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Why The Honda CRF300L is Better Option Than The CRF450L Dual Sport
The Honda Crf450l and 300L are new and pretty much taking the dual sport world by storm so much that the CRF300L is very hard to get right now because of it. I really think that the Honda CRF300L is a much better option than the CRF450L because of a few reasons. The crf300l and the crf450l share pretty much the same frame and almost look the same they are different but one thing is for sure the crf300l will pretty much do anything the crf450l can do!
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*I really like the CRF450L but in all reality if you watch the video till the end! I think the CRF300L is a better option all the way around what do you think? Thank you so much*
This is like comparing a chevy cruise to a camaro.
The service intervals are the only thing that even matter to me . I need to ride bikes , not turn wrenches .✌😎🤘
I agree. As a KTM EXC-F owner I am here for a reason. I am researching a bike that will take me where I want to go without needing maintenance after each ride. 15hr interval oil and filter changes along with valve checks is really getting old for me. I just want to ride.
@@NorthofThe49th😵 That's criminal if you ask me ! I don't care how high performance of a machine it is , that's just wrong ! 😬
The amount of wrenching needed on my EXC-F compared to the CRF 250L is not that bigger, the difference is, it's all regular maintenance on the KTM and repairs on the Honda. The only repairs the KTM needed was new levers and registration plates (in my country, they're huge, much wider than the bike's profile), on the other hand, every time I dropped the Honda, something bent.
@@TacticalHamsterDance Whatever you need to tell yourself ! 8000 mile , or annual oil changes for your Kant Take Much ? I don't think so ! I change my oil every 1000 miles and I could technically let it go another 7000 if I chose to . Your Kant Take Much needs the oil changed at least every 16 hours or it will pop . 😬 I can ride my bike on the highway at speed all day long . How about your Kant Take Much ? My CRF is a 2015 I've owned since brand new , and never not once has it has it needed anything in terms of mechanical servicing other than what it says to do in the book for maintenance . How about your Kant Take Much ? How much money have you sank into that 💩 pit since you owned it brand new ? I get it though ... Buyers remorse is a bitch ain't it ? I bought a dual sport motorcycle , you bought a dirt bike with lights and a horn . 👯 #RIDERED !
@@bradb9146 oof, seems this is a particularly touchy subject. Look, I'm sorry, but I am NOT my bike choice and am aware my bikes have both pros and cons. However, the CRF was a compromise that left me dissatisfied both on the road and off it. Now I'm happy, better said, the KTM makes me happy, I can list the reasons why but ultimately it doesn't matter, I'm happy riding it and that's it.
I have always thought that the 450L should have benn made more like the 250L, just larger engine but that is not the way it turned out. That and the price makes the 450 not an option for me.
Exactly, 450 plus good service intervals and design it to easily take out all the smog/emissions stuff and open her up. All the Japanese manufacturers could do this and they would sell millions. Just don't get why they won't do it. It's a no brainer. Make a 250 and make a 500 just like the old days. Fuel injected, 6 gears, hydraulic clutch and brakes, make it easy to delete and upgrade.. Why is this so hard?
The 450L is exactly what it should be, a tad closer to the 300L than the 500EXC. Changing the oil is no big deal, it only holds 1liter. If you’re buying it for a street bike it may get annoying, but I change mine (BMW G450X) every 12 hours of riding and I don’t feel like I’m doing it a lot because it’s 95% trail riding
@@spotthedogg I second this... I have a 2020 CRF450X with a street legal kit (the 450L is the same bike as the X, but street legal) It's not a great street bike, but that's what my FJ09 is for... As a dirtbike though, this thing is fricken awesome and the oil changes are cheap & easy! 1.25 quarts of oil every 500 miles is a 10 minute ordeal. At first I had to wrap my brain around the maintenance, but in reality keeping clean oil, a clean air filter, and a lubed chain is not asking that much for a bike with this level of off-road performance and Honda Reliablility.
@@hrcjoet I've come to believe that the big 4 have agreed not to make it because you and I and many others would buy it and be done buying bikes for a long time.
To sum it up bluntly you are rating motorcycles which you do not own therefore you are not qualified to rate them! I do not wish to be rude. However, I will be blunt I’ve never heard a more supercilious narcissistic statement then when you say: “I don’t have to ride motorcycles to be able to rate them and know how they’re going to perform”. I can’t think of a more arrogant ridiculous filled statement full of rubbish I’ve heard in the last few years!! Essentially what you said was using different words: “I don’t need to ride a motorcycle to know exactly all about it” this is in essence what you said! I own both! And you couldn’t be so far from correct as night and day are different!!!!!
Succinctly it’s been proven over the last three years the 450 L does not need to have the ridiculous maintenance schedule followed if you are not trying to ride it like a motocross motorcycle! The CRF450 L is a dirtbike made in Japan at Honda‘s premier manufacturing motorcycle plant! THE CRF450L IS A DIRT BIKE WHICH IS STREET LEGAL!! Depending on how you ride it you do not need to follow the ridiculous maintenance intervals as I stated in my much longer previous rebottle too many riders have proven this to be true as has my own bike!!!! Those intervals are for the guys who buy a street legal bike and then expect to go down to the motocross track and keep up with the guys on the CRF 450 R‘s. Other than making the frame 6 mm wider to accommodate the sixth gear the frame on the CRF 450 L is the same in build quality thickness weld quality etc. as the motocross version of the CRF 450!
The CRF300L is a street bike which is somewhat dirt capable period end of discussion. This comes from somebody who owns each of them. (I did own a CRF250 L and it was the worst dual sport I have ever owned! It is too heavy, has a horrible suspension and terrible power!! I’m 5 foot 10 and 152 pounds so I don’t think my weight is the issue when I tell you a motorcycle is it under an under powered garbage scow! I could not believe Honda had turned out such junk! As of right now both of my WR250R‘s can give the CRF 300 hell a run for the money in any realm anywhere on road off road and they always thrash my CRF300L to pieces off road! The WR250R’S aluminum frames are built almost to the SAME beefy standards of the CRF 450 L. I would say when measuring the thickness of aluminum and looking at their welds they probably have between 85 to 95% of the strength of the CRF 450 L frame. If the CRF300L frame were a chrome molybdenum chromium steel frame then its frame would be worth discussing. I was thoroughly disgusted when I saw the frame of the CRF 300 owl in person. The only reason I purchased this bike was I couldn’t forfeit the deposit I had put down on it! Don’t worry it will be sold it is not up to the standard of Yamaha‘s WR250R! We can only hope next year Yamaha will introduce a WR 350 R and that will settle the discussion of who makes the best light to midweight dualsport well the Honda CRF450L when modified can hold it’s own against the KTM‘s and the Husqvarna‘s of its displacement!
The aluminum frame on the CRF300LSlim is far too small for such an overweight bike to even remotely consider it a dirtbike or even a competent dirt duel sport motorcycle! They are very likely going to wind up breaking since the CRF300L frame IS SO FAR BELOW THE WR250R’S FRAME!!!it I won’t even compare the CRF300L FRAME to the CRF 450 L!!! Last the CRF300L is made in Hondas tier 2 or second rate plant whatever you wanna call it! I realize this is going to get a lot of guys underwear in a not but the bottom line is Honda only builds their very best bikes in Japan and their other bikes, (yes they are built to their specifications), when compared to the Japanese made bikes are simply nothing short of second rate lower quality cheaper motorcycle! This is exactly what the CRF300L is compared to the CRF450L!! I’m sorry I tried to be polite before but your statements are so sweeping in their breadth and scope whilst lacking any real world experience on the bikes you are reading your writing is nothing short of utter rubbish sir. You appear to have a grandiose narcissistic filled view of your knowledge coupled with a void of real facts and evidence.
Your “claimed information” simply must be rebuffed for people who are looking to truly understand these bikes to make a purchase! My 2019 Husqvarna FE 350 has a frame composed of steel, chrome, molybdenum, and chromium. This frame is roughly the size and weight of the aluminum frame on the CRF300LSlim yet we all know the Husqvarna FE 350 has a vastly superior stronger frame! Call please take this video which is so full of falsehoods disinformation and opinionated lack of knowledge off of the Internet before you cause somebody to purchase a bike they will regret! Just so you know I purchase my CRF 300 out to be my street bike which if necessary in a pinch could handle some off-road riding but not much!!!
PS Is this how you buy your cars? You read up on them watch a video then say I don’t need to test drive them I know which car is best without thoroughly investigating it as well as test driving it? If so I suspect you’ve wasted tens upon tens of thousands of dollars in your adult life!!
Apples are not oranges. Mangoes are not strawberries and peaches are not pineapples I just thought you’d like to know this since some of them are tropical fruits and others are temperate fruits. I would hate for you to put out a video telling everyone since their fruit they’re all the same they taste the same they work the same except for the pineapples which is harder to peel so don’t eat it!!!
I apologize if I was a bit salty or came across as arrogant supercilious narcissistic or rude. However as someone who owns both of these bikes +2 others as mentioned I cannot let your disinformation stand it must be refuted it must be rebuffed if necessary next time I will post specific thickness measurements on the frames between the CRF 450 L the CRF 300 L and the Yamaha WR250R. Happy trails- as long as you were not on a CRF 300 out otherwise you risk breaking the frame---as do we all.
Nice book that nobody will read just like me, thank you for letting me know I am not qualified and how you so are and not to be blunt but here I go bluntly.. you are that guy! Don’t want to be rude but you are that guy! Hahaha comments like these make my day thanks
Oh by the way nice channel and great content! I got so much information from your motorcycle channel! I know your a Facebook pro that dabbles and help on TH-cam 😂 your like a superhero thanks
The 2021 450 is called the RL not L. And the 291 pounds is in fact a curb weight. That means full of fuel and fluids and ready to ride. If you are not that serious about hard off road riding, than the 300l would be okay. The maintenance intervals on the 450RL are nothing to worry about. Several guys have already put 20k miles on that engine without so much as a valve adjustment. As far as performance between the two, there is no comparison.
Yeah that was killing me. I have the 450RL and have a 300L coming. I’m riding 90% trails and dirt roads. Convinced I’d like the 300L more for that but I’m beginning to doubt it a little. Guess we’ll see.
@@lukefish7562 update?
Lukefish how do both bikes compare?
Up till 2 days ago I had a 300l and 450rl guess which one I still have.. ya the 450!! The 300 is terrible off road and won’t hold highway speeds ! And it only makes 22 horse power but only 17 to18 of that is usible my opinion is the 450rl beets the 300l in every aspect!!
I’m not an advanced, aggressive rider. I ride the mountain trails of Wyoming. I have a heavily modified 2017 Suzuki DR650, a heavily modified 2020 KTM 690 enduro R, and a 2023 Honda crf450rl that I am currently modifying for my use. My wife rides a 2023 Kawasaki KLX 300 which has a better suspension than the Honda crf300l. I rode it for a few hours and was absolutely bored.
I agree, the 300L really checks all the boxes, it is a cool unit.
Forget about price! Ride them both and if you like one buy one! The 450L is a terrific bike! Oil change in 10 min.... not a problem!
No way! A 20 lb difference in weight with a 1/2 the horses!!! That is HUGE. Both bikes at 80 mph will feel WAY different. I'm going with the 450L
Have fun servicing every few days as I'm out playing on my 300 😏
Just joking, I would LOVE the 450 but as a long distance rider I need longer service intervals.
Totally agree! Riding trails less weight wins every time! Not to mention horsepower! Maintenance is not that bad and from what I experienced last year I would not mind the triad off!
Now... it the weight swing was the other way... I’d go the 300 too!
@@willyd-adv most guys are doing oil changes at 1000 to 1200 miles. Plus, you can change oil in 15 min. Not like it's difficult or anything. Both bikes have their merits and drawbacks, but it's no like you're rebuilding the motor every 1000 miles. I've owned both and like both myself.
@@KREllis-vr1ix sadly even at that millage it's too small for me. I am an exception to the norm though as I ride around 30,000km a year and some of the places I go are 1400km from one town to another like Kazakhstan or Australia. So unless I carry alot of my own oil all the time I need bigger intervals
Brilliant video. Really like your manner !!! Thanks for uploading.
I'm very interested in the 300 Rally - just hope they bring it out in the grey / black option that they had in the 250 Rally. Will keep flogging my XT250 till that happens!
So can I confirm ur participation in THE ride😷 I can't wait super excited been way to long since we've rode brother
Real Deal Facts! Thanx for all the good info Mr690
I watched the full video and respectfully disagree sir. As I've owed the 250L and 450RL, (still own the 450) there is really no comparison. The build quality of the 450 far surpasses the 250/300. It's twice the price because it's twice the bike. The 250/300 is a street bike with knobby tires... Slow, mushy, and heavy. The 450 is a dirt bike that's street legal. Fast, angry, and ready for action. I'm just speaking from my personal experience, but my 450 has brought me far more smiles per mile than my 250 ever did. At the end of the day, it's about choosing the right bike for the job. Ride safe bud.🤙🏻
Agreed. Just can’t justify the sticker price of the CRF450L. So my question is do you think the CRF300L is a worthwhile upgrade over a late model CRF250L running 13/40T sprockets (sweet spot for my riding combo) and tuned suspension?
Good job! I agree the 300L will be a better bike for most of us. The 450RL is a competition level bike and priced like one. The 300L is affordable and will be very reliable
Awesome. I almost bought a 450L but opted for the CRF300L for all these reasons and more.
The CRF450L also does not have a tachometer or a fuel gauge/average mpg indicator which I really like on the CRF300L.
Killer milage on the 300. I don't need a bigger gas tank as I thought I would. Probably would need a bigger tank on the 450 or have to live with a shorter range. I've gone 137 miles on my 300 and still had gas left. I was trying to run it out to see how far I could go but got cold and tired of riding, so I gave up and went home. lol
The 450L does have a fuel used option, which is great since I upgraded the tank. It’s incredibly accurate too. It also does have a average mpg and a live mpg gauge. Not arguing at all just letting you know. I did buy mine with an upgraded tank but only now can I go 150 miles driven conservative
@@joshpemble2837 Thanks. Good to know!
I have also heard that the 300L is very forgiving to stalling, while the 450L often stalls during technical trail riding.
It most definitely is. The first bike i’ve ever owned or ridden and I only stalled a few times when I was first learning. 300L will let you go as slow as you want
I rode my buddies 450L on rocky trails and the suspension being so stiff wore me out 2x faster than my 250L. The 450L is nice for smooth sections and jumps but for slow rocky trail riding I'll take the CRF300L every time.
Have to adjust the suspension and your golden. Love the 450L over my 250L, but the 250L is a killer cruiser and perfect at that. Just not a wheelie bike and that’s what I wanted.
I’m about to hit 1,000 miles on my 450RL and my 300L is one the way. Can’t wait to compare for mainly mountain trails and some dirt roads.
I think y’all need to ride a 450L. Ain’t no replacement for displacement
Joe, you are spot on as always! The 450L is great but I am not thrilled with the 600 mile oil change intervals. Out on the road, it is almost like you would have to plan your trip so that you would have Honda dealerships along the way to change the oil. OBI- WAN is right about the cost also. Anyway, great video with awesome information!
Cheers!
Should probably mention the 450L's top speed is electronically limited at 90 mph. Aka, it rockets up to 90 and then fuel cuts off. Which means its much happier cruising at 75 than the 300 would be.
Yeah but keep in mind that 450L is hard to get and prices are over the roof even for a used one.
SWM RS 500R is a better option if u just wanna go rockety
@@shuttzi9878 Thats true. I got lucky when I bought my 2019. Got it in Jan 2020, right before all the craziness happened. I bet I couldn't easly find one now (new) if I tried. It's nice to know resale will be high for a bit, but honestly the bike is just too good for me to think about letting it go!
You always do a great job. Wish you the best.
Mine has an arrival date for April 28th!!! Going to put a TST fender eliminator on it a full exhaust and new bars and I’ll be well under 300 pounds !! Can’t wait for the bike! Sold my 2019 Crf250l to my dad to rip on with me!
Will the tst fender eliminator fit in the 300?
Man somebody gotta fun ride comin!
Mine did too, still waiting,
I hear a lot of people talk about the short intervals on oil changes with the 450l. 1,000 mile is short but it literally takes 5 minutes to do an oil change.
Can you do the same mods on the 300l as the 450?
Great video 👍🏻 I have a 450L and should hopefully get my new 300L soon !!
Same. Have a 450RL and waiting on my 300L. Enjoy! 🙂
@Johnny Rebellion To tell you the truth I wanted to ride in the woods here in the mountains of NC but did want to be able to ride dirt roads as well so got a 2020 25OL in January but put a deposit down on the 300L the day it was announced. Ended up trading the 250L in for the 450RL because I couldn’t resist the power. My thoughts have been the 300 will be better for woods/single track and if I had to sell one it’d be the 450 but lately I’ve been doubting that a little. Ideally like to keep both and set one up for more highway use and one for the woods. Guess we’ll see if the 300 ever makes it. ✌🏽
Waiting for my 300 rally to arrive in Canada. None available yet but soon I hope
I agree with your video content.
Same haha. They said mid-June in Edmonton.
It was really hard to get offroad tires for the CRF 250L, I don't know if they changed the tire size but the common tire size for dirt bikes is 120/90 and 140/80. CRF 250L used 120/80, anything bigger and you scratched your exhaust (so it wasn't just a matter of police being strict with the tire sizes - anyway, if they are strict in your country, the front tire's dimensions were in inches, those tires are practically non-existent, luckily common 90/90 or 80/100 fit well).
In my opinion, 450 was intended as a true enduro bike, a competitor to EXC-F 500 or WR 450F. 250 was not. In the end, I decided an adventure bike was more than good enough (the only downsides are the price and weight) for dirt roads or wide simple trails while being able to travel far (unlike CRF 250L) and for anything more complicated, a true enduro or XC dirt bike was more appropriate.
Ultimately, I think if anyone wants to know which bike to get, they should first think what do they want from it, those are two different bikes for two different purposes.
300l- ~$6000 OTD price. Must upgrades include handlebars, hand guards, and eventually suspension.
Slightly used 450l with possible upgrades ~$8500.
Now ask if it’s worth $2500 for a race pedigree bike that is more difficult to out grow.
To me it was worth the money. Suspension alone would be $1000 making 300l within $1500 of a used 450l.
My 450l had 80 miles so hardly used.
touché.. but i am impatient and already have to wait 2 more weeks for the 450 i put a deposit on. It's crazy trying to find what you are looking for at the shop
Good vid brother.
Thank you sir!
Great stuff
They have a 1.6 lt oil capacity, so around 2500 miles ( 5000kms in Australian) but of ride dirt and dust I prefer to change every 2000 but that’s just a personal preference
Maybe we actually wait for the real tests and riding results to come out instead of speculating 🛵
I own a 2015 honda crf250l, I weigh about 60kg and I'm 6 foot.. the crf is total capable of doing whatever you want, I've taken it alot of places and some really good uphill rocky terrain and it does it with ease. I wish I waited for the 300l before riding a 250l and I would've been absolutely stoked.. the suspension is okay for road and trails with some roughness to them but that's not what it's made for.. it's a dual sport not an enduro or racing bike, for what it is.. it does an absolutely fantastic job and for the price.
Lol. Another great video. Heard the 1st batch of 300L's are being shipped from California warehouse this Tuesday 3/30. Hope that rumor is true. I'm bug'n.
I'm in california and it's still not available anywhere
Only thing "better" is the price. Obviously the 450 is higher spec/quality and weighs LESS....has more power...nice de-tuned usable power. SO the traditional argument of a 250 being a better trail bike than a 500 DIRTBIKE (as in full spec MX bikes) does NOT hold up here the same way! A full dirt spec 500mx bike putting down 50+ horse power is a total exhausting HANDFUL compared to the 250 DIRT bike...so that is a GOOD argument but one that evaporates in the case of 450RL vs 300L hondas....the 300 is a CHEAPER built (heavier) econo bike....so it is comparing apples and oranges I have to say....BUT if you need fuel economy and cant afford the 10k dollar price of the 450? well the 300 be fine.....less bike but fine....I would also think the 300 may require a tad less maintaince and vibrate less so there is that but as for being better overall?....I vote no way!
btw for a LOT of guys the difference in price is a non issue....It is only an issue for those on a budget, But what I have seen over the years is a LOT of guys spending less initially and THEN dumping copious coin into their new bike TRYING to bring it up to a higher level of performance.....and frankly a bunch of folks would have little trouble spending every dime of the original savings in price....you start adding up aftermarket improvements and it just is not that hard at all....Just attempting to bring the suspension up to par on an econobox japanese bike can cost a bloody fortune and/or turn into a nightmare if one tries to say transplant forks off an MX bike etc....Me? I'd just pop for the 450 to start with...there is a real good reason Honda changed the designation of the 450 for 2021 correcting a real oversight.....now it is actually CRF450RL"....NOT just 450L....Because it IS an R modified to be street legal etc as opposed to the 300L,,,which I assume is NOT based on the 250R ....IF it WERE? My argument would be seriously Full of Sh#t flawed but then again the PRICE could no longer be thousands less either!....the price would be about the difference between a 250 and 450 motocross bikes of same generation....meaning nearly identical for all intents and purposes unless the 450 was unchnged for a few model year and the 250 was revamped every year.....THEN? the 450 would be significantly cheaper as has been the case with various brands over the years..
If the 450 had very low maintenance it would be the perfect bike...Why can't they make the 450 with the 300's maintenance schedules...So far I will take the Suzuki DRZ over the 300. Way more torque and very low maintenance...
I agree if the 450L had say 2K intervals it would be a crazy amazing bike
"AA" - I just put one up - I think you'll get a kick out of. I may have to pull it down quick - depending on "upper level management"..... Don't ask....
@@690ADV And about a $7800 or so MSRP.
I really love my 450L. Oil changes are actually easy. 1.25 quarts and the filters are cheap. I pushed mine up to 800ish miles and I ride hella rough. It's Running better than new.
Wow 800 miles, only thousands short of the 300L lol
@@KentwoodWarrior I think 800 is miles ridden not miles between service intervals
How's other Maintenance like valves and stuff. Really want a crf 450rl but don't want to do valves very 20 hrs and for me 20 hrs comes fast
i wouldn't mind trading up from my XT250 for a crf300L Rally. I always thought the Honda 250 was underpowered, but 300 would be a nice upgrade from my yamaha. Yeah, I don't need a crf450L since my Husky501 technically weights even less than that bike. Would invest to make the 501 a Rally machine, but instead I could put all that money towards a new crf300 rally. Get out and Ride!
I have my heart set on the 450RL despite the cost factor.
For me it's the cost. In Australia the CRF300L is $8360 ride away with 12 months registration. Not to mention Australia doesn't do the CRF450L anymore and a Yamaha WR450F is $16000 ride away. I am slightly concerned that being 185cm and 85ish KG will be too big for the bike but I'll see. Any other tall riders out there riding a CRF300L?
Comparing these two bikes is silly. I think you’re grasping.
So silly, I am glad you figured it out
Talking like he's comparing a dual sport to a turkey club lol. Lot of guys wanting a second bike for a little dirt could consider both. Get the hot one, or decide the 300 is enough and buy some new appliances with the difference. That's where I'm at.
I agree totally, let KTM keep the high end performance market, we need bikes like the 300l, just not to tall, not to expensive, street motors with not much maintenance, not so hopped up they shake and rattle, just very reliable fun motorcycles, so yamaha make a wr350r, so suzuki make a updated drz 400 just like the 300l, 6speed, fuel injection, 35" seat height, kawasaki make a klx450 the same with 35" seat height and yamaha make a tenere 500 twin, sorry I dont need a race bike with 37" tall with a tag for $12000
And does the market really need 1200cc, 150hp, 600lb adventure bikes, thank you yamaha for at least the tenere 700 and thats even big
Value plain & simple is why you are right Joe. Uncork it with a new exhaust, put a tuner on it & the power will make it close enough, and you still keep more money in pocket. No brainer!!!
What's a tuner?
@@Beeswax106 tuners are computer communication devices that changes the program to richen the air/fuel mixture that the onboard computer uses to run your motor. Most all fuel injected bikes today are controlled by a computer that looks back at a predetermined set of parameters for the air/fuel ratio. In order to get past government regulations, most manufacturers set the parameters to a very Lean ratio for exhaust emissions & not best for power.
@@edwinarmstrong9175 Thanks for taking my question seriously.
@@Beeswax106 your welcome. These machines can be fun to improve both power or torque as well as reliability. If you get a tuner be sure to ask the manufacturer for the tune that best meets your needs.
@@Beeswax106 your welcome. These machines can be fun to improve both power or torque as well as reliability. If you get a tuner be sure to ask the manufacturer for the tune that best meets your needs.
I think 🤔 the 300L is definitely a better dual sport for two main reasons you said 1. Oil engine capacity & price . Did you realise their is another option , better than the 300L in my opinion ( in most respects- with the exception of seat height and the proven Honda reliability possibly ? ) I talking about the SWM 500 I think in the states it’s around 7 grand ? it’s got the following
1. Great 👍 price
2. Great 👍 suspension ( Sach )
3. Great 👍 brakes Brembo
4. 6 speed fuel ⛽️ injection
5. Can be fitted with long range safari tank
6. Can be fitted with the SWM Superdual screen and rims giving it a rear Cush drive .
And maintenance?
@@MRJAYWILSON 3000 miles ( 5000kms in Australia) obviously I do around every 2000miles when riding off road in the dust and sand - that’s just my personal preference 👍
Swm sounds good all the reviews are not that great
A little late to this convo but I'll add my thoughts. I have both bikes, the 450L for about a year and half and just recently bought a 2024 300L. These two bikes really should not be considered in the same category as 450L is an aggressive power monster and quite scary sometimes and the 300L is in no way anxiety inducing.
Unless someone is just naturally good at riding motorcycles I would not suggest the 450L for any beginner, it still gives me the heebee jeebees and I've been on it a lot. I change oil about every 800-1200 miles, oil always looks fine. I change filters often. Changing oil is a 10 minute job, trivial in fact. With the mods I've done over time it's quite a bit more powerful then stock, and sometimes that's a big disadvantage for me. Plus it has a super strong sub-frame you can put a lot of weight on if you want to BDR, etc.
The 300L on the other hand is very beginner friendly and I have to say even for me is very fun and comfortable. And the more I ride it the more I look forward to riding it! :D I live in the high desert next to the Cascades and it has performed great in rocky sand and high mountain rugged stuff, albeit much slower then the 450L. Oh yeah, and still completely stock. I just received the Acerbis 3.6 gal tank so that will add even more ride time and I will have to deal with the suspension at some point but now it's fine.
To finish, and aggressive rider, or one who likes aggressive power, will love the 450L. It doesn't like slow, technical single-track, but will demolish anything else. The 300L is perfect for someone who likes more casual riding and wants to get adventurous from time to time. I enjoy just cruising around back roads and exploring trails without fear of getting into trouble! 😄
If these bikes we around the same price which one then? I'm on the fence...a new 300l or a slightly used 2019-2020 450l are going to be fairly close in $$ a new 300l is not going to be 5249, it's going to be around 8k- 8500 out the door. A gently used 450l 2019-2020 less than 1000 miles around 9k.
The subframe being welded on to the mainframe is a difficult hurdle to go over imo
Is it still a subframe if its welded on ?
@@chrishart8548 hmmmm good point
@@jeroenbrink4710 I have a f800gs and a XR250R both have bolt on subframes. It's a must on any off road bike. It's even desirable on a road bike. Seen a royal Enfield 650 written off just because the rear of the frame got bent in a 3mph bump ( rear ended by a car) and I have a cbx550 f2 with a bent rear frame from a car going into the back. ( I have another frame) may cut the bent section off and weld the part of the other frame or maybe even weld fixings on and bolt on.
@@chrishart8548 that was my point exactly
@@chrishart8548After bending the subframe half a dozen times on my CRF250L, I cut it off entirely. Straightened it and then made it a bolt-on unit with a bit of welding and some minor lathe work. I can't fully explain why, but since converting it to a bolt-on item, it has been FAR less susceptible to bending. Perhaps the flex/minor slop provided by the bolted connections helps somewhat?
Would like to know what the max payload is on the 300
I don't know but Will look into it
It's 162 kg for ED version (Europe) and 149 kg for U version (AU, NZ). Each market has different certification procedure.
While I agree with some of the things said, power to weight is important but the 250L is a dog and I won't be giving up my husky fe350 anytime soon because 250lbs wet is a massive difference from 290-320lbs
thanks for the breakdown. interesting. question: at 8 minute mark, why do you say the heavier 300l is the winner vs. the lighter 450l? shouldn't the lighter bike win that category?
Ride both in tighter singletrack and report back which feels heavier and more tiring.
Jo,
I agree. I rode the Illyria Raid in the Balkans 2022 on a CRF450L, 6 countries in 7 days and it was a beast. Most other riders were on KTMs or Betas. Frankly, I would have much preferred to have been on my CRF250L. My 450L was stolen last Oct, and now I have a 300L, with a Hagon rear shock. It’s more comfortable on and off road. If anything it has too much power. Out of the 3 CRFs, I would say the 250L is the best all round bike. If you’ve got one I’d hold onto it. Austin Vince has been riding his for years and it’s never let him down.
David
I just bought the 2022 crf450rl i love it so far
I want one of these two bikes for on road mainly use in my city and idk which one is a good option, can anyone lmk which one is better?!
300l
Uncork it with some suspension mods plus longer service intervals...no brainer! Rally edition for me....
450L better bike i have one it’s great wheelies great a lot higher quality then 300L the suspension on the 300 is horrible the 450 is better in every way id rather have worse service intervals then have a slow bike i’m going to desmog, vortex, and get a yoshi for it so we’ll see how it runs with that
OH! You bought all the TP!
very right observations, especially if the motorcycle is used for displacements, the 300L is absolutely superior //// Great Job Mate!
Well said sir
It is cheaper and offers better "road manners". :)
@5:19 The 450L is probably the better offroad option, regardless what you think dual-sports are.
@6:35 Visibility and ergonomics but weight is more important. :)
@7:18 The CRF-300 L is a frugal commuter bike that gets you almost everywhere the CRF 450L can get you.
You are sorely mistaken on a LOT of your information! Which KTM dual sport has 60 H.p.? Certainly the 500 EXC doesn't. Check out Cycle World's dyno chart. The CRF450L made 38.21 and the 500 EXC-F makes 41! Sorry.The 300L makes under 24 hp. Also, Dirt Bike Magazine in their most recent test said the 450L has the best suspension of any dual sport bike! It'd take several thousand dollars to even get close to the 450L on the 300L. If you look at the frames, there are huge differences. You are buying something for the extra cash with the CRF450L. It is really a bargain. It is for a totally different Rider than the 300L. The 300L is for junior Riders. It struggles on the hwy. The 450 does not! The 300L has very soft and basic suspension. It'll work on the road, but will be dangerous off road, at any speed. Your comparison is biased and false. Sorry Dude, try again!
From what I have seen is that the CRF 300 L is much better off road unless you want to race, For what I will be doing and most will be doing the 300 L hands down off road. Plane and simple the 450 is not good on the slower rides it needs to go fast, faster than most people want to do the gnarly stuff. I would go with the 300L off road and if want a 50/50 bike go with the DR 650 it is also great off road but 60 lbs heaver than the 300 L And for true 50/50 riding you need a 20 liter gas tank on the DR 650 other wise you are always looking for gas. I would think that might also be a problem with the 300 L as a 50/50 bike if you are going to do long rides. But for a straight off road the 300 L as most of the time you will be doing under 200 Km rides.
Interesting you chose the heavier bike as the winner in regards to being easy to pick up. Can’t find the logic in that.
I got a 23 300L. Best bike.
how about the KLX 300 ?
The KLX300 is a bad to the bone bike and maybe next week there might be a video on the KLX300 since I have some awesome info. Thank you so much for watching
300L on a dyno can hit 105mph, just gets unstable af at 80mph on the road
Yeah, i agree. If i was gonna spend the kind of money the 450 costs, I would much rather get a Beta or Husky. The 450L is way too heavy for the price point.
SWM a better deal for me. Waiting to see the Yamaha 300. And the Kawasaki 300 a good option also.
SWM is a way cool bike wish I had a dealer close to DFW
Yamaha Wr300r. Hope it becomes reality!
SWM is a better Enduro Bike and Supermoto conversion but not as the Dual Sport bike
Seriously, the 300 is gutless. Yes the 450 has issues but at least it has power.
Well, how quickly 300L can accelerate from 70 to 90 mph on a freeway comparing to 450? Sometimes it's crucial. The weight difference is minimal and the price... The price is subjective :) My vote is for 450! I ride WR450F and can compare it with my daughter's CRF230. Night and day.
Top speed is not 82mph on the crf300, its more like 70mph max according to other reviews
The 450L is superior in every single way except price and maintenance intervals. That is it, you lost me when you gave weight to the 300L. Is the 300L plenty of bike for the price for most people? Probably. Is it better in most ways than the 450L? Absolutely not.
Sorry I disagree in all ways, stated in the video. Listen and I said the 450L is a better bike pretty much but for 10k buy a Ktm 500exc and that bike hands down will stomp the 450l but as always it’s the rider not the bike
I had a Wr250r and sold it when I got my 450L. The 450L does everything better. I bought mine used for a great deal. As far as maintenance I don't know of anyone doing 8000 mile oil changes on 250Ls . I believe the 450l can be run a good bit longer than 600 miles between oil changes. Some guys are doing 1000 mile changes. The 250 holds .4 quarts more than the 450.
I am not bashing the 250s they are great bikes for the money.
For the difference in price you can buy a suspension and performance mods and still have change left in your pocket.
Fingers crossed but my ship date hasn't changed as far as the dealer knows....April 29th with a May 8th Pickup date - some people in the area have the KLX 300 already but I still think Honda has a better bike.
From what I've gathered while Honda has an inferior suspension, the engine is much better and Gets much more powerfull as u warm it up. The electronics are also better on Honda (There's not much of them but theyre there, the screen is much more visible)
Here are the numbers i gathered
26.3 hp@8,106RPM 27.97 Nm@6,119 RPM for CRF300L on Run 5
(on Run 10 peak power is 29 HP and 28.4 NM)
22.96 hp@8,036 RPM 20,5 Nm@7,731 RPM for KLX300
(Idk what Run is that, its the only result that has been posted, measured by a guy who has KLX250 and KLX351 as well)
I rly dunno how it's possible, dont ask me
Its all probably depends on measuring methods so i will include CBR300R dyno results as well which are
27 HP@8,400 RPM and 25.4 Nm@6,700 RPM
If the numbers are anything to go by, we can assume that CRF engine is much superior to the KLX's
But the power delivery on the CRF is much more linear
KLX is punchier Above 7k RPM but is dumpened by the Euro5 restrictions after that point and there's no MAP to fix that atm (same with KLX250 tho)
So overall CRF is a better value i guess
@@shuttzi9878 I think you're comparing a crf300 with a klx250 you can't make less hp at higher rpm with the same capacity.
@@chrishart8548 What are u talking about?Nearly every bike that has the same capacity engine (300,400,650 etc.) has different kind of power and torque cuz what matters is the engine, not so much the capacity itself. Modern bike engines will always be more powerfull than 15+ yr old ones (excluding 2 strokes but those are nearly not made anymore) even tho they have the same capacity.
KLX300 is basically KLX250 with a bigger bore, the engine is the same which is it's bottleneck.
Crf300L is a completely (nearly) new engine (compared to CRF250L) so its only natural it has more umph
Kawasaki is being overly cheap with the new KLX, its basically rebranded KLX250 with a bigger bore and some adjustments, the ergonomics of the bike are still 15 yrs old.
I wouldn't rly blame them considering the situation around the globe but since other manufacturers are still innovating, it would be cool for kawasaki to do the same but i guess supermoto/dual sport market is still too niche for them to put more money into R&D em
@@shuttzi9878 we will see. I would have thought if you took a bike that made 85hp at 8,000rpm if you got the engine to rev too 9,000rpm it would make more power. I know it will make more torque. And HP = torque × rpm hence 1,000 more rpm more HP. Don't care either way let's just wait till they give us the numbers.. It will all come down to personal choice anyway. Kawasaki or Honda.
20 lbs more for less power?? That’s a lot of weight! 82 max speed?? When there are 80 mph roads?? 👎 The price is diff is huge but ... no thanks.
I am really thinking the 450L is the better purchase but the 300L is got a very good price tag
Two totally different bikes the 450 is a high quality high performance enduro, the 300 is a tame low end trail bike. These two Should not even b compared . Depends entirely on what kind of riding you want. You have to pick the right tool for the job . I sold my wr250r and bought a crf450l , if I would have rode the wr250r like I ride the crf450l it would not have lasted a summer.
I stated that! And they are similar high performance enduro? Mmmm I don’t think so but yes a high Perfomance dual sport.
@@690ADV
You are correct, performance dual sport does describe the 450 better.
$10K for a CRF450L?! Put that coin down on a T7 and never be remorseful again.
The wheel size is the only similarity. T7 must be 100lb heavier
@Johnny Rebellion just get a KTM 500EXC, much easier to find accessories since it's been around for a while
They aren’t in the same class.
I think you're incredibly biased towards the 300L because even though it weighed more you still gave it the thumbs up over the 450
Not biased just think that the 300L is 309lbs and the 450 is 290lbs why could honda not get the bike lighter? the 500exc weighs 256lbs and almost 60hp with the same intervals no bias here just feel honda could have and didn't
@@690ADV you aren't comparing the 450l to the ktm. I mean if you choose to compare the weight to the ktm but everything else to the 300L then what's the point? When the 450L wins a category you brush it aside because KTM does it better. ok. And I plan on getting the 300L cuz it's good enough with long intervals but still you're not very fair to the 450l
@@noyzizi Actually the Honda 450L is much closer to the KTM cost wise than to the 300L.
That fact alone makes it a reason to question the 450L as to its actual competition in price and service intervals the KTM is both lighter and more powerful for very little more of a cash layout.
Not to mention I bet the resale on the KTM will be better both in price and the size of potential buyers as well over the 450L.
This video not only points out how much a better value by far the 300L is over the 450L but just how overpriced the 450L is for what you are getting as compared to the competing offering from KTM.
Basically in a nutshell the 450L is an overpriced, overweight and under powered pig that really has no solid place at its current price and performance point in the current dual sport market market.
@Johnny Rebellion 1: you didn’t watch and obviously didn’t understand what the video is about. 2: your comment is not accurate. 3: you need a hobby or something other than making comments that don’t pertain to what videos are about.
Only 9mph difference loll thats a mile different
Guy hasn't ridden either bike but makes a video saying which one is better.
If a bike with more weight, less power, slower top speed, and worse suspension is your favorite, you should check out the Yamaha TW200. It costs even less than 300L which would make it the clear favorite.
You gave the advantage to the 300l even though it weighs more just because you think it isn't bad? lol makes no sense.
And then gave the crf300l better speed even though it is slower? Video should be 30 seconds long and you saying the bike is cheaper.
@@spartancaptain5691 I sure did! and the video is 11 minutes and if you don't like the video just move on it's that simple.....
@@690ADV Nah I think I will comment instead.
@@spartancaptain5691 I figured you would
Col. G. and others are right. You know very little about these bikes because you don't possess them. This video is 10 mins too long for your speculations.👎👎
Having a channel doesn’t make you qualified to rate motorcycles. I’ve been riding since 1974 and I only talk about bikes I’ve owned or currently own and ride on and off road. So you can have the last laugh ha ha Ha. However the CRF300L is not better than the CRF450L, WR250R, or a Husqvarna FE350! What the CRF300L is CRF250L 2.0 a big fat disappointment!! It’s too heavy and it just doesn’t handle well compared to the above mentioned bikes. As for my book? Well I don’t feel the need to spend my time making a TH-cam channel. Having a TH-cam channel does not make anybody an expert! I was sharing thoughts about the bikes I’ve owned and currently own compared to a motorcycle you were rating which you’ve never seen or ridden. I’m not that guy. I am your age but I’m about 80 pounds lighter than you are. I weigh what I did in college 5 10 @ 155lbs and in my 50’s. I’ve owned every single bike I listed. I’m very very disappointed and unimpressed with Honda except their CRF 450 L. You can poke fun if you want but you’re a middle-aged man like me, who unlike me is obese. I have a CRF300L sitting in my garage right now. I can share with you my impressions and feelings about it but you obviously don’t want to hear them so I’m not going to bother. I’ve ridden my CRF300L and been so underwhelmed by it I’m planning to sell it. Now who’s more qualified to rate it? You accuse me of being a rude jerk after I tried to share my experience- which if you think it’s a book, this tells me your educational level. Plus if this bothers you maybe you shouldn’t have a channel. This is the last time I’m talking to you. You’re not an expert just because you have a channel. Lose some weight and learn to ride. I don’t claim to be an expert either!! However, I don’t talk about or comment on motorcycles which I’ve never seen or ridden as if I’m an expert about said motorcycle. The expert is Graham Jarvis! Goodbye and thanks for the laughs!
well first off thats great you have been riding since 1974 not that means anything, I never said the 300L was better than the 450L. and to be quite honest the 450L is a huge disappointment at 10K it's really overpriced and underpowered among other things. The channel has nothing to do with qualification to talk about a motorcycle and you do not have to own one to know about it! With someone who has supposedly been on 2 wheels for 46 years makes me wonder is it real? Not my place to judge you, I have many resources that pretty much agree with my assessments of motorcycles, I would never listen to a comment from someone who I know nothing about. Last laugh nothing is even funny and your bike comparisons are not even remotely right as the FE350 would smoke all the bike you have listed and better all around but yet not better than many and thats a fact. good day to you sir
If your old and broke the 300l is for you.
It’s still too heavy! Last year out on rocky terrain climbing up hill about killed me manhandling my CRF250L! On that type of terrain less weight is always better! After that I started wanting a KTM or Husky! I will still fall over but much easier to pick up!
Did you even watch the video lol
@@MRJAYWILSON sure did! I’m still considering the 450L even though I think it’s also too heavy! It is however 20 pounds lighter then the 300l! I like my CRF250l that I’ve ridden for about 8 years now and like the upgraded 300l. They are just too heavy for me doing more difficult trails! IMO they are in no way better then the 450l! You may have a different opinion which is fine! I do agree if price is that important then go for the 300L but you will be waiting more somewhere down the road!
Get on better shape
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Lots of bias in this video. He gives a “win” to the 300l in categories where the 450 is much better but the 300l gets the win because it’s close to the 450 lmao
Joe - have to say I agree with you on this one too. Once you brought up the price - I can tell you this kinda comes down to how much you want to spend. If I were in the market for a new bike - and was cool with spending $10,000 - Have to say I'd be leaning towards your bike - just being honest. I'll bet Honda will sell more of the 300's..... (Don't worry - it's coming).....
ALL HAIL "THE MIGHTY SUZUKI DR 650" !!!!!!!! 😬
Cheers !
Yeah for 10K I would take a 690 or 500exc better all the way around and 67+hp vs. 42hp
You lost me at power & suspension.
I get it, but I can get a much better suspension than the 450l and uncork the 300l for much less but I feel it’s not needed. 4750 is a lot of dough
@@690ADV truth be told, I actually have a deposit on the CRF300L. Power and suspension are definitely compromises I wouldn’t make if money weren’t an object ;). Plus, I love changing oil lol
Holy shit you ever gonna get to the point
NOPE! Are you ever gonna stop being a troll GNAT? Probably not
nah
But the suspension is horrible!
Every single bike is better than the CRF 450 L.. as the CRF 450 L does not know what it is