We NEED To Talk About Sin Kiske
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To be fair, sin didn't only have a model, sin had a fan community mod him into the game, so there was clearly enough push behind it for them to go "okay let's put him in"
Yeah I think it's a bit unfair to say he was a model turn over when he was already the third most popular character in strive or something crazy (when he was only in the dlc story) great video either way of course!
Someone made a THEME SONG!
i mean, arc sys haven't dropped goku yet, just sayin'
@@not_an_emobut can he beat goku?
My favorite thing about Sin is how everyone considers him a twink even though he's built like a truck. I guess when every other guy is an 18 wheeler big rig when you're just a pick up truck, people will pick you by default.
Ky is more of a twink than his son which is wild
Sin is a twunk, he still a bottom though@@superal68
You know what I find hilarious about the food mechanic? Sin needed it in Xrd cause he was in the care of Sol, who didn't even feed him anything besides water, so of course he would starve mid match. As far as we know, Sin was probably under Ky and Dizzy's care in Strive since Sol was travelling with Jack 'O, so for the first time in five years he was most likely getting three meals a day, so he doesn't need to eat it mid match to stay alive, he most likely just eats it cause he enjoys it now. I love how ArcSys incorporates the lore in characters' fighting styles and Sin was always the most hilarious example to me, so thanks for always staying consistent.
He probably snacking on his favorites!
XD
Christ, really dude
Convenient excuse for them watering down and simplifying yet another character
@@AdamSmasherReal maybe, but that way of thinking sucks and makes things boring
@@AdamSmasherReal a character becoming more simple doesn't make them less fun. for example sin is way more fun in this game than in xrd, he was boring in xrd. I wish Baiken still had Azami, but im happy with how she is in strive and they've stated before that they aren't opposed to adding more mechanics as the game ages.
Arc System adding Sin but then they want you to forget his origin game... A FUCKING TOWER DEFENSE WITH SO MUCH POTENTIAL 😭
There’s no overture in (ba sing se)arc sys
I think its less tower defense and more of a MOBA/Real-time Strategy game.
i thought it was a dinasty warriors based game???? WHAT ARE U ON
They actually made Strive Sin a competently "fair and balanced" rushdown character.
How tf did Arcsys manage this in a game full of Gorillas and Sniper Monkeys!??
Got me thinking:
Would having a stamina bar similar to Sin's, but for every character and each character has their own maximums (Sol would have 2 Stamina, Pot be 4 Stamina, or something like that lmao) be fine in future GG? That way not every special is free to use, and certain character archetypes play around their unique strengths with stamina.
@@OatmealCreamPie I think that's how DNF Duel works (never played it, but watched some videos and read it's page on Dustloop, so I might be wrong), but instead of different maximums, each character has a different recovery rate and each move has their own cost. Honestly, sounds like an interesting system.
@@philcoast1031 Correct, DNF Duel's bar is the same for everyone, and all their specials all have their own cost, BUT ALSO the bar increases from 100 to 200 as you go from Full health to 20% (also at 20% you get Awakening which gives you a unique buff and access to your Super, but using the Super takes away your buff)
It's a *really* cool system. I should try to get back into it...
@@philcoast1031 Yeah you perfectly described DNF's mp system
@@OatmealCreamPie restrictive and lame. Yeah, thats a hard NO for me
Weakest Sugar Water enjoyers > Strongest Vampire man
Hey for anyone who was wondering about the Kara super: you do a special move, then do double quarter circle forward, but when you press punch, press dash macro at the same time (TLDR do super and dash at the same time) hope this helps
It's quite easy once you figure it ou. The trick for me was realizing that for most of the moves, you input the super way later than you think you need to. If you do it too fast then nothing comes out. The only one you need to be a little quick is if you try to kara after the follow up from DP, that one is a bit faster. The rest, just casually input the super of choice and plink or press the macro and the attack button at the same time. You can also easily confirm super off of hoof stomp 214s overhead without even needing the follow up. If you practice it in training mode for like 10 minutes you can get the confirm down.
It also works if you input dash just before finishing the motion (like do double qcf dash and then p) or by doing a double qcf then press forward and punch. Personally I prefer the 1st method over plinking the input but that's just me.
You don’t even need to use dash button if you input super fast enough at the right timing and personally I think it’s more consistent if your hit confirms are on point. Same thing works with RTL since during super input you’re already inputting 66 during the super inputs.
Sin was the second most favorite character also in a Japan poll that even had Asuka on top 5. Modded in the game, and had an insane player base presence in Xrd. Even though he wasn’t in the top of lists he clearly had a massive fanbase that was very vocal.
A welcomed member. And I definitely need to find that Japan poll. Asuka for strive!
Oh Asuka is for sure coming and gonna be probably more of a bullshit zoner than Chaos lol
@@haydenfisher1387 Guess who? :)
@@sushiroll3795 Ah yes, with both of Those Men, the community will be fuming in no time.
To complete the bullshit zoners we just need Dizzy.
@@lojika1majik Zoners and midrange monsters, Dizzy and Johnny are inevitable lol.
i think one underated aspect about sins design i thought you were going to talk about more was how they really focused on how hes a fusion of Sol and Ky here, i know its super obvious with Tyrant Rave and RTL but even his gameplay is focused on that how you go all in like sol and while also baiting and waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike like sin.
and also his theme has a little solo that references Noontide (sol vs ky theme) around the 3 minute mark
I haven't picked up on the Noontide reference, but that segment also ends with a combination of Holy Orders (in the left ear) and Awe of She (in the right). That placement is notable, because it might be mirroring Sin's human/gear eyes
does this mean Sin is actually Sol's and Ky's kid
To be fair, they literally added the story mode to showcase the new character WITH the season pass. If Sin didn't come out close to that story that flashed him out would be VERY weird
Although I haven't played much xrd, Sin is my favourite character in that game, and while this new sin feels more aggressive, I really really enjoy him and now have a massive character crisis between maining him again or sticking to strive baiken.
do both
I kinda guessed that it had to be Sin because of his appearance in the GGST Another Story. And as a side note I had my first ever online matches today, both against Sin and I kicked their arses. Never felt this good playing any other fighting game, love this game and I'm so happy to be part of it!
So as an Xrd Sin main i feel like chming in here. Old Sin players are probably enjoying new Sin because he's still doing what Sin did in Xrd, he goes about it differently but the soul of his gameplan is still there. It's about relentless offense while managing a resource (and having little time out sessions when you use too much), it's about ignoring everyone elses neutral because big stick energy. Sin would always 'go in' after poking a bit, he still does that. He was never really a midrange zoner who bunkers down, he could just play rushdown from midscreen.
honestly I'm pretty sure sin made it in the story mode because they were planning to add him to the game either way. Also arcsys where tf is asuka, literally the character I want the most and he shows up so much in story content its criminal.
you deserve so much more love, these videos are some of the only actual content there is for fighting games, instead of highlights of games or god forbid full lenght gameplay.
you added a sonic r song to the video by law i have to like and comment
this man is valid
Thought I was hoping for slayer, I am happy that the kiske with 5 brain cells was added.
I was waiting to start playing strive until Sin was here so I’m glad he finally got in. Besides slayer I feel like he was the second most requested character
Sin def had more than just a model, he was one of the most wanted chars from everything I see. I know just hope for Dizzy
I love this semi-guide format
I can't believe I live in a world where Jack O and Sin are fun to play
People are doubting him but I think once everyone figures out all his confirms he is going to be quite strong. He can get big damage off of many small hits, you just have to know the correct combo route to take. I think it will take time to internalize all these combo routes but I feel like in time he will have some of the best conversions in the game.
As for food, people say use it on a 2k2d knockdown but you can just do beak driver for more damage which IMO is going to be better than whatever the food get's you 9 times out of 10. Sure if you get a big health chunk, that is pretty good but the odds on that are low.
also testament did show up in the story but was in the background not moving
Huh thanks for the info
Sin was my one true want for strive. Now that he’s in, I’m happy with anyone else they add.
what a perfect analysis, this is what earns a sub
I was hoping to have Jam in the game too, you aren't alone.
Pretty good comprehensive summary... personally I really liked being able to charge the old beak driver and throw out bull bashes at full screen to fish for juicy CH damage combos
I've been waiting for my boy to drop, I finally got the game because Sin came to the game I planned to get it earlier but I didn't have the money and when I did I had gone so long without the game I was ok not having it but I couldn't leave Sin unplayade
Yea that was my exact reaction to the character. Din't ask nor cared about Sin but he's surprisingly fun, kinda like Leo which imo became more fun in Strive compared to Xrd.
Also don't worry Gekko we will prolly get Slayer as the last dlc because of the leaks. We allready got Delilah confirmed from the latest trailer which was also leaked so my bets are either the Dandy man or Asuka.
Also I'm stealing "Scum Dipper"
Why was "Can You Feel The Sunshine" the only song that didn't get a title-caption LOL
I got into XrdRev2 at the end of it's lifespan and the two characters I tried to learn were Sin and Jam, so I'm glad we got one of them. Now to wait for Jam
2:15 oh my god, ive never felt so happy while watching a sin edit
welcome to cult of sin mains
Welcome back to form good sir. Beautiful.💛💙💜.
I wish eating was faster so it can b done during most situations I wasn't a Sinner but eatin was his WHOLEgimmick
Ark system works unleashed the fun gorilla
Was that a dunky reference at the end??? 😮
This video has reminded me that Sonic R has such a banging soundtrack god damn
whats the outro song?
I demanded you to scream then, I demand you to scream now Gekko.
most likely they added sin in response to his popular status (that's why baiken was DLC 4 in season 1. She was the number most requested character in 3 out of 4 polls ffs) but they also most likely picked sin first to create a buffer in the recreation of new characters. Theres hints that the next character will be Dallah. Who's never been in a guilty gear game so giving the studio more time to make her move set and animate them in time for a March release. Sin was most likely added to increase the amount of time for new characters to be made, pre existing models or not.
Really if you ask me, I agree. They ain't rushing them and are willing to give more time when needed by giving us a character we want badly.
Its probably why the first 3 season characters were characters who were in Strive's story and then we got baiken and testament. One who was pushed forward due to popular demand so they needed time to make her model and rework her and another who needed even more time to make their new design, model, rework their play style and animate that shit.
I was surprised Baiken was so soon in Season 1 because she generally showed up as later DLC in two games, but hey I’m not complaining
@@haydenfisher1387 she was number 1 in 3 out 4 polls
No way was she not gonna show up ASAP
looks like Gekko just got himself another main
testament actually had a character model in the credits of the story mode!
Nice vid!
Of course we need to talk about him, HE IS OUR BOI!!
(I'm happy because I CALLED IT!!!)
One day we’ll get justice
I'm not huge into GG lore so forgive me if I make mistakes. I think this very well encapsulates Sin growing up, since he's part Gear he never really gets to have a childhood. Sure fighting is mostly what he's done for the few games he's been in, I don't believe he's been trained, at least not as trained as his peers.
In Xrd he had an excellent mid range with lots of ways to combo from a distance, this is what I can assume an underlying carefulness dispite his carefree nature. He doesn't really want to get hurt and gets hungry sometimes so he can't have the enemy attack him while he's snacking. Now in Strive he had some time growing up, Sin is in his dreaded teenager phase where he thinks he knows everything, getting closer to the enemy and not caring whether he's hungry or not, because he can always eat later, he's got someone to beat up first. And of course once you drain him of his energy or his cockiness, he comes to regret those actions horribly.
At least those are my thoughts solely on his gameplay alone, and a few cutscenes about getting Ram to eat a burger and other family shenanigans.
GIO going to be nerf for beating Sin in his own gameplay presentation....
Wher song explanayshun?
When the beak is driven!!!!!!!!!
10:00 Why does this grab fail? It happens to me fairly often and it's so frustrating. If it is the 5f upon wakeup rule, those frames sure feel slooow
1:39 It should be a new meme
3:44 Wallslam Snacc
XD
Next DLC is Deliah confirmed thanks Arcsys
I'm glad to see someone else likes Sonic R music, I fucking love that awful, janky ass game
While I do get the annoyance of character you ask for not being added into the game. I personally think if they are in the story of the game that they should be playable in a fighting game. So really every character that is in the story that isn't playable should be made playable along with the characters that aren't if can get them with the dlc. I mean for me I find it more annoying that they are in the game they have model but they for some reason didn't make them playable despite making them part of the narrative.
Love sin I always liked him in xrd but never considered maining him but I haven't been able to put him down since he dropped he really is a blast so I might just have to untill elphlet arrives that's the only character I want lol.
MaxDood said that he is different but fun so that is about it.
Honestly i know this is old but i love sin. He might be my favourite
I love sin in this game, hes perfect, hes so much fun. Kara supers are super nice and clean hit tyrant rave gives me a hit of dopamine.
👌
So is anybody going to try to get into the street fighter 6 beta?
I love thé sink
We need to talk about sin!
Oh God my grandma dragged me to church again
10:44 what is this stage
I wanted Sin to be in the game since strive was released. I'm just pissed that he's so bad...
Xrd Sin is way more fun and has way more nasty stuff compared to Strive Sin so big L on that take about him being boring. However they actually made him fun in Strive compared to when they usually gut a character or change them completely and for that i am grateful.
So dropping baiken?
Sin is basically the FighterZ DBS Broly of Strive.
Next one is Delilah by the way
I wish I was wrong, I want Dizzy, ABA or Jam
I hope so
Delilah or Asuka. The only two non-returning Strive NPCs. Small chance that it’ll be one after the other.
I'm not doing the fucking laundry and you can't make me.
All I ask is for his food to do me a solid and be better. Its already a commitment I demand food rights for sin 1-800 still growing please?
FF Testament was in the story too
Is that fucking buster wolf AND power dunk?
how can you not like him? he's such a himbo 🤤
hes like 5
I thought sin was gonna be a ditto character of Kiske.....
No bro is his own beast
At least you can play the characters you like I am still waiting for Gabriel
I was searshing for a secondary main for quite some time
and none of the characters felt right for the position
but sin was an instant secondary for me
Who’s your primary?
@@haydenfisher1387 Nago
I hear Dunkey quote.
I like the video.
Simple as that.
Can't believe how much you dissed my xrd main
Sin takes after his father imo, he's the most fair rush down and if you lose it feels like its your fault, just like ky
Sin learned the unga bunga ways of the Bulsara family (I mean, he is one of them) and thanks to that.... we got the most fun character in the game.
AAH-
Any kum lovers in the crowd?
People keep asking for Slayer and Jam, but I'd much rather see Haehyun and Answer.
5:11 Sin… max your Cooking skill!
XD
(look at the new trailer)
(oh no)
The only people who dislike new Sin seem to be peeps that are annoyed that Beak Driver and food lost their sort of... centeredness? They used to be THE TWO SIN MOVES YOU MUST DO with Lcunt supporting them and Leap letting you run offense.
But now, neither of those moves are nearly as important as Gazelle Step and Hoof Stomp. With Lcunt and Beak Driver now letting you... play neutral?
Its interesting but ultimately its Just people malding that they lost their character and that the same dude is now bumpin to a totally different beat.
They grow up so fast
They "made him fun"? He WAS.
He was fun and he is fun, Sin is amazing in both games :)
No wonder I never see anyone eat playin' Sin. That shit's a worse gamble Faust's gamble move.
I know I'm late but SIN KISKE ON TOP RAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! 🗣️SUGAR WATER RAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
I know ill get hanged for this but i wont more zoners in the game. I just really like zoning my friends because they dont, but axl just really doesnt do it for me.
Try testament or HC
I kinda wish that Guilty Gear went down the MK route when it comes to playable characters, if they survived, they're playable
Nago Blanco
I like Sin enough but I won't be returning to the game until there is a character that properly calls to me.... Likely Slayer....
Personally, I think Sin is pretty cool.
I actually enjoy sin quite a bit tbh which is weird I have liked none of the dlc characters play styles.
"theres always next character ig" yeah bro cant wait for delilah 😐😐😐
What is wrong about sin, personally I wanted him
Bedman ._.
The thing that was clearly lost for me from Sin's transition from Xrd to Strive was the connection of his food mechanic with his gameplay.
Xrd Sin lived and died by the food gage, it determined when he could go for mixups, pressure, when he could get away scott free from a setup, how he would play neutral and when he should give up space to refill his meter.
In Strive it really feels like they slapped the food mechanic becouse it was iconic and nothing else, not only that but eating in Strive is completely worthless.
A mechanic going from core to the character to worthless is kind of a really big leap and leaves the ability as incohesive to his gameplay. Why would you splat or knock down the enemy and then eat when you could do the same thing and either break the wall or pressure with your specials?
Besides the randomness on the food effects is a big turnoff becouse not only is eating risky but it has a lot of chances to be extremely worthless and just loose you of an important hit.
I need to stop playing yomi hustle and pick up strive again