That car makes all its power under 4K rpm and redlines at 6400, there’s no point in the manual because of the low torque range. It’s completely flat over 5K. You can do manual mode but it sucks
Mazda would've had to develop an entirely new manual transmission to mate to the AWD system. Not a good business decision to spend money to manufacture a new unit to satisfy 3% of buyers on one model of one car. That's not a profitable option, especially for a small company like Mazda who doesn't have that money to risk. We should be happy we still get the Miata.
This car, IMO, is the perfect balance between a daily driver and a fun weekend car. I have the sedan version and couldn’t be happier with the performance and handling. My only issue is with some of the cosmetic differences between mine vs the hatch (I really wanted a hatchback but couldn’t find one for sale at the time I purchased), but other than that, I love it and would buy it again.
I feel I'm in the same boat as you but still a little different. My camry took a shit 2 months before the turbo 3s were released but I couldn't have my coworker constantly bring me to and from work for those 2 months but the crazy thing is, I was working at a Mazda dealership at the time. So I was gonna get employee discount and my original plan was to hold until turbos were released but my camry died as soon as I got into my work parking lot on a Tuesday, got 250 for it and got non-turbo hatch the Thursday because I had no way to make it the last 2 months
Except they are slow. i love my 2008 manual 3 hatchback. It's a bit old but i love the bodystyle. It has bad body roll and really slow but its ok. Maybe i should chip it just for fun. i plan to get an A3 or hopefully S3 but my motivation is wavering.
I miss the Mazdaspeed 6, if you don't know of it, you should look into it. A 278hp AWD 6 Speed Manual from 2006-2007. What a powerhouse with excellent handling & performance. One of the best sleeper cars of the era. Damn do I miss it.
I managed to get my hands on an 80,000 mile 2 owner one just a few months ago as my own first car! Absolute blast to drive as long as you're willing to handle the problems that come with those engines at their age
@@Frank-zl7rn Had mine from 2009-2021 of last year. Daily drove it to little over 240k. Unfortunately, living up north combating snow & salt amongst all the other elements took its toll in the form of rust. Beyond that, the number one cylinder went and lost compression. With parts so difficult to acquire not to mention the labor cost, it was time to get a new vehicle. Now, I'm driving around in a 2017 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Manual Coupe. I'm not a mechanic or savvy enough to do the job. Still, to this day I miss that car & am consistently searching for another that's been relatively well-kept. But it's like trying to find a needle in some hay.
@@viktorbryce951 ddduuuudddeee that 7th gen accord is not a slow poke either. Sold sub 6 second 0-60 and high 13's in the quarter with the manual V6. I do recommend upgrading the brake lines, fluid, pad material, and rotors to something around 340mm in diameter (13.4 inches?) instead of the stock size. everything else on that motor is amazing and very reliable...except changing out that rear left plug..and maybe the driver-side headlight...stupid bloody design. Having to adjust the rocker arms every 30k km wasn't fun either....
I love my 22 M3 turbo hatch. I installed a JB4 and Burger Stage 1 intake and it is significantly faster . Hp is 300+ and torque around 380ish ,upper power band also greatly improves. 0-60 under 5 seconds and I keep the factory drivability and refined feel. Only paid 32k for the non premium model , a bargain for the price in overall quality drivability and feel. I chose this car because the aesthetics are more inline with a mature adult and not a young racerboy (looking at you Honda).The Bose system is amazing as well. I agree it is not a crazy hot hatch but you can definitely turn up the temp with some tweaking for sure, It is a pleasure to commute every day.
If you don’t mind me asking, are those numbers to the wheel and does the intake void the warranty? I know the JB4 doesn’t but not positive on the intake and I’ve been interested since this Mazda 3 came out but I’m even more intrigued with those numbers
@@balloupe- I remove the JB4 and intake prior to service as I don't want to take any chances. The WHP approx 260 range and WTQ 350 range due to AWD drive train loss. I also use an e30 mix to run a slightly more aggressive map than the standard JB4 map 2.
I feel like Mazda wouldn’t have to do too much to turn this into a Speed 3. Throw in a different turbo, offer a 6 speed manual option, slightly bigger and sportier rear wing, bulged and/or vented hood, flared fenders, redesign the pistons and cylinder bores to up the compression ratio… such a missed opportunity, one can only hope they reconsider
@@roejogan4009 The current mazda 3s are torsion beam. Not to say its bad, I have a 3 and it rides very well, but maybe thats why they didn't do a Mazdaspeed 3 because if they wanted to performance, torsion beam wouldn't be a way to go and they would have to develop a all new suspension set up for it.
What held Mazda back from creating another MS3 isn't the "childish" thing, it's the need for a manual tranny that could reliably handle the 2.5t power, and the negative ROI involved. Everything else is easy, as it was for the MX-5 - Bilstein, Brembo, BBS, Recaro. The rear suspension is a non-issue (see the Fiesta ST for proof). I daily a previous gen M240i, and I would trade it for a new manual MS3 in a heartbeat, torsion beam and all.
Could they just get the tranny from a 3rd party, like one that already has made transmissions for similar hot hatches? Other manufacturers have proven you can make a manageable fwd car with similar hp, albeit slightly lower torque, so they could even make this hypothetical MS3 based on the fwd set-up if that made it easier
I just got my Mazda 3 turbo AWD today, such a fantastic car, i was car shopping and as soon as i saw its stunning look and then drove it, i knew it was the car for me🙂
I had a 2012 MS3 with some tuning putting out about 300hp. I also installed a solid engine mount to avoid torque steer. It did really help with torque steer, but the result was liquifying the front tires. The MS3 was an utterly ridiculous car, and that is why it was my favorite car that I have owned. It was visceral, garage tune-able, looked good, handled great, sounded great, and was reasonable priced. With consumer vehicles trending toward battery power and automatic transmissions, we will probably never see another car like the MS3. Not sure progress is always a good thing......
I agree! But also having been a Mazdaspeed6 owner for over a decade, My Mazda6 Grand Touring Reserve is a better and faster car. Take the power than this lil Mazda3 now has and pair it with AWD and some better tires, drilled slotted Rotors, Corksport intake and axle back exhaust…. It all of a sudden becomes a major sleeper that could easily outperform a stock Speed3. Why? Because it can put the power down!! If you get a chance go drive the new cars. Its really impressive!!
Thanxx for that info, sir. Btw, was the 2012 version of MazdaSpeed3 the last year it was made??? Heard it was also the best version made. Not sure what the difference is between that MazdaSpeed 3 vs 6.
The one thing that holds this car back is the transmission. If they're not going to develop a 6MT for this car, they need a PROPER 8speed or 10 speed wet dual clutch. (like on the Veloster N, which is why that ~270HP car is so quick for what it is)
@@alexanderdanielsson6049 I wouldn't say the transmission is that far behind, but it's definitely behind on the sporty competition. Again, this car isn't meant for performance & they said that.
I got the this car the day it came out the 2021 version. I love it still. I have done some upgrades, like cold air intake , a tune , changed the pipes. the car is a head turner as well , i have the machine gun grey color
Call me old fashioned, but I just don't get the point of making cars faster & faster, but making them more & more refined. I dunno if the experience just doesn't translate well to camera, but not much looked exciting about that car even if it is faster than the old mazdaspeed3. I know that's the point of your video, what COULD have been, but refinement is what's killed and stopped cheap eco cars from still being FUN.
Was just about to get one of these but broke my ankle and am now out of work. Throughout this time of healing and then rebuilding financially I'm still sticking with this car and nothing is going to stop me 😏
i wanted a awd hatch with a traditional 6spd auto that wasn't at Golf R pricing... this fit the bill as it was really the only car that met my requirements. there is a niche.
They might as well have created the next gen Mazdaspeed 3 if they were just trying to make a niche car. Im sure when car manufactures go to make a car they want to sell millions not just thousands. But not many will remember this car, but they will remember the Mazdaspeed 3 or (MPS where I live). It was an awesome car, a very fun daily driver 😢
If they offered the 6 speed MT in an AWD turbo hatch I'd order a brand new one tomorrow. I have a 2017 Grand Touring with 6 speed MT with the 2.5 NA and would love some more power.
I owned a 2009 Mazdaspeed3. Very fun car lots of torque steer. Now I own a 2019 Type R. Very similar to the speed, just a lot more refined. Would've been cool for Mazda to come out with another modern hot hatch this time with AWD. It could be competing with the new Type R, GR Corolla, Golf R, Focus RS, Veloster N and other hot hatches!
Car and Driver tested the new Mazda 3 and got a 5.6 sec 0-60 and I think 13.4 sec through the 1/4 mile. That actually seems about right for the car’s power to weight ratio and being AWD. No, not “fast” by modern standards but, they did also test a bone stock 20’ GLI and got the same numbers in a car that allegedly only has 228 hp and 258 lb ft of torque in a FWD configuration. Then again, VW tends to rate hp at the wheels so it’s probably more like 255-260 hp and 280 torque. Plus it has a dual clutch tranny so that alone is a hefty advantage over the 6 speed auto in the Mazda.
I might have missed you saying it but the G-vectoring (brake assisted turning) is more aggressive in sport mode and it is super noticeable of you corner aggressively.
I have a 23 tpp hatch, at least its not impossible to bring it up to a spiritual successor to the Mazdaspeed 3, you can put stiffer suspension in, Meatier tires, and give it a pretty good boost in power, it's unfortunate to know have a manual but it is a pretty good manual mode, it holds your gears incredibly well and there's plenty of other sports cars that don't have a manual, I've never seen a tuned one get tracked but when people show their 0-60s they can easily get it down to a 4.9 which is crazy because thats type R territory, Really the biggest thing holding it back is the lack of an LSD, maybe in a few years ill try to being it into a custom shop and give it a new transfer case and put an LSD in there but which would be a pain but that's really the hardest part, Its pretty disappointing that they didn't do all this on the base model but I think mazda knew they were laying the groundwork for somebody crazy enough to take the effort to give the the car the tools it needs to really be a force to be reckend with on the track.
Worth noting, Mazda doesn't actually use fake engine noise. That noise you're hearing is coming from the engine bay through a tube they use to convey audio to the cabin. It's a nice non-offensive way of adding more growl to the experience when you put your foot down but that tube can also be removed if it's too much for you. Also, Mazda please for the love of God give this car a manual and more aggressive seats. I own a '22 Turbo Hatch and would forgive everything else I dislike about the car if I just wasn't sliding around so much and could make the transmission actually shift to where I can use that wacky torque band.
The new Mazda 3 Turbo should NOT have been the new Mazdaspeed 3 anyway. Personally, I don't like the design but thats personal preference. I don't like the rear design. But the biggest issue with this car is that they did not build manual transmission. Mazdaspeed requires to be manual transmission and they are all about manual. Therefore, as long as they don't offer manual transmission, the current Mazda 3 Turbo will never be consider as Mazdaspeed 3.
As the original owner of a 2009 (Gen 1) MS3, I don't ever plan to let it go. Conservatively tuned with a CST4 turbo and other mods (330ish hp on 93), upgraded suspension, brakes, and wheels, it's a hoot. It doesn't have all the distractions of today's cars, and I love that about it. I did test drive a 2022 Mazda 3 non turbo in a manual, and if I needed a fairly efficient daily commuter, it would def be on my list. On a side note, I wish Mazda would add some fog/marker lights back in. The front end, to me, looks a little too plain without them.
Had 2 Mazdaspeed 6 and they were they funniest cars to throw around, while still being able to look sleeper and classy. Now I own a Mazdaspeed 3 2nd gen tuned up a lot...this car definitly want me dead...with her smile...it's obvious. lol Mazda doesn't produce fun cars anymore...all of em are going away for good, save the manuals, save the TRD, STI, Mazdaspeed, Nismo, GTI and R's etc...
Funny part is if you do you research the turbo is stock for stock quicker then a speed3. I’m glad it’s not a speed3 at 36 this is exactly what I’m looking for.
Just traded my 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo in for a 2022 WRX. I would have dropped the Mazda earlier but replacing the stock tires with Michelin Pilot Spot 4 AS added 8 months to my ownership experience. I was hoping for a visceral experience but it fell short (Not Mazda's fault because they said it wasn't that kind of car). The Mazda just needs a stiffer suspension, DCT, brakes and better OEM tires. I would gladly pay extra for all of the above but I have a feeling this won't happen until they are neck and neck with Audi/BMW as a brand.
It also need beefier brakes, I have one and if driven aggressively they fade kinda fast, and the enigne is capable of so much more than the 215kmh limited top speed, but then again, it just doesn't have the brakes for a higher top speed.
I have a Fiesta ST that I’ve been thinking about trading in. A few days ago I test drove a Premium Hatchback with the manual… And yes, this car is just begging for a performance variant! It could be so so good, Mazda is really dropping the ball here! The platform is surprisingly good, and the shift feel from manual/clutch was possibly the best of anything I’ve test driven recently. The 2.5 NA engine actually had decent, linear pull through most of the rev range and didn’t feel underpowered at all for what the car is, seemed faster than what the 0-60 indicates. Enough oomph to be fun, and it felt good accelerating out of corners. It isn’t rev-happy and high strung like a proper hot hatch engine, but competent and i assume the engine would have good reliability/durability. But, the handling is what really let me down… I really really had to tone it down on curves and exit ramps compared to what I’m used to, and then the brakes didn’t have nearly the response I’m used to. and the steering felt a little vague compared to other cars I’ve driven recently. TBH, I think My ex-gfs fiesta se handled better… hell, I think my 03 focus hatchback allowed me to carry more speed through the curves on the backroads. The tires obviously sucked, and changing them would surely help. The limits feel pretty low with this rubber, and vague enough that you don’t really want to try and find them. But beyond that I still felt there was a little too much bounce and body roll to feel safe when trying to have fun. It just didn’t feel properly planted for some reason. So really, just putting a sports tuned suspension, performance tires, and some appearance kit on the existing 6-speed manual hatchback would be enough for me. I guess that would put it in a weird price range competitively, but it would be a damn good car.
Never had a MazdaSpeed3, never wanted one. So tired of boys who never grew up past the hot hatch. This car outruns the MazdaSpeed3 stock. I reduced my time in autocross by ten seconds on the first day of running my M3HTPP, carving up everything but 'Vettes and purpose built racers. If you want to improve performance, put your money where your mouth is. I love that I can take this car to the track, run hard, and drive it home in refined comfort.
I have a 21 mazda3 turbo hatch and I don't think it can take on the mazdaspeed3 sadly. Mazda3 2.5T 250hp/320torq MazdaSpeed3 263hp/280torq Hopefully these numbers are right. From the line, yeah mazda3 2.5T is gonna win the pull probably with the torque when it's stock vs stock but that's it. Speed3 has 155 top speed, usually breaks 400hp aftermarket. Mazda3 2.5T is limited at 133 top speed (very few have it past 300hp with CS, JB4) and would get demolished top end because of that. Fortunately 99.9% of the time you won't even need to go that fast in either and this new mazda3 is incredible looking plus it's a fantastic daily/road trip vehicle. I think both are great and if the Mazda3 wasn't limited so much tuning wise, it would be more of a competition. If in the off chance you come by a stock speed3 but you are jb4 and intake equipped on your 3, you could probably gap it for awhile but top end is top end and the speed3 rarely will be owned by people wanting to keep it stock.
I have the CX-30 Turbo, which is built on the same platform and shared the drivetrain and most of the interior, and it is a blast to drive. Sure it is jacked up to give it some ground clearance, but I think the hot CUV is the new hot hatch in terms of where the market has gone. I agree on the manual, tires, and deeper bolstering. Those three things would make for a far sportier experience and aggressive rubber may make up enough of the difference so that an adjustable suspension is unnecessary. Perhaps another way to go would be to add an automated, dual clutch manual with something like 8 speeds. That would improve mileage as well as acceleration and driver involvement (ie fun) and that is something Mazda can easily do. Tires, how about Potenza Sport tires on 19 inch rims, go up and out one size and drop one in sidewall width, so 225/35 R19’s. Also, to give it that zoom zoom look and separate it from the rest of the Mazda 3’s, make the options aero package standard. That would be quite a nice package and fairly upscale. Oh for giggles a story, when I tried out my CX-30 turbo I got behind a Porsche Macan, probably a base model. They hammered it pretty hard on an interstate on ramp and the little CX-30 stayed glued to the Porsches tail. When we got on interstate, I let it go, but for that little bit of niche performance, I got great big grin on my face as I knew I found my car.
The direction Mazda's going is somewhat burning my ass. They took a look at their motorsports heritage and their loyal enthusiast fanbase and said "Go fuck yourselves, we're a LUXURY brand now! :D". I wouldn't be so irate if they made some luxury products and kept their performance ones, but they tried to do a COMPLETE 180. It's frankly very cynical of them-- it's like they think the average person wouldn't remember the mazdas of the past (you know, the ford era). They must be fucking kicking themselves now that hot hatches are booming again-- Veloster N, Civic type R, GTI and Golf R and now the Corolla GR.
I almost bought another Mazda in 2019-20 but decided to get a Subie WRX as Mazda lost its zoom zoom. Was hoping they would make a good MazdaSpeed 3 or 6 back then, but that did not happen.
Agreed on some things Mazda needs to do. And it's been said numerous times in this comment section. They need to get rid of this crap 6 speed Auto and make a competitive 8-10 speed auto/dct and give the enthusiasts an available manual. They need to revisit how they tuned this engine. Give it a better turbo and up the power to over 300hp. It's a 2.5L. The Kia K5GT and Hyundai Sonata N-Line also use a 2.5L turbo and are making 290hp and 311 torque on paper. They are both heavier but are faster than the Mazda 3 Hatch Turbo. They both have the better wet 8 speed transmission and have all the bells and whistles. On top of that a much better warranty. While they are not in the same class they are roughly the same price. And the only downside is that the latter don't have AWD. What besides brand loyalty and willful ignorance to better cars is helping sell this car?
@@ukuskota4106 only the stinger has the 2.5T. The g70 still keeps the same 2.0T. But yes they both have all wheel drive but are totally different classes above the Mazda 3.
@@funnyguy1321 I mean the K5 class is closer to the Stinger calss so if there is a need of AWD this models are suitable. Thanks for reminding about 2.5 engine.
We in Europe, don't have the 2,5L Turbo engine. The two engines we have, are the 2,0L 122hp and 186hp versions, both with an automatic or manual transmission. No AWD for us thought, just FWD.
I think, as Mazda moves to the premium segment, they think the Mazdaspeed/MPS cars are a bit to "childish" for their image. And we also have the issue with a higher strung car beeing aimed at an audience that won't be able to afford it. The Turbo is a North America only model. And in Europe we only get the non turbo 2.0 or the Skyactive-X. A fully loaded Skyactive X AWD is close to 40 000 eurodollarpounds. A MPS version with uprated suspension, that 2.5T (that's not on the European market at all)... Would 50 000 be enough? Mazda is allready paying hefty CO2 fees on their cars. You get an i30 N for 40K. That is a far more tacky car than the 3 though. But still... If they skip the Euro/rest of the world market (save on homoligation costs for the drivetrain) - does it sell enough to justify it's existence on the NA market?
I owned a mazdaspeed 3 (MPS in aus) from 2009 - 2011, then changed to a VW GTI DSG. I waited and hoped that one day we would see a refined and updated mazdaspeed 3 that was fun, sporty and practical. Unfortunately, this isn't it. Mazda's new design philosophy since 2016ish is to be all grown up, and less "zoom zoom" from their 80s-2000s cars. This new varient lacks all of mazda's sportiness, and looks like something my nana would buy. It's really sad to see Mazda stray so far from their sports car day roots, as i've also owned 2 mx5's (NA and ND) and an rx7. Thankfully the Hyundai i30n exists, and I pick mine up in a couple of weeks, best sports hatch value for money right now hands down - can't wait!!!
I never liked this new hatchback design. It looks great from the rear or the front, but from all other angles it looks like a mini SUV which is what I think they were going for. So it would have to be the Sedan for me, but it's missing the ventilated seats.
I would never buy a turbo in a Auto, you just lose all the fun and might as well just buy something cheap on fuel if you want a Auto. I owned a Mazda 3 MPS 2010 Luxuary (which is a mazda 3 speed in the US) and it was one of the best cars I owned. Owned it for 5 years and never had a problem, its just the ks were getting on a bit and wanted something a little newer. I looked around for ages and ended up getting a Focus ST and first thing I noticed was the lack of power in the ST, but I ended up getting it tuned and now its pretty comparable and im pretty happy with it, but still miss my MPS and would have bought the newer MPS If they ever made one. I think its a bit gutless by Mazda not to release a new MPS, even companies like Hyundai have done the N models and Mazda had a perfect opportunity to release a newer and better one since they had a great platform with the mps already and I know so many people who loved the MPS, such a shame.
Car doesn’t need a manual no one buys them anymore. What Mazda should offer is a club sport package like they showed off a few years ago, sportier seats, wheels/tires, and stainless exhaust. A package like this would just help this car feel just sporty enough for enthusiasts looking for a great daily driver
noooo never be a speed 3 , my gf got this car last year upgraded from her 2012 mazda 3 to it..first time driving it i was so bummed out! i was like wtf is this!...so underpowered long story short weak compared to my 1stt gen speed 3.butttt luxury feel on pointttt smooth ride yes, boss system...bangingggg....compare to my speed 3..street fighter, smelling exhaust fumes.loud fun but like to break..mazda is going for luxury and fuel saving ... mazda racing is fading away fast...
If this mazda 3 turbo had a manual, no other change, just a manual. It would be a car guy hit. You can always put sporty: suspension, exhaust, tune, etc.
if put manual, than put central diff. If put it all than put independent rear suspension. And all it won't make enough profit for the company when combustion engine will be banned soon.
I love what Mazda has done with these new generation of turbo charged cars! So much so that I sold my Mazdaspeed6 and got the 2018 Mazda6 Grand Touring Reserve! However… Mazda is way too damn conservative with their tire choices!!! The original tires on these cars are total CRAP! They do not let these cars perform how they should! The Mazda3 Turbo is held back in acceleration, cornering and braking simply because they chose the wrong tires. Just bump up the width a tad, better stiffer sidewall and stickier compound changes everything you noted. I did this with mine and WOW!! Its a totally different car! My first set of tires were stock sized which helped but my second set were 245/45/19 and it really helped in all areas. My car is fwd and heavier than the Mazda3 but its so much better now. The AWD of the Mazda3 would be greatly improved with just a slight tire change. Not to mention how much better mine is now whth just a CorskSport intake added! You would feel it even more in the lighter Mazda3. Add an axle back exhaust, and some drilled/slotted rotors with better pad and you have a car that is significantly better than the older Mazdaspeed3s but much more comfy/sophisticated! Thanks for this review and I look forward to more!
Wow. I was blind during this drive... That's a great comparison vs. the Golf R as well. They could've easily competed if they wanted to. It's clear the demand is there. (for now)
Reviewers need to drop the manual transmission argument. The Mazda Automatics are the best for a regular car (especially in a word where everyone is using garbage CVTs) in todays market. Plus the money not spent on a whole new transmission was better used on more power. I can see Mazda totally ditching the manual in the future for a great DCT when the cost further drops
Some have a passion for the 3rd pedal, others don't. Unfortunately there isn't a conspiracy amongst reviewers to be vocal on the manual argument, just what I care about in this video! I've done a straight review on the Mazda 3 Turbo before, figured I'd get a little more subjective on this one 😎
I have the CX-30 GT Turbo, and I agree with your assessment on the need for adaptive suspension, manual option, steering (is too heavy IMO), stock tires, but another thing it needs is better braking. All of those things would still be welcome on the CX - I'd love a "Hot CUV" Before making my decision I test drove both the Mazda 3 GT Turbo and the CX-30 and ultimately went with the CX because it had the same amount of cargo space that my previous 2011 Mazda3 Sport GS had, and a more comfortable/practical ride height for where I live. I honestly didn't feel like the CX-30 was much slower. The hatch space in the new Mazda3 is ridiculously tiny. I guess they had to sacrifice some of this space for the AWD system, and the change to the rear suspension from independent to torsion-beam. Oh, and both have a significantly smaller fuel tank than previous years Mazda3''s. Previously I had a 60L capacity, and now it's only 48L, which is a bummer as far as range goes, especially with the addition of the Turbo.
@@ukuskota4106 I didn't drive the cx5, but the steering feel was roughly the same to the Mazda 3 GT I drove. It's certainly quite heavy, but it doesn't bother me, it feels commanding.
I asked because reviewerrs say that a CX30 has worse steering wheel feeling than a CX5. But reviewers of a Mazda 3 say it have very good steering. But a CX30 and a Mazda 3 models have the same platform and so steering and suspension parts are lookalike. And a CX5 has different suspension and so on. So I can't understand why there is different words about steering of a CX30 and a mazda 3. Is a 3 really better in steering feel than a CX30 (because of extra ground clearance and so on) or they are the same. Or maybe a 3 is reaaly closer to CX-5 in handling. I can't understand.
I bough the 2021 model and had to get rid of it after 4 months. The dealer was unable to fix the annoying dash rattles, the rear seats would not latch back into place, the air bag light came on twice, the rear view mirror fell out, the leather on the steering wheel was beginning to peel, the a/c didn't blow cold enough....etc. I loved how it looked but the build quality was awful.
@@mahhzdaspeed2879 You should get whichever car you like more. If you want something similar to a Mazdaspeed3 you're going to be picking up a WRX, Golf or Civic Si. Newer Mazdas are great cars but they are not made for enthusiasts
I think ( but am not sure ) that in the UK we can only have the 180bhp version 🤦♂️. We don't get the new Impreza or BRZ either. Or the new GR Corolla 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Vauxhall have stopped their VXR line and Peugeot with the GTi. Luckily Ford still offers ST. VW GTI and R. Hyundai N ( no Veloster though or the sedan you guys also get ). Suzuki still sell the Swift Sport. Toyota the GR86 and GR Yaris. Merc, BMW and Audi all have their options but are expensive. So to Cupra. Not sure on the status of Fiat and Abarth ( think you can still get the hot 500 ). Skoda is up in the air with the Vrs models as well I think. Kia off the ProCeed but it's a shooting brake design now. Renault have stopped the RS ( don't think the Megane is still available ). Too many SUV these days. They aren't all bad but variety is what's needed
@@ukuskota4106 2030 but it will be sooner because car companies have to put things in motion RE the direction of travel. Several have said they won't sell petrol, diesel or hybrid by 2028. Vauxhall being one I think ( but am not sure ). BMW plans to go right to the very end. I would think Toyota with hybrid as well
@@ukuskota4106 They should just allow petrol, diesel, hybrid, hydrogen, electric and whatever else is made available to be sold side by side. Then if you want an electric car fine. But if you want an alternative then that should be fine as well
@@robsmall6466 Yes. Most useful for ordinary people now is plug in hybrid - for commuting use battery, for long distance and cold - use fuel. It will be lighter than fully electric, so more efficient. But big influential billionaires want to sell us the air. They call it CO2 pollution. And car makers obey that fraud. It's revision of what was 100 years ago, when one very rich guy managed to make law which banned his competitor. So this guy sold more of his stuff. And now people of the same guy lobbied laws to sell us air.
I have to admit, this is a really well done video but was EXTREMELY distracted by the mispronounciation of the name. It sounds like mehzda instead of mAHHHzda which is how to correctly pronounce the brand name.
While on a test tune, Cobb decided it would be a good idea to give it all the boost...like all of it...I have no idea how I didn't spun a rod bearing or sent a piston into earth low orbit...but 46psi, I think my EBC is dying or I have a faulty ground, something something not right I know...welp...it took it like a champ for 3 gear pulls lol. It's definitely trying to k*ll me...don't mention it here, I'm sure my car is reading my FB posts when shes on the WIFI...Send Help!!! Does anyone here have a full Bayson R lip kit. Front Lip, Side Skirts, Back exhaust contours and middle bumper lip. If anyone has it, whats your suspension, are you scraping etc...I really could use someone's advice on it please
Facepalm 🤦🏼- but it IS the next gen Mazdaspeed 6️⃣- (Which was AWD!) which means they gave you Even more than the speed 3 And y’all are Sleeping About It
after seeing the new civic type-r, i feel like they could justify a new mazdaspeed3 by bumping up the power a little more (and everything that made the mazdaspeed3 great)
The old Mazdaspeed has always been a juvenile car. Mazda has clearly stated in the past that they aim for the premium segment which also means making cars for grown ups.
My little sister bought one, had it for a year. HATES THAT CAR WITH EVERY FIBRE OF HER BEING! she's a former miata owner (NA & ND). Loved both. Also owned a Mazda 3 with the weird 2.3 and 6speed. not so much love but still enjoyed it. She thought the new Mazda 3 turbo with awd was going to be a GOLF GTI/GOLF R/WRX Type. A call back to the Mazdaspeed 3, which we test-drove when we were younger drivers. She hates this car and will be selling it after this year. To my understanding, this may be the last Mazda she owns. It was that bad.
Jesus what happened lmao. I used to have a 2018 mada 3 and traded it for a GTI for power. Miss the interior and looks of the Mazda though. But power wise I don't even think this turbo 3 is as quick
We don’t like ours either. Many issues like broken heated seat @ 5k low oil light at 12k not to mention all the interior rattles. Actually going to the dealer next week for more issues.
@@jasonwheeler8996 my sister said her car randomly locks the doors and disconnects from her phone. Many weird electrical issues...and that's coming from a guy with a bloody Volkswagen which has had none.
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So strange how many manufacturers don’t like putting AWD and manuals in the same car.
No it's not. Manuals are dead.
@@16BitOG just like 16 bit games?
That car makes all its power under 4K rpm and redlines at 6400, there’s no point in the manual because of the low torque range. It’s completely flat over 5K. You can do manual mode but it sucks
Mazda would've had to develop an entirely new manual transmission to mate to the AWD system. Not a good business decision to spend money to manufacture a new unit to satisfy 3% of buyers on one model of one car. That's not a profitable option, especially for a small company like Mazda who doesn't have that money to risk. We should be happy we still get the Miata.
@@jasonharris996 Good point. It just shows how boring the average buyer is today. At least in North America.
This car, IMO, is the perfect balance between a daily driver and a fun weekend car. I have the sedan version and couldn’t be happier with the performance and handling. My only issue is with some of the cosmetic differences between mine vs the hatch (I really wanted a hatchback but couldn’t find one for sale at the time I purchased), but other than that, I love it and would buy it again.
I feel I'm in the same boat as you but still a little different. My camry took a shit 2 months before the turbo 3s were released but I couldn't have my coworker constantly bring me to and from work for those 2 months but the crazy thing is, I was working at a Mazda dealership at the time. So I was gonna get employee discount and my original plan was to hold until turbos were released but my camry died as soon as I got into my work parking lot on a Tuesday, got 250 for it and got non-turbo hatch the Thursday because I had no way to make it the last 2 months
I'm absolutely in love with my basic run-of-the-mill Mazda 3. Nothing beats a good old 2.0l petrol engine.
Actually a lot do but yeah
Not when we're talking longevity and dependability!!!
@@squirrelnasty there's plenty... Honda civic , Hyundai i30 n-line. Both more fun and cheaper
Except they are slow. i love my 2008 manual 3 hatchback. It's a bit old but i love the bodystyle. It has bad body roll and really slow but its ok. Maybe i should chip it just for fun. i plan to get an A3 or hopefully S3 but my motivation is wavering.
@Fraser the n-line and Civic also offer this? Both a lot quicker and handle better .
I miss the Mazdaspeed 6, if you don't know of it, you should look into it. A 278hp AWD 6 Speed Manual from 2006-2007. What a powerhouse with excellent handling & performance. One of the best sleeper cars of the era. Damn do I miss it.
I managed to get my hands on an 80,000 mile 2 owner one just a few months ago as my own first car! Absolute blast to drive as long as you're willing to handle the problems that come with those engines at their age
@@Frank-zl7rn Had mine from 2009-2021 of last year. Daily drove it to little over 240k. Unfortunately, living up north combating snow & salt amongst all the other elements took its toll in the form of rust. Beyond that, the number one cylinder went and lost compression. With parts so difficult to acquire not to mention the labor cost, it was time to get a new vehicle. Now, I'm driving around in a 2017 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Manual Coupe. I'm not a mechanic or savvy enough to do the job. Still, to this day I miss that car & am consistently searching for another that's been relatively well-kept. But it's like trying to find a needle in some hay.
@@viktorbryce951 ddduuuudddeee that 7th gen accord is not a slow poke either. Sold sub 6 second 0-60 and high 13's in the quarter with the manual V6.
I do recommend upgrading the brake lines, fluid, pad material, and rotors to something around 340mm in diameter (13.4 inches?) instead of the stock size. everything else on that motor is amazing and very reliable...except changing out that rear left plug..and maybe the driver-side headlight...stupid bloody design.
Having to adjust the rocker arms every 30k km wasn't fun either....
Bro the mazdaspeed6 is on another level. The mazdaspeed3 can't touch the speed6
I went to Mazda dealer to test drive new Mazda3 AWD! so i decided to keep fixing my Mazdaspeed6! new cars suck!
I love my 22 M3 turbo hatch. I installed a JB4 and Burger Stage 1 intake and it is significantly faster . Hp is 300+ and torque around 380ish ,upper power band also greatly improves. 0-60 under 5 seconds and I keep the factory drivability and refined feel. Only paid 32k for the non premium model , a bargain for the price in overall quality drivability and feel. I chose this car because the aesthetics are more inline with a mature adult and not a young racerboy (looking at you Honda).The Bose system is amazing as well. I agree it is not a crazy hot hatch but you can definitely turn up the temp with some tweaking for sure, It is a pleasure to commute every day.
Oh that's great to hear 😎 approaching sleeper status. They're great cars. I'd daily one in a heartbeat, especially with that extra bump in torque.
If you don’t mind me asking, are those numbers to the wheel and does the intake void the warranty? I know the JB4 doesn’t but not positive on the intake and I’ve been interested since this Mazda 3 came out but I’m even more intrigued with those numbers
@@balloupe- I remove the JB4 and intake prior to service as I don't want to take any chances. The WHP approx 260 range and WTQ 350 range due to AWD drive train loss. I also use an e30 mix to run a slightly more aggressive map than the standard JB4 map 2.
just installing the stage 1 intake is not going to bump the HP by 40. Do you mean you also installed the JB4 tune along with the intake?
@@TheSenseiAllDay yeah he’s talking about wit the JB4, I think on the website it said without the JB4 it was around 15-20 but 40-50 with the tune
I feel like Mazda wouldn’t have to do too much to turn this into a Speed 3. Throw in a different turbo, offer a 6 speed manual option, slightly bigger and sportier rear wing, bulged and/or vented hood, flared fenders, redesign the pistons and cylinder bores to up the compression ratio… such a missed opportunity, one can only hope they reconsider
And fix that shitty suspension
@@NikA-wr6px the suspension is pretty awesome
@@NikA-wr6px you are the first person in history I've seen complain about this things suspension.
@@NikA-wr6px what’s shit about it? Can go through some pretty tight turns very quickly in mine
@@roejogan4009 The current mazda 3s are torsion beam. Not to say its bad, I have a 3 and it rides very well, but maybe thats why they didn't do a Mazdaspeed 3 because if they wanted to performance, torsion beam wouldn't be a way to go and they would have to develop a all new suspension set up for it.
What held Mazda back from creating another MS3 isn't the "childish" thing, it's the need for a manual tranny that could reliably handle the 2.5t power, and the negative ROI involved. Everything else is easy, as it was for the MX-5 - Bilstein, Brembo, BBS, Recaro. The rear suspension is a non-issue (see the Fiesta ST for proof). I daily a previous gen M240i, and I would trade it for a new manual MS3 in a heartbeat, torsion beam and all.
You’re a menace. The new gen bmws can piss off. The m135i is the worst thing made, new 240 is alright still looks crap
@@Star.Chaser But i get to put those sweet 135i brembo calipers on my e36
new manual should have also center diff
but than rear suspension will look funny because of torsion beam.
Could they just get the tranny from a 3rd party, like one that already has made transmissions for similar hot hatches?
Other manufacturers have proven you can make a manageable fwd car with similar hp, albeit slightly lower torque, so they could even make this hypothetical MS3 based on the fwd set-up if that made it easier
No manual? That is a huge shame. Such a great looking car.
to expensive to create new gearbox.
I just got my Mazda 3 turbo AWD today, such a fantastic car, i was car shopping and as soon as i saw its stunning look and then drove it, i knew it was the car for me🙂
How’s the blind spot area? I keep hearing that it has huge blind spot area.
I had a 2012 MS3 with some tuning putting out about 300hp. I also installed a solid engine mount to avoid torque steer. It did really help with torque steer, but the result was liquifying the front tires. The MS3 was an utterly ridiculous car, and that is why it was my favorite car that I have owned. It was visceral, garage tune-able, looked good, handled great, sounded great, and was reasonable priced. With consumer vehicles trending toward battery power and automatic transmissions, we will probably never see another car like the MS3. Not sure progress is always a good thing......
I agree! But also having been a Mazdaspeed6 owner for over a decade, My Mazda6 Grand Touring Reserve is a better and faster car. Take the power than this lil Mazda3 now has and pair it with AWD and some better tires, drilled slotted Rotors, Corksport intake and axle back exhaust…. It all of a sudden becomes a major sleeper that could easily outperform a stock Speed3. Why? Because it can put the power down!! If you get a chance go drive the new cars. Its really impressive!!
Thanxx for that info, sir. Btw, was the 2012 version of MazdaSpeed3 the last year it was made??? Heard it was also the best version made. Not sure what the difference is between that MazdaSpeed 3 vs 6.
@@fredcollins8919 the mazdadpeed6 is the sedan version, comes with AWD.
what about electrical mazda3 in the future?
The one thing that holds this car back is the transmission. If they're not going to develop a 6MT for this car, they need a PROPER 8speed or 10 speed wet dual clutch. (like on the Veloster N, which is why that ~270HP car is so quick for what it is)
yep the transmission is just that far behind it ruins the car
@@alexanderdanielsson6049 I wouldn't say the transmission is that far behind, but it's definitely behind on the sporty competition. Again, this car isn't meant for performance & they said that.
At least it's not a CVT like Subaru's dumb ass uses in the WRX auto.
I got the this car the day it came out the 2021 version. I love it still. I have done some upgrades, like cold air intake , a tune , changed the pipes. the car is a head turner as well , i have the machine gun grey color
wait till corksport gets its hands on this platform.i think there is plenty power to unlock
Call me old fashioned, but I just don't get the point of making cars faster & faster, but making them more & more refined. I dunno if the experience just doesn't translate well to camera, but not much looked exciting about that car even if it is faster than the old mazdaspeed3. I know that's the point of your video, what COULD have been, but refinement is what's killed and stopped cheap eco cars from still being FUN.
It's as if the added speed is increasing just to try and keep up with the refinement/numbness of the real road beneath you.
What do you mean with the word "refined"
Was just about to get one of these but broke my ankle and am now out of work. Throughout this time of healing and then rebuilding financially I'm still sticking with this car and nothing is going to stop me 😏
Best of luck. Hope it heals quickly. These cars are class.
A nice trick with e-brake Mazdas is to enable auto hold prior to launch. Although it’s not a true launch control, it’s about 0.3 seconds quicker
i wanted a awd hatch with a traditional 6spd auto that wasn't at Golf R pricing... this fit the bill as it was really the only car that met my requirements. there is a niche.
They might as well have created the next gen Mazdaspeed 3 if they were just trying to make a niche car. Im sure when car manufactures go to make a car they want to sell millions not just thousands. But not many will remember this car, but they will remember the Mazdaspeed 3 or (MPS where I live). It was an awesome car, a very fun daily driver 😢
@@johnmiceter im happy with it
If they offered the 6 speed MT in an AWD turbo hatch I'd order a brand new one tomorrow. I have a 2017 Grand Touring with 6 speed MT with the 2.5 NA and would love some more power.
I personally believe that if we keep asking they’ll provide. Mazda so far has seemed pretty good with that.
I owned a 2009 Mazdaspeed3. Very fun car lots of torque steer. Now I own a 2019 Type R. Very similar to the speed, just a lot more refined. Would've been cool for Mazda to come out with another modern hot hatch this time with AWD. It could be competing with the new Type R, GR Corolla, Golf R, Focus RS, Veloster N and other hot hatches!
It's really not fast for its hp and torque numbers. That ancient 6 speed transmission really lets it down.
Car and Driver tested the new Mazda 3 and got a 5.6 sec 0-60 and I think 13.4 sec through the 1/4 mile. That actually seems about right for the car’s power to weight ratio and being AWD. No, not “fast” by modern standards but, they did also test a bone stock 20’ GLI and got the same numbers in a car that allegedly only has 228 hp and 258 lb ft of torque in a FWD configuration. Then again, VW tends to rate hp at the wheels so it’s probably more like 255-260 hp and 280 torque. Plus it has a dual clutch tranny so that alone is a hefty advantage over the 6 speed auto in the Mazda.
But long term reliability and cost of maintenance on that 6 speed is definitely a bonus!
I might have missed you saying it but the G-vectoring (brake assisted turning) is more aggressive in sport mode and it is super noticeable of you corner aggressively.
Yes! In my original 2019 review I go in-depth a bit more. It feels great, one of the best brake-vectoring systems I've felt.
I have a 23 tpp hatch, at least its not impossible to bring it up to a spiritual successor to the Mazdaspeed 3, you can put stiffer suspension in, Meatier tires, and give it a pretty good boost in power, it's unfortunate to know have a manual but it is a pretty good manual mode, it holds your gears incredibly well and there's plenty of other sports cars that don't have a manual, I've never seen a tuned one get tracked but when people show their 0-60s they can easily get it down to a 4.9 which is crazy because thats type R territory, Really the biggest thing holding it back is the lack of an LSD, maybe in a few years ill try to being it into a custom shop and give it a new transfer case and put an LSD in there but which would be a pain but that's really the hardest part, Its pretty disappointing that they didn't do all this on the base model but I think mazda knew they were laying the groundwork for somebody crazy enough to take the effort to give the the car the tools it needs to really be a force to be reckend with on the track.
Worth noting, Mazda doesn't actually use fake engine noise. That noise you're hearing is coming from the engine bay through a tube they use to convey audio to the cabin. It's a nice non-offensive way of adding more growl to the experience when you put your foot down but that tube can also be removed if it's too much for you.
Also, Mazda please for the love of God give this car a manual and more aggressive seats. I own a '22 Turbo Hatch and would forgive everything else I dislike about the car if I just wasn't sliding around so much and could make the transmission actually shift to where I can use that wacky torque band.
The new Mazda 3 Turbo should NOT have been the new Mazdaspeed 3 anyway. Personally, I don't like the design but thats personal preference. I don't like the rear design. But the biggest issue with this car is that they did not build manual transmission. Mazdaspeed requires to be manual transmission and they are all about manual. Therefore, as long as they don't offer manual transmission, the current Mazda 3 Turbo will never be consider as Mazdaspeed 3.
Come on now,, I agree it should been the next Mazdaspeed3
As the original owner of a 2009 (Gen 1) MS3, I don't ever plan to let it go. Conservatively tuned with a CST4 turbo and other mods (330ish hp on 93), upgraded suspension, brakes, and wheels, it's a hoot. It doesn't have all the distractions of today's cars, and I love that about it. I did test drive a 2022 Mazda 3 non turbo in a manual, and if I needed a fairly efficient daily commuter, it would def be on my list.
On a side note, I wish Mazda would add some fog/marker lights back in. The front end, to me, looks a little too plain without them.
Had 2 Mazdaspeed 6 and they were they funniest cars to throw around, while still being able to look sleeper and classy. Now I own a Mazdaspeed 3 2nd gen tuned up a lot...this car definitly want me dead...with her smile...it's obvious. lol Mazda doesn't produce fun cars anymore...all of em are going away for good, save the manuals, save the TRD, STI, Mazdaspeed, Nismo, GTI and R's etc...
Funny part is if you do you research the turbo is stock for stock quicker then a speed3. I’m glad it’s not a speed3 at 36 this is exactly what I’m looking for.
Just traded my 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo in for a 2022 WRX. I would have dropped the Mazda earlier but replacing the stock tires with Michelin Pilot Spot 4 AS added 8 months to my ownership experience. I was hoping for a visceral experience but it fell short (Not Mazda's fault because they said it wasn't that kind of car). The Mazda just needs a stiffer suspension, DCT, brakes and better OEM tires. I would gladly pay extra for all of the above but I have a feeling this won't happen until they are neck and neck with Audi/BMW as a brand.
Tf? My 2.0 came with Expensive ass pirelli tyres, they all should.
Mazda's design language is top notch
This is sick they should have I'd buy one no doubt. I big turbo'd my Speed3 2008.5 GT Gen 1 and I'm super happy! Corksport FTW! :)
It also need beefier brakes, I have one and if driven aggressively they fade kinda fast, and the enigne is capable of so much more than the 215kmh limited top speed, but then again, it just doesn't have the brakes for a higher top speed.
Glad to see they fixed the too-low front spoiler. My 2021 MZ3T drags on even gentle driveways.
may be it's different spec?
their turbo premium plus lools awesome with that air dam under front bumper.
I have a Fiesta ST that I’ve been thinking about trading in. A few days ago I test drove a Premium Hatchback with the manual…
And yes, this car is just begging for a performance variant! It could be so so good, Mazda is really dropping the ball here!
The platform is surprisingly good, and the shift feel from manual/clutch was possibly the best of anything I’ve test driven recently. The 2.5 NA engine actually had decent, linear pull through most of the rev range and didn’t feel underpowered at all for what the car is, seemed faster than what the 0-60 indicates. Enough oomph to be fun, and it felt good accelerating out of corners. It isn’t rev-happy and high strung like a proper hot hatch engine, but competent and i assume the engine would have good reliability/durability.
But, the handling is what really let me down… I really really had to tone it down on curves and exit ramps compared to what I’m used to, and then the brakes didn’t have nearly the response I’m used to. and the steering felt a little vague compared to other cars I’ve driven recently.
TBH, I think My ex-gfs fiesta se handled better… hell, I think my 03 focus hatchback allowed me to carry more speed through the curves on the backroads.
The tires obviously sucked, and changing them would surely help. The limits feel pretty low with this rubber, and vague enough that you don’t really want to try and find them. But beyond that I still felt there was a little too much bounce and body roll to feel safe when trying to have fun. It just didn’t feel properly planted for some reason.
So really, just putting a sports tuned suspension, performance tires, and some appearance kit on the existing 6-speed manual hatchback would be enough for me. I guess that would put it in a weird price range competitively, but it would be a damn good car.
Great video and thoughts!
We wanna see the mazdaspeed3 vs this car in a race then u can say it should be the next speed3.
Never had a MazdaSpeed3, never wanted one. So tired of boys who never grew up past the hot hatch. This car outruns the MazdaSpeed3 stock. I reduced my time in autocross by ten seconds on the first day of running my M3HTPP, carving up everything but 'Vettes and purpose built racers. If you want to improve performance, put your money where your mouth is. I love that I can take this car to the track, run hard, and drive it home in refined comfort.
Mazsaspeed would smoke it
I have a 21 mazda3 turbo hatch and I don't think it can take on the mazdaspeed3 sadly.
Mazda3 2.5T 250hp/320torq
MazdaSpeed3 263hp/280torq
Hopefully these numbers are right.
From the line, yeah mazda3 2.5T is gonna win the pull probably with the torque when it's stock vs stock but that's it. Speed3 has 155 top speed, usually breaks 400hp aftermarket. Mazda3 2.5T is limited at 133 top speed (very few have it past 300hp with CS, JB4) and would get demolished top end because of that. Fortunately 99.9% of the time you won't even need to go that fast in either and this new mazda3 is incredible looking plus it's a fantastic daily/road trip vehicle. I think both are great and if the Mazda3 wasn't limited so much tuning wise, it would be more of a competition. If in the off chance you come by a stock speed3 but you are jb4 and intake equipped on your 3, you could probably gap it for awhile but top end is top end and the speed3 rarely will be owned by people wanting to keep it stock.
I have the CX-30 Turbo, which is built on the same platform and shared the drivetrain and most of the interior, and it is a blast to drive. Sure it is jacked up to give it some ground clearance, but I think the hot CUV is the new hot hatch in terms of where the market has gone. I agree on the manual, tires, and deeper bolstering. Those three things would make for a far sportier experience and aggressive rubber may make up enough of the difference so that an adjustable suspension is unnecessary. Perhaps another way to go would be to add an automated, dual clutch manual with something like 8 speeds. That would improve mileage as well as acceleration and driver involvement (ie fun) and that is something Mazda can easily do. Tires, how about Potenza Sport tires on 19 inch rims, go up and out one size and drop one in sidewall width, so 225/35 R19’s. Also, to give it that zoom zoom look and separate it from the rest of the Mazda 3’s, make the options aero package standard. That would be quite a nice package and fairly upscale. Oh for giggles a story, when I tried out my CX-30 turbo I got behind a Porsche Macan, probably a base model. They hammered it pretty hard on an interstate on ramp and the little CX-30 stayed glued to the Porsches tail. When we got on interstate, I let it go, but for that little bit of niche performance, I got great big grin on my face as I knew I found my car.
did you drive mazda 3 of current generation? Does it have different handling?
The direction Mazda's going is somewhat burning my ass. They took a look at their motorsports heritage and their loyal enthusiast fanbase and said "Go fuck yourselves, we're a LUXURY brand now! :D". I wouldn't be so irate if they made some luxury products and kept their performance ones, but they tried to do a COMPLETE 180. It's frankly very cynical of them-- it's like they think the average person wouldn't remember the mazdas of the past (you know, the ford era).
They must be fucking kicking themselves now that hot hatches are booming again-- Veloster N, Civic type R, GTI and Golf R and now the Corolla GR.
With the current Mazda 3 looks gosh a speed3 / mps would look scintillating
It is such a good looking car. It looks like it would be fun to drive up in the mountainsAround curvy roads but also have enough room For the family
I almost bought another Mazda in 2019-20 but decided to get a Subie WRX as Mazda lost its zoom zoom. Was hoping they would make a good MazdaSpeed 3 or 6 back then, but that did not happen.
Agreed on some things Mazda needs to do. And it's been said numerous times in this comment section. They need to get rid of this crap 6 speed Auto and make a competitive 8-10 speed auto/dct and give the enthusiasts an available manual. They need to revisit how they tuned this engine. Give it a better turbo and up the power to over 300hp. It's a 2.5L. The Kia K5GT and Hyundai Sonata N-Line also use a 2.5L turbo and are making 290hp and 311 torque on paper. They are both heavier but are faster than the Mazda 3 Hatch Turbo. They both have the better wet 8 speed transmission and have all the bells and whistles. On top of that a much better warranty. While they are not in the same class they are roughly the same price. And the only downside is that the latter don't have AWD. What besides brand loyalty and willful ignorance to better cars is helping sell this car?
well...
their new CX60 has auto
but there is no torque converter in it - it uses plates system instead.
Stinger and Genesis g70 have AWD with the same engine
@@ukuskota4106 only the stinger has the 2.5T. The g70 still keeps the same 2.0T. But yes they both have all wheel drive but are totally different classes above the Mazda 3.
@@funnyguy1321 I mean the K5 class is closer to the Stinger calss so if there is a need of AWD this models are suitable.
Thanks for reminding about 2.5 engine.
I love how that thing squats!
We in Europe, don't have the 2,5L Turbo engine. The two engines we have, are the 2,0L 122hp and 186hp versions, both with an automatic or manual transmission. No AWD for us thought, just FWD.
What if to buy it in US and transport to the Europe?
I think, as Mazda moves to the premium segment, they think the Mazdaspeed/MPS cars are a bit to "childish" for their image. And we also have the issue with a higher strung car beeing aimed at an audience that won't be able to afford it. The Turbo is a North America only model. And in Europe we only get the non turbo 2.0 or the Skyactive-X. A fully loaded Skyactive X AWD is close to 40 000 eurodollarpounds. A MPS version with uprated suspension, that 2.5T (that's not on the European market at all)... Would 50 000 be enough? Mazda is allready paying hefty CO2 fees on their cars. You get an i30 N for 40K. That is a far more tacky car than the 3 though. But still...
If they skip the Euro/rest of the world market (save on homoligation costs for the drivetrain) - does it sell enough to justify it's existence on the NA market?
I still Love my 2009 Mazdaspeed 3
Got a mk 1 Mazda 3 MPS
"no car is competing with the Golf R at this price range" Audi RS3: hold my beer 🤣
My wife is a huge Mazda fan & we would've bought a version of this car but she only drives manuals & she hates hatch backs.
I owned a mazdaspeed 3 (MPS in aus) from 2009 - 2011, then changed to a VW GTI DSG. I waited and hoped that one day we would see a refined and updated mazdaspeed 3 that was fun, sporty and practical. Unfortunately, this isn't it. Mazda's new design philosophy since 2016ish is to be all grown up, and less "zoom zoom" from their 80s-2000s cars. This new varient lacks all of mazda's sportiness, and looks like something my nana would buy. It's really sad to see Mazda stray so far from their sports car day roots, as i've also owned 2 mx5's (NA and ND) and an rx7. Thankfully the Hyundai i30n exists, and I pick mine up in a couple of weeks, best sports hatch value for money right now hands down - can't wait!!!
I never liked this new hatchback design. It looks great from the rear or the front, but from all other angles it looks like a mini SUV which is what I think they were going for. So it would have to be the Sedan for me, but it's missing the ventilated seats.
I would never buy a turbo in a Auto, you just lose all the fun and might as well just buy something cheap on fuel if you want a Auto. I owned a Mazda 3 MPS 2010 Luxuary (which is a mazda 3 speed in the US) and it was one of the best cars I owned. Owned it for 5 years and never had a problem, its just the ks were getting on a bit and wanted something a little newer. I looked around for ages and ended up getting a Focus ST and first thing I noticed was the lack of power in the ST, but I ended up getting it tuned and now its pretty comparable and im pretty happy with it, but still miss my MPS and would have bought the newer MPS If they ever made one.
I think its a bit gutless by Mazda not to release a new MPS, even companies like Hyundai have done the N models and Mazda had a perfect opportunity to release a newer and better one since they had a great platform with the mps already and I know so many people who loved the MPS, such a shame.
The way he says Mazda is driving me insane
Car doesn’t need a manual no one buys them anymore. What Mazda should offer is a club sport package like they showed off a few years ago, sportier seats, wheels/tires, and stainless exhaust. A package like this would just help this car feel just sporty enough for enthusiasts looking for a great daily driver
I personally like the simplicity of the Mazda.
It’s not loaded up with a bunch of meaningless bling bullshit.
Same.
noooo never be a speed 3 , my gf got this car last year upgraded from her 2012 mazda 3 to it..first time driving it i was so bummed out! i was like wtf is this!...so underpowered long story short weak compared to my 1stt gen speed 3.butttt luxury feel on pointttt smooth ride yes, boss system...bangingggg....compare to my speed 3..street fighter, smelling exhaust fumes.loud fun but like to break..mazda is going for luxury and fuel saving ... mazda racing is fading away fast...
If this mazda 3 turbo had a manual, no other change, just a manual. It would be a car guy hit. You can always put sporty: suspension, exhaust, tune, etc.
if put manual, than put central diff.
If put it all than put independent rear suspension.
And all it won't make enough profit for the company when combustion engine will be banned soon.
The mpg new mazdas get is unreal for their performance
*skyactive system
@@that_escalated_quickly2720 yessir
you mean to much or very effective?
I love what Mazda has done with these new generation of turbo charged cars! So much so that I sold my Mazdaspeed6 and got the 2018 Mazda6 Grand Touring Reserve! However… Mazda is way too damn conservative with their tire choices!!! The original tires on these cars are total CRAP! They do not let these cars perform how they should! The Mazda3 Turbo is held back in acceleration, cornering and braking simply because they chose the wrong tires. Just bump up the width a tad, better stiffer sidewall and stickier compound changes everything you noted. I did this with mine and WOW!! Its a totally different car! My first set of tires were stock sized which helped but my second set were 245/45/19 and it really helped in all areas. My car is fwd and heavier than the Mazda3 but its so much better now. The AWD of the Mazda3 would be greatly improved with just a slight tire change. Not to mention how much better mine is now whth just a CorskSport intake added! You would feel it even more in the lighter Mazda3. Add an axle back exhaust, and some drilled/slotted rotors with better pad and you have a car that is significantly better than the older Mazdaspeed3s but much more comfy/sophisticated! Thanks for this review and I look forward to more!
Not a single mention of the Type R? 😢
Wow. I was blind during this drive... That's a great comparison vs. the Golf R as well. They could've easily competed if they wanted to. It's clear the demand is there. (for now)
@@RoadsUntraveled hah, yeah a lot of your questions of "who else could/would do this/that" I was just sat here saying "Honda." over and over 🙈
So where is the rear wing ???
Reviewers need to drop the manual transmission argument. The Mazda Automatics are the best for a regular car (especially in a word where everyone is using garbage CVTs) in todays market. Plus the money not spent on a whole new transmission was better used on more power. I can see Mazda totally ditching the manual in the future for a great DCT when the cost further drops
Some have a passion for the 3rd pedal, others don't. Unfortunately there isn't a conspiracy amongst reviewers to be vocal on the manual argument, just what I care about in this video! I've done a straight review on the Mazda 3 Turbo before, figured I'd get a little more subjective on this one 😎
The veloster N is going against the golf R what you mean lol
I have the CX-30 GT Turbo, and I agree with your assessment on the need for adaptive suspension, manual option, steering (is too heavy IMO), stock tires, but another thing it needs is better braking. All of those things would still be welcome on the CX - I'd love a "Hot CUV"
Before making my decision I test drove both the Mazda 3 GT Turbo and the CX-30 and ultimately went with the CX because it had the same amount of cargo space that my previous 2011 Mazda3 Sport GS had, and a more comfortable/practical ride height for where I live. I honestly didn't feel like the CX-30 was much slower. The hatch space in the new Mazda3 is ridiculously tiny. I guess they had to sacrifice some of this space for the AWD system, and the change to the rear suspension from independent to torsion-beam.
Oh, and both have a significantly smaller fuel tank than previous years Mazda3''s. Previously I had a 60L capacity, and now it's only 48L, which is a bummer as far as range goes, especially with the addition of the Turbo.
Does cx30 have different handling from mazda 3 ?
I mean steering feel
And did you drove CX-5??
@@ukuskota4106 I didn't drive the cx5, but the steering feel was roughly the same to the Mazda 3 GT I drove. It's certainly quite heavy, but it doesn't bother me, it feels commanding.
I asked because reviewerrs say that a CX30 has worse steering wheel feeling than a CX5.
But reviewers of a Mazda 3 say it have very good steering.
But a CX30 and a Mazda 3 models have the same platform and so steering and suspension parts are lookalike.
And a CX5 has different suspension and so on.
So I can't understand why there is different words about steering of a CX30 and a mazda 3.
Is a 3 really better in steering feel than a CX30 (because of extra ground clearance and so on) or they are the same.
Or maybe a 3 is reaaly closer to CX-5 in handling. I can't understand.
@@ukuskota4106 go do some test drives is all I can recommend.
@@davereichert They are not available for test drive in my market. I'm thinking of importing it.
So close …. Real shame
I had to get rid of my mazda 3 because of gas prices and poor mileage :( miss this car
rear torsion beam. not hot hatch
I bough the 2021 model and had to get rid of it after 4 months. The dealer was unable to fix the annoying dash rattles, the rear seats would not latch back into place, the air bag light came on twice, the rear view mirror fell out, the leather on the steering wheel was beginning to peel, the a/c didn't blow cold enough....etc. I loved how it looked but the build quality was awful.
Must have been made on a Friday. I’m just kidding that sucks. I haven’t had a single issue with my 2021 M3T.
This mazda is nothing compared to the speed 3 generation.
If you want a modern, manic FWD car with a hatch then look at the Hyundai Kona N. It's literally just a slightly taller hot hatch.
Need it to be an AWD 3-dr like the gr Yaris
Great review. Where is this car manufactured?
Japan
@@brianrobinson3961 thank you so very much. Appreciate it. 🫱🏽🫲🏼
@@Miiike604 some are done in mexico, check the VIN, if it starts with an M, Mexico
Where can I get a wing like that to buy? I need one for my mazda 3 I saw before I clicked the video.
Please go drive the corolla gr I'd love to get your opinion
Hopefully soon..
Does anyone know the fate of the Mazda 3 after 2023? Have heard conflicting news regarding the 24?
I traded in a 2018 Mazda3 for a WRX. Mazda makes a great product but without a manual it just isn't a driving enthusiast car.
You’re comparing a fwd n/a car to a turbocharged awd vehicle, some of the 2021 mazda 3s are turbocharged from factory, turbocharged mazda 3>wrx
But the manual in the WRX is definitely not enjoyable
@@steve9377 Should give a newer WRX a test, the rev hang was fixed in 2020 I believe. I test drove a 2016 WRX years ago and the rev hang was atrocious
@@mahhzdaspeed2879 You should get whichever car you like more. If you want something similar to a Mazdaspeed3 you're going to be picking up a WRX, Golf or Civic Si. Newer Mazdas are great cars but they are not made for enthusiasts
@@bmobmo9384 no im just gonna keep my mazdaspeed 3😂😂 better than all of em🤷🏽♂️💀
very nice looking cars
I think ( but am not sure ) that in the UK we can only have the 180bhp version 🤦♂️. We don't get the new Impreza or BRZ either. Or the new GR Corolla 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Vauxhall have stopped their VXR line and Peugeot with the GTi. Luckily Ford still offers ST. VW GTI and R. Hyundai N ( no Veloster though or the sedan you guys also get ). Suzuki still sell the Swift Sport. Toyota the GR86 and GR Yaris. Merc, BMW and Audi all have their options but are expensive. So to Cupra. Not sure on the status of Fiat and Abarth ( think you can still get the hot 500 ). Skoda is up in the air with the Vrs models as well I think. Kia off the ProCeed but it's a shooting brake design now. Renault have stopped the RS ( don't think the Megane is still available ). Too many SUV these days. They aren't all bad but variety is what's needed
And combustion engines ban in UK soon...
@@ukuskota4106 2030 but it will be sooner because car companies have to put things in motion RE the direction of travel. Several have said they won't sell petrol, diesel or hybrid by 2028. Vauxhall being one I think ( but am not sure ). BMW plans to go right to the very end. I would think Toyota with hybrid as well
@@robsmall6466 Traitors
@@ukuskota4106 They should just allow petrol, diesel, hybrid, hydrogen, electric and whatever else is made available to be sold side by side. Then if you want an electric car fine. But if you want an alternative then that should be fine as well
@@robsmall6466 Yes. Most useful for ordinary people now is plug in hybrid - for commuting use battery, for long distance and cold - use fuel.
It will be lighter than fully electric, so more efficient.
But big influential billionaires want to sell us the air.
They call it CO2 pollution. And car makers obey that fraud.
It's revision of what was 100 years ago, when one very rich guy managed to make law which banned his competitor. So this guy sold more of his stuff.
And now people of the same guy lobbied laws to sell us air.
I have to admit, this is a really well done video but was EXTREMELY distracted by the mispronounciation of the name. It sounds like mehzda instead of mAHHHzda which is how to correctly pronounce the brand name.
matsudo turi tubo
Mazda should have made a Mazda speed 3 on the latest car. This is a missed opportunity in my opinion.
While on a test tune, Cobb decided it would be a good idea to give it all the boost...like all of it...I have no idea how I didn't spun a rod bearing or sent a piston into earth low orbit...but 46psi, I think my EBC is dying or I have a faulty ground, something something not right I know...welp...it took it like a champ for 3 gear pulls lol. It's definitely trying to k*ll me...don't mention it here, I'm sure my car is reading my FB posts when shes on the WIFI...Send Help!!! Does anyone here have a full Bayson R lip kit. Front Lip, Side Skirts, Back exhaust contours and middle bumper lip. If anyone has it, whats your suspension, are you scraping etc...I really could use someone's advice on it please
mazda dropped mazdaspeed a long time ago they’re trying to be a luxury brand and mazdaspeed doesn’t sound luxury to them
Wrong the Mazda 3 does come manual with turbo. No awd for the manual tho
You cannot buy a 2022 Mazda 3 Turbo with a manual transmission. :( Sucks, but it's the truth.
The Mazda3 Turbo should have come with a manual.
You Canadians pronounce the “a” in “Mazda” in such a peculiar manner 😆
Facepalm 🤦🏼- but it IS the next gen Mazdaspeed 6️⃣-
(Which was AWD!)
which means they gave you Even more than the speed 3
And y’all are Sleeping About It
Nothing fun about an outdated automatic, if it was a manual/dual clutch it would have had character.
@@Plupx What do yuo mean with outdated automatic? Isn't skyactive transmission good enough?
@@ukuskota4106 it's not a fun nor sporty transmission by any means, it's just a normal 6 speed automatic
after seeing the new civic type-r, i feel like they could justify a new mazdaspeed3 by bumping up the power a little more (and everything that made the mazdaspeed3 great)
GR Corolla*
@@FDNY101202 that too, i would get one if i had the money
Why Mazda didn’t capture this opportunity? Because Mazda and Speed don’t go together 😂
Does it fit a road bike in the back?
yeah, once you remove the wheels😉 and fold down the backseats😅
No manual, no thanks. I USED to be a HUGE Mazda fan, I owned 5 diff Mazdas but when they went stupid, I went elsewhere.
Meh, I could care less about a hot hatch. I refered the AWD Mazdaspeed 6 over the 3 any day.
The old Mazdaspeed has always been a juvenile car. Mazda has clearly stated in the past that they aim for the premium segment which also means making cars for grown ups.
Is so sad i love mazda i have a m3 2015 but I probably trade in for a brz or elantra N .. i need to shift my own gears
I thought the protege speed was the first gen.
This car is NOT fast. Even with premium fuel . It's quick at the most. 6.9 s to 60 mph .
Not fast, but quite torquey especially vs. the competition.
My little sister bought one, had it for a year. HATES THAT CAR WITH EVERY FIBRE OF HER BEING!
she's a former miata owner (NA & ND). Loved both.
Also owned a Mazda 3 with the weird 2.3 and 6speed. not so much love but still enjoyed it.
She thought the new Mazda 3 turbo with awd was going to be a GOLF GTI/GOLF R/WRX Type. A call back to the Mazdaspeed 3, which we test-drove when we were younger drivers.
She hates this car and will be selling it after this year.
To my understanding, this may be the last Mazda she owns. It was that bad.
Jesus what happened lmao. I used to have a 2018 mada 3 and traded it for a GTI for power. Miss the interior and looks of the Mazda though. But power wise I don't even think this turbo 3 is as quick
@@micaiahreese I drive a gti for that very reason. Miss my Mazda 3...it handled great it was just to slow
We don’t like ours either. Many issues like broken heated seat @ 5k low oil light at 12k not to mention all the interior rattles. Actually going to the dealer next week for more issues.
@@jasonwheeler8996 my sister said her car randomly locks the doors and disconnects from her phone. Many weird electrical issues...and that's coming from a guy with a bloody Volkswagen which has had none.
Honda Civic Type R?
Canadians say "Mazda" weird.