Modernizing the Marine Rifle Squad
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- The Marine Corps will implement a new squad formation structure in order to meet the demands of future warfighting. The transition to these advanced squad formations will occur in FY 2020.
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Graeme Guerrilla lmao
I'm done lmao
+100% night vision (dual tubes now)
300% increase in firepower. Ya...I think you wanna check your math. Losing belt-fed M249 but adding full auto capacity to those that used to carry M4s does not equate to having 3x the firepower.
They're using m27s
I thought Marines knew how to operate their weapons? The Army still considers it the most casualty producing weapon.
Simeon Boda you can clean a broke piece of shit all you want until it gets fixed by armory it's still broke
Kristopher Hilton exactly
Rithik Datta there was no machine gun to begin with. The M249 was replaced years ago
oh I get it, its like that time they said the F-35 would replace the A-10, or that the Stryker platform would replace the Abrams tanks, or even that other time when they said they'd start giving troops those fancy new Exoskeletons to help distribute weight........
Or or like that time when the canadians sent all their troops(god bless em) to afganistan, in forest green camo, and all their equipment was GREEN! In the desert.. then it took them 5 years to roll out the tan, or or, or anything practical to at least conceal their positions during combat operations...
A 12 men infantry squad without a single beltfed machine gun? *smh*
toshtenstahl they've done away with the m249. The new M27 IAR allows for full automatic fire with either a 30 or 150 round mag and select fire essentially augmenting the role of machine gunner and rifleman whilst dropping the extra weight. M240s will still be implemented although I hear that might be switched out with a mmg which resembles the MG4 and eventually the Ma Deuce with a weapon that is half the weight that fires the same caliber.( A sad day when that weapon is retired though)
Even though I'm a POG I've had the pleasure of firing the .50 and the MMG/LMGs and think the m27 is a fucking great weapon.
Alex Warnke Alex Warnke Eww, the M27 will never serve as a replacement for the 249, the Marine Corps themselves realized this and has since bought more 249s after adopting the M27 to serve as an interim IAR, I’ve always believed that the gun’s adoption was just a mere ploy to adopt an HK416 as the Marine Corps’ new standard issue rifle, and surely enough, it is.
Joshua B right, I misspoke and forgot to mention that they have been testing a 150 rd mag and thus far tests have been successful. But they are also in the process of finding suitable 50/100 rd mags at the moment as well. A fair objection.
ChittinBricks it's far from standard issue. We're still using mostly M4's and the POG units are still using the older M16A4's. It has yet to be fully implemented in the FMF.
Alex Warnke Nah, I meant in the future, the M27 was a retarded idea to begin with as an IAR platform (I thought we learned about the downfall of the BAR), it was obvious that the M27 will replace the baseline legacy M16A4 and M4 as the standard issue rifle of the USMC. The Mahrins keep wanting new shit when they could’ve just RFI’d for an A1+ program like what the Army did for most of the M4s in service or reissue the A4 for grunts if they want to be unique.
The Marine Corps did leave open the possibility that the fourth member of the fireteam could return down the road.
I think that could be when the Army deploys its next generation squad automatic weapon in a few years.
I also believe the Corps still maintains the SAW in the battalion somewhere, maybe Weapons, maybe H&S
but they are still there to be handed out (possibly to a returned Automatic Rifleman) if the Corps has an
"Oh, shit" moment. when a million Chinese are coming down on the 1st MarDiv.
It's not like that never happened before.
'in a few years'
Dude, it's the army!
I was under the impression it was moved to the 31s. They were pushing them out to gun teams when I left.
So no designated teabagger?
This rank structure is the funniest I’ve ever seen in the grunts my best squad leaders were E-3 Lance Corporals. All my Squad Leaders who were E-4 Corporals came from either 8th&I or Security Forces and were horrible grunts and combat leaders. And we’re poster Marines. I’ve never seen an E-5 Squad Leader I’ve seen E-5 Platoon Sgts & E-5 Platoon Guides in a Rifle Platoon and E-5 Section Leaders I My Weapons Platoon with an E-6 or E-7 Platoon Sgt. & all my Team Leaders were PFC’s or LCPL’s as an 0311 & 0341 I was a 4 year LCPL who held a Gun Team billet and Section Leader billet I even had to post as Platoon Sgt on 2 Company formations because all our NCO’s either got out or were MIA lol imagine that LCPL reporting to Company Gunny lol
The Marine Corps plans to man these 12 Marine squads at 100% with the ranks associated with each billet. Initiatives, such as incentives, are in the works to make sure we have more NCO's stay in.
With all respect, this has been an issue in infantry BN's since the 1980's. I never saw a T/O squad until Desert Storm. Then things went back to normal. Then 9/11 hits and we suddenly are filling NCO billets with Marines from barracks duty, etc. It just makes it tough to make a career of it as a grunt.
I was e-5 platoon Sgt of weapons plt. I fucking loved that billet but being a Sgt there is a constant pissing match. You better know your shit. I almost wish I never left.
Marines you might want to start by fixing the broken promotion system, where grunt cutting scores are artificially inflated because of the "available billets" for Cpls and Sgts, yet somehow nearly every grunt unit has Marines in leadership roles a T/O rank or even two higher than their pay grade. How can all the Cpl billets be "full" when the scores come out if so many of those billets are being filled by LCpls?
If you're wanting to retain more (and crucially, BETTER) NCOs, start by reforming the promotion board system and get the senior leadership less concerned with how someone looks in chucks and how fast they can run 3 miles in sneakers and get the emphasis back to center on the "whole Marine concept": combat fit, skilled and competent at his/her MOS, puts into practice the leadership principles and traits. I admit that I EAS'ed in 2015 (after 9 years in), but I doubt three years has been enough to reduce the "Chongo" factor.
jsquared1013 I was a 6112. Served from 07-13 and couldn't agree more that the promotion system is jacked. I was a Lcpl for 38 months before making Cpl and knew every aspect of my job even better than some of my Nco's. Got really mad when I was on ship and saw an 18 or 19 year old cook get Cpl.
interesting idea. BUT i would like to see load bearing stats. are they carrying more or less gear/weight?
Renaissance MarineTV Yes what the weight they have to haul is always the question.
Richard .torres, I think they’d be carrying lighter equipment, because they said they’d be more agile, meaning faster and easier maneuverability.
i hope so, but from my experience, overweighing us was always a problem
They're ditching the M249 SAW for the M27 IAR which is substantially lighter. Whether that can dish out as much fire as the 249 is still up for debate.
The math can be done, I believe the weight will remain similar or under because they are adding new tech to carry. But no more SAWs.
Sounds like every squad leader is going to have a "headquarters" team like the platoon commander.
When are we getting our first cyborg US Marine?
Exo equipped soldiers would be received better and robotics inside of you wouldn't be accepted by a lot of ppl
CT Spoder where do I re-enlist again
Kn owl btw you gotta remember soldiers need to be able to hide in plain site and robotics inside of someone would have to be taken out after they retire which wouldn't make sense exos just all around make more sense and it makes tasks easier and less calorie burning running or jumping for instance and lifting a still beam off of you
Kn owl where do you live lol and are you of age?
CT Spoder lol I served Afghanistan '09 if they can technologically enhanced the Marine with cybonetics tech I'll re enlist lol
You can tell who's the most experienced based off of how faded the camouflage is.
Jesus. What happened to Privates and PFCs?
the squad should be 15 with one Marine rocking a mk48 per fire team.
That’d be lethal AF
Just a question from an operation standpoint does this increase the complexity of the platoon by putting too many weapons systems in play and does this increase or decrease the command and control burden?
God Bless the troops. This cannot be said enough. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
"If we just get read of the squad gunner we can trade away advantages of the m4 such as light weight and accuracy in favor of an overpriced piston gun that still won't have the same amount of firepower as a 249."
“Trade away advantages of the m4 such as light weight and accuracy”
The m27 IAR is both lighter and more accurate, being a sub minute of angle weapon. Of course it doesn’t have the same amount of firepower as a 249 but the point is everyone has an automatic weapon and if you use it correctly within the fireteam you can have pretty much constant fire, while being more adaptable than a big machine gun. Just like the tanks, it’s in an effort to make us more mobile and flexible. But please tell me more about how much smarter than the commandant you are.
Absolute high speed gibberish audio. Great. Fewer troops=longer watches, fewer relief.
Whoa...wait one gotdamn minute. The SAW is the backbone of the Rifle Squad. And you're getting rid of that? WTF??? When I was an 03 we had Cpls and Lcpls as Squad Leaders. And Sgts as Platoon Sgts...this shit has gotten out of hand. Goodluck my beloved Grunts you're gonna need it! Yut!!!!
Good to see our Marines evolving and adapting. Happy hunting, and stay safe boys!
I don’t really understand why they need the M27 when M4s already have a full auto capability. The added weight and length of the M27 (as compared to the M4) in the maneuver element may also be an issue. Why not have 1 LAAW per fire team, and save the weight of the MAAWS for the 0351 sections? Save weight for the maneuver elements again. Idk.
The M4 does not handle sustained full auto fire as well as the M27, since it has a thinner barrel.
Mr_Beezlebub but when have the riflemen been firing at full auto with M16’s of M4’s anyway? This change adds a whole lot of new tech to the squad, but messes up the Marines within the squad themselves regarding human factors. I think things were fine the way they were.
@@cm-pr2ys the M27 is being used primarily as a squad automatic weapon, which is why sustained full auto fire is important.
Back in the 80's (82-86) we had a 4 person fire team a fire team leader a rifleman an automatic rifleman and a grenadier rifleman all had M-16 with the grenadier having a M-203 attacment
Who would carry the radios? (PRC-117 nowadays.)
@@_R-R only 1 radio per squad a PRC77 the rest of us used hand and arm signals and maintained our situational awareness still had steel pots and flack jackets and C-Rats with the empty cans being very useful
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Wait
Everyone gets a M27?
Yup. Eventually with suppressors too.
Kenneth Wang
Over heat?
Nathan 556 psssshhh overheat? The government knows that would never happen in a gun fight
Yes, everyone.
Good for the Marines to get the MAAW which have been in the Army's arsenal for the last 30 years. Better late then never I guess lol
If by late you mean forced to improvise and be more combat effective with obsolete tech, sure.
Tfw: Taking Guadalcanal with Pre-World War I tech and having most of your support fleet sunk.
N75911 I'm a Corpsman I know all about how Marines make due with what they got. But it doesn't have to be that way. I feel sometimes that the Marine Corps is an enemy to it's own self with that whole mentality. We spend what precious amounts of funding for these stuff but we hardly have the funds to keep helicopters from crashing and killing Marines and Sailors attached to them.
Nick Rodriguez always on time at your girls house boi.
Everything the Marine Corps has is paid for by the Department of The Navy...
Jonathan Choi as you say sometimes Marine Corps can be too stuck in their ways whilst Army more willing to embrace innovation.
M27 IAR is love, M27 IAR is life.
does every marine have one?
The replacement of the 249 with the M27 is a step down in fire team capability, especially if they don’t have high capacity magazines that hold more than 30 rounds. I mean the Soviet’s had the RPK with 40 round mags and 75 round drums.
So every Marine is no longer a rifleman then?
As someone who's carried the saw m249 and the iar m27 I think this is a great move. Besides the weight of the saw it was bulky and that God Damn thing always found a way to piss me off. But the iar was like a Cadillac it was smooth, never jammed, weighed less, handled better, and it still had the full auto. As for people bitching about ammo weight. As a saw gunner I carried MINIMUM 1000 rounds and even as plt sgt I had about 300. You will carry it because it will save your ass one day. Forget about the weight it goes away when you use it anyway😁
Hell yeah, let's kick ass out there
2023 it is a fifteen man squad with an extra rifleman per fire team
Why can’t the Army do stuff like this so I’m updated and keep track of how the mission is a game changer. And also entertained. Marines have a thing going for them, and its marketing
They should compete with the Army's squad. 12 M27 vs 2 M249+
7 M4
Hold on, I thought the fire team leader also filled the grenadier role of the squad.
Used to. But no one could effectively be both Grenadier and Fireteam Leader.
Always wonder how these types of decisions are made. Do they basically war-game repeatedly and go with whatever setup has the average higher efficacy, or do they employ proto-squads to go test out new formations/tech in actual battle and measure efficacy that way?
I think the fireteam needs to stay at 4
It's more cost effective. This decision for gradier helps reduce needs of advance air support. Use f-35 and other expensive options less. While being equally effective.
Anytime I see a Marine using a m-320 it is in standalone mode. I have also read they are asking for holsters for them. Some input from someone who knows more about this than I do would be nice. It looks to me like they should have went with the Airtronic upgraded China Lake pump action launcher instead of the m-320 and the m-32.
It would make more sense if they had one tech guys the platoon level instead of dropping three rifleman from every squad so you can get three guys doing a redundant job that will almost never be used on the squad level.
Using every soldier as an automatic rifleman isn't what the Soviets/Russians have been doing since the 50's ? This is basically the same thing but without the actual belt feed SAW (the russians use the pecheng) and the BMP with the 40mm autocanon and ATGM . Really really interesting prospect
So squad leader has two secretaries now and every fireteam leader is pointman into a room followed by a grenadier and an auto rifleman... and zero belt guns in the squad. I'm sure it'll be fine.
Wouldn’t taking away the squads riflemen and adding more heavily equipped roles limit the squads mobility?
That's really smart way to change. more firepower and tech
Am I the only one who thinks that this shouldn't be on TH-cam
Christian Mathes i feel the same
lol i know right wtf?
Probably not, but what's your reasoning?
Crow the Arsonist: My reasoning is that anyone on TH-cam can access this video (Including the bad guys). You don't want to be giving your tactics away for them to plan.
This kind of stuff isn't important, lol. It's just what a squad is equipped with. If it exposed every bit of a unit's tactics and planning to the T, then it might raise a problem. But do you really think that the Marine Corps. would allow classified information to be put onto TH-cam for the world to see?
Yeah that's a PRC-117F they showed. Not a golf.
At the end of the day, they're still just light infantry without organic fighting vehicles. Equivalent forces are ALL mounted and effectively bring 30mm cannons or greater to the fight.
Thanks for your input, Billy-Bob.
Weapon designs do matter, actually.
Whatever military theorist that came up with this and the Marine officer that approved this needs slapped around.
Hopefully our Marine Bro's can get 117G, those are definitely the 117F, quite a bit heavier and no GPS cape. We got rid of our 117F's about 6 yrs ago.
Wtf I’m joining up in July and was thinking of going 0331 just to use the M240B now I’m gonna have to use this pos M27?
So the new squads will also get rid of PFCs? Good choice. Becoming more like the big Army every year
The ranks for these things was the funniest things I've seen all day! Here's how the rankings will actually go... SQD LDR E-4, E3. AST SQD LDR E-4, E-3. SQD OPR E-4, E-3. GRNDR E-3, AUMATC RFM E-3, E-2, E-1.
Sincere question: Why is the M320 replacing the M203? The M320 is a whole sperate weapon whereas the M203 is slung underneath the barrel of an M16 or M4. It's more to carry around and heavier right? So why is the M320 more beneficial than the M203?
Can load longer/larger varieties of rounds. And can be underbarrel if needed.
Go got rid of the SAW ? Replaced it with an HK piston AR15 ? Seems kinda STUPID to go from a full auto, 200rd belt fed suppression to a 30rd mag fed rifle.
I’m an Army guy, so excuse my ignorance. Do Marines utilize a weapons squad at the platoon level?
Organization is different top to bottom. The infantry BN will have a WPNS Co and three Rifle Co's. Each rifle Co will have three rifle plt's and a WPNS plt. When rifle plt's are deployed, elements of WPNS plt or WPNS Co can be attached.
No dedicated WPNS squad in a rifle plt. With variation based on T/O levels and mission.
No, the squads are homogeneous. Each rifle company does have a weapons platoon with six M240s, though.
I’m glad the marine corps uploaded this for all our enemies to see!
Max Renauldo and do what with it?
what are they gonna do anyway
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Let's see -- The M249's that are in service date from long after I got out, and are still shot to shit because they've been in near-constant action with shitty field maintenance (welcome to the Suck) for at least ten years. Should we: a) refurbish what we have; b) buy new M249's; or c) find a replacement for the M249? I know! We'll do neither! Instead:
We'll drop one Marine from the squad; give the remainder "product improved" M16A1's (which we are paying almost as much for, as a new M249, completely ignoring the idea of replacing one part, two screws, and a rebuild kit for the gas system - all of which are available on the open market) and bullshit the Call of Duty basement dwellers with Common Core math, while ignoring heat build-up completely; strip the Fire Team to three Marines; give the Squad Leader two people to directly babysit - because he certainly doesn't have anything better to pay attention to, because the other nine Marines can take care of themselves - issue a toy copter to a LCpl who doesn't know enough to watch his own ass, let alone the people around him because he's doing a specialist job; and issue an RPG-type weapon that should have been handed to the squad in 2003 (that apparently doesn't have a designated operator, and whose basic ammunition load will still need to be spread out through a shorter squad), all while insisting stridently that we are faster, lighter and more lethal as a result.
In the immortal words of Robert Downey Jr. -- "Not a great plan."
1984-1990 -- Thank GHU that I got out when I did. This is so embarrassing.
The Major what they should really do is just replace the m249 with the Mk48.
Smegma Lord -- Something. 30 rounds doesn't suppress shit. And regressing to the BAR/RPK route is not a solution.
The Major I agree. Which is why they should replace the m249 with the mk48 machine gun. It might be heavier but a 7.62 weapon would be more effective that 5.56
Sounds like a good way to burn through a shit load of ammo in a contact.
All these new gizmos but couldn't replace the prc 117 radios?😀
lmao. notice how light the SL's cammi look comparing to others' cammi.
Damn Marines are the most bad ass men i have ever seen!! 🇺🇸♠️
Who needs accuracy when you could shoot more bullets?
Interesting new structure
Enemy just has to snipe out you're communications and surround you. You can't call for reinforcements. Then what?
I think if you make every man a combat medic, communications, sniper, then operations control squad leader skills, so if the squad leader jets popped, every man can do the other guys job, making the entire unit elite. Add two more men and give them control of a predictor drone make them a add on stealth reconnaissance team of two men, so if the entire unit gets ambushed or surrounded, they call independently bomb targets as a unit to stay alive, that would reduce time of calling in a air strike from miles away from a base while then unit is deep behind enemy lines and potentially staying alive in a combat situation that comes down to split second decisions. Just an idea.
Does it help that I was a lance with three of those billets...
Why don't people understand that losing a belt fed machine gun when nearly all rifles have full auto capability isn't really that big of a deal? If it were up to me I'd upgrade to something belt fed and newer than the m249 but 12 people even with 30 round mags is more suppressive power than one m249
Only if they're all firing in the same direction. With a four-man fire team, you can have four pairs of eyes covering 180 degrees with the M249 pointed towards the most dangerous side. Now there are only three guys in a fire team, and instead of having three M249s in a squad you have zero. They're giving up a lot of security at the objective by doing this.
I really don't know if your fire power is going to increase without belt fed machine guns vs an automatic rifle.
I do live it when things go boom
whos going to hump all the ammo for the autos and the grenadiers? there was a reason for the Assistant gunner. I like the fire power, it just seems like they are going to be even more tethered to the logistics train.......
A question from a non-military guy.
Where does the squad support weapon (machine gun) fit in all of this?
How did this work in the old system, and hos is it supposed to work in the new one?
Is the "automatic riffleman" the one responsible for that? Does that mean that one in three of the soldiers will be carrying an M249? (becuase that sunds a bit crazy).
So marines bascially threw the entire idea of designated squad support weapon out of the window?
Interesting.
So a 3 man fire team not 4?
Yeah....so the SL can have an assistant?
I think I know why the military is modernizing at this point in time I might be wrong though I think there modernizing at this point in time in order to counter the threats posed by China and Russia since both countries are modernizing there militaries so quickly!
So where are the PVTs and PFCs?
Let's fight here instead of there
Semper Fi brothers!
So, automatic rifles, 40mm grenade launchers, a DMR and an RPG at squad level - is this a Soviet mechanized infantry squad, except without a machinegun or a BMP with its 30mm automatic cannon and ATGM? Taking your time to catch up, guys. :D
Except their 'automatic rifles' are assault rifles.
Jonny call them what you will.
But that's just as I said: "a Soviet mechanized infantry squad, except without a machinegun or a BMP with its 30mm automatic cannon and ATGM".
Mind, the Russian mechanized infantry adopted the Pecheneg, a lightweight machine gun that shoots full-sized rifle ammo, and its current-gen BMP has a 100mm cannon to supplement the 30mm one :3
That was my exact thought . The use of every soldier as automatic rifleman and an RPG at squad level was the most visible thing that separates to this day the philosophy of combat of the Eastern block countries from the west's. They might just add and BMP to complete the migration lol
Marine Corps Infantry has done pretty well over the years, I'd say, for "needing to catch up".
This looks like deluxe version of new Finnish Defence Force infantry squad.
As long as you're not encouraging guys to fire when they don't have a target. Still think 3 marines should have the HK, and 1 should have a saw. Fireteam leaders always had the 203.
Shane The Stoic "the HK" because H&K have only made one gun before
taloob The only H&Gay gun in service within da Mahrins is the M27, now the M38 which is basically a fucktarded M27 with an optic and can stolen from the SS
Not always in the 80's we had 4 man fireteams the M-203 was with a designated grenadier rifleman I know things change over time but facts don't
Yea we're gonna have more powerful guns but we're also gonna add FUCKING DRONES
So what will be the primary rifle for the 0311? Still M4, of M27?
Every Marine will have an M27.
Collin thanks, that clears things up👍
Henry Ross
No problem.
do Marines still use the M4 carbine
Without overpowered air Force behind them, they only can put some suppressing fire to all direction that they suspected dangerous. Just sayin..
No Corpsman?
why is it only now that everyone's getting an IAR? What purpose did the old M4s serve and will any of the M4's advantages/attributes be lost when switching to the IAR?
Sean Moriarty the M27s are far more accurate and the Marines absolutely love them already.
No SAW gunners?
Good luck with the new m27 or m4 with gas piston that cost as much as an m249.
SEMPER FI
What do Lieutenants do?
Marines should be issued Nunchucks 🤠
Ditch the saw, add some HK 416’s and 2 417’s.
So everyone in the squad is getting an M27?
All except the marks man who has an M38 DMR which is basically a DMR version of the IAR and somehow more accurate than the M27 IAR
Love how there are no privates in this plan
If you are still a private by the time you have hit the fleet you've done fucked up something in a bad way. Private is practically just a training rank these days.
If everyone has an automatic rifle then what’s the point of an automatic rifleman?
Are the M16 reaplaced by M4?
Aiden Hunter no way?
I thought There is a different between M27 and M4a1?
Carabiner and Automaticrifle(M27)
I am Army and that's brilliant now knock on Army's door please. More fire power increase and support internal squad capabilities enhanced. Oh wait the Army tried this called the Land Warrior future soldier program.
Holy shit. I want back in!
I thought we would be issued a hypersonic rifle and mini nukes by now, it worked vs the Zerg, why cant we have nice things??
I'm keying in on the 300% more fire power is this the objective of the change is this sustainable/realistic or flawed.
The objective was to make the Marine rifle squad more lethal, agile, and capable in all areas.
we getting those two eyed PVS-14's too? :)
spencer newhouse LOL if only
spencer newhouse Oof Mahrins are getting Gucci PVS-31s, they practically have more shit to man handle by accident and break, but at least we’ll have surplus housings and tubes hitting the market a few months later :3
ChittinBricks Make sure you dummy cord your dummy cord to your dummy cord.
Are we getting rid of the M4? So there is no longer 0311?
Wrong. There are still 0311s, they will just have an M27 now.
Ah
Bullshit,a Mattel m-16 with a m 203 grenade launcher, a compass, map,grease pen,and omelet with ham mre.Thats all you need, maybe a canteen with luke warm water.
Machine gun squad wheres