I really appreciate this perspective. Like many arborist, I started out with moving rope because that’s what everyone just did. And I can tell you from my experience that ascending 100 foot pine tree with moving rope system is less than ideal, takes a lot of physical exertion and kinda takes the fun out of tree work. Two years into my career I took a stationary rope class and instantly knew this is how I want to and will be climbing most often for the rest of my career. I went out and bought myself a static rope, a rope wrench, foot ascender, and knee ascender and started using it everyday, in every tree possible. Learning and using the basal anchor, canopy anchor, and redirects. First and foremost, the amount of energy one saves ascending a tree is incredible, and it’s fun. Second, the lack of friction the climb line experiences while working a tree with the help of redirects, saves energy. I do not feel nearly as physically and energetically beat up at the end of every day of big climbing. I wholeheartedly agree that as we move into stationary rope system being common place in the industry it should absolutely be taught side-by-side moving rope system. I personally know a couple new climbers and for them it’s daunting to attempt to isolate one branch in an 80 foot pine tree and double rope up that whole thing, or having to leapfrog up to the top to set the tie in and then work the tree. It’s miserable, leapfrogging and I think it’s less safe then getting a really nice high TIP, ascending and then working down with double rope or single rope. Climbing static rope has made tree work more enjoyable, is easier on my body, and will lengthen my career in tree work by at least 10 years. Thanks for the vid Dan!
I started climbing in the 80's using only a bowline and a taught line hitch. Now that I am 62 years old I have just started using SRT. It really does make access much easier and, as you mentioned, it is extending my climbing career. My goal is to be climbing into my 70's. For any of the old timers out there that think SRT is just for the young climbers, I would say give it a try. Old dogs can learn new tricks.
I’ve been climbing for 31 years Dan, and I wish I’d had this technique available to me when I first started out, I think my back would be in much better shape now if I’d had access to SRT. I’ve just gone over to SRT this year, and I admit I found it a little daunting at first, don’t really know why, a psychological issue I guess, but it has revolutionized my climbing style for accessing the canopy. I’m still a newbie with a lot to learn, but am really glad that I took the opportunity to invest in myself and further my climbing career. Thanks for the video!
Thank you. Your one of the first I've seen address this issue. I'm 65 and want to climb into trees. I've been watching DRS and SRS videos for a couple months. There's no way I'm hip thrusting into a tree. For me SRS is the way to go. As far as saddles go, I'm leaning towards the Monkey Beaver. It looks like it has great back support. I'm saving up to buy the gear I need one time. I don't want to waste money on cheap gear that makes climbing more difficult or uncomfortable. I've always loved free climbing trees with no gear. So I'm excited to see how much higher, wider and safer I can climb utilizing climbing gear best suited for me. Love your channel and the fact that you stay current with your mindset. Safe climbing brother. Bill in Indiana here.
Hi Billster. I just did my 1st real climb Saturday. I'm replying because we are really close in age. I will be 67 in October. I was watching all these chainsaw videos because I have worked those most of my life. I stumbled on to these guys climbing trees. After watching some of that, I decided that looked like a lot of fun, and get some work done. Anyway, the reply is because we have something in common for sure. Lewis
You asked for comments. Here goes from 67 yr old Kiwi hobbyist who has been climbing and cutting for 30 yrs. I so appreciate you and others who take your precious time to share, teach, encourage. Massive thankyou. I climb on homemade Matt Cornell inspired harness, home made rope wrench ... key life support components are rated appropriately. Made my Buckingham squeeze recently... thanks again 😊
I come from a technical rock, ice, snow, and alpine (see: glacier travel/crevasse rescue) background as a International Federation of Mountain Guide Associations/Association of Canadian Mountain Guides "mountain guide", and when I saw this moving rope system in the tree world I automatically thought to myself "What the heck?" and went on to set myself up with a stationary rope climbing system with a Rope Wrench and Pantin. Now I have an Adjustable Bulldog Bone, Pantin, and Camp Turbochest knee ascender set-up. Life is good for this old, fat fool (turning 70 in mid-June, the Gods willing and the creeks don't rise).
There are very good reasons that moving rope was the way Arborist’s climbed for such a long time. There was no device to seamlessly move up and down the rope constantly and efficiently without changing over equipment. But I can see why to people using other rope disciplines it would seem a little weird.
I am taking an arborist course and as primary system we are taught MRS with access line. However, I bought rope wrench and xstatic and just had my first SRS work climb today. Redirects were so much easier on SRS working on tilia platyphyllos. I imagine using MRS on big wide old oak trees would be rather fun. I am a curious type and I love knowing about both of these and I believe that knowing both will make me a better/fast/more efficient climber in the future. Climbing trees is just so much fun!
As a new climber always wonder the topic explained here, some people say that if u wanna know the trade you need to learn the basics but srt will get you to the canopy with less effort. GREAT VID
90% of my climbing career has been DRT. For the last year and a half I've been mixing in SRT. A game changer for the body. Still learning the ins and out and working on my efficiency.
I agree just for the time and effort to get into the canopy. Gives them more time to practice what’s important in the tree, moving and positioning. Also in the UK having to use 2 ropes I think SRS and DDRT can be used together so knowing both is crucial. 👍🏻
I’ve been struggling with my double rope system for about two years now. The amount of fucking grief I’ve got from the second climber just isn’t believable. (Actually I’m the second climber) he still uses a prusik believe it or not. But he’s been doing it 30 years so you can imagine the thought process. I’m glad I persevered to add an srt line into my system and like you said it is now just another technique. The frustrating thing for me is not the technique, it’s the ignorance that I’ve had to wrestle with “oh using your throw bag again are you?” “Oh that’s a lot of faff carrying all that gear with you isn’t it?” The guy who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the guy who is doing it.
Find a new home dude I delt with the same type of issues in utility (started there when rona started with the lay-offs) went back into regular tree care in a much more progressive company that utilizes single & double breath of fresh air grass can be greener on the other side just need to do the homework. Hope it gets better.
I am new to climbing and SRT seems pretty simple and easy to me. Perhaps that is just the voice of ignorance, but the available gear just makes things so easy, even for an old guy like me. I am seventy years old. It's true that I won't be climbing in the redwoods or on tall mountain cliffs, but I will use this new skill to hunt deer and elk from the trees during the fall hunting seasons this year (and hopefully many more). From my perspective it is difficult for me to understand why climbing SRT would be thought of as an advanced skill. It is truly an awesome thing to learn and I cannot imagine any technique than SRT that would be easier or safer when utilizing modern equipment.
I have been climbing for 10 years now and I must say thank you for all the hard work you have put into your videos because I have learned a lot of things and techniques from you and your videos so you be safe and keep on keeping on God bless you
i learned how to climb using hitches and one hook and one rope and able to took down dozen of oak. i was using my own line to rig the trees i was cutting. literary 130$ kit. i like DDR system because i know the rope double up on it capacity
Been climbing for 6 years last 2 years srt and still ddrt. Rope wrench same hitch with my hitch climber set up and love it. Everyone who works with me gets lessons in srt how I tie my anchor etc. Everyone should understand how to climb both ways imo makes ascents a breeze. The one thing I found that was trouble was setting up my base anchor in a good spot where it wasn't in my way now I do both base and canopy loved the video good work as always
I learned climbing DRT with a Lockjack and using access line in SRT with a Goblin from Camp, looking back it was a terrible setup. SRT made my climbs so much easier, canopy or base anchor, the redirects are so easy and so many options, ascent is way faster and easy on the body, limb walking so much smoother, just need one rope and one setup instead of 2 with acces line and DRT. Still using DRT to ascend in trees wich are very full of branches and I cannot get a clear throw but I switch SRT at the top. I learned a lot from your videos on SRT, thanks mate 🤙
I am a new climber and have taught myself along with you tube help. I have learned with basic friction hitches and a Jumar for ascending. One thing I can say is if you have never been stuck in a tree because you have dropped your fancy gear and don't know the basics you will be screwed. My lesson came when I descended my line and looked up and noticed I had left my Jumar and sling at the top. Ok to laugh now ,lol. But at the time I did not think it was funny. any way If I did not know how to ascend a rope with friction hitches and a foot loop I would have been screwed. Now I also have a Madrock for climbing as well but will never forget how to ascend and descend with friction knots.
My college teachers MRS first semester, and SRS second semester. I think they start with MRS to go over basics (open and closed systems) and it's cheaper to start out. There's a pretty hefty gear/PPE cost on top of the tuition cost so they try to keep the price down,
I am 62+ years of age, started SRT several years ago, if not, would likely only be doing removals with spurs. Many years ago, I did spur climbing along with a single life line set for fall arrest. Used a fall absorb lanyard with grab follower, attach to dorsal on full harness. Back then if I had read "On Rope" caving and cavern books, maybe it would have inspired me to try SRT on trees.
It's one for the toolbox. It's so good for some work, opens up so many possibilities, makes so many things so much more efficient and gentle - you got to have it and be able to use it. Rescue is also a consideration - SRS systems are being used by your fellow climbers. One needs to be proficient to be able to rescue.
Yes sir another good video with great points ..u definitly bring important info out to everyone equally and for everyone to learn as much of both methods of climbing ..I taught myself how to climb and I'm still learning from your channel so cheers mate also , educated climber and August and guilty of treason , bucking billy .and some others also ..thanks to all of u guys
Also I’ve just recently started srt and yes it’s made a difference in my life I’m 58 years old and I know srt will add several more years to my climbing life ant truthfully I really don’t want to do any other job than tree work bc it just so much fun to do
I definitely agree that someone should learn both. I'd recommend starting with the most basic bc MRT requires less equipment and has many advantages. Then I'd teach SRT so they can really appreciate the added benefits of ascending effortlessly on SRT
Pros and Cons 2:24 Benefits to both SRS and MRS and it depends on the trees MRS 2:46 Added benefit of coming in on long limb walks where you need to be able to tend the slack and pull in you weight - easier than SRS SRS 8.59 Beats MRS for access as its easier on the body. For more discussion see this link - Nick Grebe from Minneapolis Parks and Rec - he nails it in terms of how to combine each th-cam.com/video/BSxWty4053k/w-d-xo.html Go to 1:45:30 mark Nick's views: SRS good for ascent and for working in column type trees where you stay within 30 degrees of an imaginery plumb line from the anchor point, such as Conifers whereas MRS is good in smaller trees or when working wider off-plumb beyond 30 degrees
I totally agree with this view. Srs should not be labelled as 'an ellite'. I wish I'd had it sooner in my career. Funny how it makes me feel like a newbie at my age !
I've been climbing a year now. I love chasing tops of tall white pine in Maine. I use a Blake's hitch to tie in but like everything you said. Where do I get started?
Change is slow, the weight of history, and the pressure to make money really inhibit change. If it was all about fun, people would try everything just because. I started on Blake's hitch for 6 months because "you should know how to climb on just a rope". With that mentality we should all be making home made ropes, and forging carabiners, . . . which would actually be pretty cool.
Yes, agreed! Dan, Have you tried the 'Notch Jet-step' with your design of Knee Ascender climbing SRS? Does it work as well? I guess it might pop off the rope with the rotational force that you mentioned the foot ascender portion is subjected to in your previous video, though, if it doesn't, it might be even better? Thank you for your ridiculously excellent content!
Im teaching a new climber right now and i thought long about this subject. I decided that the new generation of climbers should learn SRS as a basic skill. SRS is just too convenient. To older climbers SRS seems so "new or exotic or highly technical" but when i teach the new guy he just takes it as another basic option. Changing climbing styles after many years can be DAUNTING. But when its ALL new to a new climber then its not such a tectonic change.
Hey...you got it wrong...old climber's see it as a fat waste of money on do dads and a sure waste of time due to over complicated rig ups which if dressed wrong can unfortunately kill you... so... every type of hook up is needed information to be effective climber
Hi! I am used to industrial rope access eiere you have a Main Line and a back up Line for redundancy and rescuing. I see tree climbers just use one Main Line (and the lanyard when using chain saw etc) What is the reason that tree climbers don’t use the «industrial standard»? What is your opinion about this theme?
I'm 6'0 220Ibs and 21 years old. I've been climbing for 2 years, I climb with a blake's hitch, and I do line clearance tree trimming. I don't know nothing about the new school stuff. My fellow climber at work brought in a zig-zag and asked me if I wanted to use it. And I said no, it just didn't sit well with me.
I own a tree care company and most of my climbers thought the same way. Until they tried SRS/SRT in a wide canopy that called for a lot of limb walking and transitioning. You should give it a try man. Stay safe 🤙
it is a very gray area with regards to early training. In collaboration with mentorship and progress in climbing career development it is most definitely a tool that should be taught.
A lot of climbers have a hard time setting up a high tie in from the ground. Stationary Rope Systems don't make a lot of sense to them for all the setup time. SRS is much more practical when you have a 120' tie in. MRS makes more sense for climbers that can only set 30' tie ins.
Hi mate. I have question. I've just started working as a arborist ive got my chainsaw course soon and climbing there after hopefully. My question is am I told to starting this career as im 36.
Ha.;-) You think you've got age related issues, i'm starting out as an arborist this year and i'm also turning 50! I'll be using SRS for access and Dynamic for moving about and work positioning to save my joints.
Hello, I was a less experienced climber in Hong Kong. When I was in college, I had never taught about SRT. However, I was asked to use SRT when I came to work at the very beginning. I knew I could learn by myself, but I was wondering the question. Why it couldn't be taught when I was studying?! LOL
I tend to think of SRS for pruning and jobs that do not require spurs. Are there any good options for using spurs and SRS? I can't imagine trying to cut and chunk down a spar without spurs.
@@larrysmall3521 I welded an old petzl foot ascender on to my spurs few years ago because the options to mount one permanently were too expensive for me. But before that I was just putting my spur on top of my foot ascender, works great
Even without a foot ascender SRT is real nice with spikes, just walk up the tree on your spikes tending your slack or throw your lanyard over your shoulder to self tend. Personally like using it on pines, base tie srt walk up the stem on spikes hardly using a wire strop. Once I'm at the top I tie in single line with a running bowline, when you're chunking down log just leave a long tail on your bowline, descend and pull the tail to drop it down. Completely changed my climbing style especially on big ass pines, using drt originally and coming down with my rope and lockjack covered in sap got annoying real fast
Been doing tree work since 3 years now, would like to try srt, just one question, can I trust just my valdotin or distel to support me or should i have another device like rope wrench, zigzag and chicane, rope runner....
i bought a zigzag with a chicane for srt in the beginning (6 months ago) and i didn’t like the length of that so i bought a rope runner pro(couple of months ago)….rope runner is the ticket!😂
SRT doesnt work for line clearance very well. The trees are fairly tall and straight for the most part. You would fuck around with a throwball all day long if you were doing SRT. Line clearance is a very large part of this industry that doesn't get talked about at all by any youtuber I've ever seen. It should get talked about but it doesnt.
Not that I do many line clearances but for the majority of social media arborists it’s all about the gear and glamour mate. Not many are going to get into the gritty realities of it all. The shite jobs that hold the whole thing together, time pressures, bad weather etc. Line clearances won’t get a mention. A truth that they have either been fortunate enough to avoid or just don’t talk about is that for one good job you do you have to do half a dozen or more shite ones.
@@djb3v Where I live, every climber i know got his start trimming out power lines. I don't know of a single climber that hasn't done line clearance. It a production type environment and a lot of people simply cannot hack it.
In the future consider opening your video with explaining what each discipline is, with an emphasis on the differences. Otherwise it's like comparing nuclear fission to fusion, without ever explaining the domple basic of each. It becomes nonsensical babble to the uninitiated viewer interested in the subject. You can begin with SRS is... And works like this... And moving rope climbing is... And works like... Just trying to help improve the content, not criticizing you. Thank you for your effort.
If you don’t already know what SRS and MRS climbing systems are then why are you watching this video, it’s not made for people without that knowledge. Hence not explaining
I really appreciate this perspective.
Like many arborist, I started out with moving rope because that’s what everyone just did. And I can tell you from my experience that ascending 100 foot pine tree with moving rope system is less than ideal, takes a lot of physical exertion and kinda takes the fun out of tree work.
Two years into my career I took a stationary rope class and instantly knew this is how I want to and will be climbing most often for the rest of my career. I went out and bought myself a static rope, a rope wrench, foot ascender, and knee ascender and started using it everyday, in every tree possible. Learning and using the basal anchor, canopy anchor, and redirects.
First and foremost, the amount of energy one saves ascending a tree is incredible, and it’s fun. Second, the lack of friction the climb line experiences while working a tree with the help of redirects, saves energy. I do not feel nearly as physically and energetically beat up at the end of every day of big climbing.
I wholeheartedly agree that as we move into stationary rope system being common place in the industry it should absolutely be taught side-by-side moving rope system. I personally know a couple new climbers and for them it’s daunting to attempt to isolate one branch in an 80 foot pine tree and double rope up that whole thing, or having to leapfrog up to the top to set the tie in and then work the tree. It’s miserable, leapfrogging and I think it’s less safe then getting a really nice high TIP, ascending and then working down with double rope or single rope.
Climbing static rope has made tree work more enjoyable, is easier on my body, and will lengthen my career in tree work by at least 10 years.
Thanks for the vid Dan!
I started climbing in the 80's using only a bowline and a taught line hitch. Now that I am 62 years old I have just started using SRT. It really does make access much easier and, as you mentioned, it is extending my climbing career. My goal is to be climbing into my 70's. For any of the old timers out there that think SRT is just for the young climbers, I would say give it a try. Old dogs can learn new tricks.
At 67 I love srt
I’ve been climbing for 31 years Dan, and I wish I’d had this technique available to me when I first started out, I think my back would be in much better shape now if I’d had access to SRT.
I’ve just gone over to SRT this year, and I admit I found it a little daunting at first, don’t really know why, a psychological issue I guess, but it has revolutionized my climbing style for accessing the canopy. I’m still a newbie with a lot to learn, but am really glad that I took the opportunity to invest in myself and further my climbing career.
Thanks for the video!
That’s great to hear 👍
Thank you. Your one of the first I've seen address this issue. I'm 65 and want to climb into trees. I've been watching DRS and SRS videos for a couple months. There's no way I'm hip thrusting into a tree. For me SRS is the way to go. As far as saddles go, I'm leaning towards the Monkey Beaver. It looks like it has great back support. I'm saving up to buy the gear I need one time. I don't want to waste money on cheap gear that makes climbing more difficult or uncomfortable. I've always loved free climbing trees with no gear. So I'm excited to see how much higher, wider and safer I can climb utilizing climbing gear best suited for me.
Love your channel and the fact that you stay current with your mindset. Safe climbing brother. Bill in Indiana here.
Hi Billster. I just did my 1st real climb Saturday. I'm replying because we are really close in age. I will be 67 in October. I was watching all these chainsaw videos because I have worked those most of my life. I stumbled on to these guys climbing trees. After watching some of that, I decided that looked like a lot of fun, and get some work done. Anyway, the reply is because we have something in common for sure. Lewis
You asked for comments. Here goes from 67 yr old Kiwi hobbyist who has been climbing and cutting for 30 yrs.
I so appreciate you and others who take your precious time to share, teach, encourage. Massive thankyou.
I climb on homemade Matt Cornell inspired harness, home made rope wrench ... key life support components are rated appropriately. Made my Buckingham squeeze recently... thanks again 😊
True climbers are hybrid styles... use every trick in your bag... just be open minded to understanding both types of hook up and be safe...
I come from a technical rock, ice, snow, and alpine (see: glacier travel/crevasse rescue) background as a International Federation of Mountain Guide Associations/Association of Canadian Mountain Guides "mountain guide", and when I saw this moving rope system in the tree world I automatically thought to myself "What the heck?" and went on to set myself up with a stationary rope climbing system with a Rope Wrench and Pantin. Now I have an Adjustable Bulldog Bone, Pantin, and Camp Turbochest knee ascender set-up. Life is good for this old, fat fool (turning 70 in mid-June, the Gods willing and the creeks don't rise).
There are very good reasons that moving rope was the way Arborist’s climbed for such a long time. There was no device to seamlessly move up and down the rope constantly and efficiently without changing over equipment. But I can see why to people using other rope disciplines it would seem a little weird.
Good for you. I'm 65 and can't wait to get climbing SRT.
I am taking an arborist course and as primary system we are taught MRS with access line. However, I bought rope wrench and xstatic and just had my first SRS work climb today. Redirects were so much easier on SRS working on tilia platyphyllos. I imagine using MRS on big wide old oak trees would be rather fun. I am a curious type and I love knowing about both of these and I believe that knowing both will make me a better/fast/more efficient climber in the future. Climbing trees is just so much fun!
As a new climber always wonder the topic explained here, some people say that if u wanna know the trade you need to learn the basics but srt will get you to the canopy with less effort. GREAT VID
90% of my climbing career has been DRT. For the last year and a half I've been mixing in SRT. A game changer for the body. Still learning the ins and out and working on my efficiency.
I agree just for the time and effort to get into the canopy. Gives them more time to practice what’s important in the tree, moving and positioning. Also in the UK having to use 2 ropes I think SRS and DDRT can be used together so knowing both is crucial. 👍🏻
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I started watching your videos and channels like yours very early in to my Tower Climbing career. Absolutely 💯 helped me.
I’ve been struggling with my double rope system for about two years now. The amount of fucking grief I’ve got from the second climber just isn’t believable. (Actually I’m the second climber) he still uses a prusik believe it or not. But he’s been doing it 30 years so you can imagine the thought process. I’m glad I persevered to add an srt line into my system and like you said it is now just another technique. The frustrating thing for me is not the technique, it’s the ignorance that I’ve had to wrestle with “oh using your throw bag again are you?” “Oh that’s a lot of faff carrying all that gear with you isn’t it?”
The guy who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the guy who is doing it.
Find a new home dude I delt with the same type of issues in utility (started there when rona started with the lay-offs) went back into regular tree care in a much more progressive company that utilizes single & double breath of fresh air grass can be greener on the other side just need to do the homework. Hope it gets better.
I’ve been climbing for 20yrs and just this have started to try Srs and trying to learn it. Does seem like there are some huge benefits to it.
I am new to climbing and SRT seems pretty simple and easy to me. Perhaps that is just the voice of ignorance, but the available gear just makes things so easy, even for an old guy like me. I am seventy years old. It's true that I won't be climbing in the redwoods or on tall mountain cliffs, but I will use this new skill to hunt deer and elk from the trees during the fall hunting seasons this year (and hopefully many more). From my perspective it is difficult for me to understand why climbing SRT would be thought of as an advanced skill. It is truly an awesome thing to learn and I cannot imagine any technique than SRT that would be easier or safer when utilizing modern equipment.
I have been climbing for 10 years now and I must say thank you for all the hard work you have put into your videos because I have learned a lot of things and techniques from you and your videos so you be safe and keep on keeping on God bless you
We really appreciate your kind comments 🙏
Srt to get to the TIP and set up a double roped once you’ve got there is definitely a game changer. Love the videos man full of knowledge
i learned how to climb using hitches and one hook and one rope and able to took down dozen of oak. i was using my own line to rig the trees i was cutting. literary 130$ kit. i like DDR system because i know the rope double up on it capacity
Been climbing for 6 years last 2 years srt and still ddrt. Rope wrench same hitch with my hitch climber set up and love it. Everyone who works with me gets lessons in srt how I tie my anchor etc. Everyone should understand how to climb both ways imo makes ascents a breeze. The one thing I found that was trouble was setting up my base anchor in a good spot where it wasn't in my way now I do both base and canopy loved the video good work as always
I learned climbing DRT with a Lockjack and using access line in SRT with a Goblin from Camp, looking back it was a terrible setup.
SRT made my climbs so much easier, canopy or base anchor, the redirects are so easy and so many options, ascent is way faster and easy on the body, limb walking so much smoother, just need one rope and one setup instead of 2 with acces line and DRT. Still using DRT to ascend in trees wich are very full of branches and I cannot get a clear throw but I switch SRT at the top. I learned a lot from your videos on SRT, thanks mate 🤙
SRT as primary access combined with DRT wherever it's needed is definitely the future
Well said.
This is how I climb, all self taught on SRT. I climb on a unicender but will climb DDRT when necessary.
@@donnyarcane same here, knowing all those techniques definately benefits you
I am a new climber and have taught myself along with you tube help. I have learned with basic friction hitches and a Jumar for ascending. One thing I can say is if you have never been stuck in a tree because you have dropped your fancy gear and don't know the basics you will be screwed. My lesson came when I descended my line and looked up and noticed I had left my Jumar and sling at the top. Ok to laugh now ,lol. But at the time I did not think it was funny. any way If I did not know how to ascend a rope with friction hitches and a foot loop I would have been screwed. Now I also have a Madrock for climbing as well but will never forget how to ascend and descend with friction knots.
My college teachers MRS first semester, and SRS second semester. I think they start with MRS to go over basics (open and closed systems) and it's cheaper to start out. There's a pretty hefty gear/PPE cost on top of the tuition cost so they try to keep the price down,
What college is that? My college only does a half day lab on srs unfortunately.
I am 62+ years of age, started SRT several years ago, if not, would likely only be doing removals with spurs. Many years ago, I did spur climbing along with a single life line set for fall arrest. Used a fall absorb lanyard with grab follower, attach to dorsal on full harness. Back then if I had read "On Rope" caving and cavern books, maybe it would have inspired me to try SRT on trees.
It's one for the toolbox. It's so good for some work, opens up so many possibilities, makes so many things so much more efficient and gentle - you got to have it and be able to use it. Rescue is also a consideration - SRS systems are being used by your fellow climbers. One needs to be proficient to be able to rescue.
I mean you said all this, but yeah. Totally with you.
Yes sir another good video with great points ..u definitly bring important info out to everyone equally and for everyone to learn as much of both methods of climbing ..I taught myself how to climb and I'm still learning from your channel so cheers mate also , educated climber and August and guilty of treason , bucking billy .and some others also ..thanks to all of u guys
Yes!!!! Makes sense! I'm new to it.... All of it. Please make sure you show what you are teaching. Look forward to next vid. Thank you
Also I’ve just recently started srt and yes it’s made a difference in my life I’m 58 years old and I know srt will add several more years to my climbing life ant truthfully I really don’t want to do any other job than tree work bc it just so much fun to do
SRT will make the world of difference to your climbing
Great video and insight!
I definitely agree that someone should learn both. I'd recommend starting with the most basic bc MRT requires less equipment and has many advantages. Then I'd teach SRT so they can really appreciate the added benefits of ascending effortlessly on SRT
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I just switched to srt this spring. GIANT pain in the ass to learn. But totally worth it.
Pros and Cons
2:24 Benefits to both SRS and MRS and it depends on the trees
MRS 2:46 Added benefit of coming in on long limb walks where you need to be able to tend the slack and pull in you weight - easier than SRS
SRS 8.59 Beats MRS for access as its easier on the body.
For more discussion see this link - Nick Grebe from Minneapolis Parks and Rec - he nails it in terms of how to combine each
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Nick's views: SRS good for ascent and for working in column type trees where you stay within 30 degrees of an imaginery plumb line from the anchor point, such as Conifers whereas MRS is good in smaller trees or when working wider off-plumb beyond 30 degrees
I totally agree with this view. Srs should not be labelled as 'an ellite'. I wish I'd had it sooner in my career.
Funny how it makes me feel like a newbie at my age !
I've been climbing a year now. I love chasing tops of tall white pine in Maine. I use a Blake's hitch to tie in but like everything you said. Where do I get started?
100% right mate
I'm learning now and I like hip thrusting up the tree .using a Blake's hitch and getting over my shaky legs lol
Thank You
In the UK we have to use two ropes due to Health and Safety executive and Working at Height law. One of our ropes must always be touching the ground.
Change is slow, the weight of history, and the pressure to make money really inhibit change. If it was all about fun, people would try everything just because. I started on Blake's hitch for 6 months because "you should know how to climb on just a rope". With that mentality we should all be making home made ropes, and forging carabiners, . . . which would actually be pretty cool.
You have convinced me
Great news, in 2 years time you can come and tell me how much easier it has made your life in bigger trees
Dan it would be a pleasure one day to come on and have a chat hopefully I can master srt and prolong my career 👍
Liked it hit the boss up, hes old school but just to walk up" thanx
Good points.
Yes, agreed!
Dan, Have you tried the 'Notch Jet-step' with your design of Knee Ascender climbing SRS? Does it work as well? I guess it might pop off the rope with the rotational force that you mentioned the foot ascender portion is subjected to in your previous video, though, if it doesn't, it might be even better? Thank you for your ridiculously excellent content!
Im teaching a new climber right now and i thought long about this subject. I decided that the new generation of climbers should learn SRS as a basic skill. SRS is just too convenient. To older climbers SRS seems so "new or exotic or highly technical" but when i teach the new guy he just takes it as another basic option. Changing climbing styles after many years can be DAUNTING. But when its ALL new to a new climber then its not such a tectonic change.
Hey...you got it wrong...old climber's see it as a fat waste of money on do dads and a sure waste of time due to over complicated rig ups which if dressed wrong can unfortunately kill you... so... every type of hook up is needed information to be effective climber
@@benjimandover8072 amen. There's something assuring a about tried and true robust methods
@@benjimandover8072 your not seriously called Ben Dover?
This is how I learnt to climb
I was taught blake's as double line off the bat, quickly learned srt and after only three years in the industry I'm a substitute crew lead ...
Hi! I am used to industrial rope access eiere you have a Main Line and a back up Line for redundancy and rescuing. I see tree climbers just use one Main Line (and the lanyard when using chain saw etc) What is the reason that tree climbers don’t use the «industrial standard»? What is your opinion about this theme?
I'm 6'0 220Ibs and 21 years old. I've been climbing for 2 years, I climb with a blake's hitch, and I do line clearance tree trimming. I don't know nothing about the new school stuff. My fellow climber at work brought in a zig-zag and asked me if I wanted to use it. And I said no, it just didn't sit well with me.
I own a tree care company and most of my climbers thought the same way. Until they tried SRS/SRT in a wide canopy that called for a lot of limb walking and transitioning. You should give it a try man. Stay safe 🤙
Im in school right now. We only touch on srs for half a day unfortunately and just for ascent. I would like to learn more about it.
it is a very gray area with regards to early training.
In collaboration with mentorship and progress in climbing career development it is most definitely a tool that should be taught.
A lot of climbers have a hard time setting up a high tie in from the ground. Stationary Rope Systems don't make a lot of sense to them for all the setup time. SRS is much more practical when you have a 120' tie in. MRS makes more sense for climbers that can only set 30' tie ins.
Hi mate. I have question. I've just started working as a arborist ive got my chainsaw course soon and climbing there after hopefully. My question is am I told to starting this career as im 36.
Ha.;-) You think you've got age related issues, i'm starting out as an arborist this year and i'm also turning 50! I'll be using SRS for access and Dynamic for moving about and work positioning to save my joints.
Hello, I was a less experienced climber in Hong Kong.
When I was in college, I had never taught about SRT.
However, I was asked to use SRT when I came to work at the very beginning.
I knew I could learn by myself, but I was wondering the question.
Why it couldn't be taught when I was studying?! LOL
Same here.
I tend to think of SRS for pruning and jobs that do not require spurs.
Are there any good options for using spurs and SRS? I can't imagine trying to cut and chunk down a spar without spurs.
People use SRS techniques and spurs all the time.
@@ClimbingArborist With foot ascendars?
@@larrysmall3521 I welded an old petzl foot ascender on to my spurs few years ago because the options to mount one permanently were too expensive for me. But before that I was just putting my spur on top of my foot ascender, works great
Even without a foot ascender SRT is real nice with spikes, just walk up the tree on your spikes tending your slack or throw your lanyard over your shoulder to self tend.
Personally like using it on pines, base tie srt walk up the stem on spikes hardly using a wire strop. Once I'm at the top I tie in single line with a running bowline, when you're chunking down log just leave a long tail on your bowline, descend and pull the tail to drop it down. Completely changed my climbing style especially on big ass pines, using drt originally and coming down with my rope and lockjack covered in sap got annoying real fast
Is there opportunities such as apprenticeships or internships for being a climbing arborist in Europe that you know of? (I'm from the US)
DRT for small trees and SRT big trees
Been doing tree work since 3 years now, would like to try srt, just one question, can I trust just my valdotin or distel to support me or should i have another device like rope wrench, zigzag and chicane, rope runner....
i bought a zigzag with a chicane for srt in the beginning (6 months ago) and i didn’t like the length of that so i bought a rope runner pro(couple of months ago)….rope runner is the ticket!😂
expensive but worth it…..
SRT doesnt work for line clearance very well. The trees are fairly tall and straight for the most part. You would fuck around with a throwball all day long if you were doing SRT. Line clearance is a very large part of this industry that doesn't get talked about at all by any youtuber I've ever seen. It should get talked about but it doesnt.
Not that I do many line clearances but for the majority of social media arborists it’s all about the gear and glamour mate. Not many are going to get into the gritty realities of it all. The shite jobs that hold the whole thing together, time pressures, bad weather etc. Line clearances won’t get a mention. A truth that they have either been fortunate enough to avoid or just don’t talk about is that for one good job you do you have to do half a dozen or more shite ones.
@@djb3v Where I live, every climber i know got his start trimming out power lines. I don't know of a single climber that hasn't done line clearance. It a production type environment and a lot of people simply cannot hack it.
Learn both and let the tree tell you which one to use. 😉
No links to srs videos??
Climbingarborist.com
I always teach my new guys srt right away and they become faster climbers than the people that still only climb drt
In the future consider opening your video with explaining what each discipline is, with an emphasis on the differences. Otherwise it's like comparing nuclear fission to fusion, without ever explaining the domple basic of each. It becomes nonsensical babble to the uninitiated viewer interested in the subject.
You can begin with SRS is... And works like this... And moving rope climbing is... And works like...
Just trying to help improve the content, not criticizing you.
Thank you for your effort.
Nah bro. Watch another video on that if u don’t get it. Why would he cover something if he’s already done multiple vids on it ?
I agree. I’m learning climbing from a former arborist of 12 years, 20 years ago; and TH-cam videos.
This video really didn’t help at all.
If you don’t already know what SRS and MRS climbing systems are then why are you watching this video, it’s not made for people without that knowledge. Hence not explaining
If you dont learn srt aka srs.....you are a fool.