@WinstonMoroe with Konami seemingly letting indie devs try their hands at the series I could see the signals getting the chance to make one! It just depends on whether they want to :P
@Dman You're so salty it's beyond sad, it's like you live to be disappointed No matter if the game would actually be good, all you would be doing is just cherry-picking every possible problem and use it to hide all the good they could do I saw OG RE4 fans doing the same with its remake
To respect the original. Don't change the story, the controls, camera angles, soundtrack and voice acting. Just improve the graphics, add an easter egg or two and just remake the game. It's perfect as is, just update the graphics.
huh, you're right man, never thought about Eddie being under utilized due to how powerful Angela and James' stories were. In a longer remake, they could spend some time building him up properly towards his boss encounter when he goes mad.
@@Sputnik34 what is in the fog ? these are games I have of the horror series . Silent Hill 2 & 3 . Downpour . Homecoming . " so you wanna be on danger tainment Pyramid Man alright let's see what you got . " great video more please .
I hope they stick to the core premise of this game. Keep it psychological and horror style scary we don’t need combat build systems and new enemy types we need dark nasty hallways, static radio that is the only thing telling you when certain enemies are getting closer, and great soundtrack/cutscenes that’s stay true to the story. If they took notes from silent hill pt i wouldn’t be upset and there’s nothing wrong with fixed camera angels giving the player less control can make a game more scary
RE enemy variety: It might not even be necessary to create new enemy designs. Bloober could instead modify enemy behaviors as the game (or an individual level) goes on. For example, use nurses exclusively in the hospital level. When James first enters the hospital, they have sticks and pipes, but as the level progresses, they could have knives then maybe guns. So even though, it's the same enemy design with the same symbolic meaning, their behaviors and threat level escalates. Similar things could be done with the lying figures and mannequins such that they become more aggressive and more threatening in later parts of the game.
I partly agree with you. I think aggressiveness and new weapons are not totally necessary, they could just modify behaviour and make it more unpredictable and disturbing because I think some of the enemies are not as much there to kill you, but to make you uncomfortable. I think it is receptiveness what we are discussing to eliminate.
The Town gave Eddie a chance to change and be a great guy, instead of a creepy murderous weirdo. Eddie failed his self redemption. James would have failed too if he just blew his brains out. But James succeeded in facing his fear, removing the guilt and forgiving himself.
I think any combat/gameplay change to specifically James and Eddie showdown would be for the better. That close and personal shooting clownery always kinda broke my immersion.
For the most part the game didn't have fixed camera. It didn't gave full control over it but you could have it go behind James most the time. It's a middle ground. They could just do it like the Resident Evil Remakes where when you had the flashlight on the camera would always be looking in the direction of the light, so it could give you surprises by the sides or behind.
I hope to god it’ll be good. I have neither pure optimism nor total dismissal about the project. I guess I’m hopeful, at least. Also, I hope the pressure legitimately is unbearable. They’re going to disappear forever if this tanks and Konami is going to continue to be looked at like a joke. This is kind of going to be a big deal. They should take it pretty damn seriously.
Everyone says in the original Silent Hill 2's combat was like 'intentionally lame'. I don't think that was the case. I think the combat doesn't have to be shitty and still can remain scary. It doesn't have to be an action game, but it can be more 'Frantic'.
@@Sputnik34 You're welcome :) To explain what I mean further; I don't think SH2's combat mechanics were intentionally bad. I think they were just doing what the conventional thing to do was at the time for combat in those types of games.
The remake is in a tough spot. Change too much and fans will complain. Change hardly anything and fans will complain it's too similar and to just play the original. Hopefully it's good whatever the finished game is like.
It doesn't require much improvement on the story. Leave the original soundtrack, especially the "Toluca Prison Basement" and "Forest Trails". Make combat a slightly better and make controls more responsive. Add more puzzles, add more variety, but do not cut any! Add Pyramid Head to some locations to stalk James like Mr X in RE2...
I don't think stalking PyramidHead is a good idea. Not only it would be considered as a copy of Resident Evil 2 Remake, but also PH instead of being scary, would be just a pain in the ass.
I'm staying optimistic about the remake. I mean as long as Bloober stays faithful to the spirit of the original and I do think they will, I think it'll be great. They couldn't do any worse than the HD Collection. If they're smart, they'll build they're game on the bones of the original like Bluepoint did with the Shadow of the Colossus remake.
I'm passively excited about it. I'll still play it but I wouldn't be surprised if it's bad, and even if it's good I'll still do what I usually do, beat SH2 once a week constantly. I will admit anything added to the gameplay is for the better, as jank as it is. It is virtually impossible to even get hit by an enemy in this game since you can just stun them to death
No faith, no confidence in the remake whatsoever. It's easy to remake a game like RE because the core of the experience is related to the mechanics. SH is about vibe, specifically subtlety, something Bloober hasn't implemented in virtually any of their games, nor do any but the FromSoft titles implement.
I dont think SH2 needs a remake. Everything that makes SH2 great was a product of its time. The casting of the voice actors, the beautiful but kinda uncanny graphics of its time. Its all lightning in a bottle you cant capture twice.
I feel like I’m gonna be in the minority here, but making the confrontation with Eddy feel less like a “boss fight” would really help to preserve my willful suspension of disbelief. Practically every fiber of the game is so immersive, but repeatedly hammering shotgun shells into a normal human being always seemed silly to me.
It could be any developer making this game, i fully trust that it won't be near as good as the first due to the legacy the original left. There isnt enough integrity and respect for art left in the gaming market to make a near-perfect video game on a AAA platform. There WILL be higher ups and publishers looking to make as much money off it as possible, at any cost. Dont expect the SH2 you played on the Playstation back in the day. Expect to play the resident evil 4 remake you played on your PS5.
All remakes need to look to re1 remake. Admittedly, re1 was pretty rough, even if beloved. Sh2 still holds up pretty well visually and mechanically. For me, I just want more fluid controlls. If it looks nicer and the radio works better, that's great. Although, maybe giving players slightly different routs would be cool.
@Dman you can choose any developer you want to make the game, it's the publishers and higher ups that ruin games now. Bloober know EXACTLY how much pressure is on them and I can promise you that each and every one of them are pouring everything their souls have in them into this game. Higher ups, investors, publisher etc. don't give a rats ass about anything other than making as much money as possible and hitting deadlines at the cost of game quality. See Redfall for my point.
I like SH2 but more SH4, and I will prefer a remake of that one than this one, simple, bc SH4 has more potential, and more stuff to add, like more bosses, more scenarios, Nowhere isn't created, which was a shame, played wirh Eileen, know more about Henry, add P.T. elements, stopped the recycle in the second part of the game, add more endings, also an UFO one. SH4 has a lot of potential for a remake. SH2 is more difficult, but SH2 has to be bc there is a new movie Return to SH, and the topic is James and Mary, now on cinema. Therefore this is a Konami advertising move, a remake has to be done. One thing that put a positive in this is Masahiro Ito, bc he was one of members of KCET, the oriiginal ones, he was there from the start. This guy know all the plots of SH, and he also mentined that SH2 was bigger than the final result, but the team silent discored that PS2 was difficult to work, they removed a lot of material. In this remake they can add more of that delete stuff. Bloober team isn't good on plot, but they don't need to create one, they just need to copy, and expand some stuff, like PH lore I guess, konami is eager to this, PH is the mascot of the game, they need to give him a more broad meaning. Playing with Angela, and Eddie that's also another important idea, see other perspectives with different characters, rhat's another good point in this remake.
Bloober's remake will certainly be very different, that much is already apparent. if you're hoping for something like the original, the emotions are already all wrong. as in, they are far too present. In the original, James walked around blase pretty much throughout, whether that was due to lack of animation skill (probably not), hardware capabilities (I don't think so either), or some other kind of constraint or shortcoming. whether that was intentional or not, the end result is somewhat disconcerting, and really makes you think. does he really know what happened? does he even care? is he running on steam, so weary and tired from what happened that he can't react to anything like a normal human would? is he so traumatized that he's repressing everything? The Bloober remake has James look broken down, almost like he's on the verge of tears throughout the footage we've seen so far, looking a bit more like one would expect to react to something like this. A good analogy would be the song "Last Kiss" and its versions done by The Cavaliers and Pearl Jam. the song is a story told by a man who lost his love in a car crash. The Cavaliers version is upbeat, completely incongruous with the words and events in the song. That version always gave me the impression the guy doesn't even realize what he's saying, he's so traumatized that he doesn't believe it. Pearl Jam's version is slow, weepy, sad, what you would expect from a song about boo hoo hoo my girlfriend is dead. For me, The Cavaliers version hits so much harder because it's not in line with expectations, and you end up thinking the guy is in complete denial, and that when it does hit, he's gonna be completely devastated. The Pearl Jam version shows me a guy already in the healthy stages of grieving. No denial detected. He's sad, but he'll get over it and get on with life. What does this have to do with anything? I get the impression that the Bloober version is more in line with Pearl Jam's "Last Kiss": James is sad, he knows it, he really knows what's up, but he's already grieving, and he'll get over it. The original SH2 is The Cavalier's version: James is in complete denial, doesn't even know why he's there, repressing everything including normal emotions, and when it does get to him, it will wipe him out.
I've seen the majority of complaints and concerns being based on James "overreacting" and only because of this people are already giving up on the whole game That feels disingenuous, because those were the scenes where James normally did act the most in the whole game, like elevator chase, or double Pyramid Head And talking about dodges, I hope they won't make it too easy and trivialize combat, but at the same time combat in OG was also trivial, (besides one chase on hard) everything was easy with wooden plank and the game gave you a lot of ammo It's definitely too early to make proper judgment, but so far I don't feel discouraged
Then like the new team you clearly don't understand subtle storytelling, James is suppose to be basically on auto pilot as he's had a mental breakdown he's not reacting to much because he's not well mentally, he act's emotional when he kills the two Pyramid Heads, because it symbolizes he no longer feels guilty (there's two because he's killed two people Maria and Eddie) for killing, it's stuff like that we as fans can tell the new team have no idea it just fly's over there head.
@@robmorris4056 "Act's emotional when he kills the two Pyramid Heads", great, so just like in the remake, if you paid attention to the cutscene they have shown Just the same as elevator scene where he screams like crazy when Maria is about to be killed, just like OG It's funny seeing people insisting their own headcanons of James being such a "stoic" character, when he already had a range of emotions before double Pyramid Head No wonder this fandom is so miniscule, when you have a load of pedantic egoists who have their own delusional, perfect imagination of a game, and everything else is a sacrilege for them
@@spicydong317 No ones trying to gatekeep or make headcanon, we just no the game inside and out, to repeat myself James isn't suppose to be an emotional mess he only reacts like that in the lift screen because he's reminded of Marry, he reacts to most things either weird or indifferent like the first encounter with a Lying figure or when he sticks his hand in the toilet or hole in the apartments.
@@spicydong317 Clearly you think Bloober team are on point with this remake, so all i can say is let's see the Prison cut-scene in the remake and we will get a true scale as to how good or bad they understand the original, because we can just look to the hd colection and see the new voice actor voice both Maria and Marry the same and completely butcher that scene.
Some silent hill 2 puzzles are not good. Using canned juice to clear a garbage chute, when you have other heavy items on the inventory makes no sense at all. It’s not clever, not good. It’s ok to acknowledge what doesn’t work on the original game. I hope they fix those details and leave the mood intact.
The combat is the area with the most potential for meaningful expansion. It doesn't need to be in league with a Platinum Games title, but I highly disagree with the crowd that thinks it should be left alone. Video games have the unique position of being able to communicate themes and ideas through their interactive elements. I understand that James is an every-man, and that should come through, but he is a man with a propensity for violence. I think it would be interesting if the game's combat was used in a way to help convey that. You need to believe he is capable of committing horrible acts. Hopefully this is something Blooper is considering as watching the trailer, you can see a ferocity in James' swings when he's attacking that Nurse in the hallway.
I’m on the side of complete dismissal. Silent Hill 2 didn’t need a remake. As opposed to say RE1 on the Psone. SH2 came at the right time technically. It is for all intents and purposes. Perfect. Its story was told, and the visuals hold up. Silent Hill 4 is the game more deserving of a remake. If for no other reason than to clean up the 2nd half of the game.
I believe all Silent Hill games must be retold we need them to be different without taking away everything which makes these stories interesting for all gamer fans of this .
regarding combat: I don't think it should be improved. James is NOT a soldier. Dodging etc would be unrealistic and immersion breaking. The original combat wasn't "fun" on a technical level, but to me, that's the point. It's not FUn to kill these creatures. Combat isn't the focus, it's activly discouraged in the original AND NO GODDAMN UPGRADES please. This RPG shit is annoying. No open world.
@@Sputnik34 I'd try, but I very much doubt that I could do it reliably. The combat has to be sort of bad imho, since you are not a trained fighter. I Think, most people would fight like James does in the original: unelegantly swining a pipe in the direction of an enemy That, to me, is where Resident Evil and Silent Hill differ the most. Resi is combat focussed due to the characters being from the military. Silent Hill is the opposite of a power fantasy
In fact I also fear that the SH2 remake by Bloober won't meet expectations. I've played Layers of Fear 1+2 plus DLCs, "The Observer", "The Medium" and "Blair Witch". They are phantastic at creating atmosphere, absolutely phantastic. BUT... they never know when to stop. This problem had "The Observer" as well. When you enter people's minds some scenes are just way too long. The same with Blair Witch, the house at the end of the game is just too long. It kills all horror if you keep extending the scenes with more and more jumpscares and completely kills the atmosphere and makes you wish for that scene to end finally.
The point about the combat. I 100% disagree. Survival horror combat interactions are all about decision making and resource management. You have limited ammo. You have limited non-regenerating health and healing items. You enter a room. There is an enemy. You must decide right then and there if it makes sense to run away and try to avoid the attacks of the enemy or fight. If you run you save ammo but could risk taking damage. Also, if you will enter this room again in the future you might have to make the same decision again. If you decide to fight then you have to decide if it is worth using ammo, or risk taking damage by using a melee weapon. Also, what kind of ammo you want to use if you have multiple guns. If you implement a dodge system then you completely break this decision-making. There is no fight or flight or item management decision-making. If you can dodge and kill every enemy with melee weapons then you stockpile ammo and the enemies get less scary because of all your recourses. Part of why these games are scary is because the main character does not control like a normal action game. Cannot get skilled when it comes to combat. The skill comes from fight or flight decision making and resource management. You are supposed to be put in tough situations. These tough situations are supposed to be tense because you are just a normal guy and have to risk taking damage or use ammo in every encounter. If you implement a dodge system, then the player will most likely master it at some point. Every fight would likely become trivial and the game would not be scary anymore.
I mean...is silent Hill 2 still scary? You get used to the combat in that game by the end. I would never say that it's combat is worsened in it's intentions by the end
Wait, you actually think there was a meaningful choice in SH2? "Cannot get skilled when it comes to combat"? Did we play the same game? And here I though killing enemies was the only optimal way even on hard, because the game always gave me enough ammo and wooden plank was that good for the beginning I can see speedrunners run past enemies, but it's just nothing more than self-imposed challenge For what it's worth, SH2 is a really easy game combat-wise compared to maybe RE1 that had better balancing
@@Sputnik34 The game is scary in the beginning, but due to poor difficulty balancing it becomes much less scary half way through. On a side note, survival horror games need to be short because you get used to the game, which makes it less scary as the game goes on. This is inevitable. If you're good with recourse management then you stockpile those resources, which makes the game easier and less scary. If you're bad a recourse management then you'll eventually dig yourself into such a deep hole that you'll probably have to restart, and no one wants to restart if the game is long. If you play the game blind on hard for the first time the beginning and the apartment section are legit hard and scary. Part of the reason why its scary is because of lack of weapons, health, and ammo. Lack of familiarity is also a big factor. The Hospital is still scary because the nurses are such an excellently designed enemy. The way they move is scary. The noises they make are scary (they scream at you). Ect. After the hospital the game gets less scary. The run around the town part isn't scary because by then you've figured out that you can easily avoid and outrun every enemy in this area, and you can find recourses throughout the town without having to spend any. In the prison section, there aren't any new enemies. So you're basically fighting the same enemies that you fought in the apartment, but this time you have a better melee weapon, more guns, more ammo, more healing items, and you're already gotten used to the enemies so they aren't as threatening or scary anymore. Gameplay wise I feel like this is the weakest section of the game. So, survival horror games will eventually lose the fear factor because you get used to them, you know what to expect, and possibly because you stockpile resources and enemy encounters become benign. If you add a dodge mechanic you will just exacerbate the problem. Enemy encounters will just become trivial earlier and you'll stockpile resources faster.
@@spicydong317 "Meaningful choice"? I never said this phrase. Please explain what you think this means? That's right. You cannot become "skilled" when it comes to shooting your gun. There is no aiming. The gun combat is just about recourse management. It's not like a shooter where you can become better at head shots and take out enemies faster. You can become a little bit more skilled when it comes to melee combat. That is all about timing. It is about attacking after the enemy misses an attack so that you can dish out damage without taking any. It is not like a normal action game where you learn combos, learn special moves, and master the dodge button mechanic, or whatever. My biggest problem with Silent Hill 2 was how they handled the combat difficulty settings. Normal mode was way, way too easy. On hard mode the designers did not adjust the amount of ammo and healing items in the game. Instead they slightly upped enemy damage, slightly upped the amount of health normal enemies have, made the enemies attack slightly faster/more often, and then it seemed like they gave the boss enemies about 3 or 4 or 5 times the amount of health, which was a terrible decision. This made boss fights monotonous because they lasted so long and it made the rest of the game lose tension because you would walk around with hundreds of rounds of ammunition by mid game. The better decision would have been to give the player far fewer recourses on hard (especially ammo), only give the bosses a slight health increase, and give the bosses a damage increase. I say "especially ammo" because I feel like the game is scarier when you have to deal with normal enemies with melee weapons. If you give the player more ammo, but fewer healing items that you will incentivize the player to "play it safe" by not taking damage. If there is a lack of ammo, then the player will be more incentivized to save ammo by either fighting with melee weapons or running. And when you have to get close to enemies then you have to deal with their attacks and tension of the radio noise and the enemy noises. If you give an abundance of ammo then the player does not have to deal with this as often because they can incapacitate enemies before they get within striking distance. One of the problems with Silent Hill 2 was the stockpiling of recourses. The beginning and the apartment section was perfect on hard. Lots of enemies. Unfamiliarity with the game. A weak melee weapon. Not much ammo and healing items. The hospital section was great too (in part because the nurse enemy was designed so well), but after the hospital the player's ability to stockpile resources was too great and the enemies weren't threatening enough. If one of the main groups of people that you take into consideration when designing a game is speed runners then you'll probably end up making a game that is unplayable for just about everyone else. I wouldn't base anything design decisions based on what a tiny group of speed runners are doing.
By the way, I am not saying that Silent Hill 2 did a good job with the combat design overall. I have been explaining what makes good survival horror combat. If you want an example of good survival horror combat then play the remake of RE1. Silent Hill 2's failed combat-wise in a few ways. 1. The action difficulty settings were poorly designed. Normal was too easy. Hard became very easy halfway through the game. 2. On hard they made the bosses into bullet sponges. Instead for Hard Mode they should have adjusted ammo and health layouts and increased the damage enemies dealt. 3. On every difficulty setting ammo and health was too plentiful. Very early into the game on Normal you could kill every enemy using guns and never get close to running out of ammo. This made it so you never had to make tough decisions. You could just shoot every enemy. You never had to decide between fight or flight. You never needed to take the risk of using melee weapons. All the remake has to do to make the combat good is rework the difficulty settings so that the amount of ammo and health available in each difficulty setting is appropriate. Easy should be the mode where you can just shoot your way through everything. Normal should be the difficulty setting where beginner players have enough ammo and health so that they can make mistakes and bad decisions occasionally. The game should still be somewhat tense, but not punishing enough to make them revert to previous saves or start over. Hard should be where you don't have enough ammo to kill all the enemies and you don't have enough healing items to take damage on a regular basis. You need to be forced to make tough decisions about when to run and when to fight. When to use ammo, and when to risk taking damage (risk using healing items) by engaging in melee combat.
I also want to explore more of the town but storywise it's important to remember James is on a single-minded mission. Also, if you make optional content overly rewarding I think it would hurt the difficulty level and vibes of the game. My best suggestion is that during the periods where James is on the streets of Silent Hill looking for a way forward, he should have to enter more buildings before making progress. And make these diversions like the bowling alley where you don't find a mechanical reward but instead get a story cutscene or just find something interesting.
I'm not hopeful. There's no way that it's going to be better today than it was back in 2001. Team Silent is necessary for a Silent Hill title to actually be Silent Hill. I guarantee this will launch to lukewarm reception based off of high expectations alone. First off, it's a remake. Bloober (...that name) is obviously going to add unnecessary and extraneous stuff to justify their part in remaking it. There's nothing they could do to make me want to play this beside probably making a 1:1 remake with smoother controls and modern visuals. It looks fundamentally different and loses that eerie ghostlike feel. Overacted mocap face expressions incoming. Second, it's a game that didn't need to be remade in the first place. A remaster would be nice but there's no reason to re-release an altered SH2. It was a masterpiece that was only dated by the stiff tank controls and combat that was common to that generation. edit: and of course Konami is going to puff it up and say it's going to be a worthy successor. But remember that they are Konami. If you don't know what that means just look into it. It goes deep. I don't know a AAA game company that has a worse track record. They drove the Metal Gear and Silent Hill series into the ground by making it impossible for their visionary talent to basically do anything. Then they whored out the franchises to low-level game developers and focused on pachinko machines, proving that they don't give a single s*** about what truly made the company great. They cared more about making money off of people putting little metal balls into pseudo-gambling parlor slot machines.
The fact that James look sad in all the scenes, should tell you how much bloober team don't understand SH2 . ( He's depressed let's make him look sad all the time or people won't get that he's depressed)
I have faith. Bloober is defs not my first choice but i think working on such a important game, they will do everything in their power to not mess it up. If they do, then at least we have the original 😅 The only thing i hope they keep is the atmosphere. The original had such a mastery over it and if they can copy that (or improve 👀) ill be one happy camper :)
they so obviously love this game more than anything so i think it would be the biggest blunder of gaming history if they completely missed the mark. i have a feeling the game will be at least a baseline 7.
I’ll play it and judge it on its own merits. I’ve played every blooober game and they really don’t have the subtlety for silent hill 2. I know they love the game and will give it their best shot, so I am rooting for them. I wish they brought the mediums voice actress over though, she was great. I loved her voice and enjoyed the game for its look. But the story was delivered very poorly. I would like to see a medium 2, just get away from that story line, deliver something like a film version of the sixth sense. Helping out a bunch of people with your powers.
I hope the combat is on a similar vein to Resident Evil 2 Remake or even maybe toned down a bit, I think if you add a full dodge system and crazy features the game will feel almost too 'actiony' and it will remove some of the tension.
Since Silent Hill Downpour already implemented the idea of a semi-open world Silent Hill, It would be nice if Bloober expanded on that original idea and implement optional side quest that unlock new weapons, resources, stat upgrades or even costumes.
I feel like James being more emotional will fit every scene except for the intro cutscene. James was not ”emotional” because the PS2 could not render all emotions and face capture was not advanced, all faces had to be made by developers/artists in the studio.
The real problem is that Silent Hills was a big promise too but it got nuked at the last minute leaving everyone disappointed and deeply resentful. But, add to that, the people who made sequels to Silent Hill also thought they were living up to the hype but, sadly, were just digging the franchise into irrelevance. Silent Hill: Downpour was significantly better than Homecoming but they were both just a game that shared the title and nothing of the mythology. So we have Silent Hill, 2, 3, and Zero (Origins) that sort of circle the same ideas, but everything else are just titled the same. I would say that Shattered Memories is the best "reimagining" of the franchise but it is still a completely different ideology. The fact that we have companies that can redo games, like the recent Dead Space, who "get it" and know how to remaster a perfect experience on modern equipment means that there's potential. But we also have companies that remake content like a drunken Alex Kurtzman who seem to make a new game without ever having played the original - like Resident Evil VII and VIII. I thought Death Stranding was a terrible game but with a great core idea. I have no idea what the Silent Hills game WOULD have been like made by that person who made such a ridiculous game in the first place...but I'm not very sad that we missed that opportunity.
I don't think so. By their previous games they have had games that lack in quality and silent hill 2 is supposed to be a psychological horror. They barely can get actual jump scares and horror atmosphere well done...That and changing that start scene with James touching the side of his cheek instead of the hand over face to make sure he's awake. I have no expectations so i have no disappointments. They need better graphics not a changed product hopefully. I wish to be proven wrong and that they will do a phenomenal job. Your enemy argument is stupid. Most of them are related to james. With the exception of abstract daddy which is a result from angela. All the others are there for a reason for james. Why add something new to it and possibly risk sullying it ? Also combat remake may ruin it. The immobility of james upon contact made you plan ahead and showed how inexperienced he is. He is no fighter. Dodgle, block and sidestepping...If it is a homecoming it is gonna be screwed. Iframing and timing based? No reason to have that and become a modern dodge fest. Eddie could use a glow up on his arc like you've said.
Technically Eddie never actually killed anybody unless you happen to die to him. Any boasts about it was because it feels good. Since then we've had Columbine in a number of other issues so it's actually really really relevant especially given how recent it is. It would be interesting if we could try to save him. Or if saving him is not an option, if we could see the escalation a bit better. It would be interesting if we could see at least a glimpse of what Eddie sees.
@@Sputnik34 I know he claims it, but Ito said that in the story Ed never actually killed anyone but a dog. He shot someone, but didn't actually kill them. Curiously, every dead body we ever see in SH2 is actually James; including the ones Eddie says he didn't do, or claims he did do. Wonder if that'd be a thing James comments on, or just isn't quite aware of again.
If only the team behind the Resident Evil Remake games at Capcom did Silent Hill 2! I don't know why a company who isn't known for games with combat is working on this.
Look. James' face and expression in the mirror is *fucking wrong.* James' demeanor and coldness in the face of the horror he's confronted with is crucial to making the game feel right, and they've already fucked that up. Zero hope. Just accept reality and let your faith in the medium's ability to tell stories in the face of corporate meddling and general AAA incompetence take psychic damage.
I can't see the original being improved on story wise, nor cinematically. Shots like the hospital bed floating in the mist outside the window as the doctor explains to James that there's nothing that can be done for Mary. The OG SH2 is truly a work of art. If Bloober focus on the horror element over the psychological trauma of James they'll get this game really really wrong.
Essay incoming Tldr: You don't capture lightning in a bottle by love and Imitation of a perfect storm. Even the OG team would struggle with this assignment. Bloopy is set up to fail. Imo their eye for environmental design is pretty good. I want to explore the physical worlds they craft no doubt But they just do not understand the "music between the notes" so to say.. of what made these og games/stories stand apart from other media and stay in people's minds for decades ... and barfing loud abuse exposition at you while you're parrrying ghost tentacles with R2.. they just *don't* get it bro. They can be the biggest fans of the originals possible. They can try their best. But... unless Its gonna be shot for shot line for line.. they WILL ruin the narrative. they basically made their vision of a silent hill game already and it was a dumpster fire." Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery." slapping pieces of something you love to make your own Lego version of it isn't. Just an aside on the vets they have tapped Ito can touch up some models for them. Maybe cut a new design or three but he isn't a *game* designer. Amazing artist. He draws rad ass monsters. Cool ass mechanics and tanks.. and big tiddy anime girls. He's not setting the game design world on its heels with innovative combat mechanics okay. He's gonna cash out on this with a director or additional design credit besides his art (and get paid my main man) while just doing his art job. Akira - great musician. Lot of cool influences floating around in his head he manages to make his own but again. Bro is gonna clean up some tracks maybe cut a few new ones then peace out. Gonna get a huge check for a job he won't actually be doing Its just so konami can attach legitimacy to blooper by proxy. in fans eyes who only recognize these guys names as buzzwords and not for their actual wheelhouses it's a homerun. Anyone who's interested in design history or has worked on a project with lots of others would tell you that there were dozens of other hard working weirdos(highest compliment normies don't make cool art) who made that vision come to life and had their fingerprints alongside theirs.
Bloober has already butchered the vibe of the original. Just compare James's face in the mirror. The original cold and void stare and the eerie hand over the face reassurance. And Bloober's James comically frowning and pouting and they adding dialogue to that scene.
If they add a new or just give us a few silent hill 1 creatures might actually be a amazing idea love it PLEASE GOD DONT UPGRADE COMBAT it was literally meant to be janky to add the the horror and helplessness you feel in horror survival god how do people seem to forget or not understand that.
I get that. I understand what the combat was. but it wasn't good lmao. You cant market a game that costs millions and millions of dollars nowadays and have that combat system in it. Realistically, there's no way that they can't upgrade it
nothing special about the silence. as any aaa game these days this needs more time. if bloober is good at something it´s graphics and that´s what a remake needs. I get the pressure as i just replayed sh2. Truly a game on another level
I think they need to use the Mandarin's more. Like, I only remember them appearing like 2 or 3 times the whole game. It would help if they were made into more of the principal enemy for Toluca Prison the way the Nurses were for the Hospital.
I am worried what you say about combat, because to me this is not an action game. Receptiveness however is something that we can eliminate not with more enemies, because we don't need to make it into Zoo either. Just the way enemies behave, could be changed. As the game progresses make them more unpredictable or different, more disturbing.
I know the story and the lore of the game and series. I’m playing my first play through on silent hill 2 right now and getting far and I enjoy it a lot ! However, this franchise has one of the most toxic fan bases I’ve seen. If the game is good y’all gonna complain and if it’s bad y’all are gonna complain. I would enjoy the fact that they updated the game and made it current alone.
your open world section sounds kinda like the side content in Downpour... then again, that was pretty much the only good stuff in Downpour. So it might be alright
I always found the original mid, honestly The bleak atmosphere bummed me out too much I hope this remake has more of the mindfuckery "The Shining" vibes
@@Sputnik34 no, but it is a friendly reminder in general. The final product & player experience matters first & foremost. Trailers & news are important information, but it’s wise to try & keep ourselves reasonably conserved & restrained until then. It’s easy to get sucked into mass hype, & if things go south, it can serve a negative effect from setting up unrealistic expectations that games can’t reasonably Achieve. - If things go right, then you have the ability to better appreciate something based on your own investment & details. Sh2 is the make or brake scenario thanks to Konami’s history. Remakes won’t replace their source material, but they should try their bestest. It’s gonna be hard, because allot of “weirdness” in how SH (Team Silent) plays is by intention - both for mechanical & contextual reasons-, Add 2’s plethora of subtle details that impact the game in ways you won’t notice right away - & you’ve got a real challenge with balancing & adapting. Bloober definitely has allot on their plate, one to hope they can stomach down (so to speak). ~ even though I personally am not very impressed by what was shown (even as a Silent Hill late-comer who hadn’t played many titles {yet}), There’s still a fair chance they can put something out that’s both a pleasant surprise, & at least feels like it has care put in. - if things sadly go the other way, then at least we have other games to play. Apologies for the word-salad. Allot of thoughts are hard to condense for time-sake.
The fact that Blooberteam is remaking it is very disheartening for me personally.. Especially considering the CGI trailer they showed has James Sunderland looking like a half assed version of his cartoon counterpart which looked more unsettling because of how remarkably stupid he looked compared to how he should look-
Did I really hear words "stamina management" and s" in discussion of Silent Hill 2? I don't think author understands what he's talking about. Look at RE4 remake, i doubt it has any s, lol. That's not the point of Silent Hill 2.
SH2 is arguably my favorite game of all time I know what makes the game good. I am just spitballing ideas that could make the remake worthy of playing and ways that they could mechanically improve the game
@@Sputnik34 Fair enough. Mine too😁 Making suggestions like that is fine, I guess, but really I'm not sure if any of the fans will care so much about fight system in general. Monsters in SH2 is more like a nuisance, not a critical part, and putting a lot of emphasis on fighting can shift attention away from other aspects. The atmosphere suppose to be their general focus. After all, James is not Leon or Chris.
@@Sputnik34 not when I commented, but that's the entire point of using a question as a title. To have people comment their perspective before watching.
Yes, more creatures. Throw some unique ones that you don't find anywhere else to keep you on your toes (mandarins don't count, those things hardly impact anything). More places to explore, being optional sounds great. Always wanted that. But the changes to combat sounds awful, I wish they left it as it was. The good "bad" controls of the original survival horror games are actually a plus, not a detriment, to the overall atmosphere and general feeling of the game. If we get to dodge, parry, and have a "skill" based combat, that would change the mood too much.
I think that managing stamina coupled with still stiff, but more interesting combat would be a nice balance and still be in respect to the original games intention and tone
@@Sputnik34 Managing stamina, yes, I have no problem with that. Only with reflex based stuff and timing, like i-frames and dodges a la Dark Souls. I kinda prefer positioning and maintaning distance for horror games. Being close and personal removes the scare factor for me. I know we melee everything in SH, but the camera being far from us helps with that. If it's an over the shoulder one, it's not the same.
@@Sputnik34 Character was likeable but dramatic, the line you said about how important sh2 is to you just sounded like something he would say. He's a character I like though if that means anything. Eitherway, good content man, and I feel you on your concerns.
you can't improve the last supper, zerkalo, karamazov brothers... so, the answer is, no. As bacon said "there is no excellent beauty that has not some strangeness in its proportion."
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what is on your wish list for the silent hill 2 remake?
@WinstonMoroe with Konami seemingly letting indie devs try their hands at the series I could see the signals getting the chance to make one! It just depends on whether they want to :P
Not indie devs I misspoke. I meant just smaller studios in general.
@Dman You're so salty it's beyond sad, it's like you live to be disappointed
No matter if the game would actually be good, all you would be doing is just cherry-picking every possible problem and use it to hide all the good they could do
I saw OG RE4 fans doing the same with its remake
To respect the original. Don't change the story, the controls, camera angles, soundtrack and voice acting. Just improve the graphics, add an easter egg or two and just remake the game. It's perfect as is, just update the graphics.
Silent Hill 2 does not need a remake, let alone a remake from a questionable studio
If we talk about remakes, Silent Hill 1 is the best choice.
huh, you're right man, never thought about Eddie being under utilized due to how powerful Angela and James' stories were. In a longer remake, they could spend some time building him up properly towards his boss encounter when he goes mad.
It would be a great addition!
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what is in the fog ? these are games I have of the horror series .
Silent Hill 2 & 3 .
Downpour .
Homecoming .
" so you wanna be on danger tainment Pyramid Man alright let's see what you got . "
great video more please .
I hope they stick to the core premise of this game. Keep it psychological and horror style scary we don’t need combat build systems and new enemy types we need dark nasty hallways, static radio that is the only thing telling you when certain enemies are getting closer, and great soundtrack/cutscenes that’s stay true to the story. If they took notes from silent hill pt i wouldn’t be upset and there’s nothing wrong with fixed camera angels giving the player less control can make a game more scary
Yes!!! We don’t need a failed Downpour
They’re gonna fuck it up..
I mean look around it’s 2023
RE enemy variety:
It might not even be necessary to create new enemy designs. Bloober could instead modify enemy behaviors as the game (or an individual level) goes on.
For example, use nurses exclusively in the hospital level. When James first enters the hospital, they have sticks and pipes, but as the level progresses, they could have knives then maybe guns. So even though, it's the same enemy design with the same symbolic meaning, their behaviors and threat level escalates.
Similar things could be done with the lying figures and mannequins such that they become more aggressive and more threatening in later parts of the game.
that would be a nice middle ground but i would really hope that at least one new enemy type is introduced!
I partly agree with you. I think aggressiveness and new weapons are not totally necessary, they could just modify behaviour and make it more unpredictable and disturbing because I think some of the enemies are not as much there to kill you, but to make you uncomfortable. I think it is receptiveness what we are discussing to eliminate.
The Town gave Eddie a chance to change and be a great guy, instead of a creepy murderous weirdo. Eddie failed his self redemption. James would have failed too if he just blew his brains out. But James succeeded in facing his fear, removing the guilt and forgiving himself.
I think any combat/gameplay change to specifically James and Eddie showdown would be for the better. That close and personal shooting clownery always kinda broke my immersion.
i hope they change that whole eddie and james standoff encounter. it just doesnt make sense😂
My biggest concern is not having the fixed camera . Yes it was clunky but it framed a lot of scenes to tell the story.
I think that if Bloober adjusts properly, they can get the same effect across but just with a literal different angle lol
I agree.
For the most part the game didn't have fixed camera. It didn't gave full control over it but you could have it go behind James most the time. It's a middle ground. They could just do it like the Resident Evil Remakes where when you had the flashlight on the camera would always be looking in the direction of the light, so it could give you surprises by the sides or behind.
Games using fixed camera angles to uniquely frame certain scenes are kind of a lost art in AAA games these days.
I hope to god it’ll be good.
I have neither pure optimism nor total dismissal about the project.
I guess I’m hopeful, at least.
Also, I hope the pressure legitimately is unbearable. They’re going to disappear forever if this tanks and Konami is going to continue to be looked at like a joke.
This is kind of going to be a big deal.
They should take it pretty damn seriously.
Everyone says in the original Silent Hill 2's combat was like 'intentionally lame'. I don't think that was the case.
I think the combat doesn't have to be shitty and still can remain scary. It doesn't have to be an action game, but it can be more 'Frantic'.
THANK YOU
@@Sputnik34 You're welcome :)
To explain what I mean further; I don't think SH2's combat mechanics were intentionally bad. I think they were just doing what the conventional thing to do was at the time for combat in those types of games.
The remake is in a tough spot. Change too much and fans will complain. Change hardly anything and fans will complain it's too similar and to just play the original. Hopefully it's good whatever the finished game is like.
no the fans wont complain if they change to little people that never played the game will who cares about them anyway
@@elvangulley3210solid point
And by the way Angela needs a separate game. How she was on the cover of SH2 and we still don't have a sequel to that world is unforgivable.
It doesn't require much improvement on the story. Leave the original soundtrack, especially the "Toluca Prison Basement" and "Forest Trails". Make combat a slightly better and make controls more responsive. Add more puzzles, add more variety, but do not cut any! Add Pyramid Head to some locations to stalk James like Mr X in RE2...
I don't think stalking PyramidHead is a good idea. Not only it would be considered as a copy of Resident Evil 2 Remake, but also PH instead of being scary, would be just a pain in the ass.
@@MultiKamil97 There's a new horror game coming out called Slitterhead made by the original creator of Silent Hill.
I'm staying optimistic about the remake. I mean as long as Bloober stays faithful to the spirit of the original and I do think they will, I think it'll be great. They couldn't do any worse than the HD Collection. If they're smart, they'll build they're game on the bones of the original like Bluepoint did with the Shadow of the Colossus remake.
I'm passively excited about it. I'll still play it but I wouldn't be surprised if it's bad, and even if it's good I'll still do what I usually do, beat SH2 once a week constantly.
I will admit anything added to the gameplay is for the better, as jank as it is. It is virtually impossible to even get hit by an enemy in this game since you can just stun them to death
No faith, no confidence in the remake whatsoever. It's easy to remake a game like RE because the core of the experience is related to the mechanics. SH is about vibe, specifically subtlety, something Bloober hasn't implemented in virtually any of their games, nor do any but the FromSoft titles implement.
:'(
There's a new horror game coming out called Slitterhead made by the original creator of Silent Hill.
I dont think SH2 needs a remake. Everything that makes SH2 great was a product of its time. The casting of the voice actors, the beautiful but kinda uncanny graphics of its time. Its all lightning in a bottle you cant capture twice.
You're probably right but I would've said the same thing about RE4make
There's a new horror game coming out called Slitterhead made by the original creator of Silent Hill.
Good stuff! Lots of great points made here
I feel like I’m gonna be in the minority here, but making the confrontation with Eddy feel less like a “boss fight” would really help to preserve my willful suspension of disbelief. Practically every fiber of the game is so immersive, but repeatedly hammering shotgun shells into a normal human being always seemed silly to me.
It could be any developer making this game, i fully trust that it won't be near as good as the first due to the legacy the original left. There isnt enough integrity and respect for art left in the gaming market to make a near-perfect video game on a AAA platform. There WILL be higher ups and publishers looking to make as much money off it as possible, at any cost.
Dont expect the SH2 you played on the Playstation back in the day. Expect to play the resident evil 4 remake you played on your PS5.
All remakes need to look to re1 remake. Admittedly, re1 was pretty rough, even if beloved. Sh2 still holds up pretty well visually and mechanically. For me, I just want more fluid controlls. If it looks nicer and the radio works better, that's great. Although, maybe giving players slightly different routs would be cool.
to answer the video title: Nope, not even close
:'C
A couple weeks late for this comment but still thank you for filling the silent void for now
I have a unhealthy amount of hype with this game. This game has to be good.
Have y'all ever gone to that abandon ware site where you can get the files to compile the hd renovation of the first one,,? It's very good
Look at this guy going "What I believe has to be true". Talk about hype getting in the way of common sense.
@Dman I mean you’re kinda wrong. Observer and a few other if there’s are actually good. The question is if they can do it right
@Dman you can choose any developer you want to make the game, it's the publishers and higher ups that ruin games now. Bloober know EXACTLY how much pressure is on them and I can promise you that each and every one of them are pouring everything their souls have in them into this game. Higher ups, investors, publisher etc. don't give a rats ass about anything other than making as much money as possible and hitting deadlines at the cost of game quality. See Redfall for my point.
You’re not alone
I like SH2 but more SH4, and I will prefer a remake of that one than this one, simple, bc SH4 has more potential, and more stuff to add, like more bosses, more scenarios, Nowhere isn't created, which was a shame, played wirh Eileen, know more about Henry, add P.T. elements, stopped the recycle in the second part of the game, add more endings, also an UFO one. SH4 has a lot of potential for a remake.
SH2 is more difficult, but SH2 has to be bc there is a new movie Return to SH, and the topic is James and Mary, now on cinema. Therefore this is a Konami advertising move, a remake has to be done.
One thing that put a positive in this is Masahiro Ito, bc he was one of members of KCET, the oriiginal ones, he was there from the start. This guy know all the plots of SH, and he also mentined that SH2 was bigger than the final result, but the team silent discored that PS2 was difficult to work, they removed a lot of material. In this remake they can add more of that delete stuff.
Bloober team isn't good on plot, but they don't need to create one, they just need to copy, and expand some stuff, like PH lore I guess, konami is eager to this, PH is the mascot of the game, they need to give him a more broad meaning.
Playing with Angela, and Eddie that's also another important idea, see other perspectives with different characters, rhat's another good point in this remake.
It would be sick if when you dodge in the remake james falls over, and the combat is built around that. Could be really tense and terrifying.
I could see that being an implementable mechanic! :')
I would be sick if I have to dodge anything at all. Silent Hill: Homecoming was ruined by that ridiculous and clunky mechanic.
Bloober's remake will certainly be very different, that much is already apparent. if you're hoping for something like the original, the emotions are already all wrong. as in, they are far too present. In the original, James walked around blase pretty much throughout, whether that was due to lack of animation skill (probably not), hardware capabilities (I don't think so either), or some other kind of constraint or shortcoming. whether that was intentional or not, the end result is somewhat disconcerting, and really makes you think. does he really know what happened? does he even care? is he running on steam, so weary and tired from what happened that he can't react to anything like a normal human would? is he so traumatized that he's repressing everything?
The Bloober remake has James look broken down, almost like he's on the verge of tears throughout the footage we've seen so far, looking a bit more like one would expect to react to something like this.
A good analogy would be the song "Last Kiss" and its versions done by The Cavaliers and Pearl Jam. the song is a story told by a man who lost his love in a car crash. The Cavaliers version is upbeat, completely incongruous with the words and events in the song. That version always gave me the impression the guy doesn't even realize what he's saying, he's so traumatized that he doesn't believe it. Pearl Jam's version is slow, weepy, sad, what you would expect from a song about boo hoo hoo my girlfriend is dead. For me, The Cavaliers version hits so much harder because it's not in line with expectations, and you end up thinking the guy is in complete denial, and that when it does hit, he's gonna be completely devastated. The Pearl Jam version shows me a guy already in the healthy stages of grieving. No denial detected. He's sad, but he'll get over it and get on with life.
What does this have to do with anything? I get the impression that the Bloober version is more in line with Pearl Jam's "Last Kiss": James is sad, he knows it, he really knows what's up, but he's already grieving, and he'll get over it. The original SH2 is The Cavalier's version: James is in complete denial, doesn't even know why he's there, repressing everything including normal emotions, and when it does get to him, it will wipe him out.
i hope they also add the option of changing camera from 3rd person to the traditional camera angles
I've seen the majority of complaints and concerns being based on James "overreacting" and only because of this people are already giving up on the whole game
That feels disingenuous, because those were the scenes where James normally did act the most in the whole game, like elevator chase, or double Pyramid Head
And talking about dodges, I hope they won't make it too easy and trivialize combat, but at the same time combat in OG was also trivial, (besides one chase on hard) everything was easy with wooden plank and the game gave you a lot of ammo
It's definitely too early to make proper judgment, but so far I don't feel discouraged
Then like the new team you clearly don't understand subtle storytelling, James is suppose to be basically on auto pilot as he's had a mental breakdown he's not reacting to much because he's not well mentally, he act's emotional when he kills the two Pyramid Heads, because it symbolizes he no longer feels guilty (there's two because he's killed two people Maria and Eddie) for killing, it's stuff like that we as fans can tell the new team have no idea it just fly's over there head.
@@robmorris4056 "Act's emotional when he kills the two Pyramid Heads", great, so just like in the remake, if you paid attention to the cutscene they have shown
Just the same as elevator scene where he screams like crazy when Maria is about to be killed, just like OG
It's funny seeing people insisting their own headcanons of James being such a "stoic" character, when he already had a range of emotions before double Pyramid Head
No wonder this fandom is so miniscule, when you have a load of pedantic egoists who have their own delusional, perfect imagination of a game, and everything else is a sacrilege for them
@@spicydong317 No ones trying to gatekeep or make headcanon, we just no the game inside and out, to repeat myself James isn't suppose to be an emotional mess he only reacts like that in the lift screen because he's reminded of Marry, he reacts to most things either weird or indifferent like the first encounter with a Lying figure or when he sticks his hand in the toilet or hole in the apartments.
@@spicydong317 Clearly you think Bloober team are on point with this remake, so all i can say is let's see the Prison cut-scene in the remake and we will get a true scale as to how good or bad they understand the original, because we can just look to the hd colection and see the new voice actor voice both Maria and Marry the same and completely butcher that scene.
Some silent hill 2 puzzles are not good.
Using canned juice to clear a garbage chute, when you have other heavy items on the inventory makes no sense at all. It’s not clever, not good.
It’s ok to acknowledge what doesn’t work on the original game.
I hope they fix those details and leave the mood intact.
yeah that puzzle isn't great. but just a wonderful point that bloober can improve on "perfection!"
The combat is the area with the most potential for meaningful expansion. It doesn't need to be in league with a Platinum Games title, but I highly disagree with the crowd that thinks it should be left alone.
Video games have the unique position of being able to communicate themes and ideas through their interactive elements.
I understand that James is an every-man, and that should come through, but he is a man with a propensity for violence. I think it would be interesting if the game's combat was used in a way to help convey that. You need to believe he is capable of committing horrible acts.
Hopefully this is something Blooper is considering as watching the trailer, you can see a ferocity in James' swings when he's attacking that Nurse in the hallway.
Who has had a positive experience with blooper teams games lol
I got them for free on epic games store and I haven't wasted my time by playing them. Is that positive?
I’m on the side of complete dismissal. Silent Hill 2 didn’t need a remake. As opposed to say RE1 on the Psone. SH2 came at the right time technically. It is for all intents and purposes. Perfect. Its story was told, and the visuals hold up.
Silent Hill 4 is the game more deserving of a remake. If for no other reason than to clean up the 2nd half of the game.
4 is my second favorite!
I believe all Silent Hill games must be retold we need them to be different without taking away everything which makes these stories interesting for all gamer fans of this .
I'm really hoping it'll mark their names as great developers I love Silent Hill..I want it to come back on top
regarding combat: I don't think it should be improved. James is NOT a soldier. Dodging etc would be unrealistic and immersion breaking. The original combat wasn't "fun" on a technical level, but to me, that's the point. It's not FUn to kill these creatures. Combat isn't the focus, it's activly discouraged in the original
AND NO GODDAMN UPGRADES please. This RPG shit is annoying. No open world.
If someone was swinging a knife at you I guess you just wouldn't dodge then?
@@Sputnik34 I'd try, but I very much doubt that I could do it reliably. The combat has to be sort of bad imho, since you are not a trained fighter. I Think, most people would fight like James does in the original: unelegantly swining a pipe in the direction of an enemy
That, to me, is where Resident Evil and Silent Hill differ the most. Resi is combat focussed due to the characters being from the military. Silent Hill is the opposite of a power fantasy
In fact I also fear that the SH2 remake by Bloober won't meet expectations. I've played Layers of Fear 1+2 plus DLCs, "The Observer", "The Medium" and "Blair Witch".
They are phantastic at creating atmosphere, absolutely phantastic. BUT... they never know when to stop. This problem had "The Observer" as well. When you enter people's minds some scenes are just way too long. The same with Blair Witch, the house at the end of the game is just too long. It kills all horror if you keep extending the scenes with more and more jumpscares and completely kills the atmosphere and makes you wish for that scene to end finally.
The point about the combat. I 100% disagree.
Survival horror combat interactions are all about decision making and resource management.
You have limited ammo.
You have limited non-regenerating health and healing items.
You enter a room.
There is an enemy.
You must decide right then and there if it makes sense to run away and try to avoid the attacks of the enemy or fight.
If you run you save ammo but could risk taking damage. Also, if you will enter this room again in the future you might have to make the same decision again.
If you decide to fight then you have to decide if it is worth using ammo, or risk taking damage by using a melee weapon.
Also, what kind of ammo you want to use if you have multiple guns.
If you implement a dodge system then you completely break this decision-making.
There is no fight or flight or item management decision-making.
If you can dodge and kill every enemy with melee weapons then you stockpile ammo and the enemies get less scary because of all your recourses.
Part of why these games are scary is because the main character does not control like a normal action game. Cannot get skilled when it comes to combat. The skill comes from fight or flight decision making and resource management.
You are supposed to be put in tough situations. These tough situations are supposed to be tense because you are just a normal guy and have to risk taking damage or use ammo in every encounter.
If you implement a dodge system, then the player will most likely master it at some point. Every fight would likely become trivial and the game would not be scary anymore.
I mean...is silent Hill 2 still scary? You get used to the combat in that game by the end. I would never say that it's combat is worsened in it's intentions by the end
Wait, you actually think there was a meaningful choice in SH2? "Cannot get skilled when it comes to combat"? Did we play the same game?
And here I though killing enemies was the only optimal way even on hard, because the game always gave me enough ammo and wooden plank was that good for the beginning
I can see speedrunners run past enemies, but it's just nothing more than self-imposed challenge
For what it's worth, SH2 is a really easy game combat-wise compared to maybe RE1 that had better balancing
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The game is scary in the beginning, but due to poor difficulty balancing it becomes much less scary half way through.
On a side note, survival horror games need to be short because you get used to the game, which makes it less scary as the game goes on. This is inevitable.
If you're good with recourse management then you stockpile those resources, which makes the game easier and less scary. If you're bad a recourse management then you'll eventually dig yourself into such a deep hole that you'll probably have to restart, and no one wants to restart if the game is long.
If you play the game blind on hard for the first time the beginning and the apartment section are legit hard and scary. Part of the reason why its scary is because of lack of weapons, health, and ammo. Lack of familiarity is also a big factor.
The Hospital is still scary because the nurses are such an excellently designed enemy. The way they move is scary. The noises they make are scary (they scream at you). Ect.
After the hospital the game gets less scary. The run around the town part isn't scary because by then you've figured out that you can easily avoid and outrun every enemy in this area, and you can find recourses throughout the town without having to spend any.
In the prison section, there aren't any new enemies. So you're basically fighting the same enemies that you fought in the apartment, but this time you have a better melee weapon, more guns, more ammo, more healing items, and you're already gotten used to the enemies so they aren't as threatening or scary anymore.
Gameplay wise I feel like this is the weakest section of the game.
So, survival horror games will eventually lose the fear factor because you get used to them, you know what to expect, and possibly because you stockpile resources and enemy encounters become benign. If you add a dodge mechanic you will just exacerbate the problem. Enemy encounters will just become trivial earlier and you'll stockpile resources faster.
@@spicydong317
"Meaningful choice"? I never said this phrase. Please explain what you think this means?
That's right. You cannot become "skilled" when it comes to shooting your gun. There is no aiming. The gun combat is just about recourse management. It's not like a shooter where you can become better at head shots and take out enemies faster.
You can become a little bit more skilled when it comes to melee combat. That is all about timing. It is about attacking after the enemy misses an attack so that you can dish out damage without taking any. It is not like a normal action game where you learn combos, learn special moves, and master the dodge button mechanic, or whatever.
My biggest problem with Silent Hill 2 was how they handled the combat difficulty settings.
Normal mode was way, way too easy. On hard mode the designers did not adjust the amount of ammo and healing items in the game. Instead they slightly upped enemy damage, slightly upped the amount of health normal enemies have, made the enemies attack slightly faster/more often, and then it seemed like they gave the boss enemies about 3 or 4 or 5 times the amount of health, which was a terrible decision. This made boss fights monotonous because they lasted so long and it made the rest of the game lose tension because you would walk around with hundreds of rounds of ammunition by mid game.
The better decision would have been to give the player far fewer recourses on hard (especially ammo), only give the bosses a slight health increase, and give the bosses a damage increase.
I say "especially ammo" because I feel like the game is scarier when you have to deal with normal enemies with melee weapons. If you give the player more ammo, but fewer healing items that you will incentivize the player to "play it safe" by not taking damage. If there is a lack of ammo, then the player will be more incentivized to save ammo by either fighting with melee weapons or running. And when you have to get close to enemies then you have to deal with their attacks and tension of the radio noise and the enemy noises. If you give an abundance of ammo then the player does not have to deal with this as often because they can incapacitate enemies before they get within striking distance.
One of the problems with Silent Hill 2 was the stockpiling of recourses. The beginning and the apartment section was perfect on hard. Lots of enemies. Unfamiliarity with the game. A weak melee weapon. Not much ammo and healing items. The hospital section was great too (in part because the nurse enemy was designed so well), but after the hospital the player's ability to stockpile resources was too great and the enemies weren't threatening enough.
If one of the main groups of people that you take into consideration when designing a game is speed runners then you'll probably end up making a game that is unplayable for just about everyone else. I wouldn't base anything design decisions based on what a tiny group of speed runners are doing.
By the way, I am not saying that Silent Hill 2 did a good job with the combat design overall. I have been explaining what makes good survival horror combat.
If you want an example of good survival horror combat then play the remake of RE1.
Silent Hill 2's failed combat-wise in a few ways.
1. The action difficulty settings were poorly designed. Normal was too easy. Hard became very easy halfway through the game.
2. On hard they made the bosses into bullet sponges. Instead for Hard Mode they should have adjusted ammo and health layouts and increased the damage enemies dealt.
3. On every difficulty setting ammo and health was too plentiful. Very early into the game on Normal you could kill every enemy using guns and never get close to running out of ammo. This made it so you never had to make tough decisions. You could just shoot every enemy. You never had to decide between fight or flight. You never needed to take the risk of using melee weapons.
All the remake has to do to make the combat good is rework the difficulty settings so that the amount of ammo and health available in each difficulty setting is appropriate.
Easy should be the mode where you can just shoot your way through everything.
Normal should be the difficulty setting where beginner players have enough ammo and health so that they can make mistakes and bad decisions occasionally. The game should still be somewhat tense, but not punishing enough to make them revert to previous saves or start over.
Hard should be where you don't have enough ammo to kill all the enemies and you don't have enough healing items to take damage on a regular basis. You need to be forced to make tough decisions about when to run and when to fight. When to use ammo, and when to risk taking damage (risk using healing items) by engaging in melee combat.
I also want to explore more of the town but storywise it's important to remember James is on a single-minded mission. Also, if you make optional content overly rewarding I think it would hurt the difficulty level and vibes of the game. My best suggestion is that during the periods where James is on the streets of Silent Hill looking for a way forward, he should have to enter more buildings before making progress. And make these diversions like the bowling alley where you don't find a mechanical reward but instead get a story cutscene or just find something interesting.
I'm not hopeful. There's no way that it's going to be better today than it was back in 2001. Team Silent is necessary for a Silent Hill title to actually be Silent Hill. I guarantee this will launch to lukewarm reception based off of high expectations alone. First off, it's a remake. Bloober (...that name) is obviously going to add unnecessary and extraneous stuff to justify their part in remaking it. There's nothing they could do to make me want to play this beside probably making a 1:1 remake with smoother controls and modern visuals. It looks fundamentally different and loses that eerie ghostlike feel. Overacted mocap face expressions incoming. Second, it's a game that didn't need to be remade in the first place. A remaster would be nice but there's no reason to re-release an altered SH2. It was a masterpiece that was only dated by the stiff tank controls and combat that was common to that generation.
edit: and of course Konami is going to puff it up and say it's going to be a worthy successor. But remember that they are Konami. If you don't know what that means just look into it. It goes deep. I don't know a AAA game company that has a worse track record. They drove the Metal Gear and Silent Hill series into the ground by making it impossible for their visionary talent to basically do anything. Then they whored out the franchises to low-level game developers and focused on pachinko machines, proving that they don't give a single s*** about what truly made the company great. They cared more about making money off of people putting little metal balls into pseudo-gambling parlor slot machines.
ALSO: anytime you hear "Fully Remade for modern audiences." you know that thing is going to suck.
The fact that James look sad in all the scenes, should tell you how much bloober team don't understand SH2 . ( He's depressed let's make him look sad all the time or people won't get that he's depressed)
I have faith. Bloober is defs not my first choice but i think working on such a important game, they will do everything in their power to not mess it up. If they do, then at least we have the original 😅
The only thing i hope they keep is the atmosphere. The original had such a mastery over it and if they can copy that (or improve 👀) ill be one happy camper :)
they so obviously love this game more than anything so i think it would be the biggest blunder of gaming history if they completely missed the mark. i have a feeling the game will be at least a baseline 7.
@@Sputnik34 thats all we can ask for 🥹
this is the most unbiased SH2 Remake opinion. I'm excited for everything coming out and ready to see where we're gonna go as SH fans
I'm even excited for Ascension (whatever the fuck it is)
@@Sputnik34 meeeeeeee that's meeeee lmao idc give me it all
I’ll play it and judge it on its own merits. I’ve played every blooober game and they really don’t have the subtlety for silent hill 2. I know they love the game and will give it their best shot, so I am rooting for them. I wish they brought the mediums voice actress over though, she was great. I loved her voice and enjoyed the game for its look. But the story was delivered very poorly. I would like to see a medium 2, just get away from that story line, deliver something like a film version of the sixth sense. Helping out a bunch of people with your powers.
I mean it can't be any worse the the 360 collection. Im hopeful an in all honesty just happy the series is getting some new exposure
Tbh I won't expect a thing about this, so yeah my hype level is: nil.
I hope the combat is on a similar vein to Resident Evil 2 Remake or even maybe toned down a bit, I think if you add a full dodge system and crazy features the game will feel almost too 'actiony' and it will remove some of the tension.
James' face looks weird. It's like someone used a frown filter on his face a bunch of times.
Since Silent Hill Downpour already implemented the idea of a semi-open world Silent Hill, It would be nice if Bloober expanded on that original idea and implement optional side quest that unlock new weapons, resources, stat upgrades or even costumes.
Let's not do that. Side quests would just detract from the main story.
Yeah, let's not. That really doesn't work for tbe kind of horror SH is going for.
Regarding Eddie, I thought he was always lying about how many people he’s actually killed…but I don’t disagree with your point.
I feel like James being more emotional will fit every scene except for the intro cutscene. James was not ”emotional” because the PS2 could not render all emotions and face capture was not advanced, all faces had to be made by developers/artists in the studio.
The real problem is that Silent Hills was a big promise too but it got nuked at the last minute leaving everyone disappointed and deeply resentful. But, add to that, the people who made sequels to Silent Hill also thought they were living up to the hype but, sadly, were just digging the franchise into irrelevance. Silent Hill: Downpour was significantly better than Homecoming but they were both just a game that shared the title and nothing of the mythology. So we have Silent Hill, 2, 3, and Zero (Origins) that sort of circle the same ideas, but everything else are just titled the same. I would say that Shattered Memories is the best "reimagining" of the franchise but it is still a completely different ideology. The fact that we have companies that can redo games, like the recent Dead Space, who "get it" and know how to remaster a perfect experience on modern equipment means that there's potential. But we also have companies that remake content like a drunken Alex Kurtzman who seem to make a new game without ever having played the original - like Resident Evil VII and VIII. I thought Death Stranding was a terrible game but with a great core idea. I have no idea what the Silent Hills game WOULD have been like made by that person who made such a ridiculous game in the first place...but I'm not very sad that we missed that opportunity.
I don't think so. By their previous games they have had games that lack in quality and silent hill 2 is supposed to be a psychological horror. They barely can get actual jump scares and horror atmosphere well done...That and changing that start scene with James touching the side of his cheek instead of the hand over face to make sure he's awake. I have no expectations so i have no disappointments. They need better graphics not a changed product hopefully. I wish to be proven wrong and that they will do a phenomenal job.
Your enemy argument is stupid. Most of them are related to james. With the exception of abstract daddy which is a result from angela. All the others are there for a reason for james. Why add something new to it and possibly risk sullying it ? Also combat remake may ruin it. The immobility of james upon contact made you plan ahead and showed how inexperienced he is. He is no fighter. Dodgle, block and sidestepping...If it is a homecoming it is gonna be screwed. Iframing and timing based? No reason to have that and become a modern dodge fest.
Eddie could use a glow up on his arc like you've said.
Technically Eddie never actually killed anybody unless you happen to die to him. Any boasts about it was because it feels good. Since then we've had Columbine in a number of other issues so it's actually really really relevant especially given how recent it is. It would be interesting if we could try to save him. Or if saving him is not an option, if we could see the escalation a bit better. It would be interesting if we could see at least a glimpse of what Eddie sees.
I guess you're right but what I meant in the video is the "people" that he kills while in the Historical Society
@@Sputnik34 I know he claims it, but Ito said that in the story Ed never actually killed anyone but a dog. He shot someone, but didn't actually kill them.
Curiously, every dead body we ever see in SH2 is actually James; including the ones Eddie says he didn't do, or claims he did do. Wonder if that'd be a thing James comments on, or just isn't quite aware of again.
I'm not worried at all.
If only the team behind the Resident Evil Remake games at Capcom did Silent Hill 2! I don't know why a company who isn't known for games with combat is working on this.
Look. James' face and expression in the mirror is *fucking wrong.* James' demeanor and coldness in the face of the horror he's confronted with is crucial to making the game feel right, and they've already fucked that up. Zero hope. Just accept reality and let your faith in the medium's ability to tell stories in the face of corporate meddling and general AAA incompetence take psychic damage.
Eddie’s timeframe isn’t bad, but the abruptness we the player see it as is…jarring. Also make puzzles harder. Make them hurt.
I can't see the original being improved on story wise, nor cinematically. Shots like the hospital bed floating in the mist outside the window as the doctor explains to James that there's nothing that can be done for Mary. The OG SH2 is truly a work of art. If Bloober focus on the horror element over the psychological trauma of James they'll get this game really really wrong.
Essay incoming
Tldr: You don't capture lightning in a bottle by love and Imitation of a perfect storm. Even the OG team would struggle with this assignment. Bloopy is set up to fail.
Imo their eye for environmental design is pretty good. I want to explore the physical worlds they craft no doubt
But they just do not understand the "music between the notes" so to say.. of what made these og games/stories stand apart from other media and stay in people's minds for decades
... and barfing loud abuse exposition at you while you're parrrying ghost tentacles with R2.. they just *don't* get it bro.
They can be the biggest fans of the originals possible. They can try their best. But... unless Its gonna be shot for shot line for line.. they WILL ruin the narrative.
they basically made their vision of a silent hill game already and it was a dumpster fire." Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery." slapping pieces of something you love to make your own Lego version of it isn't.
Just an aside on the vets they have tapped
Ito can touch up some models for them. Maybe cut a new design or three but he isn't a *game* designer.
Amazing artist. He draws rad ass monsters. Cool ass mechanics and tanks.. and big tiddy anime girls.
He's not setting the game design world on its heels with innovative combat mechanics okay. He's gonna cash out on this with a director or additional design credit besides his art (and get paid my main man) while just doing his art job.
Akira - great musician. Lot of cool influences floating around in his head he manages to make his own but again. Bro is gonna clean up some tracks maybe cut a few new ones then peace out. Gonna get a huge check for a job he won't actually be doing
Its just so konami can attach legitimacy to blooper by proxy.
in fans eyes who only recognize these guys names as buzzwords and not for their actual wheelhouses it's a homerun.
Anyone who's interested in design history or has worked on a project with lots of others would tell you that there were dozens of other hard working weirdos(highest compliment normies don't make cool art) who made that vision come to life and had their fingerprints alongside theirs.
Bloober has already butchered the vibe of the original. Just compare James's face in the mirror. The original cold and void stare and the eerie hand over the face reassurance. And Bloober's James comically frowning and pouting and they adding dialogue to that scene.
"ALL'S YOU CARE ABOUT IS THAT (no longer) DEAD FRANCHISE OF YOUR'S! I'VE NEVER BEEN SO ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ IN MY WHOLE LIFE!"
Good video though!
You make some of the most based Silent Hill vids on TH-cam 👍
Lessgoooo
I have little faith in bloober after their titles I've played. With that said I hope to proven wrong.
I think the pressure will meld them into a diamond. Either that or quartz
There's a new horror game coming out called Slitterhead made by the original creator of Silent Hill.
If they add a new or just give us a few silent hill 1 creatures might actually be a amazing idea love it PLEASE GOD DONT UPGRADE COMBAT it was literally meant to be janky to add the the horror and helplessness you feel in horror survival god how do people seem to forget or not understand that.
I get that. I understand what the combat was. but it wasn't good lmao. You cant market a game that costs millions and millions of dollars nowadays and have that combat system in it. Realistically, there's no way that they can't upgrade it
@@Sputnik34 you're not entirely wrong but I just don't want it to be perfect and seamless is all I see your point
Silent Hill 1 enemies shouldn't be in Silent hill 2. They had their purpose and wouldn't make sense why they would be there.
I would've GREATLY preferred a proper HD remaster of the original SH2. I really don't care about a remake from a random developer.
The HD collection already exists and it was a dumpster fire. Silent Hill 2 was long overdue for a remake games older than it got remakes
@@Legion849 Hence why I said "proper" HD remaster.
nothing special about the silence. as any aaa game these days this needs more time. if bloober is good at something it´s graphics and that´s what a remake needs. I get the pressure as i just replayed sh2. Truly a game on another level
I think they need to use the Mandarin's more. Like, I only remember them appearing like 2 or 3 times the whole game. It would help if they were made into more of the principal enemy for Toluca Prison the way the Nurses were for the Hospital.
I am worried what you say about combat, because to me this is not an action game. Receptiveness however is something that we can eliminate not with more enemies, because we don't need to make it into Zoo either. Just the way enemies behave, could be changed. As the game progresses make them more unpredictable or different, more disturbing.
Great video man. SH2 is my favourite game too… and your perspective here feels like hope. (I don’t like Bloober team)
thanks so much :')
Im not positive, I love Silent Hill 2 but this is going to be DISAPPOINTING.....They don't nearly have the skills to pull this off...
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I really liked their work on The Blair Witch game
I haven't played it but I do really want to!
@@Sputnik34 I always played it in the dead of night, even when there are no antagonists on screen that you are being watched vibe is always present
dont limit james' running stamina ugh
Lol
I don't care, my favorite SH is the Room anyway 😅you are very optimistic my dear friend, keep my like and subscribe there, very good work.
thanks so much! :')
That's a very rare thing to see lol
@@MultiKamil97 There's a new horror game coming out called Slitterhead made by the original creator of Silent Hill.
I know the story and the lore of the game and series. I’m playing my first play through on silent hill 2 right now and getting far and I enjoy it a lot ! However, this franchise has one of the most toxic fan bases I’ve seen. If the game is good y’all gonna complain and if it’s bad y’all are gonna complain. I would enjoy the fact that they updated the game and made it current alone.
silent hill fans don't deserve rights.
I hope the voice acting won't be too good, to make it feel a bit uncanny.
your open world section sounds kinda like the side content in Downpour... then again, that was pretty much the only good stuff in Downpour. So it might be alright
I always found the original mid, honestly
The bleak atmosphere bummed me out too much
I hope this remake has more of the mindfuckery "The Shining" vibes
Never fall into the hype-train for any product. A friendly reminder for folks.
That really isn't the point of the video
@@Sputnik34 no, but it is a friendly reminder in general.
The final product & player experience matters first & foremost.
Trailers & news are important information, but it’s wise to try & keep ourselves reasonably conserved & restrained until then.
It’s easy to get sucked into mass hype, & if things go south, it can serve a negative effect from setting up unrealistic expectations that games can’t reasonably Achieve.
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If things go right, then you have the ability to better appreciate something based on your own investment & details.
Sh2 is the make or brake scenario thanks to Konami’s history.
Remakes won’t replace their source material, but they should try their bestest.
It’s gonna be hard, because allot of “weirdness” in how SH (Team Silent) plays is by intention - both for mechanical & contextual reasons-,
Add 2’s plethora of subtle details that impact the game in ways you won’t notice right away - & you’ve got a real challenge with balancing & adapting. Bloober definitely has allot on their plate, one to hope they can stomach down (so to speak).
~ even though I personally am not very impressed by what was shown (even as a Silent Hill late-comer who hadn’t played many titles {yet}),
There’s still a fair chance they can put something out that’s both a pleasant surprise, & at least feels like it has care put in. - if things sadly go the other way, then at least we have other games to play.
Apologies for the word-salad. Allot of thoughts are hard to condense for time-sake.
Yes.
The fact that Blooberteam is remaking it is very disheartening for me personally..
Especially considering the CGI trailer they showed has James Sunderland looking like a half assed version of his cartoon counterpart which looked more unsettling because of how remarkably stupid he looked compared to how he should look-
I personally think James looks fine in the remake so far
It wasn’t CGI, it was in engine.
@@JuicyIndian1 right!!! I disagree-
You tell me it’s “in engine” when the game comes out and if that is an engine then it looks even worse
I will probably get a ps5 if silent hill 2 is good
btw this video is elite
Hell yeah
Did I really hear words "stamina management" and s" in discussion of Silent Hill 2? I don't think author understands what he's talking about. Look at RE4 remake, i doubt it has any s, lol. That's not the point of Silent Hill 2.
SH2 is arguably my favorite game of all time I know what makes the game good. I am just spitballing ideas that could make the remake worthy of playing and ways that they could mechanically improve the game
@@Sputnik34 Fair enough. Mine too😁
Making suggestions like that is fine, I guess, but really I'm not sure if any of the fans will care so much about fight system in general. Monsters in SH2 is more like a nuisance, not a critical part, and putting a lot of emphasis on fighting can shift attention away from other aspects. The atmosphere suppose to be their general focus. After all, James is not Leon or Chris.
I'm on team pained dismissal
have some hope!
No.
there you go.
Silent Hill 2 is a perfect game. This will be a different game. I don’t even like a new James appearance.
The only aspect of Silent Hill 2 that can be improved is the combat.
Did you watch the whole video?
@@Sputnik34 not when I commented, but that's the entire point of using a question as a title. To have people comment their perspective before watching.
Someine deliver this video to Bloober, stat!
I tagged them on Twitter but no response as of yet! I expect to be working there by years end
They made him look like jamey kennedy. That sucks.
Yes, more creatures. Throw some unique ones that you don't find anywhere else to keep you on your toes (mandarins don't count, those things hardly impact anything).
More places to explore, being optional sounds great. Always wanted that.
But the changes to combat sounds awful, I wish they left it as it was. The good "bad" controls of the original survival horror games are actually a plus, not a detriment, to the overall atmosphere and general feeling of the game. If we get to dodge, parry, and have a "skill" based combat, that would change the mood too much.
I think that managing stamina coupled with still stiff, but more interesting combat would be a nice balance and still be in respect to the original games intention and tone
@@Sputnik34 Managing stamina, yes, I have no problem with that. Only with reflex based stuff and timing, like i-frames and dodges a la Dark Souls. I kinda prefer positioning and maintaning distance for horror games. Being close and personal removes the scare factor for me.
I know we melee everything in SH, but the camera being far from us helps with that. If it's an over the shoulder one, it's not the same.
You remind me of Mr. Fischer from Bones.
I don't get this reference 😭
@@Sputnik34 Character was likeable but dramatic, the line you said about how important sh2 is to you just sounded like something he would say. He's a character I like though if that means anything.
Eitherway, good content man, and I feel you on your concerns.
you can't improve the last supper, zerkalo, karamazov brothers... so, the answer is, no. As bacon said "there is no excellent beauty that has not some strangeness in its proportion."
Remake is not an improvement,it's not like remaster.
I'm not saying that the remake will inherently be an improvement
A company budget and time is going to make this game work. Not talent. There is not.
There's a new horror game coming out called Slitterhead made by the original creator of Silent Hill.
*NO*
Cool video, subbed
Thanks so much!
no
longer : hell no
Lmao
It will suco
Lmao
how can you improve a game when its a remake it will be a completely new game!
No.
LOL