As a rookie Bond fan, I quickly loved Timothy Dalton's James Bond. He read the books and made 007 a complex character; not only was he the cold and hardened agent we know and love, but his Bond was not without feelings, wanting to stay away from his job, but exacting revenge on those who hurt the peoole he cared about.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj Me too, even though I like him in other things.... having said that, I watched the Living Daylights again recently and enjoyed it up until the stupid Afghan bit. The Afghan bit and Licence to Kill both got into 80s drug film territory except without the cool parts of Live and Let Die.
I absolutely love both Dalton's portrayal of the character and the Asian settings in You Only Live Twice and Man with the Golden Gun. Having a Dalton film with Asian locations would have been really cool. A shame it didn't happen.
Honestly, a huge shame Dalton never got his third film. Pretty much robbed due to copyright dispute and poor marketing. He could have really gotten one hell of a send off in the role, he does make a quick cameo in Last Action Hero as Bond tho so there’s a silver lining.
He was definitely robbed of a third movie but of all the Bonds he ended his tenure with a pretty decent movie. Not counting On Her Majesty's Secret Service, if you think about all the previous and successive Bond actors' final movies, Diamonds Are Forever, A View To A Kill, Die Another Day, and No Time To Day, License To Kill is better than all of them. The only expectation could be NTTD but we'll have to wait and see how the years treat that movie. Though Daniel Craig unequivocally ended his Bond career on the best note since he chose to leave on a successful note and he had a lot of praise for his time as Bond.
@@spencerkindra8822 The final films in the previous Bond actors is the 6th in Diamonds Are Forever, 7th in A View to a Kill, 4th in Die Another Day and 5th in No Time To Die. I believe Dalton should have play in ''A View To a Κill'' and in a 4th film in 1992 in celebration 30 years of Bond films.
@@user-xp2gm8im2c that would’ve been awesome and actor literally looks like a character in the books really for the 30th celebration boy did they messed up big time
Missed opportunity that we never got Alan Rickman as a Bond villain. Especially since the original Die Hard had three actors that has been in Dalton Bond films.
@@Mark-lj1dj The other 'agent Johnston' [Grand L. Bush] from Die Hard is with Felix before the raid on Sanchez at the start of LTK as an in joke to Sanchez's actor.
Some of this feels very weird to have been written for Dalton. The bits about Bond aging would have fit perfectly with his portrayal but there were far too many quips, which were never Dalton's strength.
I love The Living Daylights. It had a gag here and there, but I love how it stayed very grounded. The first act - especially the defection scene - is fantastic.
After Connery, Dalton was my favorite Bond. The scripts for his films weren't great but he had the character down just the way I wanted him to be. Imagine if he had acted in the Casino Royale script!
I would love to see Timothy Dalton in a 3rd Bond but this light-hearted plot leaves me cold . Personally, id like to see a more romantic/dramatic movie where Dalton has to find a top group of assassins ( call them Chameleon or something or it's a device that turns anyone into an assassin ) and that would have played to Dalton's strengths.
I don't know man, so many key people had left: Cubby Brocolli, John Barry, Maurice Binder, Richard Maibaum, etc. A lot of the movers and shakers behind the scenes that helped make Bond work. Maybe taking off 6 years was the best thing for Bond. I mean, I really like all the Bonds, especially Dalton and Brosnan, and I'm glad we got Goldeneye out of it all. I think Licence to Kill is a wonderful send off for the "Cold War Era" Bond.
Agreed. I also think Goldeneye not happening until 1995 allowed the Cold War/USSR collapse to settle meaning it could tackle the Post Cold war era [especially in Russia] very well rather than trying to react to an every changing situation.
Dalton is by far the most underrated bond. All film series have missed opportunities here and there but bond is the most frustrating. Craig did five movies spanning 17 years (That’s the equivalent of time between Dr. No and moonraker- 11 films)! Now that Craig is finished, I hope the series goes strong, considering Tom cruise’s mission impossible series is wrapping up as well 😞. Henry Cavill is my pick for the next go around.
Catherine Zeta Jones as a Bond Girl. What a missed opportunity. I like the Dalton movies, but somehow never really warmed up to Dalton. I think it may have been due to growing up with Roger Moore as James Bond. Did I see some clips in that video from The Man From Uncle. Ironically, I really enjoy that movie and am probably one of the few people that doesn't think Henry Cavill is too old to take on the role
Well he was asked if he wanted to audition and said no in 1969. Moore was approached [probably more seriously] but wasn't free for 1969 or 1971, Brosnan was on Eon's horizon from 1981 [when he visited the set of FYEO] and Craig was first spotted by Eon in 1998's Elizabeth. They usually have there eyes a future Bond a long time before they cast them.
I'm glad this movie never panned out. A Cyborg villain, a sci-fi vehicle, Bond questioning his age, Bond as a cowboy, and camp. Oh, I HATE camp. No thank you to this and I'm glad this film never happened.
Also, the cyborg part wasn't the focus. Just a tangent to create a little mystery. Think Baron Samedi's return at the end of Live and Let Die, after he's been killed.
At 4:23 I like the backlog from a script but sadly Timothy decided to quit to play Bond. But when I read it in this video. It was a great way for them to produce Goldeneye when the writers decided to use the lines from the movie at a time when Pierce Brosnan land the role of Bond in 1995
A third Dalton film would've been great! I think it would've been cool if Bond had to prove himself to the service after the events of Licence to Kill.
I do wonder if in the final film if they'd ending up making it he'd just be back with no explanation as Bond didn't really do heavy continuity back then and previous scripted continuity nods got cut for this reason [like Bond talking to Quarrel Jr. about his dad in Live and Let Die].
@@ethanbentley1837 actually, they do. In diamonds are forever, they ask bond how was his vacation, which meant he took a leave of absence after on her majestys. Dr no was mentioned in Russia with love.
@@randomhuman97 I took the Diamonds bit as an in joke to Connery not being in the previous Bond film personally along with the 'MI6 functions in your absence' line but credit to you for not saying it proved the code name theory! Dr No is mentioned in FRWL twice [Silvia Trench returns and mentions it was 6 months ago, Spectre want revenge] but only briefly and given that was follow up to the first film it made sense that wasn't something they maintained afterwards-even though Spectre/Blofeld return they don't mention past films in the Connery-Lazenby era. The only real overt continuity was Bond's marriage [especially in FYEO].
@@jamesatkinsonja the code name theory is complete and utter garbage. It only exists because of a few points of doubt in the "James bond is a character" fact. The only evidence FOR the codename theory is DISPROVING that James bond is a character and no other evidence, on which the theory can stand on its own merit.
There’s an interview with Dalton from a few years ago where Cubby wanted him to do 4-5 more films but Dalton was only willing to do 1 more so he respectfully declined. They wanted him since he was 23 years old.
@@spencerkindra8822 I think the truth is he was on a short list and they asked him if he wanted to audition/be considered but he said no to that so it didn't go any further rather than him just being offered Bond [when all have to go through the auditions, even when it's pretty nailed on like Craig]. I think that's what actually occurs for 99% of the 'offered Bond' [or other parts] stories rather than the part being offered to what seems like 5 or 6 people each time [especially if you look at the 'considered for Bond' list on wiki and other sites].
I don't think "they wanted him", but supposedly he auditioned at that age. And Brosnan supposedly almost played Bond in Octopussy. As much as I love Lazenby and Moore, I think it would've been cool to actually have one actor portray the character for 20 years or more.
@@jakobholgersson4400 I doubt Dalton would've played Bond for 20 years. He most likely would've done four or five movies before calling it quits. He wouldn't have wanted to limit himself to Bond for that long even though he obviously could've done other movies in between.
I remember being excited for Timothy Dalton starring as Bond...Sean, George, and Roger...these were my Dad's Bonds. Dalton was my Bond and he wasn't give a chance by the American audience. I wish he did at least three more films.
'Property of a Lady' to the tune of Goldeneye 🤣🤣🤣 Hilarious Jeroen! Really great editing to piece together a rough idea of these drafts! I would have loved another Dalton. CZJ would have been a great Bond girl.
Agree with you 100% and never knew about the 2 proposed Dalton follow ups. Always loved Dalton as Bond and really wished he’d stayed to do one last one. But can understand after such a long wait why the desire to do another had faded.
I prefer Daylights, with Licence being my #2, but it's always a good thing to hear other fans speak up about their support of the Dalton era. I really need to pick this book up, I can hear Dalton's voice in my head with some of those lines, especially; "Good morning, sir. The good news is, I have found the plane."
I think the problem with Licence to Kill is it was more a mix of Die Hard/Lethal Weapon/Miami Vice. As Bond was having to compete with these new action movies which had overtaken Bond. It's definitely a shame that Dalton didn't get his final movie because he was a very good Bond.
Timothy Dalton was my favorite bond!!! He played Bond as he was portrayed in the books, not a parody! Dalton was the best actor also. They were all sexy, but Dalton took the gold!❤
Fascinating isn't it? What does get made and what doesn't. It's true for many movies, what does get made and what never sees the light of day. The best movies to never be made and so forth. Dalton played the character very well, serious, but with heart and vulnerable. I have the original books. Shame Dalton never got the chance to do a third.
It's really fascinating. It's defenitely a major 'what if' and fascinating to speculate what this would have been like! - Good to hear you are reading the books too! You may like what is coming up on saturday the 14th then! (Delving into the world of literary Bond!)
I love Dalton and was thrilled to see him in The Living Daylights after Moore's horrendous A View to a Kill. But given how poorly Dalton's Licence to Kill performed at the box-office and given how MGM president was no fan of Dalton and was really pressing for Brosnan even back then, I'm not sure a third or especially a fourth Dalton film ever woulda been made even if MGM had not been going through its financial setbacks and legal issues. And not unusual that potential scripts were being written, just as there was for a potential Jinx spin-off movie
I do wonder if the whole 'asking Dalton to do multiple films when he only wanted to do one' offer which caused him to walk away was really MGM's tactic to remove him? It's a bit like when people mention that contract Lazenby was offered when I do wonder if UA would just have paid him off if he'd signed it as they did with John Gavin as they were hell bent on getting Sean back.
@@jeffduncan9140 He would have been helped if his first film was a little later than 1987. Such a different style coming so soon after Moore's long stint was always going to be a harder sell than if Bond was coming back after a break [which is what occurred with Brosnan and Craig].
One of the things I liked was the contrast between Timothy Dalton and Roger Moore. Roger Moore will always be "my" Bond but he was a Bond for his time, and times change.
I always remember "THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS" was the only Bond film I saw in theatres 4 TIMES. The 4th time, I went with my brother, who, after, said, "Until this, George Lazenby had been my favorite Bond." I know how he feels. When I read all of Fleming's books in the 70s, I could somehow never picture Connery as I was reading. When John Gardner began writing his novels, I could imagine Roger Moore... but only because of the much better-than-usual job he did in "FOR YOUR EYES ONLY". From the moment "TLD" came out, the only actor I could picture was Timothy Dalton. And the funny thing is, to me, he "feels" like Bond... but he doesn't really "look" like Bond. (This is the exact opposite of Moore.) So many people talk about what a cold, hard, humorless womanizer he was in the books... and the weird thing is, somehow, I NEVER got that feeling when reading Fleming! But it does sound to me like an exact description of Connery. (Go figure.) I had NEVER heard about any of the stuff you discussed in this video, so it was very interesting. Truthfully, what I wouldn't mind, would be a "what if" video about if Dalton had done "FOR YOUR EYES ONLY". I feel certain the next 2 films after it, even if they used the same stories, would have been done a LOT better, without the silliness that KEPT creeping back in. The other week, I ran across something unexpected. I was watching a Hammer film I'd never seen before, "THE KISS OF THE VAMPIRE". In one of the audio commentaries, actor Edward DeSouza jokes about wanting to be James Bond, even though he says he KNOWS he's not right for it. The moment he said that, I started thinking about it, and, funny enough, I suddenly COULD picture him in the role... IF they'd been doing the books as written. Then again, some years ago, while watching the 80s TV series "Agatha Christie's PARTNERS IN CRME", I found myself thinking James Warwick ("Tommy Beresford") was even more my idea of the Bond from the novels. After decades of loving the movies, it's strange, but these days, I find I like the books WAY more. By the way, Bond getting older was a big part of the first act of "Thunderball". Which is probably why they used it in the fil "NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN". Finally... Fleming's very offbeat novel, "The Spy Who Loved Me" (the one he had put into the contracts should NEVER be adapted!!) takes place in Canada. If you track down the newspaper comic-strip version from the 60s, it was "expanded" very nicely to become a "proper" Bond story.
I also love TLD. One of the great Bond. In my book, I also write about the Spanish -language Bond comics. There are a ton or adapted and original works, including a version. Of The Spy Who Loved Me.
Count me among the Dalton fans. It's truly a shame he didn't get the over-the-top third film. While I love both of his films, they are admittedly low key plots. It's like Moore's first two films, both low-key. But then, Moore of course got Spy with its much bigger stakes. Dalton needed that in order to cement his take on the role. It's a shame he didn't get his Spy Who Loved Me. I read the Edlitz book. Loved it.
I don't believe Dalton quit I think he was pushed out of the series because they wanted brosnan because if you look at some of the movies he was doing at the time in between his last Bond film and GoldenEye it's hard to believe he would say no 🎥
According to Dalton he was only willing to do one more Bond as he felt he was getting to0 old [he's 7 years older than Brosnan and would have been 49 in 1995] but I think your on to something--they knew he didn't want to do several films and offered him that which was a good way of making it a 'mutual' decision rather than a 'firing'. I think they were very keen for a 'fresh start'. It reminded me of how they were contractually 'obliged to offer Frank Sinatra the lead in Die Hard [as it was based on a book who's prequel became the Sinatra film 'The Detective'] so offered him a very low salary so he'd say no and they could look for someone else.
Excellent video DutchBondFan! I genuinely didn’t know a lot of the details of the unmade third Dalton Bond film.I’m surprised they actually got as far as they did with scripting and casting and as you say,the producers were really ahead of the curve back then compared to todays stop/start schedule!
Back then, bond was a trend setter and you could easily churn out movies in 2 years. Now, with so much competition and Austin powers corrupting minds on old bond, especially in the US, every bond movie needed more time to make it memorable.
@@randomhuman97 Bond has always followed trends, especially during the Moore era [noticeably Moonraker with Star Wars] but the Bond formula was versatile enough it could be quickly adapted. As you say, Austin Powers pretty much killed the more campy elements of the formula as shown by Die Another Day and possibly home media made people more aware of the formula so they can't use it anymore, even if some fans hope it will return.
@@jamesatkinsonja true that. Ohmss was the last trendsetting bond movie plot wise at least. After that, everything was inspired from the trends of the times (dirty Harry style poster and plot in diamonds are forever, blaxploitation in LALD, martial arts in golden gun, star wars in moonraker, Indiana Jones inspired chase in octopussy, silicon Valley business booming in 1985, afghans in TLD, Miami vice in LTK, Jack Ryan style of storytelling where the hero figures out the true motivations of the villain earlier than others in Brosnan movies and jason bourne and marvel style cinematic arc in Craig bond movies) . If you see, only spy who loved me, FYEO, casino,skyfall, and maybe die another day's story was the truly trendsetting bond films . Die another day was totally ruined by the director 😪 . . . He shouldn't be directing films.
I can appreciate Daltons take on Bond, trying to bring it back to what thought the books were about. For me he was just a little too serious and lacking in true humour after Roger Moore, whereas Brosnan kind of sat between the two of them from what I recall. Maybe a third film for Dalton would have seen him reflect on the first time and find a better balance in his performance.
Great video! It's insane how many ideas from that script they used in the later Bond movies. TND and DAD owe a lot to it and I can't believe they were still using some of it's set pieces all the way up to Spectre. Shows just how much the producers would squeeze everything they could out of all Bond IP whether it be the original Fleming novels, a few continuation novels, and unused scripts. That was definitely one of the positives of them not fully adapting the Fleming books; they could use ideas in the later movies. I mean the book You Only Live Twice came out in 1964, the movie came out in 1967, and fifty four years later No Time To Die had the Garden Of Death in it. It'll be interesting what ideas Broccoli and Wilson use for the next movie. Speaking of that which scenes from the novels that haven't been used yet do you think should be in the next movie?
I wasn't a fan of Dalton that much at the time but I enjoyed the movies; recently I've come to appreciate him a lot more in the role and I think a third and fourth outing would have been great. What you've outlined here sounds epic! I agree with you on the robotics and to be honest it sounds as though they had too much for one film (and that stuff looked silly even in the 00s with Die another day) but all the other stuff sounds like a kickass Bond film to me. I loved Goldeneye but thought the other Brosnan movies always lacked something; maybe it would have panned out better with Dalton in the role for a few more throws of the dice before Brosnan took over.
Man, oh, man do I agree with you. Licence to Kill is my favorite one, too, but you have to realize I'm not a Bond purist or 007 nut, just an overall general fan of all cinema, world cinema, commercial cinema, indie cinema, you name it, and I think Licence to Kill is an excellent film by any standard. I liked that it had Bond in a more down to Earth setting with a villain based on the kind that actually exist. Obviously, no one will ever supersede Connery in his first several Bond movies, but Dalton is the one I enjoy watching the most.
I was sad when they didn't mention the end of the cold war or anything historical too because in my opinion that's the best part of any bond film to me
This was written in 1990/91 and the situation was rapidly changing [with the soviet union collapsing by the end of 1991] so anything topical would have dated very quickly and they were wise to avoid it. By 1995 Yelsin's Russia was well established and a good subject for Goldeneye to tackle.
The way you sang the title song was hilarious. Very interesting to hear about a bond movie that wasn’t made. As usual, really enjoyed this video. I hope you can do a ranking of all the Bond movies. Curious to know how you rank these movies!!!
Can't wait to rank the movies either! It's a reward for reaching my second goal on Patreon! (It's at 73% right now) Every new supporter accounts to get that number up and get closer to that goal!
Great you did a video on this. I've noticed a lot of comments on Bond community videos saying 'Dalton should have done a 3rd film' but I get the feeling they thought it would basically be a kind of 'Licence to Kill part 2' rather than what it actually would have been. Though it would annoy the fans of LTK, the lighter approach does feel like 'course correction' due to the slack performance of LTK at the box office, especially in America [similar to how Skyfall was a bit lighter and brought back Q+Moneypenny after Quantum] and possibly explains the generally lighter approach when Brosnan arrived. Another consequence of LTK who's box office definitely suffered from being part on the packed 1989 Summer was that Bond's release was moved to autumn and has stayed there ever since.
I agree to the tittle “Property Of The Lady”. And make it as continuation of License to Kill. Bond reinstate his 007 number. Felix Liter still working for CIA as a head advisor, seeing him on the wheelchair. Or walking with cain support by prosthetic legs. Of course no robotic stuff like day. Just kind of closer to reality.
Sadly we'll never get a new Dalton 007 movie, but we're still in time to get DutchBondFan with his Tina Turner impression as the singer for Bond 26. Make it real, EON!
Great video as expected, I liked the first draft written by Wilson and Ruggerio the most, it was almost perfect. It had the intrigue of The Living Daylights but with a high tech flair. The self aware direction with bond is too old wouldn’t have worked for Dalton it would’ve been too jarring even for him. I think had they ironed out some of the excessive stuff like Rodin’s fighter jet supercar and just having it be a motorcycle with a high tech targeting and weapons system that would’ve been more acceptable. Also the henchwoman Nan being a robot seemed a little too much on the Terminator side of things, maybe she could’ve had two bionic arms much like in the way Tee Hee had a mechanical claw and arm in live and let die or like Dr. No and his metal hands but that’s about it. The Aston Martin Virage 1990-1992 wasn’t the prettiest of the Aston Martin’s but it was better than having a BMW which doesn’t scream bond at all. I think had those things been corrected, we could’ve had a tight espionage thriller with a hint of sci-fi. I also really like what Dalton’s 4th could’ve been, it sounded like a fitting closure for Dalton’s bond. Very sombre.
I also love the first version of his third film. I'm glad that you recognized that some of these ideas could be modulated to find the perfect ratio of what works.
This is the same way how I feel about how Craig should have gotten another film between Quantum and Skyfall. A third Timothy Dalton movie would have explored more of his Bond and we would have gotten to see more adventures.
Great video and details to the planned storyline for Dalton's third film. I am a huge fan of Dalton as Bond. Would be very much interested in a similar video about the planned fourth film's storyline with Dalton as well.
Your video is great because with the narrative and the clips I can totally visualize this version of Dalton’s third film. With all of that said, I think Goldeneye with a few minor changes would have been the perfect final outing for Dalton. He enters with a psychological analysis following his rogue status in LTK. Alec Trevelyan is the antithesis of Felix Leiter. The film combines elements of TLD and LTK: Russian intrigue and friendship tested. Five actors who could have worked well with Bond are Anthony Hopkins, Elizabeth Hurley, Catherine Zeta Jones, Lucy Liu, and Jennifer Connelly.
I have to disagree. Goldeneye was the perfect first outing for Brosnan and works very well as a 'first outing' given the post-cold war element. Back then they didn't really reference past films so I doubt LTK followup would be in it [and by the time GE came out that was a while back by 90's film standards]. Dalton did see a first draft but it was very much tailored to Brosnan. I wonder if Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio or Maria Conchita Alonso would have been considered for a 1991/92 film?
Great video, love the mash up posters and take away the robot villaness, and rodeo idea, this would have been a great colossal fun Bond film. Dalton would have gotten his Bond epic, and it would have placed Bond in the 90s. I read that there was also supposed to have been a gadget laden car chase on the Hoover dam and a truck chase in Las Vegas (sorry but after having just watched Jason Bourne, the thought came back to me) Both Zeta Jones and Liu are missed opportunities and it would have been great to see these two as Bond’s leading ladies. As for the song… who would have sung a Bond song back then? Celine Dion, Madonna?! Bananarama, or how about Shakespeare’s Sister🤣
If License to Kill was Daltons 'Man with the Golden Gun' (no disrespect to other people who love those movies) then this 3rd movie would have been his Spy who loved me, especially if it got released for 1992 for the 30th ANNIVERSARY :) Maggie Cheung I like to think would have been a great Bond girl and for me i'd go for Sinead Oconnor for the films title song :) My humble thank Mr DutchBondFan for doing this video and I look forward to watching more video on Bond from your point of veiw :) Cheers
I recall watching an interview with Dalton on the set of the movie, The King’s Whore where he was asked if he would do another Bond. IIRC, he said “If all things being equal, hell yes. I would like to do a Bond film that is the best Bond film of all. But it’s too early to tell.” He was game back then but too much time passed and MGM did not like the weak box office of License To Kill in the U.S. That movie was released in the summer of 89’ which had Batman, Indiana Jones 3, Lethal Weapon 2 which were all smash hits. Ghostbusters 2 and Karate Kid 3 also suffered with poor results that summer.
I wish because he has always been underrated in Bond .He's a great Actor and I liked his style as he has respect for women in the Movies,a humble guy more than the others.Even if my favourite has always been Moore,I like them both. Brosnan was also good. Connery is is the classic and Daniel is the actual generation. I don't remember Lazenby in Bond but I saw him in an american 80s Tv Show'Cover Up' Jennifer O'Neill,Jon Erik Hexum(1957-1984) and Antony Hamilton(1952-1995)
Bond was just at a crossroad. Considering 1989 was a year for major action movies and sequels. Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Back to the Future 2, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Bond went down in the pecking order but Dalton was not to blame.
10:30 Unfortunately these casting choices don't really add up for a 1991/92 film. Catherine Zeta-Jones only got her TV break in 1991 in 'Darling buds of may' [in a very un-bond style 'girl next door'] and didn't crack Hollywood until Mask of Zorro in 1998 [with entrapment a year later]. Lucy Liu only made her film debut in 1992 and did minor roles [including in 1996's Jerry McGuire] until Ally McBeal in 1998 launched her to fame. Similarly, Liz Hurley [who someone mentioned] was still doing minor roles in things like Passenger 57 in 1992 so I doubt any of these actresses would have been on EON's radar for a 3rd Dalton film though Hurley was asked to host a Bond tribute show to tie in with Goldeneye so maybe she was considered for Goldeneye at one stage [though she wouldn't fit as Natalya]. Maybe someone like Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio [Scarface, Abyss, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves] or Maria Conchita Alonso ['The Running Man, Predator 2] would be more realistic fit.
From what I recall that Pierce Bronsnan was suppose replace Rodger Moore but couldn't get out of his contract in the TV show "Remington Steele" and that as a result Timothy Dalton got the part. "Remington Steele" was canceled shortly after the casting of James Bond so Pierce Bronsnan never got the part which disappointed me as he would have been a better James Bond.
Ussr didn’t end til end of 91. I’m assuming this would have been a summer 91 release . Just play 007 the duel on sega genesis for your third Dalton bond fix lol
It's Brosan's best Bond-let him keep it! Seriously, it was a perfect relaunch for Bond and Brosnan was great in it [helped by Dalton leaving after only the first draft was filmed so it could be tailored for him].
Apparently Dalton was contracted to do three films, with the option of a fourth. So while there was potential for a 4th Dalton Bond film, there was no guarantee that he himself would be willing to do it. In fact, he apparently didn't want to do GoldenEye because if he did, he would've had to do more Bond films. It's possible that like Connery, he probably just didn't want to be typecast. Either that, or Dalton was probably just that reserved, that he was only willing to do what was required, but not go beyond that. I kinda get that sentiment honestly, if that was actually the case. 🤔
Vancouver as a location -- cool! As a Canadian I find it really inexplicable that the Bond series has never filmed here, despite our country being the largest in the Commonwealth...yet they've set films in the U.S. any number of times. Sigh.
I think this is so much better than your OHMSS "what if" video. I'd really love to see an alternative For Your Eyes Only, circa 1978, before it was changed for Moonraker. I'd like to know how Jaws would've featured in FYEO instead of MR. I don't know whether you can get your hands on an early 78 treatment of the movie before the changes happened to it? Another "what if" would be Connery's Casino Royale which almost happened in 67. There's even a script by American screenwriter Ben Hecht. His treatments were almost entirely "straight" adaptations, far closer to the original source novel than the spoof which the final production became.
I have read this book and own it and I’m using some of the elements from these scripts in my own version of No Time To Die and I love this video and Anthony Hopkins was originaly going to play the man who trained James Bond then turn into a villain in my version of No Time To Die I bring back Pierce Brosnan as the man who trained 007
@@marcusscott9729 I'm on the fence about that. As Spectre showed, just because Andrew Scott and Christophe Waltz were great villains elsewhere, they weren't given the writing to make them good Bond villains. And Hopkins has done uninspired stock bad guys in films [like Red 2]. If the writing was there so they just didn't write 'Haniball as a Bond Villain it would have had a better chance [I can't really see him being much better than Jonathan Pryce as Carver personally but we'll never know].
Interesting premise, thanks! What possibly contributed to the poor response to license to kill in the UK was when it came out on video. Terrible plain sleeve (Dalton alone with a drab one shade red background) and the abysmal cuts, especially at the end, where it just became a confusing mess.
The 6 year gap would still have happened regardless of who was Bond as it was legal issues about the TV rights. Bond 16 probably would have been quite different from LTK as that was very much tailored to Dalton but maybe we'd have only got two Pierce films and someone else as Bond in 95 if they wanted a re-launch after [at the time] a long gap.
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I would honestly have loved to see Dalton return for a third film, as He is My Favorite Bond, and License to Kill is my Favorite Bond Movie
Me, too!
Aside from the weak villain, Living Daylights is one of my favorite Bond movies. Dalton was good!
He was definitely the most faithful Bond to the books and my favourite actor to play the role.
LTK is one of my favorites too.
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Dalton is by far my favorite. Closest portrayal to the literary character and a real ruthless edge. A real shame he couldn't do more.
As a rookie Bond fan, I quickly loved Timothy Dalton's James Bond. He read the books and made 007 a complex character; not only was he the cold and hardened agent we know and love, but his Bond was not without feelings, wanting to stay away from his job, but exacting revenge on those who hurt the peoole he cared about.
This is said quite a lot, but he doesn't have the, ahem, old fashioned views that Fleming's Bond has.
More Dalton Bond could never be a bad thing to me
It's all about opinions, more Dalton for me would have been terrible, couldn't stand his potrayal of Bond.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj Me too, even though I like him in other things.... having said that, I watched the Living Daylights again recently and enjoyed it up until the stupid Afghan bit. The Afghan bit and Licence to Kill both got into 80s drug film territory except without the cool parts of Live and Let Die.
@@thursoberwick1948 Even know Dalton is not my favorite bond, I wish he got another bond film before goldeneye
@@fizz1580 It's a shame he didn't, but other factors came along. The end of the Cold War for one.
I absolutely love both Dalton's portrayal of the character and the Asian settings in You Only Live Twice and Man with the Golden Gun. Having a Dalton film with Asian locations would have been really cool. A shame it didn't happen.
Agreed about the East Asian settings, they really work for me. Not so keen on Dalton as Bond, but like him in other roles.
Honestly, a huge shame Dalton never got his third film. Pretty much robbed due to copyright dispute and poor marketing. He could have really gotten one hell of a send off in the role, he does make a quick cameo in Last Action Hero as Bond tho so there’s a silver lining.
He was definitely robbed of a third movie but of all the Bonds he ended his tenure with a pretty decent movie. Not counting On Her Majesty's Secret Service, if you think about all the previous and successive Bond actors' final movies, Diamonds Are Forever, A View To A Kill, Die Another Day, and No Time To Day, License To Kill is better than all of them. The only expectation could be NTTD but we'll have to wait and see how the years treat that movie. Though Daniel Craig unequivocally ended his Bond career on the best note since he chose to leave on a successful note and he had a lot of praise for his time as Bond.
@@spencerkindra8822 no time to woke sucked mate
@@spencerkindra8822 The final films in the previous Bond actors is the 6th in Diamonds Are Forever, 7th in A View to a Kill, 4th in Die Another Day and 5th in No Time To Die. I believe Dalton should have play in ''A View To a Κill'' and in a 4th film in 1992 in celebration 30 years of Bond films.
You are correct
@@user-xp2gm8im2c that would’ve been awesome and actor literally looks like a character in the books really for the 30th celebration boy did they messed up big time
Missed opportunity that we never got Alan Rickman as a Bond villain. Especially since the original Die Hard had three actors that has been in Dalton Bond films.
Go on who was the third one? I can only think of necros and Sanchez 🤔
@@Mark-lj1dj The other CIA agent that was with Robert Davi. He was one of the DEA agents in License to Kill.
@@heavygamer93 oh yeah 😂 so he was
@@Mark-lj1dj The other 'agent Johnston' [Grand L. Bush] from Die Hard is with Felix before the raid on Sanchez at the start of LTK as an in joke to Sanchez's actor.
Hans Gruber was accurately described as 'the best Bond villain who never actually appeared in a Bond film'!
It's so depressing that Dalton never got a third Bond film, it would've been the best film trilogy of all time
Some of this feels very weird to have been written for Dalton. The bits about Bond aging would have fit perfectly with his portrayal but there were far too many quips, which were never Dalton's strength.
I love The Living Daylights. It had a gag here and there, but I love how it stayed very grounded. The first act - especially the defection scene - is fantastic.
After Connery, Dalton was my favorite Bond. The scripts for his films weren't great but he had the character down just the way I wanted him to be. Imagine if he had acted in the Casino Royale script!
I would love to see Timothy Dalton in a 3rd Bond but this light-hearted plot leaves me cold . Personally, id like to see a more romantic/dramatic movie where Dalton has to find a top group of assassins ( call them Chameleon or something or it's a device that turns anyone into an assassin ) and that would have played to Dalton's strengths.
The Reunion with Death fourth film would have appealed to you. Romance and tragedy.
Dalton was too serious. Darker side of James Bond. Moore is more funny.
I don't know man, so many key people had left: Cubby Brocolli, John Barry, Maurice Binder, Richard Maibaum, etc. A lot of the movers and shakers behind the scenes that helped make Bond work. Maybe taking off 6 years was the best thing for Bond. I mean, I really like all the Bonds, especially Dalton and Brosnan, and I'm glad we got Goldeneye out of it all. I think Licence to Kill is a wonderful send off for the "Cold War Era" Bond.
Interesting point you have there
The end of the Cold War was a major factor, but I really think GoldenEye and Casino Royale are the only two really decent Bond films since Dalton.
Agreed. I also think Goldeneye not happening until 1995 allowed the Cold War/USSR collapse to settle meaning it could tackle the Post Cold war era [especially in Russia] very well rather than trying to react to an every changing situation.
I loved Dalton as 007. I wished that he'd had a couple more movies under his belt. Pity.
Dalton is by far the most underrated bond. All film series have missed opportunities here and there but bond is the most frustrating. Craig did five movies spanning 17 years (That’s the equivalent of time between Dr. No and moonraker- 11 films)!
Now that Craig is finished, I hope the series goes strong, considering Tom cruise’s mission impossible series is wrapping up as well 😞. Henry Cavill is my pick for the next go around.
Catherine Zeta Jones as a Bond Girl. What a missed opportunity. I like the Dalton movies, but somehow never really warmed up to Dalton. I think it may have been due to growing up with Roger Moore as James Bond. Did I see some clips in that video from The Man From Uncle. Ironically, I really enjoy that movie and am probably one of the few people that doesn't think Henry Cavill is too old to take on the role
I agree! Would love to see it!
Catherine Zeta Jones did do a movie with Sean Connery, that's close enough to being a Bond girl
@@DutchBondFan Do you think Cavill could do a darker Bond given MI Fallout?
@@jamesatkinsonja absolutely!
Yep get Cavil in there
What is fascinating about Dalton was that he was approached to play Bond in 1969.
Well he was asked if he wanted to audition and said no in 1969. Moore was approached [probably more seriously] but wasn't free for 1969 or 1971, Brosnan was on Eon's horizon from 1981 [when he visited the set of FYEO] and Craig was first spotted by Eon in 1998's Elizabeth. They usually have there eyes a future Bond a long time before they cast them.
Your rendition of the song was awesome😂
The Living Daylights was a damn good Bond film. Moonraker is still my overall favourite though.
I'm glad this movie never panned out. A Cyborg villain, a sci-fi vehicle, Bond questioning his age, Bond as a cowboy, and camp. Oh, I HATE camp. No thank you to this and I'm glad this film never happened.
There were two very different versions of Bond 17. One was an action comedy but the other one was a stylish techno-thriller. Very serious.
Also, the cyborg part wasn't the focus. Just a tangent to create a little mystery. Think Baron Samedi's return at the end of Live and Let Die, after he's been killed.
I'm sure terminator 3 influenced your opinion.
But it would've been interesting how the story would've panned out. I want to watch Tim Dalton 3rd
@@randomhuman97 The other thing is that they were intentionally vague about the cyborg bit and if she was just "enhanced".
It sounds like a dumpster fire shit show
Liked at Jeroen Turner's song.
At 4:23 I like the backlog from a script but sadly Timothy decided to quit to play Bond. But when I read it in this video. It was a great way for them to produce Goldeneye when the writers decided to use the lines from the movie at a time when Pierce Brosnan land the role of Bond in 1995
A third Dalton film would've been great! I think it would've been cool if Bond had to prove himself to the service after the events of Licence to Kill.
I do wonder if in the final film if they'd ending up making it he'd just be back with no explanation as Bond didn't really do heavy continuity back then and previous scripted continuity nods got cut for this reason [like Bond talking to Quarrel Jr. about his dad in Live and Let Die].
@@jamesatkinsonja That is very true. They would probably do that or just not mention it at all.
@@ethanbentley1837 actually, they do.
In diamonds are forever, they ask bond how was his vacation, which meant he took a leave of absence after on her majestys.
Dr no was mentioned in Russia with love.
@@randomhuman97 I took the Diamonds bit as an in joke to Connery not being in the previous Bond film personally along with the 'MI6 functions in your absence' line but credit to you for not saying it proved the code name theory!
Dr No is mentioned in FRWL twice [Silvia Trench returns and mentions it was 6 months ago, Spectre want revenge] but only briefly and given that was follow up to the first film it made sense that wasn't something they maintained afterwards-even though Spectre/Blofeld return they don't mention past films in the Connery-Lazenby era. The only real overt continuity was Bond's marriage [especially in FYEO].
@@jamesatkinsonja the code name theory is complete and utter garbage.
It only exists because of a few points of doubt in the "James bond is a character" fact.
The only evidence FOR the codename theory is DISPROVING that James bond is a character and no other evidence, on which the theory can stand on its own merit.
There’s an interview with Dalton from a few years ago where Cubby wanted him to do 4-5 more films but Dalton was only willing to do 1 more so he respectfully declined.
They wanted him since he was 23 years old.
I know they considered him but was he ever in serious contention to be in OHMSS? Because he himself said he was too young for the role back then.
@@spencerkindra8822 I think the truth is he was on a short list and they asked him if he wanted to audition/be considered but he said no to that so it didn't go any further rather than him just being offered Bond [when all have to go through the auditions, even when it's pretty nailed on like Craig]. I think that's what actually occurs for 99% of the 'offered Bond' [or other parts] stories rather than the part being offered to what seems like 5 or 6 people each time [especially if you look at the 'considered for Bond' list on wiki and other sites].
I don't think "they wanted him", but supposedly he auditioned at that age. And Brosnan supposedly almost played Bond in Octopussy. As much as I love Lazenby and Moore, I think it would've been cool to actually have one actor portray the character for 20 years or more.
@@jamesatkinsonja Sounds about right.
@@jakobholgersson4400 I doubt Dalton would've played Bond for 20 years. He most likely would've done four or five movies before calling it quits. He wouldn't have wanted to limit himself to Bond for that long even though he obviously could've done other movies in between.
I remember being excited for Timothy Dalton starring as Bond...Sean, George, and Roger...these were my Dad's Bonds. Dalton was my Bond and he wasn't give a chance by the American audience. I wish he did at least three more films.
'Property of a Lady' to the tune of Goldeneye 🤣🤣🤣
Hilarious Jeroen!
Really great editing to piece together a rough idea of these drafts! I would have loved another Dalton. CZJ would have been a great Bond girl.
Timothy Dalton was a GREAT Bond, very close to the novels!
I lost it with your rendition of Tina Turner's "Property of a Lady" too funny
It would have been bloody good, that’s what.
Loved Dalton as Bond, from the brooding intensity, to the world weariness, to the love of the cigarettes!
Right, they were trying to be true to the spirit of Fleming.
Agree with you 100% and never knew about the 2 proposed Dalton follow ups. Always loved Dalton as Bond and really wished he’d stayed to do one last one. But can understand after such a long wait why the desire to do another had faded.
I prefer Daylights, with Licence being my #2, but it's always a good thing to hear other fans speak up about their support of the Dalton era. I really need to pick this book up, I can hear Dalton's voice in my head with some of those lines, especially; "Good morning, sir. The good news is, I have found the plane."
I think the problem with Licence to Kill is it was more a mix of Die Hard/Lethal Weapon/Miami Vice. As Bond was having to compete with these new action movies which had overtaken Bond. It's definitely a shame that Dalton didn't get his final movie because he was a very good Bond.
"the living daylights" opening scene was so good ! oohh and not forgetting A-ha song ..
Roger was always my favourite Bond but Timothy’s Bond title songs were close to the best yes it would be good to have a
3rd around!
Loved Dalton, gutted after he made no more after Licence to Kill! One of my favourite Bond's for sure!
Timothy Dalton was my favorite bond!!! He played Bond as he was portrayed in the books, not a parody! Dalton was the best actor also. They were all sexy, but Dalton took the gold!❤
It would be kind of funny if Dalton’s bond went into Connery‘s movies and took his bond girls away from him
Fascinating isn't it? What does get made and what doesn't. It's true for many movies, what does get made and what never sees the light of day. The best movies to never be made and so forth. Dalton played the character very well, serious, but with heart and vulnerable. I have the original books. Shame Dalton never got the chance to do a third.
It's really fascinating. It's defenitely a major 'what if' and fascinating to speculate what this would have been like! - Good to hear you are reading the books too! You may like what is coming up on saturday the 14th then! (Delving into the world of literary Bond!)
I believe Dalton should have play in ''A View to a Κill'' and in a 4th film in 1992 in celebration 30 years of Bond films.
I love Dalton and was thrilled to see him in The Living Daylights after Moore's horrendous A View to a Kill. But given how poorly Dalton's Licence to Kill performed at the box-office and given how MGM president was no fan of Dalton and was really pressing for Brosnan even back then, I'm not sure a third or especially a fourth Dalton film ever woulda been made even if MGM had not been going through its financial setbacks and legal issues. And not unusual that potential scripts were being written, just as there was for a potential Jinx spin-off movie
I do wonder if the whole 'asking Dalton to do multiple films when he only wanted to do one' offer which caused him to walk away was really MGM's tactic to remove him? It's a bit like when people mention that contract Lazenby was offered when I do wonder if UA would just have paid him off if he'd signed it as they did with John Gavin as they were hell bent on getting Sean back.
I thought Dalton was a good Bond, too. He was the right person for the time.
@@jeffduncan9140 He would have been helped if his first film was a little later than 1987. Such a different style coming so soon after Moore's long stint was always going to be a harder sell than if Bond was coming back after a break [which is what occurred with Brosnan and Craig].
One of the things I liked was the contrast between Timothy Dalton and Roger Moore. Roger Moore will always be "my" Bond but he was a Bond for his time, and times change.
I always remember "THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS" was the only Bond film I saw in theatres 4 TIMES. The 4th time, I went with my brother, who, after, said, "Until this, George Lazenby had been my favorite Bond." I know how he feels. When I read all of Fleming's books in the 70s, I could somehow never picture Connery as I was reading. When John Gardner began writing his novels, I could imagine Roger Moore... but only because of the much better-than-usual job he did in "FOR YOUR EYES ONLY". From the moment "TLD" came out, the only actor I could picture was Timothy Dalton. And the funny thing is, to me, he "feels" like Bond... but he doesn't really "look" like Bond. (This is the exact opposite of Moore.)
So many people talk about what a cold, hard, humorless womanizer he was in the books... and the weird thing is, somehow, I NEVER got that feeling when reading Fleming! But it does sound to me like an exact description of Connery. (Go figure.)
I had NEVER heard about any of the stuff you discussed in this video, so it was very interesting. Truthfully, what I wouldn't mind, would be a "what if" video about if Dalton had done "FOR YOUR EYES ONLY". I feel certain the next 2 films after it, even if they used the same stories, would have been done a LOT better, without the silliness that KEPT creeping back in.
The other week, I ran across something unexpected. I was watching a Hammer film I'd never seen before, "THE KISS OF THE VAMPIRE". In one of the audio commentaries, actor Edward DeSouza jokes about wanting to be James Bond, even though he says he KNOWS he's not right for it. The moment he said that, I started thinking about it, and, funny enough, I suddenly COULD picture him in the role... IF they'd been doing the books as written.
Then again, some years ago, while watching the 80s TV series "Agatha Christie's PARTNERS IN CRME", I found myself thinking James Warwick ("Tommy Beresford") was even more my idea of the Bond from the novels.
After decades of loving the movies, it's strange, but these days, I find I like the books WAY more.
By the way, Bond getting older was a big part of the first act of "Thunderball". Which is probably why they used it in the fil "NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN".
Finally... Fleming's very offbeat novel, "The Spy Who Loved Me" (the one he had put into the contracts should NEVER be adapted!!) takes place in Canada. If you track down the newspaper comic-strip version from the 60s, it was "expanded" very nicely to become a "proper" Bond story.
I also love TLD. One of the great Bond. In my book, I also write about the Spanish -language Bond comics. There are a ton or adapted and original works, including a version. Of The Spy Who Loved Me.
Joe Don Baker playin with his toys always cracks me up. He's a loveable villain for sure.
I agree, James Warwick would have made an excellent 007.
Basically, this is Timothy Dalton's version of Die Another Day?
Count me among the Dalton fans. It's truly a shame he didn't get the over-the-top third film. While I love both of his films, they are admittedly low key plots. It's like Moore's first two films, both low-key. But then, Moore of course got Spy with its much bigger stakes. Dalton needed that in order to cement his take on the role. It's a shame he didn't get his Spy Who Loved Me. I read the Edlitz book. Loved it.
I really appreciate the kind words!
Very interesting ideas better than present Bond movies
Thx for this video 🤩 Dalton, my absolute favourite 💪
I don't believe Dalton quit I think he was pushed out of the series because they wanted brosnan because if you look at some of the movies he was doing at the time in between his last Bond film and GoldenEye it's hard to believe he would say no 🎥
According to Dalton he was only willing to do one more Bond as he felt he was getting to0 old [he's 7 years older than Brosnan and would have been 49 in 1995] but I think your on to something--they knew he didn't want to do several films and offered him that which was a good way of making it a 'mutual' decision rather than a 'firing'. I think they were very keen for a 'fresh start'.
It reminded me of how they were contractually 'obliged to offer Frank Sinatra the lead in Die Hard [as it was based on a book who's prequel became the Sinatra film 'The Detective'] so offered him a very low salary so he'd say no and they could look for someone else.
@@jamesatkinsonja very interesting
So interesting to see so many scenes and concepts from this planned films be actually used in later ones!
Excellent video DutchBondFan! I genuinely didn’t know a lot of the details of the unmade third Dalton Bond film.I’m surprised they actually got as far as they did with scripting and casting and as you say,the producers were really ahead of the curve back then compared to todays stop/start schedule!
Yes, very close. They were working on Dalton's third and fourth!
Back then, bond was a trend setter and you could easily churn out movies in 2 years.
Now, with so much competition and Austin powers corrupting minds on old bond, especially in the US, every bond movie needed more time to make it memorable.
@@randomhuman97 Bond has always followed trends, especially during the Moore era [noticeably Moonraker with Star Wars] but the Bond formula was versatile enough it could be quickly adapted. As you say, Austin Powers pretty much killed the more campy elements of the formula as shown by Die Another Day and possibly home media made people more aware of the formula so they can't use it anymore, even if some fans hope it will return.
@@jamesatkinsonja true that. Ohmss was the last trendsetting bond movie plot wise at least.
After that, everything was inspired from the trends of the times (dirty Harry style poster and plot in diamonds are forever, blaxploitation in LALD, martial arts in golden gun, star wars in moonraker, Indiana Jones inspired chase in octopussy, silicon Valley business booming in 1985, afghans in TLD, Miami vice in LTK, Jack Ryan style of storytelling where the hero figures out the true motivations of the villain earlier than others in Brosnan movies and jason bourne and marvel style cinematic arc in Craig bond movies) . If you see, only spy who loved me, FYEO, casino,skyfall, and maybe die another day's story was the truly trendsetting bond films .
Die another day was totally ruined by the director 😪 . . . He shouldn't be directing films.
I can appreciate Daltons take on Bond, trying to bring it back to what thought the books were about. For me he was just a little too serious and lacking in true humour after Roger Moore, whereas Brosnan kind of sat between the two of them from what I recall. Maybe a third film for Dalton would have seen him reflect on the first time and find a better balance in his performance.
Great video and all of the stuff with a 3rd Dalton movie is very interesting
Great video! It's insane how many ideas from that script they used in the later Bond movies. TND and DAD owe a lot to it and I can't believe they were still using some of it's set pieces all the way up to Spectre. Shows just how much the producers would squeeze everything they could out of all Bond IP whether it be the original Fleming novels, a few continuation novels, and unused scripts. That was definitely one of the positives of them not fully adapting the Fleming books; they could use ideas in the later movies. I mean the book You Only Live Twice came out in 1964, the movie came out in 1967, and fifty four years later No Time To Die had the Garden Of Death in it. It'll be interesting what ideas Broccoli and Wilson use for the next movie.
Speaking of that which scenes from the novels that haven't been used yet do you think should be in the next movie?
Your singing is pure gold lol
The Spy Who Loved Me and Skyfall are Roger Moore and Daniel Craig's most successful Bond films
I wasn't a fan of Dalton that much at the time but I enjoyed the movies; recently I've come to appreciate him a lot more in the role and I think a third and fourth outing would have been great. What you've outlined here sounds epic! I agree with you on the robotics and to be honest it sounds as though they had too much for one film (and that stuff looked silly even in the 00s with Die another day) but all the other stuff sounds like a kickass Bond film to me.
I loved Goldeneye but thought the other Brosnan movies always lacked something; maybe it would have panned out better with Dalton in the role for a few more throws of the dice before Brosnan took over.
Great job! One of your best videos.
The best Bond by far.
Man, oh, man do I agree with you. Licence to Kill is my favorite one, too, but you have to realize I'm not a Bond purist or 007 nut, just an overall general fan of all cinema, world cinema, commercial cinema, indie cinema, you name it, and I think Licence to Kill is an excellent film by any standard. I liked that it had Bond in a more down to Earth setting with a villain based on the kind that actually exist. Obviously, no one will ever supersede Connery in his first several Bond movies, but Dalton is the one I enjoy watching the most.
Seems like they recycled quite a few of these ideas for die another day 🤔 I would love to have seen what they came up with though for dalton 3 and 4.
If you're curious, my book The Lost Adventures of James Bond has a ton more info.
Mark Edlitz's book is so damn good.
Most underrated Bond. He understood the character Fleming created. Bond isn't a comic book superhero, or a comedian.
I was sad when they didn't mention the end of the cold war or anything historical too because in my opinion that's the best part of any bond film to me
This was written in 1990/91 and the situation was rapidly changing [with the soviet union collapsing by the end of 1991] so anything topical would have dated very quickly and they were wise to avoid it. By 1995 Yelsin's Russia was well established and a good subject for Goldeneye to tackle.
The way you sang the title song was hilarious. Very interesting to hear about a bond movie that wasn’t made. As usual, really enjoyed this video. I hope you can do a ranking of all the Bond movies. Curious to know how you rank these movies!!!
Can't wait to rank the movies either! It's a reward for reaching my second goal on Patreon! (It's at 73% right now) Every new supporter accounts to get that number up and get closer to that goal!
This would cement Dalton as my fav Bond if it was made
Great you did a video on this. I've noticed a lot of comments on Bond community videos saying 'Dalton should have done a 3rd film' but I get the feeling they thought it would basically be a kind of 'Licence to Kill part 2' rather than what it actually would have been. Though it would annoy the fans of LTK, the lighter approach does feel like 'course correction' due to the slack performance of LTK at the box office, especially in America [similar to how Skyfall was a bit lighter and brought back Q+Moneypenny after Quantum] and possibly explains the generally lighter approach when Brosnan arrived.
Another consequence of LTK who's box office definitely suffered from being part on the packed 1989 Summer was that Bond's release was moved to autumn and has stayed there ever since.
Right! When I interviewed the writers of both versions, I was very interested in the tone of their scripts.
4:55
I love the idea Bond might have fought robots that looked like R2D2. That would have been hilarious to see. 😂
I agree to the tittle “Property Of The Lady”. And make it as continuation of License to Kill. Bond reinstate his 007 number. Felix Liter still working for CIA as a head advisor, seeing him on the wheelchair. Or walking with cain support by prosthetic legs. Of course no robotic stuff like day. Just kind of closer to reality.
Sadly we'll never get a new Dalton 007 movie, but we're still in time to get DutchBondFan with his Tina Turner impression as the singer for Bond 26. Make it real, EON!
Great video as expected, I liked the first draft written by Wilson and Ruggerio the most, it was almost perfect. It had the intrigue of The Living Daylights but with a high tech flair.
The self aware direction with bond is too old wouldn’t have worked for Dalton it would’ve been too jarring even for him.
I think had they ironed out some of the excessive stuff like Rodin’s fighter jet supercar and just having it be a motorcycle with a high tech targeting and weapons system that would’ve been more acceptable. Also the henchwoman Nan being a robot seemed a little too much on the Terminator side of things, maybe she could’ve had two bionic arms much like in the way Tee Hee had a mechanical claw and arm in live and let die or like Dr. No and his metal hands but that’s about it.
The Aston Martin Virage 1990-1992 wasn’t the prettiest of the Aston Martin’s but it was better than having a BMW which doesn’t scream bond at all.
I think had those things been corrected, we could’ve had a tight espionage thriller with a hint of sci-fi. I also really like what Dalton’s 4th could’ve been, it sounded like a fitting closure for Dalton’s bond. Very sombre.
I also love the first version of his third film. I'm glad that you recognized that some of these ideas could be modulated to find the perfect ratio of what works.
Mr Dalton the best of all 😘loved his charisma and savage persona.💗
My all time favourite ..Bond....Thimothy Dalton
This is the same way how I feel about how Craig should have gotten another film between Quantum and Skyfall. A third Timothy Dalton movie would have explored more of his Bond and we would have gotten to see more adventures.
A Clapton theme song for his 3rd movie would’ve been perfect.
Great video and details to the planned storyline for Dalton's third film. I am a huge fan of Dalton as Bond. Would be very much interested in a similar video about the planned fourth film's storyline with Dalton as well.
Tim Dalton was always my favorite Bond...
Your video is great because with the narrative and the clips I can totally visualize this version of Dalton’s third film. With all of that said, I think Goldeneye with a few minor changes would have been the perfect final outing for Dalton. He enters with a psychological analysis following his rogue status in LTK. Alec Trevelyan is the antithesis of Felix Leiter. The film combines elements of TLD and LTK: Russian intrigue and friendship tested.
Five actors who could have worked well with Bond are Anthony Hopkins, Elizabeth Hurley, Catherine Zeta Jones, Lucy Liu, and Jennifer Connelly.
I have to disagree. Goldeneye was the perfect first outing for Brosnan and works very well as a 'first outing' given the post-cold war element. Back then they didn't really reference past films so I doubt LTK followup would be in it [and by the time GE came out that was a while back by 90's film standards]. Dalton did see a first draft but it was very much tailored to Brosnan.
I wonder if Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio or Maria Conchita Alonso would have been considered for a 1991/92 film?
Great video, love the mash up posters and take away the robot villaness, and rodeo idea, this would have been a great colossal fun Bond film. Dalton would have gotten his Bond epic, and it would have placed Bond in the 90s. I read that there was also supposed to have been a gadget laden car chase on the Hoover dam and a truck chase in Las Vegas (sorry but after having just watched Jason Bourne, the thought came back to me) Both Zeta Jones and Liu are missed opportunities and it would have been great to see these two as Bond’s leading ladies. As for the song… who would have sung a Bond song back then? Celine Dion, Madonna?! Bananarama, or how about Shakespeare’s Sister🤣
If License to Kill was Daltons 'Man with the Golden Gun' (no disrespect to other people who love those movies) then this 3rd movie would have been his Spy who loved me, especially if it got released for 1992 for the 30th ANNIVERSARY :)
Maggie Cheung I like to think would have been a great Bond girl and for me i'd go for Sinead Oconnor for the films title song :)
My humble thank Mr DutchBondFan for doing this video and I look forward to watching more video on Bond from your point of veiw :) Cheers
I recall watching an interview with Dalton on the set of the movie, The King’s Whore where he was asked if he would do another Bond. IIRC, he said
“If all things being equal, hell yes. I would like to do a Bond film that is the best Bond film of all. But it’s too early to tell.”
He was game back then but too much time passed and MGM did not like the weak box office of License To Kill in the U.S. That movie was released in the summer of 89’ which had Batman, Indiana Jones 3, Lethal Weapon 2 which were all smash hits. Ghostbusters 2 and Karate Kid 3 also suffered with poor results that summer.
I wish because he has always been underrated in Bond .He's a great Actor and I liked his style as he has respect for women in the Movies,a humble guy more than the others.Even if my favourite has always been Moore,I like them both.
Brosnan was also good.
Connery is is the classic and Daniel is the actual generation.
I don't remember Lazenby in Bond but I saw him in an american 80s Tv Show'Cover Up' Jennifer O'Neill,Jon Erik Hexum(1957-1984) and Antony Hamilton(1952-1995)
Catherine Zeta-Jones as a cat-burglar Bond girl would totally work. She would have rocked that role.
Great video, great singing! 🤣
Bond was just at a crossroad. Considering 1989 was a year for major action movies and sequels. Batman, Lethal Weapon 2, Back to the Future 2, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Bond went down in the pecking order but Dalton was not to blame.
10:30 Unfortunately these casting choices don't really add up for a 1991/92 film.
Catherine Zeta-Jones only got her TV break in 1991 in 'Darling buds of may' [in a very un-bond style 'girl next door'] and didn't crack Hollywood until Mask of Zorro in 1998 [with entrapment a year later].
Lucy Liu only made her film debut in 1992 and did minor roles [including in 1996's Jerry McGuire] until Ally McBeal in 1998 launched her to fame.
Similarly, Liz Hurley [who someone mentioned] was still doing minor roles in things like Passenger 57 in 1992 so I doubt any of these actresses would have been on EON's radar for a 3rd Dalton film though Hurley was asked to host a Bond tribute show to tie in with Goldeneye so maybe she was considered for Goldeneye at one stage [though she wouldn't fit as Natalya].
Maybe someone like Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio [Scarface, Abyss, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves] or Maria Conchita Alonso ['The Running Man, Predator 2] would be more realistic fit.
From what I recall that Pierce Bronsnan was suppose replace Rodger Moore but couldn't get out of his contract in the TV show "Remington Steele" and that as a result Timothy Dalton got the part. "Remington Steele" was canceled shortly after the casting of James Bond so Pierce Bronsnan never got the part which disappointed me as he would have been a better James Bond.
Ussr didn’t end til end of 91. I’m assuming this would have been a summer 91 release . Just play 007 the duel on sega genesis for your third Dalton bond fix lol
Timothy should have done “Golden Eye” 👍🏻
It's Brosan's best Bond-let him keep it! Seriously, it was a perfect relaunch for Bond and Brosnan was great in it [helped by Dalton leaving after only the first draft was filmed so it could be tailored for him].
I only watched LTK about a year ago, and I loved it
Apparently Dalton was contracted to do three films, with the option of a fourth. So while there was potential for a 4th Dalton Bond film, there was no guarantee that he himself would be willing to do it. In fact, he apparently didn't want to do GoldenEye because if he did, he would've had to do more Bond films. It's possible that like Connery, he probably just didn't want to be typecast. Either that, or Dalton was probably just that reserved, that he was only willing to do what was required, but not go beyond that. I kinda get that sentiment honestly, if that was actually the case. 🤔
After that performance, I have a feeling you're going to get a call from EON about doing the next Bond theme song.
Not gonna lie the 4th dalton film that is talked about in the book should have definitely been made.
It sounded incredible!
Yes, the fourth one would have been great. My book Lost Adventures of James Bond has a lot more info, if you're interested.
@@thelostadventuresofjamesbo5182 I’ve recently acquired a copy! It’s an awesome read!
@@Legitcar117 That's so nice of you to say!!!
Cubby Broccoli was right. Also look at Roger Moore and Daniel Craig! It took them three movies to be accepted as James Bond
I just found your channel this year and I LOVE your videos! Another great one here with my favorite Bond who never got the chance to shine.
I can imagine this as last movie for new Bond actor. Catherine Zeta Jones could be good Bond girl, but 007 fighting with cyborg is insane.
Dalton is my favourite Bond
Vancouver as a location -- cool! As a Canadian I find it really inexplicable that the Bond series has never filmed here, despite our country being the largest in the Commonwealth...yet they've set films in the U.S. any number of times. Sigh.
I think this is so much better than your OHMSS "what if" video. I'd really love to see an alternative For Your Eyes Only, circa 1978, before it was changed for Moonraker. I'd like to know how Jaws would've featured in FYEO instead of MR. I don't know whether you can get your hands on an early 78 treatment of the movie before the changes happened to it?
Another "what if" would be Connery's Casino Royale which almost happened in 67. There's even a script by American screenwriter Ben Hecht. His treatments were almost entirely "straight" adaptations, far closer to the original source novel than the spoof which the final production became.
You missed the part where his car gets pretty banged up, but 007 patches it up with Bondo.
I have read this book and own it and I’m using some of the elements from these scripts in my own version of No Time To Die and I love this video and Anthony Hopkins was originaly going to play the man who trained James Bond then turn into a villain in my version of No Time To Die I bring back Pierce Brosnan as the man who trained 007
Thanks for checking out the book!
Seeing Anthony Hopkins as the villain would have awesome.
@@marcusscott9729 I'm on the fence about that. As Spectre showed, just because Andrew Scott and Christophe Waltz were great villains elsewhere, they weren't given the writing to make them good Bond villains. And Hopkins has done uninspired stock bad guys in films [like Red 2]. If the writing was there so they just didn't write 'Haniball as a Bond Villain it would have had a better chance [I can't really see him being much better than Jonathan Pryce as Carver personally but we'll never know].
Interesting premise, thanks!
What possibly contributed to the poor response to license to kill in the UK was when it came out on video. Terrible plain sleeve (Dalton alone with a drab one shade red background) and the abysmal cuts, especially at the end, where it just became a confusing mess.
What If...? Pierce Brosnan was in The Living Daylights. How do you think his era would have gone if he got the part in 1987?
The 6 year gap would still have happened regardless of who was Bond as it was legal issues about the TV rights. Bond 16 probably would have been quite different from LTK as that was very much tailored to Dalton but maybe we'd have only got two Pierce films and someone else as Bond in 95 if they wanted a re-launch after [at the time] a long gap.