I love how you're connecting with the community of witches and letting us watch these connections. Just found Ivy myself and there's just something so magnetizing about chaos magick for me. Maybe it's also the low spoon ability of the magic too. I love how you get your guests' excitement out. It's so clear they love their subject and love someone one on one listening so carefully.
I feel like chaos magic is knowing the rules and understanding they don't apply to all situations and knowing when to not follow. Not following rules because you "have to" but because you find you want to
Been a fan of both of you for a long time and am happy you guys did a ''trade off'' interviewing each. Planetary Magick is my favorite...anyways This is a awesome .
Chaos magic sounds like omniism + syncretism on a surface level. Not a bad thing, just interesting that those are what stick out when it's being explained.
Huh, it would seem that I have been practicing chaos magic for years and had no clue it was a defined thing...I thought that was just my personality. 😂
I have been a practitioner for 28 years and before that very eclectic in practice. Chaos Magick, originally, was based in Peter Carroll's model of Chaos Theory. It is a meta paradigm, not a specific paradigm necessarily. You can practice whatever paradigms you wish specifically for a period of time or you can blend of elements of paradigms magical and otherwise and make your own paradigms. It is not necessarily disordered or "chaotic". When Chaos magicians refer to chaos many mean the primordial and not disorder. There is an excellent workbook written by a friend of mine called "The Paradigmal Pirate" by Joshua Wetzel. Dave Lee has also written some good books.
Everything is subject to the mind/Mind and the order that that automatically and naturally imposes on everything. To me - there is nothing “chaotic” about this practice. Everything that comes from Source is already subject to the order of our mind, will, perception and intuition. This is the Aquarian Age🤘We ARE the Order. There is no chaos - only the perception of chaos due to lack of consciousness.
I have almost the exact same practice as her except I rely on the the animist model more. The pain of being confused and lost in your practice is real. My biggest mistake was not writing everything down. 😅
So would you say that chaos magic is the act of learning, and being in a beginner state? Kind of formless in what you know as you’re questioning everything? (Which is definitely a chaotic state to be in)
I would say yes and no. (How confusing! 😂) There is definitely a difference between a beginner who is questioning everything simply because they don't know what's going on or what path to take... versus an occult practicioner that is actively choosing to paradigm jump to broaden their perspective and find the most efficient way of practicing. To add: chaos magick is primarily about how you perceive magick and how magick works. If you believe that it's your "belief" that drives the spell, then you might be a chaos magick practicioner. I have a video pinned on the top of my channel titled "Chaos Magick & The Avoidance of Dogmatism" that will explain the complexities in much greater detail. ❤️
@@IvyTheOccultist oh interesting! That makes sense! So like intention of finding things not necessarily the act being lost? I’ll look at the video to get more info, thank you for your help! I’m excited to learn about it!
In my personal chaos magick practice I completely disagree with the idea of open vs closed practices. For me, anything is permitted no matter what. If something is considered a "closed practice" but also works for me then I will not avoid my intuition and I will utilise whatever I need to. I've never understood this new age idea anyway. I say let people practice what they want with no barriers or limitations. It's just a magick system at the end of the day. What you choose to do with it is your choice and your choice alone.
A closed practice is closed because they require someone teaching you or its not possible to enter the paradigm. They’re closed because its not physically possible to practice it. Its not a matter of thinking in a certain way.
Fantastic video, I now have a new content creator to go and consume, I've been reading Chaos Magic by Phil Hein, loving it, loved hearing you guys talk about it ❤
Where are your roots, what grounds you. What grants your decernment. Should you not have a connection to that which gifted you the ability to even conceive these thoughtforms.... What of the cosmic laws . Does anyone hear even know the difference between bivecca and trivecca.
Heady!!! That’s so it. I can’t even explain to people how to do this. But I love this. I have background in Buddhism, shamanism, and old Balkan magic. 😂🎉
What a fantastic collaboration!! I could just listen to you ladies all day. Such fantastic information, I’m adding this books to my buy list immediately ❤❤
In my opinion? Chao's magic, is real magic. But for it to work? You have to (really) be in touch with your intuition. If you create a ceremony? Or methods? Your intuition will, let you know what will and won't work. You'll already know what to use.
The ultimate goal for me as a "chaos magician" Ive been working towards the goal of completely eliminating the ritual altogether. The ritual is just the activating mechanism that allows us to manipulate the metaphysical ether connecting everything including our actions and events. The real power occurs in our mind through gnosis. I know I can get to a point where I dont need the ritual. Ive been practicing the "occult" for a long time and understand what is possible. I actually believe that being able to manipulate the metaphysical ether is the next stage for our species. Also contained in the metaphysical ether is our collective unconsciousness.
Huh that's interesting I've never heard of this but it makes a lot of sense I've been a practitioner for none years now and I've rarely been able to have access to tools for spell when most spells and rituals tell you to use massive things this a long with many other things said here like floating among multiple religions I've been there for years and currently
So servitors are basically imaginary friends? 14:55 so you have an imaginary 'servitor' that patrols the perimeter of your property and literally alerts you to actual intruders....?
I have been learning about magick de three molins and have done some potions and spells with success, and feel cert connected with the concept doing and using anything and everything that might work.
I love these interviews but also love when you so vídeos about tour osn practice. You keep inspiring and teaching me a lot every week, no matter the format
Yes!! When Olivia mentioned the part about Assassin’s Creed, that’s exactly what I was thinking of too! The phrase “nothing is true, everything is permitted.” It resonates with me so heavily and it’s funny because now I do consider myself a Chaos Magician. (Coincidentally I recently started following Ivy too❤)
Hehehehe, uhh so if I've been doing Chaos Magic from the start, then what dose my teacher use who has only recently stopped saying "THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS!!"
It's really discouraging to keep listening when opportunity after opportunity to explain a single example is just brushed away. It's like on the one hand a lot of intelligence going on then all the sudden Wham psychological disorder. Almost like blaming the magic he did the night before on why you woke up the next day. It could be profound or nonsense, the difference is details. If you don't give them then it literally means nothing
So I’m just now getting into understanding my chaos magic and so much of this resonates with me. My wife says I make the power flicker in the house when I get mad 😂 but seriously … I’m finally on to something I feel like
Fan of both of you. Super excited when this pop op on my recommended videos- enjoyed the last discussion about plant spirit and death magick and definitely this one as well (chaos magick). The discussion is very cerebral i feel smart and magical while listening to you guys 😅
In response to the satanic creed "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" I would like to answer with this. God is true, and while everything is permitted not everything is encouraged. Also every action upon the world carries with it karmic consequence, which is known as "divine judgement". The occult is hidden for a reason, it seems to me.
Servitor, you were quite close! I recommend checking out The Forty Servants from Tommie Kelly, because his website has all sorts of great info about servitors (and the Forty Servants themselves which are a group of servitor archetypes he created). Tommie is also a chaos magician and just an all around cool dude. Enjoy 🙏
In 1859, Nietzsche wrote that “nothing is true, everything is permitted” was actually the last quote of Hassan-i-Sabbah. The association was further popularized by the 1938 book of Vladimir Bartol, titled Alamut, which served as the inspiration for the original Assassin’s Creed video game.
I have been studying the history of the assassins for years and have resonated with this philosophy for years. Many AC fans form their own sort of brotherhoods I think as a way of seeking like minded communities. and there is definitely a lot of practices used similarly to sigil magick and ceremonial magick.
Chaos magick? Count me in. Liked. Subscribed. Just curious…what happens to our souls when we die? Heaven? Hell? Nothing? If nothing, then atheists win.
you pissed Hekate off!! do you know who she is?? she is THE QUEEN OF THE DAMMED!! SHE IS LUCIFERS WIFE!! HIS MAIN WIFE!! Shes going to drag you through a HELL YOU HAVE NEVER KNOWN!!
So I practice Chaos Magic(k) as a way to keep my mind steered in the direction I want it to travel. That is my definition. And ANYTHING goes... any and every Magickal text, from Kabbalah to Crowley to LaVey, Aquino, Ford, Lovecraft, TV, movies etc. YOU create the tree and the rules and YOU follow with the same discipline as someone who believes that a pin in a voodoo doll will actually cause a victim pain. Or a curse will kill someone. Or a blessing will save someone. Or anything in between or not defined here. You believe, you KNOW, what you are doing has power behind it. This is just a cornerstone explanation.
I love how you're connecting with the community of witches and letting us watch these connections. Just found Ivy myself and there's just something so magnetizing about chaos magick for me. Maybe it's also the low spoon ability of the magic too.
I love how you get your guests' excitement out. It's so clear they love their subject and love someone one on one listening so carefully.
Yesss!!
I feel like chaos magic is knowing the rules and understanding they don't apply to all situations and knowing when to not follow. Not following rules because you "have to" but because you find you want to
If anyone has seen Spirited Away, servitaurs sound almost like the little Soot Sprites that were enchanted to be worker spirits :)
never realized it but after watching this i have been doing chaos magick my whole life.
That is music to my ears! ☺️❤️
same!
Chaos magic is the perfect practice for ADHDers like myself.
I know right?
Word 😂❤
Oh . . . Thats why i found my self doing it without any learning? 😂
The way Ivy explained chaos magic I feel like I've been doing it since childhood without knowing tnat that's what I'm doing.
every practitioner of the occult reaches chaos magic at some point in their development😋
Been a fan of both of you for a long time and am happy you guys did a ''trade off'' interviewing each. Planetary Magick is my favorite...anyways This is a awesome .
Chaos magic sounds like omniism + syncretism on a surface level. Not a bad thing, just interesting that those are what stick out when it's being explained.
Huh, it would seem that I have been practicing chaos magic for years and had no clue it was a defined thing...I thought that was just my personality. 😂
14:45 ok so would you say a servitor is the equivalent of a personal, spiritual, A.I.?
“Nothing is true, all things are permitted”
-Assassin’s Creed
Cicada 3301 has a puzzle hahahahahahHahBahBHHHHB
I have been a practitioner for 28 years and before that very eclectic in practice. Chaos Magick, originally, was based in Peter Carroll's model of Chaos Theory. It is a meta paradigm, not a specific paradigm necessarily. You can practice whatever paradigms you wish specifically for a period of time or you can blend of elements of paradigms magical and otherwise and make your own paradigms. It is not necessarily disordered or "chaotic". When Chaos magicians refer to chaos many mean the primordial and not disorder. There is an excellent workbook written by a friend of mine called "The Paradigmal Pirate" by Joshua Wetzel. Dave Lee has also written some good books.
Im Jewish. In my family for 3,300 years. I add magic to my beliefs. Jewitch. Other religions make no sense to me.
Everything is subject to the mind/Mind and the order that that automatically and naturally imposes on everything. To me - there is nothing “chaotic” about this practice. Everything that comes from Source is already subject to the order of our mind, will, perception and intuition. This is the Aquarian Age🤘We ARE the Order. There is no chaos - only the perception of chaos due to lack of consciousness.
I have almost the exact same practice as her except I rely on the the animist model more. The pain of being confused and lost in your practice is real. My biggest mistake was not writing everything down. 😅
Great video! Great chemistry. Can't wait for the next collab!!
❤️❤️❤️
This sounds like what I've been doing all along. Overcoming brainwashing from my parents and surrounding.
I am so happy I found you both. I have tried so many paths but Chaos Magic seems to fit me so so much. Love and light to you both.
Welcome to the chaos family! ❤️❤️
Chaos magick could speak to scientists who totally believe in chaos. Does anybody else think about scientists? Probably not lol
I really enjoyed this video! I’ll definitely give her a follow! Thank you both!!
So would you say that chaos magic is the act of learning, and being in a beginner state? Kind of formless in what you know as you’re questioning everything? (Which is definitely a chaotic state to be in)
I would say yes and no. (How confusing! 😂) There is definitely a difference between a beginner who is questioning everything simply because they don't know what's going on or what path to take... versus an occult practicioner that is actively choosing to paradigm jump to broaden their perspective and find the most efficient way of practicing. To add: chaos magick is primarily about how you perceive magick and how magick works. If you believe that it's your "belief" that drives the spell, then you might be a chaos magick practicioner. I have a video pinned on the top of my channel titled "Chaos Magick & The Avoidance of Dogmatism" that will explain the complexities in much greater detail. ❤️
@@IvyTheOccultist oh interesting! That makes sense! So like intention of finding things not necessarily the act being lost? I’ll look at the video to get more info, thank you for your help! I’m excited to learn about it!
Love videos like these!! Olivia's interviews are amazing!!
In my personal chaos magick practice I completely disagree with the idea of open vs closed practices. For me, anything is permitted no matter what. If something is considered a "closed practice" but also works for me then I will not avoid my intuition and I will utilise whatever I need to. I've never understood this new age idea anyway. I say let people practice what they want with no barriers or limitations. It's just a magick system at the end of the day. What you choose to do with it is your choice and your choice alone.
YES
👏 👏 👏
A closed practice is closed because they require someone teaching you or its not possible to enter the paradigm. They’re closed because its not physically possible to practice it. Its not a matter of thinking in a certain way.
Fantastic video, I now have a new content creator to go and consume, I've been reading Chaos Magic by Phil Hein, loving it, loved hearing you guys talk about it ❤
Where are your roots, what grounds you. What grants your decernment. Should you not have a connection to that which gifted you the ability to even conceive these thoughtforms.... What of the cosmic laws . Does anyone hear even know the difference between bivecca and trivecca.
Heady!!! That’s so it. I can’t even explain to people how to do this. But I love this. I have background in Buddhism, shamanism, and old Balkan magic. 😂🎉
What a fantastic collaboration!! I could just listen to you ladies all day. Such fantastic information, I’m adding this books to my buy list immediately ❤❤
Yessssss, Justin if you don't buy those chaos magick books... I'm offended 😂
@@IvyTheOccultist alright alright… I’m heading to Amazon now 😂😂😂
In my opinion? Chao's magic, is real magic. But for it to work? You have to (really) be in touch with your intuition. If you create a ceremony? Or methods? Your intuition will, let you know what will and won't work. You'll already know what to use.
I’m a chaos witch? This perfectly describes my journey. Just different terms.
Great interview… love being introduced to other bad ass humans via your yt 🦋
The ultimate goal for me as a "chaos magician" Ive been working towards the goal of completely eliminating the ritual altogether. The ritual is just the activating mechanism that allows us to manipulate the metaphysical ether connecting everything including our actions and events. The real power occurs in our mind through gnosis. I know I can get to a point where I dont need the ritual. Ive been practicing the "occult" for a long time and understand what is possible. I actually believe that being able to manipulate the metaphysical ether is the next stage for our species. Also contained in the metaphysical ether is our collective unconsciousness.
Huh that's interesting I've never heard of this but it makes a lot of sense I've been a practitioner for none years now and I've rarely been able to have access to tools for spell when most spells and rituals tell you to use massive things this a long with many other things said here like floating among multiple religions I've been there for years and currently
So servitors are basically imaginary friends?
14:55 so you have an imaginary 'servitor' that patrols the perimeter of your property and literally alerts you to actual intruders....?
Realy enjoyed this .Thank you for sharing
More voodoo,I need to go to sleep haha,I am in Plano,TX here,They are getting in the way of my sexual appetite
Super exited with this video ❤ Positive vibes to everyone here 🙌🏽✨🤍
Really great! Thanks for doing all these interviews. I really dig the positive vibes I got from this.
In the spirit of chaos I refuse to announce pronouns on principle don’t get jammed into a box
I have been learning about magick de three molins and have done some potions and spells with success, and feel cert connected with the concept doing and using anything and everything that might work.
Chaos magick is my favorite!!
I love these interviews but also love when you so vídeos about tour osn practice. You keep inspiring and teaching me a lot every week, no matter the format
I'd love more info on the courses you both have taken or planning to take.
I would love to learn more about how to do a lucky spell
Hey can you tell me who turned me into a man as a child
Yes!! When Olivia mentioned the part about Assassin’s Creed, that’s exactly what I was thinking of too!
The phrase “nothing is true, everything is permitted.”
It resonates with me so heavily and it’s funny because now I do consider myself a Chaos Magician.
(Coincidentally I recently started following Ivy too❤)
To me (an old Gen X magician), chaos magic is the jazz to ceremonial magic’s classical.
This conversation is fantastic! Thanks to both of you!
I need a reading about my man image
Hehehehe, uhh so if I've been doing Chaos Magic from the start, then what dose my teacher use who has only recently stopped saying "THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS!!"
Interesting parallel that Djehuty/Thoth (The neter of knowledge and wisdom) is associated with Mercury
:D "...there's no cons for me..." followed by "Let's start with the cons" and begins listing! Chaos, man. :D
A lovely witch and teacher also on youtube say all the time TRUST YOUR INTUITION
It's really discouraging to keep listening when opportunity after opportunity to explain a single example is just brushed away. It's like on the one hand a lot of intelligence going on then all the sudden Wham psychological disorder. Almost like blaming the magic he did the night before on why you woke up the next day. It could be profound or nonsense, the difference is details. If you don't give them then it literally means nothing
Loved this episode!!
Law of Attraction
Love it
You definitely have to have this one thing Id learned with US Army Ranger-flexible morals.
Need I say more?!?
Her definition sounds like any kind of magic. Not sure why she calls that chaos? What is different about it ?
Huh… I’m a chaos magician. I didn’t know I was, but I totally fit that definition, and I’d get along with her really well.
So I’m just now getting into understanding my chaos magic and so much of this resonates with me. My wife says I make the power flicker in the house when I get mad 😂 but seriously … I’m finally on to something I feel like
Fan of both of you. Super excited when this pop op on my recommended videos- enjoyed the last discussion about plant spirit and death magick and definitely this one as well (chaos magick). The discussion is very cerebral i feel smart and magical while listening to you guys 😅
I don't think we're supposed to stifle our ego entirely. I think total ego death is a huge mistake.
Thank you for the shout out! I am so happy you dug the course!
wow i've been practising in line with chaos magic for years without knowing it!😊😊
Thank you so much! I learned a ton and I can’t wait to read the books suggested!
Magic is a algorithm Hebrew exemplifies this
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Interesting, the way I say what I believe in, is I believe in everything and nothing at the same time.
6:03 😎
❤🙏
This is one of my favorite interviews you have done. In love ❤️ 😍
Yep I am constantly overwhelmed 😂
I think i was born for chaos magick!
Oh hey, love to see chaos magick represented!
Wow this was so interesting getting this books today
What does she mean by servatores ❓😐
Absolutely FAAAAAANtaastic episode!!
My Mentor is a Chaos Magician
I’m the same as you twins
Tick point talk point
In response to the satanic creed "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" I would like to answer with this. God is true, and while everything is permitted not everything is encouraged. Also every action upon the world carries with it karmic consequence, which is known as "divine judgement". The occult is hidden for a reason, it seems to me.
you get to use chao left hand and order right hand left negative black charge right poitive right hand
add charkra
to mold
right hand is God covenant hand
What is a servator? I'm sure that's spelled wrong 330 - 341 mind and seconds she mentions this
Servitor, you were quite close! I recommend checking out The Forty Servants from Tommie Kelly, because his website has all sorts of great info about servitors (and the Forty Servants themselves which are a group of servitor archetypes he created). Tommie is also a chaos magician and just an all around cool dude. Enjoy 🙏
@@claremiller9979 Thank u so much 💓
@@TheDementedBabe Ivy has a whole video about them and how to make them
"nothing is true, everything is permited" isn't that from assassins creed?
In 1859, Nietzsche wrote that “nothing is true, everything is permitted” was actually the last quote of Hassan-i-Sabbah.
The association was further popularized by the 1938 book of Vladimir Bartol, titled Alamut, which served as the inspiration for the original Assassin’s Creed video game.
@@IvyTheOccultist oh thats interesting, thank you for teaching me
I have been studying the history of the assassins for years and have resonated with this philosophy for years. Many AC fans form their own sort of brotherhoods I think as a way of seeking like minded communities. and there is definitely a lot of practices used similarly to sigil magick and ceremonial magick.
When you realize half-way through this video that you've been doing chaos magic this whole entire fucking time 🥴
What is the difference between a magician and a witch, it feels the same. Just beings trying to spiritually evolve in different ways.
Omg😂😂where is olivya in intro?
I stopped doing intros due to complaints
Chaos magick? Count me in. Liked. Subscribed. Just curious…what happens to our souls when we die? Heaven? Hell? Nothing? If nothing, then atheists win.
As a folk magic witch and an initiated witch and occultist I have to tell you chaos magic is not real.
I work with Tiamat that is a strong Dragoness godess for the caos magic elements
Short hair looks really cute ❤❤❤
you pissed Hekate off!! do you know who she is?? she is THE QUEEN OF THE DAMMED!! SHE IS LUCIFERS WIFE!! HIS MAIN WIFE!! Shes going to drag you through a HELL YOU HAVE NEVER KNOWN!!
Do you really think Gods actually care about the thoughts of puny humans? Most likely they don't give a shit
So in reality I’ve had servators and didn’t even realise 👍🫶🏽🙏
You lost me at pronouns 😅
So I practice Chaos Magic(k) as a way to keep my mind steered in the direction I want it to travel. That is my definition. And ANYTHING goes... any and every Magickal text, from Kabbalah to Crowley to LaVey, Aquino, Ford, Lovecraft, TV, movies etc. YOU create the tree and the rules and YOU follow with the same discipline as someone who believes that a pin in a voodoo doll will actually cause a victim pain. Or a curse will kill someone. Or a blessing will save someone. Or anything in between or not defined here. You believe, you KNOW, what you are doing has power behind it. This is just a cornerstone explanation.
Isn't Order magic more powerful?