I would go with browning because of all the features are better to me and the fact that liberty would stab me in the back and give the master code away to someone that wanted in it
@@A1LocksmithofTexasWhy don't you? I'll give a response on why you're still promoting liberty safe even knowing what they did. Definitely making questionable choices as a sales person. F*** money, do the right thing for us. Your customer base is more important.
@angelabc2494 Yeah, I highly doubt it, especially the backlash liberty has got from this We called both of our safe manufacturers. To make sure the 💩wouldn't happen
@The_glock_fanboy yea I'm sure they told you what you wanted to hear. But in the end, it will all come down to what the brands want to do in the end. Maybe using a different lock on the safe would prevent the whole situation from happening
@@jeffstrains4014 It’s a super modular interior and well thought out. Checkout some of our Browning ProSteel videos where we throw weapons inside, so you can really see how they work.
@@A1LocksmithofTexasWhy are you all promoting liberty saves whenever they hand it over Nathan Hughes codes to the f. B I with no legal obligation whatsoever
Yeah, ProSteel is the company that makes them and they have since the early 1980’s. Like I tell everyone, Browning makes guns, but they slap their name on lots of things. ProSteel has been a safe maker since the 1970’s. They were a steel company before that, they’re from Provo, Utah.
Notably, there was no mention of the thickness of the steel. Also, since they are both composite construction safes, it would be nice to know what each company uses for its composite material.
@@greatmountainministry6956 Fair points! This was more of “How This Company Builds There Products and What They Include”, but you’re right. Both safes are constructed of a 10 gauge steel. Liberty utilizes a 12 gauge inner steel plate, ball bearing hard plate and then gypsum board in the door. Browning utilizes a 10 gauge inner plate, hardened steel roll pin and then gypsum board in the door. Both are extremely similar which is why we chose to look at them side by side. Hope this helps!
Wonder your take on Cannon safes sold at Tractor Supply. Also your recommendations on how to move one down like fifteen steps. I think thats the elephant in the room when someone purchases a safe and its delivered to your driveway.
I don’t know a ton about them since we don’t sell them, but we know about them from moving them or working on them for customers. It’s always the same answer, most over seas safes do not utilize continue welds and they use thinner gauge steel. For example I see the Cannon 64 is only 675lbs vs Liberty’s Fatboy JR (same measurements and fire rating), Liberty almost 100lbs more.That’s purely steel. I cannot recommend a safe way to move one down/up stairs if you’ve never done it. Honest to Odin, if it goes wrong it can go very wrong (i.e. extensive home remodel repairs, safe not functioning anymore, someone needing surgery or worse). In most any village I’ve found a nearby safe mover for folks who reached out.
I have always considered most Liberty models door weak because of their lack of plate steel in the door. In fact, with most Liberty safes just trying to find out how much steel is even in the door below the Presidential model or National series is a mystery. Several years ago, they came up with "Pry Stop Tabs" to help keep the pry attacks down but later came up with those "Military Style Bars" which was probably an improvement. However, if they would have just made the door using plate steel the way Fort Knox or American Security does, they could have avoided all of this.
Very well said, thanks for dropping by. The steel content of their door is typically whatever thickness the body is constructed of plus a sheet of equal to or just less thickness. Kinda depends by model. A Presidential/Magnum is constructed of 7 gauge steel and then there’s a secondary layer of 1/4” behind that. As you go down like Lincoln & maybe Franklin have a 12 gauge liner. Then the next couple series like Colonial & USA are 2 pieces of 12 gauge stacked. Then after those in Freedom and Centurion have a 14 gauge plate in the center. Of course the National Security Classic Extreme 60 has a solid 3/8” steel plate door.
@@kasper6951 Exceptionally similar process as Liberty. Certain lines only have up to an additional 12 gauge behind the door and it gets thicker up to 1/4” the higher the safe you go.
After looking at both the Prestige 33 and Lincoln 25 - my choice would be the Lincoln ,1k cheaper for basically the same gauge body steel and same warranty. The only difference I see is more fire resistant material in the Browning, by about 150lbs. Now the Lincoln 40 is a bit bigger for the same price, and would be a closer comparison, in that case I would go Browning for the aesthetics. Unfortunately for me I can’t get either one into my basement due to a sharp 90 degree turn, so I have to select a modular option. Nice video.
First of all, thank you for watching. I love hearing you break down and sort through your decision factors this way. When people learn about these safes and really make an informed choice it genuinely warms the heart, it means your planning for the future better. Being in Texas I don’t get a lot of chances to work with basement applications and learn more of them in general. I hate you can’t do what you want and genuinely wish I could be there to help get what you want in. Silly question, I know, but you have discussed with a local/nearby safe delivery company, yes? The equipment we have at our disposal these days mixed with the tricks we learn along the way make us dangerous. Hahaha. And id you’re not moving in the next 10 years…….might not hurt to take out that sharp 90 degree corner impeding your progress and rebuild it after installation of the safe.
You failed to mention the size of the steel. Was it 3ga? Was it 7ga, etc? What ga of steel on the door? Saw a resent video of someone just defeating the side of a similar Liberty with just a few swings of a fireman's axe. So, I would assume a 10ga or thiner. No, thank you.
@@racefan6668 Did I really? Weird. It’s not a spec video, as much as how one company does what the other one does. But 10g. Can you share the link to the video you’re referencing?
@A1LocksmithofTexas I am researching to buy a safe, and I came across Sturdy safe videos. The inside is not as nice as the ones on your video, but darn if it's not an actual safe and not an RSC. I did call them today, and I can order the safe without an interior. I am planning on ordering the Browning Axis kit and installing it in the Sturdy.
@ Sturdy is a different animal. Everything is essentially a RSC, but there are levels of its. I’ve heard mixed results on that, I’ve been told multiple times the Axis interior wasn’t for resale, but I’ve also heard someone say they did buy it. Good luck! You check out the AMSEC BFll safes or RF safes? There are many series safes out there for sure, just comes down to budget for folks.
@A1LocksmithofTexas I spoke with The Safe House today in TN. They sell an AXIS kit for $715 plus tax and shipping. What I really would want to buy is a Granffunder but she who must be obyed will veto that. The Graffunder B series is another $6k over the Sturdy. I am now trying to climb back out of the gun safe rabbit hole I jumped into last week. Thank you for your time.
@ If anyone can approve it that sale it’s Mark in TN, great guy and great company. Hahaha, man do I feel you, Black Friday and Christmas deals assaulted my wallet this year. Thanks for dropping by our channel, let me knwo how it works out. Make a video after installing!
@@Birdog62The Browning ProSteel safe in this video was a Prestige 49T Matte Black w/ e-lock , they replaced the Prestige with the Medallion - that’s around $7,199 www.a-1locksmith.com/shop-online/products/all-browning-products/browning-safes/medallion-49t/ Then we have a Lincoln 50 in white gloss with elock that’s about $6809 www.a-1locksmith.com/shop-online/products/all-liberty-products/liberty-safes/lincoln/
Thanks for watching. Long and short this was “how Liberty does it vs how Browning ProSteel does it”, but so much a direct comparison of the Lincoln vs the Prestige. Easy fix though: both safes are constructed of a 10 gauge steel body and door. The Lincoln has an inner door steel plate of 12 gauge and the Browning ProSteel has an inner door steel plate of 10 gauge. I hope that helps
@@A1LocksmithofTexas Both are Top Quality. Put Liberty's best safe which is the Presidential up against Fort Knox's Best safe which would be the Legend and let see who wins. From a 15 min break in torture test to a fire 🔥 test. There has to be only 1 winner. Id definitely pay to see that.
You don't wanna see anything through liberty safe. Look up Nathan Hughes. They handed the master code over to a safe to the FBI with no. Legal obligation whatsoever. They're supposed to be another legal process before that happens, but it took one phone call.
@@Sal.357Liberty might have good safes, but the company backing them is dog s*** look up Nathan Hughes. And how liberty f****** over with the FBI no legal obligation whatsoever and they handed his master coat over. They're supposed to be another legal process before that happens
The corner bolts would sell me on a larger safe. Also, money is made on safes two ways: build and sell them. Then, insure them 😅. Another 130 dollars for lifetime warranty on the lock alone. Next, insure the bolts, hinges squeaking, interiors, house flooring collapse, extra 30 minutes fire rating, etc. Sheesh. Knowing most safes will never be broken into or burned, this is pure gold money. I will insure your safe too. 😊. A thousand safes at 130 each for 130,000 dollars. I may have to ship 3 new touch pads at 40 bucks each. Let's do this!
We all pay for auto insurance and health insurance that we may never use, that’s what insurance is. That’s why it’s an option , a gamble if you will. No?
Fort Knox has always, always given a lifetime warranty on the locks they put on their safes, and the locks they install are Sargent and Greenleaf ( the best quality lock, bar none ), which is obviously a separate company, but none the less FN warranty's the S&G lock for life. And of course they have the same warranty as everybody else with fire and attempted break in. I have chosen Fort Knox 2 times. For their beauty and options but mainly for their fire resistance. They posted a fire test where the fire department was conducting a ' burn to learn' on a building, where they placed two safes. One a relatively inexpensive safe of an unnamed mfg. and one of their I think a ' Defender ' models. They put various items of the same nature in each safe and then told the fire dept. to set 'er on fire ( the building that is ). That fire got into 2000 degrees plus in temp. When it was all said and done the contents of the inexpensive safe were toast. However the contents of the Fort Knox survived pretty much unscathed. Another safe that does well in an extended burn down of the building it resided in is made by American Security, a brand I have taken a serious look at as well.
For years I have looked at Lib safes as top-of-the-line with the perk of all the added accessories that you can add. While I don't understand what they did and why, it's total BS. In addition to that, I think customers should make their own decisions as to where they put their hard-earned cash. One thing is for sure, I won't be getting a lib safe, even more so after reading their "damage control" press release. One simple question I have is, why not order a safe with a traditional mechanical lock, then as soon as possible have the local locksmith change the combo?? I get that in certain times of need you will want quick access. If that is such the case, why not get a 'hidden in plain sight' piece of furniture that is locked and provides quick access?!
Thanks for watching. Customers definitely have several options for their safe shopping. And with safes you have many of options of locks, too. Changing to combo of a mechanical lock is a quick fix. Certain keypad locks have the ability to wipe them of any manufacture fail safes. Your idea of “hidden in plain site” tracks, too. After using a mechanical dial it becomes muscle memory and becomes fairly quick to access. It just depends on someone’s idea of “quick access” or their idea of a “self defense weapon” and how to store it. If it’s just a pistol perhaps a pistol vault would be more ideal. Thanks, again!
After what happened today, do you understand? The gov will and does abuse their power as much as they can get away with. I don't blame Liberty as much as the overbearing corrupt gov. The poor guy at Liberty had to decide between the code or having every gov agency at the door Monday morning. In addition to endless gov harassment for years. If they didn't give the code, they would be out of business. There was no right choice in that situation.
@@trevorforbes2382 In these two models about $100 more for the Browning, it’s about $6800 vs $6900. Again, this video was more common differences between Liberty and Browning higher end safes. It wasn’t so much specifically these 2, but I guess it could be looked at that way, very equally matched safes.
Well I’m stuck trying to figure out what safe to get. Want a Fort Knox but can swing the price for the size I need. By the time I get a classic extreme liberty I’m at FK price. Browning line is just confusing!! There is two totally different lines. No rhyme or reason. To who sells what line. And the difference between them all is not made super clear.
@@trevorforbes2382 Haha, it can be a lot. If you were here in Texas I’d tell you to come by the showroom. It helps to have someone who does this with you. Steel is what drives the costs on these. That and American made cost more. Browning & ProSteel made changes this year that will simplify their catalog. Call me Monday and I’ll walk you through it.
The sides, bottom and top of the Liberty is one piece of sheet that is bent into a box. The back is a seperate sheet. At least the YT video of the plant tour says so. Browning does not make their safes. Pro Steel Security Products actually makes the safe for Browning.
@@daverotroff6873 Yup! I usually state the same facts in of our videos. If I failed to in this particular video, my apologies. Liberty used to refer to it as their two piece body, but have since renamed and trade marked it Dual Fusion. ProSteel and Browning began their relationship in the early to mid 80’s, I wanna say 86. It was/is a great relationship, two quality companies that came together to offer great gun safes. We have had the opportunity several times to visit both companies facilities and there are so many great people who make these products. Both are in Utah, as is Champion/Superior and Fort Knox.
@@A1LocksmithofTexas I have always thought it odd that several safe makers were headquartered in Utah. My brother bought a Browning ProSteel Silver series many years ago. Seemed well built but it was just a big steel box. No fire protection at all. Ya gotta pay attention to what your buying in relation to what you want. Thanks for your videos.
@@daverotroff6873 Thank you so much for watching and commenting. So many safes in 30ish years ago were just that, big steel boxes with exterior hinges. Very vanilla. That’s what catapulted Liberty ahead of the game. They were doing fire rated, they were doing shelves, cleaner interiors, interior hinges, offering warranties, etc. Thanks, again for checking and please ask any questions we can help with.
Correction: Browning ProSteel says "Made in China" on the inside door edge. 1200 degrees at 30 minutes. Smaller 30" wide safe, IP60. 1" bolts. Big difference from the larger safe you are testing.
This whole interior vs exterior hinge comparison is nonsense! There is no advantage to having interior hinges! The dead bolts on both doors will ensure the door remain closed and not able to open even if the hinges are cut off ! ! ! So what's the point of having interior hinges ??!!!
@@LWRC You’re right, bolts on multiple sides of the door makes interior vs exterior hinges less worrisome. I’m always quick to point out nothing happening when you cut the hinges, so long as there are bolts on multiple sides. And explain why. I bet I get that question weekly or at least once every other week. And I promise you, when we show up to open a safe after someone has attempted to drill/cut it open…there’s almost always cuts on the hinges. Hahaha. It all stems back many years ago when the goal wasn’t security or modularity, it was a heavy steel box. Interior hinges make it harder to know exactly where to cut, if you were gonna try. That’s exactly what we’re trying to do on this channel, educate 🤠🤠
@@A1LocksmithofTexas Thanks for sharing the details. I knew it didn't make any sense and certainly is not a positive selling point! Also, I noticed that these newer safes have steel bars instead of 1" diameter deadbolts that extend from the door into the body - has anyone done any tests to prove that these bars give more protection than the deadbolts? Maybe it would take longer if they tried to cut it with an acelyene torch but I don't think that would be the smart approach! It would seem like this is another marketing gimmic that adds costs but doesn't really give any value ! ! ! I still like the idea of ball bearings by the combination lock to defeat drill attacks ! ! ! That was the BOMB ! ! 👍👍👍
@@LWRC Actualky, the flat bars Liberty are using are less expensive, which allows them to not have to increase pricing and they’re definitely stronger. I try to show it in a lot of our videos how a 1” round bolt only makes contact at one point. The flat bar is touching completely, it has 12x the contact radius vs the 1” bolt. The first time I saw them test this was in 2018 at their facility, I think it was 2018, but it did very well. They laid the Colonial 23 on the concrete , welding angle iron around it and welded eye hooks to the door. Connected a hydraulic pull to it and this 500lbs safe made of 11g or 12 g steel with 3/16” flat bars for to 15,000lbs and still didn’t open. It was impressive. Not that prying doors open is a thing, for the most part, but it definitely wasn’t just marketing.
Motion sensor Led lighting has become SOOO extremely cheap, especially if you’re buying in bulk like a damn safe manufacturing company would be, that it is a sin that they don’t all come with proper lighting. Like my local dollar store has motion sensor led strips for gods sake. How are some of these multi thousand dollar safes either not come with lighting OR come with shitty lighting? Like that browning lighting is so bad 😂 only lighting up the centre right side, nothing in the top compartment, nothing that shines top down. Not good man
@@Nightfall-TCG Great catch, we noticed after editing the lights weren’t plugged in on one side, so that’s actually completely our fault. In all honesty I get what you’re saying, but this past year we’ve seen more and more safes coming with lights. And a lot of today’s light kits actually allow you to set them up however you want, so you can put a light higher. However, you’re right, there are even cheaper option out there.
@@A1LocksmithofTexas yeah it’s just crazy that it’s still something that we as consumers are expected to buy separately from these companies after spending so much for the safe itself. I just bought one & didn’t realize it didn’t have any lights. Had to buy these magnetic motion sensor lights off Amazon which work great but it really should be standard practice for these companies to have them built in. I’m glad to hear you say you’re seeing more companies including them because it really is such a cheap thing for them to include but it makes the safe feel 1000X better when you swing the door open and it lights up immediately. Adds a certain level of luxury to it.
@@Nightfall-TCG You feel like Batman going into the bat cave without them, I know. I’m glad to hear your lights are working out. And appreciate ya watching!
I would go with browning because of all the features are better to me and the fact that liberty would stab me in the back and give the master code away to someone that wanted in it
Thanks for watching.
@@A1LocksmithofTexasWhy don't you? I'll give a response on why you're still promoting liberty safe even knowing what they did.
Definitely making questionable choices as a sales person.
F*** money, do the right thing for us. Your customer base is more important.
@@The_glock_fanboy competing brands will likely do the same thing. They have the benefit of not having to be in the same situation as liberty.
@angelabc2494 Yeah, I highly doubt it, especially the backlash liberty has got from this We called both of our safe manufacturers. To make sure the 💩wouldn't happen
@The_glock_fanboy yea I'm sure they told you what you wanted to hear. But in the end, it will all come down to what the brands want to do in the end. Maybe using a different lock on the safe would prevent the whole situation from happening
But who would win in a fist fight? My money is on Browning
Browning interior I like what they have done here and gear it for having more firearms.
Fisticuffs….I’m taking Browning ProSteel, it’s just a tougher name, right?
@@jeffstrains4014 It’s a super modular interior and well thought out. Checkout some of our Browning ProSteel videos where we throw weapons inside, so you can really see how they work.
Don't go with liberty safe, look up Nathan Hughes. They handed his codes over to the f b I with no legal obligation whatsoever
@@A1LocksmithofTexasWhy are you all promoting liberty saves whenever they hand it over Nathan Hughes codes to the f. B I with no legal obligation whatsoever
There is no liberty anymore, DEAD TO ME, No coming back from those shenanigans
So what did you think of the Browning ProSteel?
I would give them my money before liberty for sure, browning has an excellent reputation as a gun safe company
Yeah, ProSteel is the company that makes them and they have since the early 1980’s. Like I tell everyone, Browning makes guns, but they slap their name on lots of things. ProSteel has been a safe maker since the 1970’s. They were a steel company before that, they’re from Provo, Utah.
@@A1LocksmithofTexasYou all know what liberty safes did. Why are you still promoting them? That says a lot about you all it's a company!!!
What safe do you own?
You missed the opportunity to say the "school of hard LOCKS." Dad jokes for life!
@@Robert-qp1ut Let’s Gooooo!!! I’m stealing this hahaha
Notably, there was no mention of the thickness of the steel. Also, since they are both composite construction safes, it would be nice to know what each company uses for its composite material.
@@greatmountainministry6956 Fair points! This was more of “How This Company Builds There Products and What They Include”, but you’re right. Both safes are constructed of a 10 gauge steel. Liberty utilizes a 12 gauge inner steel plate, ball bearing hard plate and then gypsum board in the door. Browning utilizes a 10 gauge inner plate, hardened steel roll pin and then gypsum board in the door. Both are extremely similar which is why we chose to look at them side by side. Hope this helps!
I own a Silver Series Browning and love it with all the great features such as 180 degree door swing and their superior shelving systems.
@@shiznit93274 Yes!! Thanks for watching and saying something.
Another plus to outside hinges is a thief not familiar with how the doors work would probably spend time trying to cut them off.
@@cknorris3644 You’re 100% right and it’s probs my the biggest perk!
Wonder your take on Cannon safes sold at Tractor Supply. Also your recommendations on how to move one down like fifteen steps. I think thats the elephant in the room when someone purchases a safe and its delivered to your driveway.
I don’t know a ton about them since we don’t sell them, but we know about them from moving them or working on them for customers. It’s always the same answer, most over seas safes do not utilize continue welds and they use thinner gauge steel. For example I see the Cannon 64 is only 675lbs vs Liberty’s Fatboy JR (same measurements and fire rating), Liberty almost 100lbs more.That’s purely steel. I cannot recommend a safe way to move one down/up stairs if you’ve never done it. Honest to Odin, if it goes wrong it can go very wrong (i.e. extensive home remodel repairs, safe not functioning anymore, someone needing surgery or worse). In most any village I’ve found a nearby safe mover for folks who reached out.
I have always considered most Liberty models door weak because of their lack of plate steel in the door. In fact, with most Liberty safes just trying to find out how much steel is even in the door below the Presidential model or National series is a mystery. Several years ago, they came up with "Pry Stop Tabs" to help keep the pry attacks down but later came up with those "Military Style Bars" which was probably an improvement. However, if they would have just made the door using plate steel the way Fort Knox or American Security does, they could have avoided all of this.
Very well said, thanks for dropping by. The steel content of their door is typically whatever thickness the body is constructed of plus a sheet of equal to or just less thickness. Kinda depends by model. A Presidential/Magnum is constructed of 7 gauge steel and then there’s a secondary layer of 1/4” behind that. As you go down like Lincoln & maybe Franklin have a 12 gauge liner. Then the next couple series like Colonial & USA are 2 pieces of 12 gauge stacked. Then after those in Freedom and Centurion have a 14 gauge plate in the center. Of course the National Security Classic Extreme 60 has a solid 3/8” steel plate door.
Can you also speak to how browning does their door?
@@kasper6951 Exceptionally similar process as Liberty. Certain lines only have up to an additional 12 gauge behind the door and it gets thicker up to 1/4” the higher the safe you go.
HOW ABOUT A "WHO WOULD HAND OVER THE MASTER CODE TO THE FBI TEST" LIBERTY SAFE FAILS EVERY TIME!
What were your thoughts on the Browning? Have you seen one in person before?
After looking at both the Prestige 33 and Lincoln 25 - my choice would be the Lincoln ,1k cheaper for basically the same gauge body steel and same warranty. The only difference I see is more fire resistant material in the Browning, by about 150lbs. Now the Lincoln 40 is a bit bigger for the same price, and would be a closer comparison, in that case I would go Browning for the aesthetics. Unfortunately for me I can’t get either one into my basement due to a sharp 90 degree turn, so I have to select a modular option. Nice video.
First of all, thank you for watching. I love hearing you break down and sort through your decision factors this way. When people learn about these safes and really make an informed choice it genuinely warms the heart, it means your planning for the future better. Being in Texas I don’t get a lot of chances to work with basement applications and learn more of them in general. I hate you can’t do what you want and genuinely wish I could be there to help get what you want in. Silly question, I know, but you have discussed with a local/nearby safe delivery company, yes? The equipment we have at our disposal these days mixed with the tricks we learn along the way make us dangerous. Hahaha. And id you’re not moving in the next 10 years…….might not hurt to take out that sharp 90 degree corner impeding your progress and rebuild it after installation of the safe.
You failed to mention the size of the steel. Was it 3ga? Was it 7ga, etc? What ga of steel on the door? Saw a resent video of someone just defeating the side of a similar Liberty with just a few swings of a fireman's axe. So, I would assume a 10ga or thiner. No, thank you.
@@racefan6668 Did I really? Weird. It’s not a spec video, as much as how one company does what the other one does. But 10g. Can you share the link to the video you’re referencing?
@A1LocksmithofTexas I am researching to buy a safe, and I came across Sturdy safe videos. The inside is not as nice as the ones on your video, but darn if it's not an actual safe and not an RSC. I did call them today, and I can order the safe without an interior. I am planning on ordering the Browning Axis kit and installing it in the Sturdy.
@ Sturdy is a different animal. Everything is essentially a RSC, but there are levels of its. I’ve heard mixed results on that, I’ve been told multiple times the Axis interior wasn’t for resale, but I’ve also heard someone say they did buy it. Good luck! You check out the AMSEC BFll safes or RF safes? There are many series safes out there for sure, just comes down to budget for folks.
@A1LocksmithofTexas I spoke with The Safe House today in TN. They sell an AXIS kit for $715 plus tax and shipping. What I really would want to buy is a Granffunder but she who must be obyed will veto that. The Graffunder B series is another $6k over the Sturdy. I am now trying to climb back out of the gun safe rabbit hole I jumped into last week. Thank you for your time.
@ If anyone can approve it that sale it’s Mark in TN, great guy and great company. Hahaha, man do I feel you, Black Friday and Christmas deals assaulted my wallet this year. Thanks for dropping by our channel, let me knwo how it works out. Make a video after installing!
Price of both safes as shown?
@@Birdog62The Browning ProSteel safe in this video was a Prestige 49T Matte Black w/ e-lock , they replaced the Prestige with the Medallion - that’s around $7,199
www.a-1locksmith.com/shop-online/products/all-browning-products/browning-safes/medallion-49t/
Then we have a Lincoln 50 in white gloss with elock that’s about $6809
www.a-1locksmith.com/shop-online/products/all-liberty-products/liberty-safes/lincoln/
That is a legitimate real name.
It’s a family name, passed down for 10 generations.
You missed the most important feature of these safes which is how much steel is in the body and the door. The rest is pretty much irrelevant.
Thanks for watching. Long and short this was “how Liberty does it vs how Browning ProSteel does it”, but so much a direct comparison of the Lincoln vs the Prestige. Easy fix though: both safes are constructed of a 10 gauge steel body and door. The Lincoln has an inner door steel plate of 12 gauge and the Browning ProSteel has an inner door steel plate of 10 gauge. I hope that helps
My 3" side grinder. With a cutting wheel opens these tin cans in 5 minutes.
Please post a video to validate your claim ! ! !
Liberty Safe vs. Fort Knox. That's what I wana see. A true torture test. Lets see who wins 🏆
Hahaha I like the way you think 💪🏻😎
@@A1LocksmithofTexas Both are Top Quality. Put Liberty's best safe which is the Presidential up against Fort Knox's Best safe which would be the Legend and let see who wins. From a 15 min break in torture test to a fire 🔥 test. There has to be only 1 winner. Id definitely pay to see that.
You don't wanna see anything through liberty safe. Look up Nathan Hughes. They handed the master code over to a safe to the FBI with no. Legal obligation whatsoever. They're supposed to be another legal process before that happens, but it took one phone call.
@@Sal.357Liberty might have good safes, but the company backing them is dog s*** look up Nathan Hughes.
And how liberty f****** over with the FBI no legal obligation whatsoever and they handed his master coat over. They're supposed to be another legal process before that happens
The corner bolts would sell me on a larger safe. Also, money is made on safes two ways: build and sell them. Then, insure them 😅. Another 130 dollars for lifetime warranty on the lock alone. Next, insure the bolts, hinges squeaking, interiors, house flooring collapse, extra 30 minutes fire rating, etc.
Sheesh. Knowing most safes will never be broken into or burned, this is pure gold money. I will insure your safe too. 😊. A thousand safes at 130 each for 130,000 dollars. I may have to ship 3 new touch pads at 40 bucks each. Let's do this!
We all pay for auto insurance and health insurance that we may never use, that’s what insurance is. That’s why it’s an option , a gamble if you will. No?
Fort Knox has always, always given a lifetime warranty on the locks they put on their safes, and the locks they install are Sargent and Greenleaf ( the best quality lock, bar none ), which is obviously a separate company, but none the less FN warranty's the S&G lock for life. And of course they have the same warranty as everybody else with fire and attempted break in. I have chosen Fort Knox 2 times. For their beauty and options but mainly for their fire resistance. They posted a fire test where the fire department was conducting a ' burn to learn' on a building, where they placed two safes. One a relatively inexpensive safe of an unnamed mfg. and one of their I think a ' Defender ' models. They put various items of the same nature in each safe and then told the fire dept. to set 'er on fire ( the building that is ). That fire got into 2000 degrees plus in temp. When it was all said and done the contents of the inexpensive safe were toast. However the contents of the Fort Knox survived pretty much unscathed. Another safe that does well in an extended burn down of the building it resided in is made by American Security, a brand I have taken a serious look at as well.
@@larkinoo We do love S&G locks and if you’re thinking about AMSEC we have a lot of videos posted with more coming soon!
For years I have looked at Lib safes as top-of-the-line with the perk of all the added accessories that you can add. While I don't understand what they did and why, it's total BS. In addition to that, I think customers should make their own decisions as to where they put their hard-earned cash. One thing is for sure, I won't be getting a lib safe, even more so after reading their "damage control" press release. One simple question I have is, why not order a safe with a traditional mechanical lock, then as soon as possible have the local locksmith change the combo?? I get that in certain times of need you will want quick access. If that is such the case, why not get a 'hidden in plain sight' piece of furniture that is locked and provides quick access?!
Thanks for watching. Customers definitely have several options for their safe shopping. And with safes you have many of options of locks, too. Changing to combo of a mechanical lock is a quick fix. Certain keypad locks have the ability to wipe them of any manufacture fail safes. Your idea of “hidden in plain site” tracks, too. After using a mechanical dial it becomes muscle memory and becomes fairly quick to access. It just depends on someone’s idea of “quick access” or their idea of a “self defense weapon” and how to store it. If it’s just a pistol perhaps a pistol vault would be more ideal. Thanks, again!
After what happened today, do you understand? The gov will and does abuse their power as much as they can get away with. I don't blame Liberty as much as the overbearing corrupt gov. The poor guy at Liberty had to decide between the code or having every gov agency at the door Monday morning. In addition to endless gov harassment for years. If they didn't give the code, they would be out of business. There was no right choice in that situation.
Nothing on the steel thickness of the browning.
Both safes in this video are 10 gauge steel.
What the difference in price
@@trevorforbes2382 In these two models about $100 more for the Browning, it’s about $6800 vs $6900. Again, this video was more common differences between Liberty and Browning higher end safes. It wasn’t so much specifically these 2, but I guess it could be looked at that way, very equally matched safes.
Well I’m stuck trying to figure out what safe to get. Want a Fort Knox but can swing the price for the size I need. By the time I get a classic extreme liberty I’m at FK price. Browning line is just confusing!! There is two totally different lines. No rhyme or reason. To who sells what line. And the difference between them all is not made super clear.
@@trevorforbes2382 Haha, it can be a lot. If you were here in Texas I’d tell you to come by the showroom. It helps to have someone who does this with you. Steel is what drives the costs on these. That and American made cost more. Browning & ProSteel made changes this year that will simplify their catalog. Call me Monday and I’ll walk you through it.
BECKER!! lol........ ProSteel for the win!
Thanks for watching!
The sides, bottom and top of the Liberty is one piece of sheet that is bent into a box. The back is a seperate sheet. At least the YT video of the plant tour says so. Browning does not make their safes. Pro Steel Security Products actually makes the safe for Browning.
@@daverotroff6873 Yup! I usually state the same facts in of our videos. If I failed to in this particular video, my apologies. Liberty used to refer to it as their two piece body, but have since renamed and trade marked it Dual Fusion. ProSteel and Browning began their relationship in the early to mid 80’s, I wanna say 86. It was/is a great relationship, two quality companies that came together to offer great gun safes. We have had the opportunity several times to visit both companies facilities and there are so many great people who make these products. Both are in Utah, as is Champion/Superior and Fort Knox.
@@A1LocksmithofTexas I have always thought it odd that several safe makers were headquartered in Utah. My brother bought a Browning ProSteel Silver series many years ago. Seemed well built but it was just a big steel box. No fire protection at all. Ya gotta pay attention to what your buying in relation to what you want. Thanks for your videos.
@@daverotroff6873 Thank you so much for watching and commenting. So many safes in 30ish years ago were just that, big steel boxes with exterior hinges. Very vanilla. That’s what catapulted Liberty ahead of the game. They were doing fire rated, they were doing shelves, cleaner interiors, interior hinges, offering warranties, etc. Thanks, again for checking and please ask any questions we can help with.
Correction: Browning ProSteel says "Made in China" on the inside door edge. 1200 degrees at 30 minutes. Smaller 30" wide safe, IP60. 1" bolts. Big difference from the larger safe you are testing.
Do you mean another safe you’ve seen or a safe you own is China made with 1” bolts?
Many are made in Mexico.
This whole interior vs exterior hinge comparison is nonsense! There is no advantage to having interior hinges! The dead bolts on both doors will ensure the door remain closed and not able to open even if the hinges are cut off ! ! ! So what's the point of having interior hinges ??!!!
@@LWRC You’re right, bolts on multiple sides of the door makes interior vs exterior hinges less worrisome. I’m always quick to point out nothing happening when you cut the hinges, so long as there are bolts on multiple sides. And explain why. I bet I get that question weekly or at least once every other week. And I promise you, when we show up to open a safe after someone has attempted to drill/cut it open…there’s almost always cuts on the hinges. Hahaha. It all stems back many years ago when the goal wasn’t security or modularity, it was a heavy steel box. Interior hinges make it harder to know exactly where to cut, if you were gonna try. That’s exactly what we’re trying to do on this channel, educate 🤠🤠
@@A1LocksmithofTexas
Thanks for sharing the details. I knew it didn't make any sense and certainly is not a positive selling point!
Also, I noticed that these newer safes have steel bars instead of 1" diameter deadbolts that extend from the door into the body - has anyone done any tests to prove that these bars give more protection than the deadbolts? Maybe it would take longer if they tried to cut it with an acelyene torch but I don't think that would be the smart approach! It would seem like this is another marketing gimmic that adds costs but doesn't really give any value ! ! !
I still like the idea of ball bearings by the combination lock to defeat drill attacks ! ! ! That was the BOMB ! ! 👍👍👍
@@LWRC Actualky, the flat bars Liberty are using are less expensive, which allows them to not have to increase pricing and they’re definitely stronger. I try to show it in a lot of our videos how a 1” round bolt only makes contact at one point. The flat bar is touching completely, it has 12x the contact radius vs the 1” bolt. The first time I saw them test this was in 2018 at their facility, I think it was 2018, but it did very well. They laid the Colonial 23 on the concrete , welding angle iron around it and welded eye hooks to the door. Connected a hydraulic pull to it and this 500lbs safe made of 11g or 12 g steel with 3/16” flat bars for to 15,000lbs and still didn’t open. It was impressive. Not that prying doors open is a thing, for the most part, but it definitely wasn’t just marketing.
Motion sensor Led lighting has become SOOO extremely cheap, especially if you’re buying in bulk like a damn safe manufacturing company would be, that it is a sin that they don’t all come with proper lighting. Like my local dollar store has motion sensor led strips for gods sake. How are some of these multi thousand dollar safes either not come with lighting OR come with shitty lighting? Like that browning lighting is so bad 😂 only lighting up the centre right side, nothing in the top compartment, nothing that shines top down. Not good man
@@Nightfall-TCG Great catch, we noticed after editing the lights weren’t plugged in on one side, so that’s actually completely our fault. In all honesty I get what you’re saying, but this past year we’ve seen more and more safes coming with lights. And a lot of today’s light kits actually allow you to set them up however you want, so you can put a light higher. However, you’re right, there are even cheaper option out there.
@@A1LocksmithofTexas yeah it’s just crazy that it’s still something that we as consumers are expected to buy separately from these companies after spending so much for the safe itself. I just bought one & didn’t realize it didn’t have any lights. Had to buy these magnetic motion sensor lights off Amazon which work great but it really should be standard practice for these companies to have them built in. I’m glad to hear you say you’re seeing more companies including them because it really is such a cheap thing for them to include but it makes the safe feel 1000X better when you swing the door open and it lights up immediately. Adds a certain level of luxury to it.
@@Nightfall-TCG You feel like Batman going into the bat cave without them, I know. I’m glad to hear your lights are working out. And appreciate ya watching!
Haahahahahahahahahaha. Is that your members only jacket?
I still had it from my high school chess club tournaments hahahaha
Is that triple H?😂
I was about to say “I don’t get it” , but then I googled him first. Hahaha.
:)
This video literally told us nothing.
Sorry you feel that way, but what questions are you left wondering?
@@A1LocksmithofTexas How much did Liberty pay you to do such a low-down thing?
F liberty gun safes
Does this guy actually own a this business? Whoa!!