Shows a perfect example of the true mentality of people who seek power over others. Control freaks really are the bane of the human race, the sooner we start to identify the worst control freaks within our societies and limit the power they can have, the closer we'll be to having a better world for us all to live in.
If Costco poisoned people with there food, would they tell you right away? Or would they just ignore it untill someone points it out? Neither the government or the big corporations can be trusted, I have been given no proof, in why I should trust them. They always ignore issues untill they become public knowledge, and then blame the public for the issues..
We were taught about this in my Ethics course at medical school. A truly horrific violation of basic human rights. Sadly, this is just one of several inhumane clinical trials conducted by the USA during the 40s to the 70s. As a topic for this series may I recommend the flawed studies leading to unnecessary thymus reduction radiological therapies in normal USA children.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 unless your specifically taking an ethics course, they often do only teach the whitewashed version of history, as otherwise all history lessons would involve a healthy dose of "and then they committed this atrocity against this group". US history is a history of atrocities with not much else, it's a side effect of having a nation built on the back of an active genocide, slavery, more genocide, still more slavery, then racial discrimination, persecution and murder. The only part thats really changed since then is the number of murders that go unpunished has decreased, everything else is still there, just under the surface. Not to say this is true of all of the US, but it's the case in far too much of it to say there isn't a problem. The target of the racism has for some changed too, but the racism is still there.
@@HighlandLaddie I said often, not always. Also you still got a whitewashed version, just not completely whitewashed. If you got the full unfiltered actual history, you can guarantee half the parents in your school district would have been trying to burn down the school. It's the same in most countries though, many tend to skip over alot of their more controversial history, or only provide a few examples, often ignoring the constant day to day examples which tend to be so much worse than the "oh we did this back then". The unedited version often becomes this person, your relative only a few generations ago did this, on a daily basis, and didn't think twice about actively causing this person pain and suffering because they could and it was the "done thing". The examples vary from "simple things like" refusing to sell items to people causing them to suffer hardship, all the way up to rape, murder and slave trading and anything in between.
@@HighlandLaddie I didn’t. Hell, I wasn’t even taught about segregation and slavery until I was in high school. I’m glad you had a much better history program at your schools.
If anyone wants to hear more about this topic, I’m obliged to recommend the two-part coverage of this experiment on the “You’re Wrong About” podcast, they also do a fantastic job recapping this event
The "Some races won't want treatment" gives me "Women can't ride trains because their uteruses will fly out" vibes. EDIT 1/7/22: Never have I seen a joke comment about flying uteruses generate SO MUCH DISCOURSE.
In Saudi Arabia, they are banning women from riding bicycles out of concerns that the bicycle seat might cause them to lose their virginity. People do not learn.
@@CZpersi It is the year 2021. A. virginity is a concept, not a physical state of being. It means that you've never had sex, not that you body is altered in any way. Do they mean it might break their hymen? Because it's been proven that it can break FROM LITERALLY ANYTHING. Walking! Running! Squatting too hard! The actual fuck. B. We should know enough about human anatomy by now that these myths still existing should make those her perpetuate them feel embarrassed.
@@crazykingofspades5101 you’re forgetting about the biggest issue. Willful ignorance will never be compensated. “None is so blind as he who shall not see”
I appreciate your wording which helps personify the victims in this study. When you blatantly stated just how “…disgusting [the] result…” you picked exactly the right wording. Not demeaning it or using hyperbole or skipping over how much of a devastating loss of life this was and for literally nothing. It truly is in every sense of the word, disgusting, especially considering those 400 people could have disappeared off planet Earth (in agony) and denied remembrance without the single person who spoke up. Great videos! I’ve watched all of these and frequently rewatch your videos because they are exceptionally well researched and produced. I support you! I also support and will remember the 399 unfortunate souls who were denied the chance to have healthy, happy lives their very own healthcare workers (and everyone else who needed treatment) were afforded.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Terrorism is the use of physical violence to enforce a political idea. Terrorism is not showing history from the perspective of its victims.
@@Ragedaonenlonely I'm trying to understand how that comment is racist? It appears people have been so very manipulated by the white supremacist Democrat Partys race baiting, that they seriously lost sight of what racism actually is. Repeating one of the biggest talking points of the left isn't racist.. I mean, it's a belief they speak of often. They seriously believe that accurate history isn't taught, but a watered down white folks version is. They may not be correct in the fact that the history taught in this Country is changed to be pro white.. but they certainly do omit vital information these days, or all the people screaming in the streets about modern day oppression would understand that the only people in this Country that was ever responsible for the abuse, mistreatment & oppression of black Americans was in fact the flaming racist Democrat Party. The Democrats who owned 92% of those enslaved, the Democrats who went to war with their fellow Americans in an attempt to keep their slaves, the Democrat Party that created the KKK to kill frees slaves that helped start the Republican Party to stop slavery from advancing North, the Democrat Party that implemented Jim Crow laws, the Democrat Party that fought AGAINST EVERY SINGLE AMMENDMENT to the constitution that gave black Americans their God Given rights, the Democrat Party that has written EVERY SINGLE crime bill that INTENTIONALLY meant to disproportionately incarcerate black Americans.. I mean we could go on & on. Joe Biden himself fought alongside his bestfriends in Congress, who were KKK members & one was the Local KKK leader.. he fought alongside these men to keep black Americans segregated & devoid of human rights. If the truth were taught, when we speak of racist politicians.. MSNBC would definitely play the clips of Biden equating black children to jungle animals on National Television, or when he recently called black Children COCKROACHES to their faces, and no doubt they play the interview when Biden said that "Obama is the VERY FIRST African American EVER to be Bright, Articulate & Clean". He even went on to say it was like a storybook that a black man could possess such qualities. Let that sink in. Could their possibly be a mindset more deserving of the term white supremacist? Joe Biden literally believes Obama is the Very First black man to be Bright, Articulate & Clean.
Insane that bismuth was used for treatment instead of the more widely available and less toxic penicillin...they really wanted to participants of this study to suffer. The researchers had to know on some level the amount of suffering they were causing, and yet refused to stop. So disgusting
...its because " THEY " didn't want to alter the effects of the "experiment" ... instead giving those men....shiny things in syringes, like Hg!! ( W H A T !!! ) - former science teacher 20+years
Was the logic that bismuth didn't count as "treatment" according to contemporary medicine?? The logical insanity that apparently triumphed in the name of white supremacy, I mean ?!?!!
I can see in some of the comments here that some people can not separate science from ethics. The ethical use of science is what matters. There have been endless unethical uses of science.
@@moisesortega3684 Your comment obviously is ignoring the OP's point. Science is a method and a tool. Tools do nothing on their own. A knife can both take and save a life. Hammers can build or destroy. The point here is the wielder. Science on its own is a tool, for weal or woe.
@@blizztedo7577 that's not the point either. the point is that people ALLOWED this to happen. yes a knife, a hammer,science are tools. so were the people using them. the people who funded,threw money into this,gave them facilities to do itand outright lying is an entirely different story
In my hometown there was a state hospital that teamed up with MIT and Quaker Oats that wanted to study how radioactive isotopes were processed in the body. Needless to say many special needs children were fed this “special” oatmeal and tested.
A really evil story. Two other topics that you might investigate: the Cincinnati radiation experiments that happened in the post-war period and the "father of gynecology" who vivisected his slaves to develop his surgical procedures.
Yes! Also, I have to get the details again, but I remember that the government sprayed 'experimental' chemicals over Minneapolis (goodness, I think mid 60s) in the 'bad' part of town 😡?!? When I was young, I used to be horrified, now I am not at all surprised every time I hear another awful thing. 😭
I think what boggles my mind most about this is that the last patient died in 2004, and only in 1973 was any action taken to reprimand the study for the suffering of the families And that the study only was officially stopped in 1972 a full 40 years later. Definitely a 10+ on the ethical scale because this is just awful, especially how long it went on for.
@@neronah7349 i think they meant literally being uncovered like exposed during that time, that this unethical experiment went on so long without anyone intervening
abuses like this study and other studies by the medical community are a lot of the reason behind the scepticism many black people have towards the medical community today, and i can’t say i blame them for it. this wasn’t the only horrifying experiment/“study” that used and abused black people specifically.
@@RyosukeTakahashiRX7 the stated goal of the study was to observe the effects of untreated syphilis in black men. No one made it about race but the original researchers.
Being from Alabama, and having most of my education here, I still had NEVER heard of this study until this video. I'd put it at a solid 110 on the Plainly ethical scale. It's disgusting how they treated those involved, and I'm appalled after learning about this. I just can't put into words how much this disgusted me, but the attention to all detail in your videos is what makes this video such an educational experience. Thank you for making me more aware of the appalling history of the state I call home.
There is other cases like this one. For example in Puerto Rico, an American Doctor implanted cancer cells to many people to see how fast they died among other things. Doctor name was Cornelius
Oh huh they DEFINITELY ARENT GOING TO TEACH YOU I doubt theyll even teach you about the actual horrors of slavery I'm from Indiana and I heard of it but wr were never taught and it's very disgusting and disturbing
Agreed on 9/10 unethical. I do want to add, though-- mercury *was* the standard treatment at the time the study began, they weren't administering it for no reason at all. Where this went from unethical to horrifying imo was when it continued past the discovery and widespread availability of penicillin.
Wasn't Salvarsan the standard treatment for syphilis in the 20s and 30s? As I understand it, Salvasan was nasty, toxic stuff but did offer a chance at a real cure. Presumably, the Julius Rosenwald Fund had an effective treatment in mind, while the goals of the Tuskegee study would be better served with an ineffective treatment.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 Hmm, you're right, my dates were off. So, yes, as of 1912 or so, Neosalvarsan was standard. But Salvarsan and Neosalvarsan are super oxygen reactive, so they had to be stored as powder in airtight vials full of nitrogen, and mixed very very fast with water or they would oxidize. Not exactly easy to use. Missionaries trying to treat yaws (No More to Spend by Messac) also noted that for the cost of one dose of neosalvarsan, they could provide 300 doses of bismuth (the other treatment at the time). I definitely think they were going the cheap route, but I'm not convinced it counts as no treatment.
@@AshtaraSilunar Given that the treatment envisioned by the Rosenwald Fund was never begun due to the start of the Great Depression, it seems very likely that the treatment was one of the more expensive and more effective Salvarsans. I suppose the Tuskegee experimenters might have been trying to get an exact evaluation of how nearly useless the other treatments are, but lying to patients to get an exact evaluation of a nearly useless treatment, when a useful treatment is already available, is not only horrifyingly unethical but pointless.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 That's what the study was investigating, back when the study started no one was really sure about the correct treatment or how bad the progress of the disease was that's why you do studies like this. The hole thing is a complete BS propaganda and misinformation. Nothing about the study was unethical everyone was informed that they where receiving "experimental" treatment but this is a common practice even today with placebo studies. The investigation in 1974 that came after the 1972 media misinformation campaign couldn't find anything so not a single doctor even lost his medical license. And this study was done by the Tuskegee University and Eugene Dibble a great man and an excellent doctor. The so called "informed consent" legislation is idiotic and changed absolutely nothing in medical research because it didn't change anything. Even the penicillin threathment is complete misinformation back then penicillin was recommended for early treatment it was unknown how effective will it be with late stages that the people in the study had. That's why they continued it to see if the treatment was good or not. And the recorded number of participants that died from syphilis was 7 not 100 I was trying to find where this number was coming from and all I could find is 2018 book that doesn't say anything about where was this information for.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 People were also intentionally infected with malaria to treat syphilis, because the resulting malarial fever was high enough to kill the Treponema pallidum bacterium that causes syphilis. (That experiment was carried out on convicts, albeit with their knowledge and consent.)
And this expirement did actually make African-Americans less likely to trust white doctors. I'm not sure how much of an affect it had on that, but I heard it cited as a reason not to trust doctors.
Yes. It definitely did. Many of my older family members know about this and still to this day don’t trust doctors. I’ve heard the same thing from other black families and this wasn’t the only medical malpractice done to the community, so there’s plenty there to add to the distrust. Hell, Henrietta Lacks’s family is still fighting over the legacy of them stealing her cells without her knowledge or consent.
I'm black and my mom has pretty bad health problems.. She once had a horribly episode where she was screaming in pain on the floor, I was so scared and at the time was only 12 (im 14 now-), when the ambulance people came they mostly just watched her on the floor while she was in a lot of pain... About 5 days later when my mom came back from the hospital, she said that they barely gave her much attention and she said that it was as if they didnt see her problems as something serious; because of this and stories like the one in this video I dont have trust in doctors.
lol I'm a white (ish? one side of my family is almost entirely unknown but my grandfather is dark complected enough to be questionable) woman. I learned about this in, like, middle school and I have NEVER trusted doctors ever since! I had a phobia of doctors since childhood, but this just justified it!
The US has a plethora of baldly unethical medical experiments undertaken from the 30s to the 70s or so, but this one still takes the "what the absolute f&($+ing hell?" cake. Absolutely gross violation of the most basic of medical and human ethics.
Being completely honest i was expecting a shit/10 like fukushima, except on the ethical scale instead of disaster. Also the amount of people who know about it, or rather the lack of knowledge, is absurdly high. This needs to be taught. People need to know that their government isnt as holy and pure as the media tells.
"Huh, these poor people don't seem to go to the clinic all that much..." "You're right, I'll bet its something to do with their racial or cultural background" "Well they seem to come in if we say its free, should we ask them about it?" "Well traditions can't keep anyone from a great deal, I suppose they'd let us treat them with anything if we say its free."
Speaking from experience throughout my life: this event is why a huge chunk of black Americans are so against vaccines. With that in mind, I try to be a bit more understanding of my own peoples (justifiable) fears. The best we can do is educate our own and help them realize that modern medicine is not the same unethical situation as before. Generational trauma is a real thing indeed...
@@honinakecheta601 you are exactly right again. Unfortunately, often times when you have a hint of rationality with something, it leads to fear that is irrational. That is how I am with spiders. Thunder can’t hurt me. Properly tested vaccines can’t hurt me. Spiders still feel like they can.
This study is exactly why I don’t take part in clinical trials. I’ve been asked to do them before because I had a rare form of ovarian cancer and I always say no. Plus the way doctors treat me when I go in for regular run-of-the-mill complaints. They treat you like you’re just trying to get drugs so I’ve got an untreated for ADD for 50 years. I was 32 when I was finally diagnosed with migraines but they refused to treat because according to them I had dealt with it for years. And the same things going on with my teenage daughter. It almost took in the act of Congress to get them to look at me that led to my cancer diagnosis or should I say misdiagnosis because they thought it was just an ovarian cyst. They didn’t do the biopsy while I was in surgery so they found out days later that it was actually cancer. Many people in my family have gotten lousy treatment from doctors so I just don’t trust them.
@@advocateforyourself Everytime my wife goes they always try to down play what's going on with her and try to give her cheap meds like a Tylenol 3 and send her on her way or misdiagnose her and we have to go to 3 or different doctors before someone finally takes it seriously and give her the right treatment. When she was skinny she had an abdominal problem, they said it was something miniscule like gas..over the months she picked up weight, and "losing weight" was the next excuse they used. Finally, a black female doctor actually did the work and found she had a ulcer.
@@neronah7349 i’m not the least bit surprised and its sad but it happens a lot. I’m glad she only had to go to 3 I had to go to about 20 doctors just to get my cancer diagnosis or should I say misdiagnosis since I was told it was a cyst. But unfortunately we have to deal with them even with know what we’re gonna have to deal with. I’ve been told by numerous doctors I’ll be seeing an oncologist for the rest of my life. Sure looking forward to that (I’m being extremely sarcastic).
So, did Nurse Eunice know the whole plan and go along with it? Or was she duped as well? If she knew and was responsible for hoodwinking those men, she was at least as evil as the rest.
My understanding is that she knew the doctors were with-holding penicillin, and justifying that only in studying the disease in full progression could they show that black people have the same disease progression as white people-- therefore, medicine shouldn't treat them differently in this or other medical ailments. But my further understanding is that the parameters of the study changed over the years. She originally agreed because a short study when there were no viable cures was better than no treatment at all. Then even as the study continued, the value of it to her race as a whole was given as incentive to keep her mouth shut. The reality is that she was a black woman trying to treat poor black people in an area of the country that couldn't get adequate medical care for any ailments. So she was allowed to give a modicum of medical treatment to the participants for this and other stuff, so long as she complied with the study demands. If she had said anything, she would've been blackballed from her nursing job there and at just about any medical facility in the country.
I researched this in high school when we were told to make a presentation about STDs as a group project. As the lead, I took initiative to take a deeper look on Syphilis, and it was probably my first study of unethical medical practices.
If you ever watch the movie Miss Evers' Boys, it touches on this, where it brings into question thr ethical morality of a nurse who knew about it, but didn't say anything. It's a great yet very sad movie..
This would bridge nicely into an episode concerning the horrors of the radiation experiments which followed a similarly unethical path. The book The Plutonium Files documents this betrayal of American citizens by their own government in sickening detail.
At the very least it's definitely a hard pill to swallow seeing how these things only probably happened 4 or 3 generations ago. History has a way of repeating itself if so acknowledgment is taken into consideration.
Well, the comments section certainly didn't disappoint. On the experiment, there's nothing more to say. Just plain, unadultered evilness and ignorance. Heck, them docs only lacked the field-grey uniform. Keep up the good work, John.
@@steambom3350 Why is it that every time someone posts something thats not leftists there's always multiple people immediately responding. Are you guys bots or something?
I saw the results of neuro syphilis in the child of a infected missionary (China) when I worked in a state facility for the mentally disabled in California. By the time treatment was given, her life was ruined.
@@killman369547 Taking it to extremes opens you up to clear holes in that belief. Like the classic railroad dilemma, do you let 1 person die or divert the track and instead kill a group of 10? Choosing to kill only the one is clearly for the greater good given no information on the people tied to the track. But if you're told the 1 person is a highly decorated medical prodigy who will soon find a breakthrough in treating cancer and the 10 people are just average joes then it could be argued saving the doctor would be for the greater good as in turn he will save much more than just 10 people. The term is abused a lot but there are plenty of times throughout history that sacrifices, voluntary and otherwise, were made for the benefit of everyone. Probably one of the most sinister ones was letting Shiro Ishii go free in exchange for his medical findings, which basically jumpstarted modern medical science.
@@MintyLime703 that doesn’t really apply here. in the railroad or trolley question there will be harm no matter what choice you make. when it comes to a lot of unethical science they are not forced to harm people and could do their research in ethical ways.
@@amyglynn6827 yes, but that wasn’t the framework of this conversation. The above posters say there is never an instance that “the greater good” aka utility is acceptable, but that’s just patently not true.
@@ThunderStruck15 the original commenter was talking about “the greater good” when it comes to scientific experiments and such. and when it comes to scientific experiments and people defending them by saying “it’s for the greater good”. they weren’t making a broad philosophical claim.
This one would be like a 21 out of 10 for me. This was so horrific, racist, intentionally evil, and just... God. I hope all the people who knowingly participated in doing this to people suffer for eternity (not the victims, but the people in charge etc.)
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Good god, where do I begin. Ugh. Nowhere. If you can’t already see what’s wrong with your drivel, nothing I say is going to enlighten you.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 i know polish people who don't want to take it either :/ and black people are rarely taken seriously for their health issues. it's more than this experiment that makes them untrusting
It is worth noting that the experimenters specifically wanted African-American males because they were buttressing similar research that had already been done on white men with syphilis in Norway. At the time, it was thought that syphilis affected people differently depending on their race.
Wow! What a tragedy! I’m the daughter of an immigrant born on this land and have been learning about a new atrocity towards black and native Americans each day! Thank you for making this information more available and adding sources to study further!
@@george.eliot42who gives af, we’re talking about a singular group. Like there all plenty of videos explaining y’all history and if your grown you slow asf for even commenting that.
There's something really, deeply stupid about the line 'They wouldn't want treatment anyway' when the only way they could get people to participate was by offering them medical care.
Not to mention hiding the diagnosis from the patients… if they truly believed they wouldn’t want treatment anyway, why would it have hurt their study to inform the patients, hmm?… the whole point was supposedly to study untreated syphillis… if you genuinely believe your patients won’t seek treatment then no harm in telling them. Clearly they knew that was a lie from the get
In my AP biology class in highschool we read about this in the Immortal life of Henrietta Lacks. It touched on it briefly when describing black Americans hesitancy to get medical help. It’s so horrific I can’t even begin to imagine what the victims went through. I think it’s a 10 on the scale.
@@marialiyubman each and every human is capable of horrible things in the right circumstances while being made believe that they are doing the right thing. My country, germany, is a good example for this
When working as a psych nurse myself in the 80's, some of the really old patients were some that were cured of tertiary syphilis but too late and the damage to the nervous system and brain was too far gone for them to be anything but disabled and many of them ended up having psychosurgery to "calm" them down from their ravaged state thus were fairly zombified by the state by time the chemical strait jackets came into play. It really was a nasty nasty disease and in the system we used to call it the gift that kept giving simply as it was so hard to eradicate once it was set in and many British men were too afraid to go to the doctors lest they were accused of sleeping with prostitutes and little was understood about the transmission, in Victorian times it was believed a man who had the disease could cure himself if he slept with a virgin, thus leading to a rise in girls with renewable virginity thanks to a seamstresses stitch and the likelihood the girl was raddled with syphilis at the end of it was terrible for the poor thing.
As an American, I think it's extremely important that all Americans in particular know the details of this profoundly unethical study, as well as the other hilariously unethical biological/radiological experiments performed by US doctors. The west was responsible for plenty of crimes against humanity, just as the Communist East.
@@iciajay6891 A lot of us are learning about these things regardless of what we’re taught. Yes, too many are still ignorant but change is not impossible.
When I was in high school they made us watch films about venereal diseases and had graphic photos of chancres and other sores on various body parts. Great stuff to look at, especially at lunchtime.
What makes the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment so egregious is that it was started in response to the Oslo Study carried out by Boeck and documented by Bruusgaard, Dr. Clark a 20 year study where infected people were denied treatment for Syphilis. So, the question is why repeat an experiment that has already been done?
Well, experiments have to be repeated by diferent teams to make sure the data is true. Not that this is an experiment that should have been done in the first place.
The original study was on white people, and the thinking at the time was that black people progress differently. So proving that idea wrong was supposedly one of the 'incentives'/ reasonings given for continuing the study and keeping Nurse Eunice onboard even as treatment became available.
honestly sometimes i think it’s purely because they’re uneducated as to what was happening then or they’re simply not a minority. when i think of the 50’s i think of oppression. not because that’s who i want to be but no matter what, i wouldn’t be able to marry who i want or be who i want and worse case scenario, i wouldn’t live long enough to even try to do so due to the many inhuman experiments like these
There's a wonderful movie about this called Miss Evers' Boys. I had never heard about this until I saw the movie in the late 90s. It's horrifying to think of what these men and their families were put through.
Beyond rating for me and I am left saddened and emotionally drained. I am even unhappy liking the video despite being very pleased to have been made aware of the trial. I would like to think that we are beyond performing medical experiments on the uninformed population just to see what happens but I am not sure if now is really the time to say that! There’s something very uncomfortable also about the punitive fine coming from the public purse whilst the perpetrators go scot free. Sometimes I despair of my species.
From the state this was conducted in. Unsurprisingly, this was never mentioned in our State or US history books. The only mention of Tuskegee at all was the Tuskegee Airmen. So thanks for making this video and telling us of the history this state/country apparently doesnt want anyone to know.
I'm a black guy from Syracuse, NY. I live in San Francisco, CA. I speak machinese, I am fluent in electricity. The Tuskegee Expirament is horrific bullshit. Thank you, John for sharing, liked, commented subscribed.
i know this really doesn’t have anything to do with the experiment but i’m from alabama and hearing him say “ma-con” county made me laugh because we all say “may-con.” i know it’s accents and dialects but it made me giggle.
Im from alabama as well but they never taught this in school. I knew there were shady things done in alabama in the past but when i learned of this i got sick to my stomach.
@@GearGuardianGaming i actually found a book in my library about it. the librarian was surprised i found it because nobody had read it in a long time. they really should teach this in schools.
@@sadietaylorsversion13 yeah they should but they wont. They want people to trust the government. I say give the people the truth and let them decide who to trust.
Fellow southerner here (from georgia) and I was just about to make a similar comment correcting the pronunciation, lol. MAY-con. Mak-KON makes me think of macaroons XD Either way, what a terrible thing to have done to all those people. I really am just appalled at the myriad ways people will mistreat one another
I think Voltaire quotes says it all about the foundations and effects of racism “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
It's not controversial. It's morally and ethically detestable, and part of American history. I'm an American, and I love stuff like this. Because in keeping myself, and then my three daughters educated about stuff like this, it will never happen again. What's controversial is people being too thin-skinned to talk about history, and instead think burying it is the solution. I'm a US Marine veteran, and navigating the complicated histories of, not only what happened during my service, but Marine Corps history in general, and how they've been used clandestinely to do things like overthrow leaders and engage in Coupes. None of that means we should hide any of it.
@@mgtowdadTH-camSucksCoxks cool you seem pretty proud veteran considering all modern wars started from a false flag op in pursuit of corporate greed and self interest.
I simply have no words. Beyond horrific a complete lack of professional integrity, a complete disregard for the oaths those doctors swore and a profound example of pure systemic racism.
Nope. Marion Sims was the USA's version of Mengele. He was the father of gynecology and vivisected live enslaved black women. He didn't use anesthesia because he believed blacks had a much higher threshold of pain than white people.
Thanks for covering, PD! I remember when Clinton apologized for Tuskegee, HBO made the movie, "The Tuskegee Airmen" to imply that THAT was "Tuskegee experiments" Americans were starting to hear about; where black people were occasionally insulted by bumbling white people, while they walked to their airplanes to die for a country that hated them, while beautiful glory music plays on the soundtrack. The regime forgot to mention that part about underhandedly infecting them with contagious disease.
1. Whites got experimented on unwillignily and unknowingly resulting in the ruined lives of many and deaths. 2. Whites knew about it what do you expect them to do about it? Theyre sick of hearing it over and over for something nobody they ever knew in their lifetime of the people that were behind this personally. BLACKS ARENT SPECIAL 3. Whites get shit too about wars VIetnam Iraq and Afghanistan welcome to the club. STOP TRYING TO BE SO SPECIAL.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 So your response to government corruption and genocide, and the media that throws a rug over it for them, is to genocide yourselves even further? While the people who did it count their money? Let me know how that turns out for ya!
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Bro, are you seriously mad people re talking about non-whites suffering? As Michael Jordan once said: "Stop it. Get some help."
@@CynnamonSpyder fr his comment really showed just how bothered he is over history and the cruelty done to human beings funny how he claims to be tired of hearing about issues such as this but decided to click on the video to only complain about it.
I'd love for you to look into what the aboriginals in Australia were put thru by the colonist to eradicate them. I once saw a telegraph message from a farmer asking for strychnine cause he had " an infestation of " native vermin" who was using his damn for water. Telegraph was from 1950s....not much has changed here.
I am happy to report from Alabama, that we are indeed too busy bonking our relatives to do something like this again. PS: If you see my sister, tell her that I am sorry. She can come home, we can be a real family again and forget this whole thing happened.
This made me furious and sick to my stomach. Just another example of why we can’t trust ANY governmental institution to tell the truth to the people who pay their damn salaries. They may act like they’ve changed, but actually they only got caught being unethical cockroaches. I’m sure there’s still a lot going on behind CDC, NIH closed doors.
Good video. However, there's one part that was only partially correct. While the study was started in the 1920's, there was no cure for syphilis until the 1940's. The project was initially designed to better understand the disease and not tell the participants they had it because they couldn't do anything for them anyways. It truly became terrible when a cure was found and they did not tell the participants. THAT'S why we study this today. That's what makes it evil.
Actually the effective treatment for syphilis (and other bacterial infections) was discovered way back in 1909 and the substance in question is a form of arsenic. All countries relied on it to treat infections during WW2 while Penicillin, although known, only played a minor role at best. US National Archive has several documentaries from 20s and 30s specifically about treating syphilis and various efforts in order to reach people in rural areas including authentic videos.
fun fact- the chancres you get in the first stage don’t actually hurt! it’s essentially these little holes with puss and stuff, we recently studied STIs in human bio and it’s always astounding seeing photos knowing that it just doesn’t hurt
@@dannycolwell8028 reading this back i am mortified at how much it looks like i’m speaking from experience XD (although having an STI doesn’t make you a bad person)
Never have I watched something that actually made me so sick that I could barely watch it. These videos leave a rotten feeling in my stomach but are very important for the public to know the horrors of what the world's governments have done.
I only ever found out about the this from an older black man that served in the Air Force. He came to our pharmacy every couple of months and one day he opened up about serving in the military and keeping a supply of penicillin on him of which he took once weekly because he was concerned that the government would try the Tuskegee Experiment again.
Syphilis killed my grandpa and almost took my grandmas life too. He was left with bad scarring in his heart and subsequently died of a heart attack at 59. My grandma was in the hospital for a week or two in critical condition and thankfully made it through. Grandpa was a cheater and didn’t tell grandma about his STD diagnosis…
I’m from Australia, and I have of course heard of these experiments. But not the actual full extent and the time span. It made me sick to my stomach learning what was done to these men and their families. Like honestly, what the fuck is wrong with the human race that we would treat our fellow man this way?!
There is an exhibit covering this subject at the University of Tuskegee. I live within a 45min drive of here and have visited a few times over the years to see the campus and the museum on campus
What gets me is that early on, you could have justified this. There was no real treatment for Syphilis at the time. These people were living on borrowed time and at best, their suffering could be used to help others. But once a treatment was found, the people in this community were prevented from getting it.
Salvarsan was the first, somewhat effective treatment for syphilis, starting in 1909. I suspect this is the treatment the Julius Rosenwald Fund intended to use.
I only clicked LIKE because this story is indeed sorrowful to watch but it should be watched , studied and remembered. Held as an example of evils we need to face and grow beyond .
I graduated from a rural high school in Michigan in 1986. A requirement to graduate was passing a yearlong American History class as a junior. (The survey of subjects covered was so limited it was criminal in retrospect.) My teacher covered the Civil War and WWII in detail and kind of skipped around in everything else. There was detail in Auschwitz and condemnation of the experiments conducted under Mengele. Cool - experiments bad, Mengele badder, Hitler worse. Then came the day when a classmate raised her hand and asked about the Tuskegee syphilis study. I have no idea how she knew about it (I didn't and I was a newsie-history buff..) and, to this day I remember the teacher's response of 'sometimes the medical knowledge outweighs the circumstances'. I'm embarrassed to share this story, but I'm sure this was not unique at the time. Do we need critical race education? Absolutely. The truth must fuel education. If not, than it is propaganda and akin to fostering genocide.
At THAT time? I'm in Louisiana, have been for over 30 years, I dont have many friends because literally most people here would just straight up say "they just nigg*rs so it doesn't matter".... I hate this place with a passion and desperately want to move. But Im stuck here because capitalism..
@@Castlependragon Wait till you find out why the US didnt overthrow the japaneese emperor or pursue any war criminals. Its the same reason we are able to detect where a bullet came from based on a splatter. So yeah dark medical practices can lead to amazing discoveries.
@@ethancampbell8350 Southwest, between GR and Kalamazoo. The high school was built (and I am not kidding) next to a dairy farm's liquid manure pit. Football games were, ummmm, challenging at times. Rural as rural gets😉.
I'm sorry a small shot of Mercury was administered to the participants so they felt like they had been given treatment?!? Isn't that actively detrimental to their study? Like they clearly just wanted their test subjects to suffer...
It made me very sad too John. I just want to say "Thank you!" for researching this & presenting it so well. It can't have been easy. It wasn't easy to watch & I can only imagine what it was like to live with, intensively, for a period. It's worth getting this story out there! As soon as you mentioned a mercury injection i thought "Hang on a minute!". That's an early treatment for syphilis! And then there's that damned nurse! How did she sleep with herself at night? But it's just the barefaced lies & evil subterfuge involved in this disgusting experiment that seems to have existed just to exist. No meaningful data came out of it! And to think, they'd've done better to be drafted than to continue! Nauseating!
I had heard of this experiment in a book I read (IIRC, it was "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks") but had no real details on it. The complete and utter disregard for the lives of the men and their families is sickening. Also, I had presumed that it was something that happened a very long time ago - maybe when my parents were kids - but to learn that it continued on into my own lifetime is mind-boggling. At the risk of getting political, I can better understand (not agree with, mind you, but understand) why Alabama conservatives are fighting so hard to have CRT and Black history kept out of schools, the cowards.
Isn't the entire point of medical science to FIX illnesses. Sure it's valuable for diagnostic purposes to know what symptoms present when let untreated, but they already diagnosed them with syphilis...
THANK YOU!!! 'PD'....you have done an SUPERIOR Job in outlying this Horrible part of US History, ( NOT going to get political ) The book, I have seen, once a few years back and wish, Now, that I have purchased it....I Will look for it again. 'PD', I'm sure it was a Very tough subject to research and condense to your video, and researching the disease was well researched ...... I'm sure this video was ............ "Plainly Difficult"!!
man, everytime I start feeling a little better about mankind in general, I find something like this............ I knew about it, but not to this depth.... 10
Love the videos PD , just FYI Macon county is pronounced May-con. What's really sad is I grew up and still live less than 75 miles from Tuskegee and never heard of these experiments or studies. It's a horrible mark against the United States of America and the great state of Alabama that I call home.
I'm from Nashville so I've heard more than a few things about this my mom was a nurse all of her career having been before the year 2000. It's just disgusting.
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Where would you rate this subject on my ethical scale? Let me know here!
10, absolute racist and unethical
11/10. I lack vocabulary to describe how horrible this is.
10, holy #$%. Thanks for another video!
Meh, it’s USA, this is expected of them
This is a 7...but Plainly D is #1!!!
And the worst bit about this is the government wasn't sorry that they did this. They said they're sorry only because they got caught.
And even worse, that hasn't changed one bit.
Shows a perfect example of the true mentality of people who seek power over others. Control freaks really are the bane of the human race, the sooner we start to identify the worst control freaks within our societies and limit the power they can have, the closer we'll be to having a better world for us all to live in.
If Costco poisoned people with there food, would they tell you right away? Or would they just ignore it untill someone points it out? Neither the government or the big corporations can be trusted, I have been given no proof, in why I should trust them. They always ignore issues untill they become public knowledge, and then blame the public for the issues..
Actually they admitted to many excitements even when nobody caught them
But we can totally trust them now. Or something...
We were taught about this in my Ethics course at medical school. A truly horrific violation of basic human rights. Sadly, this is just one of several inhumane clinical trials conducted by the USA during the 40s to the 70s.
As a topic for this series may I recommend the flawed studies leading to unnecessary thymus reduction radiological therapies in normal USA children.
BuT ThEY OnLY TEaCh A WHiTe VeRsiOn Of HiStoRy - Some BLM Terrorist.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 unless your specifically taking an ethics course, they often do only teach the whitewashed version of history, as otherwise all history lessons would involve a healthy dose of "and then they committed this atrocity against this group". US history is a history of atrocities with not much else, it's a side effect of having a nation built on the back of an active genocide, slavery, more genocide, still more slavery, then racial discrimination, persecution and murder. The only part thats really changed since then is the number of murders that go unpunished has decreased, everything else is still there, just under the surface.
Not to say this is true of all of the US, but it's the case in far too much of it to say there isn't a problem. The target of the racism has for some changed too, but the racism is still there.
@@HighlandLaddie I said often, not always. Also you still got a whitewashed version, just not completely whitewashed. If you got the full unfiltered actual history, you can guarantee half the parents in your school district would have been trying to burn down the school.
It's the same in most countries though, many tend to skip over alot of their more controversial history, or only provide a few examples, often ignoring the constant day to day examples which tend to be so much worse than the "oh we did this back then". The unedited version often becomes this person, your relative only a few generations ago did this, on a daily basis, and didn't think twice about actively causing this person pain and suffering because they could and it was the "done thing". The examples vary from "simple things like" refusing to sell items to people causing them to suffer hardship, all the way up to rape, murder and slave trading and anything in between.
And it's still happening today!!!
@@HighlandLaddie I didn’t. Hell, I wasn’t even taught about segregation and slavery until I was in high school. I’m glad you had a much better history program at your schools.
If anyone wants to hear more about this topic, I’m obliged to recommend the two-part coverage of this experiment on the “You’re Wrong About” podcast, they also do a fantastic job recapping this event
Thanks 'Captain' ...... I will check it out.
I second this!
Aye Cap'in well give er a look
Where can I listen to it? Is it on Spotify?
@@Kay-ph6ld yep! That’s how I listen to it!
The "Some races won't want treatment" gives me "Women can't ride trains because their uteruses will fly out" vibes.
EDIT 1/7/22: Never have I seen a joke comment about flying uteruses generate SO MUCH DISCOURSE.
In Saudi Arabia, they are banning women from riding bicycles out of concerns that the bicycle seat might cause them to lose their virginity. People do not learn.
@@CZpersi lol really? oO
Some races don't have ID so forcing an ID to vote is racist!
@@CZpersi It is the year 2021.
A. virginity is a concept, not a physical state of being. It means that you've never had sex, not that you body is altered in any way. Do they mean it might break their hymen? Because it's been proven that it can break FROM LITERALLY ANYTHING. Walking! Running! Squatting too hard! The actual fuck.
B. We should know enough about human anatomy by now that these myths still existing should make those her perpetuate them feel embarrassed.
@@crazykingofspades5101 you’re forgetting about the biggest issue. Willful ignorance will never be compensated. “None is so blind as he who shall not see”
I appreciate your wording which helps personify the victims in this study. When you blatantly stated just how “…disgusting [the] result…” you picked exactly the right wording. Not demeaning it or using hyperbole or skipping over how much of a devastating loss of life this was and for literally nothing. It truly is in every sense of the word, disgusting, especially considering those 400 people could have disappeared off planet Earth (in agony) and denied remembrance without the single person who spoke up. Great videos! I’ve watched all of these and frequently rewatch your videos because they are exceptionally well researched and produced. I support you! I also support and will remember the 399 unfortunate souls who were denied the chance to have healthy, happy lives their very own healthcare workers (and everyone else who needed treatment) were afforded.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Dude shut up, quit spamming the same nonsensical comment on everyone's post and get that chip off your shoulder.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Could you stop spamming your racist BS in every comment thread? We don't need more of your ignorance in the world.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Terrorism is the use of physical violence to enforce a political idea.
Terrorism is not showing history from the perspective of its victims.
Even more the pain the men suffered and how they all died one by one without no help
@@Ragedaonenlonely I'm trying to understand how that comment is racist? It appears people have been so very manipulated by the white supremacist Democrat Partys race baiting, that they seriously lost sight of what racism actually is. Repeating one of the biggest talking points of the left isn't racist.. I mean, it's a belief they speak of often. They seriously believe that accurate history isn't taught, but a watered down white folks version is. They may not be correct in the fact that the history taught in this Country is changed to be pro white.. but they certainly do omit vital information these days, or all the people screaming in the streets about modern day oppression would understand that the only people in this Country that was ever responsible for the abuse, mistreatment & oppression of black Americans was in fact the flaming racist Democrat Party. The Democrats who owned 92% of those enslaved, the Democrats who went to war with their fellow Americans in an attempt to keep their slaves, the Democrat Party that created the KKK to kill frees slaves that helped start the Republican Party to stop slavery from advancing North, the Democrat Party that implemented Jim Crow laws, the Democrat Party that fought AGAINST EVERY SINGLE AMMENDMENT to the constitution that gave black Americans their God Given rights, the Democrat Party that has written EVERY SINGLE crime bill that INTENTIONALLY meant to disproportionately incarcerate black Americans.. I mean we could go on & on. Joe Biden himself fought alongside his bestfriends in Congress, who were KKK members & one was the Local KKK leader.. he fought alongside these men to keep black Americans segregated & devoid of human rights. If the truth were taught, when we speak of racist politicians.. MSNBC would definitely play the clips of Biden equating black children to jungle animals on National Television, or when he recently called black Children COCKROACHES to their faces, and no doubt they play the interview when Biden said that "Obama is the VERY FIRST African American EVER to be Bright, Articulate & Clean". He even went on to say it was like a storybook that a black man could possess such qualities. Let that sink in. Could their possibly be a mindset more deserving of the term white supremacist? Joe Biden literally believes Obama is the Very First black man to be Bright, Articulate & Clean.
Insane that bismuth was used for treatment instead of the more widely available and less toxic penicillin...they really wanted to participants of this study to suffer. The researchers had to know on some level the amount of suffering they were causing, and yet refused to stop. So disgusting
Exactly why the "For the greater good" argument is terrifying.
...its because " THEY " didn't want to alter the effects of the "experiment" ... instead giving those men....shiny things in syringes, like Hg!! ( W H A T !!! ) - former science teacher 20+years
I don't what it's worst, if bismuth or mercury!
Was the logic that bismuth didn't count as "treatment" according to contemporary medicine?? The logical insanity that apparently triumphed in the name of white supremacy, I mean ?!?!!
@Ive heard injecting mercury into people also has great results....
I can see in some of the comments here that some people can not separate science from ethics. The ethical use of science is what matters. There have been endless unethical uses of science.
You volunteering?
@@moisesortega3684 Your comment obviously is ignoring the OP's point. Science is a method and a tool. Tools do nothing on their own. A knife can both take and save a life. Hammers can build or destroy.
The point here is the wielder. Science on its own is a tool, for weal or woe.
Unit 731 is one
@@blizztedo7577 that's not the point either. the point is that people ALLOWED this to happen. yes a knife, a hammer,science are tools. so were the people using them. the people who funded,threw money into this,gave them facilities to do itand outright lying is an entirely different story
In my hometown there was a state hospital that teamed up with MIT and Quaker Oats that wanted to study how radioactive isotopes were processed in the body. Needless to say many special needs children were fed this “special” oatmeal and tested.
A really evil story. Two other topics that you might investigate: the Cincinnati radiation experiments that happened in the post-war period and the "father of gynecology" who vivisected his slaves to develop his surgical procedures.
Also look into Alfred Kinsey, the father of modern sexology. An absolute deviant, even molested babies for “research”
@@scottydu81 And John Money.
Yes!
Also, I have to get the details again, but I remember that the government sprayed 'experimental' chemicals over Minneapolis (goodness, I think mid 60s) in the 'bad' part of town 😡?!?
When I was young, I used to be horrified, now I am not at all surprised every time I hear another awful thing. 😭
@@scottydu81 wait what? I'm too scared to Google those things 😫 I really hope that's not true but it's probably is
@@AirQuotes Not only is it true, modern “comprehensive sex education” touted by liberals all comes from research from the Alfred Kinsey Institute
I think what boggles my mind most about this is that the last patient died in 2004, and only in 1973 was any action taken to reprimand the study for the suffering of the families And that the study only was officially stopped in 1972 a full 40 years later. Definitely a 10+ on the ethical scale because this is just awful, especially how long it went on for.
And they threw a miserly 10000 at them. Pitiful
Well thats what you get for trusting the government.
And even that man who asked them to stop waited like 4 years while still working on it
And all who thinks America is now a more caring society, let me see your hands 😊😊
The medical folks involved should of been sent to prison, for life. It's essentially torture and manslaughter.
The fact this took SO long to uncover makes this one a 10 in my opinion.
How so?
I've known about this for 20 years. The info has been out there for a while now.
@@neronah7349 i think they meant literally being uncovered like exposed during that time, that this unethical experiment went on so long without anyone intervening
abuses like this study and other studies by the medical community are a lot of the reason behind the scepticism many black people have towards the medical community today, and i can’t say i blame them for it. this wasn’t the only horrifying experiment/“study” that used and abused black people specifically.
I completely agree!
I believe everyone should have scepticism of companies making tens of billions of dollars from in many cases untested and unsafe products.
@@RyosukeTakahashiRX7 it is literally inherently about race with regards to this study lmao
@@RyosukeTakahashiRX7 the stated goal of the study was to observe the effects of untreated syphilis in black men. No one made it about race but the original researchers.
@@RyosukeTakahashiRX7 Lol, did you NOT watch the video? This was study was ENTIRELY about race.
Being from Alabama, and having most of my education here, I still had NEVER heard of this study until this video. I'd put it at a solid 110 on the Plainly ethical scale. It's disgusting how they treated those involved, and I'm appalled after learning about this. I just can't put into words how much this disgusted me, but the attention to all detail in your videos is what makes this video such an educational experience. Thank you for making me more aware of the appalling history of the state I call home.
Same
@Over It Chief. I guarantee you I wouldn't have missed something like this, lmao good try though
There is other cases like this one. For example in Puerto Rico, an American Doctor implanted cancer cells to many people to see how fast they died among other things. Doctor name was Cornelius
Oh huh they DEFINITELY ARENT GOING TO TEACH YOU I doubt theyll even teach you about the actual horrors of slavery I'm from Indiana and I heard of it but wr were never taught and it's very disgusting and disturbing
@Over It they absolutely do not teach this youd have to take a ethics class if you actually want to know which is normally in college
Agreed on 9/10 unethical. I do want to add, though-- mercury *was* the standard treatment at the time the study began, they weren't administering it for no reason at all. Where this went from unethical to horrifying imo was when it continued past the discovery and widespread availability of penicillin.
Wasn't Salvarsan the standard treatment for syphilis in the 20s and 30s? As I understand it, Salvasan was nasty, toxic stuff but did offer a chance at a real cure. Presumably, the Julius Rosenwald Fund had an effective treatment in mind, while the goals of the Tuskegee study would be better served with an ineffective treatment.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 Hmm, you're right, my dates were off. So, yes, as of 1912 or so, Neosalvarsan was standard. But Salvarsan and Neosalvarsan are super oxygen reactive, so they had to be stored as powder in airtight vials full of nitrogen, and mixed very very fast with water or they would oxidize. Not exactly easy to use. Missionaries trying to treat yaws (No More to Spend by Messac) also noted that for the cost of one dose of neosalvarsan, they could provide 300 doses of bismuth (the other treatment at the time). I definitely think they were going the cheap route, but I'm not convinced it counts as no treatment.
@@AshtaraSilunar Given that the treatment envisioned by the Rosenwald Fund was never begun due to the start of the Great Depression, it seems very likely that the treatment was one of the more expensive and more effective Salvarsans. I suppose the Tuskegee experimenters might have been trying to get an exact evaluation of how nearly useless the other treatments are, but lying to patients to get an exact evaluation of a nearly useless treatment, when a useful treatment is already available, is not only horrifyingly unethical but pointless.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 That's what the study was investigating, back when the study started no one was really sure about the correct treatment or how bad the progress of the disease was that's why you do studies like this. The hole thing is a complete BS propaganda and misinformation. Nothing about the study was unethical everyone was informed that they where receiving "experimental" treatment but this is a common practice even today with placebo studies. The investigation in 1974 that came after the 1972 media misinformation campaign couldn't find anything so not a single doctor even lost his medical license. And this study was done by the Tuskegee University and Eugene Dibble a great man and an excellent doctor. The so called "informed consent" legislation is idiotic and changed absolutely nothing in medical research because it didn't change anything. Even the penicillin threathment is complete misinformation back then penicillin was recommended for early treatment it was unknown how effective will it be with late stages that the people in the study had. That's why they continued it to see if the treatment was good or not. And the recorded number of participants that died from syphilis was 7 not 100 I was trying to find where this number was coming from and all I could find is 2018 book that doesn't say anything about where was this information for.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 People were also intentionally infected with malaria to treat syphilis, because the resulting malarial fever was high enough to kill the Treponema pallidum bacterium that causes syphilis. (That experiment was carried out on convicts, albeit with their knowledge and consent.)
"If there is evil in this world, it lurks in the hearts of men."
-Edward D. Morrison
YES
"The greatest trick evil men ever played was convincing good men to blame the devil."
@@alexv3357 why would good men blame the devil? That doesn't make any sense. Bad men would do that.
@@chilldudie242 Because the good men were stupid. They were good and stupid, and so they were tricked.
@@straypaper I don't think it's good to be stupid. That seems bad as well.
Good means morally upright and intelligent, high quality.
And this expirement did actually make African-Americans less likely to trust white doctors. I'm not sure how much of an affect it had on that, but I heard it cited as a reason not to trust doctors.
Yes. It definitely did. Many of my older family members know about this and still to this day don’t trust doctors. I’ve heard the same thing from other black families and this wasn’t the only medical malpractice done to the community, so there’s plenty there to add to the distrust. Hell, Henrietta Lacks’s family is still fighting over the legacy of them stealing her cells without her knowledge or consent.
I'm black and my mom has pretty bad health problems.. She once had a horribly episode where she was screaming in pain on the floor, I was so scared and at the time was only 12 (im 14 now-), when the ambulance people came they mostly just watched her on the floor while she was in a lot of pain... About 5 days later when my mom came back from the hospital, she said that they barely gave her much attention and she said that it was as if they didnt see her problems as something serious; because of this and stories like the one in this video I dont have trust in doctors.
lol I'm a white (ish? one side of my family is almost entirely unknown but my grandfather is dark complected enough to be questionable) woman. I learned about this in, like, middle school and I have NEVER trusted doctors ever since! I had a phobia of doctors since childhood, but this just justified it!
The one that gets a "What The $#¡+??? out of 10 on the Plainly Difficult Ethical Scale!"
I agree!
The US has a plethora of baldly unethical medical experiments undertaken from the 30s to the 70s or so, but this one still takes the "what the absolute f&($+ing hell?" cake. Absolutely gross violation of the most basic of medical and human ethics.
Being completely honest i was expecting a shit/10 like fukushima, except on the ethical scale instead of disaster. Also the amount of people who know about it, or rather the lack of knowledge, is absurdly high. This needs to be taught. People need to know that their government isnt as holy and pure as the media tells.
"Huh, these poor people don't seem to go to the clinic all that much..."
"You're right, I'll bet its something to do with their racial or cultural background"
"Well they seem to come in if we say its free, should we ask them about it?"
"Well traditions can't keep anyone from a great deal, I suppose they'd let us treat them with anything if we say its free."
Speaking from experience throughout my life: this event is why a huge chunk of black Americans are so against vaccines. With that in mind, I try to be a bit more understanding of my own peoples (justifiable) fears. The best we can do is educate our own and help them realize that modern medicine is not the same unethical situation as before. Generational trauma is a real thing indeed...
No one ever wants to be experimented on, so it’s a very understandable fear.
@@pendremacherald6758 yes, it’s understandable fears. Just don’t let them become *irrational* fears at the risk of your own health and others.
@@honinakecheta601 you are exactly right again. Unfortunately, often times when you have a hint of rationality with something, it leads to fear that is irrational. That is how I am with spiders. Thunder can’t hurt me. Properly tested vaccines can’t hurt me. Spiders still feel like they can.
id heard of this, but i had no idea how long it went on. absolutely unforgivable. thank you for covering this subject
As a Black American, I'd like to express my appreciation to you for covering this topic🌺
As an American stop labeling yourself as what color you are. No one cares. We all have suffered.
@@ThillerKillerX As a Black American, your triggered response to my mentioning being Black is hilarious to me. Thank you, I needed a pick-me-up😃😂🤣
@@ThillerKillerX this is so incredibly tone deaf given the context of this video. you are a terrible representation.
@@ThillerKillerX Not everyone suffers the same. If you step in a thorn and I get stabbed we both suffered.
@@ThillerKillerX 🤣 if no one cares then why are you so bothered.
The amount of unethical experiments and meddling in other countries governments the U.S. does/has done is sickening
everybody needs a hobby.
Just that in this case it's also quite the kink.
Every government, not just the u.s.
@@fredtaylor9792 uh...no.
@@fredtaylor9792 You're so wrong lmaoooo
Have you ever heard of china?
This study is exactly why I don’t take part in clinical trials. I’ve been asked to do them before because I had a rare form of ovarian cancer and I always say no. Plus the way doctors treat me when I go in for regular run-of-the-mill complaints. They treat you like you’re just trying to get drugs so I’ve got an untreated for ADD for 50 years. I was 32 when I was finally diagnosed with migraines but they refused to treat because according to them I had dealt with it for years. And the same things going on with my teenage daughter. It almost took in the act of Congress to get them to look at me that led to my cancer diagnosis or should I say misdiagnosis because they thought it was just an ovarian cyst. They didn’t do the biopsy while I was in surgery so they found out days later that it was actually cancer. Many people in my family have gotten lousy treatment from doctors so I just don’t trust them.
I'm willing to bet that you're a black woman. It's typical for them to treat us like that
Yes I am and I refuse to do them because the way I was treated.
@@advocateforyourself
Everytime my wife goes they always try to down play what's going on with her and try to give her cheap meds like a Tylenol 3 and send her on her way or misdiagnose her and we have to go to 3 or different doctors before someone finally takes it seriously and give her the right treatment. When she was skinny she had an abdominal problem, they said it was something miniscule like gas..over the months she picked up weight, and "losing weight" was the next excuse they used. Finally, a black female doctor actually did the work and found she had a ulcer.
@@neronah7349 i’m not the least bit surprised and its sad but it happens a lot. I’m glad she only had to go to 3 I had to go to about 20 doctors just to get my cancer diagnosis or should I say misdiagnosis since I was told it was a cyst. But unfortunately we have to deal with them even with know what we’re gonna have to deal with. I’ve been told by numerous doctors I’ll be seeing an oncologist for the rest of my life. Sure looking forward to that (I’m being extremely sarcastic).
Honestly this is really no different then anyone on SSI you just become a guinea pig
So, did Nurse Eunice know the whole plan and go along with it? Or was she duped as well? If she knew and was responsible for hoodwinking those men, she was at least as evil as the rest.
She knew.
yeah pretty certain she was in on it
I don't think it would have went well for her if she went against it.
My understanding is that she knew the doctors were with-holding penicillin, and justifying that only in studying the disease in full progression could they show that black people have the same disease progression as white people-- therefore, medicine shouldn't treat them differently in this or other medical ailments. But my further understanding is that the parameters of the study changed over the years. She originally agreed because a short study when there were no viable cures was better than no treatment at all. Then even as the study continued, the value of it to her race as a whole was given as incentive to keep her mouth shut.
The reality is that she was a black woman trying to treat poor black people in an area of the country that couldn't get adequate medical care for any ailments. So she was allowed to give a modicum of medical treatment to the participants for this and other stuff, so long as she complied with the study demands. If she had said anything, she would've been blackballed from her nursing job there and at just about any medical facility in the country.
@@angelintraining8199 so she knew and did nothing? What a hypocrite
I researched this in high school when we were told to make a presentation about STDs as a group project.
As the lead, I took initiative to take a deeper look on Syphilis, and it was probably my first study of unethical medical practices.
If you ever watch the movie Miss Evers' Boys, it touches on this, where it brings into question thr ethical morality of a nurse who knew about it, but didn't say anything.
It's a great yet very sad movie..
I'd rename the "ethical scale" to something like "cruelty scale". Now it sounds like it's 9/10 ethically sound
Or Unethical Scale at least.
This would bridge nicely into an episode concerning the horrors of the radiation experiments which followed a similarly unethical path. The book The Plutonium Files documents this betrayal of American citizens by their own government in sickening detail.
Ohhh dear.
What about the Pacific Islanders that were guinea pigs during the h bomb tests to see the effects of the fallout the bombs caused
This was not long ago, not far away and done by people like us.
done by our grandparents! someone is walking around and their grandfather is the man shooting the arm of the other person in the picture.
At the very least it's definitely a hard pill to swallow seeing how these things only probably happened 4 or 3 generations ago. History has a way of repeating itself if so acknowledgment is taken into consideration.
@@Respectfully_ "history has a way of repeating itself" 2021
@@ms.hotdoglegs614 I know you see what's going on am I wrong?
@@Respectfully_ you're correct.
Well, the comments section certainly didn't disappoint.
On the experiment, there's nothing more to say. Just plain, unadultered evilness and ignorance. Heck, them docs only lacked the field-grey uniform.
Keep up the good work, John.
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@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 calm down. Don't bring modem politics into this please. We are here for gruesome history, not politics
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 no one ever taught me this in class. I had to read about it myself.
@@steambom3350 Why is it that every time someone posts something thats not leftists there's always multiple people immediately responding. Are you guys bots or something?
Makes you think about similar things today. I know. You know.
I saw the results of neuro syphilis in the child of a infected missionary (China) when I worked in a state facility for the mentally disabled in California. By the time treatment was given, her life was ruined.
A cautionary tale for why the “greater good” is never that.
Exactly. Everytime i hear someone say "for the greater good" i just want to punch them in the face as hard as i can.
@@killman369547 Taking it to extremes opens you up to clear holes in that belief. Like the classic railroad dilemma, do you let 1 person die or divert the track and instead kill a group of 10? Choosing to kill only the one is clearly for the greater good given no information on the people tied to the track.
But if you're told the 1 person is a highly decorated medical prodigy who will soon find a breakthrough in treating cancer and the 10 people are just average joes then it could be argued saving the doctor would be for the greater good as in turn he will save much more than just 10 people.
The term is abused a lot but there are plenty of times throughout history that sacrifices, voluntary and otherwise, were made for the benefit of everyone. Probably one of the most sinister ones was letting Shiro Ishii go free in exchange for his medical findings, which basically jumpstarted modern medical science.
@@MintyLime703 that doesn’t really apply here. in the railroad or trolley question there will be harm no matter what choice you make. when it comes to a lot of unethical science they are not forced to harm people and could do their research in ethical ways.
@@amyglynn6827 yes, but that wasn’t the framework of this conversation. The above posters say there is never an instance that “the greater good” aka utility is acceptable, but that’s just patently not true.
@@ThunderStruck15 the original commenter was talking about “the greater good” when it comes to scientific experiments and such. and when it comes to scientific experiments and people defending them by saying “it’s for the greater good”. they weren’t making a broad philosophical claim.
This one would be like a 21 out of 10 for me. This was so horrific, racist, intentionally evil, and just... God. I hope all the people who knowingly participated in doing this to people suffer for eternity (not the victims, but the people in charge etc.)
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 of course you call them "blacks"
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Good god, where do I begin. Ugh. Nowhere. If you can’t already see what’s wrong with your drivel, nothing I say is going to enlighten you.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 i know polish people who don't want to take it either :/ and black people are rarely taken seriously for their health issues. it's more than this experiment that makes them untrusting
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Love how you’re not even hiding the fact you’re generalizing a whole race of people feel the same way about vaccines
It is worth noting that the experimenters specifically wanted African-American males because they were buttressing similar research that had already been done on white men with syphilis in Norway. At the time, it was thought that syphilis affected people differently depending on their race.
Wow! What a tragedy! I’m the daughter of an immigrant born on this land and have been learning about a new atrocity towards black and native Americans each day! Thank you for making this information more available and adding sources to study further!
@Over It no I have never heard of such a thing any recommendations on videos or sources?
It's not only natives and black people who suffered, plenty of other races (including white people) suffered greatly both socially and institutionally
@Caramel lmao
@Caramel Why does it have to be an oppression competition? It was all really shitty and should of never happened.
@@george.eliot42who gives af, we’re talking about a singular group. Like there all plenty of videos explaining y’all history and if your grown you slow asf for even commenting that.
There's something really, deeply stupid about the line 'They wouldn't want treatment anyway' when the only way they could get people to participate was by offering them medical care.
Not to mention hiding the diagnosis from the patients… if they truly believed they wouldn’t want treatment anyway, why would it have hurt their study to inform the patients, hmm?… the whole point was supposedly to study untreated syphillis… if you genuinely believe your patients won’t seek treatment then no harm in telling them. Clearly they knew that was a lie from the get
In my AP biology class in highschool we read about this in the Immortal life of Henrietta Lacks. It touched on it briefly when describing black Americans hesitancy to get medical help. It’s so horrific I can’t even begin to imagine what the victims went through. I think it’s a 10 on the scale.
I hate how horrible we can be to each other.
Not “we”.
It takes a very special kind of psychopath.
@@marialiyubman each and every human is capable of horrible things in the right circumstances while being made believe that they are doing the right thing. My country, germany, is a good example for this
@@fuckinantipope5511 Eh don't get to upset just another white woman who is so air headed to think everyone is a good person intel other wise lol.
@@fuckinantipope5511
Said the satanist
@@fuckinantipope5511okay but we’re talking about the systematic elimination of black people in America which has been going on since slavery
Imagine hanging that letter from the surgeon General on ur wall for many many years then finally finding out what it was truly about , geez...
When working as a psych nurse myself in the 80's, some of the really old patients were some that were cured of tertiary syphilis but too late and the damage to the nervous system and brain was too far gone for them to be anything but disabled and many of them ended up having psychosurgery to "calm" them down from their ravaged state thus were fairly zombified by the state by time the chemical strait jackets came into play. It really was a nasty nasty disease and in the system we used to call it the gift that kept giving simply as it was so hard to eradicate once it was set in and many British men were too afraid to go to the doctors lest they were accused of sleeping with prostitutes and little was understood about the transmission, in Victorian times it was believed a man who had the disease could cure himself if he slept with a virgin, thus leading to a rise in girls with renewable virginity thanks to a seamstresses stitch and the likelihood the girl was raddled with syphilis at the end of it was terrible for the poor thing.
As an American, I think it's extremely important that all Americans in particular know the details of this profoundly unethical study, as well as the other hilariously unethical biological/radiological experiments performed by US doctors. The west was responsible for plenty of crimes against humanity, just as the Communist East.
Especially given how recently these things happened. People act like we’re past so much but this is within many modern peoples’ lifetimes.
It will not be taught as ya'll can't even get CRT basics taught. And the US will continue to belive they are the bastion of freedom.
@@iciajay6891 A lot of us are learning about these things regardless of what we’re taught. Yes, too many are still ignorant but change is not impossible.
Tuskegee is going to seem therapeutic when the current medical sham comes to light...
@@Capt_Schwartz current medical sham?
It’s haunting that it continued into the early 70’s. Plenty of people still alive and impacted for that. It would explain a great deal of mistrust.
When I was in high school they made us watch films about venereal diseases and had graphic photos of chancres and other sores on various body parts. Great stuff to look at, especially at lunchtime.
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@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 ???????
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 dude what the hell you going on about
hey they did that to us too! Though the purpose was less about education and more about 'look what happens when you have sex'
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 when the schizophrenia hittin😭
What makes the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment so egregious is that it was started in response to the Oslo Study carried out by Boeck and documented by Bruusgaard, Dr. Clark a 20 year study where infected people were denied treatment for Syphilis. So, the question is why repeat an experiment that has already been done?
Part of the slow genocide of Black Americans
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Well, experiments have to be repeated by diferent teams to make sure the data is true. Not that this is an experiment that should have been done in the first place.
The original study was on white people, and the thinking at the time was that black people progress differently. So proving that idea wrong was supposedly one of the 'incentives'/ reasonings given for continuing the study and keeping Nurse Eunice onboard even as treatment became available.
This is so evil. To think, some Americans want us to go back to "the golden age of the 50s". This is *SO* sick.
When people say that they don't mean things like this, they mean a more traditional household and lower taxes... cmon now
honestly sometimes i think it’s purely because they’re uneducated as to what was happening then or they’re simply not a minority. when i think of the 50’s i think of oppression. not because that’s who i want to be but no matter what, i wouldn’t be able to marry who i want or be who i want and worse case scenario, i wouldn’t live long enough to even try to do so due to the many inhuman experiments like these
The country not being anti-white man was nice too.
@@sup_my_bwana if you don’t like this country then leave… Go be a communist
I do think some people just want to be openly racist without repercussions again.
There's a wonderful movie about this called Miss Evers' Boys. I had never heard about this until I saw the movie in the late 90s. It's horrifying to think of what these men and their families were put through.
Beyond rating for me and I am left saddened and emotionally drained. I am even unhappy liking the video despite being very pleased to have been made aware of the trial.
I would like to think that we are beyond performing medical experiments on the uninformed population just to see what happens but I am not sure if now is really the time to say that! There’s something very uncomfortable also about the punitive fine coming from the public purse whilst the perpetrators go scot free. Sometimes I despair of my species.
Have there been recent cases?
@@eadweard. these studies were done by what would now be our grandparents. It has not been that long ago.
Definitely not beyond it. Just more sneaky about it. ‘New cures’, ‘vaccinations’, etc. Keep your eyes open everyone.
From the state this was conducted in. Unsurprisingly, this was never mentioned in our State or US history books. The only mention of Tuskegee at all was the Tuskegee Airmen.
So thanks for making this video and telling us of the history this state/country apparently doesnt want anyone to know.
Yeah that's a 10. Lying to people and giving them diseases is a 10 of 10
Injecting them with mercury as placebo is a nice touch too. Who doesn't like his syphilis with a pinch of heavy metal poisoning?
They didn't give anyone the disease, they pretended to treat them so they could study the disease..
@@misnewz1344 ah thanks for clarifying it makes it even worse on the scale.
Humans thinking to do good by not caring about other human, are nightmare fuel.
Ya, and there are a lot of those people around today.
I'm a black guy from Syracuse, NY. I live in San Francisco, CA. I speak machinese, I am fluent in electricity. The Tuskegee Expirament is horrific bullshit. Thank you, John for sharing, liked, commented subscribed.
Machinese?
@@TheAntonio6579 I know more about your car than you do, because I speak Machinese
i know this really doesn’t have anything to do with the experiment but i’m from alabama and hearing him say “ma-con” county made me laugh because we all say “may-con.” i know it’s accents and dialects but it made me giggle.
Im from alabama as well but they never taught this in school. I knew there were shady things done in alabama in the past but when i learned of this i got sick to my stomach.
@@GearGuardianGaming i actually found a book in my library about it. the librarian was surprised i found it because nobody had read it in a long time. they really should teach this in schools.
@@sadietaylorsversion13 yeah they should but they wont. They want people to trust the government. I say give the people the truth and let them decide who to trust.
I live closer to Georgia and they also have a Macon (May-con) :P I was a bit confused on the pronunciation haha
Fellow southerner here (from georgia) and I was just about to make a similar comment correcting the pronunciation, lol. MAY-con.
Mak-KON makes me think of macaroons XD
Either way, what a terrible thing to have done to all those people. I really am just appalled at the myriad ways people will mistreat one another
I think Voltaire quotes says it all about the foundations and effects of racism “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
I hope you do a video on Henrietta Lack and some of the mass sterilizations that have gone on in the medical field.
Glad that you are covering this controversial story!
It's not controversial. It's morally and ethically detestable, and part of American history.
I'm an American, and I love stuff like this. Because in keeping myself, and then my three daughters educated about stuff like this, it will never happen again.
What's controversial is people being too thin-skinned to talk about history, and instead think burying it is the solution.
I'm a US Marine veteran, and navigating the complicated histories of, not only what happened during my service, but Marine Corps history in general, and how they've been used clandestinely to do things like overthrow leaders and engage in Coupes.
None of that means we should hide any of it.
@@mgtowdadTH-camSucksCoxks cool you seem pretty proud veteran considering all modern wars started from a false flag op in pursuit of corporate greed and self interest.
Great video, I’d love to see you cover more experiments on African Americans and Native Americans. We can’t teach this history enough!
I simply have no words. Beyond horrific a complete lack of professional integrity, a complete disregard for the oaths those doctors swore and a profound example of pure systemic racism.
This was a Government Experiment not a private endeavour by doctors. Don't worry you can trust Government now.... Please get in line for your shot.
I grew up 30 min away from Tuskegee and I’ve never heard of this. Interesting
I grew up 3000 miles from it and heard of it by the time I was 8. Someone(s) really didn’t want you to know about this lol.
Tuskegee was USA’s version of Mengele. We learned nothing but that was completely wrong.
Nope. Marion Sims was the USA's version of Mengele. He was the father of gynecology and vivisected live enslaved black women. He didn't use anesthesia because he believed blacks had a much higher threshold of pain than white people.
Mengele's research taught us most of our modern knowledge of hypothermia
It's mind-blowing the absolutely insane crap people can justify being done in the name of science.
Heartbreaking, infuriating and shameful!
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Thanks for covering, PD! I remember when Clinton apologized for Tuskegee, HBO made the movie, "The Tuskegee Airmen" to imply that THAT was "Tuskegee experiments" Americans were starting to hear about; where black people were occasionally insulted by bumbling white people, while they walked to their airplanes to die for a country that hated them, while beautiful glory music plays on the soundtrack.
The regime forgot to mention that part about underhandedly infecting them with contagious disease.
1. Whites got experimented on unwillignily and unknowingly resulting in the ruined lives of many and deaths. 2. Whites knew about it what do you expect them to do about it? Theyre sick of hearing it over and over for something nobody they ever knew in their lifetime of the people that were behind this personally. BLACKS ARENT SPECIAL 3. Whites get shit too about wars VIetnam Iraq and Afghanistan welcome to the club. STOP TRYING TO BE SO SPECIAL.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 So your response to government corruption and genocide, and the media that throws a rug over it for them, is to genocide yourselves even further? While the people who did it count their money? Let me know how that turns out for ya!
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 Bro, are you seriously mad people re talking about non-whites suffering? As Michael Jordan once said: "Stop it. Get some help."
@@CynnamonSpyder fr his comment really showed just how bothered he is over history and the cruelty done to human beings funny how he claims to be tired of hearing about issues such as this but decided to click on the video to only complain about it.
We hear things like this but still refuse to believe that HIV was injected into those people.
As a clinical trial specialist, this really creeps me out.
I'd love for you to look into what the aboriginals in Australia were put thru by the colonist to eradicate them. I once saw a telegraph message from a farmer asking for strychnine cause he had " an infestation of " native vermin" who was using his damn for water. Telegraph was from 1950s....not much has changed here.
it's highly illegal to withhold knowing something about a patient that means life or death... it's sickening this study happened
I am happy to report from Alabama, that we are indeed too busy bonking our relatives to do something like this again.
PS: If you see my sister, tell her that I am sorry. She can come home, we can be a real family again and forget this whole thing happened.
I'd honestly love to see you do the lost generation from Australia
This is one I would absolutely love a video on. It's a horrific piece of history and has so much to it. Great suggestion x
This made me furious and sick to my stomach. Just another example of why we can’t trust ANY governmental institution to tell the truth to the people who pay their damn salaries. They may act like they’ve changed, but actually they only got caught being unethical cockroaches. I’m sure there’s still a lot going on behind CDC, NIH closed doors.
Good video. However, there's one part that was only partially correct. While the study was started in the 1920's, there was no cure for syphilis until the 1940's. The project was initially designed to better understand the disease and not tell the participants they had it because they couldn't do anything for them anyways. It truly became terrible when a cure was found and they did not tell the participants. THAT'S why we study this today. That's what makes it evil.
Actually the effective treatment for syphilis (and other bacterial infections) was discovered way back in 1909 and the substance in question is a form of arsenic. All countries relied on it to treat infections during WW2 while Penicillin, although known, only played a minor role at best.
US National Archive has several documentaries from 20s and 30s specifically about treating syphilis and various efforts in order to reach people in rural areas including authentic videos.
fun fact- the chancres you get in the first stage don’t actually hurt! it’s essentially these little holes with puss and stuff, we recently studied STIs in human bio and it’s always astounding seeing photos knowing that it just doesn’t hurt
I’m glad you recovered from your std
@@dannycolwell8028 reading this back i am mortified at how much it looks like i’m speaking from experience XD
(although having an STI doesn’t make you a bad person)
>"They would not seek medical treatment"
>The study is hard to start, because most infected have already tried to get treatment
"The participants were given small dose of mercury to give the participants a feeling of being treated "
- Thanks... 🤨
Never have I watched something that actually made me so sick that I could barely watch it. These videos leave a rotten feeling in my stomach but are very important for the public to know the horrors of what the world's governments have done.
One of the first incidents I’ve known a lot about before the video, a truly awful thing. Thank you for a respectful and detailed video.
I only ever found out about the this from an older black man that served in the Air Force. He came to our pharmacy every couple of months and one day he opened up about serving in the military and keeping a supply of penicillin on him of which he took once weekly because he was concerned that the government would try the Tuskegee Experiment again.
Syphilis killed my grandpa and almost took my grandmas life too. He was left with bad scarring in his heart and subsequently died of a heart attack at 59. My grandma was in the hospital for a week or two in critical condition and thankfully made it through. Grandpa was a cheater and didn’t tell grandma about his STD diagnosis…
I’m from Australia, and I have of course heard of these experiments. But not the actual full extent and the time span. It made me sick to my stomach learning what was done to these men and their families. Like honestly, what the fuck is wrong with the human race that we would treat our fellow man this way?!
There is an exhibit covering this subject at the University of Tuskegee.
I live within a 45min drive of here and have visited a few times over the years to see the campus and the museum on campus
What gets me is that early on, you could have justified this. There was no real treatment for Syphilis at the time. These people were living on borrowed time and at best, their suffering could be used to help others.
But once a treatment was found, the people in this community were prevented from getting it.
Salvarsan was the first, somewhat effective treatment for syphilis, starting in 1909. I suspect this is the treatment the Julius Rosenwald Fund intended to use.
@@21stcenturyfossil7 even then that treatment only work when the disease was caught early.
Your “justification” is cruel and psychotic. Their suffering could be used to help others because they lived on “borrowed time”? Wtf?
@@couchman-sw6jy right! tf
@@C33b3310 idk how they got 39 likes on that. Some weirdos watching this video
...How high does this scale go again? Never mind, I'm giving it a 12.
Its a fair 9/10
I only clicked LIKE because this story is indeed sorrowful to watch but it should be watched , studied and remembered. Held as an example of evils we need to face and grow beyond .
I graduated from a rural high school in Michigan in 1986. A requirement to graduate was passing a yearlong American History class as a junior. (The survey of subjects covered was so limited it was criminal in retrospect.) My teacher covered the Civil War and WWII in detail and kind of skipped around in everything else. There was detail in Auschwitz and condemnation of the experiments conducted under Mengele. Cool - experiments bad, Mengele badder, Hitler worse. Then came the day when a classmate raised her hand and asked about the Tuskegee syphilis study. I have no idea how she knew about it (I didn't and I was a newsie-history buff..) and, to this day I remember the teacher's response of 'sometimes the medical knowledge outweighs the circumstances'. I'm embarrassed to share this story, but I'm sure this was not unique at the time. Do we need critical race education? Absolutely. The truth must fuel education. If not, than it is propaganda and akin to fostering genocide.
I'd like to think she'd be fired today. She wouldn't be. But i'd like to think that anyhow
Literally what sense did that teachers answer make? Grad of '86, that teacher is probably retired/dead by now.
At THAT time? I'm in Louisiana, have been for over 30 years, I dont have many friends because literally most people here would just straight up say "they just nigg*rs so it doesn't matter".... I hate this place with a passion and desperately want to move. But Im stuck here because capitalism..
@@Castlependragon Wait till you find out why the US didnt overthrow the japaneese emperor or pursue any war criminals. Its the same reason we are able to detect where a bullet came from based on a splatter. So yeah dark medical practices can lead to amazing discoveries.
@@ethancampbell8350 Southwest, between GR and Kalamazoo. The high school was built (and I am not kidding) next to a dairy farm's liquid manure pit. Football games were, ummmm, challenging at times. Rural as rural gets😉.
I'm sorry a small shot of Mercury was administered to the participants so they felt like they had been given treatment?!? Isn't that actively detrimental to their study? Like they clearly just wanted their test subjects to suffer...
Mercury was the standard treatment at onenpoint.
Its how they find us civil war battlefields and camps, from all the mercury in the soil.
It's like people clearly just wanted to jump to conclusions without making an attempt to understand history.
That last comment "this rates a 9 on my scale, but more importantly where does it rate on yours"
Suggestion: dark side of science: the irradiation of St. Louis
I’m glad more people know about this horrific experiment
It's shocking more people don't know about this, I am grateful for the transparency of the modern medical community.
... yes, transparency...
Still lacking on the transparency part still.
Transparency? You mean like keeping the results of the current waxines sealed until 2075?
@@garrysekelli6776
Hard to hide the whole population of the planet
this has to be satire lmao
Good thing governments would never do this in the modern age, or allow big pharma to treat the general populace as profitable experiments. 😀
Truth.
People horrified by the evil government study only ended 50 years ago...and yet want the government to take care of them 🙄
Sigh
It made me very sad too John. I just want to say "Thank you!" for researching this & presenting it so well. It can't have been easy.
It wasn't easy to watch & I can only imagine what it was like to live with, intensively, for a period.
It's worth getting this story out there!
As soon as you mentioned a mercury injection i thought "Hang on a minute!". That's an early treatment for syphilis!
And then there's that damned nurse! How did she sleep with herself at night?
But it's just the barefaced lies & evil subterfuge involved in this disgusting experiment that seems to have existed just to exist. No meaningful data came out of it!
And to think, they'd've done better to be drafted than to continue!
Nauseating!
"Guys, it was soooo long ago. Why would you be upset???"
The lack of empathy for the suffering of black people is a cornerstone of American heritage.
First slave owner in America was African himself. Lack of empathy y'all have for yourselves is a corner stone of American heritage
I had heard of this experiment in a book I read (IIRC, it was "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks") but had no real details on it. The complete and utter disregard for the lives of the men and their families is sickening. Also, I had presumed that it was something that happened a very long time ago - maybe when my parents were kids - but to learn that it continued on into my own lifetime is mind-boggling. At the risk of getting political, I can better understand (not agree with, mind you, but understand) why Alabama conservatives are fighting so hard to have CRT and Black history kept out of schools, the cowards.
Isn't the entire point of medical science to FIX illnesses. Sure it's valuable for diagnostic purposes to know what symptoms present when let untreated, but they already diagnosed them with syphilis...
I appreciate your timing of this subject.
What's significant about the timing?
@@eadweard. the fact that a lot dont want to take the corona virus shot and the skepticism behind it and the way the government is pushing it.
@@LordZoth6292 Ohh I see. Should have realised.
THANK YOU!!!
'PD'....you have done an SUPERIOR Job in outlying this Horrible part of US History, ( NOT going to get political )
The book, I have seen, once a few years back and wish, Now, that I have purchased it....I Will look for it again.
'PD', I'm sure it was a Very tough subject to research and condense to your video, and researching the disease was well researched ...... I'm sure this video was ............ "Plainly Difficult"!!
Thank you!
I’m visiting Alabama and actually passed by Tuskegee today. This video was recommended to me by TH-cam.
They’re tracking me.
man, everytime I start feeling a little better about mankind in general, I find something like this............ I knew about it, but not to this depth.... 10
My Irish grandparents were subjected to nuclear test experiments and both died of cancer. Their child, my father, also died of cancer.
Love the videos PD , just FYI Macon county is pronounced May-con. What's really sad is I grew up and still live less than 75 miles from Tuskegee and never heard of these experiments or studies. It's a horrible mark against the United States of America and the great state of Alabama that I call home.
I'm from Nashville so I've heard more than a few things about this my mom was a nurse all of her career having been before the year 2000. It's just disgusting.
FYI, I think "Macon" is pronounced like "MAY-kun". Rhymes with bacon.
Chancre is "kayn-ker"
Hmmmm bacon😋 ……sorry 👀
Can confirm, from Macon.