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I have to disagree on Mo & Krill being tanky as even with his health, he can easily be melted. Plus with the nerf to Scorn healing, he is far more difficult to keep alive while in fights, especially since he relies on getting up close to be effective. Making him an easy target with how big his hit-box is.

i need you to make tutorials pls

I got off the treadmill to like this video

Bebop is kinda like Warden too. 3 buttons and 1 kill most likely, if you build into gun bebop, you will deal ton of dmg. Hook any char +bomb +punch in the air get one kill

They fixed pocket satchel and yamato slash going around walls but Warden’s is still busted? Nicecock

clean

Dota has the same build system fyi

State of game matchmaking is trash rn, no need to play NOW if u want your sanity.

Played this game for like 150h or something and stopped playing after they removed ranked mode

You should just play smite, smite 2 is out but it's not the same yet, it's in alpha and it shows, if you like moba but casual smite is really really strong, I've only just got into it my my 200 hours in the last 2 months says alot. But like also how do you get a key for this I wanna play sooooo bad

Good argument, but, Nest of Thorns.

The hardest thing about fighting warden for me is his move speed otherwise I never really struggle against his kit

400 hours in it and cannot stop playin

not happy with matchmaking rn, im taking a break to see if any changes are made, fucking love this game though

build?

Yeah but McGinnis is for real broken lol

Title: warden is busted. Video: he's not broken but good pick. Fix your shit man

Have been having fun spamming his 2, fleet foot, heroic aura and divine barrier to transform into sonic.

not only does warden potion respect LOS now, but his ult was significantly nerfed. they made the cooldown longer on his ult, and his ult which used to save u from brink of death is kinda useless at that. back then, you could dive guardians/walkers, and you would be full hp no matter how many people were hitting u as long as they were getting ticked by ult. Warden cant dream of doing this nowadays. The healing sucks now. iirc warden ult used to tick thru walls and barriers. not only that, but when warden gets stunned from any type of stun while channeling ult, he will get his ult on cooldown. Used to be so he had unstoppable during channel.

he gets flasks super fast, too. the cooldown can be under 10 seconds no problem. that's just ridiculous. you can't move when you fight this guy.

to be fair you rarely land a hook early game

alchem flask now respects LOS

Who's that handsome Grey Talon player

The fact that people are still sleeping on how good debuff remover is. Shows how heroes like warden can shine with his kit. Debuff remover is a life saver against certain heroes and items.

easy fix, just buff everyone else

I think most people (especially on lower ranks) dont know how to itemize against a character that's dominating their lobby. Too many times i hear that when, for example, going against a fed haze. Theres literally a few items you can buy against her ult (metal skin, return fire, knock down, or silencer just to name a few) or abrahms with his abilities (debuff reducer, metal skin again, slowing hex which blocks him from using his shoulder charge or reactive barrier in lane phase). Which is ashame because the items are one part which makes deadlock really unique compared to other mobas and it makes me laugh a bit when they trash talk me on all chat when going 0-4 for using abrams when they literally could just ruin my day if they press f or slow hex me.

"just parry bro" 🤓 (58% win rate) 🤦‍♂️

i just want to say i played with a friend who mained abrams last week and he went 0 kills 0 assists 15 deaths lmfao

Salty abrams abusers defending their over the top op hero. Be realistic, his winrate fluctuates between 56 and 58% for the last two months. Any moba player knows that those are absurd numbers, especially considering that there are stats for high mmr where he is dominating without a question. How fucking delulu can you be and say he is fine when presented with those stats

People really looking at 58% winrate and thinking it’s craaaazy. Did y’all forget about Mk on release? Or centaur warrunner? People will learn to deal with Abram’s like they learned to deal with 7s ult

I think one of the biggest nerfs he definitely needs is a range nerf. I play pocket, why did my shotgun get reduced to 16m fall off and Sbrams is still out here with a 20m fall off?

he's basically the Garen of the game!

Best counter to abrams is the parry key cause if they get parried twice they leave the game

Abrams is going to get the shiv treatment

Comment section: "Nooo don't nerf Abrams he has plenty of counters and weaknesses!" True Abrams main: "Do it valve, I can take it."

Personally I think the issue is less Abrams and moreso tankiness in general. Outside of Healbane your only anti-heal options are decay and toxic bullets. These aren't bad by any means, but imo it feels like another 3k anti-heal item would be nice, since atm toxic bullets isn't that easy to slot in Anti-resistance is alao limited to two 1250s and crippling headshot so you don't have too many ways to deal with an Abrams with both armors. I feel like an active that temporarily reduces resistance would help? Might be overpowered though

This character is so fucking easy and op. I usually cope and say this about whoever im playing against, and then I play them and get humbled that I was just outskilled and the character is much harder than I thought, but not with this piece of shit. I have been top performer every game asides from like 1 while playing mo n krill without trying doing a fucking meme ult build. I will go back to my main one game and the gap of my impact, effort required, laning difficulties etc etc are just so much in comparison tho mnk it's startling. I genuinely think if you have 100 hours on any character in the game, you would still perform better on average on Mo and krill assuming your mmr is at all accurate to skill in your first 10 mnk games it's fucking ridiculous.

I think what makes abrams annoying is that i feel like i have to itemize against him even if hes not the best player on the other team.

Holy shit these comments on my vid are already better than my vid do hope you guys don't mind me using these comments in my next video. I love this fucking game and want to make it so the discussion on characters is nuanced and well researched so I apologized for the quality of this video.

great video

I dont beleive he needs any major change comes from the factors make him very strong rn are factors that can very easily be affected by general changes to the game and from the fact just only looking at his win rate specfically on the site Dogo Do Goob uses is misleading 1. his character role can fit multiple roles in a team comp but he doesnt excel in any one area, this is a very big advantage in the current game state as theres no way to build a team comp you just have to hope for the best, if we ever got a system that allowed a way to enable a team to build a proper team comp, ex: a hero pic stage, along with more characters that fit the tank role better it would defintally hurt abrams since again, he doesnt excel in any one area, While yes its not that way the current state of the game, its still early development with a lot more other features and character to push out before a full release, so its not unlikely he gets indirectly nerfed from that fact 2. with deadlocktracker.gg you can see win rate for a character depending on how long the match goes on, abrams has a peak at specifically 24 mintues, I believe do to the timings of his power peaks, looking at other lengths is about like 52%. Thats still a high win rate, but that early 56% defintally inflates it, With so many things changing with the game so rapidly that can affect how fast heros can scale or the lengths of games or the how easy it is to snowball. Both of those reasons are why I believe it would be very unnesscary to make any drastic changes, at most stat changes but thats what valve is already doing On another note, the claim that he promotes a very lazy play style isn't fully true i believe, to succeded with any character on the ranked ladder you cant have a lazy playstyle, you still have to put in time on that character and understand why that character works and what hes good at, so going "braindead" with him wont take you too far. Addtionally, I see this as character that the average player base has to get use to, and as the game exists for longer and longer the average player wont be as punishable to abrams and will know how to punish him more and his effectiveness on being a pub stomper will dminish more and more My last note, having a simple crutch character isn't bad if the characters op, theres still a lot of counterplay to him and as a game you need simple characters to get people in the door on most hero shooter games, espically a moba where its easy for a player to be overwhelmed. All in all, im not on the development team, and being a good player doesnt make a good dev, I trust the team at valve as they've shown to be a very competent team on this project and I dont believe theres anything to really worry about when it comes to this character.

My man's never played/faced Timbersaw from Dota2

I literally sick of dumb comments down here. "Abrams is not OP, just buy X" "Abrans is not OP because Y" "Abrams is not OP because I pick it and lose every game" Guys, it has 58% winrate at top 10% of the players. These players definitely know better than average commenter what to buy and how to play. This win rate itself show how big OP is this hero. When in 6x6 game a hero has 58% winrate for top 10% he is broken af. What you think and write doesn't matter. Percentage is a fact. OP is a fact.

Nah abrams isnt op he has a good amount of weaknesses and strengths and counters to keep him in check

Trackers haven’t been used since September 4th though

Everyone saying Abrams is easily countered by anti-heal can't be higher than Archon rank.

Mcginis and talon also broken. At least it's possible to win agains abrams if you buy silense + toxic bullets and somesing to slow movespeed

Making a crutch character is fine. It’s exists to let new players get a foothold without being absolutely destroying by other players who already know the game better. If you don’t want that then there are a lot more characters that should be removed as well like infernus. 90% of his damage is just holding left click and waiting for the enemy to die to burn damage. Bebop is the epitome of crutch characters because I see so many new players pick him and I see people act overconfident both on my team and on the enemy team. Personally I don’t find Abrams OP because he’s only close range damage. I find a character like mirage to be much stronger because he can be built around close range or long damage.

The stats seem kind of bizarre. Tracklock shows Abrams at 51% win rate (52.7% in high ELO), where Deadlock Tracker shows him at 56%. That large a discrepancy shouldn't really be possible, at least not by coincidence - there's some major difference between the platforms.

Abrams is strong but also THE most counterable hero. Keeping distance, Parrying, Healbabe, all absolutly destroy hus game plan