Lose the gut or simply don't carry full size duty weapons in appendix carry. Not trying to be a dick but some people can carry whatever they want appendix and some people can only carry compact weapons appendix and others can't carry appendix at all. You have to find what works best for your body and your needs. That being said losing the gut would benefit you from a helth standpoint and would as an additional perk allow you to appendix carry more types of weapons..
This may have already been said but the extended beaver tail is not designed to keep your have from getting slide bitten only. With a longer beaver tail this give you more leverage to counter muzzle flip. Especially with sig 229 as it has a bit higher bore axis. This is for quicker follow up shots. It may not be important to you. But your other problem is that you are appendix carrying guns that were not designed to be carried that way.
Not saying this in a rude way...but if you lost 30lbs, my guess is you wouldn't mind it as much...I personally lost 20lbs this year and appendix-carry is a gazillion times more comfortable. Unfortunately, I put back another 10lbs and can already feel the difference comfort-wise
You are completely wrong. In reality HK hates the consumer market. They failed to update the PK30 pistol with an optics ready slide, but they are not alone. CZ likewise has failed to update their P01 and P07 pistols which would be great hammer fired pistols ideal for appendix carry, but the optics ready feature is missing. Since I was looking for a hammered fired pistol with an optics ready slide, I ended up going with a Grand Power MK23 K100 that is a hammer fired pistol that is optics ready, but I had issues. First is that optics plate are plastic and second is that once you mount the red dot, the irons can't co-witness. I looked at at getting suppressor height sights, but the rear sight is a proprietary design. I guess that they never heard of a co-witness as a thing in Slovakia.
New gun owner as of 2023. My wife happened to see a used H&K P2000 V2 LEM version which she liked the feel of it and was our first 9mm weapon. Our first two guns was a 22 Henry classic lever action rifle and a S & W M & P 22 magnum pistol. The H & K was only $425 so we bought it. I claimed it as my gun after a while once I changed the XL blackstrap to a medium I fell in love with it. I have the 13 round magazine. Also once I found the right holster made a big difference in my EDC. I also bought a S& W M & P Shield plus 9 mm just for warmer weather EDC. It is nice too but the P2000 just feels more satisfying when I carry it. BTW my wife likes shooting the Shield Plus more than the P2000 but she doesn’t EDC any guns just pepper spray.
My EDC Rotation is the following: Nighthawk GRP Recon (with big beaver tail) Stattaco P Sig P226 Legion (DA/SA) HK/LTT P30 LEM I carry all of them primarily in the appendix position (Tier 1 Axis AIWB holster). I sometimes carry my Staccato or Nighthawk OWB open carry when at work, but otherwise they are all for the most part appendix carried and concealed. I have had very few problems with the beaver tails. In the rare occasion it does start to stab me, I just adjust the holster on the fly and be on my way. I really only have this issue under rare occurrences and I am always sitting down if it does happen. I think my Staccato and Nighthawk are my most pleasurable carry options in terms of concealment and comfort.
The first three guns are really "Duty/Service sized pistols. They're not designed for, nor expected to be CC appendix guns. they would normally be carried OWB, so the beaver tail would never be an issue. That said, I'm a stocky guy too, but can and do regularly carry my 1911's and my CZ 75 IWB 3 to 4 O'clock. I will tuck a 642, or my LCP Max appendix.
@@DrTac I noticed I didn't put the "LOL" on the end of my comment, I can see how it makes me sound like a dick and I apologize for that. If you like CZ (I like 'em too) but the beavertail is uncomfortable ever consider the P-10? They also just came out with an optics ready P-09 and P-09 compact. I know they're not the Shadow (That thing is dope) but they still have what we love about CZ built into them.😎
Three external hammer-fired guns vs. a striker-fired gun… seems like a fair comparison 🙄 The only hammer-fired guns I’ve seen without a beaver tail are pistols like the Hi Power and everyone complains about “hammer bite” Don’t like your pistol digging into your stomach? Smaller pistol or smaller stomach.
While I don't really agree with the point made in the video, just FYI all 4 guns are external hammer-fired. H&K's hammer-fired handguns like his P30 don't have extended beaver tails with how their slides sit a little farther back over the grip, plus their standard hammers are a little low profile already. I don't think this is the best comparison anyway though as the specific P30 he's displaying in the video is a P30SK LEM variant - the subcompact model with a bobbed/spurless hammer that was purpose built for concealment and not duty-sized like the other 3 guns. The duty-sized P30 with its standard profile DA/SA hammer wouldn't be as comfortable to carry appendix as his sub-compact. (edit) I forgot to add that I totally agree with, "Don’t like your pistol digging into your stomach? Smaller pistol or smaller stomach."
A good and useful point-It is clearly a more compact animal-not your standard DA hammer gun-likely more comparable to striker guns in this regard-but within the scope he presented-the reasoning seems valid. Not covering your obvious point left the topic open to lots of discussion-makes for interesting conversation. Certainly put the HK’s on my radar.
Interesting topic-of course, personal choices gonna’ vary given all the variables. Haven’t tried appendix carry-but your thought seems valid within the scope you present. Perhaps striker guns are generally more EDC friendly than hammer guns. Possessing wee hands, hammer bite never enters my equation. Nor can I proficiently wrap my paws around a staccato. Love the same Sig you mention. My issue with the CZ in question is the safety. I’d dearly love to upgrade from my current decocker CZ to your Shadow II compact, but the safety is a turn off for me. I can rationalize the safety models on CZ’s competition guns-but don’t see the utility of it for a double action carry gun. Not that operating a safety equipped CZ safely is difficult-it’s like any single action auto I suppose, but why not just equip it with a decocker for EDC. Seems more efficient to me in a double action auto.
Thanks for the video. Until this video, I was not even aware that my HK 45 USP and my HK 9mm USP did not have beaver tails. I just know that I liked the way they felt in my hands.
I think you have a point about the beavertail. But I think that can be negated by a holster. HK has long standing of not selling their brand to the civilian market and only to mil/leo. That coupled with their over priced magazines really is a no go for me.
You are completely right. I carry H&K P30L, CZ P-07, SigSauer P220 Elite , P226 Legion SAO, Multiple 1911s, and H&K USP 9mm Full Size, USP Compact 9mm, USP .45ACP LEM, and USP .45ACP Compact. Hands Down, the H&K is best for carry . I do not use optics on a handgun. I was trained to point and shoot, and it works for me. I prefer hammer fired handguns and also own several S&W wheel guns. Optics are for little boys. I also do not carry an extra magazine. I use a S&W .38 special+P as my second mag. You are right on.
I understand the rationale for the beaver tail. I’m wondering if any holster companies have acknowledged just how uncomfortable that is to C&C and which holsters can accommodate for it.I’m impressed with your dedication to your channel by cranking out fantastic content on your b-day!! Hope you have a very happy birthday!!!!! 😁🥳🎉
Tell HK to make better breech lock so, the barrel does not shift left to right and some casing head space in chamber so it does not hang on casing head in different angles depending on brass causing accuracy issues (and yes you can shoot it even if it is slightly out of breech). Shooting side by side HK P30 with any of those will make you scratch head why at 10 yards you are dead center with Sig, CZ, Staccato, Springfield and Glock, but with HK P30 you are all over place inch here and there. Extend to 25 yards and you will not make 6-8 inch plate with HK P30. It was supposed to replace USP and it was failure as USP is still far better in accuracy (hence used by special forces around the world).
Firstly I don’t know how people can CC these bigger guns. I shoot hand guns better with beaver tails, so if I’m going to carry it would be with a smaller hand gun with beaver tail. I’m sure you have but, if not, the CZ P01 is a great gun, if it has to polymer, then the P07. Or just go with many other polymer guns with a tang, plenty of them out there
I carry a C2 daily appendix and don’t have any issues. But I get what you’re saying. Carried a Glock 19 appendix before the C2 and the previous 15 years or so were a 1911 or Glock at roughly 4 o’clock. Personally, I have a relatively aggressive grip and I cannot shoot a G.I. style 1911 comfortably because I get a hammer bite. So I appreciate a beavertail in that sense, and I appreciate Staccato’s cut down beavertail. No, for any striker fired gun, I would prefer not to have one. Have a 365 Spectre comp. I would like to get an Icarus grip for but decided against it because of the beavertail. For me, the issue isn’t getting jabbed by the Beavertail, but more that I can draw from appendix without having to wrap my thumb all the way around the back and put it more over the rear of the slide when there is not one. Scott Jedinaki style.
I am curious, what kind of holster are you using for your C2? Also, do you have a very slender build? I feel like I’ve tried every holster on the market, and I’m taking Ozempic like it’s Pringles, to get skinnier. I do carry the Staccato CS ( and used to carry a C2) appendix style, but every once in a while I would bend over and find myself cussing under my breath.
@@DrTacI’ve recently been using the Tenicor Sagax LUX II with the body contour as opposed to a wedge. That took a minute to get used to but now I love it. Previously I was using a tier 1 axis elite and a QVO. The Tena core has been more comfortable for me. And yeah, I have a slender build. I am 5‘9“ and about 170 pounds. I was using a core essentials belt, then went to the standard groove belt, which is far more elastic and flexible But had to be pretty tight so it would not sag, then recently I’ve been using the Tenicor zero belt. So far that has been the best belt, although it can dig into the sides a little bit because it does not have any elasticity like the groove belt does. The hunter Constantine belt seems like a really good option because it appears to be a mix of the two and I’ve noticed that having the gun ride a little bit higher makes it a little less likely to dig in if that makes any sense. I think having a little bit of elasticity in the belt, helps with it poking in to the stomach when bending over as well.
@@DrTac probably higher than most I'm traditional and wear my belt at my belly button. Belly button is pretty much my most protruding part so grip is farther out than stuff above it. Muddy river, ANR, and Trex holsters with a claw work for me. Most casual clothing. In professional attire I go smaller with a slim m&p shield original or canik MC9, but contemplating the new bodyguard 2.0.
I see what you mean and you right but also got to have in mind the staccato and Cz tho have different geometry that makes hand wrap in a different way . And I do like I’m those two the beaver tail because I have had hammer bite in a high power and an very old 1911. So I would say the sig those not need the beaver tail but maybe the staccato those . Tho I have big palms and long thumb so it might be a me problem .
I’m guessing they try to appeal to the 1911 enthusiast that tends to have more disposable income and likes to collect multiple firearms. They also appear more likely to carry at 3-4 o’clock.
@@DrTac Only a couple pistols have fully enclosed hammers which to me is the next evolution but the slide would extend as far as the beavertails currently do. Perhaps that FN Reflex would check all your preferred boxes? Hammer fired, no beavertail and smaller than the P30 so it shouldn't give you gut discomfort for edc.
I have no problem with the beaver tails at all. I quite like them. Most people do, that’s why they are there. There are plenty of striker fired guns without them, even some Double action hammer fired pistols, so there you go. Many of us like SAO hammer fired guns. The beaver tail aids in comfort by shrouding the hammer. Otherwise, the hammer would cut into your gut, if you have a gut. I wouldn’t think appendix carry would be comfortable with any pistol if you have a large gut. But there are also various variations of the beaver tail. Some are upswept, some not so much.
This is not rocket science. Have ammo- don't need- no problem. Don't have ammo-need-a problem. This guy formulated an answer, then created the question. Two guns= more bulk/weight, a different trigger pull, different poa/poi, and likely a different caliber. Do you really think you are going to have the time to reholster an empty weapon, to retrieve another one in an immediately hot ambush attack. Give your second gun to another friendly in that time span? Really? If they don't have one to begin with, that probably tells you their level of preparedness, and skill to begin with. What are you going to do? A movie scene stunt, and throw the empty at them while fishing in your pocket for a less capable J-Frame? Are you just going to drop it on the ground? That would also require a mental shifting of gears during a state of extreme duress. Having a BUG is never a bad idea, but using IT as the primary reload, as opposed to spare mags, is not very smart. The old New York reload makes sense, in that pulling a second 6-shot wheelie is faster than loading the empty wheelie, BUT using a low cap secondary against an empty Glock 19 is not logical if you can reload a mag faster than mentally switching gears to a secondary platform. Even in CQB training the protocol of dropping the empty rifle (hanging from sling), and drawing the handgun, in favor of reloading the rifle is phasing out due to training to reliably reload the rifle faster, and more efficiently. Most civilian weapon engagements happen between 3 feet, and 5 yards, within a few seconds. I understand your thought process here, but I believe the doctrine is flawed. You would be creating two different reaction mechanisms, that require isolated skill sets that are likely not going to manifest under duress with little more than gross motor skills available. Academically, one could in their mind's eye picture the usefulness of this concept, but in the tense, uncertain chaos of an attack I don't see this as viable. Reloading at all is stressful enough, let alone switching gears, in an instant, to another gun. Maybe two identical guns, in the same holstered area would play out, but that is likely impractical, and still doesn't factor in the mind's tendency to "hang on" to the already drawn gun (even when empty) rather than dropping it, or nonsensically trying to re-holster it in a fight. I'll take the spare mags, and the single facet training mechanism instilled.
Tell me you buy guns but don't know about them by not saying it directly. Sig 229 without the pronounced beaver tail- you mean an M11? I'm sure CZ has guns that match the request in the past too- no one buys em. It's not just a matter of protecting your hand against slide bite, it's a matter of ergo for shooting. Most consumers choose ergo of shooting over a little discomfort in the belt and for the people who don't, you have guns like a P365 or MP Shield, etc.
2/3 of the presentation was over before i got an idea wtf you were talking about. To appendix carry you cant have a gut.. Without a beavertail recoil can be a problem as can slide bite..
In what way does a beavertail mitigate recoil? As for slide bite, there is absolutely no need for an elongated spike on the back of the gun, a slight undercut should suffice for anyone with the most rudimentary handgun training. The gut thing I’ll give you, it’s definitely harder to carry appendix with a gut…but quite doable with a Glock 19, Walther PDP, Sig P365 etc…so why put an unnecessary spike on the back of a gun? It’s even uncomfortable for the most fit of conceal carriers. Also, remember that a lot of fat guys carry…because they can’t run away😎.
1st vid I've ever almost watched from this channel. Only made it to the 4:18 mark before I puked. Guy pulls out a bunch of pistols that all pretty much start at the $1'200 mark and makes a video like this. If you don't like the features on a firearm, especially when there 100% obvious. You're buying them because? Good luck with your channel dude.
Beaver tailed guns no bueno for appendix carry brochacho. Sad truth. If you love the gun enough, get a hip holster for it! If you want to appendix carry get smooth backed striker fired masterpiece
Lose some weight and that'll fix appendix carry. Also pick a gun that fits you. SMH. I'm doing appendix carry now with a full size Staccato C with optic and WML. Also CZ just released the new Nocturne (P09 and P09C) with optic cuts.
This is the most ridiculous rant I’ve ever heard. These firearms are not meant to be carried appendix. So your argument is absurd. This is like complaining about a Winnebago that performs poorly at the drag race track.
Yeah, I’m just gonna leave it at this: you’re wrong. All 3 of these guns are designed and marketed specifically for conceal carry (although the P229, the ‘concealable version’ of the P226, is really pushing it) and if you look at the majority of the holsters designed for these handguns (yes, including the P229), you will be surprised to discover that a great majority of them are designed for appendix carry. In fact, when I was at PrairieFire, Staccatos facility in Las Vegas, pretty much everyone I saw there who wasn’t open carrying, was carrying appendix. …but I see where you’re confusion lies…your Winnebago analogy isn’t that far off, except these companies claim that their Winnebagos are designed for the drag race track.
First thing is that I would never appendix carry any of those guns. I do like the HK for the da/sa trigger. All great guns. Different in their own way. Definitely not appropriate for appendix. Maybe 3 to 4 o'clock carry.
Lose the gut or simply don't carry full size duty weapons in appendix carry.
Not trying to be a dick but some people can carry whatever they want appendix and some people can only carry compact weapons appendix and others can't carry appendix at all.
You have to find what works best for your body and your needs.
That being said losing the gut would benefit you from a helth standpoint and would as an additional perk allow you to appendix carry more types of weapons..
This may have already been said but the extended beaver tail is not designed to keep your have from getting slide bitten only. With a longer beaver tail this give you more leverage to counter muzzle flip. Especially with sig 229 as it has a bit higher bore axis.
This is for quicker follow up shots. It may not be important to you. But your other problem is that you are appendix carrying guns that were not designed to be carried that way.
The video starts at 1:25...
Thanks
The VP9 and VP9SK out of the box are some of the finest sidearms I have ever fired.
Not saying this in a rude way...but if you lost 30lbs, my guess is you wouldn't mind it as much...I personally lost 20lbs this year and appendix-carry is a gazillion times more comfortable. Unfortunately, I put back another 10lbs and can already feel the difference comfort-wise
You are completely wrong. In reality HK hates the consumer market. They failed to update the PK30 pistol with an optics ready slide, but they are not alone. CZ likewise has failed to update their P01 and P07 pistols which would be great hammer fired pistols ideal for appendix carry, but the optics ready feature is missing. Since I was looking for a hammered fired pistol with an optics ready slide, I ended up going with a Grand Power MK23 K100 that is a hammer fired pistol that is optics ready, but I had issues. First is that optics plate are plastic and second is that once you mount the red dot, the irons can't co-witness. I looked at at getting suppressor height sights, but the rear sight is a proprietary design. I guess that they never heard of a co-witness as a thing in Slovakia.
Well CZ at least updated the p07 and P09 this week 😅
@@TheRancor53 About time!
Optics don't belong on handguns brother. Respectfully
New gun owner as of 2023. My wife happened to see a used H&K P2000 V2 LEM version which she liked the feel of it and was our first 9mm weapon. Our first two guns was a 22 Henry classic lever action rifle and a S & W M & P 22 magnum pistol. The H & K was only $425 so we bought it. I claimed it as my gun after a while once I changed the XL blackstrap to a medium I fell in love with it. I have the 13 round magazine. Also once I found the right holster made a big difference in my EDC.
I also bought a S& W M & P Shield plus 9 mm just for warmer weather EDC. It is nice too but the P2000 just feels more satisfying when I carry it.
BTW my wife likes shooting the Shield Plus more than the P2000 but she doesn’t EDC any guns just pepper spray.
After I got rid of my Dunlap disorder, I never had this problem again
Because that Sig, Statacco and Sig are all hammer guns. Compare that HK to those companies' striker guns.
I do not like having a pistol pointed at shorty and the twins, so a beaver tail doesn't hinder the way I carry.
Also the 229 does come with out an extended beaver tail but you probably won’t shoot it as well as the legion or elite.
My EDC Rotation is the following:
Nighthawk GRP Recon (with big beaver tail)
Stattaco P
Sig P226 Legion (DA/SA)
HK/LTT P30 LEM
I carry all of them primarily in the appendix position (Tier 1 Axis AIWB holster). I sometimes carry my Staccato or Nighthawk OWB open carry when at work, but otherwise they are all for the most part appendix carried and concealed. I have had very few problems with the beaver tails. In the rare occasion it does start to stab me, I just adjust the holster on the fly and be on my way. I really only have this issue under rare occurrences and I am always sitting down if it does happen. I think my Staccato and Nighthawk are my most pleasurable carry options in terms of concealment and comfort.
The first three guns are really "Duty/Service sized pistols. They're not designed for, nor expected to be CC appendix guns. they would normally be carried OWB, so the beaver tail would never be an issue. That said, I'm a stocky guy too, but can and do regularly carry my 1911's and my CZ 75 IWB 3 to 4 O'clock. I will tuck a 642, or my LCP Max appendix.
Appendix carry runs contrary to the first rule of gun safety, that's all I got to say on that subject.
An intelligent person doesn’t think in terms of absolutes, that’s all I have to say on that subject😎
@@DrTac An intelligent man doesn't flag his pole, LOL! Lighten up man it's going to be okay. Hope your day is going well, sincerely.💯
@@Rundark- LOL
@@DrTac I noticed I didn't put the "LOL" on the end of my comment, I can see how it makes me sound like a dick and I apologize for that. If you like CZ (I like 'em too) but the beavertail is uncomfortable ever consider the P-10? They also just came out with an optics ready P-09 and P-09 compact. I know they're not the Shadow (That thing is dope) but they still have what we love about CZ built into them.😎
Three external hammer-fired guns vs. a striker-fired gun… seems like a fair comparison 🙄
The only hammer-fired guns I’ve seen without a beaver tail are pistols like the Hi Power and everyone complains about “hammer bite”
Don’t like your pistol digging into your stomach? Smaller pistol or smaller stomach.
While I don't really agree with the point made in the video, just FYI all 4 guns are external hammer-fired. H&K's hammer-fired handguns like his P30 don't have extended beaver tails with how their slides sit a little farther back over the grip, plus their standard hammers are a little low profile already. I don't think this is the best comparison anyway though as the specific P30 he's displaying in the video is a P30SK LEM variant - the subcompact model with a bobbed/spurless hammer that was purpose built for concealment and not duty-sized like the other 3 guns. The duty-sized P30 with its standard profile DA/SA hammer wouldn't be as comfortable to carry appendix as his sub-compact. (edit) I forgot to add that I totally agree with, "Don’t like your pistol digging into your stomach? Smaller pistol or smaller stomach."
A good and useful point-It is clearly a more compact animal-not your standard DA hammer gun-likely more comparable to striker guns in this regard-but within the scope he presented-the reasoning seems valid. Not covering your obvious point left the topic open to lots of discussion-makes for interesting conversation. Certainly put the HK’s on my radar.
Interesting topic-of course, personal choices gonna’ vary given all the variables. Haven’t tried appendix carry-but your thought seems valid within the scope you present. Perhaps striker guns are generally more EDC friendly than hammer guns. Possessing wee hands, hammer bite never enters my equation. Nor can I proficiently wrap my paws around a staccato. Love the same Sig you mention. My issue with the CZ in question is the safety. I’d dearly love to upgrade from my current decocker CZ to your Shadow II compact, but the safety is a turn off for me. I can rationalize the safety models on CZ’s competition guns-but don’t see the utility of it for a double action carry gun. Not that operating a safety equipped CZ safely is difficult-it’s like any single action auto I suppose, but why not just equip it with a decocker for EDC. Seems more efficient to me in a double action auto.
Thanks for the video.
Until this video, I was not even aware that my HK 45 USP and my HK 9mm USP did not have beaver tails. I just know that I liked the way they felt in my hands.
I think you have a point about the beavertail. But I think that can be negated by a holster. HK has long standing of not selling their brand to the civilian market and only to mil/leo. That coupled with their over priced magazines really is a no go for me.
So basically the 3 guns your complaining about were never made nor said to be a good appendix carry weapon. End of story.
I think the doctor is out
You are completely right. I carry H&K P30L, CZ P-07, SigSauer P220 Elite , P226 Legion SAO, Multiple 1911s, and H&K USP 9mm Full Size, USP Compact 9mm, USP .45ACP LEM, and USP .45ACP Compact. Hands Down, the H&K is best for carry . I do not use optics on a handgun. I was trained to point and shoot, and it works for me. I prefer hammer fired handguns and also own several S&W wheel guns. Optics are for little boys. I also do not carry an extra magazine. I use a S&W .38 special+P as my second mag. You are right on.
I understand the rationale for the beaver tail. I’m wondering if any holster companies have acknowledged just how uncomfortable that is to C&C and which holsters can accommodate for it.I’m impressed with your dedication to your channel by cranking out fantastic content on your b-day!! Hope you have a very happy birthday!!!!! 😁🥳🎉
You are correct sir!
Thank you, my friend!!
Tell HK to make better breech lock so, the barrel does not shift left to right and some casing head space in chamber so it does not hang on casing head in different angles depending on brass causing accuracy issues (and yes you can shoot it even if it is slightly out of breech). Shooting side by side HK P30 with any of those will make you scratch head why at 10 yards you are dead center with Sig, CZ, Staccato, Springfield and Glock, but with HK P30 you are all over place inch here and there. Extend to 25 yards and you will not make 6-8 inch plate with HK P30. It was supposed to replace USP and it was failure as USP is still far better in accuracy (hence used by special forces around the world).
Firstly I don’t know how people can CC these bigger guns. I shoot hand guns better with beaver tails, so if I’m going to carry it would be with a smaller hand gun with beaver tail. I’m sure you have but, if not, the CZ P01 is a great gun, if it has to polymer, then the P07. Or just go with many other polymer guns with a tang, plenty of them out there
Thanks for pointing this out.
I carry a C2 daily appendix and don’t have any issues. But I get what you’re saying. Carried a Glock 19 appendix before the C2 and the previous 15 years or so were a 1911 or Glock at roughly 4 o’clock.
Personally, I have a relatively aggressive grip and I cannot shoot a G.I. style 1911 comfortably because I get a hammer bite. So I appreciate a beavertail in that sense, and I appreciate Staccato’s cut down beavertail.
No, for any striker fired gun, I would prefer not to have one. Have a 365 Spectre comp. I would like to get an Icarus grip for but decided against it because of the beavertail.
For me, the issue isn’t getting jabbed by the Beavertail, but more that I can draw from appendix without having to wrap my thumb all the way around the back and put it more over the rear of the slide when there is not one. Scott Jedinaki style.
I am curious, what kind of holster are you using for your C2? Also, do you have a very slender build? I feel like I’ve tried every holster on the market, and I’m taking Ozempic like it’s Pringles, to get skinnier. I do carry the Staccato CS ( and used to carry a C2) appendix style, but every once in a while I would bend over and find myself cussing under my breath.
@@DrTacI’ve recently been using the Tenicor Sagax LUX II with the body contour as opposed to a wedge. That took a minute to get used to but now I love it. Previously I was using a tier 1 axis elite and a QVO. The Tena core has been more comfortable for me.
And yeah, I have a slender build. I am 5‘9“ and about 170 pounds. I was using a core essentials belt, then went to the standard groove belt, which is far more elastic and flexible But had to be pretty tight so it would not sag, then recently I’ve been using the Tenicor zero belt. So far that has been the best belt, although it can dig into the sides a little bit because it does not have any elasticity like the groove belt does. The hunter Constantine belt seems like a really good option because it appears to be a mix of the two and I’ve noticed that having the gun ride a little bit higher makes it a little less likely to dig in if that makes any sense.
I think having a little bit of elasticity in the belt, helps with it poking in to the stomach when bending over as well.
Bummer I like the Icarus grip on my 365 get one! I like beavertails as well.
They look cool and I think more for duty than appendix EDC. They are useful for striker fired guns like Glocks
I like beavertails. I'm a big dude with a gut and carry appendix at times both a CZ S2C and P-01 no issues.
How?!! Tell me how!! What holster or carrying system are you using? How high or low do you carry?
@@DrTac probably higher than most I'm traditional and wear my belt at my belly button. Belly button is pretty much my most protruding part so grip is farther out than stuff above it. Muddy river, ANR, and Trex holsters with a claw work for me. Most casual clothing. In professional attire I go smaller with a slim m&p shield original or canik MC9, but contemplating the new bodyguard 2.0.
I see what you mean and you right but also got to have in mind the staccato and Cz tho have different geometry that makes hand wrap in a different way . And I do like I’m those two the beaver tail because I have had hammer bite in a high power and an very old 1911. So I would say the sig those not need the beaver tail but maybe the staccato those . Tho I have big palms and long thumb so it might be a me problem .
I would have said the other three do not have a decocker so you don’t have to run cocked and locked which is not my favorite way to carry.
I’m guessing they try to appeal to the 1911 enthusiast that tends to have more disposable income and likes to collect multiple firearms. They also appear more likely to carry at 3-4 o’clock.
I just don't see the benefit to these sharp elongated beaver tails.
@@DrTac Only a couple pistols have fully enclosed hammers which to me is the next evolution but the slide would extend as far as the beavertails currently do. Perhaps that FN Reflex would check all your preferred boxes? Hammer fired, no beavertail and smaller than the P30 so it shouldn't give you gut discomfort for edc.
I don't know about you guys but I like beaver
I have no problem with the beaver tails at all. I quite like them. Most people do, that’s why they are there. There are plenty of striker fired guns without them, even some Double action hammer fired pistols, so there you go. Many of us like SAO hammer fired guns. The beaver tail aids in comfort by shrouding the hammer. Otherwise, the hammer would cut into your gut, if you have a gut. I wouldn’t think appendix carry would be comfortable with any pistol if you have a large gut. But there are also various variations of the beaver tail. Some are upswept, some not so much.
Do you usually teach 1st graders?
This is comedy gold!
Love the video…so true
This is not rocket science.
Have ammo- don't need- no problem. Don't have ammo-need-a problem.
This guy formulated an answer, then created the question.
Two guns= more bulk/weight, a different trigger pull, different poa/poi, and likely a different caliber.
Do you really think you are going to have the time to reholster an empty weapon, to retrieve another one in an immediately hot ambush attack. Give your second gun to another friendly in that time span? Really? If they don't have one to begin with, that probably tells you their level of preparedness, and skill to begin with.
What are you going to do? A movie scene stunt, and throw the empty at them while fishing in your pocket for a less capable J-Frame? Are you just going to drop it on the ground? That would also require a mental shifting of gears during a state of extreme duress. Having a BUG is never a bad idea, but using IT as the primary reload, as opposed to spare mags, is not very smart. The old New York reload makes sense, in that pulling a second 6-shot wheelie is faster than loading the empty wheelie, BUT using a low cap secondary against an empty Glock 19 is not logical if you can reload a mag faster than mentally switching gears to a secondary platform. Even in CQB training the protocol of dropping the empty rifle (hanging from sling), and drawing the handgun, in favor of reloading the rifle is phasing out due to training to reliably reload the rifle faster, and more efficiently.
Most civilian weapon engagements happen between 3 feet, and 5 yards, within a few seconds.
I understand your thought process here, but I believe the doctrine is flawed. You would be creating two different reaction mechanisms, that require isolated skill sets that are likely not going to manifest under duress with little more than gross motor skills available. Academically, one could in their mind's eye picture the usefulness of this concept, but in the tense, uncertain chaos of an attack I don't see this as viable. Reloading at all is stressful enough, let alone switching gears, in an instant, to another gun. Maybe two identical guns, in the same holstered area would play out, but that is likely impractical, and still doesn't factor in the mind's tendency to "hang on" to the already drawn gun (even when empty) rather than dropping it, or nonsensically trying to re-holster it in a fight.
I'll take the spare mags, and the single facet training mechanism instilled.
Love the H&K.
This sounds like a fat problem I'm too fit to understand
Hk has shit customer service with overhyped guns. Literally no reason to carry one.
Tell me you buy guns but don't know about them by not saying it directly.
Sig 229 without the pronounced beaver tail- you mean an M11? I'm sure CZ has guns that match the request in the past too- no one buys em. It's not just a matter of protecting your hand against slide bite, it's a matter of ergo for shooting. Most consumers choose ergo of shooting over a little discomfort in the belt and for the people who don't, you have guns like a P365 or MP Shield, etc.
2/3 of the presentation was over before i got an idea wtf you were talking about. To appendix carry you cant have a gut.. Without a beavertail recoil can be a problem as can slide bite..
In what way does a beavertail mitigate recoil? As for slide bite, there is absolutely no need for an elongated spike on the back of the gun, a slight undercut should suffice for anyone with the most rudimentary handgun training.
The gut thing I’ll give you, it’s definitely harder to carry appendix with a gut…but quite doable with a Glock 19, Walther PDP, Sig P365 etc…so why put an unnecessary spike on the back of a gun? It’s even uncomfortable for the most fit of conceal carriers.
Also, remember that a lot of fat guys carry…because they can’t run away😎.
1st vid I've ever almost watched from this channel. Only made it to the 4:18 mark before I puked. Guy pulls out a bunch of pistols that all pretty much start at the $1'200 mark and makes a video like this. If you don't like the features on a firearm, especially when there 100% obvious. You're buying them because? Good luck with your channel dude.
Beaver tailed guns no bueno for appendix carry brochacho. Sad truth. If you love the gun enough, get a hip holster for it! If you want to appendix carry get smooth backed striker fired masterpiece
Sounds like a you problem, as I've never heard anyone complain about it.
Yes good luck carrying a single action gun with the hammer cocked and no Beaver tail.
This is fucking stupid.
Title should say for "appendix carry." Vid wayyyy tooooo long.
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Lose some weight and that'll fix appendix carry. Also pick a gun that fits you. SMH. I'm doing appendix carry now with a full size Staccato C with optic and WML. Also CZ just released the new Nocturne (P09 and P09C) with optic cuts.
Dr tactical bacon lol .
This is the most ridiculous rant I’ve ever heard. These firearms are not meant to be carried appendix. So your argument is absurd. This is like complaining about a Winnebago that performs poorly at the drag race track.
Yeah, I’m just gonna leave it at this: you’re wrong. All 3 of these guns are designed and marketed specifically for conceal carry (although the P229, the ‘concealable version’ of the P226, is really pushing it) and if you look at the majority of the holsters designed for these handguns (yes, including the P229), you will be surprised to discover that a great majority of them are designed for appendix carry. In fact, when I was at PrairieFire, Staccatos facility in Las Vegas, pretty much everyone I saw there who wasn’t open carrying, was carrying appendix.
…but I see where you’re confusion lies…your Winnebago analogy isn’t that far off, except these companies claim that their Winnebagos are designed for the drag race track.
First thing is that I would never appendix carry any of those guns. I do like the HK for the da/sa trigger. All great guns. Different in their own way. Definitely not appropriate for appendix. Maybe 3 to 4 o'clock carry.
Hk are great rest are junk