BNC#6: Phil Craig - Cape Independence is an essential survival strategy
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- During his keynote address at BNC#6 in Hermanus, Phil Craig asserted the viability and necessity of Cape Independence. The Referendum Party leader highlighted the threat of African nationalists and the Western Cape's economic struggles under national governance. Craig urged action, emphasising the need for a referendum, contending that the DA's reluctance poses the main obstacle. He advocated for supporting the Referendum Party to pressure the DA while cooperating with them. Craig emphasised that 2024 voting would determine the region's future.
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Epic ☀️🌴. We need to be reminded what’s at stake. Thank you Mr Craig 🙏🏻
Great speech. I've been a believer since the first time I heard Phil Craig explain it. Cape independence has to happen, and the Referendum Party will get my vote.
You will be just splitting the DA vote. Cape independence is a pipe dream. The people actually needed to get a positive vote are not buying into this thing. Cape independence is a dream shared by a few. The rest of Cape Town & WC still experience the same ills like the rest of SA. This is a numbers game & they don't add up. Another thing I've also listened to Phil on other platforms, and he is actually dismissive of issues that will get a buy-in from the bulk of voters needed if this thing ever happens.
And another thing, actually, even most white people I know who live in Cape Town don't support this.
Same here.
The Referendum Party only scraped through signatures to get on the ballot on the last day. The Cape Independence party only got 200 signatures. Where are the votes gonna come from.
@@s.s.nxumaloThe Cape Independence Party is not a single issue party, they have policies post Independence and want to govern. The referendum party only wants a referendum to allow the Western Cape people to Democratically decide what they want. You can't compare them. Please inform yourself better and stop spreading disinformation.
@rachelletobias7402 I am informed. I know that the Referendum party is a single issue, and Cape independence is not. However, Cape independence is not on the ballot. If you actually read to understand my comment, you'll see this. The gist of my comment is that where are the numbers gonna come from since Referendum party just scraped to get on ballot and Cape independence failed to make the ballot.
The people will decide.
Good speech Phil, pity that so many voters do not see the better future as an independent state. Do they really believe that life would be better with an ANC/EFF national government?
I am disheartened by such a lack of vision.
You are still stuck in the Matrix. Voting away from DA might cause DA to lose key metros and back to ANC. It is a fine balance. Ideally Cape independence is the best solution but not at the cost of short term losses
Or DA/ANC coalition
@@intellifly747 The DA had a opportunity to call a referendum alongside the coming elections, and they decided against calling for one, they believe their time will be better served gunning for more votes in the rest of SA neglecting the Western Cape voter that still pledged some sort of loyalty to them, Their seeds are being planted on Barron ground( RSA)... So they chose to risk the Western Cape people at their own expense..., so what must be.... must be...! May God the father can help us🙏
@@davidoctober788 I don't understand you....
You ask an imaginary being for help and guidance, and yet he sent you a political party that isn't corrupt to the core, isn't afraid to take on the taxi bosses, gives clean municipal audits after clean municipal audit, cities and towns that are clean, and creates income and jobs for people, and yet you are prepared to move away from that in support of Phil Craig.
Now let me tell you a little something about Phil Craig.
He isn't South African. So immediately I wonder what his motivation is for discussing anything related to South African governance.
He is English, and it was the English who a.) Created the first laws that led to Apartheid in the early parts of the 19th century; b.) Started the Groot Trek because the white settlers didn't want to be governed by a European monarchy, which is why they came to South Africa; c.) Started all the animosity between White and Black South Africans by causing the Xhosa and Zulu Wars; d.) Left thousands of Boer women and children to rot with disease and starve to death in Concentration Camps in the Second Anglo-Boer War and they still over 100 years later deny they ever did anything wrong; e.) Through a politically connected PR Firm in London, sought to assist Jacob Zuma with spin doctoring, thus creating the Radical Economic Transformation cabal, which seeks to murder all white people in this country, and led indirectly to the July 2021 Riots where more than 300 South Africans were killed, billions of Rands lost in damages and theft, countless businesses closed and lost, and countless more people left unemployed.
You trust Phil Craig over the DA?
Well then maybe we do need god's help, sooner rather than later.....
Because I will trust Jacob Zuma before I trust an English person. I will vote ANC before I let an English person tell South Africa how to govern itself, and I will subjugate my children to the Mugabe wannabes in the EFF before I allow Phil Craig and his bunch of hypocritical, dishonest Lords and Ladies of the British Empire any where near a ballot paper in this country.
Indeed, may god help us all if you're too ignorant to know what English people have done to this country and her people.
Definitely will get my vote .
Western Cape will get independence on the back of KZN independence. Once ANC loses KZN they will want their independence.
I think so too. Zupthas plan I think
Excellent point
Voting for the Referendum Party is the only solution to force the DA to call for a Referendum and hopefully get Allan Windgat voted out of his almighty position.
The DA lost my vote years ago.
Penuel the Black Pen, a prolific Zulu podcaster has spoken about the possibility of the Great Zululand gaining it’s Freedom of Self Governance before the Western Cape does, I say we do it simultaneously💯🫡✊🏾
What!! So Cape Independence is dependent on KZN independence? 😳
Now I'm starting to doubt the RP 🤔
The best opportunity to get rid of destruction from a once lavish country. Let's keep the Western Cape in its beautiful current state. We're behind you Phil, thank you for spreading these positive words of hope to our people. Vote Referendum Party for Peace of mind. I'll definitely do MY part!!
Lavish for who??? ahh white people.
Race talk aside, fact is that central governance has never worked in this country. From the British to the Afrikaner and now the African, all failed in central governance. It’s never been the way as history proves so yes, I’m all for independent provincial governance
White South Africans in the Western Cape acknowledge that the chances of gaining power over the country again are very low. They decided to break away from the rest of South Africa because they do not want to be governed by black people. They justify their choice by expressing their wish for independence from the ANC leadership because they feel suppressed. Even though the apartheid government oppressed the country's residents, it is curious that those in the Western Cape did not feel the urge to secede because they were benefiting from it. Since 1994, the ANC has never managed to achieve a victory in the Western Cape, underscoring a notable fact. I sympathize with Cape Coloureds in the Western Cape for supporting whites; they seem to have forgotten that Coloured people were marginalized during apartheid and have been influenced by oppressors to see themselves as superior to black people. This is why they opt to be governed by white individuals, thinking they are superior to black South Africans
@@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi Someone suggested that the ANC government could make the EC and the WC one province. I don't know if this is really a good idea, but as I can see that the colonialists are fighting back now, I would support it.
@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi . Your angle of looking on SA problem is very skewed. Look maybee at facts and not at some of the facts.
Outdated forced ideological applications of economic and socialist laws by ANC, resulted in destruction of whole country.
Color of your skin you cannot choice. How you think, what choices you make is complex work of everybody brain. It is up to you develop this power and benefit from this eventually.
🤔
@@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi an illiterate perspective.
@@selousscout9664 Cape Independent is a delusional perspective, as we all know that will never happen
We can have the future of our dreams, but then we will have to vote for it! RP all the way!
Thanks Phil. We are behind you all the way.
No land will in Africa be an independent country for European. Forget about it i can tell you. Western Cape is our land, if you all have problem with that, you can go to Europe and ask for a piece of land there where this Phil Graig is coming from. He's a foreigner here coming to tell us what to do with our country. F him and all that support his nonsense. Europeans so obnoxious and really undermining Africans to an extent that they believe that they can just come to Africa and just do as they wish even if is to claim piece of land. This is really disgusting
It has become an essential incident. I am constantly unpleasant because of my helplessness due to gov mess
I believe that the WC will move in a different direction than the rest of SA in the future.
And KZN
After the DA supporters vote for the DA they will realise their vote has been for the ANC as the DA go into coalition with the ANC. Then the necessity of Cape Independence will become relevant.
Due to demographic changes, it's impossible for Cape Independence now. Arguably 2009 was the last chance but maybe 2014 it would of been possible.
I would argue KZN independence is more likely but slim chance of it taking place.
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj No, not yet. Even with those demographic changes, most people in the WC still vote DA.
@@joedonner9476DA will lose votes in WC
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj Partly agree. Demographics are still good if you can co-opt a credible Coloured leader as the face of the campaign. Agree KZN is the route to Cape Independence as they would imply power and violence which will be met with appeasement from the S.A. government.
DA voters now have the opportunity to add more weight to their vote.
A vote for the RP is still a vote for a DA led Western Cape government with one added benefit being that the voters will now get the opportunity to hold a referendum.
The MOST important point is at 14:36 on the DA's zero progress towards devolution in the Cape. The chances of Federalism is equally slim. But, the very idea of a referendum is extremely hated by black pan-Africans.
Pan Africanists or African Nationalists, are a minority in the Western Cape. The people of the Western Cape have always voted towards a Western and more capitalist culture.
Quite the contrary, the DA is the biggest hurdle not black pan-Africans, those ones can hate as much as they want, they're negligible on this matter.
You have my vote and that of my whole family
Something like the UAE will do wonders for the whole of South Africa. Well done Craig.
Go for it but I understand the DA’s position. Would be suicidal on the national stage for them to support this.
I think the DA will be watching support from places like Umngeni and surrounding areas where Pappas has been an absolute superstar for the people, if the DA doesn't win from the Umngeni area they may aswell give up national ambitions at that point.
The IEC electorial map does break the voter counts per metropolitan area even though it's not the municipal elections in case someone here asks.
DA losing popularity in WC.
DA career politicians don't really have our best interests at heart, just like career politicians are. They will bend with the wind, and Cape independence is brewing up a storm.
Alan Winde is not in National Government, yet is the most vicious in denying the Western Cape people the right to decide.
I am voting Cape Independence in WC and UIM nationally
Wow, suddenly Cape Independence looks like a possibility and an alternative solution for the Western Cape and it's place and space in a future South Africa.
If the idea of Cape Independence is a genuine concept for the goodwill of all the people of the Western Cape regardless of race colour or creed and not a desperate attempt to preserve white privilege a' referendum solution' makes sense.
A DA/IDM led multi party coalition of all left wing liberal party's could make this a workable solution.
I'm in.
I've watched it all my life. People from Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, etc., moved down to Rhodesia, then everyone left there when it became Zimbabwe, came south and now it's down to the Cape. Surely at some stage there has to be a realisation that you either leave Africa or learn to live with the Africans and expect bad government, taking care of your own needs as you see fit. Population growth alone surely tells you that eventually the Cape will also be swamped and all this will be for nothing.
The fact that U confirm & use the words that WE ALL must expect bad government, is shocking & tells me all i & majority of South Africans/ Africans need to know about Yr Intellect & way of thinking,
The ONLY reason that Cape Independence/ Cape Exit has been presented as a possible option is because, South Africa is governed by a Party called the ANC, they we’re handed a Kingdom of South Africa on a Silver Platter, they have driven this beautiful thriving country into the ground & its Citizens are suffering for it,
So yes if it did come to it, i myself may think of possibly relocating to the Cape, if change does not come after this years elections, because as a business owner who used to own 3 businesses, i employed 347 staff, during covid & now the continuing loadshedding i have had to close 2 of those businesses, regrettable, i tried everything to Save those 2 businesses, i even Sold my house that my family lived in, to carry the Wages for another 4 months in hope we can trade out of the situation, but sadly with loadshedding, it has destroyed our economy, i regrettably let go of 310 staff members, people who i called family, because most of them worked & help me build those 2 businesses for over 14years, now I’m trying to save my last business,
Yr thought process is shocking, All the Cape Independence/ Cape Exit wants is for the Cape to be able to Govern themselves & not answer to a Ruling Government in Pta, who does not care about their Citizens,
U should actually rethink yr message u posted & then delete it, because if we do not have a New Government later this year, I’m afraid we are heading the Route of Zimbabwe & that is a Fact, this has absolutely nothing to do with the “West”, if that’s how U think, then U clearly are a Racist yrself, we do NOT need people like U,
I don’t agree - independence is the answer for the Cape but it has to be achieved legally.
Cape Independence is impossible now due to demographic changes. Blacks will be majority by 2029. Coloureds were over 70% in 1994, and NOW down to 42% and the black population is 39% in 2022 as per the last western cape census in 2022.
@@Truthseeker-iz3djif they are registered to vote in WC. they belong here, irrelevant of color
Hazel this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with "living with Africans". As a hard working tax payer, if you are willing to settle for less then ok- but We want a place where good governance is the New Normal. This Independance includes blacks, coloureds, whites and *everybody* who wants a better future. I lived abroad for 9 years and am back to work for a better future.
This will feel sad honestly and I'll still vote for it
I think the only way The Cape would ever be granted it’s Freedom of Self Governance, is with the support from the native Kweh Kweh populations, Africa would allow the birth of another nation, but it must be in African hands, therefore it is only the Kweh Kweh that have the right to decide the future of their ancestral lands💯 Phill Craig must find a way to build a relationship with them💯🙏❤️❤️❤️
I have read the above messages, and noticed with much interest the talk about division in our country(thanks to the ranting of politicians). I have lived half my life under the National party and the other half under the ANC, none of which i support. Working for SAA i saw the demise of one of the top 5 airlines in the world and thousands of jobs being lost post 1994. Moving abroad to work for another airline, after which i returned and happily paid my taxes hoping to support the government in its quest to improve the lot of its citizens. Instead i found politicians causing divisions amongst the races for their own political gains.
Now along comes an Englishman who has a heart for this land and doesn't stand around the braai complaining about how bad everything is but instead gets up and does something about it. He could just pack his bags and move his family abroad. Shame on you citizens who mock what he's trying to do. He's simply setting up a system whereby we can express our democratic right to hold a Referendum. Lets Stop with all the racial stuff. I was beaten up by 3 Indian teens when i was 7 years old, do i dislike Indians- No. My Mom and Dads best friends were Indian. I carry a scar of a stone thrown at me by black guys in the 1975 riots. Di i dislike black people- No. All we want is a better future for ourselves HERE, Not abroad. We have a right to this.
Think obout this the next time you want to slate those of us who are doing something for a better future.
Thankyou Referendum Party, Mr Phil Craig you are a Rock I support your cause 200%
I will vote for you
Why not 300% 😄😄😄.
Racist.
Thank you Phil!
The last Referendum was concerning ending apartheid.
So 30 years Later we deserve a Referendum as according to elections western Cape people don't vote in ANC to suffer Reverse Apardheid
I suggest you read up on the Scottish referendum. It was only allowed to happen because London agreed. They would have had to honour some commitments based on the outcome . Also, read up on the Catalan referendum from Spain. That one was deemed unconstitutional because Madrid did not give the go-ahead . So, the same applies here. You cannot hold the referendum in isolation and then expect Pretoria to honour it. WC would have to seek permission from Pretoria because the outcomes have consequences beyond WC.
@@s.s.nxumalo Pretoria is not the Constitution. The people of the Western Cape will have independence whether Pretoria likes it or not.
@DP-ho9if The point here in the examples I listed is that the seat of power in that country has a say even if a referendum is held. The constitution does not operate in a vacuum. (Executive, legislature & judiciary). If regions of any country could just have a referendum and leave, then Scotland and Catalan would be independent countries. The DA actually knows this, that is why they haven't called the referendum even though they hold the majority in WC and the constitution allows. If you research any country where secession was successful, the seat of power allowed it to happen. For example, the Soviet Union would not have broken up if Russia didn't allow it.
I absolutely agree; this is not a choice but rather a necessity. I will vote for independence.
Free the Cape !!
Can’t really argue with the logic , had never previously taken this seriously. He makes so much sense
Finally a man that speaks the TRUTH
Have circulated to my contacts! Please supply names of other small countries that have achieved independence!
Honour your promise DA and give the people their referendum.
Have supported since CapeXit days. It is “An idea whose time has come” ..calling it a Referendum Party for this election is I feel, a mistake. Cape Independence Party is the honest visionary name. I will vote for them regardless of name. Common sense. If the people lead, eventually the leaders will follow .. and SA will be the geographic 🌈 country it was meant to be. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ to Phil Craig.
Our forefathers showed us the way when they moved north. This is only the reverse, and we must use our votes to ensure our independence.
I’ve voted Cape Party twice before. Now the Referendum Party pops up trying to split votes when they should have thrown their weight behind Cape Party. Why are they not working together? So I’m not sure I should vote for either one of them. The FF+ with their national footprint and coalition government partner also openly support cape independence.
Cape Party is thus far not on the Ballots for this election please vote Referendum Party
They hàve tried to work together Ruan but the CIP rejected it unfortunately. But we as people should stand together and vote for one common goal. It`s our (all races in this province) future, we must make it work
Ruan, the CIAG and the RP have been much more effective than the CIP, that's just the plain truth. Whether you vote CIP, VF+, or RP doesn't really matter, as long as we get that referendum. Just note that apparently the CIP weren't able to gather the requisite number of signatures, so may not be on the ballot.
Dude you do realise the RP is just a collaboration of the CIP, CP and CIAG 😂😂😂 they just melted their banners under one flag for the ballots
Cape Party did not make it to be on ballots.
It will be very interesting to see how the Majority will behave on this election. I forsee DA shrinking...Majority in the Cape dont be fooled...WC would still be divided and Africans will surely suffer more spiritualy and mentally.
Pro western and pro eastern concepts make me sick...
Where's Pro Africa?
What exactly means pro Africa?
Need definition. Otherwise, it is only popcorn sloganiering 😴...
@@halinaleonowicz8038 pro Africa means exactly that. Anything that has to do in advancing African interests. We have everything we need in Africa.... Minerals and resources.
Being pro Africa means we produce what we consume, polish our own diamonds and gold... Etc....
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck . No, nobody have all resources, and due to this there is exchange and trades all over the world, peoples, busineses etc: in knowledge, extraction of minerals, manufacturing...long list.
Some are better policies and laws, some have coruption. It is as it is...🤔
Do not underestimate complexity of the world today...
That went out the window when the revolutionaries drank long and deep of the Communist Kool-Aid. Besides, the terms Eastern and Western are only loosely geographical. They should read more as "pro-freedom" vs "pro-collectivist". African cultures generally tend to lean towards collectivism for straightforward and understandable reasons but recent history has also shown that they can be described as being stuck in the middle, grasping at the benefits of two incompatible concepts and ultimately failing at both.
@@halinaleonowicz8038 by all means yes trading is good however it's when we as African children wanted to be like the West or the East... And adopt their so called values and beliefs. Aren't we capable of thinking for ourselves? Are we not human beings with our own principles and values?
There lies the issue. Pro west Pro east...🙄
The rest of South Africa - ANC and EFF does not want to lose the Western Cape, out of national ego pride and because it well knows, that an independent Western Cape would prosper well beyond the rest of South Africa and would then lead to migrants from South Africa trying to migrate into the Westurn Cape.
The only way to save the Western Cape is by voting for a non racist party. Vote for a referendum. Vote Referendum Party. 😊
Phil please tell us how it worked out for them (uk) they are crying now
Was it not Helen who asked, what you gonna do with all the refugees?
The Western Cape people will decide.
Bra I’d let them Squat in my back yard if it meant getting the Freedom of Self Governance away from South Africa’s toxic politics😂😂😂🤷🏾♂️
Reality is reality!!!
How will it be decided on who can be a citizen of the Westurn Cape? Born there?
100% - Well done Phil!!
It's not about left and right as always. It's about up and down. If wealth is not distributed evenly enough, those at the bottom radicalise to the point of revolution. Do you think an independent Western Cape will have any less of a problem in that regard? Unless it's a police state??
Economic growth and job creation goes hand in hand.
The new WC will utilize all taxes generated for it's own benefit whereas they currently give 70% to the rest of SA.
Those taxes van create hùge job opportunities and progress which in turn will attract foreign investment. Figures of 10% growth in GDP p.a. is achievable whereas SA's currently stands at 0.8%
Inflation will drop to 1%
Interest rates will drop to basically zero.
The Exchange Rate will probably increase to ZAR1.50 to the GBP.
Unemployment will drop to 5% within 10 years.
Homelessness will decrease.
Social welfare grants will increase for those in need and the elderly.
Education standards will vastly increase.
Public Health Services will radically improve
Public Transport will become 1st world standard.
Corporate taxes will reduce
Personal income tax will reduce.
Trade will explode.
Job opportunities will increase tremendously.
Crime will reduce dramatically.
Prisons will largely stand empty.
The only thing that will be negatively affected is the amounts corrupt officials and office bearers can steal because of better governance.
I can go on and on and on, and no, I'm not delusional.
Prove me wrong by voting for the RP and show me in 10 years where I missed the mark.
Yes it will have 1000 times less problems because it will have voters who understand that having decent paying jobs is more important than anything. Voters who don't think like you that you can split a cake for 100 people and still have the whole cake. Voters who realise you need to GROW the cake and make more cakes, and that splitting and fighting over one cake is going to chase away the bakers together with their ovens and flour!!!
I'd rather go East than West mate!
Hi, what draws an Englishman Phil towards being involved in Cape politics?
Revert to the pre 1910 REPUBLICS...the union of SOUTH AFRICA was a tragic mistake
I dislike the ANCs support for Russia. They should be supporting the Ukraine, the country that has been invaded!
When a person gets old they they become very emotional and frank with their words. Who over call the shots on the DA, is such a person. Very old and cannot play a nice guy or disguise thier true intents on racial devision.
How will the borders be controlled?
Join Multi Party Charter for South Africa
I notice that he has a British accent. What he seems to miss out on in his entire speech is legality. I have sympathy for the Cape wishing for independence but it would simply be against South African and international law. Bits of countries simply cannot decide to be independent. The central government will declare it illegal and put a stop to it. It's as simple as that. That is why the idea, including the DA, is understandably never taken seriously.
How big was the sample?
Good question
From one interview it was 1080 people
@@31-December Was that the only sample. Anti Referendum says less than 1000 people interviewed.
Scary!!!!
People tend to fear new things, especially if they do not understand it. Like when you were a child a feared the darkness, its only natural to fear new concepts❤
What this guy never does is talk about the practical steps.
There will only be one political party.
How do they create passports, id cards, police services, funding for hospitals, schools.
How do they create a currency. Everything currently owned by the SA government will be withdrawn.
What about people who have homes in other parts of the country.
What about laws.
Whenever i asked these kinds of questions they block me.
Read the Road To Independence extensive document that answers these questions on the CapeXit NPO website. After independence granted it wouldn’t be 1 party - they’re would be a transition period and then constitution and government would be decided by voting. The suggested route is a Canton system like Switzerland has.
Nonsense. The existing parties will still be present, but will most likely change with a more local focus, and one can expect new parties to emerge. Hell, even you can start a new party.
The WC will stop sending money to the SA government to steal and misappropriate and use that money to establish government services to do all those things you mention, just like any other country in the world has to do. Why on earth would anyone think an independent WC won't be able to do it? That's just completely silly.
The WC can continue to use the Rand in the short term, or choose to use some other currency, or yes - create our own, it's absolutely possible.
You can still have your home in SA (unless the ANC/EFF/MK government expropriates it).
The independent Cape government will probably continue to use existing SA laws in the short term, but we'll be free to scrap the ones we don't want and make new ones - simples.
Like Ian smith created UDI …
@@chantallooyen7210
And who will pay for it?
@@chantallooyen7210
The divorce process between the UK and the EU lasted years.
And they consist of wealthy countries with structures created over centuries. And the UK was already an independent country.
The Cape would need to create new structures while handling the divorce.
Do you know how documents it takes to plan a new building in the city.
Unfortunately some detailed documents for creating a new country are not enough.
Here's an idea...a lot of foreigners love the Western Cape due to its beauty and low prices relative to their currencies. How about a property tax in the Western Cape that evens that out even by 20% and then pumps those funds into helping the people in need (mostly black and colored) in the province
And then the foreigners will choose to go to Brazil because that's cheaper and you will have more unemployment and poverty than ever before. You see this culture of discriminating against or milking people via discrimination, is exactly why we are a poor country and why we need to get away from the voters in the Provinces who think and vote like you and don't understand economics.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. Property tax is essentially rent paid for your own land. A free market and economic opportunity is a far better solution than to yet another government policy that will inevitably be inefficient and wasteful. Let people decide what is best to spend their money on.
Thought one of your members told me the UN has no say in independence ,now you say they have.
i asked him what status the 18 khoi san nations would enjoy in the new state wathi they'd figure that out as they go
I would also like to know the answer💯, how ever I do understand that there is a mountain of things that still needs to be ‘figured out’ like Currency for example, all these vital pillars that the Cape will have to stand on, haven’t been figured out yet😅, maby you should ensure that your concerns are met by going to help RP❤
The previous referendum hav😅e been recognise as been legit we dont need another referendum but csn comtinue to exit RSA
For western cape to be independent, the president has to declare a national referendum to fellow South Africans, unfortunately majority of South Africans will never vote for this nonsense to exist....
How do you immigrant to a predominantly black country then try to annex the country ? That is so Arrogant
I am a naturalized South African originally from Scotland. I came here in 1984. According to Mr Craig’s bio he has only been here 20 years.
I am not arguing for/against Cape independence but I as a non born SA citizen would never have the gall to advocate for an event of such proportion. This should be decided by SA born electorate and the whole country should vote on it as it effects the whole country.
Anyway, never going to happen. Catalan, Scottish independence as an example.
What currency are they going to use?
For a secession only the people in the given area vote. If the whole country votes they will never get a secession, so they might as well not bother.
@@anjieismynameNot necessarily. Take for instance if the whole of the UK was to vote on Scottish Independence, a large amount of English would vote to dump the Scots.
Not saying the same sentiment exists in the non-Cape provinces but who can tell.
My last point though is the important one; what currency will they use. The 2014 Scottish Independence referendum collapsed as the First Minister was unable to answer the question. All he said was Scotland would use the Pound to which the Central Bank, the BoE, said, no you won’t.
The Cape would also have to take with them a proportion of the South African debt. To pay for that the Cape Central Bank would have to issue bonds. Who would buy these bonds if they were issued in the ‘new’ Cape currency? How would the Cape Central Bank guarantee these bonds? This advocate for Independence does not address any of these issues.
@@presterjohn4123 Interesting point about the currency
As a trader myself, I’d happily dump my entire fortune into The Cape Shilling😂😂😂 just saying I’d support my new homeland just as much as I currently support the Western Cape, it is a very good question you are asking about the currency though
He says 68% of people are for cape independence, yet he cannot put together more than 200 signatures to contest the election in the western cape and prove this idea.
You are confusing the Referendum Party for the Cape Independence Party (CIP). It is the CIP that failed to get 200 signatures. Phil is from the Referendum Party
All the same
Ha ha, you believed that TikTok video. Ai ai, how do you think the RP got onto the ballot? More than 30 000 people endorsed the Referendum Party to contest this election. There are 59 other parties who didn`t manage that.
@wouterkabouter102 you're such a dreamer lmao... there are 7.43m people in western cape and white people are only 16% of that population... so it's obvious where that tiny number is coming from. The PA was definitely needed to stop that stupid dream of yours along with those 30 000 fools that wish to doom themselves. As it stands, Britain separated from the EU and has been suffering ever since, and they had the same complaints about other parts of the EU ruining the GDP, yet you guys want a small little "Cape"? What a joke. You're already struggling with the worst crimes in SA and have neglected the people of colour and have gangs terrorizing you along with illegal foreigners coming there, if you ever win such a nonsense idea to be independent, then you will be like Haiti, cause DA has starved the majority of people of colour there for all these years.
Lol you believed that BS tiktok clip?
God couldn't help Moses and they had to run.
What about the hundreds of thousands of people who share the values of a non-racial SA, but live outside the W.Cape? Are we screwed then, if we cannot move to the W.Cape? Our livelihoods are outside the W.Cape. 😢
I personally think an independent WC will put policies in place for minorities in SA to claim something similar to asylum.
Sadly u living in a area where ANC is the Majority vote. Here in western cape. We never vote in ANC. BUT we have to suffer under there racist rule.
Find a way to move here ASAP.
We have to jump ship to survive
It all starts somewhere nothing stops you from voting for RP as they will be on every ballot
Who says you can't move to the Western Cape?
@@peterbarclay8799 It is very complex. Essentially, it would be emigration not semi-migration. If the W.Cape becomes an independent and sovereign country, everything changes. What happens to all the businesses throughout SA? Investments? Property? Pensions? Currency? Do Western and Eastern world powers accept this, or do they apply sanctions against this region they msy consider to be illegitimate? Most black South Africans would reject this, and so would the W.Cape become a pariah of the world? Wouldn't terrorism increase?
ISRAEL suffers the same threat
I wish they would stay in a holding pattern until a few months after the elections
u are an opportunist...what were the reasons for u to leave UK and come to SA...U saw an opportunity to create more division of the people of SA.IF SA is falling apart leave it to people who cares about the whole country and try to fix it.
Exactly. He needs to be deported. He is not welcome.
Exactly man
Why is this guy still in our country??
Im aaking myself the same question,
Cos he is law abiding citizen ❤
Instead of asking crap questions listen to what he is saying
@@shaunnathan5684 his not a South African Citizen his British
@NinohBrown, so what? All over the world, people are living not exactly where they were born.
Nonsense argumentation
it's understandable to want to break away- but it's stupid to waste energy and resources - it would never practically be possible or happen - why would the rest of us allow it ?- makes no sense for South Africa as a whole regardless of who the government is - stop wasting time get going with practical solutions for our real current situation right now!
Session isnt a vote but a international legal process. Speaķ to Dr Stewart from UCS. Phil Craig doesñt know what his doing
He knows exactly what he's doing
Voting is one of the first steps of the process.
Actually you are misinformed. Phil Craig nows exactly what's going on
Watch a few videos of the Referendum Party, you will have to hold yourself back nòt to be convinced. Also go read up about how secession is achieved in a legal & civilised way
he even sounds foreign 😅
Vote out the ANC Government nationally and Cape Independence won’t be necessary.
The ANC will be replaced by another ANC. The majority of South African voters don't want a Western economy or Western principles. You are dreaming something that can never happen. But what can happen is we can vote out the ANC as we have been trying to do for 30 years in which time the Government we never voted for keeps being forced on us. Enough is enough. Its time we vote in a referendum for our independence.
I'm confused when he says African Nationalists, arent we all Africans, black and white ?
Are you African National Congress ANC or PAC or EFF? They believe that only people with a Black skin own Africa and those without a Black skin are merely guests to be Dictated to or kicked out if you disagree.
EFF , ANC
I don't have a preference for any particular political party, whether it's the ANC, the DA, or the EFF. What really gets under my skin, though, is hypocrisy and individuals who pretend to champion unity while sowing seeds of division (like in this video).
There are numerous individuals tirelessly working towards uniting our country, and those who espouse divisive views reveal their true intentions. It's ironic that the very business figures supporting your cause often profit substantially from the parts of our nation you claim are dysfunctional. While our country isn't flawless, the least any of us can do is refrain from furthering its division.
P.S. Keep holding onto your dreams of an independent Western Cape; they're better left in dreamland.
100% , like I have been telling people it's 10 years too late. The amount of blacks and whites that have flooded the western cape have brought the coloured population from over 70% in the past to 42% in the last 2022 census. It was always up to the coloured population if Cape Independence was possible.
No preference? So you are ok with suffering under an ANC-government and don`t see the need to prevent the Western Cape from falling also? It looks more like you are the one in dreamland
Why does looking east pose a problem or threat
because deep down he's a british racist, have a look at the media where their movement only gets attention
Communism perhaps
Russia is not communist so Craig needs to be more specific.
Polecat regimes which is what the ANC aspires to.
The East does not value the core principles that has made Western cultures as great as they are today, eg. civic liberties, private property, law and order. Looking East for international support will inevitably erode even further these principles that Westerners hold dear, and is thus, to put it lightly, an unimaginably bad idea.
Apartheid Mindset.That instead of fixing the country together we give opportunity to racists to come with secessionist ideas.Lets work together and get the country working.Instead of wishing for apartheid.
The corrupt ANC is in control and they want to keep it that way. Everything they touch turns to sh*t. Good luck with the NHI !
Good idea but impossible under the thieving ANC/EFF/MK. You cannot fix them!
The problem is that even good governance is not rewarded. People have flooded the western cape for jobs and better services and polls suggest EFF will gain 10% more vote in the province compared to 5 years ago. Even the ANC is gaining a few % more.
How are you supposed to win?
According to eNCA poll DA will lose about 8% of the vote from 55% to 47%
What exactly does "let's work together" mean? Is this not what South Africans have generally been doing for the past 30 years already? If so, then why is everything falling apart?
For 30 years the WC has NOT been voting ANC. Now we're told to work together and fix the country. How are we supposed to do that when the rest of SA keeps on voting for looters?
But you're right, I absolutely want to be apart from people who vote for a government which destroys their country and then blame others. You do you and we'll do us.
brexit 101 . . . which turned out to be a total disaster
Brexit as a concept wasn't a disaster. The problem lies in its implementation. There was no reason why Brexit couldn't be a resounding success, and there's not reason Cape independence can't be, but it will be up to us to ensure it works. So dragging Brexit into it isn't quite valid. How about you look at Singapore?
@@joedonner9476 so the ANC wasn't a disaster . . . just the implementation?????
The problem with Brexit was Nigel Farage didn't follow through and help with the changes he championed. Instead he quit as if his job was done and became a political commentator.
@@peterprentice9179 Said who? The ANC was always going to be a disaster. So - how about Singapore?
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj nigel farage??? . . . couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery
According to this fool West is Best
Never. Going. To. Happen.
Within 5 years
Not up to you sadly. Up to the people living in the western cape.
Why are we giving this guy airtime ? We have many pressing issues! More separation is not the answer. Why is he not trying to unite us all ?
Well, listen to the arguments and considerations. Don't just flail around angrily. Listen and learn and think and consider and work for something better.
@@rosemarygraves780 who’s angry? Anyway I did listen to him and considered his opinions. He is choosing separation because unity and cohesion is more difficult. He is no different from Malema, both radical and divisive.
Because you keeping voting ANC. Stop voting ANC or EFF if you want unity.
Only WC separate not race separation
@@veronicakarstel9126 only time will tell.
Why don't you fight for Africa independence.
Africa is independent
@@veronicakarstel9126 not really
@@hopekumalo8949you have your AFRICAN independence, congratulations 🎉
Precisely you have it. With a reverse apardheid. Nothing close to Mandela's vision which was a colourblind society
Which African country is not independent? I think you are using the wrong word or perhaps you want to continue fighting for something that has been achieved already
I wonder how the koisan, Coloureds and Xhosa feel about this. Because in KZN no whiteman will never ever talk like this.
We don't take them serious it will never happen
I will still be voting DA on all three ballots come 29 May. Just as the DA saved the Western Cape, the DA will save South Africa! 🇿🇦
At least it`s better than voting for the ANC or EFF, so good on you Donald. But convincing the masses to step over to the right side in the rest of SA is far more challanging than getting the Western Cape saved.
Pre-1994 election sentiments.
Whilst I am always open to listening to different views, I do not want foreigners dictating internal affairs of the country. They should have brought forward a South African of any race to put this message forward.
Does it matter? Phil Craig has dual nationality. He's South African, too.
@@joedonner9476it does not matter, he was not born here.
@@sphesihlemashiane4519 Doesn't matter. He is a South African citizen with all the rights all other South African citizens enjoy.
I really think this z real pipedream nice to think about totally impossible to implement 😮
@@joedonner9476he is still not above our constitution, he cannot tell us what to do.
😂😂 let me waste my 22:37 min
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i AGREE WITH THE POLICY BUT THIS SPEAKER SPEAKS LIKE A POLITICIAN AND MINISTER/DOMINEE
If a person like Rob Hersove could have delivered this speach it would have been a 100 times more powerfull
This will open the door to ANC EFF rule
A bit opportunistic to want an independent WC and blaming the DA at the same time for standing in the way who after all are the ones who made the WC what it is today.... DA though not perfect, are looking to replicate what they've done in WC in the other parts of SA for SA.... if referendum party feel so strongly about a referendum why not take EC or Limpopo, nobody will be standing in your way... to be fair, RP do make a strong argument, but the better and more inclusive ( not to be confused with DEI) option would be to join forces with a strong credible opposition.
You are missing the point... (1) it doesn't matter what the DA did in the past, it matters who the Western Cape people voted for. The DA are merely servants of the Western Cape people, but have become totally arrogant thinking they created the Western Cape and not the other way around!! (2) Your argument about allowing Limpopo people the freedom to vote in a referendum but refusing the Western Cape people the same freedom, is absolutely sick! Do you think we are slaves without rights? Really man, check your beliefs!!
Why don't you guys establish Cape Independence in Europe?
Our people fought for this land for us to unite ad not be divided. Just leave Africa and establish this in Europe. We will never be divided by minority.
Why don't you let the Western Cape people decide for themselves what they want instead of being an undemocratic Fascist Discator who doesn't even live in the Western Cape but wants to Dictate to us who live here?
uyanya lo mlungu
Cape independence is 10 years too late. I believe 2014 might of been the last chance. Even the DA is expected to fall under 50% in the Western Cape with the EFF set to gain over 12% and ANC getting over 32%.
It was up to coloured voter to start or support a Cape Independence party which they never did. The demographics of the western cape has changed with the flooding of blacks and whites who wouldnt want Cape independence because of work and family outside of the province.
So yes, the DA will be rewarded with the loss of the western cape by 2029 as more people move to a functional province but still vote for the people they ran from.
That's the whole idea: Get the DA under 50%, force them into provincial government coalition, and demand a referendum. The ANC/EFF have no hope of taking the WC - not at present, at least.
@@joedonner9476Only if the DA loses support in other provinces would they even consider it. There national ambitions would need to be dealt a serious blow for them to make that move.
The problem is 12+32 = 44% of the province wouldn't go for Cape Independence if the eCNA poll is correct, last elections they were only 1.8% off.
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj "if the eCNA poll is correct" - yes, exactly. Very big if. I don't believe it for one second.
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj Well, the point is that we need to get the DA under 50% in the WC, to force them into a coalition and then demand an independence referendum. Their national ambitions are dead in the water and at this rate they're going to drop the MPC like a hot potato and go into coalition with the ANC. And that will be the end of them.
@@joedonner9476I agree here, everyone seems to be excited that the ANC is going under 50%, tbh it can be a worse case scenario as they might be forced to join with MK and or EFF.
I don't think the DA will merge because they know it will be the end of them if the country performs better. The credit would go to the ANC and 2029 back over 50%.
Phil Craig deserves to be brought to trial for creating a split in South Africa. Phil, we are in Africa. If you desire to engage in that craziness, then go ahead and do it in Europe, your place of origin
Didn't even get 200 signatures to get onto ballot 😂😂😂.
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Referendum party got the signatures
Lol. You really are confused, Referendum Party got over 18000 signatures.
@@deathdealer5907 Looking at an outdated article on the matter. Sorry my bad. Still understand it took a herculean last minute effort to get over the line. People are clearly enthusiastic about Craig's agenda LOL! Also well short of the 800,000+ supporters Craig was claiming and the nearly 30,000 supporters who have signed up and/or contributed money to have his SA citizenship revoked and for him to be deported back to his HOME in England. In the final analysis his ranting will be meaningless because he will be watching on from some small terraced house in England in the pouring rain. Try that one on for size 😄😄😄.
don't look at what Craig says, ask who funds him.
He is funded by us the citizens, ordinary people wanting freedom, paying R100 here and R500 there for our cause. Remember that a poll done showed that 68% of the Western Cape people want a referendum, and many of us will pay a few R100 for one more step towards our Freedom.
I funded him. What's the problem?
No no no
More and more division ai✋🏽