Even though Dalton only did 2 Bond films, he left an indelible impression on the franchise in his own unique way. Pierce Brosnan's debut was highly anticipated at the time, but once Timothy Dalton stepped into the role, I wanted to see him do more movies as 007. He looked good in the famous tuxedo and he was very convincing as an action hero with a rough edge.
I’ve always thought this too. Dalton was my bond (despite being born in the 90’s) as I watched all of my James Bond’s on TV or mostly via VHS that I purchased from various discount shops with my pocket money I saved up. The Living Daylights was my first one. Personally, I think Roger Moore should still have done Octopussy. The film fit his style and still brought him back down to earth,leaving his bond on a cliffhanger of “did he retire and run away with Octopussy?” The rest fit perfectly into Dalton’s Bond. For Your Eyes only would be a great opener for him (because that mission is for his eyes only and not Roger’s) and View to a Kill fits his more athletic, real world Bond too (and would give background to his riding ability showin in TLD, although Dalton riding Horses extensively in two films might be a little repetitive).
If Timothy Dalton did more than two films, he should have done A View to a kill, The Living Daylights and License to kill. It would have been interesting to see Dalton's Bond Vs Max Zorin. I don't have a favourite Bond l, I think they are all great but if someone said you have to say one actor I would say Roger Moore. Roger Moore was good in a view to a kill but I think it would have been interesting to see Dalton's Bond against Zorin and how the film would have played out with Dalton as Bond in the film, I think it would have been darker.
This is the biggest shame in Bond history for me. To this day, he's still my favorite Bond and it's saying something considering he only did 2. I think the best possible time for him to start would have been for Octopussy and a View to a Kill. Octopussy is fantastic but I'd like to think the cartoony elements such as the Tarzan call, telling a tiger to sit, the dead body corpse part along with the clown disguise wouldn't have happened. A View to a Kill could have been dynamite with Dalton with perhaps a better actress for Stacey and/or better dialogue. fYEO is the perfect end to Moore's Bond for me. Hes clearly aging and he's aware that he's older so it could have worked as his "final mission". Great video as always.
Dalton was a great bond who should’ve started his tenure earlier. I think both his films are solid, Licence To Kill is his best and for me in my Top 5. I think had he started with A View To A Kill it would’ve been a perfect introduction to him. Naturally they would’ve had to have revised the script and remove the silly humour and change the tone but Dalton V.S Walken would’ve been a far better match. The fight on the Golden Gate Bridge was a great location but Moore looked like he was about to pull a hernia and it was hardly a fight, he basically trips Walken. Can you imagine how much better that fight would’ve been if Dalton and Walken done it? I can picture Bond taking the axe off Zorin and Zorin resorts to an Uzi being passed to him by the nutty doctor and before he can pull the trigger, bond knocks it out of his hand with the axe and punches him off the bridge. Would’ve been so much more epic.
I agree, had Timothy Dalton been cast as James Bond sooner it would have been fantastic. It really would have taken the series back to where it started. The 1980's would have been Dalton's time to shine, with the right changes to the screenplays of the first three movies. I also like to imagine that in this possible scenario the problems that affected Licence To Kill's production(the 1988 writers guild strike, United Artists/MGM's internal issues with people/budget, poor marketing campaign and a release in a crowded summer full of squeals to other popular movies) would be largely avoided thanks to clearer heads and Dalton having proved himself already to the studio suits.
I’ll say it again and again till I’m blue in the face - Timothy Dalton is the most underrated James Bond ever, and the second best Bond behind Connery. It’s a shame circumstances beyond his control prevented him from completing his trilogy in the early 90’s, because had he started as early as 81/83, I believe he would have taken the franchise in a darker and more Cold War-oriented direction after the light-hearted and fun-loving antics of the Moore era. To me, Octopussy is a Moore film. It’s ending is tailor made for him, and I can’t see Dalton doing the silly stuff like swinging on a vine like Tarzan, telling a tiger to sit, or dressing up as a clown. End it in 1981 with the Battle of the Bonds. For Your Eyes Only though? Definitely a Dalton film. It’s stripped back and realistic approach would have been perfect for him. For starters, the Bibi Dahl silliness, as well as the parrot talking to Thatcher, would have to go. Every time i cast a Dalton version of FYEO, I’d release it in 1983, have Blondie perform the theme instead of Sheena Easton and cast Rutger Hauer as Kristatos, which would mean a solid debut for Dalton. View to a Kill? Rewrite it, keep Max Zorin and May Day, keep Duran Duran’s banger of a theme, and cast Farrah Fawcett (Charlie’s Angels reunion) as Stacey = a better outing. Keep TLD and LTK the way they are. They’re easily both top 5 Bond films. And finally, Dalton would sign off with Whisper from Hell (AKA Property of a Lady) in 1991 with Elizabeth Hurley as the main Bond girl, John Lone as the main villain, and Anthony Hopkins as Denholm Crisp. We then get a three year break, and then in comes Brosnan with GoldenEye. If only......
Would have liked to have seen a late 90's Bond with Dalton. He aged well & would have had even more gravitas in his early 50's & after a few more Bond movies.
Seems Billington, Brolin & Warbeck were possible Bond replacements late 70's - early 80's. Moore's 3 picture deal ended in 1977. By 1986 they were all a bit too old & their time had gone. Moore said he was quitting in 1979 after finding out Brolin had been tested. Then signed up for FYEO a few weeks later.
I personally would have loved to have seen Timothy Dalton in more Bond films. The thought of him in a confrontation with Christopher Walken just gives me chills. I would have liked his "tenure" as Bond to have gone from For Your Eyes Only until Goldeneye (which unfortunately was caught in some legal battle, otherwise it would have been made with Dalton). That said, Timothy Dalton is known to have a varied acting career and he is easily the best actor ever to play Bond. He is more interested in challenging himself as an actor rather than being a celebrity. The other Bond actors, with due respect, will be remembered mainly as Bond but Mr. Dalton will not only be remembered as Bond but as Rochester in Jane Eyre, Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, Sir Malcolm in Penny Dreadful, Skinner in Hot Fuzz (very funny) and Mr. Pricklepants in Toy Story among others. What a long, and illustrious career.
Dalton should have been the 80s Bond. Sean was great for the 60s and Roger was perfect for the 70s. Beginning in the 80s, action films began to be a bit more violent and edgy. John Glen worked that into the films and toughened Moore. I love FYEO as it is and Octopussy is great. Still, I would have loved to see Dalton in them. He definitely needed to be in AVTAK.
I think Roger Moore was great in both FYEO and OP as an older Bond, so I will not remove him from this couple. But having Dalton started in AVTAK would have been a great and fresh start for him. He would had a realistic debut and brutal movie, with sadistic and charismatic villain. Even with this outcome the fate of both LD and LTK would have been different. And I honestly think, with 3 movies it still would have been more softer bridge for public to Dalton's brutalliest performance in LTK.
i have to say, it did seems very much even back then that they wanted a new actor after doing a few movies in order to keep the franchise fresh and not just rely on one actor .
Agree with you on this FYEO would have been a great start for his Bond. As for the aftermath of LTK, the legal action situation with the tv rights could still either happen or not happen. If it didn’t we might have gotten Brosnan earlier
You should do a video on a what if. What if Timothy Dalton did Goldeneye (1995) to Die Another Day (2002) after Dalton did The Living Daylights (1987) and License to Kill (1989). What if Timothy Dalton started On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), Diamonds Are Forever (1971) or Live and Let Die (1973).
Warbeck's Wiki page says he was considered for LALD. Possible, but he had only starred in one film before then, in 1969. Warbeck became an action man around 1980. Starring in a handful of unknown action films.
It's a bit of an internet myth that Goldeneye was 'Written for Dalton' as if the script was untouched from day one [which rarely happens on any film as the script is constantly evolving even during filming]. Dalton did see the first draft of the script by Micheal France which didn't have Trevelyan nor the Goldeneye EMP device so was presumably very different to the finished film. After France added these elements [though Trevelyan didn't resemble his film counterpart], the script was re-written by Jeffery Caine, Kevin Wade [uncredited though Jack Wade was named after him] and Bruce Feirstein to the extent that France only got a story credit. By this point the script was considerably different and written to match Brosnan's strengths which is why he was able to hit the ground running.
I always assumed the basic structure was the same, with some of the more lighthearted moments added later. The plotting of Goldeneye feels more plausible than Brosnan's later films, which is probably how the "it was written for Dalton" stories developed. If Trevelyan or even the Goldeneye device itself wasn't in the original script, then it doesn't sound like the finished product at all mirrors what was originally written with Dalton in mind.
I have read the script. The Bond in that first draft of GoldenEye was closer to Dalton in The Living Daylights. That movie was definitely written for him in mind. Trevelyan was an older man and the GoldenEye device was called the Tempest.
I've been a Bond fan since the age of 4. A View to a Kill, and For your eyes only are my ultimate favorite Bond films. I actually preferred Roger's 80's films vs his 70's ones. I think the best timeline change would have been Dalton from 87-97. I enjoyed Goldeneye and Tomorrow never dies but think they may have been better with Dalton.
00-Henry! You never disappoint me!!! I always dream about the Dalton Bond/80s Bond era so much, well done on this vid God, youve made yourself proud! The Bondverse film franchise have so many wasted opportunities, my opinion. UPDATE: I've always known that Timothy Dalton would've become James Bond had either Roger Moore did his era like in our timeline (although after Sean Connery did On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Diamonds Are Forever) or had George Lazenby finished his 10 year tenure as Bond (starting out in On Her Majesty's Secret Service and dominating the 70s before ending it all in Moonraker). For Your Eyes Only would've been an awesome film with Dalton in my opinion. Although Julian Glover would've played his role the same but more layered like Le Chiffre and Dr No. Robert Brown and Caroline Bliss would've started out in FYEO after the departures of Bernard Lee and Lois Maxwell as M and Moneypenny, to fit with revamp of the Bondverse film franchise from the moment the 1980s kicked in. I'm with ya on Dalton in Octopussy, he and Maud Adams would've been great, the safari hunt with Dalton's Bond vs the goons would've got audiences like "WTF is he?! 00-Rambo?!" A View to a Kill, the Goldfinger/Spy Who Loved Me/Skyfall chapter of the Dalton era. This film would've been a much more successful film critically and financially had Dalton appeared in it. He and Tanya Roberts would've been a believable pair, the fight with Timothy Dalton and Christopher Walken as 007 and Max Zorin would've been amazing, Dalton would show more of his stuntmanship in this film such as the firetruck chase scene. The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill would still be the exact same films in our timeline. I'm wit ya on the fact that Licence would've been much successful had Dalton dominated the 80s earlier. David Hedison would be Felix Leiter in his appearances in FYEO, Living Daylights (instead of John Terry) and Licence to Kill had he started out earlier in Diamonds are Forever (alt. Connery or Lazenby), Live and Let Die and Moonraker.
Hey bond geek, nick here from commenting on your on her majesty's secret service, and Personally this is my opinion. If Roger Moore left the role after octopussy cause I think that should have been the case, and if Timothy took over the role in a veiw to a kill.
How did I miss this video?!! Well better late than never. The only reservation I have about Dalton (and I really enjoyed his two films and thought he was a fine Bond) is that he had the opposite issue to Roger Moore. Moore was uncomfortable with the more cold-blooded aspects of the character, while Dalton was uncomfortable with the humourous / movie star aspects.
the jungle run with Tim would feel alot more like First Blood in the that one man is trying to survive in the jungle while being pursued by men with guns.
I've always argued Skyfall's ending is like First Blood with the hero using the environment and traps against a larger amount of heavily armed enemies [instead of the tedious 'home alone' comparisons as if traps were never done before 1990].
@@jamesatkinsonja good point on it being less home alone i can agree with you on. I think its there in the movie more that rather than having a huuuuge epic villians liar ending, we have something a little more softer on the action more. By the way i think Ive seen you before on other Bond related videos haven't I ? :)
Timothy Dalton would have been an improvement, but the direction of John Glen would still be an issue. he's a workman-like director. Only rarely do the action scenes and editing pass what could be considered "okay." Glen did good work in FYEO, TLD, and in patches of LTK. The hunt in Octopussy would need more than a different actor. A View to a Kill was sloppy in many respects: editing, continuity, script, etc.
Too bad Dalton only got 2 movies... However, both were very good movies! For example, Moore's first 2 films were much weaker... *** But Moore will probably keep his record forever: 7 movies! And I'm a big fan of his 5 movies: 1977, 1979, 1981, 1983, 1985.
Billington, Warbeck & Brolin were born within 16 months of each other. Suspect they all left the Bond radar after Moore signed up for Octopussy. Brolin nearly got the part in 83 but would have been mid 40's by AVTAK. Besides which Moore signed up for it.
And if license to kill would have done good at the box office and there was no legal issues he could have done two more Bond films between licensed to kill and GoldenEye one in 1991 and another one in 1993 that would have been two more Dalton Bond films we never got too bad 🎲
A great What if... i've often thought this myself and had a little day dream of what i could have been like. Even the opening in the grave yard would have linked it back to OHMSS which ive often thought a Dalton lead FYEO would have picked up from.
Yeah, I also wish Dakton had done all 5 80's Bond films. With Moore doing DAF and Connery doing OHMSS. With the Blofeld trilogy in the correct order, YOLT following OHMSS, not preceeding it.
Indeed, but I do find that for TLD and LTK that they wudve a few more changes, less with LTK but more with TLD, that one wud have probably less jokes and puns, more darker scenes, the pet shop boys song to make the film darker, the 2 main villains wud be probably recasted for a Dalton movie, there wud be no lady in the yaut in the pre title sequence, and just overall it wudnt feel like a Roger Moore hangover. LTK wud probably have less one jokes and they'd probably bring back Quarrel Jr, the song wud probably be darker once again, Della might not be as comedic, the ending wudnt be so funny but still maybe happy, the deleted scene where bond's watching TV wud probably be in the final cut, Felix might be recasted for sum1 to Daltons age, Felix might have lost an arm too to make things more gory, and the film probably wudve like the Bond Geek said, a big finally ending
In my opinion, I would have loved to see more films come from him it would’ve been a pleasure but you know with the 80s how they were as a literally asking for too much but I would love to seen him in at least four more films but at least we have two that we can look back out. It’s just really bad that us as a Timothy Dalton fans that just love him playing James Bond. We waited five years for absolutely nothing and it’s just sad. I would’ve loved to seen him in view to a kill it would’ve been awesome but as I say it is what it is and we can just be thankful that we got to movies wonderful movie side of him before he left and on top of that coming from a woman’s perspective, he is the most handsome respond to date
Billington, Warbeck & Brolin were the contenders during the Moore era. If Moore had retired sooner. But were too old by the time Moore stepped down. Brosnan became a candidate around 1984 after Remington Steel had been going a couple of years. After AVTAK at least a dozen actors were apparently going to be the next Bond. Brosnan always the favourite. Dalton came from nowhere at the last minute after CBS blocked Brosnan.
Timothy Dalton was way too young in 1969 to play bond. James Bond is supposed to be in his 30s to 40s and he was in his 20s in 1969 specifically 23 to be exact
Don't believe FYEO & O would have been much different with Dalton in. However around this time James Brolin was the man who would have taken over from Moore.
It's quite common for people to say nowadays to say 'View to a Kill would be better with Dalton against Christopher Walken' but I can't see that script fitting him at all. A young Brosnan might have suited it better.
Yeah FYEO was tailor made for Dalton apparently, however he turned it down before seeing a script, Cubby could have had a long talk to him about the project telling him that they are not going with the comical elements that were in Moore’s film, Octopussy could have worked with him, AVTAK, a tricky one, unless there are some major adjustments to the story, but I also feel that AVTAK could have worked with Pierce Brosnan, but he was busy with NBC and Remington Steele. Had Dalton never gotten the role, Lewis Collins could have nailed it, but Cubby didn’t like him.
@@seanwhelanwhelan2648 Roger said in his book as far as he was concerned he was always going to do FYEO and John Glenn was insistent Moore stay [so he didn't have to introduce a new Bond in his directorial debut] so it certainly wasn't 'tailor made for Dalton' and any auditions seemed to be part of Moore's salary demands, especially as with NSNA on the horizon keeping the established Moore made sense.
i dont recall dalton was asked again back in -72, but he wast top 3 in -68, and back in -86 he was again top 3 after brosnan couldnt do bond. like dalton moore was in the bond talk back in -61, -68 as well, i like dalton but i wish he didnt do bond before it vould so wrong in many ways, first he did i still a great bond story......i have an great ide for next video for u, if u hade the chance to bring back 7 bond novels into film witch one vould u pick and why, also in witch order.....
Interesting, but i think Dalton would fit just in for your eyes only. James Brolin would be better for octopussy and a view to a kill. Licence to kill is one of the best movies from the franchise, in my opinion.
⬆🖒 Broadly concur. On balance, those three would have been relatively better than they actually are, particularly FYEO. With Dalton as the new lead, a major _casting_ revision would have taken place. For starters, Lois Maxwell assuredly would have been replaced (regardless of her intentions) with one like Caroline Bliss or Michaela Clavell. As well, neither Lynn Holly Johnson nor Patrick Macnee would have appeared in their respective parts, in all likelihood. Though I personally really would have preferred to have Tim star in all five John Glen-helmed 007/Bond films of the decade, my informed surmise is that he would have been in three films - or at most four - for he seemed not to be so emotionally attached to the role that Pierce apparently had been (Tim already had declined the role for 1969, whereas Pierce was at best chagrined at the fact that he would not be starring in more than four entries).
To be fair when people say 'so and so declined Bond' I think it's more a question of the actor being asked 'Do you want to be considered for it?' or they weren't formally in the running [for example Martin Campbell said only two actors were seriously considered for Bond in Casino Royale, Daniel Craig and Henry Cavill despite reports Hugh Jackman among others turned it down]. I think Dalton was probably asked 'do you want to audition'? but said no as he felt he was too young.
If only Timothy Dalton was bond from FYEO if Dalton had done 5 bonds he would have gone down as the best 007 ever, great video, but I do disagree with you on LTK it is definitely one of the best bond movies and most of that is because of Dalton, he did everything that Craig has done ,only Dalton did it so much better.
hahahah yes Ive noticed that. although his hair in living daylights is cool though :) dont suppose youve seen this one have you ?? th-cam.com/video/OekcUJm-W3g/w-d-xo.html
@@LexingtonDeville984 Don't believe Pierce would have got AVTAK in 1984. He was barely known & even younger. May have also been tied into his Remington Steel contract. Pierce became a big contender around 1985/6. What was Tim doing in 1984?
Think Dalton would have liked FYEO & O. Both films had their serious moments. However Moore was also good in both. Dalton would have improved AVTAK. However he couldn't have saved it. A lot of changes would be needed.
Dalton was NOT asked to play Bond in OHMSS, this is a lazy weakly researched Timor. Dalton was asked to audition, he refused as he felt it would be career suicide, so no audition took place and no offer was given to play the role.
Dalton could have made 9 Bonds, 87 - 2003. If they had continued with the 'every 2 years' cycle. He would have still have been younger than a AVTAK Moore if making a ninth. Dalton also aged well so may have still looked good. However suspect he would have made 4-6 if there was no 6 year gap.
No Bond would have been made between 90-95 who ever was Bond was Eon were involved in legal wranglings. Dalton eventually turned down a third Bond as he only wanted to do one more film after the break.
I’d love a follow up that explores Option 2. If Timothy Dalton had done FYEO, Octopussy and ended on VTAK, what would TLD and LTK (and future bonds) looked like? Goldfinger would possibly have been even bigger given audiences would have been waiting for years to see it. Or maybe it would have meant a different Bond in between Dalton and Brosnan?
WRONG Dalton was though James Bond movies actor OHMSS and The living Daylights. NOT Octopussy NOT for yours eye only Wikipedia Inside Bond movies documentary
Didn't know Dalton was asked about LALD. Thought the producers wanted a famous actor after Lazenby. Contradicting myself, one actor who rarely gets mentioned but turned down LALD was Jon Finch.
No public records exist of Dalton ever having been approached to play Bond for _LALD_ , to the best of my knowledge (Connery was asked, by the UA studio at least, but alas...).
Dalton had the chance to make more Bond movies. Even with the 6 year gap after LTK. However turned down the chance. Dalton would not have been much different to Brosnan in G, TND & TWINE.
Very true; Dalton turned it down _cold_ at the demand made by "Cubby" (i.e. 3 more post-Cold War films rather than just one, per his original 3-film deal).
@@bonghunezhou5051 Dalton said Cubby told him 'you can't come back after 6 years & just make one'. You will have to do 5 or 6'! That scared off Dalton. Believe Cubby would have got another 3 Dalton films if he had negotiated one film at a time.
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@@adamcollins915 I honestly think Cubby [and probably Barbara and Micheal] did that was they wanted a new actor to relaunch the series [as they did later by letting Brosnan go]. Dalton's films weren't well regarded in the early 90's and films and more outlandish films were in vogue so Brosnan's lighter touch was what Bond needed at the time.
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Even though Dalton only did 2 Bond films, he left an indelible impression on the franchise in his own unique way. Pierce Brosnan's debut was highly anticipated at the time, but once Timothy Dalton stepped into the role, I wanted to see him do more movies as 007. He looked good in the famous tuxedo and he was very convincing as an action hero with a rough edge.
I’ve always thought this too. Dalton was my bond (despite being born in the 90’s) as I watched all of my James Bond’s on TV or mostly via VHS that I purchased from various discount shops with my pocket money I saved up. The Living Daylights was my first one.
Personally, I think Roger Moore should still have done Octopussy. The film fit his style and still brought him back down to earth,leaving his bond on a cliffhanger of “did he retire and run away with Octopussy?”
The rest fit perfectly into Dalton’s Bond. For Your Eyes only would be a great opener for him (because that mission is for his eyes only and not Roger’s) and View to a Kill fits his more athletic, real world Bond too (and would give background to his riding ability showin in TLD, although Dalton riding Horses extensively in two films might be a little repetitive).
If Timothy Dalton did more than two films, he should have done A View to a kill, The Living Daylights and License to kill. It would have been interesting to see Dalton's Bond Vs Max Zorin. I don't have a favourite Bond l, I think they are all great but if someone said you have to say one actor I would say Roger Moore. Roger Moore was good in a view to a kill but I think it would have been interesting to see Dalton's Bond against Zorin and how the film would have played out with Dalton as Bond in the film, I think it would have been darker.
Timothy Dalton as James Bond from 1981-1993 would have been wonderful. He is my favorite Bond and my favorite Bond film is The Living Daylights.
This idea really depressing me that it never happened.
This is the biggest shame in Bond history for me. To this day, he's still my favorite Bond and it's saying something considering he only did 2. I think the best possible time for him to start would have been for Octopussy and a View to a Kill. Octopussy is fantastic but I'd like to think the cartoony elements such as the Tarzan call, telling a tiger to sit, the dead body corpse part along with the clown disguise wouldn't have happened. A View to a Kill could have been dynamite with Dalton with perhaps a better actress for Stacey and/or better dialogue. fYEO is the perfect end to Moore's Bond for me. Hes clearly aging and he's aware that he's older so it could have worked as his "final mission". Great video as always.
Dalton was a great bond who should’ve started his tenure earlier. I think both his films are solid, Licence To Kill is his best and for me in my Top 5.
I think had he started with A View To A Kill it would’ve been a perfect introduction to him. Naturally they would’ve had to have revised the script and remove the silly humour and change the tone but Dalton V.S Walken would’ve been a far better match. The fight on the Golden Gate Bridge was a great location but Moore looked like he was about to pull a hernia and it was hardly a fight, he basically trips Walken. Can you imagine how much better that fight would’ve been if Dalton and Walken done it? I can picture Bond taking the axe off Zorin and Zorin resorts to an Uzi being passed to him by the nutty doctor and before he can pull the trigger, bond knocks it out of his hand with the axe and punches him off the bridge. Would’ve been so much more epic.
I agree, had Timothy Dalton been cast as James Bond sooner it would have been fantastic. It really would have taken the series back to where it started. The 1980's would have been Dalton's time to shine, with the right changes to the screenplays of the first three movies. I also like to imagine that in this possible scenario the problems that affected Licence To Kill's production(the 1988 writers guild strike, United Artists/MGM's internal issues with people/budget, poor marketing campaign and a release in a crowded summer full of squeals to other popular movies) would be largely avoided thanks to clearer heads and Dalton having proved himself already to the studio suits.
I’ll say it again and again till I’m blue in the face - Timothy Dalton is the most underrated James Bond ever, and the second best Bond behind Connery. It’s a shame circumstances beyond his control prevented him from completing his trilogy in the early 90’s, because had he started as early as 81/83, I believe he would have taken the franchise in a darker and more Cold War-oriented direction after the light-hearted and fun-loving antics of the Moore era.
To me, Octopussy is a Moore film. It’s ending is tailor made for him, and I can’t see Dalton doing the silly stuff like swinging on a vine like Tarzan, telling a tiger to sit, or dressing up as a clown. End it in 1981 with the Battle of the Bonds. For Your Eyes Only though? Definitely a Dalton film. It’s stripped back and realistic approach would have been perfect for him. For starters, the Bibi Dahl silliness, as well as the parrot talking to Thatcher, would have to go. Every time i cast a Dalton version of FYEO, I’d release it in 1983, have Blondie perform the theme instead of Sheena Easton and cast Rutger Hauer as Kristatos, which would mean a solid debut for Dalton.
View to a Kill? Rewrite it, keep Max Zorin and May Day, keep Duran Duran’s banger of a theme, and cast Farrah Fawcett (Charlie’s Angels reunion) as Stacey = a better outing.
Keep TLD and LTK the way they are. They’re easily both top 5 Bond films.
And finally, Dalton would sign off with Whisper from Hell (AKA Property of a Lady) in 1991 with Elizabeth Hurley as the main Bond girl, John Lone as the main villain, and Anthony Hopkins as Denholm Crisp. We then get a three year break, and then in comes Brosnan with GoldenEye. If only......
@Randy White True. Dalton showed he can do comedy in Hot Fuzz. And Sextette as well.
Would have liked to have seen a late 90's Bond with Dalton. He aged well & would have had even more gravitas in his early 50's & after a few more Bond movies.
LTK and TLD are in my top five of the series. Dalton doing more Bond films is, IMO, the biggest regret of the series,
Seems Billington, Brolin & Warbeck were possible Bond replacements late 70's - early 80's. Moore's 3 picture deal ended in 1977.
By 1986 they were all a bit too old & their time had gone.
Moore said he was quitting in 1979 after finding out Brolin had been tested. Then signed up for FYEO a few weeks later.
I personally would have loved to have seen Timothy Dalton in more Bond films. The thought of him in a confrontation with Christopher Walken just gives me chills. I would have liked his "tenure" as Bond to have gone from For Your Eyes Only until Goldeneye (which unfortunately was caught in some legal battle, otherwise it would have been made with Dalton). That said, Timothy Dalton is known to have a varied acting career and he is easily the best actor ever to play Bond. He is more interested in challenging himself as an actor rather than being a celebrity. The other Bond actors, with due respect, will be remembered mainly as Bond but Mr. Dalton will not only be remembered as Bond but as Rochester in Jane Eyre, Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, Sir Malcolm in Penny Dreadful, Skinner in Hot Fuzz (very funny) and Mr. Pricklepants in Toy Story among others. What a long, and illustrious career.
@Randy White true, he also gave a wonderful perofrmance in The Offence. Disturbing theme though. I stand corrected.
I like to think what if Timothy Dalton continued being bond and was Bond of the 90s now that would have been cool 🎰
Dalton should have been the 80s Bond. Sean was great for the 60s and Roger was perfect for the 70s. Beginning in the 80s, action films began to be a bit more violent and edgy. John Glen worked that into the films and toughened Moore. I love FYEO as it is and Octopussy is great. Still, I would have loved to see Dalton in them. He definitely needed to be in AVTAK.
Roger Moore should have started off with Diamonds Are Forever a
and end with Moonraker being his fifth and final movie
I’m just now discovering you lol, this is awesome! Keep it up and can’t wait to see more
I think Roger Moore was great in both FYEO and OP as an older Bond, so I will not remove him from this couple. But having Dalton started in AVTAK would have been a great and fresh start for him. He would had a realistic debut and brutal movie, with sadistic and charismatic villain. Even with this outcome the fate of both LD and LTK would have been different. And I honestly think, with 3 movies it still would have been more softer bridge for public to Dalton's brutalliest performance in LTK.
Got Daltons bond tattooed on my arm. Hes awesome
i have to say, it did seems very much even back then that they wanted a new actor after doing a few movies in order to keep the franchise fresh and not just rely on one actor .
Agree with you on this FYEO would have been a great start for his Bond. As for the aftermath of LTK, the legal action situation with the tv rights could still either happen or not happen. If it didn’t we might have gotten Brosnan earlier
You should do a video on a what if.
What if Timothy Dalton did Goldeneye (1995) to Die Another Day (2002) after Dalton did The Living Daylights (1987) and License to Kill (1989).
What if Timothy Dalton started On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), Diamonds Are Forever (1971) or Live and Let Die (1973).
Warbeck's Wiki page says he was considered for LALD. Possible, but he had only starred in one film before then, in 1969.
Warbeck became an action man around 1980. Starring in a handful of unknown action films.
It's a bit of an internet myth that Goldeneye was 'Written for Dalton' as if the script was untouched from day one [which rarely happens on any film as the script is constantly evolving even during filming]. Dalton did see the first draft of the script by Micheal France which didn't have Trevelyan nor the Goldeneye EMP device so was presumably very different to the finished film.
After France added these elements [though Trevelyan didn't resemble his film counterpart], the script was re-written by Jeffery Caine, Kevin Wade [uncredited though Jack Wade was named after him] and Bruce Feirstein to the extent that France only got a story credit. By this point the script was considerably different and written to match Brosnan's strengths which is why he was able to hit the ground running.
I always assumed the basic structure was the same, with some of the more lighthearted moments added later. The plotting of Goldeneye feels more plausible than Brosnan's later films, which is probably how the "it was written for Dalton" stories developed. If Trevelyan or even the Goldeneye device itself wasn't in the original script, then it doesn't sound like the finished product at all mirrors what was originally written with Dalton in mind.
I have read the script. The Bond in that first draft of GoldenEye was closer to Dalton in The Living Daylights. That movie was definitely written for him in mind. Trevelyan was an older man and the GoldenEye device was called the Tempest.
I like FYEO but it would have absolutely been improved with Dalton. Suits him much more than it did Moore
I've been a Bond fan since the age of 4. A View to a Kill, and For your eyes only are my ultimate favorite Bond films. I actually preferred Roger's 80's films vs his 70's ones. I think the best timeline change would have been Dalton from 87-97. I enjoyed Goldeneye and Tomorrow never dies but think they may have been better with Dalton.
00-Henry! You never disappoint me!!!
I always dream about the Dalton Bond/80s Bond era so much, well done on this vid God, youve made yourself proud! The Bondverse film franchise have so many wasted opportunities, my opinion.
UPDATE: I've always known that Timothy Dalton would've become James Bond had either Roger Moore did his era like in our timeline (although after Sean Connery did On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Diamonds Are Forever) or had George Lazenby finished his 10 year tenure as Bond (starting out in On Her Majesty's Secret Service and dominating the 70s before ending it all in Moonraker).
For Your Eyes Only would've been an awesome film with Dalton in my opinion. Although Julian Glover would've played his role the same but more layered like Le Chiffre and Dr No. Robert Brown and Caroline Bliss would've started out in FYEO after the departures of Bernard Lee and Lois Maxwell as M and Moneypenny, to fit with revamp of the Bondverse film franchise from the moment the 1980s kicked in.
I'm with ya on Dalton in Octopussy, he and Maud Adams would've been great, the safari hunt with Dalton's Bond vs the goons would've got audiences like "WTF is he?! 00-Rambo?!"
A View to a Kill, the Goldfinger/Spy Who Loved Me/Skyfall chapter of the Dalton era. This film would've been a much more successful film critically and financially had Dalton appeared in it. He and Tanya Roberts would've been a believable pair, the fight with Timothy Dalton and Christopher Walken as 007 and Max Zorin would've been amazing, Dalton would show more of his stuntmanship in this film such as the firetruck chase scene.
The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill would still be the exact same films in our timeline. I'm wit ya on the fact that Licence would've been much successful had Dalton dominated the 80s earlier.
David Hedison would be Felix Leiter in his appearances in FYEO, Living Daylights (instead of John Terry) and Licence to Kill had he started out earlier in Diamonds are Forever (alt. Connery or Lazenby), Live and Let Die and Moonraker.
with the amount of deepfake videos being made, it would be nice to see a fan cut version of those movies with Tim in the role :)
Hey bond geek, nick here from commenting on your on her majesty's secret service, and Personally this is my opinion. If Roger Moore left the role after octopussy cause I think that should have been the case, and if Timothy took over the role in a veiw to a kill.
How did I miss this video?!! Well better late than never. The only reservation I have about Dalton (and I really enjoyed his two films and thought he was a fine Bond) is that he had the opposite issue to Roger Moore. Moore was uncomfortable with the more cold-blooded aspects of the character, while Dalton was uncomfortable with the humourous / movie star aspects.
Timothy Dalton is The real deal. Best Bond ever 😎👍🏻
the jungle run with Tim would feel alot more like First Blood in the that one man is trying to survive in the jungle while being pursued by men with guns.
I've always argued Skyfall's ending is like First Blood with the hero using the environment and traps against a larger amount of heavily armed enemies [instead of the tedious 'home alone' comparisons as if traps were never done before 1990].
@@jamesatkinsonja good point on it being less home alone i can agree with you on. I think its there in the movie more that rather than having a huuuuge epic villians liar ending, we have something a little more softer on the action more. By the way i think Ive seen you before on other Bond related videos haven't I ? :)
@@DafyddBrooks Yeah, I'm a regular on most of the channels!
@@jamesatkinsonja aww excellent man :). hope to hear your thoughts soon again :)
I always thought of it as being a more elaborate Straw Dogs, with the ominous, countryhouse setting.
brosnan was my first...As i got older and watch the others..Dalton was badass!!!
Timothy Dalton would have been an improvement, but the direction of John Glen would still be an issue. he's a workman-like director. Only rarely do the action scenes and editing pass what could be considered "okay." Glen did good work in FYEO, TLD, and in patches of LTK. The hunt in Octopussy would need more than a different actor. A View to a Kill was sloppy in many respects: editing, continuity, script, etc.
Too bad Dalton only got 2 movies... However, both were very good movies! For example, Moore's first 2 films were much weaker... *** But Moore will probably keep his record forever: 7 movies! And I'm a big fan of his 5 movies: 1977, 1979, 1981, 1983, 1985.
Dalton should have play in ''A View to a Κill'' and possibly in a 4th film in 1992 for the celebration 30 years Bond films.
Billington, Warbeck & Brolin were born within 16 months of each other.
Suspect they all left the Bond radar after Moore signed up for Octopussy. Brolin nearly got the part in 83 but would have been mid 40's by AVTAK. Besides which Moore signed up for it.
And if license to kill would have done good at the box office and there was no legal issues he could have done two more Bond films between licensed to kill and GoldenEye one in 1991 and another one in 1993 that would have been two more Dalton Bond films we never got too bad 🎲
A great What if... i've often thought this myself and had a little day dream of what i could have been like. Even the opening in the grave yard would have linked it back to OHMSS which ive often thought a Dalton lead FYEO would have picked up from.
Yeah, I also wish Dakton had done all 5 80's Bond films. With Moore doing DAF and Connery doing OHMSS. With the Blofeld trilogy in the correct order, YOLT following OHMSS, not preceeding it.
Dalton...Japan...80s...Yes!!!
Indeed, but I do find that for TLD and LTK that they wudve a few more changes, less with LTK but more with TLD, that one wud have probably less jokes and puns, more darker scenes, the pet shop boys song to make the film darker, the 2 main villains wud be probably recasted for a Dalton movie, there wud be no lady in the yaut in the pre title sequence, and just overall it wudnt feel like a Roger Moore hangover.
LTK wud probably have less one jokes and they'd probably bring back Quarrel Jr, the song wud probably be darker once again, Della might not be as comedic, the ending wudnt be so funny but still maybe happy, the deleted scene where bond's watching TV wud probably be in the final cut, Felix might be recasted for sum1 to Daltons age, Felix might have lost an arm too to make things more gory, and the film probably wudve like the Bond Geek said, a big finally ending
In my opinion, I would have loved to see more films come from him it would’ve been a pleasure but you know with the 80s how they were as a literally asking for too much but I would love to seen him in at least four more films but at least we have two that we can look back out. It’s just really bad that us as a Timothy Dalton fans that just love him playing James Bond. We waited five years for absolutely nothing and it’s just sad. I would’ve loved to seen him in view to a kill it would’ve been awesome but as I say it is what it is and we can just be thankful that we got to movies wonderful movie side of him before he left and on top of that coming from a woman’s perspective, he is the most handsome respond to date
Billington, Warbeck & Brolin were the contenders during the Moore era. If Moore had retired sooner. But were too old by the time Moore stepped down.
Brosnan became a candidate around 1984 after Remington Steel had been going a couple of years.
After AVTAK at least a dozen actors were apparently going to be the next Bond. Brosnan always the favourite. Dalton came from nowhere at the last minute after CBS blocked Brosnan.
Licence To Kill is easily the Best Bondmovie ever made. Its much better than The Living Daylights
I wish he would have done a view to a kill as his first bond film. I still think Roger mailed it in.
Timothy Dalton was way too young in 1969 to play bond. James Bond is supposed to be in his 30s to 40s and he was in his 20s in 1969 specifically 23 to be exact
Easy to picture him For Your Eyes Only. Octopussy and A View To a Kill on other hand would have definitely been altered for his Bond.
Love Moore, but sold. Agree.
What if Die Another Day was made during Craig’s tenure as Bond?
That was the reason why we got Casino Royale
Don't believe FYEO & O would have been much different with Dalton in.
However around this time James Brolin was the man who would have taken over from Moore.
It's quite common for people to say nowadays to say 'View to a Kill would be better with Dalton against Christopher Walken' but I can't see that script fitting him at all. A young Brosnan might have suited it better.
I would have to concur; View/Kill would have been a far better fit for (the more youthful) Pierce, whereas FYEO and 8PY likewise for Timothy.
I suppose Pierce could have at least leapt around a bit in the fight scenes.
Yeah FYEO was tailor made for Dalton apparently, however he turned it down before seeing a script, Cubby could have had a long talk to him about the project telling him that they are not going with the comical elements that were in Moore’s film, Octopussy could have worked with him, AVTAK, a tricky one, unless there are some major adjustments to the story, but I also feel that AVTAK could have worked with Pierce Brosnan, but he was busy with NBC and Remington Steele. Had Dalton never gotten the role, Lewis Collins could have nailed it, but Cubby didn’t like him.
@@seanwhelanwhelan2648 Roger said in his book as far as he was concerned he was always going to do FYEO and John Glenn was insistent Moore stay [so he didn't have to introduce a new Bond in his directorial debut] so it certainly wasn't 'tailor made for Dalton' and any auditions seemed to be part of Moore's salary demands, especially as with NSNA on the horizon keeping the established Moore made sense.
i dont recall dalton was asked again back in -72, but he wast top 3 in -68, and back in -86 he was again top 3 after brosnan couldnt do bond. like dalton moore was in the bond talk back in -61, -68 as well, i like dalton but i wish he didnt do bond before it vould so wrong in many ways, first he did i still a great bond story......i have an great ide for next video for u, if u hade the chance to bring back 7 bond novels into film witch one vould u pick and why, also in witch order.....
He is also My favourite.
Interesting, but i think Dalton would fit just in for your eyes only. James Brolin would be better for octopussy and a view to a kill. Licence to kill is one of the best movies from the franchise, in my opinion.
⬆🖒 Broadly concur.
On balance, those three would have been relatively better than they actually are, particularly FYEO.
With Dalton as the new lead, a major _casting_ revision would have taken place. For starters, Lois Maxwell assuredly would have been replaced (regardless of her intentions) with one like Caroline Bliss or Michaela Clavell. As well, neither Lynn Holly Johnson nor Patrick Macnee would have appeared in their respective parts, in all likelihood.
Though I personally really would have preferred to have Tim star in all five John Glen-helmed 007/Bond films of the decade, my informed surmise is that he would have been in three films - or at most four - for he seemed not to be so emotionally attached to the role that Pierce apparently had been (Tim already had declined the role for 1969, whereas Pierce was at best chagrined at the fact that he would not be starring in more than four entries).
To be fair when people say 'so and so declined Bond' I think it's more a question of the actor being asked 'Do you want to be considered for it?' or they weren't formally in the running [for example Martin Campbell said only two actors were seriously considered for Bond in Casino Royale, Daniel Craig and Henry Cavill despite reports Hugh Jackman among others turned it down]. I think Dalton was probably asked 'do you want to audition'? but said no as he felt he was too young.
@randywhite3947 Corrected it
If only Timothy Dalton was bond from FYEO if Dalton had done 5 bonds he would have gone down as the best 007 ever, great video, but I do disagree with you on LTK it is definitely one of the best bond movies and most of that is because of Dalton, he did everything that Craig has done ,only Dalton did it so much better.
The deepfake youtube videos have Dalton in G, TND & TWINE.
Must admit Dalton does look better with Brosnan's hair.
hahahah yes Ive noticed that. although his hair in living daylights is cool though :) dont suppose youve seen this one have you ?? th-cam.com/video/OekcUJm-W3g/w-d-xo.html
Dalton was though actor James Bond movies actor
OHMSS
THE living Daylight
NOT another Bond movies
Inside Bond movies documentary
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I hate to say it but I've never really been a fan of Dalton's Bond. I'd prefer to see Brosnan in A View to a Kill, for example.
I'm sure Pierce would have loved that!
Brosnan admitted he wasn’t ready for the role at the time. But interesting set up nonetheless.
@@LexingtonDeville984 Don't believe Pierce would have got AVTAK in 1984. He was barely known & even younger. May have also been tied into his Remington Steel contract.
Pierce became a big contender around 1985/6.
What was Tim doing in 1984?
Timothy Dalton should of Been James Bond in these films
For your Eyes Only
A View to a Kill
The Living Daylights
Licence to Kill
Goldeneye
Think Dalton would have liked FYEO & O. Both films had their serious moments. However Moore was also good in both.
Dalton would have improved AVTAK. However he couldn't have saved it. A lot of changes would be needed.
Agreed; even Dalton could not have "saved" AVTAK, the basic material was just too weak, particularly compared to TLD and FYEO.
Would have been great for TD to have taken over from Roger Moore. Roger was brilliant still but he was a tad old by the end.
Lois Maxwell
Sir Roger Moore FROM UK
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Nor Roger Moore from USA
NOT JAMES BOND MOVIES ACTOR HISTORY
Dalton was NOT asked to play Bond in OHMSS, this is a lazy weakly researched Timor.
Dalton was asked to audition, he refused as he felt it would be career suicide, so no audition took place and no offer was given to play the role.
Dalton could have made 9 Bonds, 87 - 2003. If they had continued with the 'every 2 years' cycle.
He would have still have been younger than a AVTAK Moore if making a ninth. Dalton also aged well so may have still looked good.
However suspect he would have made 4-6 if there was no 6 year gap.
No Bond would have been made between 90-95 who ever was Bond was Eon were involved in legal wranglings. Dalton eventually turned down a third Bond as he only wanted to do one more film after the break.
DALTON WAS AMAZING TO BAD HE WASNT ON GOLDEN GUN. HMSS
Roger Moore was greedy and couldn't give up
Wtf? Moonraker is the worst Bond film in the series.
That's just his opinion. Stop judging. Jesus.
I’d love a follow up that explores Option 2. If Timothy Dalton had done FYEO, Octopussy and ended on VTAK, what would TLD and LTK (and future bonds) looked like?
Goldfinger would possibly have been even bigger given audiences would have been waiting for years to see it. Or maybe it would have meant a different Bond in between Dalton and Brosnan?
"Goldfinger" ?? (or _Golden Eye_ )
@@bonghunezhou5051 Haha exactly 😂 This is what I get for commenting when I wake up
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Dalton was though James Bond movies actor
OHMSS and The living Daylights.
NOT Octopussy NOT for yours eye only
Wikipedia
Inside Bond movies documentary
@@oesandb24 Dalton didn’t star in OHMSS 😂
Didn't know Dalton was asked about LALD. Thought the producers wanted a famous actor after Lazenby.
Contradicting myself, one actor who rarely gets mentioned but turned down LALD was Jon Finch.
No public records exist of Dalton ever having been approached to play Bond for _LALD_ , to the best of my knowledge (Connery was asked, by the UA studio at least, but alas...).
@@bonghunezhou5051 Yes Sean was asked. What do you think of Jon Finch, who turned down LALD?
@@adamcollins915 (sorry) Never heard of him, thus no opinion ~
@@bonghunezhou5051 He's online.
Reminds me of Dalton in that he has done theatre work. He also turned down Doyle in The Professionals.
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OHMSS and the living Daylight
Dalton had the chance to make more Bond movies. Even with the 6 year gap after LTK. However turned down the chance.
Dalton would not have been much different to Brosnan in G, TND & TWINE.
Very true; Dalton turned it down _cold_ at the demand made by "Cubby" (i.e. 3 more post-Cold War films rather than just one, per his original 3-film deal).
@@bonghunezhou5051 Dalton said Cubby told him 'you can't come back after 6 years & just make one'. You will have to do 5 or 6'!
That scared off Dalton. Believe Cubby would have got another 3 Dalton films if he had negotiated one film at a time.
@@adamcollins915 Indeed; as many as 6 additionally (certainly more than 1) ~
Brosnan WAS THOUGHT TO JAMES BOND ACTOR
From 1981
Moore was though James Bond movies actor From 1962
Dalton was though actor James Bond movies actor
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@@adamcollins915 I honestly think Cubby [and probably Barbara and Micheal] did that was they wanted a new actor to relaunch the series [as they did later by letting Brosnan go]. Dalton's films weren't well regarded in the early 90's and films and more outlandish films were in vogue so Brosnan's lighter touch was what Bond needed at the time.