activate it somehow. The Tusk kit includes everything and is easier. You could also just not run a brake light until someone complains ;)
I tried they will absolutely not let you plate the R All so it's stamped on the frame !! Government stops you Just like the Government was trying to shut down Glamis and ocotill Wells and all and any Deserts in the USA to Riding about 18 years a go!!! But we all fought back !! Like as if are life's depended on it BECOUSE it DID!!!!!!!
I would have been better off with the x but in Canada Honda quit selling it. I don't know if we have tougher emissions rules or something or what the reasoning was So I ended up with the rl. I'm not unhappy with it, but I'm not thrilled either. It's super expensive and it cost basically another 2000 bucks even still to make it usable. You almost have no choice but to get an exhaust and ecu or its practically unusable. I've got it set up well now, but it was really expensive to make what is essentially a worse bike for off-roading. I considered just getting an R but I can't plate one at all here so for the little road use I need, it wouldn't work. An x could have been modified easily to be road plated
I find it weird that they don’t sell the X in some countries. Australia is the same way I believe which is weird since they allow for a road legal WR450F! Did you try the ECU before doing getting a pipe or did you buy everything at once?
According to Jimmy Lewis from dirtbike test, the stock bike runs great. There could be a few reasons that lead the PO to buying it. But if you’re making any changes to the exhaust, fuel needs to be added. You can also get away with a dobeck programmer to fix the lean conditions.
Post above mentions Jimmy Lewis - he has a riding school where he emphasizes you learn how to balance yourself on the bike so you don't have worry about seat height and flat footing. Learn to balance on the bike properly and you'll never worry about having to touch both feet to the ground ever again.
Not quite. The 450RX has a different designed motor, transmission, frame, exhaust and suspension valving. It also doesn’t have lights or a speedometer either. The 450RX is almost the same as the 450R.
In my opinion, yes and no. What I like about the X is that it's 15 lbs lighter and slightly less restrictive. Not saying the X runs perfectly stock but I don't really hear anyone complaining. This is similar to comparing the KTM 500 XC-W and EXC. They're basically same bike but one has slightly better fueling and a less restricted pipe. However, some people might look at this video and say: "I'm going to modify the bike anyway and for $200 more I get an LED light, everything to be street legal and an extended rear subframe. In that case, going with the L makes sense! I do think there should be a larger price gap between the two. Keep the L at $10K and drop the X to $9500-$9600.
My 2022 CRF 450 RL I Piped it still waiting for my Vortex ECU it's all ready been 2 months low mirrors, under the fender license plate ,supper cross tires much more BUT!!! NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!!!! take this thing in the dirt Never!!!!! It rides like a covered wagan in the dirt you are equal to taking a crotch rocket in the dirt!!! No matter how the settings are its going to need revalving and spring!!!!!!!!
The L is an overpriced and under performing piece of rubbish. Had potential but lacked too much. Slower then the X and had more issues with the engine but the L also had the same short service intervals as the X. The L is heavy. Terrible at low speeds and doesn’t come close to any other duel sports motorcycle. That’s the reason why the L has been discontinued in places such as Australia and europe
You might be right ! I chose the RX, simply because it’s lighter. In Europe it comes with a restriction… but that’s easily discarded! Utterly love this bike
Just bought a slightly used 19 L with 1,100 miles. Owner did all mods except Thermo delete and bark busters. Just did a 145 mile ride from Julian through Anza Borrego, Ocotillo Wells, Borrego Springs and back. This bike feels equal to my track 450R. with the 3.2 gallon IMS tank, the L actually calculated fuel used based on average MPG. Fuel light came on at 2.7 gallons used. Love this L-RL. RIDE🔥RED
That’s awesome! I like these bikes a lot more than the heavy ADVs. Keep up the adventures 🤙
@Fynn825 California is the only reason for the L, wish for a AZ address and I'd plate my 97' CR500R! 🤛🏁🤜
Mike, thanks for posting… 👍🏻
Just for additional information… I could ride my CRF450RX all day on the dirt …
But; it’s grim on tarmac.
Why do I say that?
Short gearing (the 5 speed box ) vibration and noise mean even 25km on tarmac is a challenge.
The L will never feel like an R lol
This is gonna be one of the least debated vids of all time.
Who is EVER gonna find fault with ANYBODY for getting a CRF 450x.
Sweet ride. Cool Vid- thx.
I went thru the same thought process when I bought my 2019 X. I did the ECU and left the stock exhaust. I see more wildlife on the trail with the quiet pipe.
That’s a good move! Can’t go wrong with stock exhaust.
I’ve got a 2005 450X even today it runs well and is excellent condition never gives any problems thanks for the Video Enjoy your ride…!!!
Great to hear that! They're not the most attractive option when looking at the spec sheet, but it's been proven time and time again at one of the toughest races in the world. Thank you for commenting!
Maybe I’m not as hardcore off-road as most of the folks here but I’m quite happy with my L. Coming from a KLR and a DRZ before that, my 450L is a monster off-road by comparison. And I left my exhaust and tune stock. It’s plenty fast for me. Interesting points here though.
I learned the uncorking lesson on my current bike. Lots of money spent to get a dual sport set up for dirt. I currently have that bike up for sale and will be getting a 450x shortly. I totally agree, it's the perfect fit.
Unfortunately many of the newer bikes benefit greatly with an "uncork" treatment, especially if it's 50 state road and trail legal. This bike still comes with some of the emission stuff but it's easy (and cheap) to remove. All I would recommend is a fuel tuner (like a DynoJet) to fix the lean conditions & increase engine reliability. I hope the 450X will be the right decision for you! Thanks for watching.
@@fynn8252 thanks, I'm looking forward to getting one. I'm ok with the off road emissions stuff for the most part. I was initially considering a 450L/RL or Husky FE501s. I was really dissapointed with all the reviews of the 450RL because I didn't want to buy one only to have to change the ECU and exhaust to make it run correctly. Been there, done that. Then it dawned on me... The 450x has no catalytic converter and a bigger header already, not to mention the ECU map is better than the RL. And the X is lighter. With some blinkers and a horn (and an LED headlight) it'll make a great dual sport. Thanks for the video.
The 2018 crf450rx works great for me. I have a plate on it. The only modifications I made was exhaust tips with spark arrestor and a Hinson momentum clutch. I like the close ratio transmission for the off road and deep sand. I don't ride it on the street that much. It has been a great bike so far and I do all my mechanical work. The twin chamber forks are not that hard to rebuild if you get the right tools.
Nice! Yeah my friend also likes the close ratio with a rekluse auto on his yz450f. The 450RX is insane! If I had the ability to control that power, I'd be all about that train. Honda makes great machines.
I have a 2017 RX and love it. What gearing do you have on yours?
@@erikjuntikka8766 3.846. 50/13 sprockets. Thought about the 51 sprocket, but I already have the stock sprockets for replacing when needed.
@@perryrohr8999 I do 51/13 - and as long as I do trails that is perfect, but it is reving to much for everything over 50 mph.
I watched this video several months ago when I was contemplating a CRF450L or CRF450X. I could relatively easily plate the CRF450X, I actually plated a CRF250RX last year. So I was thinking about getting a CRF450X and dual sporting it. But, in the end, I found a 2019 CRF450L with 750 miles on it at a decent price. The 450 is my "backup" dirt bike anyway. If I'm riding strictly off road or only need to ride a few miles of pavement to connect the trails, I prefer the CRF250RX, especially for tighter trails. If the trails are wide open or I have 10+ miles of pavement to ride to get to the trails, I'll take the CRF450L.
Great choice! In your situation, the 450L makes more sense. I ended up selling the 450X and downsizing to a WR250F. 250s rock off-road, especially in the tighter technical sections. I sort of lost interest in long distance dual-sport trips so a bigger cc bike wasn't really necessary. I still get the itch every now and again though!
I have a buddy with the WR250F. His is uncorked. Awesome bike. The weekend after getting my 450L, I rode it 30 miles to meet him at the trails we ride, sort of a proof of concept to myself about the dual sport capabilities of the 450L. At one point, we swapped bikes. It was shocking how much easier it is to ride the 250 on the tight stuff. The next time, I loaded my 450L and 250RX in the back of the pickup and rode them back to back. The 450 makes the 250 toy-like, but in a good way. Still, the 450 is going to stay in my stable for a considerable time. We’re selling our house and belongings to live full time in an RV and going mobile. My 450L will be my commuter. I’ve got a Triumph Scrambler and Versys X300 street bikes that I’m getting rid of. Space is going to be at a premium so having a street legal dirt bike that shares so much in common with my actual dirt bike just makes the most sense.
Thank you, I learned so much!
Really good overview of your bike, and of the differences between it and the RL.
You did a better job of explaining this than my Portuguese Honda dealer did !
Please accept my thanks ! 👍🏻
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Nice bike and great video. Any chance you can tag the products you got, like the front blinkers and rear lights? Is that an air horn? Those guards on the frame are awesome too!
Thank you so much!
The blinkers, horn, and rear light all came in a kit from RockyMtn: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/tusk-motorcycle-enduro-lighting-kit-p
Acerbis Frame covers: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0716NN2FV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Polisport Swingarm covers: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077BRJVD2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Just a word of wisdom on the Frame covers. The right side needs to be trimmed since there is excess plastics. They don't make frame guards for the gen 2 CRF450X AFAIK. The swingarm covers fit perfectly though!
Modded 450L owner here. I think the real dilemma here is if you are able to plate a 450X where you live, do you go with the 450X or the WR450?
I went through this dilemma as well. Here are 3 reasons I decided to go with the X or the WR450F:
First, more linear and calm motor. The engine was orientated to be a little friendlier and longer lasting. Everything from the lower compression, third ring on the piston, larger oil capacity, thermostat and overall reduced power compared to the R made it seem like you wouldn't have to touch the motor. So, I like how Honda actually made physical changes to their engine rather than only detuning a race motor with software. The YZ-F, YZ-FX & WR have the exact same engine, only mapped differently.
Second, the 6 speed wide-ratio was a big deal for me since I have a range of riding styles. However, the WR's last gear is right in-between my 5th and 6th so cruising at 60 won't be that big of a difference. But having 1 additional gear is nice.
Third, upgrading the gas tank on the 450X is MUCH easier than the WR. On the Yamaha, IMS makes a 2.8 gallon but it protrudes out of the bike and requires you to cut foam from the seat. You can ditch the aftermarket tanks completely and just buy a fuel bag. The only issue is they need to be stored somewhere.
Overall, the two bikes are honestly so close and so good. Next time I'd consider the WR for its better suspension, handling, exhaust routing, and lighter weight.
@@fynn8252 Fair points. Fuel tanks are the downfall of the twin spar frame. 15+L tank should be part of every D/S and enduro design. No one wants a 7L tank. 32,000km rebuilds and the extra ring was the big seller for me too over the competition. As for suspension, compared to the WR do you think there's much difference? While I haven't ridden the Yamaha the Honda suspension is brilliant once properly sprung. I suspect adding a Rekluse or flywheel weight to the Honda would close the gap so much to make it only a colour choice issue. If Yamaha wanted to own the market they'd release a legal, lowered, de-tuned WR500Tenere with a 20L tank, Fisher seat and small windscreen. A guy can dream.
@@mikeisland7382 The suspension on the Honda is really good and I absolutely love it. For faster riding, the WR250F that I rode took higher speed bumps better. I'd have to have both side by side and play with each to get a comprehensive opinion. Everyone says the KYB's are best in class so I just figured they might "technically" be better.
That only makes sense if you can plate it in your state
If you can get the X plated there's no reason to buy the L
This is my thought as well. One argument could be the extended rear sub-frame if you want to mount larger tank bags for big trips. A lot of guys also like the convenience of having something street-legal without tinkering or dealing with the DMV. But with $200 and a few hours of garage time, you can be just as legal!
Guys put so much money into an L to uncork it and make it run right.
I totally agree , just start out with the X and make it street legal
How the hell can u plate the X
My understanding is that the L/RL has an extra piston ring which could be beneficial for the long haul.
But l agree with you..if you're able to plate the X l would definitely go that route myself 👍
The X has the same engine, so it also has that 3rd ring for durability!
But the Rs engine differs?
Nice clear explanation, thanks!
So the ECU on this particular CRF450X is "locked" and you can't program it......that sucks! You can on the 2023 WR450s. Wonder if this is true for 2023 Honda CRF450X models?
Here in the states, both the WR and CRF enduro bikes come with a LOCKED ecu. Even the 2023 models. I heard that the SLR Honda team uses a CRF450R ECU with some reprogramming on their 450X race bikes. Yamaha is ahead of the game with user tune ability.
Great job on video 😊
Hello!. Is it possible to change rear wing plastic from model X to RL? On the RL model, the upper plastic is weakly attached and it does not hold securely.
I don't believe it is possible since the rear subframe of the RL is different than the X. With some trimming, it may work. I would ask on a Facebook group to see if they can help out. I'm sure someone out there has a solution for you!
@@fynn8252 good idea!
What lighting kit did you use for the road legal aspect? The Tusk kit I see online looks clunky and not nice and slim like yours. Yours looks like the “tidy tail” kit from TacoMoto. For the front blinkers, what are they mounting to?
I’m in the market for another bike- had a 2019 FE501, but want the reliability and maintenance intervals from Honda, so I’m considering the 450x. Thanks.
This actually is the Tusk Street legal kit. It’s tucked underneath the plastics so it appears smaller. The front turn signals are mounted to the upper triple clamps. Basically it’s a thin oval sheet of metal with 3 holes. 2 for the upper fork pinch bolts and one for the turn signal.
Looking back, I wouldn’t buy the kit again because the wiring harness was so bulky and didn’t route nicely. I just zip tie my license plate to a backpack and signal with my hands. I don’t spend much time on the pavement with these dirt bikes.
nope the plate anoyance is worth the work needed to make it correct as this bike still needs a ton of help
Excellent Information. Thank you
Does the X need a ecu swap to run decent the way the rl does ??
Thanks! Unfortunately, I was never able to use the stock ECU for this bike because the previous owner threw the stock exhaust away. Didn’t want to risk running in a lean condition. I have heard from other reviews that a bone stock 450X runs really smoothly. I have never came across anybody that says a stock 450X runs like garbage. On the 450L, you hear that story a lot more!
I bought a the X when they were first released in 2005 nice bike but it wasn't enough power for me i wish id bought the R model now!
I dont know if you can, but look into the cutting pink wire mod it makes it a whole new bike
What makes the seat height .7 inch higher on the X over the RL? Tires, seat, suspension...?
The X has a slightly smaller wheelbase which raises the bike up a little.
@@fynn8252 i guess that could be the rake, (not sure if its in the triple trees or frame) or you did mention the swingarm is longer on the RL too.
@@usa45v26 I think so too. I know the X has a different triple tree at the top because there's no key insert. I bet it's a minor tweak somewhere in the chassis. Honda probably wanted that extra length for stability on the pavement.
May I ask about the “road “ ability ? Will it cruise at 65mph ? Could I make a 60 mile journey to the trails ?
It will cruise at 65mph but I would never ride it like that for 60 miles. The ride won’t be comfortable and your off-road tires will wear quick! But yes, the bike could theoretically handle this situation.
I once did 10 miles at 75mph and won’t do it again. The motor felt busy and the handling was a little wobbly. City and town riding speeds are perfect though.
@@fynn8252 Thanks for replying.
I suspect a CRF 450L is the bike I need … but they no longer sell them in Portugal.
Just to follow up on this … I purchased a road-legal 2023 450RX .. oh and a trailer !!
I’ve done 500km on it so far. Utterly love it!
For the road it needs to be on the trailer though ! (25km is ok … but just to join up the trails)
Thanks for your earlier reply.
mine will see over 160 Km/hr but its a single cylinder so long times at that speed feels like it might hurt it
Thanks for the video. Does the X have two piston rings and the additional third oil ring like the L version has? Had heard it did, but haven't found a parts listing that shows enough detail to verify.
From 2 videos I watched, one of them being from Hondas TH-cam channel, the X has the additional third oil ring for durability. I can try to find the parts catalog for the engine later.
CRF450L Crankshaft/Piston - www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/hon/5b8f064e87a86615544289c0/crankshaft-piston
CRF450X Crankshaft/Piston - www.hondapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/hon/5bb62a1387a8660720592f4a/crankshaft-piston
The rest of the engine should also be exactly the same.
Awesome! Thanks, the sanity check is nice :)
Decent review. If you live in California buy the l/rl you need the plate with all the restrictions the libtards have forced on us. If you can plate an x in your state maybe that works for you. Same motor basically with a different ecu mapping but that changes with the aftermarket units. Pricey but gets you there. After market exhausts, pricey again but we know more air flow equals more power. You do get the weight loss as well. It appears that after the mods the L/RL is real close to the X in engine performance and closer in weight but not as light. The extra tail section frame does allow you to have a tail rack for carrying stuff, whether it’s tools or something else it’s damn convenient. At least it’s a Honda and not one of those white or orange bikes.
The fan on the ls for sitting in traffic
Did you ever consider a 250rx and plating it?
I didn’t at the time because I was worried about the 5-speed transmission not being enough for the street.
A well informed video. I agree with everything you said. ✅
So I was thinking the stage 2 kit but people are say it only give you 50 hp with just the stage one they claim 47 hp so how does that work sound like a sham
According to SDP's dyno graph. The stage 1 produces 46hp and the stage 2 makes around 56. I think stage 1 is the way to go since they produce similar power below 7k rpm. Stage 2 just sounds crazy unless you're a FAST rider!
sandiegopowerhouse.com/products/san-diego-powerhouse-stage-2-power-kit-2019-20-crf-450x-l
@@fynn8252 but there website claims min 19 hp gain the 450x has 41.1 hp so the numbers are not even close to what they are saying if that’s the case should be closer to 60 hp
@@robertlambert7906 Yeah, I’m not sure why they make that claim. The dyno is usually what I look at since that’s raw wheel hp. I would ask on ThumperTalk if anyone runs a stage 2 and notices a dramatic difference. If yes, it may be worth considering. If I remember, you’re building a snow bike right?
@@fynn8252 already built it and ripped it this year I have the vortex from twisted D fmf smogg delete airbox and backfire screen removed I just want more hp but is 46 really that noticeable from 56 ?
@@robertlambert7906 I think 10 hp would be noticeable on the ground but on a snow bike I’m not sure. I’d be the wrong person to ask
Is that rubber piece just a plug for a spoke hole and it’s missing a spoke from the factory?
It's supposed to be a drain for water. As the wheel spins fast, the plug will lift up a tiny bit and allow water to come out.
If I'm going to get a 450/500-ish I'm not going to settle for that low Honda HP. I went with the KTM 500 EXCF. Mor power baby!
Does the X have cush drive ? That's quite important, and are the oil change intervals every 10 hours like on the R ? Surely the suspension is not the same .....or am I mixing R model...
Thanks for posting ......enjoy your rides....
Neither the X or the L have a cush drive. Some people in the beginning associated the rubber coated rear sprocket (on the L) with “dampening”, but it only reduces noise. The oil changes on both are every 600 miles or 25-30 hours if you’re average speed is around 20 mph. Suspension on the X and L are similar but I believe there are some minor tweaks since the ground clearance and wheelbase is different. The R is valved differently and has stiffer springs.
@@fynn8252 Thanks ...
I have a 05 with a big bore kit and aftermarket head, full exhaust, electric fan steering stabilizer, runs great. I could of just done a valve job. I didnt even need to do a big bore kit. Sure they are heavy, not the best on slower technical crap. The X's like to go fast, that's when they shine.
Was it difficult to Tag the bike?
Where did you get the tag bracket? TIA
I live in Arizona and it was very simple to get a tag for this bike. No inspection either. They just asked me how much pavement will be ridden and I told them 15% street, 85% off-road. The tag bracket is made by enduro engineering: www.amazon.com/Enduro-Engineering-License-Plastic-Husqvarna/dp/B06XZR4XH9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AEXJB0LWS66A&keywords=enduro+engineering+bracket&qid=1640790692&sprefix=enduro+engineering+bracket%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-1
and that's mounted to a tusk street-legal kit.
@@fynn8252 , you say it was easy to plate, but what does the MSO / COO read? If it reads "For off-road use only", how can you plate it?
@@captainamerica9353 I'm not a legal expert but here was my situation. When I bought the bike used, it came with an Arizona title from the prior owner, no MSO or COO. I don't recall seeing the "For off-road use only" phrase anywhere on the paper. I took the title to the DMV and asked for a title transfer. They also asked if I needed a license plate/OHV sticker and I said: "sure". They also asked how much highway use it would get, and I replied: "no highway, just backroads". After everything was said and done, I walked out with a temporary licence plate, my registration and OHV sticker.
I think the whole "getting a dirtbike street legal" is dependant on a state-by-state basis. For example, California & Oregon don't allow plated dirt bikes at all whereas Utah and Arizona aren't as strict. So depending on where you live, the process and rules can be different. Feel free to reply back if you have any more questions. Thanks for watching!
Will the ECU interchange between X and RL?
They cannot be interchanged unfortunately.
I like the way the headlight looks better than the RL they can just add an LED bulb to that one
would u happen to know where I can purchase a supermoto kit for this exact same bike. I can’t find anything online about somebody making the 450x into a supermoto. I can only find L models
If it fits the L it will very likely fit the X.
@@fynn8252 I figured. I just needed someone with experience to tell me that. all the specs are pre much the same I just don’t wanna buy an L kit and it end up not working out
All 450f's get hot in tight sections. The reason you didn't notice is because you don't have a gauge. When it starts popping and has no low end torque (aka stalls constantly), its boiling the F over :) These bikes need a temp gauge &/or a fan. Its funny how all the reviews bash them for having no grunt, and then they show pictures in a Moab single track with waterafalls... its a trail bike, not an erzberg rodeo clown. Good bikes all around, just know the limits, we've had them all (XR, RX, X Gen1, X Gen3) and for desert riding, Hondas are king. See you out there!!!
450f ??? Typo? Happy trails
@@MrBluesmeister I meant 450 four strokes: CR-F, YZ-F, WR-F, XC-F, F-E. All including Suzuki with their Z lol. But I will up the ante and say any bike without a fan will boil in tight single track. 2 Stroke Enduro bikes come with a fan; my 2 stroke trials bike that doesn't even have a battery still has a fan. Luckily its a simple mod, just run a fan if you want to tighten it up :)
The L has a fan stock, no need for another. I worry about those who comment and evidently know very little on what their commenting on. 17:20
@@MrBluesmeister Yea, except the title of the video is "Why I bought an X..." I worry too...
Good video man! Love my ‘22 450x and we’ll ‘06 250x.
Surprised they have the same gear ratios. And I would get neither because of how lean they come. Expensive enough without having to worry about destroy values. Crazy from what I’ve heard
It’s definitely not for everyone. I didn’t buy new for that specific reason. The best thing is to find one used that already has the expensive mods done. Unfortunately, the lean factor is a common trend on all street legal motorcycles. The Off-road based machines generally run a little bit better.
Guys .. a quick question about the rear subframe.. would it support throw over bags ? Light camping gear (20Kg ?)
Since I posted that ⬆️.
I purchased a brand new 2023 CRF450RX
I utterly love it! Wow it’s exciting.
I have a 10L Kriega bag on the rear mudguard … fitted with the Kriega “dirt bike clips”
Looking at “overnight” camping trips I’m planning on Mosko Moto Reckless throw overs. I think the mudguard is stiff enough , but will construct a 15CM metal frame to strengthen the plastic (fitted underneath) .
Any questions about the CRF450RX; I’ll do my best to answer them.
RX more powerful by about 10 ponies....Same price right now. The x will need less rebuild if ran stock. Both nice bikes! Personally,I crave the extra power for East coast trails. 450RX great choice.
could you tell me where you can get the signal light system, since it doesn't come for X and R models. Please reply.
www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/tusk-motorcycle-enduro-lighting-kit-p
@@fynn8252 Thanks Mate
God bless you.
@@fynn8252 hi do you have brake lights in the X
@@CatholicCrusader__30 The stock tail light cannot function as a brake light. I tried an aftermarket light but it would’ve required wire splitting and you still need to activate it somehow.
The Tusk kit includes everything and is easier. You could also just not run a brake light until someone complains ;)
@@fynn8252 so you removed the stock light and installed the tusk kit?
i dont get why people dont just get the 450R and put lights on it. they sell kits for it. and for the price of L its better to do that .
That sounds like a fun project! I’ve seen a few plated RX’s but I think some people like the 6 speed transmission on the L/X.
@@fynn8252 that’s fair that 6th gear will get it up to highway soeed
I did that for my XR400R with a Baja kit, the headlight needs to be one of them big Baja leds they use in the desert
I tried they will absolutely not let you plate the R All so it's stamped on the frame !! Government stops you Just like the Government was trying to shut down Glamis and ocotill Wells and all and any Deserts in the USA to Riding about 18 years a go!!! But we all fought back !! Like as if are life's depended on it BECOUSE it DID!!!!!!!
@@rockyesterline7942 that sucks I plated mine in OK then moved it to Texas and reregistered it, maybe because it's older had no issues
Where can I get the vortex but with fast shipping
Tacomoto Co might have it
Does the X need a ecu swap like the rl to run right?
Thank you
I did hear you say that in your vid.
Thought you might have acquired something more definitive.
Thank you again
That’s a clean garage!
Haha, thanks V! It’s still not as clean as I would like it.
Do you know if you can make this bike street legal in Ga?
Based on a quick search, it looks like you can! 👍
I would have been better off with the x but in Canada Honda quit selling it. I don't know if we have tougher emissions rules or something or what the reasoning was
So I ended up with the rl. I'm not unhappy with it, but I'm not thrilled either. It's super expensive and it cost basically another 2000 bucks even still to make it usable. You almost have no choice but to get an exhaust and ecu or its practically unusable. I've got it set up well now, but it was really expensive to make what is essentially a worse bike for off-roading. I considered just getting an R but I can't plate one at all here so for the little road use I need, it wouldn't work. An x could have been modified easily to be road plated
I find it weird that they don’t sell the X in some countries. Australia is the same way I believe which is weird since they allow for a road legal WR450F! Did you try the ECU before doing getting a pipe or did you buy everything at once?
So they added the 1,000 votex ecu on the x you have . I'm pretty sure if it didn't need it they wouldn't have spent that much money on it .
According to Jimmy Lewis from dirtbike test, the stock bike runs great. There could be a few reasons that lead the PO to buying it. But if you’re making any changes to the exhaust, fuel needs to be added. You can also get away with a dobeck programmer to fix the lean conditions.
how do i get those frame guards ?
Search for this part number in google: 26307-11018
Or buy from eBay here: www.ebay.com/itm/114627134151#rwid
Hey I might be getting a 2006 450x I’m 5’6 how I’d do
I’m 6ft and still can’t flatfoot with boots. It’s a tall bike. I suggest you purchase a lowering link and cut foam out of the seat.
Post above mentions Jimmy Lewis - he has a riding school where he emphasizes you learn how to balance yourself on the bike so you don't have worry about seat height and flat footing. Learn to balance on the bike properly and you'll never worry about having to touch both feet to the ground ever again.
@@jayfiles3765 bro at stop lights and cars passing i just cant be like the movie with the bus driver who cant go under 60😂
Is this the same bike as 450RX?
Not quite. The 450RX has a different designed motor, transmission, frame, exhaust and suspension valving. It also doesn’t have lights or a speedometer either. The 450RX is almost the same as the 450R.
basically, unless you live in california get the X and stick a plate on it.
In my opinion, yes and no. What I like about the X is that it's 15 lbs lighter and slightly less restrictive. Not saying the X runs perfectly stock but I don't really hear anyone complaining. This is similar to comparing the KTM 500 XC-W and EXC. They're basically same bike but one has slightly better fueling and a less restricted pipe. However, some people might look at this video and say: "I'm going to modify the bike anyway and for $200 more I get an LED light, everything to be street legal and an extended rear subframe. In that case, going with the L makes sense! I do think there should be a larger price gap between the two. Keep the L at $10K and drop the X to $9500-$9600.
My 2022 CRF 450 RL I Piped it still waiting for my Vortex ECU it's all ready been 2 months low mirrors, under the fender license plate ,supper cross tires much more BUT!!! NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!!!! take this thing in the dirt Never!!!!! It rides like a covered wagan in the dirt you are equal to taking a crotch rocket in the dirt!!! No matter how the settings are its going to need revalving and spring!!!!!!!!
What stops you from making that street legal?
It varies state to state but typically it’s pretty easy
The headers statement is false
What part was false?
The L is an overpriced and under performing piece of rubbish. Had potential but lacked too much. Slower then the X and had more issues with the engine but the L also had the same short service intervals as the X. The L is heavy. Terrible at low speeds and doesn’t come close to any other duel sports motorcycle. That’s the reason why the L has been discontinued in places such as Australia and europe
You might be right !
I chose the RX, simply because it’s lighter.
In Europe it comes with a restriction… but that’s easily discarded!
Utterly love this bike
The X is a no brainer.
👍
Bro 400 miles and you got it pre owned bro go ride it and stop talking
2300 miles now 😁
@@fynn8252 hell ya bro
Reason is your cheap
This is true!
Thanks for the explanation, helped a lot.