kinda surprised you didn't choose something other than another cz. pretty sure by the time you do all of your add ons it'll be equivalent to your other cz, I'd be somewhat shocked if it isn't. Not sure why you bailed on the voodoo, seemed a lil quick. what I'd really liked to have seen is you do like an Anschutz MPR 64. I'll still watch...send it Josh
He did a poll and the cz was what people wanted to see. I think people like the idea of getting in at a relatively reasonable price and building up over time, instead of dropping 2k on a rimfire up front
I think the wind is the reason for the difference. I wouldn’t have believed a little wind could make so much difference until I started shooting ARA. I can see your backboard moving where as I couldn’t on the previous vid.
@@PursuitofAccuracy sorry...that was for "appalatchained" - the guy a post above this who mentioned ARA and your backboard moving. I think I know him from RFC...and he shoots sometimes at "Big Chiefs" range in KY
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 No, not shooting Tuesday. I had to work, but got rained out and food the opportunity to sight in my new scope for the rig I’m shooting there Saturday for the benefit match. Wind was blowing 18mph today so I got it close to zeroed, lol. I’m back on a bipod too with my new Holeshot rear.
I know you're not going to keep the original stock. So, it would be wasted effort. But as an experiment, it would be interesting so see what difference pillar bedding the original stock would make. As others commented, I was thinking it might be the screw torque. I really look forward to your videos.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I have found that- at least on my PVSR -as long as you keep them nice and tight 30in/lb it makes no difference. If they are loose, accuracy falls off.
You can see that the recoil direction was different in the scope. Eliminate that and the groups will be considerably better. Hold consistency is going to be what makes the difference when shooting a good gun with ammo it likes.
I agree. Josh, put your bipod on there and shoot it. You are your best off a Bipod imo. Also, do you think the stock or short barrel is causing the instability on the action shooting? We know that barrel can shoot. I hope that's the last thing you change.
@@PursuitofAccuracy A couple of things that may work for you is putting some weight at the end of the barrel such as a tuner. Another would be where you place the rifle on the bag. If the bag is right on center of gravity the muzzle will move around easier on the shot. Shooter related stuff would be the trigger finger and hand consistency and no side loading with the hold. The camera setup you have would be useful in comparing different techniques too. Might make a cool video once you give this stuff a whirl and iron it out for yourself.
Could it be action screw torque changed when you pulled the action out? On my 455 Tacticool (similar to the 457 PV), pillar bedding the action, tuning torque, and insuring barrel float made a big difference. I know you’re planning to change the stock out, but that may be the reason for the bigger groups. Maybe?
Ive had bergaras on the channel and really enjoy the b14r. In fact I have 2 videos with the b14r giving it very high praise. Once $$ frees up I will be getting a bergara as well for the channel
I have watched your channel for a long time and I really enjoy your content and advice on 22lr precision shooting. You actually played a huge part in my current selection for nrl22 which is the CZ 457 Varmint MTR with an Arken SH4 scope. This combo just squeaks under the $1200 limit that my club has for scope and rifle in base class. Now I also have an Arken EP5 and a Vortex Strike Eagle but the take me out of base class. While the eye box is tighter on the SH4 and the glass is not as good as the Vortex or especially the EP5, which has the best glass of the three. Would you recommend buying the Tract Toric for the added features even though I would then have to compete in open class?
I would have liked to see the difference between the timney and cz trigger after you adjusted it. I know on my 457 it came very stiff with some creep. I'm sure the timney is still an uprade though.
As its impossible to bye a genuine german Anshutz 64 MPR IN USA ( they sell Savage made), may be it would be interesting to try a CZ 457 AT-ONE. This model show the best results from the shelf
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thank you. But there exist the top of CZ 457 - model LRP - may it won't be nesessary in pursuing accuracy its barrel, stock and trigger to be trown to trash ?
Before you replace the stock with a chassis it would be interesting to see if you could increase the accuracy if you installed aluminum pillars in that Tacticool stock and did a little bedding around the action screws. If you see an improvement after that, how does that compare to a chassis when you get to that point? Would you see a significant difference to justify the price of a chassis?
Honestly i have looked at all of it before. If your starting with a good stock with no flaws you rarely gain accuracy. Going to pillars or a chassis does usually get you some more consistency across poa / poi when weather is changing drastically. The chassis is more for being modular and allowing the end user to set up the rifle to them and their purpose vs gaining accuracy. Which to me is as or more important than accuracy
Hi Josh that's nice weather, i would trade this rain here for a day like that right now. As for accessories - try a T1X as will shoot better than what i am seeing like for like at 50yds and without the upgraded trigger, Accuracy not impressive
Hi Josh, I’ve noticed when you do ammo testing that you sometimes go below your zero, do you have the zero stop engaged or just for competition or not at all?
AS i was watching the camera view when your rifle would pull straight up your shots were more centered however when your rifle aim went up to the right or left you would throw one off.
Mechanical accuracy of the rifle, no. But they do make it easier for us to initiate the shot so in reality a good trigger makes you more accurate and not necessarily the rifle
Lots of movement in the rifle during the firing sequence and during recoil on the bags. The scope cam shows the movement after firing. I don't see this as exaggerated when you shoot using a bipod and rear bag with your heavier rig. I have a stock shorty Savage that behaves like this. Hard to shoot super precisely. At least for me. 😐Edit: I read some other comments after writing this and they seem to agree with what I see.
I have the same rifle and you didn't really need to install a Timmy trigger all the temperature that all you have to do was adjust the trigger for overtravel the weight and a creep and it would have been a great trigger
I have a whole video about the timney and stock trigger. Factory triggers are great, but, the timney is better and the purpose of this build is to build the best rifle we can
@@PursuitofAccuracy I can understand that my brother maybe it's just because I'm poor and I can't afford another trigger hahahahahaha Why I'm hating on you like this but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the rest of the series on the video and what the gun turns out to be I have the same rifle wearing a bsasweet 22 and it shoots about a 1/2 inch at 50 yd. Maybe one of these days I'll get 1 of those scopes that you're always using on your rifles but for now it will have to do until I can afford an upgrade
@@mrblackmamba305 no worries brother. The biggest thing is that your happy with your setup. I ran the stock trigger for a long time and they are really a great factory trigger
It would seem your CZ lost a bit after having the barreled action R&R'd to install the Timney. I know it's going to end up in a chassis, so it's a moot point.
@@PursuitofAccuracy I’m just keeping ya honest. If someone is gonna go after this type of build. Then they should know the cost. Cause I’m e you start down this path. It’s obsessive. Chasing that only to find the flyer missed the mark. I’ve been here already friend. I like your channel. I subscribe to it. And for 80% I agree with u. It’s just unrealistic now for so many. People can’t even afford ammo.
@@BadBoy-tn2yx the 419 rail isnt necessary is why its not priced out, neither is the optic. Every person is going to have different rings, bases, and optics so its not a valid number to benchmark off of.
@@PursuitofAccuracy ehhhh my rifle came with no sights. And I even iron sights for the same rifle you display are well over 100.00. And who in their right mind is not going to put a scope on that? C’mon it is what it is.
@@BadBoy-tn2yx think you missed my point brother. In the series im totalling up costs of upgrades to compare money to performance. In the case of a scope and rings, bases, mounts everyone is going to run something different. The scope and base etc im using have no impact on raw group performance. So if I add in my scope and my base and my rings that doesnt equate to the infenate variables of bases, rings, and mounts other people might use so i omit it from the dollar amount. Its not meant to make anything seem cheaper than it actually is. Anyone shopping for a 457 would know they would need rings or a base and an optic to complete the rifle
@@PursuitofAccuracy I know this is known by you...but the difference between .29 and .42 at 50 yards is like .05 - .1 movement at the muzzle. Also "cant" of the rifle is easier to miss off the bag vs bipod. Assuming scope 1.8 inches above bore and bullet flight time of .13 sec (50 yards) and a cant of 5% (which is alot)... willmove the shot impact .44 inches horizontal from POA at 50
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 yeah its definitely not ideal. Id rather put an arca swiss on it but im thinking someone will want that stock when I was done with the videos
Stay away from CZ. Cheap Eastern European junk and non-existant custom service. My buddy just bought one based on your recommendation / reviews. The bolt handle snapped off within a week and less than 100 rounds. The CZ gold dealer where he bought it is saying tough luck, call CZ. Buy something from a company that cares about it's customers not one that builds junk and doesn't support it's customers.
Thats literally the first time ive heard of a bolt handle breaking on a 457. Ive owned 6 or so and know of literally hundreds of guys with them. Any gun can have a bad example.....calling the whole platform junk because a one off issue is absurd
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Just installed one of those Timney's with the flat-face shoe on my 457, and it's top shelf! The break is so clean and crisp. Got it set to 8oz.
Love this one! Timney triggers so darn nice, factory can be adjusted to be decent but if you try the timney you wouldn't switch back 😉
Hey Josh been sitting here waiting for this , Steve
Haha thanks Steve
kinda surprised you didn't choose something other than another cz. pretty sure by the time you do all of your add ons it'll be equivalent to your other cz, I'd be somewhat shocked if it isn't. Not sure why you bailed on the voodoo, seemed a lil quick. what I'd really liked to have seen is you do like an Anschutz MPR 64. I'll still watch...send it Josh
He did a poll and the cz was what people wanted to see. I think people like the idea of getting in at a relatively reasonable price and building up over time, instead of dropping 2k on a rimfire up front
I think the wind is the reason for the difference. I wouldn’t have believed a little wind could make so much difference until I started shooting ARA. I can see your backboard moving where as I couldn’t on the previous vid.
Yeah wind was worse this time as well
You shooting Chiefs Tuesday?
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 ?
@@PursuitofAccuracy sorry...that was for "appalatchained" - the guy a post above this who mentioned ARA and your backboard moving. I think I know him from RFC...and he shoots sometimes at "Big Chiefs" range in KY
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 No, not shooting Tuesday. I had to work, but got rained out and food the opportunity to sight in my new scope for the rig I’m shooting there Saturday for the benefit match. Wind was blowing 18mph today so I got it close to zeroed, lol. I’m back on a bipod too with my new Holeshot rear.
I know you're not going to keep the original stock. So, it would be wasted effort. But as an experiment, it would be interesting so see what difference pillar bedding the original stock would make. As others commented, I was thinking it might be the screw torque. I really look forward to your videos.
I may grab some ammo and test the action screw torque and see what we get. Have to see what I have enough ammo of to do it with
@@PursuitofAccuracy I have found that- at least on my PVSR -as long as you keep them nice and tight 30in/lb it makes no difference. If they are loose, accuracy falls off.
Keep ‘em coming!
I love to see your grouping. I have one of those CZ`s and would like to get it set up like yours.
This video series is awesome
Thanks a lot
Oh by the way I have watched about all your videos I am 74 years old but can still shoot a bit!!!
You can see that the recoil direction was different in the scope. Eliminate that and the groups will be considerably better. Hold consistency is going to be what makes the difference when shooting a good gun with ammo it likes.
I agree. Josh, put your bipod on there and shoot it. You are your best off a Bipod imo.
Also, do you think the stock or short barrel is causing the instability on the action shooting? We know that barrel can shoot. I hope that's the last thing you change.
I agree. The short stock and light weight rifle make shooting off of that bag a chore. Wind was also pretty poor for shooting.
@@PursuitofAccuracy A couple of things that may work for you is putting some weight at the end of the barrel such as a tuner. Another would be where you place the rifle on the bag. If the bag is right on center of gravity the muzzle will move around easier on the shot. Shooter related stuff would be the trigger finger and hand consistency and no side loading with the hold. The camera setup you have would be useful in comparing different techniques too. Might make a cool video once you give this stuff a whirl and iron it out for yourself.
Love the new sun shade. That would be something I would do. Get done ( thank out side the box)
Lol
Love this series you're doing "mild to wild" can't for the next one. P.S. if you want to get rid of that stock hit me up please🤑
Very informative. Thanks
Thanks David
Could it be action screw torque changed when you pulled the action out?
On my 455 Tacticool (similar to the 457 PV), pillar bedding the action, tuning torque, and insuring barrel float made a big difference. I know you’re planning to change the stock out, but that may be the reason for the bigger groups. Maybe?
It could be. I torqued it back to the same in lbs but weather has been changing day to day as well
By no means an expert but had similar inconsistency issues with my MTR. Screw torque did seems to help
I agree
Great vedio
Perfect first upgrade.....so what's next. Hoping to see a chassis, since I'm wanting to upgrade to chassis myself just not sure which one
Haha, thought it was only us Aussies that used a stubby holder for a sunshade.
Lmao
I have the same cz 457 with the same trigger and I'm not pleased with the accuracy. Thinking about a Bergara.
Ive had bergaras on the channel and really enjoy the b14r. In fact I have 2 videos with the b14r giving it very high praise. Once $$ frees up I will be getting a bergara as well for the channel
I have watched your channel for a long time and I really enjoy your content and advice on 22lr precision shooting. You actually played a huge part in my current selection for nrl22 which is the CZ 457 Varmint MTR with an Arken SH4 scope. This combo just squeaks under the $1200 limit that my club has for scope and rifle in base class. Now I also have an Arken EP5 and a Vortex Strike Eagle but the take me out of base class. While the eye box is tighter on the SH4 and the glass is not as good as the Vortex or especially the EP5, which has the best glass of the three. Would you recommend buying the Tract Toric for the added features even though I would then have to compete in open class?
Thanks for listing the build cost.......
I would have liked to see the difference between the timney and cz trigger after you adjusted it. I know on my 457 it came very stiff with some creep. I'm sure the timney is still an uprade though.
I actually have a video on the channel where i compare the timney to the cz stock and yodave. Its pretty comprehensive
@@PursuitofAccuracy Just checked it out. Thank you for your videos!
Looks much better with the timney, surprised at the ammo difference but with SK an a CZ it isn’t that much of a shock
Day to day you never know whata gonna happen.
As its impossible to bye a genuine german Anshutz 64 MPR IN USA ( they sell Savage made), may be it would be interesting to try a CZ 457 AT-ONE. This model show the best results from the shelf
We have had an at one. They are ok but dont stack up well against the mtr or vpt mtr in our experience
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thank you. But there exist the top of CZ 457 - model LRP - may it won't be nesessary in pursuing accuracy its barrel, stock and trigger to be trown to trash ?
Trying to find the paper targets you are using. Could you post a link? Cheers
Before you replace the stock with a chassis it would be interesting to see if you could increase the accuracy if you installed aluminum pillars in that Tacticool stock and did a little bedding around the action screws. If you see an improvement after that, how does that compare to a chassis when you get to that point? Would you see a significant difference to justify the price of a chassis?
Honestly i have looked at all of it before.
If your starting with a good stock with no flaws you rarely gain accuracy.
Going to pillars or a chassis does usually get you some more consistency across poa / poi when weather is changing drastically.
The chassis is more for being modular and allowing the end user to set up the rifle to them and their purpose vs gaining accuracy. Which to me is as or more important than accuracy
Hi Josh that's nice weather, i would trade this rain here for a day like that right now. As for accessories - try a T1X as will shoot better than what i am seeing like for like at 50yds and without the upgraded trigger, Accuracy not impressive
Im kind of limited on ammo and not every day will be a winner for sure.
It, or me, shot much better initially but it wasnt working out this video.
Hi Josh, I’ve noticed when you do ammo testing that you sometimes go below your zero, do you have the zero stop engaged or just for competition or not at all?
I typically keep my zero stop set to half mil to one mil below the zero.
Maybe changed the bedding and or action screw torque as possible reason for the bench shot groups being larger
I torqued to same value but compression in the wood could have been a thing
Is there any way you could check velocities before and after you switch out the barrel? Are you planning a 20" lilja?
Planning on a 22" lilja and an IBI 12 twist.
I need the wind to die down and find the best ammo for 100 and I will get the MV
AS i was watching the camera view when your rifle would pull straight up your shots were more centered however when your rifle aim went up to the right or left you would throw one off.
As I was watching the video I could see the end of the Barrel moving backward when you pulled the trigger.
Josh , does this rifle have the Match chamber, we are looking for?
The pro varmint comes with a standard barrel
Maybe the precision milled sunshade was touching the barrel 😅
Lmao possibly
What is that on the front of your scope is that a beer can cooler
A longshot camera beer coozie, but yes lol
Hey can you discuss the use of a Bipod
And the different brands?
Yes sir. Im actually waiting on some accutacs i ordered to ship.
Hey 👋 Josh do you think the triggers can change the accuracy? Love from Maryland ❤️❤️
Mechanical accuracy of the rifle, no.
But they do make it easier for us to initiate the shot so in reality a good trigger makes you more accurate and not necessarily the rifle
What is the pull on the timney trigger? Single stage or 2 stage trigger?
Single stage and its set around 12 ounces
is that a beer coozie sunshade? 🤔 genius
It is lmao
Lots of movement in the rifle during the firing sequence and during recoil on the bags. The scope cam shows the movement after firing. I don't see this as exaggerated when you shoot using a bipod and rear bag with your heavier rig. I have a stock shorty Savage that behaves like this. Hard to shoot super precisely. At least for me. 😐Edit: I read some other comments after writing this and they seem to agree with what I see.
Yeah the bags arent ideal. I will get it worked out for the 100 yard testing
Not a bad group Josh..Give your favorite Eley match a try, you may see .35. I noticed you like MIL scopes vs MOA...what's your reason?
Mil is easier to work out in my head on the fly. Its also what the majority of what prs shooters use so its common language
How do you measure your group sizes?
With the ballisticx app
Got the same Rifle can’t decide on a chassis or stock upgrade
What stock would you go with?
Trouble with high magnification scope very hard to hold still of anything but a bench rest
True. I would never be on 30 power if the scope cam wasnt on there. I am usually around 10-12 power for that kind of shooting
I have the same rifle and you didn't really need to install a Timmy trigger all the temperature that all you have to do was adjust the trigger for overtravel the weight and a creep and it would have been a great trigger
I have a whole video about the timney and stock trigger.
Factory triggers are great, but, the timney is better and the purpose of this build is to build the best rifle we can
@@PursuitofAccuracy I can understand that my brother maybe it's just because I'm poor and I can't afford another trigger hahahahahaha Why I'm hating on you like this but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the rest of the series on the video and what the gun turns out to be I have the same rifle wearing a bsasweet 22 and it shoots about a 1/2 inch at 50 yd. Maybe one of these days I'll get 1 of those scopes that you're always using on your rifles but for now it will have to do until I can afford an upgrade
@@mrblackmamba305 no worries brother. The biggest thing is that your happy with your setup.
I ran the stock trigger for a long time and they are really a great factory trigger
It would seem your CZ lost a bit after having the barreled action R&R'd to install the Timney. I know it's going to end up in a chassis, so it's a moot point.
Yeah you are correct sir
Picatinny rail 109.00 from 419. Don’t forget that cost
You could also add in the beer coozie cost for my make shift sunshade but neither are impacting the performance of the rifle
@@PursuitofAccuracy I’m just keeping ya honest. If someone is gonna go after this type of build. Then they should know the cost. Cause I’m e you start down this path. It’s obsessive. Chasing that only to find the flyer missed the mark. I’ve been here already friend. I like your channel. I subscribe to it. And for 80% I agree with u. It’s just unrealistic now for so many. People can’t even afford ammo.
@@BadBoy-tn2yx the 419 rail isnt necessary is why its not priced out, neither is the optic. Every person is going to have different rings, bases, and optics so its not a valid number to benchmark off of.
@@PursuitofAccuracy ehhhh my rifle came with no sights. And I even iron sights for the same rifle you display are well over 100.00. And who in their right mind is not going to put a scope on that? C’mon it is what it is.
@@BadBoy-tn2yx think you missed my point brother.
In the series im totalling up costs of upgrades to compare money to performance.
In the case of a scope and rings, bases, mounts everyone is going to run something different. The scope and base etc im using have no impact on raw group performance.
So if I add in my scope and my base and my rings that doesnt equate to the infenate variables of bases, rings, and mounts other people might use so i omit it from the dollar amount.
Its not meant to make anything seem cheaper than it actually is. Anyone shopping for a 457 would know they would need rings or a base and an optic to complete the rifle
Where are you located?
North Carolina
What is the trigger weight?
The timney is set around 12 ounces
Better put the stock trigger back in
Lol
URAL 5-1 Vostok - вот по настоящему точная винтовка
I'd hate to see how the groups open up if you took that sticker off the stock...
Lmao
I can beat that to death with my 552or my 455 at 50 yrds and I can prove it just let me know where to send the targets.
It is that front bag...not stable
My friend. Do you know of anyone using an ARCA style rail on the aftermarket At One stock for their CZ 457? Your videos are great.
We have an at one with an arca rail
The front bag isnt ideal for sure but I think its just enough
@@PursuitofAccuracy I know this is known by you...but the difference between .29 and .42 at 50 yards is like .05 - .1 movement at the muzzle.
Also "cant" of the rifle is easier to miss off the bag vs bipod. Assuming scope 1.8 inches above bore and bullet flight time of .13 sec (50 yards) and a cant of 5% (which is alot)... willmove the shot impact .44 inches horizontal from POA at 50
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 yeah its definitely not ideal. Id rather put an arca swiss on it but im thinking someone will want that stock when I was done with the videos
CZ - это не про точность..
Stay away from CZ. Cheap Eastern European junk and non-existant custom service. My buddy just bought one based on your recommendation / reviews. The bolt handle snapped off within a week and less than 100 rounds. The CZ gold dealer where he bought it is saying tough luck, call CZ. Buy something from a company that cares about it's customers not one that builds junk and doesn't support it's customers.
Thats literally the first time ive heard of a bolt handle breaking on a 457.
Ive owned 6 or so and know of literally hundreds of guys with them.
Any gun can have a bad example.....calling the whole platform junk because a one off issue is absurd