How Does a Global Flood Explain the Order of the Fossil Record? - Dr. Kurt Wise
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In the Pocket Wilderness of Tennessee, paleontologist Kurt Wise talks to Del Tackett about fossil plants and how important they are for understanding the fossil record. He then uses the order in which major plant groups first appear in the fossil record to demonstrate some of the unique biomes of the pre-Flood world--such as a floating forest--and explain the unique order of fossils laid down during the global Flood.
Dr. Wise earned his BA in geology from the University of Chicago, and his MA and PhD degrees in paleontology from Harvard University. He founded and directed the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College and taught biology there for 17 years. He then led the Center for Theology and Science at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for 3 years, before founding and directing the Center for Creation Research and teaching biology at Truett McConnell University for the last 7 years.
His fieldwork has included research in early Flood rocks in the Death Valley region, late Flood rocks in Wyoming, and post-Flood caves in Tennessee.
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Dr. Kurt is amazing. He breaks down everything very well and makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you for sharing this! God bless and may He keep you safe.
Dr Kurt is such a good communicator & so enthusiastic - very easy to listen & learn from.
There’s a nature center near Syracuse, NY that has bogs. I’ve been there many times. I went as a child for a school field trip, then went again with each of my own kids. During one of the nature tours, our guide had us all do the jumping experiment that Dr. Wise described. I remember it being a very odd sensation, we were… “bouncing” on what should have been solid ground.
Awesome thanks
The floating forest theory Dr. Wise champions is incredibly intriguing and appears to have merit. We know the antediluvian world was wildly different from the post-Flood epoch; it seems highly likely this pre-Flood biome was entirely lost as a result of the cataclysm and offers an explanation for some of what we see in the fossil record. One thing is sure: the world desperately needs more out-of-the-box thinking with respect to human origins and to the fossil record, the box being evolutionism. Thank you, IGH, for your staunch profession of God and for the truth of His creative act in the first week to a world almost completely consumed by Darwinian thought. I am proud to stand alongside you.
Peat only accumulates in bogs & swamps though. Which is still kinda cool but it'd be just like draining a resorvior & planting trees.
And we can stray away from evolution but theres no reason to abandon it, It checks out hundreds of ways
@@slingslang2934 For example?
@Atheist Deprogramming thanks. most if not all the questions like that are just exploiting what we don't know about our origin though. It doesn't defuse any of the evidences brought forth.
Life was & can still be self replicating/hermaphrodite though, I would assume (for whatever reason??) some genes or organisms ended up with male predominant or female dominant roles
@Atheist Deprogramming Theres quite a few. Though for as to why winged animals like birds, bats & pterosaurs are examples of convergent evolution is, They're not closely related, they don't share much anatomy, & they have different genes for their wings.
there are many other examples of vestigial organs too. maybe our coccyx & fingernails still have purposes though not the original purpose. Some other examples are manatee hips, older fossils like the pezosiren had legs as well to correlate. Some manatee species lost their nails as well. All said, them being mammals & being related to mammals makes sense. there's also horses which have vestigial toe bones, nudibranchs with vestigial shells which they abandon, squids & some octopus that also have what's left of a shell. Cetaceans still have hips too, & snakes & legless lizards have vestigial leg bones. Theres fossil evidence for these too, though nudibranchs are simply a family of mollusks that quickly abandon the shell. And legs/nubs on some legless lizards is pretty much enough evidence that they've changed.
so why lose these organs if their useful? Most likely the answer is their not useful, so not used. For instance legless lizards, snakes, whales, & manatees all move around with their body & tail, they don't move using their limbs, or atleast their hindlimbs (which they don't have) :(
@Atheist Deprogramming radiometric dates can be accurate too actually. and any errors should be easily identifiable. unfortunately information on the matter found on creationist forums cant be trusted though. Many times people have dated should be depleted carbon items & show that carbon isotopes still exist, though alpha particles from other atoms will still exist therfor the impression of carbon isotopes. random mutations don't sound that gretto by the sound of it. uh i forget, but our genes are aslo regulated in ways where our body can even read our dna differently, & genes which are used are more likely expressed. Its called epigenetics i guess apparently
I have observed lots of the fossils shown in the drawings in underground coal mines in Appalachia
What i find amazing is that deep underground, you are literally among God's creations, you are among the living fossils that Adam and Eve LITERALLY saw and likely touched in life. What an amazing experience.
If i could LIKE this more than once i would.
This and the is Genesis history series are condensed scholarships information. I've watched many of them several times and am starting to sound just less than stoopid! These men have devoted lifetimes to their specific area of study. I've devoted many hours of pondering and get it but don't grasp these things other than I fully understand that YHVH, the SAVIOR of All, including the heavens, and everything with the breath of life created the universe and made everything to happen according to HIS plan
@@jujubhee Amen
I absolutely love learning about our true history. So incredibly fascinating! Thank you!
I so love listening to someone who is intelligent and has a Christian perspective and not exuding dogma. Thanks for the series!!!
@Michael Fritsche - *Smells own farts* Ohhh why don't you silly, silly religious nutters come over to the side of facts and light. Science is perfect and, oh my!, so beautiful.
I f*cking love science.
Ps sorry about creating nuclear weapons and napalm lolz!
@@colinthomson5358 Well you're an odd fella aren't ya? You must be a Frenchman.
He described it so well I could see it in my minds eye , and it all makes perfect sense
I am a born again believer. Believe Genesis is literal, believe in the flood. But since I started watching these videos in this series one question keeps creeping into my mind. All these fossils, creatures, plants... where are the buried human bodies? It is not a damage to my faith. Not questioning the truthfulness of the Bible. Not questioning God, but I have never heard any mention of such. Are these the strange "pre-modern man" humanoids that are found? All the water, mud, pressure, etc., change human bodies as well?
It's not just humans that are missing from the Flood-derived fossil record. Most mammals, birds and flowering plants are absent as well. These organisms seem to represent an ecological community that existed before the Flood, but was not preserved in the fossil record like the communities inhabited by dinosaurs or trilobites. One suggestion as to why this is so is that these organisms were living near a subduction zone (where the ocean floor plunges into the Earth's interior) that became activated during the Flood and were completely destroyed. Another possibility advocated by some creation scientists is that the streams that watered the region around Eden (Genesis 2:6,10) might have been fed by one of the "fountains of the great deep" which broke open during the Flood. If the mammals, birds and humans were living near this region, then the break-up of this spring may have resulted in their total destruction. The precise reason for the absence of this human/mammal/flowering plant community from the Flood fossil record awaits further insights from future research.
Habitat, population and intelligence play big roles also. 5000 years ago (before the flood), the global human population was only about 40 million people. In Genesis during the creation, the whole earth was populated with animals, but only 2 humans were present. Humans are smarter than any other organism, so they would have climbed hills and mountains before drowning while less intelligent creatures would have been engulfed and buried sooner. Birds have hollow bones and fly, so naturally they would be found towards the top also.
Just a theory but small mammals and human sized creatures are great fish food. Not plants or large creatures. I assume the fish did not die in the flood since there are not referenced of being on the ark and are still in existence.
J B - *Though the Flood was Global, the conditions for actual fossilization were not.* Fossilization requires high temperatures, high pressures, and supersaturated water. That *very specific environment* only existed in *various locations,* and for *limited time-periods.* Only a tiny percentage of creatures were actually fossilized, and most of those were caught in the early stages of the Flood. The bulk of the floodwater came *from inside the Earth,* and *so did most of the sediments* that they are found buried in, which is why the *vast majority of fossils are marine fossils.*
Animals occupying lowlands would have been caught next if they didn't (or couldn't) make it to higher ground. Those creatures either living at *higher altitudes* or scrambling to *higher ground* to survive would have been among the last to die and least likely to be fossilized. *Humans being intelligent and resourceful* would have mostly made it to high ground and though dying anyway, would have been much *less likely to be fossilized* in hydro-thermal, high-pressure water *at the bottom of the Floodwaters thousands of feet below.*
*Fossilized animals* have been found at Clovis (pre-flood people) sites. Not only are they fossilized, but some have the *Clovis Point arrowheads and spearheads still embedded in them.* Since virtually all lithified fossils were *created during the Flood* (because that is literally the ONLY time in Earth's history that the conditions for organic lithification were extant), we can know that *these pre-flood animals were hunted and wounded or killed by the pre-flood Clovis People.*
There most likely are actual human fossils that have *yet to be discovered.* Nobody thinks we have found ALL of the fossils that exist in the Earth. *One must wonder, if such human fossils were to be found.. would we be told?* Or would they be hidden away and denied like the many fossils of giant humans that have been unearthed over the last 2 centuries. Perhaps some HAVE been discovered..?
@@IsGenesisHistory That seems like a silly explanation. Flowers grow all over the world, not just near subduction zones. It is strange also that angiosperm pollen is not found until the Mesozoic era.
Absolutely fascinating! Not a scientist but find the information in these videos wonderful and so informative! Thank you for putting out such quality.
Hey Patton the information we get from “scientists” is so tainted, tell people when we have opinions from 50% left and 50% right it may be worth looking at30% right 70%left opinion being used is not very scientific, it’s propaganda.
Question Dr. Kurt? Since the eco system from before the flood does not exist and we cannot assume that it is similar to our present time, how do you determine which attributes from our current eco system still apply when looking at fossil records?
Loved story of quaking bog.
Wish these guys would visit Vantage, Wa where there is a lot of huge, petrified tree trunks. .
Excellent, as always. Do you have a video explaining how the plants that exist today survived the Flood?
There are scientific papers on AiG’s website that explain how plants survived.
This might be too simple an answer but I would guess that many seeds would float / be carried all over the globe and take root once the water level went back down.
@@ronaldhuddleston9527 yeah that’s completely plausible, I agree, we also know there was some foliage at least due to the branch of the dove
Interestingly enough, I have to branches my dog broke off a bush two years ago that I have had in water and they are still alive! They are starting to look pretty sick, but still, that really blew my mind!
Im from England but i would love to meet and chat with these very knowledgeable and intellectual people !
Lots of assertions that are unneeded where common circumstances can easily suffice.
Good thing he went to that floating forest when he was young! What a cool story, and how it ties in to his research. Synchronicity.
Loved watching this.
Thank you 🙏
Its rlly cool but this would only work in a swamp unfortunately, they have the acids that hault decomposition. And reeds & stuff eventually gets waterlogged
SlingSlang unless they were designed differently than modern day plants
@@fyrerayne8882 Then we're making a theory without evidence.
If you can find plants that don't get waterlogged & grow along the ocean though then it would be more plausible.
@@slingslang2934 Wise has actually discussed the evidence for different sorts of plants that would not be waterlogged if you look at his more extensive published work. So it's not merely an ad hoc construct.
@@Charles-Pettibone Do you mind explaining more? There's plants like reeds that can take several years to sink but they still do. So the people that make islands out of reeds still need to re-apply reeds every few months.
I just love your work and can't get enough of it. I'm not arguing but rather just bringing up a perspective. Genesis 1:9 says, "And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." This to me would indicate one large land mass and one large ocean instead of multiple continents.
This is magnificent!
@Christus Mea LuxThe islands are cool but theyd only float in swamps because the acids prevent decay. So I claim conspiracy theory on the subject of floating forest.
I'm not a flood catastrophist, but I really appreciate this new model of why we find a specific order in the fossil record. It's the norm in science that new paradigms come from outside the consensus.
I'd have two questions: (1) Does this floating bogs theory fill a hole in the earlier Flood geology models? (2) Dr. Wise suggested that 95% of the time, there's no correlation between the type of animal & the layer it's in. Does this mean that fossil hunters are frequently finding, say, bison fossils in the Jurassic period? (That's, of course, just one example.) If this is true, please lead with this - it's important information!
Thank you so much for these documentaries
We love you guys and thanks for telling us the truth
@Is Genesis History?, I'm very interested in when Stone Mtn. in GA was formed. Is it part of the original craton or was it formed in a volcano?
@Michael Fritsche Yes, I know it's granite. Granite is formed from cooled underground magma. But thanks!
@Michael Fritsche I trust God over man's theories.
@Michael Fritsche You can tell God that when he casts you into hell.
What's amazing is that a twice fallen world could still retain such variety and beauty. It's difficult to imagine how fabulous it all was originally!
The floating continents reminded me of "Perelandra," the 2nd book of C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy.
Hi just a question ,Do we know if the water was fresh or saline
Thanks for your question @robertmartin1658,
The waters God used to flood the earth in the days of Noah were largely the same waters that covered the earth before God created dry land on Day 3 (2 Peter 3:5-6). This was when God raised the land, and the covering waters were gathered to form the seas. The waters receding from the newly formed landmasses would have caused lots of erosion, which in turn also carried salts into the ocean along with them. Since the water in the pre-Flood ocean was the same water that flooded the earth in Noah's time, it is fairly safe to assume that the Flood was primarily saltwater.
I enjoy these videos very much
Coal beds are associated with marine fossils. Antediluvian floating continents would explain that.
Amazing and most important believable.. well done
Outstanding, thank you.
Love these videos but could someone number them in correct order so we can stay in order of conversation?? Awesome but it would be easier to follow and to learn about the flood:) God bless u both🙏✝️
no flood
Man God is cool 😎 I’m tellin ya ❤️Praise the Lord Jesus Christ ✝️
Amen.
@1200 now the bible says there was no rain upon the earth so the lakes would be used to help the plants grow? having hallow plants would make it easier for them to float?
I have a fish fossil collection from the mountains of Lebanon where I lived. According to the book I have with it, they probably died in a ocean area with lack of oxygen around 100 million years ago. Were then covered with sand and were pushed up when the continents met and created the two rows of Mount Lebanon with the Bekaa Valley in between. Logical? Or would the global flood provide a better explanation? And if the global flood was truly global and cover the whole earth, where did all the water come from?
70% of the earth is covered with water and National Geo reckons, if Polar ice melts, the sea levels will rise by 215 feet.
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But.. much of the ocean water is contained in valleys (ocean trenches) which are as deep as the mountains are high.
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*Psalms 104:5-10* _He set the earth on its foundations;
it can never be moved. You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight; they flowed over the mountains, they_ *went down into the valleys,* _to the place you assigned for them. You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth. He makes springs pour_ *water into the ravines; it flows between the mountains.*
AND before the Flood, the geography was a lot different. The Earth did not have the very high mountains or the deep ocean trenches.
Fountains of the deep. There are oceans in the earth. We have recently detected these oceans.
If the earth's surface was flatter there would be more than a mile or two of water covering the entire planet. The water is still here in abundance. "The mountains rose up and valleys sank down"(wish I remembered the verse). The planet was literally ripped appart and devastated.
I like the idea. But how did this floating forest ends up moving to still existing continents ?
I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly, but I don't think that Dr. Kurt was implying that these potential "floating forests" was the only type of "land" that existed prior to the flood (if you can even call this type of "floating forest" land...?). But this was only one potential biome that existed in the pre-flood era.
There would still have been other land masses / continents (or perhaps one large continent that later separated into many continents during the time of the flood or shortly after...)
Some creationists propose that there was a massive change happening in terms of tectonic plates shifting and moving and rising to form mountains and sinking to form deep parts of the ocean during the time of the flood. In fact, I have heard on other videos similar to this one that if the mountains were not raised up and the oceans did not have deep trenches, then there could EASILY be enough water to flood the WHOLE Earth. Perhaps the tectonic plates shifting to form deep ocean basins and various continents and mountains on the continents was part of the means through which the flood waters began to subside... I don't know... just a theory.... hope that helps...
Seems for all we know the great fountains of the deep could have been water breaking upwards through a floating world wide continent. Then plate tectonics made the world we see now.
Let’s ignore all the blatantly false assertions made in in this movies and abstruse theories. But how do you explain the tens of thousands of Marine species hat went extinct and we find as fossils in deep sea sediments? Did marine organisms drown in the great flood?
The Flood was not simply bad weather and a monotonic rise in global sea level. For one thing, Genesis 7:11 records two mechanisms responsible for causing the Flood: torrential rain and water surging from the breaking up of "all the fountains" of the "great deep". The "breaking up" implies large-scale volcanic and tectonic activity.
Untold numbers of marine lifeforms perished and were subsequently buried during the Flood due to side effects of catastrophic movements of the earth's tectonic plates. These would have included earthquakes, tsunami-like waves, and underwater landslides.
Please check out our video featuring geologist Steve Austin, who has done considerable research on a marine fossil site in the Grand Canyon region made up of nautiloids (an extinct squid-like animal).
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This interview with Marcus Ross may also be of interest:
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@@IsGenesisHistory But how would things like ash from those volcanoes get laid evenly without contamination during a wordwide catastrophic flood?
hmmmm how could they drown they have gills
Very cool info!
I could listen to Dr Kurt Wise all day.
dr unwise
Continent sized floating forests! What have you been smoking Kurt? lol
Mindblowing stuff
More than one continent in the antedeluvian world? Not according to Gen 1:9. A single continent also fits with the geological record.
It is such a delight to hear a different perspective, a biblical perspective. I wish this were taught in our public schools. Maybe then we would have diversity of thought and tolerance - just maybe. May God bless both of you and everyone involved in making these videos.
Thanks for your opinion.
How do you define mythology? Be advised, It is not my responsibility / desire / intention to convince or change your mind (or anyone else’s). Look elsewhere. Otherwise, I leave an open invitation to dialogue.
You are correct. I asked how you define mythology. We can start there.
Captivating wit and intellect.
I find it quite ironic that A floating forest goes extinct from A global flood also I don't know if it's just me but the host sounds like Mike Rowe from dirty jobs
He has no biblical evidence for a young earth theory....God created the universe and the earth way back in eternity past.... before God made man.
I have a point of divergence from this young earth theory. Starting in Genesis 1:1 the Hebrew Bible is beautiful in language. At one time when the Jews were taken into Babylonian captivity, most of the Jews quit using Hebrew and began to speak Greek. By the time Jesus came along they were all speaking Greek. When Jesus quoted the Bible He almost always quoted the Greek Septugent. The apostle Paul said that he was a Hebrew of Hebrews, one of the few who could speak Hebrew. A Hebrew congregation is called a Synagogue, which is a Greek word. When the Jews were taken down to Babylon they learned to speak Greek and studied the Greek Septugent which is the a translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek. (Around 300BC). The Septugent is not by any means a perfect translation. While the Jews were in Babylonian captivity, they were infected with Babylonian concepts of creation, where God created chaos and out of chaos He created order. So when the Jews translated the Hebrew Bible into the Greek Septugent, they incorporated their Babylonian idea of creation. In the Hebrew Bible, Genesis 1:1 the word "beginning and Heaven" are plural, but in the Greek Septugent and the KJV they are singular. The Hebrew word Bara is third person, masculine, singular and perfect tense. Third person is "He" masculine, singular...so in the first verse of the Hebrew Bible we know there is only one God. Now for the Jews there's a problem, the word is perfect tense....it's finished. God didn't begin to create the heavens and the earth, it's done. And that's where they get the Idea of evolution from, saying He began to create the heavens and the earth. Now the king James used the same idea because it was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which was translated from the Greek Septugent, which is why we have all these problems with the young earth theory. God created perfection, God is a creator of perfection. When God created the Angels and Spirits, He created them perfect. But a third of all the Angels and Spirits became imperfect because of their own volition. So inBeginnings בְּרֵאשִׁית (in one of the beginning) created בָּרָא (brought to the final order, Elohim אֱלֹהִים thats God. The word Elohim is plural, (three or more). Now there aren't three God's because God is triune, like us, we are made in His image, body, soul and spirit. God made us in His shadow casting likeness, blood flowing likeness and spiritual likeness, in God's image, in the image of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We will only see one triune God in eternity. Colossians and Hebrews tells us that God created the heavens and the earth, that God spoke creation into existence.
The אֵת
whole universe הַשָּׁמַיִם
and וְאֵת
הָאָרֶץ
earth (the dry land as opposed to wet ground)
And this is what the Hebrew Bible really sais in Genesis 1:1. You can either accept what the Bible says historically or you don't. God inspired the Bible in the Hebrew and Greek languages and it is God breathed. But the problem with most of the religious world today is that they believe the King James version is inspired, or that the American Standard version is inspired, or the New International Version is inspired, or that the Living Translation is inspired, or that the Amplified Bible version is inspired. The Bible is only inspired in its original languages and if you really want to know what the Bible says, don't just take some translator's word for it, go to the original inspired texts in the languages the Bible was inspired in. The Hebrew Bible is inspired by God Himself, but the Greek Septugent that Jesus used in His time, was a translation of the Hebrew Bible, so it's not perfect. Many times Jesus corrected the translation of the Greek Septugent. The Holy Word of God is the Bible in the original Hebrew text. Many of the translations we read today are not translations, but interpretations. Translations and interpretations are two different things. The Catholic church (Jerome) took the Hebrew and Greek, Scriptures and translated then into Latin then from 400AD to 800AD persecuted anyone who had in their possession Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. Only wealthy educated officials, doctors and lawyers who read Latin could afford Jerome's Latin translation of the Bible. Because of violent Catholic State/Church persecution, it became a requirement that Baptist preachers memorise all 150 Psalms in Hebrew and the four Gospels in Greek. The psalms are full of prophesy. Psalm 23 and John 10:1, "I am the good shepherd". Satan has done everything he could, to destroy every copy of the inspired Word of God. He even had the Textus Recepus made, which is a translation from Greek and Hebrew into Latin and then back into Greek, and there's some loss there. Sadly many people accept the Textus Recepus as the bonafide received inspired word from God. The 1611 King James translation is a very biased translation, because it was translated by King James for the state church of England. If anyone dared protest inaccuracies in the translation, they would die a gruesome death, burnt at the stake. So many Christians were burned at the stake that they ran out of fire wood and the Baptist's were blamed for the shortage. Despite these atrocities many churches and private schools are still King James only, believing that the 1611 king James translation is the inspired word of God. And the same goes for the young earth theory which has no biblical foundation.
KJV Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Verse 1 - Literally translated
א בְּרֵאשִׁית.
InBeginnings
It is one word in the original language which is why it's joined together. There is no definite article. The original language has a definite article but Moses did not use it. The word for beginnings is an old plural. The Idea - at some point in the beginnings, one of the beginnings, we don't know which, but a beginning out of all of them.
בָּרָא
Created
The verb comes before the subject and would be better translated as "had created" The form of the verb is perfect tense, meaning completed, done, brought to perfection. In the first verse of Genesis we have the earth existing in a finished starte. Dinosaurs, vegetation and life we cannot imagine existing already. The earth was in a complete state.
KJV Genesis 1:2
and the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם
(Does God have a Spirt? No, "God is Spirt" John 4:24)
I fully agree but just like scientists creationists come up with theories using the advantage of the scriptures but in all things they are just theories the earth was never the same after the flood so the pre-flood world is lost to history with the exeption of those who lived before who are known in scripture are the exeption and trust me i read every word and i accept the bible as historical abd im not calling you stupid you obviously you took your time to put this together i never heard of this sep book thing and at the moment i am reading about it in the encyclopedia brittanica but im no scholar and yes i have grown up with KJV but i also called my grandfather to get information in which he debates and talks about the scripture mostly basing it on paul of the book you are implying and he was able to give me the information i needed and he said that the gospel was made by the holy spirit (yes im a protestant) and given to men so the stuff you are telling me is way out of my leaugue but i did my best and im hoping to hear from you soon God bless and have A wonderful day
Can you give a sentence or two summary so we know what your complaint is, @@dgrewar?
Why Do You Seem So Sketchy And Rushed In The Beginning Of The Video
It's such a wonderful thing to listen to Dr. Kurt Wise, I love it when he gets excited about these things. Our Lord Jesus is so great! I'm so happy that we have someone who knows what he's doing and talking about. When he gets excited about these things is such a calling! Because you know he's telling the truth! ♥️🥰♥️
Thank God for these people. Too bad their books and papers are not used in schools.
There's no strong basis in this video unfortunately, they are sharing theories they pondered at the time
so, with science the order or sequence would be 1.sea creatures 2. flying creatures (pterosaur etc.) 3. land animals 4. humans and the biblical order of creation in the bible is the same except that on the 5th day God created sea creatures and birds in the modern translations but the Hebrew uses the word "oph" and that pertains to flying creatures like pterosaur or mosquitoes or birds (plural) So before science gave us this order from their findings the bible already told us the sequence. And birds came from the land animals.
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Can we call it a floating continent, on which there were various types of animals but no humans?
The Bible clearly states there was only one continent, so it would be preferable to avoid confusion by using a special name for these floating worlds.
To me this sounds like the earth in those days, was more like what we would consider a zoo.
You think?
Excellent.
No wonder why hydroponics work so well
I don't understand we people can't see tis as one event
I wish I could have watched it....From a spaceship. The Grand Canyon must have been in a basin to collect the layers without runoff. Layers cant develop on a slope. Then there must have been the mother of all upthrusts. Waves of total destruction in and from all directions. Well if you are going to make an omelette....
Yeah the grand canyon wouldve been part of the Western Interior seaway.
Which can explain the marine fossils, limestone & shale layers. And yeah the upthrust of the grand canyon making it 6000ft in elevation is from two continents colliding and forming the rocky mountains, similar to how other mountain ranges are formed.
The grand canyon is about a mile deep too so yeah that area must have collected a TON of sediment even though about nearly half of the 4 billion years of earth was scraped away in that area
Fossils only really form in water & Marine animals live in water. Big coincidence
Buckeye Lake in Ohio had trees growing on a floating mat at one time. Not sure if it is still around today.
Perhaps initially there were floating silts, small rocks, and or sands / floating pumice stone and then plants that over time grown on top of each other and piled up yet constantly fans out to the open and spread out gradually where the edges are thin with small floras.
Below are videos of floating islands in lake Titicaca and floating pumice raft going towards Australia...
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Those are actually really cool thanks.
Though I must say that unless cornerned in a Grove then enough material to form a platform for vegetation wouldnt be reached to form an island. And I say that because pumice eventually is waterlogged & they say the Reed type stuff eventually sinks as well & they have atleast a Meter thick of it. & reeds also become waterlogged too unfortunately
Easily. It doesn't , really.
the if flood killed all no human skeleton is seen in fossil why?
That's a good question, Benny. But surely as the waters rose, all humans would have headed for the highest ground or gotten into every boat and ship available. I also wonder if they really haven't been found. I suspect that if a paleontologist or archaeologist finds a human fossil, they'll assume the column has been contaminated and abandon it because they think they _know_ that humans "evolved" much "later".
BENNY JOSEPH - *Though the Flood was Global, the conditions for actual fossilization were not.* Fossilization requires high temperatures, high pressures, and supersaturated water. That *very specific environment* only existed in *various locations,* and for *limited time-periods.* Only a tiny percentage of creatures were actually fossilized, and most of those were caught in the early stages of the Flood. The bulk of the floodwater came *from inside the Earth,* and *so did most of the sediments* that they are found buried in, which is why the *vast majority of fossils are marine fossils.*
Animals occupying lowlands would have been caught next if they didn't (or couldn't) make it to higher ground. Those creatures either living at *higher altitudes* or scrambling to *higher ground* to survive would have been among the last to die and least likely to be fossilized. *Humans being intelligent and resourceful* would have mostly made it to high ground and though dying anyway, would have been much *less likely to be fossilized* in hydro-thermal, high-pressure water *at the bottom of the Floodwaters thousands of feet below.*
*Fossilized animals* have been found at Clovis (pre-flood people) sites. Not only are they fossilized, but some have the *Clovis Point arrowheads and spearheads still embedded in them.* Since virtually all lithified fossils were *created during the Flood* (because that is literally the ONLY time in Earth's history that the conditions for organic lithification were extant), we can know that *these pre-flood animals were hunted and wounded or killed by the pre-flood Clovis People.*
There most likely are actual human fossils that have *yet to be discovered.* Nobody thinks we have found ALL of the fossils that exist in the Earth. *One must wonder, if such human fossils were to be found.. would we be told?* Or would they be hidden away and denied like the many fossils of giant humans that have been unearthed over the last 2 centuries. Perhaps some HAVE been discovered..?
That's an *excellent* answer, @@freemind...
Ken Jackson what about their stone tools? What about their buried dead? Those should be preserved deep in the fossil record but they are not there, they are only found in the upper layers. why?
Pumpkinseed valley Not everything gets fossilized. This process requires special conditions. And what if the territory where people mostly lived is now at the bottom of a sea or ocean...? Remember legends about Atlantida?
Absolute rubbish, you can safely say anyone taught by this guy as part of their geology degree won't be getting a job, if this guy worked for a mining or mineral exploration company and had any influence over their exploration program they would go broke.
In other words, the reason fish-o-pods (low lying amphibians who must have dry land that floats on water) were not included in Noah's ark is because God already knew that such habitats wouldn't exist after the flood. Wow! Noah must've truly been horrified to see the world that was left over. He probably had an inkling by what he saw board the ark and what didn't. Life is tragic in it's beauty.
Kinda depressing actually, the amount of life that couldn’t and wouldn’t survive after the flood, all the biodiversity gone, maybe that’s why ecosystems today are so broken, the key plants and animals are gone
There's others that need land still & even freshwater like manatees & dolpins.
The peat island would be cool too but they'd only appear in some swamps though since that's where acid is able to build up & hault the decaying process.
Wise is a fraudster and anyone believing his lies a victim. Discredited by science he's now a fully financed member of team apologetics.
Here's my point of divergence on young earth theory. Starting in Genesis 1:1 the Hebrew Bible is beautiful in language. At one time when the Jews were taken into Babylonian captivity, most of the Jews quit using Hebrew and began to speak Greek. By the time Jesus came along they were all speaking Greek. When Jesus quoted the Bible He almost always quoted the Greek Septugent. The apostle Paul said that he was a Hebrew of Hebrews, one of the few who could speak Hebrew. A Hebrew congregation is called a Synagogue, which is a Greek word. When the Jews were taken down to Babylon they learned to speak Greek and studied the Greek Septugent which is the a translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek. (Around 300BC). The Septugent is not by any means a perfect translation. While the Jews were in Babylonian captivity, they were infected with Babylonian concepts of creation, where God created chaos and out of chaos He created order. So when the Jews translated the Hebrew Bible into the Greek Septugent, they incorporated their Babylonian idea of creation. In the Hebrew Bible, Genesis 1:1 the word "beginning and Heaven" are plural, but in the Greek Septugent and the KJV they are singular. The Hebrew word Bara is third person, masculine, singular and perfect tense. Third person is "He" masculine, singular...so in the first verse of the Hebrew Bible we know there is only one God. Now for the Jews there's a problem, the word is perfect tense....it's finished. God didn't begin to create the heavens and the earth, it's done. And that's where they get the Idea of evolution from, saying He began to create the heavens and the earth. Now the king James used the same idea because it was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which was translated from the Greek Septugent, which is why we have all these problems with the young earth theory. God created perfection, God is a creator of perfection. When God created the Angels and Spirits, He created them perfect. But a third of all the Angels and Spirits became imperfect because of their own volition. So inBeginnings בְּרֵאשִׁית (in one of the beginning) created בָּרָא (brought to the final order, Elohim אֱלֹהִים thats God. The word Elohim is plural, (three or more). Now there aren't three God's because God is triune, like us, we are made in His image, body, soul and spirit. God made us in His shadow casting likeness, blood flowing likeness and spiritual likeness, in God's image, in the image of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We will only see one triune God in eternity. Colossians and Hebrews tells us that God created the heavens and the earth, that God spoke creation into existence.
The אֵת
whole universe הַשָּׁמַיִם
and וְאֵת
הָאָרֶץ
earth (the dry land as opposed to wet ground)
And this is what the Hebrew Bible really sais in Genesis 1:1. You can either accept what the Bible says historically or you don't. God inspired the Bible in the Hebrew and Greek languages and it is God breathed. But the problem with most of the religious world today is that they believe the King James version is inspired, or that the American Standard version is inspired, or the New International Version is inspired, or that the Living Translation is inspired, or that the Amplified Bible version is inspired. The Bible is only inspired in its original languages and if you really want to know what the Bible says, don't just take some translator's word for it, go to the original inspired texts in the languages the Bible was inspired in. The Hebrew Bible is inspired by God Himself, but the Greek Septugent that Jesus used in His time, was a translation of the Hebrew Bible, so it's not perfect. Many times Jesus corrected the translation of the Greek Septugent. The Holy Word of God is the Bible in the original Hebrew text. Many of the translations we read today are not translations, but interpretations. Translations and interpretations are two different things. The Catholic church (Jerome) took the Hebrew and Greek, Scriptures and translated then into Latin then from 400AD to 800AD persecuted anyone who had in their possession Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. Only wealthy educated officials, doctors and lawyers who read Latin could afford Jerome's Latin translation of the Bible. Because of violent Catholic State/Church persecution, it became a requirement that Baptist preachers memorise all 150 Psalms in Hebrew and the four Gospels in Greek. The psalms are full of prophesy. Psalm 23 and John 10:1, "I am the good shepherd". Satan has done everything he could, to destroy every copy of the inspired Word of God. He even had the Textus Recepus made, which is a translation from Greek and Hebrew into Latin and then back into Greek, and there's some loss there. Sadly many people accept the Textus Recepus as the bonafide received inspired word from God. The 1611 King James translation is a very biased translation, because it was translated by King James for the state church of England. If anyone dared protest inaccuracies in the translation, they would die a gruesome death, burnt at the stake. So many Christians were burned at the stake that they ran out of fire wood and the Baptist's were blamed for the shortage. Despite these atrocities many churches and private schools are still King James only, believing that the 1611 king James translation is the inspired word of God. And the same goes for the young earth theory which has no biblical foundation.
KJV Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
Verse 1 - Literally translated
א בְּרֵאשִׁית.
InBeginnings
It is one word in the original language which is why it's joined together. There is no definite article. The original language has a definite article but Moses did not use it. The word for beginnings is an old plural. The Idea - at some point in the beginnings, one of the beginnings, we don't know which, but a beginning out of all of them.
בָּרָא
Created
The verb comes before the subject and would be better translated as "had created" The form of the verb is perfect tense, meaning completed, done, brought to perfection. In the first verse of Genesis we have the earth existing in a finished starte. Dinosaurs, vegetation and life we cannot imagine existing already. The earth was in a complete state.
KJV Genesis 1:2
and the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
ב וְהָאָרֶץ, הָיְתָה תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ, וְחֹשֶׁךְ, עַל-פְּנֵי תְהוֹם; וְרוּחַ אֱלֹהִים, מְרַחֶפֶת עַל-פְּנֵי הַמָּיִם
(Does God have a Spirt? No, "God is Spirt" John 4:24)
How many times does the Bible teach that Jesus is God's son not God? How can that be discounted for the less times a similarity is mentioned? At John 17:11 Jesus asks that his DISCIPLES would be one as we are one. This is an appearant one or union of purpose not of substance or entity.
It doesn't.
He just explained how it does, or werent you listening.
The fact that you made your comment 1 day before the viewing of this video shows youre just a troll.
I'm not sure about this fellow's particular theory, but there is actually much evidence that the rock layers and fossils were formed by a global flood, only a few thousand years ago. If you're at all open-minded on this topic, I invite you to watch Walter Veith's vids on this, e.g. "Bones in Stones," "Where Mammals Reigned," "A Universal Flood," and "The Earth in Time and Space."
@@RB-bd5tz are you a 7th day Adventist same as Veith?
@@RB-bd5tz im not receiving comments sorry. But have you ever replied in our conversation?
@@rickmarosi4546 Sorry for the delay; TH-cam is very inconsistent with reply notifications. Short answer: yes.
This guy Krazy Kurt has admitted that he would still believe in creation even if science disproved it. Are we supposed to take instruction from him?
Joseph Scala
Did he say that in this video?
@Joseph Scala - _"has admitted that he would still believe in creation even if science disproved it. Are we supposed to take instruction from him?"_
*Kurt knows that scientists are quite often wrong, and that science itself has largely forsaken the Scientific Method.. leaving us with a framework in the natural sciences that is built on fallacy. If the evidence conflicts with his faith, he should choose his faith. REAL science, based on observation and experiment, will yield evidence that SUPPORTS the **_Genesis_** accounts of Creation and the Global Flood.*
@@aureliotheredeemed7566 Not in this video. He has written "Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate." Just look him up.
@@freemind.. It might help if you stayed off of drugs.
Regardless of anything this guy says, I've explored enough cellular/molecular biology to be absolutely convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that life cannot originate by naturalistic processes (abiogenesis) and it cannot progress from a microbe to modern animals. That leaves only creation. That makes it easy for _me_ to have faith in creation.
How does this compare with micro examination of the coal seams? Is there a correlation? Our God is an awesome God!
I was so proud when I lived in Japan to inform those people over there that they actually descended from Noah and his three sons. They asked me how that could be since they don't look like people from the Middle East. I told them that people spread out from the area around Mt. Ararat and then changed over time. You mean like evolution, they asked? Oh no, of course not, evolution is a demonic concept, I told them. People just changed into all the races of the world that we see today because God said so and to ask such questions may anger the almighty god of the western bible. But then they asked if it wasn't the case that the Bible has all the answers to every question. Why yes it does if only you ask the right questions and believe in your heart that Donald J. Trump is the anointed leader of the world. That he knows everything about every subject under the sun, that he is the greatest person to ever live except maybe for Jesus himself, and that we must all follow and obey him.
Wow, did he just blow up the whole evelution nons(ci)ence.
Total wipe out
So, the dinosaurs are not 75 million years old. Geologists have found soft dinosaur bone marrow and fresh bone, not petrified bone. They all died at the same time in the Genesis flood.
Imagine after having heard this beautiful presentation, looking through God’s eyes at the destruction of his beloved world and feeling his pain. 😭
Sin had taken root in his Creation.
No matter dispensation of time we view, God is there: "For since the *creation of the world* His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, *have been clearly seen,* being understood *through what has been made,* so that they are without excuse" [Romans 1 v20]
This man has reached a conclusion and is now trying to find justification for doing so. This is not the way science works. Ergo, he is not a scientist.
I think this is exactly what scientists do. They have some data that doesn't make sense so they come up with a hypothesis to try to explain it. They they compare all the data against the hypothesis and adjust and reexamine.
@Brud No 1
So according to your statement conventional uniformitarion geology also wouldn't be science and all geologists in the world wouldn't be scientists, because they all have presupposions and starting assumptions that they use as paradigms.
Uniformitarianism is ALSO an already established conclusion to which there unlike to catastrophism is NO justification.
Your argument is weak and hypocritical because your naturalistic position commits exactly the SAME "fallacy".
So please stop trolling and misusing such old chestnuts like these.
@@hansdemos6510: _"Do you think that he would be willing to say that there was no worldwide flood in the days of Noah?"_
There's way too much evidence of the flood to say that.
*Hans De Mos:* _"We know that there is quite a lot of evidence showing that the earth is older than a few thousand years, ..."_
What evidence is that? The flood thoroughly damaged the whole surface of the earth, so any "evidence" you point to is probably evidence of the flood. If you start by categorically denying the most transformative event in world geologic history, you're starting off down the wrong trail.
according to Genesis, the earth before the flood was in a sphere of ice.
@ -7000 meters under sea level back then it was dry land and water cycle was different.
I don't think before the flood there were oceans but rather lakes with sweet water predominantly. Oceans appeared later after the flood when the rain and surplus water washed the land and salt deposits. at least 2.5/3 of dry and inhabitable land before the flood and this explains also the unique ecosystems observed. God Bless!
@@Daveunave basically the ice age started with the retraction of the waters and of course with the new trajectory of the earth's orbit around the sun after the cataclysm. elliptical. Cheers!
@@Daveunave I believe the antideluvian people invented the ufo technology also but they had no chance with that because it came everything of a sudden.
Wise starts with the Bible as a given and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change his mind. He said so himself. That’s not how a scientist works.