Doctor Reacts to Dylan Larkin Scary Injury

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  • Detroit Red Wings player Dylan Larkin was down motionless on the ice after a very concerning injury. Yet it didn't look like he really got hit that hard.
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  • @BrianSuttererMD
    @BrianSuttererMD  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +213

    Concussion is still certainly the first thing to think of here, so don’t think this video is me saying that’s not possible. This is just an alternative pathology to think about when the blow to the head wasn’t as intense as we can often see in hockey

    • @johnjunietify
      @johnjunietify 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Great educational piece tonight, Doc. As a newer practicing athletic trainer, I have not heard of carotid sinus hypersensitivity before. I enjoy watching hockey, but not working it, as I just am not of fan all the potential seriousness of injuries, as well as the consistent underreporting of them. But this surely gives some new insights for a differential diagnosis. Thanks!

    • @tchevrier
      @tchevrier 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      is there a difference in how the body reacts (specifically the arms) when it is knocked unconscious from a blow to the head vs a sudden drop in blood pressure.?

    • @johnjunietify
      @johnjunietify 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@tchevrier the short answer is that with head trauma like with a concussion sometimes, posturing (body rigidity) can occur. There are three primary types of posturing, but all elicit stiffness in limbs, torso and/or neck. Sometimes there is not posturing with head trauma. In the case of low blood pressure, one usually presents lifelessly, and simply falls down limply.

    • @tchevrier
      @tchevrier 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@johnjunietify Thanks.

    • @SqrlJam
      @SqrlJam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Is there any type of device wearable that can prevent this from happening? Like the wearable neck guard to protect your neck artery from being cut.

  • @J.A.2319
    @J.A.2319 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +254

    He and his family are going through a lot already. Hoping and praying for the best.

    • @blakestackpoole4693
      @blakestackpoole4693 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Exactly what I’m thinking, I can’t imagine what Mrs. Larkin was thinking

    • @littolcreachure
      @littolcreachure 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      literally my First thought was poor kenzie, i hope she's with other people/isn't watching this by herself :((

    • @hampton1947
      @hampton1947 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What are they going through (before this incident)?

    • @vastorfenix3962
      @vastorfenix3962 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ⁠​⁠@@hampton1947 Dylan and his wife shared that she was pregnant. She was probably 20 something weeks and had a miscarriage. Dylan missed a couple of games for an undisclosed reason and this is likely that

    • @dairyfreemilkyway239
      @dairyfreemilkyway239 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pray to sky wizard

  • @LilSebastian13
    @LilSebastian13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +164

    As a wings fan who was watching live, knowing his history with head/neck injuries in the past with hits from Jamie Benn in 2020 and Mathieu Joseph (who was also involved in tonight’s play) in 2021, this was definitely very scary to watch. Hopefully he’ll be alright, and be brought back in the appropriate amount of time. Thanks doc!

    • @jaydensmith3933
      @jaydensmith3933 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I’m a wings fan too and watched the game the way he was laying on the ice and not moving I thought he died I hope our cap gets better

    • @hyperionowl1848
      @hyperionowl1848 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was about 30ft from him in the stands during this. Very scary

    • @alexha2884
      @alexha2884 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sounds like he should retire is a weak ass hit like this puts him out like that

    • @pa-mo
      @pa-mo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jaydensmith3933 Ya that was a scary moment, still waiting for new and nothing yet. (side note: when I first read "I hope our cap gets better" I thought you meant you hoped the injury would open up salary cap space, which I thought was a pretty messed up place to go, then I realized you meant captain!)

    • @didyaevernotice9196
      @didyaevernotice9196 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doc Jamie Benn tried to chop his head off with that cross check. Can you say quack quack?

  • @mondredgaming8927
    @mondredgaming8927 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Larkin also has a small history of head and neck injuries and that was my biggest worry

  • @deemariedubois4916
    @deemariedubois4916 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    When an athlete goes down then doesn’t move, it’s so damn scary. Thanks Dr Brian.

    • @user-gw5wg2jf9c
      @user-gw5wg2jf9c 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      they are not athletes any more they are on disability or they're like cops or something

  • @MrNiccholas
    @MrNiccholas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Interesting video! In my opinion no matter if it was Carotid sinus hypersensitivity or a brain injury, this was a good opportunity to discuss CSH. I'd never heard of this and talking about things like this is exactly the point of this channel! It's unfortunate that a player was injured but I think it's great that you can bring something good and educational out of a bad situation! My thoughts and prayers are with the player and his loved ones and I wish him a speedy recovery!

  • @domcagney2352
    @domcagney2352 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Hey Brian could you cover Patrick Kane’s hip resurfacing procedure? I know the basics but I’d love to hear from a professional what happens, how they do it, what it’s correcting, then prognosis and why it’s ended so many careers

    • @blackoutgstar9949
      @blackoutgstar9949 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      let me ask you
      what kind of doctor has time to make clickbait screenshots
      if you ever took advice from him you should sue

    • @bushwxcker540
      @bushwxcker540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@blackoutgstar9949the picture is literally what happened

    • @BurtTurbo
      @BurtTurbo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      every doctor in the world has time to take a screenshot. What are you talking about? You think all doctors work 140 hours a week, and none of them have hobbies?@@blackoutgstar9949

    • @thatonelonghairedguy764
      @thatonelonghairedguy764 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blackoutgstar9949 looking this guy up gets plenty of results. it's pretty easy to do these days.

    • @CanadaBlue85
      @CanadaBlue85 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blackoutgstar9949 Don't worry, I've reported your intelligence as "missing" to the appropriate authorities.

  • @tchevrier
    @tchevrier 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I chuckled a little when you said he took "a presumably benign looking shot". from a 6'2" 205lb guy with a hockey stick.

  • @mikhailboldt3417
    @mikhailboldt3417 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    Very few things are as shocking to read as _____ lying motionless. Whether it’s an athlete or someone on the street when it’s this bad they are not moving the situation is truly critical. God Bless that young man. Hockey is a great sport and it matters but a persons day to day ability to live breathe eat function as a person take precedence over everything else.

    • @thomascunning8248
      @thomascunning8248 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Bro what? Never seen any kind of martial art??

    • @BigSho0ter
      @BigSho0ter 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomascunning8248whoosh

    • @mikhailboldt3417
      @mikhailboldt3417 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomascunning8248I’ve seen plenty of MMA boxing and many other combat sports. Having experience seeing something doesn’t make it any less difficult when it occurs again. If a firefighter has seen tons of people burned in fires he’s not going to stop caring or not have an emotional reaction the next time he sees a burn victim. No matter how grizzled you are how hardened by tragedy or past trauma there’s still a human element to all of these situations. Seeing a person in that kind of desperate potentially life threatening state can affect even the toughest people.
      Seeing a person laying motionless on the field court ice etc is for people with a heart jarring and upsetting.
      If you are so far gone so heartless that you don’t see the humanity of this and it doesn’t get to you on some level you need help dude professional help because you’ve got some major concerns with lack of empathy. If you’re removed yourself detached yourself so far from these players that a dude literately falling motionless doesn’t make you feel worried and scared you got issues deep down you need to address.
      Regardless of past history or what you have or haven’t seen this should absolutely un nerve you because it’s a person lying not moving needing immediate medical attention. That has nothing to do with past injuries it’s a separate incident that no reasonable person would conflate with the past to justify not reacting in an emotional manner

  • @Alexander-lc7dx
    @Alexander-lc7dx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    I’m not a doctor but it looked like #27 hit him “on the button” on that sensitive spot along the jaw that you see fighters get knocked out a lot when hit.

    • @chef_steff
      @chef_steff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With the glove though... and watching it in real-time.... i really don't think so. Especially with his history of bizarre neck injury. Terrence McKinney is an MMA fighter that got KO'd cold just like this from a knee hitting the side of his neck

    • @DM-zr7vc
      @DM-zr7vc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@chef_steffyou will be soon proven wrong

    • @jimmartin2548
      @jimmartin2548 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was thinking the same especially with his head going into the blow from 21

    • @MIkhailCruverov
      @MIkhailCruverov 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Those gloves aren't that soft. They wear them to protect their hands. The padding inside is very unforgiving. You could get hit with something soft on the chin and as long as you get a little twist and the right angle you'll go out. He wasn't ready for that and didn't see it coming.

    • @buttkick22
      @buttkick22 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bingo. That’s exactly what happened. Butt end of the stick right on the button.

  • @Eriey3
    @Eriey3 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I was at the game….it was absolutely terrifying. The entire arena was SILENT! You couldn’t heard a pin drop. I sat there nearly holding my breath just praying he’d get up! I hope he is okay and can recover quickly. He and his family are already going through enough. Appreciate this break down and the medical knowledge, I work in healthcare so this is helpful for education!

  • @davidmakessongs
    @davidmakessongs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Thats crazy I hope he recovers and comes back better than ever!!!

  • @ryanthomas5962
    @ryanthomas5962 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Jamie Benns hit to the neck of Larkin was not “benign”….
    It was a brutal, two-handed cross check to the back of Larkins neck, while the latter was bent over for a face off. Benn leaned over Larkin, and put all of his weight and strength into a forceful, downwards cross check. That play was brutally dangerous and so far out of the realm of normal hockey violence/danger.

    • @bnandersonx
      @bnandersonx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Of course, your professional and in depth analysis has much more merit than this sports medicine doc

    • @DavidVandemark
      @DavidVandemark 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bnandersonxoh please. Benn has a history of this kinda shit. If you had eyes better than Stevie Wonder, you’d see what he’s saying is completely right.

  • @FCCarns
    @FCCarns 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    One of the best YT channels out there days. So much information for people who don’t know much about this stuff

  • @TinCupChalice
    @TinCupChalice 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Thank you! Saw this and was really wondering what could have happened. Hope he’s okay, he was so passed out. I was surprised he got off the ice without the stretcher.

  • @mrhonda1
    @mrhonda1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I got crosschecked in the neck when i was younger, pretty much in the same spot on the neck. It slid a vertebrae sideways and pinched a nerve down my right arm. I just about passed out. I could hear my teammates saying that I was turning green.

  • @anthonybewlz388
    @anthonybewlz388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Love your channel, Doc. As an ex-pro player, I can say that initial cross check to the neck is WAY more traumatic than you asses it to be...."If you know, you know". Two hands close together holding a stick at full force into the neck, even at cpose range, can be devastating depending on where exactly the trauma is inflicted. Keep shining, doc 🙏💫

    • @ThomasTheTrainX
      @ThomasTheTrainX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What team did you play for

    • @wakeup1783
      @wakeup1783 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You were not a ex pro player lmao you live in mommy's basement buddy

    • @Kieva_Storm
      @Kieva_Storm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wakeup1783 Don't be a fucking tool. There are a lot more leagues than just the NHL around the world. Furthermore, is your faith in people so low that you assume everyone is a giant liar? I played Triple A for Little Caesers, and I'll supplement his statement, and say those sticks hurt in any location that isn't protected, when you get hit by anyone older than 12.

  • @fraliexb
    @fraliexb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    2:22 it looks like #27 Kelly connected with #71s right jaw with a strike just prior to him losing consciousness.

  • @geealmulla
    @geealmulla 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    We were there and saw it happen . He was out cold before he hit the ice . He was out for a while . He finally woke back up and they had to help him off the ice and he was still out of it .

  • @fredhenrick
    @fredhenrick 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this info. Very informative. My wife and i watching the game a home, our hearts stopped, immediately grabbed our crosses around our necks with tears in our eyes praying for him

  • @julienalexander6113
    @julienalexander6113 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I think it was the handle of the dudes stick that caught him in the back of the lower part of his head

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric9317 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating, I figured it was something like this. Thanks for the explanation.

  • @kayecastleman6353
    @kayecastleman6353 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating analysis. Thanks for the information.

  • @c1awz
    @c1awz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Clearly KO'd by Kelly, right on the chin rotating the head

  • @cazzenova9286
    @cazzenova9286 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    great coverage

  • @VTPSTTU
    @VTPSTTU 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for the video!
    I think I've experienced that carotid sinus sensitivity issue. I was helping a friend carry a 120 pound Burmese python. I had him on my right shoulder as we walked. At one point, he bent his body just a little, and his muscular side pressed against my neck. At first, I didn't think anything of the situation. He was stretched out completely. I wasn't standing there with a twelve-foot-long snake wrapped around my neck. The front, back, and left side of my neck were completely free of snake or anything else. Then, I suddenly felt faint. I was still walking, but my vision started to go dark and I felt very faint. I adjusted him slightly so that he was more on my shoulder joint and deltoid and not touching my neck. Within seconds, the faint feelings were completely gone.
    I always thought that maybe the circulation to my brain was cut off for a few seconds. If I correctly understand what you are saying, the circulation wasn't cut off but that spot detected a higher blood pressure than usual. My brain then lowered my overall blood pressure which had the same effect of depriving my brain of oxygen. Do you think this is possible?

  • @nextup1864
    @nextup1864 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome analysis. Thank you.

  • @DingoOverlord
    @DingoOverlord 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always love your hockey videos, Doc!

  • @jamesharding2059
    @jamesharding2059 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    #21 was pushing his head down into #27... magnifying the blow as well

  • @100Crackfist
    @100Crackfist 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love when Doc covers hockey injuries, this was scary but learned something I never knew before here. Even if this was just a concussion.

  • @maxymilien84
    @maxymilien84 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really thought his collapse was a concussion caused by the sudden head pivot with 27's punch (albeit weak). I never would have thought of the carotid sinus. Interesting. It's scary how often our body's perfectly balanced functions is also its own double-edged sword.

  • @jkell411
    @jkell411 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    That looked like a shot right to the jaw to me. Seemed pretty clear in the one shot that he hit the guy on the right side of his jaw with his right glove. Getting hit on the lower side of the jaw like that is a very common way for a ko in fighting.

    • @chef_steff
      @chef_steff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With the glove though... and watching it in real-time.... i really don't think so. Especially with his history of bizarre neck injury. Terrence McKinney is an MMA fighter that got KO'd cold just like this from a knee hitting the side of his neck

    • @mh13mini
      @mh13mini 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@chef_steff on the other side of the glove is the butt end of the hockey stick though. That's what probably hit him

    • @judsonwright
      @judsonwright 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am with you. This was the jaw. Occam’s razor.

    • @1247.cccccc
      @1247.cccccc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@chef_steff Those gloves are not soft.

    • @keithneedham5924
      @keithneedham5924 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree with the stick butt to the jaw. Reminds me of something discussed in martial arts about how bare knuckle is safer than padding for the brain because the body will shut off when all the force is applied to a small point (like the butt of a hockey stick) in a nerve rich area (jaw). Also isn’t the other players push still related because it removes the space for movement to dissipate the force? Wouldn’t that lower the threshold for a knockout and perhaps look “benign” (doesn’t seem benign to me when his head is pinned between 2 players at speed… but just my opi)

  • @gerardellis1127
    @gerardellis1127 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome detail and information

  • @TheCrazyCanuck420
    @TheCrazyCanuck420 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hopefully he's ok and can bounce back. Great video, I didn't know about the blood pressure thing.

  • @mirandarights5566
    @mirandarights5566 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the, as always fantastic diagnosis of these injuries that you cover..
    If I had a doctor like you around when I was working NYC as an EMT ambulance driver back in the neanderthal 80sI would have still been involved..( never really stopped just isn't my means of income)

  • @JohnsOnStrings
    @JohnsOnStrings 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great analysis! Another point about Kelly's stick - you can see both before and after how the butt end of his stick is _not_ visible: unless Kelly is very clever and diabolical, the butt end of his stick did not come into play. I think it's worth noting, also, that Kelly's presence helped prevent Larkin face-planting directly to the ice.
    I had initially thought, given his injury history, that it might've been nerves in the neck... but you're right, the trainers on the ice would never have let him back up since presumably there would still be tingling, etc... so far yours is the best explanation I've seen.

    • @dannyl-p1543
      @dannyl-p1543 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The end might not have out but I think just the fact that he had in his hand mightve made the impact harder? I don't think that makes sense, just a guess

  • @LockedOnSenators
    @LockedOnSenators 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great breakdown!

  • @freethinker3161
    @freethinker3161 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It really looks like you're right. Thank you for your analysis

  • @semiwindup
    @semiwindup 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You don't see it from that angle but #21 hits Larkin squarely on the jaw with his left gloved hand from the other side and of course Larkin doesn't see it coming.

    • @timmyb8694
      @timmyb8694 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was wondering if anyone would mention that. As he's hitting him in the back of the head with the end of his stick, (jst cuz he's got a glove on doesn't mean he doesn't feel the stick) he's also getting an uppercut to the face simultaneously...But another thing I noticed on these replays, is Kelly not really letting up, but rather ramming his fist into the side of Larkins head...Maybe not on purpose, but not exactly an "accident" either...So he got his head rattled 3 times in one play..Not to mention fallin face 1st on the ice...Hope he recovers from it. Think Joseph should get the suspension as well. Slow motion replay shows Joseph staring at Larks head knowing exactly what he's doing. I'd think differently if he wasn't staring right at him while he was givin him the dbl whammy...

  • @scotttruehart8024
    @scotttruehart8024 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, thats kind of incredible. I had no idea your body actually monitored your blood pressure and find it interesting that outside pressure can have an affect on the part that does monitor it.

  • @goatscrote
    @goatscrote 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Going to be interesting to hear the teams statement and where Larks career goes from here

  • @user-qi2pi1gr9p
    @user-qi2pi1gr9p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome breakdown

  • @elosogonzalez8739
    @elosogonzalez8739 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hockey players are as tough as come! Thanks Doc! This encounter should liven things a bit for their next meeting! Larken skated off, he'll be good to go once he gets a through exam by Team Doctors and/Or Specialists.

  • @user-lp4jc5co2b
    @user-lp4jc5co2b 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks doc!

  • @julienalexander6113
    @julienalexander6113 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    My team took a wuppin' today too after giving up that game to San Jose smh. Need to rid of Husso. Seems like Larkin will be ok, though

  • @7viewerlogic670
    @7viewerlogic670 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great info.

  • @mulletpower2009
    @mulletpower2009 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    All of these look "benign" when you watch them in fucking slow motion dawg

  • @JulieR73
    @JulieR73 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have a bad feeling we’re going to see more cases of CTE due to the amount blows to the head they take. I’ve seen horrendous head injuries while I worked for the Dallas Stars.

    • @1247.cccccc
      @1247.cccccc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Dropping Mike Modano off the stretcher was horrendous.

  • @JoniMitchell-qi6hr
    @JoniMitchell-qi6hr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx doc❤

  • @Finis08
    @Finis08 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Carotid Sinus Hypersensitivity was something I was thinking about after watching the replays. Especially knowing his history. Either way, hopefully he is ok and recovering well.

  • @lonewolfpoetics
    @lonewolfpoetics 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    Honestly, this is the first time I actually disagree with ya Doc. Those "benign" blows are coming from adrenalized, strong, professional athletes. They may look innocent, but I'm willing to bet there's a helluva lot more power than what it looks like

    • @chef_steff
      @chef_steff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      With the glove though... and watching it in real-time.... i really don't think so. Especially with his history of bizarre neck injury. Terrence McKinney is an MMA fighter that got KO'd cold just like this from a knee hitting the side of his neck

    • @solarion9802
      @solarion9802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Most doctors are about half as smart as they think they are anyway. Jamie Benn is a 6'2" 207lbs goon. There's nothing "benign" about having that animal cross check the back of your neck.

    • @c1awz
      @c1awz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And look at the head reaction - thats a hard hit right on the jaw

    • @bradmaguire9611
      @bradmaguire9611 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's not a glove, the glove covers the stick you don't see hitting him in the jaw, look closely slow it down and you'll see it, a stick doesn't disappear because a glove is covering it.

    • @vincekern
      @vincekern 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@bradmaguire9611 I saw this live and over several replays -- and having played the game at high levels over several decades, I agree with you on this. And I agree with the original comment that the good Dr.'s assessment of a "benign hit" is inaccurate. I echo what @lonewolfpoetics posted and add that hockey players can easily "hide" the knob of a stick just off the glove.....I watched this replay at least a dozen times and Joseph and #27 knew exactly what they were doing (although organic in the moment, not planned) as well as who they were doing it to. Missing from the good doctor's context in his assessment is also the cheap shot Joseph did to Larkin previously as well as Larkin's sucker punch retaliation that got him suspended. In the NHL, it's all about winning and there is a lot of targeting still going on of the league's top players. It all is part of the context of this play.

  • @darkphoenix2
    @darkphoenix2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Appreciate you offering another possibility other than the one that everyone knows about. Not that any of this is good, but I think I'd prefer this to him actually having any kind of trauma to the head. Can you say if this sort of thing does any lasting damage? Having already had a neck injury and just playing hard for several years already, it sucks to see him go down now when the team is getting good. He and his wife also had a miscarriage recently so I really just hope for the best for him.

  • @truwak
    @truwak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    What a dirty hit

  • @mctendies1413
    @mctendies1413 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks doc. Do you think with how quickly Larkin was out (presumably before he even hit the ice) that the carotid syncope could cause that quick of a reaction? I would think that would take longer for him to go unconscious if that was the only trigger.

  • @michaeld9731
    @michaeld9731 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting. Best wishes for Dylan Larkin!

  • @seanv6051
    @seanv6051 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Watching the replay many times over, it appears his knees are solidly under him until he takes the second hit to the chin. It’s after the second hit that his knees give out and we’d have to assume that is when he’s knocked unconscious. I disagree and do feel that second hit 100% contacted his chin, I think what you aren’t considering is it appears he caught the side of the glove to his chin moving in an upward direction as his head/neck were being pushed down from behind. I would say it’s possible he caught the butt end of the players stick to his chin and he was unable to absorb the hit with the forward pressure coming from behind. This is likely what knocked him unconscious and is a common phenomenon in fights with “glass chin”. As he did get up he did raise his right hand to the right side of his face.

  • @braygun44
    @braygun44 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    From some of the photos it looked like he was out before hitting Kelly’s stick and the scans came back clear, interested to see what you think if it’s not a concussion or that blood pressure thing (although I suppose that blood pressure thing hasn’t been ruled out)

  • @KING_DRACO1199
    @KING_DRACO1199 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Always a scary scene in any sport

  • @julianhall1866
    @julianhall1866 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you think Neck guards coming soon than there's been a lot of shots in hockey from there.

  • @VodkaphileTTG
    @VodkaphileTTG 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was 100% him being knocked unconscious due to the blow from Kelly (unintentional) but at 2:39 look at the helmet whip forward and to the side, in slow motion. That is what his brain was doing inside his skull. He was being pushed forward by Joseph then stopped absolutely dead by the oncoming hit from the hand/butt end of the stick from Kelly. Look at the visor flex inward at 3:05, he was hit directly in the face, not the neck. You can see the visor appears to be popped right off the side of the helmet at 3:16. It was a very strong blow.

  • @EricBurns1
    @EricBurns1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That seemed relatively fast for when he came to to when he was able to get up entirely. I have epilepsy and it can take a while for me to come to after a seizure since I have no aura and fall straight to the ground. Is that where the hit to the neck vs hit to the head is the difference?

  • @generalimlerith8356
    @generalimlerith8356 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dayum it’s so bizarre like you said it Brian it looked so harmless

  • @bradmaguire9611
    @bradmaguire9611 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The head blow was the butt end of a stick on the back of his neck pushing him into a the butt end of a stick hitting him in the jaw, you can't see this because players wear gloves, but if you know whats hitting him, this is a pretty obvious concussion. So Doctor if a stick is being pressed on the back of your neck and another stick hits you in the jaw, what do you think will happen? Dont need a doctor for this if you know whats hitting him. Your not looking at the right angle on this hit, which is why your kissing #27 stick hitting him in the jaw.

  • @TheBorilla92
    @TheBorilla92 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When Crosby had prolonged post concussion symptoms I believe it came out that it was a damaged ir miss aligned part of the spine in a similar are. Do you think this could be similar or I'd that just a reach

  • @TheGraham27
    @TheGraham27 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So looks like 21 is pushing on his left side of his neck, where 27 hits him on the right side of the neck, sandwiching his neck, he goes out n then hits his head on the ice. I think what you're talking about took him out, but ice isn't forgiving n he also could have a concussion from the fall to the ice. Prayers go out to him.

  • @jessyholmes6463
    @jessyholmes6463 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    never heard of the hyper sensitivity of the sinus... that makes a lot of sense. Since you said that, looking at the point where a hand is on each side of the neck, I wonder if it stopped enough blood flow to cause the passing out in addition to the hypersensitive sinus. And then the final theory, as someone with significant head trauma, each time i get hit in the head, i will drop to the ground and stay still (for obvious reasons) but also I feel like I detach from my body if that makes sense. I know I can move my arms and legs but in the moment they feel foreign.

  • @joedevola2071
    @joedevola2071 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating. I’ve never heard of that. Thanks, Doc!

  • @coreythauvette-bn5in
    @coreythauvette-bn5in 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If I understood correctly sir , you said it's the 2nd player that would have affected his neck ? There's pictures showing he was out after that initial first " push or shove ". Very interesting stuff thanks.

  • @christopherspohn8071
    @christopherspohn8071 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks doctor, and he was straightup knocked out. Have to check injury list.

  • @brainshaker8
    @brainshaker8 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Feeling better about our Michigan made Captain after watching this...ty

  • @alexanderdoran2862
    @alexanderdoran2862 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kelly and Joseph made contact with Larkin's head at about the same time. So Larkin's head wasn't able to move away and dissipate the force of either blow. While neither of the blows were that hard on their own but together at the same time he's takes the full force of each blow. Now would't that be more than enough force to knock him out and give him a concussion??

  • @Real_McPhee
    @Real_McPhee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    CSH is good option to go with from the video at hand. My guess the butt end of #27’s stick, maybe combined with the palm, made contact with Larkin’s jaw en route to his neck/shoulder. What is REALLY throwing me is after both of these events, when he should be unconscious, you see Larkin’s left hand pull up and toward his neck. It looks too intentional to be unconscious floppy arm. That’s the correct medical term, right?

  • @doctordaveairborne5476
    @doctordaveairborne5476 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good presentation. I would include evaluation for carotid and vertebral artery injury. In real time it looked more coup-contracoup knock out. In slow motion I agree with the second player likely impacted right coronary sinus. Needs MRI for high cervical ligamentous injury.

  • @EattheApple666
    @EattheApple666 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What's the confusion? One guy hitting in the back of the head behind the ear and one hitting in the jaw
    eck.

    • @ilkkak3065
      @ilkkak3065 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are no quick changes on his head moving, so there are no hard hit. Hard hit cause sudden change on head movement. Just watch slowmo boxing where hit cause instant change of direction.

  • @jamesniagu274
    @jamesniagu274 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flyers fan here and I was so worried when this happened. You never wanna see anyone get hurt.

  • @jugaloking69dope58
    @jugaloking69dope58 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    was thinking that hand/butt end from 21 was the wammy that finished him off.
    professional view is great

  • @bamaboi8814
    @bamaboi8814 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The numbness questions must be much harder for him to answer reliably because of the minutes spent laying on the ice

  • @pali1H
    @pali1H 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was the #27 that hit his jaw. Just like how you see in fighting. His head wasn't able to have room to recoil back since the other players hand was already pushing his head forward. Lights out.

  • @RobDucharme
    @RobDucharme 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:42 Ok I'm not a doctor in any sense of the word, but oddly enough my first thought was, "was there a blood flow interruption?" I once watched a woman get hoisted up with the wrong type of body harness during a safety course on using harnesses, and she blacked out and started to convulse. They let her down, and when she came to, she looked up at all of us surprised, as she had no idea what just happened. What HAD happened was her harness pressed up against her neck as they hoisted her. Like I said, wrong type of harness was used (the criss-cross style).

  • @lucasstanczyk14
    @lucasstanczyk14 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @BrianSuttererMD
    Is it possible to faint from an intense morning stretch ?

  • @mrtrace4968
    @mrtrace4968 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In old slap stick movies, a judo chop to the neck area would see someone collapse unconscious. Would this be similar to what you're explaining to us?

  • @drewv3293
    @drewv3293 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep up the hockey vids

  • @jordanwhite8567
    @jordanwhite8567 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can’t tell from this analysis, does he fall forward and hit his head on the ice? I’m assuming if he did you would’ve mentioned that but it seems like that’s his trajectory every time the clip ends. Is it possible he was briefly stunned enough to fall forward and then lost consciousness once he hit the ice?

  • @TinoMartinez20
    @TinoMartinez20 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks pretty clear #27 caught him in the face and he was heading in. Right on the jaw line and can see the immediate head whip back a bit

  • @StingrayOfficial
    @StingrayOfficial 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Will they be able to test Dylan for this condition?

  • @leonardodavinci3589
    @leonardodavinci3589 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have low blood pressure, and I was very quickly wondering if this was a blood pressure thing. That looks like how it feels when my blood pressure takes a further dive

  • @President.GeorgeWashington
    @President.GeorgeWashington 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was at this game, 8 rows up, right behind the blue line on the penalty box side. We thought we just witnessed our captain die in front of us. It was very scary.

  • @joshsampson8951
    @joshsampson8951 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Cross checks to the neck/head are not benign. Kelly might have butt ended him as well.

  • @OmegaWolf747
    @OmegaWolf747 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this sensitivity of the carotid sinus something that a doctor could treat, or perhaps some extra padding around the neck?

  • @kko-87
    @kko-87 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    doc i have a problem of pain in shin because of my calf muscle can youu help me

  • @acespace7255
    @acespace7255 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    21 Cross check to the neck WHILE (simultaneously ) 27 butt-end to the head

  • @1247.cccccc
    @1247.cccccc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hockey players can produce a concentration of violence and the tape shows a 'a little push'. Don't be fooled; that guy was mugged.

  • @FrustratedCat33
    @FrustratedCat33 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seems like number 21 and 27 hit him at the neck around the same time

  • @EweCantHandletheTruth
    @EweCantHandletheTruth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looked very similar to when fighters in the UFC get knocked unconscious with punches or kicks that seemingly land accidentally to a guys side of the neck instead of jaw or temple but still have that KO affect. I always thought they were misplaced punches or kicks but maybe they’re done on purpose seeing as they have similar results?

  • @vigilantagent6948
    @vigilantagent6948 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vasovagal syncope - vagus nerve shot. Jaw shot could add concussion

  • @MrVisde
    @MrVisde 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looked like he was disoriented from getting knocked around by 2 different players and ends up hitting his head on the ice.

  • @JSON_bourne
    @JSON_bourne 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you for covering this, even most of the hockey channels on youtube never discuss the wings. regardless of what happened on the ice, the sens fans have been despicable online. a player is seriously hurt and they are talking shit about the redwings. while at the bottom of the division. as a redwings fan, i love the sens, theyre a fun team to watch, but the way their fans have responded to this is disgusting. sadly its not just sens fans. lots of the league's fans hate the wings. as a kid who grew up in Detroit for two cups and then moved to Tampa for two cups, i really just love to see good hockey no matter who wins. im sure theyll rise above this but i really hope larkin is ok, i know he had past neck injuries.

    • @stevenightfall6634
      @stevenightfall6634 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sens fan here, not looking for an argument or anything like that at all but I think you might be cherry picking a little here. 99% of the comments I've seen from other Sens fans have been ones wishing Larkin all the best and hoping that he's ok.

    • @SupItsJesse
      @SupItsJesse 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@stevenightfall6634 I've seen some pretty nasty stuff about Larkin from some sens fans. A few making fun of how he looked when knocked out, or one wishing he has a career ending injury.
      Wings fans aren't totally innocent either. They were understandably upset, but took it too far by wishing harm to Joseph.
      We need more level headed people in both fan bases lmao

    • @JSON_bourne
      @JSON_bourne 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stevenightfall6634 not looking to argue either I'll chalk it up to the algorithm, I was at a party when it happened so I had to rely on Twitter and all it was showing me was people (mainly sens fans) dumping on Detroit. A lot of individuals but I specifically remember the sens chrip twitter saying "just a remarkably trash hockey team in every way possible" about Detroit. Wasn't the only thing i saw but the one I remember most. Already cringe when you consider Detroit best them once this year and had a way better record but on top of the injury that's just poor taste.

    • @austinyasmine7722
      @austinyasmine7722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To be honest, the wings fans (and Perron) wanted blood before realizing the true extent of the issue. Most hockey fans I've seen are just putting those wings fans back in reality a bit. When you watch the whole play, including after the injury, saying this play was intentional by any means is just unnecessary. Noone wants to see any injury to any player, and personally I think Perron made a mistake there trying for the eye for an eye approach.

    • @davidhowell5683
      @davidhowell5683 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JSON_bourne Sens fan here as well and I haven’t seen anything like that. I would say we may be pissed with Perron cross checking Zub in the head, a guy who had nothing to do with what happened other than he was pushed onto the pile.

  • @rogersamson7952
    @rogersamson7952 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The first blow created a downward force that magnified the impact of the second blow. Both were just hockey plays but the combination of the forces meeting made it really bad. It was the second blow that TKO'd him not the first and not his head hitting the ice.

  • @Danny939ZZKK
    @Danny939ZZKK 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was so scary because i couldnt understand what the hell just happened i thought he broke his neck, thank god he is ok. And also thank you i came here looking for your explanation specifically to help me understand. I would have remain completly clueless otherwise

  • @asaiya705
    @asaiya705 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    From this video, Joseph should still be under review as he was clearly aiming directly for the head.