I have been rocking VirtualBox for years now and I would always come back to it. Does everything I need for my private use and I dont mind if it takes a minute longer. Also, the moment you talked about "you need to login to do stuff" I noped right out. Thanks for the vid, really interesting!
I loaded up Fedora on my work laptop and decided to make a Windows VM for when I needed to to Windows specific things. I initially went with VirtualBox, but Win11 performance was so stuttery that I went through the hoops to download and install VMWare Workstation and it's been a noticeable improvement.
@Aruneh Lets hope broadcom doesn't ruin it like they did to so many other things. Hopefully they kept the same development teams and will let it continue.
Thanks, just the overview I was looking for. When W10 is abandoned, I still need to run photo software on that system. But the future lies with Linux which is rapidly improving and getting more usable for amateurs. VMWare will be my first attempmt to move into virtualization.
I was wondering about this earlier while taking a shower. Thanks for the nice timing of the video haha. Nice to see what I expected was the result based in some prior experience with VMware Player and VirtualBox. On Linux I use KVM, since its way better than VirtualBox in performance and VMware Player on Linux is a bit funky due to needing to recompile kernel stuff and VMs not showing up on the manager, but accessible when opening the VMware file inside the folder of a VM, and other issues, etc. On Windows I started with QEMU which was purely software based with no hardware acceleration and that was slow af. Moved to VirtualBox, but got issues when they migrated from 6.x to 7.x that broke my VMs. Gave VMWare Workstation Player a shot and it was a lot better, but last time I used it was 3 years ago and it was nice to see its still pretty decent on a Windows host. Now I wonder how Microsoft's Hyper-V compares to VMware and VirtualBox performance-wise
@@zachbeckner Agreed LOL. The VM thing is pretty random, but I was thinking what other software I would need since I did a reinstall of Windows on my PC.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge. Valuable info. I enjoyed it. (BTW: Excellent video, but the audio could be better. It's certainly intelligible, just not crisp. It sounds like a poor quality mic or there is audio processing with the speech frequencies being improperly attenuated.)
On a Windows host I would always run vmware, especially if you need better 3d performance. On linux I run both but vmware tend to have issues with the constant kernel updates and secure boot that you always has to sign the modules in order to make it work.
One test you should try is the performance of software rendered games like OpenTESArena (reverse engineering of Elder Scrolls Arena). OpenTESArena isn't actually complete yet but the renderer is complete enough that you can use it as a benchmark for your hardware up to a certain extent. I think past a certain amount of cores, apparently 8 cores/16 threads, there's diminishing returns, but anything lower it scales pretty well. On VirtualBox it performed like several times worse than the host and vmware despite the fact the game isn't GPU accelerated at all.
My God I tried Vmware workstation Pro 17 for a couple of days and it almost made me quit on Linux and VMs in general. Constant freezes, stuttering and an overall bad experience trying to troubleshoot. The distro did not matter.. ubuntu, fedora, mint.. you name it.. Never again.
@@rudraacharya8247 Interesting.. did you use any special settings? How many CPU cores did you allocate? I'm running a 5900X system so I hoped I could allocate at least 8 without a problem but the more you allocate, the more laggy it gets..
@wcdeich4 I'm by no means a linux pro. I really have only used Debian, but I've heard bad things about Fedora and vmware. I've had issues with debian after updates, but a full uninstall and reinstall of vmware usually fixes it..networking usually breaks. I'm not the one to ask. I was a system admin throughout my life but most of that was setting up and managing windows servers, got an issue with a windows domain controller?..I got ya....but recompiling linux kernels..not my bag unfortunately. I will say the linux servers I setup though were flawless. Absolutely amazing performance and reliability. We got contracted by one client who had a student management database running on a fedora linux server. It had an uptime of 10 years and got pounded on daily, zero problems.
I'm not a developer. The topic is unfamiliar to me. I like to learning new stuff tho. You're free to laugh to the question if it doesn't make sense. What happens if we open a virtual machine in a virtual machine ? 😅😅
@chaslp that would be called nested virtualization. It depends on what you run it on and the virtualization engine you use. If all supports nested, then its performance is 'ok', however if not its terrible.
VirtualBox seems to run faster on Linux Mint 22 than Linux did on a Windows host. Running Windows 11 24H2 guest on a Mint 22 host, I could play 4K60 TH-cam videos without dropping any frames. No GPU pass thru. Never got close with Windows as host.
btw since comments can be read in different ways, I didn't mean that to be negative or mean...was just saying kindly that I'm thinkin its a problem with your setup.
In case you didn't notice, the video wasn't about how powerful VMware can get. It was to show how VMware and Virtualbox performed given the same hardware.
I have been rocking VirtualBox for years now and I would always come back to it. Does everything I need for my private use and I dont mind if it takes a minute longer. Also, the moment you talked about "you need to login to do stuff" I noped right out. Thanks for the vid, really interesting!
I didn't even make it passed the commercials. This is a make or break piece of information here. Thank you
It sounds super useful but for it to be sold for free...? Surely you're the product. I'm good!
This is a GREAT comparison video. Kudos.
thanks for this. just what i was looking for.
Glad I could help!
I loaded up Fedora on my work laptop and decided to make a Windows VM for when I needed to to Windows specific things. I initially went with VirtualBox, but Win11 performance was so stuttery that I went through the hoops to download and install VMWare Workstation and it's been a noticeable improvement.
RIP VMWare, you really innovated the IT sector.
@Aruneh Lets hope broadcom doesn't ruin it like they did to so many other things. Hopefully they kept the same development teams and will let it continue.
@@jims_junkso far it’s been the same which is good
Just the level of information i wanted (I just want to run a VM with Linux mint reliably and fast)... thank you ..
Thanks, just the overview I was looking for. When W10 is abandoned, I still need to run photo software on that system. But the future lies with Linux which is rapidly improving and getting more usable for amateurs. VMWare will be my first attempmt to move into virtualization.
VMware was so difficult to download.
I run windows in vmware to run visual studio and it runs much better than the same in virtualbox
I was wondering about this earlier while taking a shower. Thanks for the nice timing of the video haha. Nice to see what I expected was the result based in some prior experience with VMware Player and VirtualBox.
On Linux I use KVM, since its way better than VirtualBox in performance and VMware Player on Linux is a bit funky due to needing to recompile kernel stuff and VMs not showing up on the manager, but accessible when opening the VMware file inside the folder of a VM, and other issues, etc.
On Windows I started with QEMU which was purely software based with no hardware acceleration and that was slow af. Moved to VirtualBox, but got issues when they migrated from 6.x to 7.x that broke my VMs. Gave VMWare Workstation Player a shot and it was a lot better, but last time I used it was 3 years ago and it was nice to see its still pretty decent on a Windows host.
Now I wonder how Microsoft's Hyper-V compares to VMware and VirtualBox performance-wise
lol interesting thing to think about in the shower😀
@@zachbeckner Agreed LOL. The VM thing is pretty random, but I was thinking what other software I would need since I did a reinstall of Windows on my PC.
Perfect
Thanks!
Thank you for sharing this knowledge. Valuable info. I enjoyed it.
(BTW: Excellent video, but the audio could be better. It's certainly intelligible, just not crisp. It sounds like a poor quality mic or there is audio processing with the speech frequencies being improperly attenuated.)
@chaslp Sounds fine to me
On a Windows host I would always run vmware, especially if you need better 3d performance. On linux I run both but vmware tend to have issues with the constant kernel updates and secure boot that you always has to sign the modules in order to make it work.
One test you should try is the performance of software rendered games like OpenTESArena (reverse engineering of Elder Scrolls Arena). OpenTESArena isn't actually complete yet but the renderer is complete enough that you can use it as a benchmark for your hardware up to a certain extent. I think past a certain amount of cores, apparently 8 cores/16 threads, there's diminishing returns, but anything lower it scales pretty well. On VirtualBox it performed like several times worse than the host and vmware despite the fact the game isn't GPU accelerated at all.
My God I tried Vmware workstation Pro 17 for a couple of days and it almost made me quit on Linux and VMs in general. Constant freezes, stuttering and an overall bad experience trying to troubleshoot. The distro did not matter.. ubuntu, fedora, mint.. you name it.. Never again.
Huh i had no such issue, i tried out Linux mint mate and fedora kde edition
@@rudraacharya8247 Interesting.. did you use any special settings? How many CPU cores did you allocate? I'm running a 5900X system so I hoped I could allocate at least 8 without a problem but the more you allocate, the more laggy it gets..
I mostly use VMWare for games that work properly on Windows XP, but don't on W7 or W10.
I hate how VMWare always breaks on Linux.
Yeah I haven't had very good luck with it on Linux either. Every time I do a kernel update I have to do a full reinstall of vmware
@@jims_junk Do you have an instruction set? Even reinstalling did not work for me.
@wcdeich4 I'm by no means a linux pro. I really have only used Debian, but I've heard bad things about Fedora and vmware. I've had issues with debian after updates, but a full uninstall and reinstall of vmware usually fixes it..networking usually breaks. I'm not the one to ask.
I was a system admin throughout my life but most of that was setting up and managing windows servers, got an issue with a windows domain controller?..I got ya....but recompiling linux kernels..not my bag unfortunately. I will say the linux servers I setup though were flawless. Absolutely amazing performance and reliability. We got contracted by one client who had a student management database running on a fedora linux server. It had an uptime of 10 years and got pounded on daily, zero problems.
@@jims_junk Did you have dkms?
I'm not a developer. The topic is unfamiliar to me. I like to learning new stuff tho. You're free to laugh to the question if it doesn't make sense. What happens if we open a virtual machine in a virtual machine ? 😅😅
@chaslp that would be called nested virtualization. It depends on what you run it on and the virtualization engine you use. If all supports nested, then its performance is 'ok', however if not its terrible.
VirtualBox seems to run faster on Linux Mint 22 than Linux did on a Windows host. Running Windows 11 24H2 guest on a Mint 22 host, I could play 4K60 TH-cam videos without dropping any frames. No GPU pass thru. Never got close with Windows as host.
I have issues with these virtual machines, even windows sandbox crashing after some time.
I think you got some problems with your setup. I've had both vmware and virtualbox on poor hardware, working it 100% and all are super stable.
btw since comments can be read in different ways, I didn't mean that to be negative or mean...was just saying kindly that I'm thinkin its a problem with your setup.
VMware has better performance than virtual box
Libvirt
Bro. slow the F down! Why are you speaking so fast like robot? And cant fallow or understand what you are saying. Speed Kills!
virtualbox is crapy since version 4
Maybe if you didn't use a 6th Gen i5, you'd get much better performance out of VMware
He explained why and personally I agree. Plus he wasn't going for absolute maximum performance, just how does it compare to each other.
In case you didn't notice, the video wasn't about how powerful VMware can get. It was to show how VMware and Virtualbox performed given the same hardware.
What was used in virtualbox? Emulation or kvm?