Australian MG4 Phantom Braking (trying to imitate a Tesla?) AEB emergency braking fail!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ต.ค. 2023
- Phantom braking dashcam footage and analysis.
MG - look into this, fix it, and enable Over The Air updates and saving settings to avoid causing accidents! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
This is why it’s so important to have your own camera system fitted. In case this happens and someone rear ends you then you have proof that the car was at fault. The safety systems are very good but they will have some faults and if you have camera fitted then it could save you a lot of hassle.
Yes true, that's the reason why I put in the front+rear dashcam ASAP - all my cars have them. I'm also going to put one in my Tesla even though it has its own set of cameras - just in case the factory cameras don't catch something, or fails to record properly.
I like the might car mods posters
One pedal driving on, LKA off, AEB off. This is my ritual every time I get in my MG4. Apart from this I absolutely love the car.
Great car agreed. Would be greater if we didn't have to rub our bellies, hop on one foot and push 10 buttons to get our driving preferences entered every time!
What’s LKA and AEB?
Lane Keep Assist and Automatic Emergency Braking.@@farfaraway4285
These systems get confused in certain scenarios. I own a 2020 Qashqai (UK) and a similar experience to yours occured. I now turn off the emergency braking, before driving off everytime. Luckily in my Qashqai it's easily done using buttons on the steering wheel and the menu display on the dashboard.
Would be great if it could be permanently turned off though.
I like the MG4, however newer cars should have the option to save settings. This is well documented here in the UK, MG needs to resolve this issue before someone is killed.
It appears to me that the MG4 collision system may have been 'dazed' by the darker side street when turning right, as it's front cameras facing direct sun, as your wife drove into the dark street it slammed the brakes on when it saw the blue Fiesta indicating to turn right, plus narrow road. It may be one of those scenarios you have to keep an eye on in future, as it may occur again. All those automated safety prevention systems are suppose to work for a certain number of scenarios, and fail for a certain number of scenarios, and are programmed to be more 'safe' for those instances (well, if I was a programmer working with a limited technology system at a certain budget I would err on the side of being 'safe' than not) However in this case yes for sure it could cause an accident by certain tailgaters who are following behind not paying attention/lack reflexes/unroadworthy car etc. I'm looking into an MG4 myself so your videos and experiences are invaluable, please keep it up.
The MG4 actually has more features than I thought - for example the camera based traffic recognition that shows up on the driver's screen is actually pretty good. Hoping software updates will come to improve their driver aids
i will not stoo saying that all cars need light radars, cameras are limited and dynamic range could affect like in this case.
If this safety feature is more then random, they show fix it, as according the Aus Consumer Law your car is "Defective" and "Dangerous" which definitely fall within each and thus they (MG) must repair at their cost. Also if more people suffer from this it may be a major recall to fix as well.
Agreed. At the moment it's only happened once in our car, will certainly be recording/reporting should it happen again. I can handle an overly fussy lane keep assist, but not a car that decides to brake to an emergency stop for no reason at all.
I have recently bought the same car. I had a simular experience today when I was turning right at a traffic light and cars on the opposite side of the intersection were also turning right. Emergency breaking kicked in and stopped me in the middle of the intersection, I assume it thought we were going to crash, mind you we wernt that close, a standard sort of intersection. Do you think getting a carly OBDI reader might be able to save some of the functions like AEB to moderate and one-pedal driving settings?
Seems unlikely, but if you're able to give it a go and it works, let me know!
Maybe its programmed like that because of that one EuroNCAP AEB test, not the best system at predicting what the driver's intention tho :/
Here in Australia, every new car sold after March 2023 has to have auto emergency braking. So I expect to see a lot more rear-end collisions into all cars sold after that date! 😢
Did you have cruise control on or foot on accelerator pedal? 2000kms in and I haven’t experience it yet.
Nope no cruise control. And foot on the accelerator? Unsure how else you're going to be driving a car without doing that lol!
@@bozugarage no regen and coasting? Anyway seems a bit weird the auto brake would override your accelerator. I don’t use the cruise control in this car because it’s shit. It keeps on braking even on a straight road. In my m3 I’ve only had experienced phantom braking when on cruise control and figured it might be a similar scenario.
I've had the same issue on my MG4 a few times too. It's not just an EV issue. My 2017 VW Golf used to do it and so did my 2020 Range Rover. It's because of stupid and unnecessary safety legislation. In the MG, as you say, the way it resets every time is a pain in the @rse. Some people claim this is a requirement of getting five star safety ratings in Europe. I agree MG should have ota updates too
No OTA updates yet for the MG4 :( Yes new safety regulations affect all cars not EVs - but if we could get OTA updates, it'd be able to constantly improve the MG4 each time. For example my Tesla updates quite frequently and the cumulative updates are very impressive.
Here in the UK this happened to us twice once we was on the motorway at about 65mph, crazy dangerous we.got rid of it straight away !!!!
Almost 2000km on my essence 77 and no issues at all as yet. LKA works fine and has helped more than once alerted me an a gentle nudge to not cross a lane marker. I have actually today in fact had the opposite experience where the collision detection kicked in as i tried to move very close to the car in front at a set of lights . Car in front was stopped, i tried to move as close as possible to let a car behind me get around me into a right turn lane. I got a little to closebto the rear of the car in front and collision detect kicked in, alert sounded and car hit the brakes to avoid nudging the car in front. The MG4 makes quite a sound when emergency brake kicks in and i actually thoughtni hD hitnthe car in front but it was just the emergency stop kicking in. So saved me in this event..
I'm all for safety systems (in addition to being an alert driver, undistracted by phones, makeover, eating breakfast while driving etc). However I'm very keen to avoid false positives from the systems, which could lead to accidents in themselves. MG need to be constantly updating their detection algorithms and updating their cars as they do so, hence my call for over the air updates - especially if other manufacturers are doing it, then the MG EVs will not be considered up to date.
It's not the only brand that does it. I drive a work car Mitsubishi Outlander and driving through road works with safety barriers on either side and the car decides to slam on the brakes. Admittedly it's only happened two or three times in nearly three years but it does give you a hell of a fright...
it's the unexpected activation when there's no actual imminent danger that gives you a fright! But the car should have ongoing updates to improve its performance - like your phone or computer.
@@bozugarage Yes exactly! The thing I wanted to point out is that people seem to think that this is an EV only thing which isn't correct. It happens on both ICE cars and EV's s well. Cheers.
I'm curious - was she driving with one pedal driving at the time when this happened? There are lots of reports of phantom braking on the MG EVs forum too. Some forum posters say you can accelerate and override the AEB event, others seem to suggest it will bring you to a complete stop and you have to wait for a few seconds before you can take off again.
As you say it's disappointing the MG Pilot settings are not saved across restarts of the vehicle.
No One Pedal Driving, just usual driving :). She reported that she couldn't drive immediately and had to wait a couple of seconds before moving on. Let's see if MG are able to come to their senses to enable saving of settings - I mean, you could save your AM and FM stations in cars 20 years ago, right?
Yes when it did it to me I couldn't drive off immediately and had to wait a couple of seconds before the car was responsive again.
To keep ncap ratings they force the "safety features" on every time the car is turned on.. So stupid.. Given how fast MG is with the updates I'm hoping someone finds a way to side load firmware to solve this matter
In a $200 android clone, sideloading would be fine. When spending $40,000+ on an EV, you'd think OTA updates should be mandatory to improve safety features like phantom - sorry, I mean emergency braking. This is the #1 item MG should improve on the MG4.
@@bozugarage it's harder if the CCP needs to vet it first haha.. Anyway I'm pretty happy with my MG4. Got 1 SCARY emergency braking. Basically I was overtaking a bus that had stopped and it either saw the bus or oncoming traffic as a danger (neither were)) and applied the brakes which felt like someone rear ended us... The car was 2 days old at that stage crazy
i experienced this before in my 2019 KIA Carnival Platinum. It did an emergency stop when i was on a dedicated right turning lane at a traffic light junction. My car did the emergency stop immediately after the traffic light, I was the only car doing right turn. Luckily no car was rushing up from behind me. By the time i managed to calm myself down, the light has turned red so i had to reverse the car back behind the line.
Damn I have a model 3 and was considering the MG as a second car too.
I have actually had occasional phantom braking on the highway with the model 3, but never around town thankfully. The emergency lane departure warning is very annoying though - often tries to give me a heart attack when I move over for a cyclist or where there are weird lane markings.
Wish the regulatory agencies wouldn't mandate beta software "safety" features - they make me feel less safe than in my old Subaru Liberty.
We're being "protected" to our detriment in this country.
Towing mode ON and it stays ON until you turn it OFF
Disables all the automatic crap and all the beeping
Disadvantages:
1. Reversing sensors also disabled
2. No Cruise Control
But you don't need to go through the Pre Flight routine every time you get into the car
Ive had my MG4 for exactly one month. 2 phantom breaking episodes and the LKA annoyed me all the time. So i've now PERMANENTLY disabled both and like the car now. Still a pity about the one pedal drive memory though.
How have you been able to permanently disable emergency braking & LKA? "Asking for a friend"
@bozugarage tell your friend to remove the plastic trim that covers the forward facing camera that is located behind the rear view mirror. (Just clips on) Then simply unplug the camera and replace trim. 👌 this can then be plugged back in when he/she takes it for a service or decides to sell. Each time you start the car afterwards there's three little warnings saying LKA, Forward collision assist and Drowsiness detection are unavailable.
This sucks... Reverting to standard settings is a Euro NCAP requirement
I've only had this happened to me once when overtaking a parked car whilst another vehicle was coming towards me. I hadn't put my indicator on so this would be a normal response from the car.
Mmm... the problem is there's an almost limitless number of driving situations the car has to deal with, and every so often it'll get it wrong - just like humans, computers aren't perfect either. The issue is trying to get the number of "false positives" to zero, or as close to zero as possible, while still being effective and activating when really necessary.
its amazing the ai emergency braking, but i can not bealive they dont use more sensors or Light radars to be sure there is an object about to collide with the car.
You have to blame all manufacturers for wanting to show 5 star safety ratings and having every conservable safety system all manufacturers with vehicles fitted with Emergency braking have this issue. Some are more sensitive then others. And Due to Ncap 5 these systems have to reset to ON every time the car is turned off and on again. You then select whether you want to turn them off BUT if they are off and your insurance company finds out this after a accident they may not accept liability to pay.
And yet Tesla, Nissan, and Haval and probably others that I have not owned all remember the settings after you turn off the cars.
Yes, and also no - the MG5 doesn't get a 5 star rating
I must say never had that issue in mine 3 months now. It did once and that was because I was accelerating to a parked car. so it did do its job.
I never had that problem too, mine 32 years now.
What has the dealer said about it?
Hasn't said anything, since I haven't contacted them about it. But if it happens again....
je pense que le clignotant a induit la voiture en erreur il lui a fait croire que la voiture voulais continuer a tourner a droite en direction de la voiture bleu
Why does phantom breaking affect so many electric cars but not ICE cars!
Unsure.... But I get the feeling that phantom braking in EVs gets a lot more publicity than phantom braking in ICE cars. Just like when one EV "catches fire" it's on every tiktok and meme, but when 1000 ICE cars catch fire, it's not reported
Mine did exactly the same a few weeks ago. Driving up a hill i went to pass a cyclist and had loads of room. No way on earth was i going to be anywhere near him and my car decided to do an emergency stop. Thank christ the car behind was alert and didn't even admonish me. If he had ran into the back of me I am not aure I could really have blamed him. From then on the first thing I have done qhen getting in the car is switxh off AEB and lane assistance.
Have you got a dash cam to record when the car does it? If not, might be worth putting a dashcam in.
@@bozugarage I have got a dashcam but unfortunately I lost the footage as I thought I had backed it up to my PC but hadn't. If it happens again I will definitely post it up but I now set to "Alert only" because it was honestly quite scary. So if it happens again it will.probably just be an alert rather than actual emergency braking.
Has it ever happened on your Tesla?
ah, hasn't ever happened to me personally in my model 3. I feel tesla has a lot more experience, user feedback, and constant software updates to address this problem, whereas the lack of over-the-air updates in the MG4 means it'll be more of a problem in this car.
My Nissan Leaf will do the same from time to time if the system will spot a car too close to me.
I guess any car with emergency braking will occasionally have false positives. The thing is, it should be possible to fine tune the software to reduce these incidents, Teslas certainly have a policy of continual improvements and updates to improve the driving experience. Whether the other manufacturers can do similar is yet to be seen
EV6 doesn't remember the iPedal either. Shits me to tears. Have to press the button every time. EV6 also has no OTA. Not even a SIM or an app for the thing. WTF Kia!
Wow didn't know about that - haven't been in an EV6 but apparently it's quite good. Might have to take one for a test drive and see how it compares - relatively pricey too, about Model Y money?
It's to get 5 star ANCAP rating, it has to be enabled every time the car starts. A but stupid if you ask me.
Hey I’ve experienced the same. I posted a video on Aussie mg group. Hope it doesn’t happen again as it also freaked my wife out. We had nothing ahead of us but some bins and a parked car on the verge on a straight road. I really, really hope MG does OTA, but if UK’s had the car over a year and there’s still no OTA, I think there’s little hope.
Will look for that video. Should there be sufficient numbers of other cars suffering the same issue, I'll compile all the videos into one and see whether that will stimulate any response.
Have also experienced this problem twice when the right turn arrow is green for both ways the car thinks that you are about to have a head on and stops fortunately both times no-one behind me or I would have been hit. Love the car but this problem and the lane assist which can mistake bumps and crack sealant for lines is a big problem. Thanks for the video Danny
That one pedal driving on an MG4 is a joke! The software is so bad that if you change from say eco to normal then the stupid system cuts off one pedal driving!
Works fine on my MG4.
@peterr6739 Yeah, right the MG group I used to be in had the same problem. I also, every time you start the car, the one pedal driving only works in forward driving.