Not to mention he has two stun abilities that when combined with debuff extender gives you two confirmed punches unless they get debuff remover (4.25k soul item)
Sure if you are looking at it in a vaccuum but in a team fight where everyone is going everywhere, spacing becomes a lot harder. Also "keeping distance" is shit advice when there's stamina in this game as well as skill shots where you have to be close to hit for most characters. People who say shit like this don't understand that this game is a 6v6 MOBA and having one character who can run at anyone at any time with as much killing potential as the next guy WHILE being insanley durable is a problem.
@@gagefen5822also if it's even souls or abrams only slightly behind, that healbane won't do anything. he has two lifesteal/regen abilities. you need healbane just to stand a chance, don't even think about 1v1 either
I literally sick of dumb comments down here. "Abrams is not OP, just buy X" "Abrans is not OP because Y" "Abrams is not OP because I pick it and lose every game" Guys, it has 58% winrate at top 10% of the players. These players definitely know better than average commenter what to buy and how to play. This win rate itself show how big OP is this hero. When in 6x6 game a hero has 58% winrate for top 10% he is broken af. What you think and write doesn't matter. Percentage is a fact. OP is a fact.
Late game 870 health left Abrams attacks 1 parry I wombo combo him as Shiv Abrams dies I am full health. I am sorry, but Deadlock tracker websites are unreliable sources of information that don't even get close to accurate due to limited data.
"OMG, THE HECKIN PRO PLAYERS! THE STATISTICS, T-T-THIS PROVES IT, BY MAKING HIM WORSE I WILL IMPROVE THE GAME!" Thank Christ you don't work at Valve. You people are a blight
Personally I think the issue is less Abrams and moreso tankiness in general. Outside of Healbane your only anti-heal options are decay and toxic bullets. These aren't bad by any means, but imo it feels like another 3k anti-heal item would be nice, since atm toxic bullets isn't that easy to slot in Anti-resistance is alao limited to two 1250s and crippling headshot so you don't have too many ways to deal with an Abrams with both armors. I feel like an active that temporarily reduces resistance would help? Might be overpowered though
I think one of the biggest nerfs he definitely needs is a range nerf. I play pocket, why did my shotgun get reduced to 16m fall off and Sbrams is still out here with a 20m fall off?
Holy shit these comments on my vid are already better than my vid do hope you guys don't mind me using these comments in my next video. I love this fucking game and want to make it so the discussion on characters is nuanced and well researched so I apologized for the quality of this video.
People really looking at 58% winrate and thinking it’s craaaazy. Did y’all forget about Mk on release? Or centaur warrunner? People will learn to deal with Abram’s like they learned to deal with 7s ult
Tbh Abrams doesn't need much nerf. The stun nerf from 1s to 0.85s is already enough, all you need is a 1250 item to complete make Abram's melee useless unless he spend 4750 to counter the counter item your built for him. I don't really get why he has such a high win rate among all ranks despite I play him so much.
@@carvode7428 That's kinda not true, Debuff Reducer is extremely helpful against many heroes in this game, the value this item provides is huge when looking at its price, and it also counter's Abram's ult melee combo. It is true that Abram will eventually build Superior Duration but it is always a mid-late game item to build, by then the amount of counter play you can pull of with Debuff Reducer will worth way beyond 1250 souls. I'm glad that you mentioned melee cancel, but as long as you can't connect a true combo makes it so much weaker when you think about hero who can cast mobility spells or sometimes even just dash jump out of your next melee. There are definitely outplays to pull of with melee cancel but it is so much weaker than a true combo, it is practically hitting only one melee within the time of two. I've been playing in mid Ascendant rank with a 70% WR so far. He is a strong hero, I felt like a bully when I play him, and that's why I know where he feels weak. He is easy to counter, yet I'm not getting countered enough at this rank for some reason.
I think most people (especially on lower ranks) dont know how to itemize against a character that's dominating their lobby. Too many times i hear that when, for example, going against a fed haze. Theres literally a few items you can buy against her ult (metal skin, return fire, knock down, or silencer just to name a few) or abrahms with his abilities (debuff reducer, metal skin again, slowing hex which blocks him from using his shoulder charge or reactive barrier in lane phase). Which is ashame because the items are one part which makes deadlock really unique compared to other mobas and it makes me laugh a bit when they trash talk me on all chat when going 0-4 for using abrams when they literally could just ruin my day if they press f or slow hex me.
I think that he is fine, Dude has no range. People just need to pick up on the idea of "anti-heal". Toxic Bullets, infernus, and other DOTS will basically forget him out of an area. You can root him easy too. You can set traps for him with Vindica, Haze, Grey Talon, and just bully the shit out of the blue bastard, lets not forget about Infernus (again), his Ult will stun him out of any of his abilities. I get your points, but I think it is more about people learning the game still.
@carvode7428 you are right, but I personally haven't found his ultimate to be all that good, I use it as "get the f away from 7" or to from the pit to 1/2 way of the base. I find his range to be super limited especially during the laning phase. Also his reload time is PAINFUL
I feel like Anti-heal works to an extent but Abrams is such an Early to Mid-Game beast that he just pounds you regardless. Also yes, I hate the reload time on Abrams but I think it balances his gun really well and it has saved me a couple times in laning with confirming souls.
You're argumentation can be flipped around in the other direction to the players losing to Abrams. There are lots of ways to counter Abrams, but no one itemizes for anything other than dmg and lifesteal in most Ranks, very few players bait his heavy melees into parry, or position on top of creeps he wants to melee get a potential free parries, there's layers to these interactions for sure but very few people even bother learning them. Anti Heal items, or other options such as Debuff Remover, Unstoppable, or Curse as well for a complete shutdown of his kit.
good point actually didn't consider this lol. Should have put more thought into the video and that's my bad for not articulating the possible counters to my points.
You can buy anti heal, but it still doesnt matter that much in lane. He is a lane bully, buying healbane for example wont win you lane vs abrams, debuff reducer wont win you lane. Curse and unstopable are 6200 items that no heroes rush, and if you think that one hero should force you to buy 6200 item just for him instead of going for your heros core item, youre crazy. Does abrams itemize considering enemies? No, he just builds his usual items and doesnt care but everyone else needs to itemize against him? Balanced? I dont think so
The stats seem kind of bizarre. Tracklock shows Abrams at 51% win rate (52.7% in high ELO), where Deadlock Tracker shows him at 56%. That large a discrepancy shouldn't really be possible, at least not by coincidence - there's some major difference between the platforms.
If you read the Tracklock stats it says 2024-8-30 patch. They haven't tracked hero stat data since then, nothing shows up for the recent month. Deadlock Tracker is more accurate.
Right? However over the past days I've seen almost any Mirage in my games ending like 12/3 or something among those lines, seems like they're using him with glass cannon and whatnot and that makes him quite powerful
Making a crutch character is fine. It’s exists to let new players get a foothold without being absolutely destroying by other players who already know the game better. If you don’t want that then there are a lot more characters that should be removed as well like infernus. 90% of his damage is just holding left click and waiting for the enemy to die to burn damage. Bebop is the epitome of crutch characters because I see so many new players pick him and I see people act overconfident both on my team and on the enemy team. Personally I don’t find Abrams OP because he’s only close range damage. I find a character like mirage to be much stronger because he can be built around close range or long damage.
Love this yeah I love the nuances of this game a lot and with all things considered maybe I find abrams broken because he is my main lol. Still think he is busted though, like I feel like I really don't deserve my rank because I main Abrams.
@@dumbvillage9253 the point is that even with anti heal, abrams is extremely oppressive, especially during the laning phase. the charge and ult are what make him a pain to deal with. even with healbane or decay, 1250 soul items, the amount of regen he has outweighs it until the later stages of the game, especially since his resilience ability adds raw health regen and health with level 2 upgrades. toxic bullets is what really hurts him but that's 3k souls. an abrams with little to no items and healing booster help him against an early healbane as well. It still takes 2-3 heroes and more time than it should to kill him until much later. High ELO Abrams can snowball around and disrupt multiple lanes. the video is created by an abrams main pretty much saying yeah, there's items to make him less oppressive, but he's still overtuned currently. he presents similar issues that Shiv did a few weeks ago. people also said "shiv isn't that bad just buy (insert 3 items here)" You shouldn't have to buy counter items for a hero before you even get into the laning phase, but Abrams' innate tankiness is too much currently.
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As an Abrams main, delete the video
lol
as a shiv main, delete the video
Abrams is strong but also THE most counterable hero. Keeping distance, Parrying, Healbabe, all absolutly destroy hus game plan
Not to mention he has two stun abilities that when combined with debuff extender gives you two confirmed punches unless they get debuff remover (4.25k soul item)
@@carvode7428in all fairness, one of them is his ult
Archon gamer detected
Sure if you are looking at it in a vaccuum but in a team fight where everyone is going everywhere, spacing becomes a lot harder. Also "keeping distance" is shit advice when there's stamina in this game as well as skill shots where you have to be close to hit for most characters. People who say shit like this don't understand that this game is a 6v6 MOBA and having one character who can run at anyone at any time with as much killing potential as the next guy WHILE being insanley durable is a problem.
@@gagefen5822also if it's even souls or abrams only slightly behind, that healbane won't do anything. he has two lifesteal/regen abilities. you need healbane just to stand a chance, don't even think about 1v1 either
Nah abrams isnt op he has a good amount of weaknesses and strengths and counters to keep him in check
Comment section: "Nooo don't nerf Abrams he has plenty of counters and weaknesses!"
True Abrams main: "Do it valve, I can take it."
"just parry bro" 🤓 (58% win rate) 🤦♂️
I literally sick of dumb comments down here.
"Abrams is not OP, just buy X"
"Abrans is not OP because Y"
"Abrams is not OP because I pick it and lose every game"
Guys, it has 58% winrate at top 10% of the players. These players definitely know better than average commenter what to buy and how to play. This win rate itself show how big OP is this hero. When in 6x6 game a hero has 58% winrate for top 10% he is broken af. What you think and write doesn't matter. Percentage is a fact. OP is a fact.
Late game
870 health left
Abrams attacks
1 parry
I wombo combo him as Shiv
Abrams dies
I am full health.
I am sorry, but Deadlock tracker websites are unreliable sources of information that don't even get close to accurate due to limited data.
bro literaly retarded 😂
Trickle down game balance
"OMG, THE HECKIN PRO PLAYERS! THE STATISTICS, T-T-THIS PROVES IT, BY MAKING HIM WORSE I WILL IMPROVE THE GAME!"
Thank Christ you don't work at Valve. You people are a blight
@@lyrebird5982 Homie can't win without Abrams, truly a shame
Abrams is going to get the shiv treatment
Trackers haven’t been used since September 4th though
Wrong, check their website
They said that it wouldn't be completely accurate but I think even if it is a little off my point still stands to an extent.
My man's never played/faced Timbersaw from Dota2
Commenting to support. First video I've seen of yours and its well considering the amount of subs you have, ride the deadlock train brotha!
i just want to say i played with a friend who mained abrams last week and he went 0 kills 0 assists 15 deaths lmfao
Personally I think the issue is less Abrams and moreso tankiness in general. Outside of Healbane your only anti-heal options are decay and toxic bullets. These aren't bad by any means, but imo it feels like another 3k anti-heal item would be nice, since atm toxic bullets isn't that easy to slot in
Anti-resistance is alao limited to two 1250s and crippling headshot so you don't have too many ways to deal with an Abrams with both armors. I feel like an active that temporarily reduces resistance would help? Might be overpowered though
great video
I think one of the biggest nerfs he definitely needs is a range nerf. I play pocket, why did my shotgun get reduced to 16m fall off and Sbrams is still out here with a 20m fall off?
Holy shit these comments on my vid are already better than my vid do hope you guys don't mind me using these comments in my next video. I love this fucking game and want to make it so the discussion on characters is nuanced and well researched so I apologized for the quality of this video.
easy fix, just buff everyone else
People really looking at 58% winrate and thinking it’s craaaazy. Did y’all forget about Mk on release? Or centaur warrunner? People will learn to deal with Abram’s like they learned to deal with 7s ult
I think what makes abrams annoying is that i feel like i have to itemize against him even if hes not the best player on the other team.
Tbh Abrams doesn't need much nerf. The stun nerf from 1s to 0.85s is already enough, all you need is a 1250 item to complete make Abram's melee useless unless he spend 4750 to counter the counter item your built for him. I don't really get why he has such a high win rate among all ranks despite I play him so much.
@@carvode7428 That's kinda not true, Debuff Reducer is extremely helpful against many heroes in this game, the value this item provides is huge when looking at its price, and it also counter's Abram's ult melee combo. It is true that Abram will eventually build Superior Duration but it is always a mid-late game item to build, by then the amount of counter play you can pull of with Debuff Reducer will worth way beyond 1250 souls. I'm glad that you mentioned melee cancel, but as long as you can't connect a true combo makes it so much weaker when you think about hero who can cast mobility spells or sometimes even just dash jump out of your next melee. There are definitely outplays to pull of with melee cancel but it is so much weaker than a true combo, it is practically hitting only one melee within the time of two. I've been playing in mid Ascendant rank with a 70% WR so far. He is a strong hero, I felt like a bully when I play him, and that's why I know where he feels weak. He is easy to counter, yet I'm not getting countered enough at this rank for some reason.
I think most people (especially on lower ranks) dont know how to itemize against a character that's dominating their lobby. Too many times i hear that when, for example, going against a fed haze. Theres literally a few items you can buy against her ult (metal skin, return fire, knock down, or silencer just to name a few) or abrahms with his abilities (debuff reducer, metal skin again, slowing hex which blocks him from using his shoulder charge or reactive barrier in lane phase). Which is ashame because the items are one part which makes deadlock really unique compared to other mobas and it makes me laugh a bit when they trash talk me on all chat when going 0-4 for using abrams when they literally could just ruin my day if they press f or slow hex me.
I think that he is fine, Dude has no range. People just need to pick up on the idea of "anti-heal". Toxic Bullets, infernus, and other DOTS will basically forget him out of an area.
You can root him easy too. You can set traps for him with Vindica, Haze, Grey Talon, and just bully the shit out of the blue bastard, lets not forget about Infernus (again), his Ult will stun him out of any of his abilities.
I get your points, but I think it is more about people learning the game still.
you think hes fine because you main him, youre just as braindead as abrams thinking hes not the best/most busted
The problem is Abrams has so much healing that Anti heal almost doesnt matter.
Bro thinks he is smarter than top 10% of the players where Abrams has 58% winrate 🤣
@carvode7428 you are right, but I personally haven't found his ultimate to be all that good, I use it as "get the f away from 7" or to from the pit to 1/2 way of the base.
I find his range to be super limited especially during the laning phase.
Also his reload time is PAINFUL
I feel like Anti-heal works to an extent but Abrams is such an Early to Mid-Game beast that he just pounds you regardless. Also yes, I hate the reload time on Abrams but I think it balances his gun really well and it has saved me a couple times in laning with confirming souls.
I dont think the problem comes from abrams being op its more of people not buying anti-heal items
Sure, top 10% of the players don't know what to buy. But random dude in the comments can teach everyone how to play deadlock
@@Z3rgatul yeah just buy healbane and toxic bullets lmao
he's basically the Garen of the game!
no aim no brain abrams main didnt come from nothing
Mcginis and talon also broken. At least it's possible to win agains abrams if you buy silense + toxic bullets and somesing to slow movespeed
You're argumentation can be flipped around in the other direction to the players losing to Abrams. There are lots of ways to counter Abrams, but no one itemizes for anything other than dmg and lifesteal in most Ranks, very few players bait his heavy melees into parry, or position on top of creeps he wants to melee get a potential free parries, there's layers to these interactions for sure but very few people even bother learning them. Anti Heal items, or other options such as Debuff Remover, Unstoppable, or Curse as well for a complete shutdown of his kit.
good point actually didn't consider this lol. Should have put more thought into the video and that's my bad for not articulating the possible counters to my points.
You can buy anti heal, but it still doesnt matter that much in lane. He is a lane bully, buying healbane for example wont win you lane vs abrams, debuff reducer wont win you lane. Curse and unstopable are 6200 items that no heroes rush, and if you think that one hero should force you to buy 6200 item just for him instead of going for your heros core item, youre crazy. Does abrams itemize considering enemies? No, he just builds his usual items and doesnt care but everyone else needs to itemize against him? Balanced? I dont think so
He is so good that I always counter build him to ruin u guys game
🤗 your welcome
As an Abrams main, thank you.
Where are you getting the win rate stats from?
You can see it by clicking on your profile i think
its on deadlock mmr tracker deadlocktracker.gg/
The stats seem kind of bizarre. Tracklock shows Abrams at 51% win rate (52.7% in high ELO), where Deadlock Tracker shows him at 56%. That large a discrepancy shouldn't really be possible, at least not by coincidence - there's some major difference between the platforms.
If you read the Tracklock stats it says 2024-8-30 patch. They haven't tracked hero stat data since then, nothing shows up for the recent month.
Deadlock Tracker is more accurate.
@@TrilliumShakespeare Ahh, true, dunno how I missed that. Appreciate the sleuthing
Yeah I prefer deadlock tracker over tracklock. (Also cause the UI is nicer in my opinion).
Am I missing something ? How does mirage have such a high win rate. He seems honestly weak.
Right? However over the past days I've seen almost any Mirage in my games ending like 12/3 or something among those lines, seems like they're using him with glass cannon and whatnot and that makes him quite powerful
A dash and a teleport is very strong in a Moba. Can put pressure anywhere it's needed while staying safe.
ye not to mention actually considerable damage potential, especially for the lower skills
As an Abrams main I actually fucking hate mirage's tornado, like his dash also removes debuffs so infernus mains probably have it worse.
Making a crutch character is fine. It’s exists to let new players get a foothold without being absolutely destroying by other players who already know the game better. If you don’t want that then there are a lot more characters that should be removed as well like infernus. 90% of his damage is just holding left click and waiting for the enemy to die to burn damage. Bebop is the epitome of crutch characters because I see so many new players pick him and I see people act overconfident both on my team and on the enemy team. Personally I don’t find Abrams OP because he’s only close range damage. I find a character like mirage to be much stronger because he can be built around close range or long damage.
@ grey talon is one of the best characters in the game and he hard counters abrams
Love this yeah I love the nuances of this game a lot and with all things considered maybe I find abrams broken because he is my main lol. Still think he is busted though, like I feel like I really don't deserve my rank because I main Abrams.
Everyone saying Abrams is easily countered by anti-heal can't be higher than Archon rank.
"You know how to play this game. Clearly, you are a noob."
@@dumbvillage9253 lol
@@dumbvillage9253 the point is that even with anti heal, abrams is extremely oppressive, especially during the laning phase. the charge and ult are what make him a pain to deal with. even with healbane or decay, 1250 soul items, the amount of regen he has outweighs it until the later stages of the game, especially since his resilience ability adds raw health regen and health with level 2 upgrades.
toxic bullets is what really hurts him but that's 3k souls. an abrams with little to no items and healing booster help him against an early healbane as well.
It still takes 2-3 heroes and more time than it should to kill him until much later. High ELO Abrams can snowball around and disrupt multiple lanes.
the video is created by an abrams main pretty much saying yeah, there's items to make him less oppressive, but he's still overtuned currently. he presents similar issues that Shiv did a few weeks ago. people also said "shiv isn't that bad just buy (insert 3 items here)"
You shouldn't have to buy counter items for a hero before you even get into the laning phase, but Abrams' innate tankiness is too much currently.