John went from genuinely nervous, like a student giving a presentation, to being an equal and speaking with confidence, accepting conflict, and cracking jokes, even giving Mat a hard time every now and then. Love to see it!
@@MonsterPrincessLala I think it's confidence when Fuhnaff is responding to Matt calling him out on something he is equally at fault for doing in his own theories. It's just a good bit of back and forth. He has back down on parts of his theory that are wonky, but if he thinks his theory has merit he needs to he able to defend it long enough to continue to video and not have Matt trying to tear it apart on assumption and making decisions before the evidence is presented. Matt is just as able to be biased as anyone else and it feels good to hear someone call that out. On the videos where they just reacted without Fuhnaff, Matt came across very... dismissive before even getting to the evidence, as if he hasnt had some really out there claims himself.
@@Wandervenn completely agree with your viewpoint and I see what you see as well. I know they’re friends but it hurts my feelings sometimes the way they conversate lmao
Please no, things being such a mystery is what makes this franchise so special in my opinion. Scott revealing all the lore in detail would absolutely Ruin (pun intended) my love for FNAF
11:17 "If you're a hardcore fan of fnaf, you'll know that this isn't the first time we've seen an unmarked pile of dirt in this franchise" The state of this franchise *Was that the dirt of '79???*
Love how John’s 4 moods in this video are 1. Mad theory debating and defending of points. 2. Anticipation of criticism. 3.”mm.” “Mhm” “yeah” “ok” 4. “Play the video Mat!”
I love how Matt is pausing every other minute and John has to be like "I know what you're gonna ask, press play and everything will be answered in the next 15 seconds"
@@Hurricane_Tortilla_yt My OC is named Lillith Afton. She is the second eldest of the afton siblings. She knows piano, violin, Latin and mechanical stuff from being around animatronics. She is very protective of her younger siblings resulting her in fighting with Michael a lot. She also doesn't like William afton and is nervous that she'll end up like him. Bloody. More will come soon. Tbc.
John is a breath of fresh air, I like how he questions everything and comes up with his own ideas. His videos are excellent and he was super good in this live. I hope we see more of him with the Theorists.
Hard agree! Him being a newer player in the space gives him a fresh set of eyes that I genuinely appreciate. I he definitely challenges a lot of preconceived notions, but his theories are fun, he’s a personable guy, and there are worse things than having to ask questions about the silly bear game ;)
Everytime I watch one of these, I am reminded that I am at a point in my life where I can watch grown men argue about the foot shapes and number of toes of fictional animatronics, and I can follow the conversation without issue.
Especially if you look at how much he loved the first 5!games (go back and see both his original AND his revisiting videos, his love for the first 4 + sister location is insane, he has SO much fun). Its sad tbh
This is one of the most chaotic, and yet also most genuine feeling GTLives that i can think of. Towards the end of this stream (which totally could've been titled FNAF: Into Madness) it literally just felt like a group of friends having a friendly argument and i loved every second of it.
I know this was a joke and almost definitely not true but what if Into Madness was just a troll and the game is trying to find out what the game is, delving everyone into madness trying to figure out what the game is if that makes sense.
@@momsaccount4033 that's an optimistic idea. Cuz if he was really embarrassed y would he come on and hear feedback from the premier FNAf theorist? Ya embarassment is delusional
@@amazinggrace9073 The production of FNAF is essentially no longer in Scott's hands, but Steel Wool Studios. He is still technically a consultant, I think, and is credited for a lot of the work done (it's possible that his name on the books is purely due to his being the creator, rather than actually doing any writing). But after the 2020 elections he stepped away from the public eye, aka, retiring.
@@collectorofmyst2107I hate it man. I want him to come back… but with the current state of internet fandom that started around when he got “canceled” (ugh), I don’t blame him for retiring
@@collectorofmyst2107This is very much a lie. He's still the main writer of all the stories. (At least the main ones that actually matter). Stepping away from the public eye is NOT no longer being the lead narrative creative behind the franchise. It just means not interacting with the public. He just said he "retired" and went quiet for a long time to get the cancel culture lunatic POS' of his back.
This really shows how insane this game and its lore are, if you can spend an hour long reaction video mostly debating the shape of feet and number of toes you know you have gone too far down the rabbit hole. And even then matpat is already half mad because of this game, so you know it’s getting mad out there when even he wants no part of the argument
And considering that Matt's I think later theory about FNaF Scott (the in game game creator) story was wrote out in The Joy of Creation game :) using insanity and remnant as the basic ideas.
I love how they're arguing toes and body shape for if the Funtimes could be using illusion disks to be Nightmares, when the books straight up show the illusion disks can make very crappy robots on rails look like a human woman and child to a person. Illusion disks have so much plot power that the original thing doesn't have to look ANYTHING like what it's trying to look like
I think the big issue is its unclear what illusion discs actually do. Yeah it can look totally different but then you get to like, footprints and the like at which point you have to ask 'do they physically shift the fundamental shape of the matter at hand. In my opinion it'd be dumb if they do, but then you get into babies like 3 forms in the book of human, big baby, slender baby. Ultimately they're no desperately clear and in the franchise with faz goo I think getting straight answers on lore without massively cleaning up how these things work is always gonna lead to the issue theyve got right now.
I think arguing feet is really the only worthwhile argument for this particular instance simply because: the illusion discs are just an illusion. They don’t change what toes/feet the original animatronic has. If we were talking about the character fitting somewhere, that’s a different conversation for the same reason as above.
Because there’s an endo skeleton the toes feet and finger are the only real absolutes of the body. The illusion wraps around the endo so things like the number of limbs can’t be changed only the appearance of them if that makes sense
The illusion disk wouldn't change the footprint the animatronic would leave behind but yes I agree the body shape wouldn't matter. Still... how certain are we that scott actually cares about how many toes his animatronics have and keeping that consistant throughout retcons of his own lore (after dream theory and all).
I’m not gonna lie i love how unhinged this ep was. That’s my favorite thing about fnaf at this point, its that level of just candidness everyone has while discussing it
It used to be like “ok I know it’s confusing, but FNAF 2 is a prequel” and now it’s like “Well with the illusion disks and the Nightmares, who says the Funtimes can’t be the Twisteds” and nobody bats an eye
@@thephony1651 LOOK AT THE FEET! COUNT THE TOES!! We’re basically being indoctrinated into the furry community. Which I imagine is the only community aside from FNAF that cares this much about mascot toes.
Props to John for handling any criticism coming his way. I’d be sobbing if I had someone like Mat disproving something I came up with and felt confident-ish about. Go, John. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@aranara_song yes, but he’s used to it. John is newer to this larger platform and it really gets to him. Mat’s a veteran by this point. If it gets to him, he doesn’t show it or let us know.
@@aranara_song eh, he was pretty deeply affected in the past when he was a little more fresh into this. He’s doing better at handling it, but I just have a soft spot for the guy lol.
Whenever I try to talk about FNAF my friends ignore my ramblings. Sometimes it's nice to just hear folks having a conversation about the weird things in fnaf, even if it's just for the sake of a fun conversation. Love you guys, thanks for helping bring just a tiny bit of sanity into my life, despite how insane this whole video is (In the best way).
You can tell Matt’s sanity was really gone towards the end when even his figment of imagination behind the camera(Ash) was shoving prime to numb the pain.
John having his video being critiqued by MatPat next to him is the same kind of energy as my favorite teacher reading an essay I wrote and I’m here for it
i love how they only made it half way through the video, and matt has left twice, and it's over an hour long. also major sibling-parent vibes from the three!
Seeing two grown men argue with such passion about the foot shape/size of made up bear animatronics just cracks me up beyond belief, so glad I’ve stayed caught up with all the gang theories since Game Theory’s very first one😂
I genuinely like the idea that the fun times, which we know are below/near the Afton house, can be used as the nightmares. Instead of the nightmares being their own personal animatronics.
@@MajesticWHOO wish they would actually watch the whole video first, then go back and discuss key points. It's not fair to John for them to pick it apart before they even hear all of his points. I'm not a fan of how they laughed at him at times. I find Matt came off very smug/cocky in this video
@@MysticalDreams John's a grown adult man, he doesn't need complete strangers theorizing if his feelings were hurt. He can take care of himself. He's friends with these guys, stop being so judgemental.
Matpat and the gang spending an hour and a half breaking down reacting not to the video in question, but to realizing their methodology when solving FNAF
I love John- I’m so glad he’s putting his theories out there. It’s really reignited my interest in this franchise again 🙌🏼 I always watch Mat’s theories but I’m really excited about FNAF theories again in a new way. Thanks guys for coming together and collabing like this 🙏🏼
John's kinda right about that the feet are the only thing that matter with an illusion disk because the feet are the only thing that leave any kind of trace with foot prints. The body can be warped way more without there being any tells since it doesnt ever touch anything we see.
i think john is super lucky to be able to have these kind of conversations about the things he's really into. Sure there are plenty of disagreements between them but being able to bounce off these ideas and theories is already so fun and validating.
i love how this more-than-a-decade-old video game franchise makes grown men have mental breakdowns over sound illusions and frickin metal toes and foot shape
This is such a good team not only for discussion and theorizing, but they’re also just legitimately entertaining together. The FNAF men thing had me DYING.
40:50 I thought it was so sweet when Mat said the theory is "sloppily done" and John is like "You're right, I did a terrible job" And Mat is like "??? I didn't mean YOU" He was just gonna let Mat talk to him like that 😭 and Mat is like I would literally never insult you like that
I like that John constantly throw out different ideas, but that whole "what if he was in the hospital as a robot" thought probably could've benefited from a bit more time to cook before being proposed 😂
I love how this video is basically matpat having 20 strokes while trying to piece together everything in his mind, John is trying to help him understanding everything Thom is basically viding and being supportive
With the whole discussion on fnaf 3, Tom says that the evidence for the happiest day being about the crying child is the tear tracks on the ghost. But all the ghosts have tear tracks whenever you give them gifts. So fuhnaf might have a point
Oh I am delighted with that ending. They are all so tired but they _can't stop themselves_ from arguing about the lore of the game. I can only imagine how much got cut from their ramblings.
After listening to the conversation with more interest, it seems this was recorded before the final part of the timeline. I haven’t checked, but when they show the TH-cam page it might reveal when this was recorded. Might have been a little late in the editing oven
The main problem with this theory is the implication that, after fredbear's bite, they brought this kid into a hospital for head trauma, and none of the doctors realized "hey you know that kid they brought in with a gash on the side of his head? Yeah he seems to have wires under his skin"
Well also, a few other things in FNaF don't make sense. Like 5 kids follow some dude into a random employees' only room with a camera outside the room seeing everything going down and the 5 kids don't come back out and are said to be dead and they don't think to be like, "Oh yeah you know that dude with the obviously purple skin in the spring bonnie suit that lured a bunch of kids into the backroom and the children never came back out? Yeah, that dude might've just killed them".
@@honestlytrash6654 well the distinction here is they actually DO think it's him. But they neither have proof of what exactly he did nor if he even was the one in the costume, so he just gets to walk away out of technicality
@@honestlytrash6654 Is it confirmed that illusion discs only work on children? Otherwise, illusion discs could very well be effecting the medical staff
@@ericohm9474 ehhh not in the 80s, maybe late 90s and 2000s but hardcore dna forensics wasn’t big in police departments nationwide until 2000 and maybe a few years earlier
I was expecting a Garten of Ban Ban video, but was pleasantly surprised. I love episodes with John! Edit: JOHN AND TOM ARGUING WHILE ASH AND MAT ARE TALKING ABOUT DIET COKE IS AMAZING LMAO
Seems like it was recorded before the final timeline part as they mention it not being released yet, unless Mat is remaking the timeline for some reason
I love seeing John on the couch with MatPat and Tom. I still love this theory and just how well it works with the info. I hope to see more from John in the future and hope he can see past the hate from this theory to everyone that supports the love and effort into his version of the lore.
I love to see how John evolved through the past few month. Seeing him being shy and intimidated to him, cracking jokes and making Matt and Tom laughing like hell, it's very pleasant ! He's good, very good !
I clicked on this video so fast. 😂 I love seeing Mat, Tom & John together, it's so enjoyable to watch. I also noticed John seems to be getting more confident/comfortable than previous times on GTLive. This video was so fun to watch from beginning to end.
Like in the twisted ones, who captures Charlie in the main series: Lefty. This also fits with John’s idea of how the story fits in terms of Scott’s story telling, and Lefty is very similar looking to Funtime Freddy. Just a thought.
Watching John being paranoid of counter arguments is hilarious, his videos always bring interesting pov's to the current state of fnaf. Hope he can appear on GTLive more often in the future and gets that last bit more comfortable on the couch
I would have never started watching Markiplier if he hadn't played FNAF Vr. I would have never started watching Markiplier without Matpat. That is so awesome. Thanks Matpat!
Afton saying "I will put you back together" after the bite makes more sense if crying child is already a robot. Who puts a human back together? It makes more sense to put a broken robot back together. While William is out killing Charlie, human crying child is lured out of his room and is killed. This is after Elizabeth died, but since she already inhabited Baby, she cannot be 'put back together" in the same way crying child can. Crying child is a failed experiment during fnaf 4 because his brother gets him "killed". Idk, its a wild theory. This is going entirely off of the video so this is just me assuming based off of their points.
I think John figured out Security Breach Ruin DLC from this video. When he talks about how Funtime Freddy has a "mimic/luring" ability and the blob in Security Breach specifically uses Funtime Freddy's faceplate etc, I think what Matt said was true and that it's not Gregory calling for help at all. Instead it's Funtime Freddy AKA the blob mimicing Gregory instead.
The lengths the FNAF fanbase goes to make Scott's shoddy writing fit and make sense is admirable. I can't help but think that if other poorly written franchises ever had this level of fandom through obscure, random events happening out of chronological order, we would have had the most epic Season 8 of GoT.
Just to make a point: yes, Funtimes ARE nightmare animatronics. Sister location is literally below Afton’s house and Baby did admit they tried to run away before
i actually quite like his theory. especially with funtime freddy having illusion disks, the ability to take kids (like baby), and the proximity to the house (since sl is underneath) the parallels also make sense to me. especially since elizabeths favorite animatronic, which betrayed her, was baby. having funtime freddy disguised as the crying childs favorite animatronic to teach him a lesson could be what happenened. like elizabeth dies-> william gets paranoid and sends funtime freddy (disguised as golden freddy) to scare crying child, to see if he would make the same mistake as elizabeth and follow the animatronic. he would be captured and then “escape” with a new knowledge that golden animatronic bears are very dangerous and he needs to stay away. this is whats being referenced in the part where william in psycic friend fredbear says smt like remember what happened last time. and it would add to the fear he had when foxy bro (i think thats what hes called, also theorized to be kid michael) brought him to the golden freddy, he thought he was about to be swallowed in its stomach but instead he got chomped. only thing i dont know about is the window being broken, could have been to add to the fear factor. as for the nightmare animatronics, one thing i find intresting is that there was the theory we play as michael in fnaf 4. il right after his brother dies william uses the nightmares to make him fearful (and also partly as revenge) of both animatronic stomach openings (which killed his sister) and golden freddies (which killed his brother). just throwing it out there, idk though thats just my interpretation
Part of me sees how far these theories and how far fnaf has come and it just makes me applaud any game series that managed to just cut itself off before becoming as convoluted as this franchise has turned
this would be so much better if matt actually watched the full video first to understand what they are getting at then re-watching and asking questions at instead of asking a hundred questions every 2 minutes and not really getting anywhere for an hour
Honestly I can't wait for Matpat to see the cascade of videos by everyone on the Mimic. Fair warning MatPat, I saw a summary for the first story in Nexie...and it is rather disturbing. And the Mimic story itself... Well, there is some serious gore.
@@nationalpv he has? Interesting. But yeah, frankly for a kids book series the level of gore is something I'd expect in...well, either an 80s slaster series with a high budget, an italian horror production of that period, or a Troma film only played straight instead of for laughs.
John went from genuinely nervous, like a student giving a presentation, to being an equal and speaking with confidence, accepting conflict, and cracking jokes, even giving Mat a hard time every now and then. Love to see it!
It's because Mat openly allows conversation and it allows for back and forth
See he comes off as smug and cocky to me
@@MonsterPrincessLala hes adorable
@@MonsterPrincessLala I think it's confidence when Fuhnaff is responding to Matt calling him out on something he is equally at fault for doing in his own theories. It's just a good bit of back and forth. He has back down on parts of his theory that are wonky, but if he thinks his theory has merit he needs to he able to defend it long enough to continue to video and not have Matt trying to tear it apart on assumption and making decisions before the evidence is presented.
Matt is just as able to be biased as anyone else and it feels good to hear someone call that out. On the videos where they just reacted without Fuhnaff, Matt came across very... dismissive before even getting to the evidence, as if he hasnt had some really out there claims himself.
@@Wandervenn completely agree with your viewpoint and I see what you see as well. I know they’re friends but it hurts my feelings sometimes the way they conversate lmao
Matt clearly doesn't know that Midnight Motorist is about a man made out of cheese
Cheeto man strikes again.
roasted twice 😔
Nah, he made out of exotic butter
@@puan1211 HAHAHAHAHA
@@puan1211 caramelized
Every time John shows up, it's very much "showing the teacher your work."
He’s just like me fr 😭
Honestly these dudes 100% need to start a podcast. I could listen to straight unedited fnaf debates for HOURS
yesssss same
im an hour into the video. so far im confused and all they have been on about is toes
agree agree agree
Nah. Not everything needs a podcast. :(
The FNaF Boys (ft. Matthew Patthew, Tom Game Theory, John FuhNaff, Head Editor Dan)
Once the story is over (if it ever does) I needs Scott to put this all in a ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUE book explaining EVERYTHING.
Maybe give it a year after
Please no, things being such a mystery is what makes this franchise so special in my opinion. Scott revealing all the lore in detail would absolutely Ruin (pun intended) my love for FNAF
@Thomanski maybe till UCN so it will put to rest the Scott era of the games
I just need answers so I can move on!!
@@AshleyKitsunecott just needs to give us the timeline that he thinks is cannon, no need for explanation.
11:17 "If you're a hardcore fan of fnaf, you'll know that this isn't the first time we've seen an unmarked pile of dirt in this franchise" The state of this franchise
*Was that the dirt of '79???*
HAHAHA
I hate that I knew exactly what he was talking about
🤣🤣🤣
Love how John’s 4 moods in this video are
1. Mad theory debating and defending of points.
2. Anticipation of criticism.
3.”mm.” “Mhm” “yeah” “ok”
4. “Play the video Mat!”
FR, tho I don’t blame him for being so nervous lmao
an additional 5th mood "this is not my proudest moment"
I love how Matt is pausing every other minute and John has to be like "I know what you're gonna ask, press play and everything will be answered in the next 15 seconds"
Haha
The anti-matt
Hey, I made this fnaf fanfic. Wanna hear it? I can type it right here.
@@allaniadall9686sure
@@Hurricane_Tortilla_yt My OC is named Lillith Afton. She is the second eldest of the afton siblings. She knows piano, violin, Latin and mechanical stuff from being around animatronics. She is very protective of her younger siblings resulting her in fighting with Michael a lot. She also doesn't like William afton and is nervous that she'll end up like him. Bloody.
More will come soon. Tbc.
John is a breath of fresh air, I like how he questions everything and comes up with his own ideas. His videos are excellent and he was super good in this live. I hope we see more of him with the Theorists.
This was kinda a fucked up theory tho low key
I agree
@user-cj1gw3rx7gno fucked up as it just kinda doesn’t make sense.
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Hard agree! Him being a newer player in the space gives him a fresh set of eyes that I genuinely appreciate. I he definitely challenges a lot of preconceived notions, but his theories are fun, he’s a personable guy, and there are worse things than having to ask questions about the silly bear game ;)
Everytime I watch one of these, I am reminded that I am at a point in my life where I can watch grown men argue about the foot shapes and number of toes of fictional animatronics, and I can follow the conversation without issue.
XD Yup. I have this realization every like year or so jdjdjjd
A beautiful thing
Mark almost quitting FNAF games altogether until Matt told him to play VR is kinda crazy.
Especially if you look at how much he loved the first 5!games (go back and see both his original AND his revisiting videos, his love for the first 4 + sister location is insane, he has SO much fun).
Its sad tbh
Yeah I had no idea Mark had no desire... though I can't blame him. For me FNAF 6 ended it all and now everything now is just... something else
Thank you Matt for your service
Really? I feel it’s very obvious that Mark hates Fnaf, but still plays the games cause they will always get the best views for him.
@@shereekathleenn I thought he liked fnaf. Which is it then?
John is always so nervous while sitting on the couch 😂😂😂😂
Like a son showing his parents the project he made for school
Tom and John arguing while Ash and Matt leave the room is just great. I couldn't stop laughing
I thought he wasn't coming back it made me worry😅
Time stamp plss??
@@riduanaqil1452 Around 55:00
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Lool, that's really cute. They have become bff. :3
This is one of the most chaotic, and yet also most genuine feeling GTLives that i can think of. Towards the end of this stream (which totally could've been titled FNAF: Into Madness) it literally just felt like a group of friends having a friendly argument and i loved every second of it.
I know this was a joke and almost definitely not true but what if Into Madness was just a troll and the game is trying to find out what the game is, delving everyone into madness trying to figure out what the game is if that makes sense.
Matt is like the parent getting progressively more tired whilst his kids bicker about who’s right 😂
Watching John get embarrassed while they question his train of thought is always a treat
It's more of like omg he's asking me why. And blushes from the fangirl moment
@@stayfaded69 he’s not fangirling every time Matt pauses. That’s a delusional idea
@@momsaccount4033 that's an optimistic idea. Cuz if he was really embarrassed y would he come on and hear feedback from the premier FNAf theorist? Ya embarassment is delusional
No hes clearly embarassed
@@stayfaded69 optimism is the same as ignorance.
MatPat is definitely the skeptical yet supportive professor in this video and I am here for it.
Puts a smile on my face to see Matt collabing with Fuhnaff, John really deserves more recognition
WHY HAVE I SEEN YOU SO MANY FUCKING TIMES
Already?!
Jesus Christ. You watch every video on the goddamn planet.
You have an addiction to literally everyone that I am subscribed to
please. stop stalking me.
Even though Scott is retired I can still imagine him laughing at the fact he’s made a generation listen to men count toes and read mid core books
How is he retired but still releasing games ? And a movie ?
@@amazinggrace9073 The production of FNAF is essentially no longer in Scott's hands, but Steel Wool Studios. He is still technically a consultant, I think, and is credited for a lot of the work done (it's possible that his name on the books is purely due to his being the creator, rather than actually doing any writing). But after the 2020 elections he stepped away from the public eye, aka, retiring.
@@collectorofmyst2107I hate it man. I want him to come back… but with the current state of internet fandom that started around when he got “canceled” (ugh), I don’t blame him for retiring
He's not actually retired. He just said he did and went quiet for a while to get the crazies off his back.
@@collectorofmyst2107This is very much a lie. He's still the main writer of all the stories. (At least the main ones that actually matter). Stepping away from the public eye is NOT no longer being the lead narrative creative behind the franchise. It just means not interacting with the public. He just said he "retired" and went quiet for a long time to get the cancel culture lunatic POS' of his back.
This really shows how insane this game and its lore are, if you can spend an hour long reaction video mostly debating the shape of feet and number of toes you know you have gone too far down the rabbit hole. And even then matpat is already half mad because of this game, so you know it’s getting mad out there when even he wants no part of the argument
And considering that Matt's I think later theory about FNaF Scott (the in game game creator) story was wrote out in The Joy of Creation game :) using insanity and remnant as the basic ideas.
I love how they're arguing toes and body shape for if the Funtimes could be using illusion disks to be Nightmares, when the books straight up show the illusion disks can make very crappy robots on rails look like a human woman and child to a person. Illusion disks have so much plot power that the original thing doesn't have to look ANYTHING like what it's trying to look like
I think the big issue is its unclear what illusion discs actually do. Yeah it can look totally different but then you get to like, footprints and the like at which point you have to ask 'do they physically shift the fundamental shape of the matter at hand.
In my opinion it'd be dumb if they do, but then you get into babies like 3 forms in the book of human, big baby, slender baby. Ultimately they're no desperately clear and in the franchise with faz goo I think getting straight answers on lore without massively cleaning up how these things work is always gonna lead to the issue theyve got right now.
True
I think arguing feet is really the only worthwhile argument for this particular instance simply because: the illusion discs are just an illusion. They don’t change what toes/feet the original animatronic has. If we were talking about the character fitting somewhere, that’s a different conversation for the same reason as above.
Because there’s an endo skeleton the toes feet and finger are the only real absolutes of the body. The illusion wraps around the endo so things like the number of limbs can’t be changed only the appearance of them if that makes sense
The illusion disk wouldn't change the footprint the animatronic would leave behind but yes I agree the body shape wouldn't matter. Still... how certain are we that scott actually cares about how many toes his animatronics have and keeping that consistant throughout retcons of his own lore (after dream theory and all).
Another deep adventure into the Ultimate Custom Night-type mayhem that goes on in John’s brain
Eyy! Another theorist. Any thoughts on the new teaser for the ruin DLC?
woah hey hello
We love to see it
I’m not gonna lie i love how unhinged this ep was. That’s my favorite thing about fnaf at this point, its that level of just candidness everyone has while discussing it
It used to be like “ok I know it’s confusing, but FNAF 2 is a prequel” and now it’s like “Well with the illusion disks and the Nightmares, who says the Funtimes can’t be the Twisteds” and nobody bats an eye
@@thephony1651 LOOK AT THE FEET! COUNT THE TOES!!
We’re basically being indoctrinated into the furry community. Which I imagine is the only community aside from FNAF that cares this much about mascot toes.
@@salvsays fnaf fans and furries are basically the same thing tbh
@@Twisterio2 it would explain the fan base. I didnt know that. Im only one of those things. Lol
Props to John for handling any criticism coming his way. I’d be sobbing if I had someone like Mat disproving something I came up with and felt confident-ish about. Go, John. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I mean, MatPat has had to deal with his fair share of criticism as well. It comes with the theory territory
@@aranara_song yes, but he’s used to it. John is newer to this larger platform and it really gets to him. Mat’s a veteran by this point. If it gets to him, he doesn’t show it or let us know.
@@Squeegeeeeeeeeeeee I understand that but also John seemed pretty confident when retaliating. It didn't seem as though it affected him as much.
@@aranara_song eh, he was pretty deeply affected in the past when he was a little more fresh into this. He’s doing better at handling it, but I just have a soft spot for the guy lol.
@@Squeegeeeeeeeeeeee i see hehe but he can hold his own pretty well. And unfortunately in this climate he has to learn to have thick skin
Whenever I try to talk about FNAF my friends ignore my ramblings. Sometimes it's nice to just hear folks having a conversation about the weird things in fnaf, even if it's just for the sake of a fun conversation. Love you guys, thanks for helping bring just a tiny bit of sanity into my life, despite how insane this whole video is (In the best way).
Screw political debates, just watching these guys argue is stressful enough
I love that Mat was about to disagree with what John said until Jon reminded him it was part of one of his own theories previously lmaooooo
Time stamp?
@@STAG3DRAMA18:06
@@Weep1ngWillow ty ty!
@@STAG3DRAMA np
He wasn't though, he was only weirded out by the cut and the way Jon said "Funtime Freddy"
You can tell Matt’s sanity was really gone towards the end when even his figment of imagination behind the camera(Ash) was shoving prime to numb the pain.
John having his video being critiqued by MatPat next to him is the same kind of energy as my favorite teacher reading an essay I wrote and I’m here for it
i love how they only made it half way through the video, and matt has left twice, and it's over an hour long.
also major sibling-parent vibes from the three!
Seeing two grown men argue with such passion about the foot shape/size of made up bear animatronics just cracks me up beyond belief, so glad I’ve stayed caught up with all the gang theories since Game Theory’s very first one😂
Truly an art form..
Imagine historians seeing this in 50 years..
@@3r0deimagine this being the only surviving remnant of the human race ans this is what aliens see
@@Something_Godzilla
Alien one: “It seems that that feet was a vital part to human culture”
Alien two: “perhaps a religious one…”
@3r0de hahaha I mean it applies to some people
@@Something_Godzilla pff
I genuinely like the idea that the fun times, which we know are below/near the Afton house, can be used as the nightmares. Instead of the nightmares being their own personal animatronics.
I do also wish they were a little nicer to John. He seems frustrated and not like he’s having much fun at some points.
@@MajesticWHOO wish they would actually watch the whole video first, then go back and discuss key points. It's not fair to John for them to pick it apart before they even hear all of his points. I'm not a fan of how they laughed at him at times. I find Matt came off very smug/cocky in this video
@@MajesticWHOO literally what I’m saying bruh
They are nice to john, why do ya'll take every bit of criticism as being mean, its not their fault he was making faulty claims
@@MysticalDreams John's a grown adult man, he doesn't need complete strangers theorizing if his feelings were hurt. He can take care of himself. He's friends with these guys, stop being so judgemental.
Matpat and the gang spending an hour and a half breaking down reacting not to the video in question, but to realizing their methodology when solving FNAF
I love John- I’m so glad he’s putting his theories out there. It’s really reignited my interest in this franchise again 🙌🏼 I always watch Mat’s theories but I’m really excited about FNAF theories again in a new way. Thanks guys for coming together and collabing like this 🙏🏼
John's kinda right about that the feet are the only thing that matter with an illusion disk because the feet are the only thing that leave any kind of trace with foot prints.
The body can be warped way more without there being any tells since it doesnt ever touch anything we see.
I love how these three bounce off eachother we really are getting closer and closer
closer to what?
@@mc-inversal7069 solving the lore
@@Chumpy_1 FOR REAL
@@Chumpy_1 LOOOORRREEE
That ending was hilarious. John is to MatPat what MatPat is to the world. Overindundated with theories, and best consumed with breaks LOL
I love that John seems less nervous than the other times, they really get along together and it shows :,)
i can’t believe that we’ve been talking about this franchise for nearly a decade and we’re back to counting toes
honestly love the dynamic and vibe of this trio. I hope we can get more of these three just interacting and brainstorming
I LOVE that the moment (20:44) Video John said "hang onto your seats" they all grabbed into the couch without a single word.
i think john is super lucky to be able to have these kind of conversations about the things he's really into. Sure there are plenty of disagreements between them but being able to bounce off these ideas and theories is already so fun and validating.
i love how this more-than-a-decade-old video game franchise makes grown men have mental breakdowns over sound illusions and frickin metal toes and foot shape
Fnaf 1 was only made in 2014 my guy
@@orangeinkius7257 it was made in 2019 bro?😂
@@The_narrator4 whar?
@@The_narrator4 huh
@@The_narrator4 not even close
I love how it feels like genuine conversation of three insane fnafers who just throw ideas, I adore them
This is such a good team not only for discussion and theorizing, but they’re also just legitimately entertaining together. The FNAF men thing had me DYING.
John and Tom bickering about robot toes while Matt leaves for a drink is literally my brain cells trying to be productive.
I relate to john more than almost anyone else. The way he holds himself in places that may cause anxiety reminds me of myself.
I could sit and watch them debate forever. THIS is what I wanted during the livestream - intense lore conversation.
40:50 I thought it was so sweet when Mat said the theory is "sloppily done" and John is like "You're right, I did a terrible job" And Mat is like "??? I didn't mean YOU"
He was just gonna let Mat talk to him like that 😭 and Mat is like I would literally never insult you like that
I am so in love with this dynamic. Also, John's confidence-building is wonderful, also... he makes some VERY strong points!!
I like that John constantly throw out different ideas, but that whole "what if he was in the hospital as a robot" thought probably could've benefited from a bit more time to cook before being proposed 😂
I could genuinely listen to them talk about fnaf for hours and hours
It's so unnaturally relaxing
Same
I do 😅
I love how this video is basically matpat having 20 strokes while trying to piece together everything in his mind, John is trying to help him understanding everything Thom is basically viding and being supportive
I always enjoy the difficult discussions they have when theorizing about or trying to make connections in FNAF lore.
With the whole discussion on fnaf 3, Tom says that the evidence for the happiest day being about the crying child is the tear tracks on the ghost. But all the ghosts have tear tracks whenever you give them gifts. So fuhnaf might have a point
And if I missed something, please tell me, I'm just commenting what I remember about it
Oh I am delighted with that ending. They are all so tired but they _can't stop themselves_ from arguing about the lore of the game. I can only imagine how much got cut from their ramblings.
Matt’s reaction to Tom and John’s toe argument is such amazing dad energy
I love it so much
"so what has that taught us?"
Is it me or does Matt and John
have a weirdly beautiful father-son reationship
Maybe Matpat as an older brother, not a father 🙃
it feels like the same dynamic as tony stark and peter parker from the MCU films
@@decimalheckery5737 EXACTLY LIKE THAT YEAH
I totally agree!❤
John is going to be the reason we see MatPat in a straight jacket. 😂
I love how much you guys welcome and celebrate other creators taking up room in this space you carved out
Between Layers of Fear coming back, Sonic’s death not being solved, and Ruin DLC teaser releasing, this came out of left field. Good surprise attack 👌
Layers of fear is coming back!?! The first layers of fear is my favorite psychological horror game!
Layers of Fear is back?????
Yeah! H20Delerious did a video on the new demo of it! I hope Gtlive does a video on it, it’s my favorite steam series that they’ve done
After listening to the conversation with more interest, it seems this was recorded before the final part of the timeline. I haven’t checked, but when they show the TH-cam page it might reveal when this was recorded. Might have been a little late in the editing oven
Word
Yes Jon. Keep making him continue the video! We need someone to slap Matt's hand away from the spacebar sometimes
The main problem with this theory is the implication that, after fredbear's bite, they brought this kid into a hospital for head trauma, and none of the doctors realized "hey you know that kid they brought in with a gash on the side of his head? Yeah he seems to have wires under his skin"
Well also, a few other things in FNaF don't make sense. Like 5 kids follow some dude into a random employees' only room with a camera outside the room seeing everything going down and the 5 kids don't come back out and are said to be dead and they don't think to be like, "Oh yeah you know that dude with the obviously purple skin in the spring bonnie suit that lured a bunch of kids into the backroom and the children never came back out? Yeah, that dude might've just killed them".
@@honestlytrash6654 well the distinction here is they actually DO think it's him. But they neither have proof of what exactly he did nor if he even was the one in the costume, so he just gets to walk away out of technicality
@@cyan3714 mostly because forensic science doesn't exist in this world. They absolutely would have caught him IRL
@@honestlytrash6654 Is it confirmed that illusion discs only work on children? Otherwise, illusion discs could very well be effecting the medical staff
@@ericohm9474 ehhh not in the 80s, maybe late 90s and 2000s but hardcore dna forensics wasn’t big in police departments nationwide until 2000 and maybe a few years earlier
I love how every time someone says “theory” and Mat responds “A GAME THEORY” it keeps devolving more and more into incoherent grunting
These types of videos really do feel like John is presenting his thesis and its getting peer reviewed 💀
Haha, this trio will never get old I swear (plus the voice in Matt's head, can't forget about her)
I was expecting a Garten of Ban Ban video, but was pleasantly surprised. I love episodes with John!
Edit: JOHN AND TOM ARGUING WHILE ASH AND MAT ARE TALKING ABOUT DIET COKE IS AMAZING LMAO
HELP TIMESTAMP?
@@liaishere1334 IT STARTS AROUND 55:30
Lol
Seems like it was recorded before the final timeline part as they mention it not being released yet, unless Mat is remaking the timeline for some reason
@@purplecat6578 Well, the existence of the Mimic might be enough to make Mat and the team redo the whole kit and caboodle. . .
I love seeing John on the couch with MatPat and Tom. I still love this theory and just how well it works with the info. I hope to see more from John in the future and hope he can see past the hate from this theory to everyone that supports the love and effort into his version of the lore.
Tbh I just hope they start treating John with a lil more respect 😭 they seem so cocky and smug towards him rn
@@I0n_GD Matt seemed to be happy to engage, Tom just seemed super smug and dismissive.
@@ketsiaiitan Matt seemed hella cocky but that’s just my opinion lol
Watching Matt and Jhon argue about the pile of dirt is like watching the two smart people in class argue about whose answer is correct
I love to see how John evolved through the past few month. Seeing him being shy and intimidated to him, cracking jokes and making Matt and Tom laughing like hell, it's very pleasant ! He's good, very good !
Matt, pat could always make me laugh when I’m feeling sad
37:32 The silence before matpat just cracks and starts dying laughing is taking me out 😂.
I clicked on this video so fast. 😂 I love seeing Mat, Tom & John together, it's so enjoyable to watch. I also noticed John seems to be getting more confident/comfortable than previous times on GTLive. This video was so fun to watch from beginning to end.
I love the pauses as they (contemplate their life choices) try to process the absurdities each other are saying
5:25 as soon as he pointed my "battery low" notif popped up. I jus found that amazing
Like in the twisted ones, who captures Charlie in the main series: Lefty.
This also fits with John’s idea of how the story fits in terms of Scott’s story telling, and Lefty is very similar looking to Funtime Freddy. Just a thought.
Watching John being paranoid of counter arguments is hilarious, his videos always bring interesting pov's to the current state of fnaf.
Hope he can appear on GTLive more often in the future and gets that last bit more comfortable on the couch
I really needed the positive energy these 4 exude when they're together in a room! Especially after binging Happy Sugar Life...
I genuinely enjoyed the foot debate, when MatPat noped out of there 😂
I appreciate that John not only asks questions, but reevaluates his own theories and can critique himself.
John, Tom, Ash and Matpat in one same section is basically the best chaotic section ever !!!
I would have never started watching Markiplier if he hadn't played FNAF Vr. I would have never started watching Markiplier without Matpat. That is so awesome. Thanks Matpat!
Afton saying "I will put you back together" after the bite makes more sense if crying child is already a robot. Who puts a human back together? It makes more sense to put a broken robot back together. While William is out killing Charlie, human crying child is lured out of his room and is killed. This is after Elizabeth died, but since she already inhabited Baby, she cannot be 'put back together" in the same way crying child can. Crying child is a failed experiment during fnaf 4 because his brother gets him "killed".
Idk, its a wild theory. This is going entirely off of the video so this is just me assuming based off of their points.
I think John figured out Security Breach Ruin DLC from this video. When he talks about how Funtime Freddy has a "mimic/luring" ability and the blob in Security Breach specifically uses Funtime Freddy's faceplate etc, I think what Matt said was true and that it's not Gregory calling for help at all. Instead it's Funtime Freddy AKA the blob mimicing Gregory instead.
Spot on my guy, (just not the blob yk)
I love how much fun you guys have with this, I love when y'all get together it's absolutely entertaining.
John's confidence growing to the point that he and Mat now gently bully each other is the best development.
John is just there being like, yep ok
And then matpat and Tom are like, time to ask existential questions that will give you a crisis.. on FNAF lore
The lengths the FNAF fanbase goes to make Scott's shoddy writing fit and make sense is admirable. I can't help but think that if other poorly written franchises ever had this level of fandom through obscure, random events happening out of chronological order, we would have had the most epic Season 8 of GoT.
I could happily watch hours of this xD I really hope they make more behind the scenes theorycrafting videos!
Just to make a point: yes, Funtimes ARE nightmare animatronics. Sister location is literally below Afton’s house and Baby did admit they tried to run away before
Mat, Tom, and John... it's so good to see you three do things together! You guys are so funny and fun XD
i actually quite like his theory. especially with funtime freddy having illusion disks, the ability to take kids (like baby), and the proximity to the house (since sl is underneath) the parallels also make sense to me. especially since elizabeths favorite animatronic, which betrayed her, was baby. having funtime freddy disguised as the crying childs favorite animatronic to teach him a lesson could be what happenened. like elizabeth dies-> william gets paranoid and sends funtime freddy (disguised as golden freddy) to scare crying child, to see if he would make the same mistake as elizabeth and follow the animatronic. he would be captured and then “escape” with a new knowledge that golden animatronic bears are very dangerous and he needs to stay away. this is whats being referenced in the part where william in psycic friend fredbear says smt like remember what happened last time. and it would add to the fear he had when foxy bro (i think thats what hes called, also theorized to be kid michael) brought him to the golden freddy, he thought he was about to be swallowed in its stomach but instead he got chomped. only thing i dont know about is the window being broken, could have been to add to the fear factor. as for the nightmare animatronics, one thing i find intresting is that there was the theory we play as michael in fnaf 4.
il right after his brother dies william uses the nightmares to make him fearful (and also partly as revenge) of both animatronic stomach openings (which killed his sister) and golden freddies (which killed his brother). just throwing it out there, idk though thats just my interpretation
Love seeing all 3 of them on the couch together 👍
This is probably the most chaotic discussion of FNAF lore I’ve ever witnessed
This trio is absolute chaos and I love it 😂
Yay! I'm always so excited to see these three together!
Part of me sees how far these theories and how far fnaf has come and it just makes me applaud any game series that managed to just cut itself off before becoming as convoluted as this franchise has turned
this would be so much better if matt actually watched the full video first to understand what they are getting at then re-watching and asking questions at instead of asking a hundred questions every 2 minutes and not really getting anywhere for an hour
The chemistry between these three is fantastic! More please.
Honestly I can't wait for Matpat to see the cascade of videos by everyone on the Mimic.
Fair warning MatPat, I saw a summary for the first story in Nexie...and it is rather disturbing. And the Mimic story itself...
Well, there is some serious gore.
Mats just going to ignore them because the books are nothing but "parallels" to him
@@Skibbutz really? He uses the books as evidence in his theories all the time
@@Skibbutz he already said that he will talk about the Mimic in a theory. Like seriously dude.
@@Wwhdduendjdhhfmwosdn no, don’t listen to that guy.
@@nationalpv he has? Interesting. But yeah, frankly for a kids book series the level of gore is something I'd expect in...well, either an 80s slaster series with a high budget, an italian horror production of that period, or a Troma film only played straight instead of for laughs.