Eachine E200 UH-60 Blackhawk RTF & BNF versions (1,2&3 battery options): www.banggood.com/custlink/K3mYucKisD New to Scale RC Helicopters? Learn all about this fun side of our hobby on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/scale-rc-helicopters.html Addressing all rivet counters who have the same two comments/questions about the scale accuracy of this model: *_1. Main blades turning the wrong way:_* What you may not realize it that approximately 90% of all RC helicopters (100% of all this size) have CW rotating mains, and in order to switch the rotation direction, Eachine would have to have a different FBL system/firmware to accommodate the opposite phase lag & reactive torque. Something tells me they are not going to that trouble or expense for one single small heli in their entire line-up. And honestly who even cares? Once it's spooled, you can't tell which way they are turning; you simply see an opaque rotor disc. *_2. Doesn't have a true scale 4 bladed tail rotor:_* Some basic Newtonian physics involved with that scale compromise. All small helis like this one these days use a brushless motorized direct drive fixed pitch tail rotor because it's the best option in terms of performance, robustness, efficiency (thrust & energy), ease of maintenance, weight & cost. Thrust changes with this design occur only by motor speed changes, not tail blade AOA pitch changes; so the faster the tail motor can speed up and slow down, the better the tail hold & tail authority will be. A 4 bladed tail rotor would have too much rotating mass to accelerate & decelerate fast enough (slow response time) to counter the fast torque changes from the main rotor. In short, both anti-torque control and tail authority would SUCK. Other manufacturers have already tried this and it doesn't work - period! The most that has been used with acceptable results are 3 bladed fixed pitch tail rotors; however a two bladed fixed pitch tail rotor still works the best in terms of reaction speed, performance & efficiency. www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-rudder.html These are the necessary scale compromises required to have a decent & efficient flying scale RC helicopter in this 200 size range. This is not a static model that sits on the shelf collecting dust after all; believe it or not, RC enthusiasts actually want to fly it and we want a good performing heli while doing so. 🙂
Nice video! FYI, HeliMax actually use to produce this same heli in the same size with an actual miniature shaft driven tail. It was discontinued many years ago, probably due to the extensive repairs needed when crashed. Wish I hadn't sold mine because the adjustable pitch tail really added to the realism.
@Emiliano Escalante - Same fuselage you mean - very different mechanics & electronics as you pointed out. I flew the HeliMax Blackhawk back in 2013 - very different heli than this one. It had a totally different feel and much shorter flight time.
I agree Gary 👍 Hoping if it does well, they will consider adding more scale helicopters to their lineup using this platform. Just hope they rethink those costly proprietary dumb battery packs; last thing we need is for Eachine to become DJI - lol.
@@Rchelicopterfun You would think if they was considering more models they would use a standard lipo, makes a change from the usual M2 style helis, love my M2 just nice to see something different
hi John, yes they are a beauty to behold, loving mine. A regular 6 cell lipo checker does match into the lipo pinouts just fine. I'm adding blue LEDs into the canopy area for when it gets really dark outside.
@Kiwi_craig RC - A cell checker will not work with these packs - the pinouts are totally different from a standard balance plug. Left to right as I demo in the video. Pin 1 - ground. Pin 2 - ground. Pin 3 Cell 1 +. Pin 4 Signal trigger to power on ESC/BEC. Pin 5 Cell 2+. Pin 6 Cell 3+/Batt +. Pin 7 Same as pin 6.
@@Rchelicopterfun That results in a no sale for me, I love r/cs but I have a nice 4 bay with a 1.8kw psu charger that I use for all kinds of things including r/c things.
@@Rchelicopterfun I made my own adapter, automotive micro fuses are the perfect blade width to fit the battery grooves. Ive also soldered onto the pinouts in the balance charger base as well and run both setups on a standard balance charger.
Funny to see the rolling takeoff and landing. We had to do rolling takeoffs when we were to heavy to hover (UH-60A Ft. Campbell 1980’s). Landing when loss of tail rotor “training”. Nice though.
Hopefully by next year I can be able to say I can fly one cause I’m buying one lol love this n not 500$!! Looks really good. I’ve been flying 3years or so and I’m not even close to ready, but gonna make it happen . Take care. Greetings from New Jersey
Looks like a great little scale Heli! After seeing the Batteries... It should come with a Micky of Rye, John. lol I was kind of impressed when you took it out of the box but that search light combined with the Batteries and NO RYE... I think it's going to be a pass for me, especially since my middle name doesn't rhythm with Fragile! I know a gentleman out your way with terrific soldering skills that could 3D print you a cover & solder in the connector so you can use any battery you like! BTW, his name is John Salt! 😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Waiting to see if someone will make a 300 size direct drive.. I know the OMP M5 project was cancelled since they were unable to make it work per an OMP test pilot.
@gmodesike - Someone already has. SAB has had their direct drive 300 size fireball and mini comet on the market for a good number of years now; predating the original OMP M2. I think the direct drive fireball was first on market in 2016, maybe even 2015 and the original OMP M2 was released in 2019.
Hello, i’ve always wanted to get into this hobby do you think it would be a good idea for me to go ahead and buy this helicopter and try it out or is there a few things I should do first? Do you by any chance have a video for beginners?
@Christopher - As I mention in the video, no scale collective pitch RC helicopter, including this one, is good for learning on - they are way too fragile and finicky. You must learn on Pod & Boom first. Only once you fully understand pod & boom collective pitch RC helicopters from the basics of how RC helicopters work & are controlled, how to properly setup them up and can fly them without or rarely crashing can scale helicopters like this one then be considered. I have an entire website that is focused on helping beginners successfully get into this complex hobby plus many videos on my channel going over specifics, but the website is the best place to start: www.rchelicopterfun.com/
Surely it wouldn't be that hard to open that plastic battery pack open and stuff it with a better battery pack. If they sonic weld those plastic halves together you can take a hobby knife that has the tip broken off and back scrape the seam and then find some way to make it hinged or make some tabs so you can open it up to swap out the battery pack. Honestly, it doesn't look like it'd be all that difficult since the only part that seems absolutely required would be the plug and the cover with the tabs. It'd just come down to how much time you wanna invest in making it perfect. Guess I should've watched the entire video before commenting. Lol!
It is easy to open up - I show that at the end of the video while going over the internals. No plastic welding, just 4 little screws keeping the case halves together. That is not the issue with these proprietary "smart" batteries. The problem is they have a micro processor in them that communicates with the model. In short, even if you wired a different 3S pack to the ESC (which would be very easy to do), the ESC/BEC won't power on unless it also sees the signal from the battery. I have not had time to probe the signal pin output with an oscilloscope to find out if the signal is a simple voltage trigger, a digital pulse, or an analog pulse. Regardless, it's not an easy 5 minute hack.
@@Rchelicopterfun yeah... I watched it to the end, but, as usual, I commented halfway through the video. Lol! That sucks about the microprocessor. I wonder how hard it'd be to figure out exactly what that microprocessor is doing?
Thing is, if Eachine used a standard 3S LiPo instead of these miserable smart/proprietary things, that would be one way they could bring down the cost a little bit. These packs are almost $45USD each; basically double what a standard name brand RC 3S 1350mAH pack costs. Of course, we all know why they are doing it - to force the consumer to purchase their packs only. I'll certainly be looking at hacking them this week.
No they aren’t. As technology progress they have to have someone pay for all that R&D then add in the fact they time required to assemble a scale piece also adds to the price.
@@Noobmaster-ug4cc... Nope ,it will be Super hard to quit Crying 😭😭😭😭 after you just blew $400.00+ from crashing to the next life...Get the Eachine BF 109 heli with "Opti-Flow" sensors and then make a move up...
90% of all RC helicopters have CW rotating rotors (viewed from above); likely 100% if we are talking about the small stuff like this. Doubtful Eachine would create an entirely new FBL system/firmware for this one single small scale heli in their lineup.
I have the Eachine 200 Blackhawk...I'm noticing that it's taking over 2 hours to charge it's battery...is this normal, and how long should it take...it came from the factory with 2 bars?
@@jacobtedder4813 Arron longs channel. He is chief engineer at Yu Xiang Shenzhen CHI-NA.He had a Jayhawk at the field with him too when demonstrating the new E180 V2. His channel was mysteriously deleted the other day my guess was because his channel was filled with items that are still under R&D.
Release of the Jayhawk version is eminent. But they added a bunch of drone stuff to it. This one has been great. But the red/white USCG is very tempting.
Not a big deal to get readings and do repairs on these batteries, I just bought a second charger and wired in my charger's connectors which allow me to balance and fast charger on my smart charger and get readings with the AccuCell - it's not much of a negative at all. Before I got this beauty I stuck the guts of the XK124 in a 1/48 plastic model UH-60 Blackhawk with even more detail than this (obviously being a scale plastic display model kit) and using the plastic kit scale main blades replacing the XK blades, even replaced thew tail rotor with the scale 4 blade rotor but that failed at the hub so went back to the XK tail rotor, just painted it black, it is actually hard to know which I prefer, this heli is a bit bigger at around 1/40 scale but my kit bash is more detailed and lighter and cost me less than a quarter of the price.
I respectfully disagree that it's not a "big deal". Sure you can do all that, but the majority of folks out there either don't understand how to, nor do they have the time to. Fundamentally, why should we have to? Why should we be paying over double the price for a smart pack over a standard one? Why then spend even more money and time to purchase and hack a charger to get it to work with a charger you already have? Why are we being forced into proprietary packs? This is absolutely unacceptable, never mind all the reported charger and pack failures on this thing thus far. Smart packs have no place in our hobby. If Eachine continues down this path with future models, they have just lost me as a product supporter.
How hard is it to add a simple gps position hold on these small rc aircraft, it doesn't need to tell us how many satellites and if it has lock etc, just a button that triggers position hold via gps if it has enough sats oc.
The battery packs are a good reason why I will think 3 or 4 times before I decide to buy or NOT! All of my purchases are a tradeoff of voting for a product or refusing to buy from a company that does not keep the purchaser's interest in mind. We'll see.
How simple is it to bind to your own transmitter and setting it up? Just add then bind and good to go ? Or is there more in depth to programming the radio if so how would one do that? Do the instructions tell you how ?
If you fully understand collective pitch setup with a computerized radio and have setup your fair share of collective pitch RC helicopters, this heli is no different from any other collective pitch helicopter when it comes to setup. If you've never setup a collective pitch RC helicopter on a computerized radio, it's a big learning curve (why I've written an eBook on it). The included instructions don't go over any of it. It's also somewhat computerized radio dependent. I'm flying with an OpenTX computerized radio (RadioMaster TX16S to be exact), and use my OpenTX heli template which I cover in detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/XdFOndPG7xo/w-d-xo.html
I jus got mines 2day and after further examination I think this copter is not worth $400 maybe $250-$300 and u r right it’s very fragile thin plastic almost like egg shells 1 hard landing and it’s bound to break.. but I like the scale looks too bad the doors don’t fully open
Hi, first nice video and it is impressive for its size, second will you be trying the Aixun T3A/T3B soldering station I saw it is amazing soo if you ever wanna change from Ksger I recommend Aixun T3A/T3B with JBC Handle
I'm trying to decide whether I should buy this or the YXZNRC F09-S, which is the scale Coast Guard helicopter. FLight time is my priority, but these two probably have the same 10-12 minute range. Any advice?
Mode is a function of the transmitter, not the helicopter. The transmitter the RTF version comes with allows both mode 1&2 gimbal assignment. The other option is to pair it to your own existing mode 1 or 2 computerized transmitter as I have done. Eachine uses Futaba's S-FHSS protocol in their built in receiver, but as shown in the video you can plug in DSM or S-bus RX's as well.
Great another rc helicopter I want to get, I am not ready to fly it yet, but that is ok I can strip the decals and put correct ones on it for the 160th. I have never seen one say B Hawk 60 where UNITED STATES ARMY goes picky I know just the way my brain works
In time someone will figure soldering a JST for a replacement pack like the beloved Bugs 3 Mini & in this case a painted OD pack & velcroed to the body, minus the searchlight. If a supplied pack goes bad in time, even better . Now theres a shell to stuff in a similar pack. Shes sure pretty. 👍
I need more details in order to understand the problem better such as which way it's spinning (yawing is what I presume you are referencing) and if so what throttle curve are you using (specifically while spooling up). Please contact me through my website with technical questions like this: www.rchelicopterfun.com/contact.html
I am having a strange problem since last 2 months on my Eachine E200. It started all of a sudden mid flight and I crashed. Lucky it crashed over tall grass and the tail gear completely destroyed with one of the main rotor blades a little chipped from hitting the main shaft. Everything is good though. But the problem is my issue is not gone. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesnt. After throttling up and getting in the air the tail motor will power up and down throwing the heli in a powerful anti clockwise rotation and becomes impossible to fly. Its really scary to fly. Usually I hover a few inches above the ground for the first 2 minutes after take off and give some forward reverse inputs. If the tail rotor keeps unnecesarily powering high and down I quickly land it. It is also accompanied by a humming sound at around 40% throttle as if the body is resonating and shaft touching something and the sound disappears with throttle exceeding 50%. I checked the inside and nothing is touching the shaft and nothing is loose inside. Feels bad it almost useless now. Any suggestions?
Just found your video on this monster, is the radio that comes with it horrible? Just curious, looks like you are using your own radio. Thanks for sharing with all of us.
Actually, the entry level Eachine E6 computerized radio is decent for a low cost/first computerized radio running Futaba S-FHSS protocol. I did a review on it (the XK X6 same thing) a while back: th-cam.com/video/lzW9m8899Tk/w-d-xo.html
Really nice helicopter but unfortunately, the battery is a real deal killer! Lost interest in it immediately after hearing about the battery issue...... If Eachine is smart, they will offer an upgrade in the future where you can replace the stock battery with your own......
@John Burrows - appreciate that and yes, I suppose a log home in the Canadian Rockies is a little more impressive than a small RC helicopter from China - lol 🙂
Thanks for the video John!! I’m in the process of picking one of these up and I have a Spektrum NX8 would it be possible to bind with that with the correct receiver? If so , could you direct me which or what I would need to do so please? Thanks
Yes it will by plugging a Spektrum DSM protocol micro/satellite receiver into the DSM port. There are several micro DSM RX's on the market as you likely know. Your call if you want to stick with Spektrum or aftermarket. I don't fly Spektrum anymore, but if I did, I would get the Kensun micro satellite RX for it: www.buddyrc.com/products/kensun-dsm2-dsmx-compatible-satellite-receiver-with-binding-button?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb
Awesome thanks John!! I see it’s also a three prong connector too, I just picked up the NX8 and the heli should be here next week, I really appreciate this!!!
Another great review John , i think your one of the first ppl to do proper 3D with it, so hats off to you. Been waiting a long time for an affordable 200 scale heli. I really hope they do a eurocopter version with a minature fenestron! Also enjoying ur other xxl ec build.
As I clearly stated in the video, " *no scale helicopter is good for learning on* ". They are way too fragile and too heavy to make decent trainers. You MUST be a proficient collective pitch RC helicopter pilot before considering scale; unless of course you don't mind completely destroying it in a very short time frame. You start on a more robust and forgiving pod and boom helicopter. I cover good options on my Best RC Helicopter page on my website along with how to learn to fly and setup RC helicopters: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
@Mat K - Speaking of sharing, care to share with us all what is a "way better" 200 size, pre-built, direct drive, scale collective pitch RC helicopter with this much out of box detail? As a scale RC heli enthusiast, I would love to know about these better scale unicorns you speak of....... Crickets
Your website and videos have helped me to no end, I participated in my first size 770mm and below flights in Australia, 2 years from a echine / blade rtf start to a spektrum run 700 goblin raw and a few toys per recommendation on the channel. Many thanks
One of my batteries burst into flames while charging. It seemed to be talking longer than usual for the light to stop blinking, then it started to smell and was bursting so I could not get it out of the charger. I put it in a lipo fire bag and took it outside, just after I put it on some bricks, it burst into flames, destroying the charger and headlight.
@Mark A### - Sorry to hear that - another dumb 'smart' battery goes up in flame. Definitely the single lowest point of this otherwise very nice little scale heli. Let's hope a standard 3S LiPo solution is available soon.
@@Rchelicopterfun I am not the only one that has had this problem. From what I have read, original battery chargers could not detect under voltage from when a battery has been over discharged. If batteries are left in the helicopter they will drain completely so that when they are put in the charger the charger keeps charging them and does not turn off. They have since modified the chargers and issued warnings to not leave the batteries in the helicopter and to not attempt charging batteries if they do not respond.
Looks like an e180 with a very nice body. Tail motor is the same. You can probably bind with spektrum with a binded satellite. Show us how to put a normal 3s in and I’ll get one.
Mine arrived today. I want to let you know that be very careful in charging the battery. I used the included charger and one of the batteries puffed up and almost blew up. I notified Banggood. We will see how good their customer service is. Be careful with this one.
Another reason I dislike these types of smart/dumb LiPo packs so much - no way to monitor them or each individual cell as they charge which would catch such problems before they became an issue. It's too bad because other than those packs, this is turning out to be a great little scale heli.
Great video! It's really disappointing that the producers are equipping these types of helis with these closed batteries and that you cannot smart balance charge them without bigger modifications. Sure these companies want to sell more of their own system batteries. But in conventional CP helis there are standards like XT 30 or XT 60 connectors and balance connectors what makes life so much easier and safer. But this bird really looks nice!!
That is such a sweet looking heli. In researching it I couldn’t wait to check out your review. Night flight is especially impressive. Btw, beautiful house. Seeing the Heli against your scenic backdrop, I couldn’t help think of the opening scene from the movie “Commando”. 😉
great review i bought one of these last year first flight on landing broke the tail fin what a job to fix it then wheel suspension broke sent away for a set then found it was hard to replace them so had to drill two holes ether side to fit them what a game doing so cut the red light wire so sent of for one it arrived but like you had a difficult time splitting it so had to cut wire and tape them together still work's since then haven't flown it wish i hadn't bought it. to be honest your the first person on you tube to show how to fly and strip it down brilliant thank's for that. eugene coventry uk
Is that “bounce back” at 13:25 due to computer-aided stabilization, or what causes the bounce back? I’ve zero experience with RC helicopters and have only ever flown quadcopters.
Eachine E200 UH-60 Blackhawk RTF & BNF versions (1,2&3 battery options):
www.banggood.com/custlink/K3mYucKisD
New to Scale RC Helicopters? Learn all about this fun side of our hobby on my website:
www.rchelicopterfun.com/scale-rc-helicopters.html
Addressing all rivet counters who have the same two comments/questions about the scale accuracy of this model:
*_1. Main blades turning the wrong way:_* What you may not realize it that approximately 90% of all RC helicopters (100% of all this size) have CW rotating mains, and in order to switch the rotation direction, Eachine would have to have a different FBL system/firmware to accommodate the opposite phase lag & reactive torque. Something tells me they are not going to that trouble or expense for one single small heli in their entire line-up. And honestly who even cares? Once it's spooled, you can't tell which way they are turning; you simply see an opaque rotor disc.
*_2. Doesn't have a true scale 4 bladed tail rotor:_* Some basic Newtonian physics involved with that scale compromise. All small helis like this one these days use a brushless motorized direct drive fixed pitch tail rotor because it's the best option in terms of performance, robustness, efficiency (thrust & energy), ease of maintenance, weight & cost. Thrust changes with this design occur only by motor speed changes, not tail blade AOA pitch changes; so the faster the tail motor can speed up and slow down, the better the tail hold & tail authority will be. A 4 bladed tail rotor would have too much rotating mass to accelerate & decelerate fast enough (slow response time) to counter the fast torque changes from the main rotor. In short, both anti-torque control and tail authority would SUCK. Other manufacturers have already tried this and it doesn't work - period! The most that has been used with acceptable results are 3 bladed fixed pitch tail rotors; however a two bladed fixed pitch tail rotor still works the best in terms of reaction speed, performance & efficiency. www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-rudder.html
These are the necessary scale compromises required to have a decent & efficient flying scale RC helicopter in this 200 size range. This is not a static model that sits on the shelf collecting dust after all; believe it or not, RC enthusiasts actually want to fly it and we want a good performing heli while doing so. 🙂
Nice video! FYI, HeliMax actually use to produce this same heli in the same size with an actual miniature shaft driven tail. It was discontinued many years ago, probably due to the extensive repairs needed when crashed. Wish I hadn't sold mine because the adjustable pitch tail really added to the realism.
I was going to mention this same heli. I still have mine, great little scale heli
@Emiliano Escalante - Same fuselage you mean - very different mechanics & electronics as you pointed out. I flew the HeliMax Blackhawk back in 2013 - very different heli than this one. It had a totally different feel and much shorter flight time.
@@Rchelicopterfun Agreed. Aside from looks, completely different helicopter.
Cant believe u took it apart youre so cool and proper engr for doing that
Amazing detail for such a small Heli,Eachine have a winner with this model.
I agree Gary 👍 Hoping if it does well, they will consider adding more scale helicopters to their lineup using this platform. Just hope they rethink those costly proprietary dumb battery packs; last thing we need is for Eachine to become DJI - lol.
@@Rchelicopterfun You would think if they was considering more models they would use a standard lipo, makes a change from the usual M2 style helis, love my M2 just nice to see something different
hi John, yes they are a beauty to behold, loving mine. A regular 6 cell lipo checker does match into the lipo pinouts just fine. I'm adding blue LEDs into the canopy area for when it gets really dark outside.
@Kiwi_craig RC - A cell checker will not work with these packs - the pinouts are totally different from a standard balance plug. Left to right as I demo in the video.
Pin 1 - ground. Pin 2 - ground. Pin 3 Cell 1 +. Pin 4 Signal trigger to power on ESC/BEC. Pin 5 Cell 2+. Pin 6 Cell 3+/Batt +. Pin 7 Same as pin 6.
@@Rchelicopterfun That results in a no sale for me, I love r/cs but I have a nice 4 bay with a 1.8kw psu charger that I use for all kinds of things including r/c things.
@@Rchelicopterfun I made my own adapter, automotive micro fuses are the perfect blade width to fit the battery grooves. Ive also soldered onto the pinouts in the balance charger base as well and run both setups on a standard balance charger.
Funny to see the rolling takeoff and landing. We had to do rolling takeoffs when we were to heavy to hover (UH-60A Ft. Campbell 1980’s). Landing when loss of tail rotor “training”. Nice though.
Increased effective translational lift... 🙂👍
@@Rchelicopterfun Sort of. Transitional lift is a constant between 15 to 25 kts. (ETL). Like the scale of the model though!
headlights don't cost much, so it's easy just to get an extra one or two to mount them permanently on each battery.
What a beautiful house
Hopefully by next year I can be able to say I can fly one cause I’m buying one lol love this n not 500$!! Looks really good. I’ve been flying 3years or so and I’m not even close to ready, but gonna make it happen . Take care. Greetings from New Jersey
This hobby is all about the journey - enjoy every minute of the learning process and of course, have fun. 🙂
Decent video man!!
there a shifty company Eachine … I wouldn't touch that helicopter just because of the battery. It's a major bad design bad choice money pit.…
you should check out the Roban UH60 BlackHawk
You got skills! Great video.
Glad you liked it 🙂
beautiful yard
Thanks
The light is 7 bucks...I bought one for each battery plus another charger and every spare they make. God bless Banggood.
GEORGEOUS cabin home..dang dude
Super video
Cool smoothie
Looks like a great little scale Heli! After seeing the Batteries... It should come with a Micky of Rye, John. lol
I was kind of impressed when you took it out of the box but that search light combined with the Batteries and NO RYE... I think it's going to be a pass for me, especially since my middle name doesn't rhythm with Fragile! I know a gentleman out your way with terrific soldering skills that could 3D print you a cover & solder in the connector so you can use any battery you like! BTW, his name is John Salt! 😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Larry - too funny. I don't trust that JS bugger to solder anything of mine 😄
@@Rchelicopterfun I'm happy if I made you smile John. 😊👍 I would trust you with any of my Heli stuff! Welcome back and stay well my friend!
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Yeah but what do you do when you have parts failures or break things. Everything is so specialized and it seems parts market is iffy for it
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Waiting to see if someone will make a 300 size direct drive.. I know the OMP M5 project was cancelled since they were unable to make it work per an OMP test pilot.
@gmodesike - Someone already has. SAB has had their direct drive 300 size fireball and mini comet on the market for a good number of years now; predating the original OMP M2. I think the direct drive fireball was first on market in 2016, maybe even 2015 and the original OMP M2 was released in 2019.
@@Rchelicopterfun oh wow! I didn't realize those were direct drive! I learned something today!! Thank you! You're awesome!!! :)
@@Rchelicopterfun The Goblin Raw 420 is also direct drive...
@@gmodesike now I just learned something new too :)
@@Rchelicopterfun 😅😀 Just a bunch of learning and growing going here! ☺️
man that's awesome looks epic love this thing 👌
I have the blade Apache helicopter I'm really upset because it's discontinued and I can no longer get replacement parts
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Hello, i’ve always wanted to get into this hobby do you think it would be a good idea for me to go ahead and buy this helicopter and try it out or is there a few things I should do first? Do you by any chance have a video for beginners?
@Christopher - As I mention in the video, no scale collective pitch RC helicopter, including this one, is good for learning on - they are way too fragile and finicky.
You must learn on Pod & Boom first. Only once you fully understand pod & boom collective pitch RC helicopters from the basics of how RC helicopters work & are controlled, how to properly setup them up and can fly them without or rarely crashing can scale helicopters like this one then be considered.
I have an entire website that is focused on helping beginners successfully get into this complex hobby plus many videos on my channel going over specifics, but the website is the best place to start: www.rchelicopterfun.com/
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Surely it wouldn't be that hard to open that plastic battery pack open and stuff it with a better battery pack. If they sonic weld those plastic halves together you can take a hobby knife that has the tip broken off and back scrape the seam and then find some way to make it hinged or make some tabs so you can open it up to swap out the battery pack.
Honestly, it doesn't look like it'd be all that difficult since the only part that seems absolutely required would be the plug and the cover with the tabs. It'd just come down to how much time you wanna invest in making it perfect.
Guess I should've watched the entire video before commenting. Lol!
It is easy to open up - I show that at the end of the video while going over the internals. No plastic welding, just 4 little screws keeping the case halves together. That is not the issue with these proprietary "smart" batteries. The problem is they have a micro processor in them that communicates with the model. In short, even if you wired a different 3S pack to the ESC (which would be very easy to do), the ESC/BEC won't power on unless it also sees the signal from the battery. I have not had time to probe the signal pin output with an oscilloscope to find out if the signal is a simple voltage trigger, a digital pulse, or an analog pulse. Regardless, it's not an easy 5 minute hack.
@@Rchelicopterfun yeah... I watched it to the end, but, as usual, I commented halfway through the video. Lol! That sucks about the microprocessor. I wonder how hard it'd be to figure out exactly what that microprocessor is doing?
I hope someone makes an rc 1/48 huey
Those are not wire strike protection, they are pitot tubes to measure airspeed.
I was referencing the upper & lower cable cutters
Main rotor rotates in the wrong direction.
See pinned comment.
Would look better if it was Blue Thunder body
Hi, you know whats the maximum distance is you can fly away?
If you can see it, you can control it.
I want to buy bnf version,This heli can buy radio controls xk x6 ?
Yes. As stated, S-FHSS protocol.
Super video, super helicopter little bit tp money. I am not rich
Looks cool, will never buy due to the battery
The battery just ruins it for me
For 300-400.00usd rant my brother plus shipping
Thing is, if Eachine used a standard 3S LiPo instead of these miserable smart/proprietary things, that would be one way they could bring down the cost a little bit. These packs are almost $45USD each; basically double what a standard name brand RC 3S 1350mAH pack costs. Of course, we all know why they are doing it - to force the consumer to purchase their packs only. I'll certainly be looking at hacking them this week.
@@Rchelicopterfun I'd still pay $400 for this if it used a regular 3s with regular balance plug.
Its not a true 60 unless you nosedive it into the ground a few times
Ew it’s a lima
They're not getting any cheaper, are they 😪
oh well i just got a HK 450 and having fun with it. thank god for ebay auctions.
No they aren’t. As technology progress they have to have someone pay for all that R&D then add in the fact they time required to assemble a scale piece also adds to the price.
Impressive for it's size and handled the breeze fine. Hopefully they'll rethink about the battery and make it a lot easier for the pilot.
For the record folks this is NOT some Syma coaxial beginner helicopter. You must know what your doing when flying one of these.
So like if I got one it would be like super hard just to go up and down and around ?
Thanks for the heads up.
@@Noobmaster-ug4cc... Nope ,it will be Super hard to quit Crying 😭😭😭😭 after you just blew $400.00+ from crashing to the next life...Get the Eachine BF 109 heli with "Opti-Flow" sensors and then make a move up...
Not really. They are still heavily stabilised and rather drone-like to fly.
They don’t fly anything like a proper rc helicopter.
That's really cool except one thing. For being a scale model the blades are backwards. Besides that it's pretty awsome
Also it’s got air force markings, so it would be a pave hawk, most of the markings are incorrect too, I work on blackhawks
I was looking at that but wasn't sure so I just kept my mouth shut....🤔😳🙄😶
@@ramseyodin Ohh man... You are the CW Lemoine of the rotary wing aircraft world :D
90% of all RC helicopters have CW rotating rotors (viewed from above); likely 100% if we are talking about the small stuff like this. Doubtful Eachine would create an entirely new FBL system/firmware for this one single small scale heli in their lineup.
What is the price of this helicopter
14:13 or any other moment when its against sky when paused it looks like real blackhawk thats much further haha ;
I have the Eachine 200 Blackhawk...I'm noticing that it's taking over 2 hours to charge it's battery...is this normal, and how long should it take...it came from the factory with 2 bars?
Looks great. They are coming out with the NAVY MH-60S “Tridents” soon and I like the light gray/red scheme they did so I am going to get that one. 👍
Where’d you see that?
@@jacobtedder4813 Arron longs channel. He is chief engineer at Yu Xiang Shenzhen CHI-NA.He had a Jayhawk at the field with him too when demonstrating the new E180 V2. His channel was mysteriously deleted the other day my guess was because his channel was filled with items that are still under R&D.
Release of the Jayhawk version is eminent. But they added a bunch of drone stuff to it. This one has been great. But the red/white USCG is very tempting.
I would love to have this but it’s really expensive..
Not a big deal to get readings and do repairs on these batteries, I just bought a second charger and wired in my charger's connectors which allow me to balance and fast charger on my smart charger and get readings with the AccuCell - it's not much of a negative at all. Before I got this beauty I stuck the guts of the XK124 in a 1/48 plastic model UH-60 Blackhawk with even more detail than this (obviously being a scale plastic display model kit) and using the plastic kit scale main blades replacing the XK blades, even replaced thew tail rotor with the scale 4 blade rotor but that failed at the hub so went back to the XK tail rotor, just painted it black, it is actually hard to know which I prefer, this heli is a bit bigger at around 1/40 scale but my kit bash is more detailed and lighter and cost me less than a quarter of the price.
I respectfully disagree that it's not a "big deal". Sure you can do all that, but the majority of folks out there either don't understand how to, nor do they have the time to. Fundamentally, why should we have to?
Why should we be paying over double the price for a smart pack over a standard one? Why then spend even more money and time to purchase and hack a charger to get it to work with a charger you already have? Why are we being forced into proprietary packs?
This is absolutely unacceptable, never mind all the reported charger and pack failures on this thing thus far. Smart packs have no place in our hobby. If Eachine continues down this path with future models, they have just lost me as a product supporter.
How hard is it to add a simple gps position hold on these small rc aircraft, it doesn't need to tell us how many satellites and if it has lock etc, just a button that triggers position hold via gps if it has enough sats oc.
I had a helicopter similar to this, until my cousin flew it into the ceiling fan...
The battery packs are a good reason why I will think 3 or 4 times before I decide to buy or NOT! All of my purchases are a tradeoff of voting for a product or refusing to buy from a company that does not keep the purchaser's interest in mind. We'll see.
How simple is it to bind to your own transmitter and setting it up? Just add then bind and good to go ? Or is there more in depth to programming the radio if so how would one do that? Do the instructions tell you how ?
If you fully understand collective pitch setup with a computerized radio and have setup your fair share of collective pitch RC helicopters, this heli is no different from any other collective pitch helicopter when it comes to setup.
If you've never setup a collective pitch RC helicopter on a computerized radio, it's a big learning curve (why I've written an eBook on it). The included instructions don't go over any of it. It's also somewhat computerized radio dependent. I'm flying with an OpenTX computerized radio (RadioMaster TX16S to be exact), and use my OpenTX heli template which I cover in detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/XdFOndPG7xo/w-d-xo.html
I like the model, but any other 15T’s getting annoyed by the little things wrong with the model
Hey Budd do you have a link for any remote that works with this helicopter? I have the same one without remote control/transmiter. Thanks.
Looks great but the price is double nuts. I'll stick to my cheap & cheerful K110 & E160.
I jus got mines 2day and after further examination I think this copter is not worth $400 maybe $250-$300 and u r right it’s very fragile thin plastic almost like egg shells 1 hard landing and it’s bound to break.. but I like the scale looks too bad the doors don’t fully open
Welcome to the world of scale - they are *ALL* fragile.
@@Rchelicopterfun yes I have 6 this makes 7
Hi, first nice video and it is impressive for its size, second will you be trying the Aixun T3A/T3B soldering station I saw it is amazing soo if you ever wanna change from Ksger I recommend Aixun T3A/T3B with JBC Handle
Please can u tell me is this the same heli as the Eachine E135 2.4G 6CH Direct Drive heli. Thank u
It looks realistic, but is $400.00 about what something this size goes for these days? How easy is it to fly relative to counter-rotating blades?
I'm trying to decide whether I should buy this or the YXZNRC F09-S, which is the scale Coast Guard helicopter. FLight time is my priority, but these two probably have the same 10-12 minute range. Any advice?
Great review. Is mode 1 or mode 2? I been out of RC Helis for awhile. This little Hawk looks awesome!
Mode is a function of the transmitter, not the helicopter. The transmitter the RTF version comes with allows both mode 1&2 gimbal assignment. The other option is to pair it to your own existing mode 1 or 2 computerized transmitter as I have done. Eachine uses Futaba's S-FHSS protocol in their built in receiver, but as shown in the video you can plug in DSM or S-bus RX's as well.
Great another rc helicopter I want to get, I am not ready to fly it yet, but that is ok I can strip the decals and put correct ones on it for the 160th. I have never seen one say B Hawk 60 where UNITED STATES ARMY goes picky I know just the way my brain works
Hi John ty for your video. When i put it in the RED led mode the hilo goes crazy and the number on my display goes to 85. Can you help me pls?
In time someone will figure soldering a JST for a replacement pack like the beloved Bugs 3 Mini & in this case a painted OD pack & velcroed to the body, minus the searchlight. If a supplied pack goes bad in time, even better . Now theres a shell to stuff in a similar pack. Shes sure pretty. 👍
Or, they’ll hack that battery pack case to work as just a cover
Hello John,
How do I prevent my E200 Heli tail from spinning upon startup and while flying. The Heli is not in 3D mode either. Thanks
I need more details in order to understand the problem better such as which way it's spinning (yawing is what I presume you are referencing) and if so what throttle curve are you using (specifically while spooling up). Please contact me through my website with technical questions like this: www.rchelicopterfun.com/contact.html
I am having a strange problem since last 2 months on my Eachine E200. It started all of a sudden mid flight and I crashed. Lucky it crashed over tall grass and the tail gear completely destroyed with one of the main rotor blades a little chipped from hitting the main shaft. Everything is good though. But the problem is my issue is not gone. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesnt. After throttling up and getting in the air the tail motor will power up and down throwing the heli in a powerful anti clockwise rotation and becomes impossible to fly. Its really scary to fly. Usually I hover a few inches above the ground for the first 2 minutes after take off and give some forward reverse inputs. If the tail rotor keeps unnecesarily powering high and down I quickly land it. It is also accompanied by a humming sound at around 40% throttle as if the body is resonating and shaft touching something and the sound disappears with throttle exceeding 50%. I checked the inside and nothing is touching the shaft and nothing is loose inside. Feels bad it almost useless now. Any suggestions?
Blackhawks are Army helis.. But this is really cool
Just found your video on this monster, is the radio that comes with it horrible? Just curious, looks like you are using your own radio. Thanks for sharing with all of us.
Actually, the entry level Eachine E6 computerized radio is decent for a low cost/first computerized radio running Futaba S-FHSS protocol. I did a review on it (the XK X6 same thing) a while back: th-cam.com/video/lzW9m8899Tk/w-d-xo.html
Really nice helicopter but unfortunately, the battery is a real deal killer! Lost interest in it immediately after hearing about the battery issue......
If Eachine is smart, they will offer an upgrade in the future where you can replace the stock battery with your own......
Impressive. To be honest, I’m more impressed with your home. Beautiful place.
@John Burrows - appreciate that and yes, I suppose a log home in the Canadian Rockies is a little more impressive than a small RC helicopter from China - lol 🙂
Thanks for the video John!! I’m in the process of picking one of these up and I have a Spektrum NX8 would it be possible to bind with that with the correct receiver? If so , could you direct me which or what I would need to do so please? Thanks
Yes it will by plugging a Spektrum DSM protocol micro/satellite receiver into the DSM port. There are several micro DSM RX's on the market as you likely know. Your call if you want to stick with Spektrum or aftermarket. I don't fly Spektrum anymore, but if I did, I would get the Kensun micro satellite RX for it: www.buddyrc.com/products/kensun-dsm2-dsmx-compatible-satellite-receiver-with-binding-button?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb
Awesome thanks John!! I see it’s also a three prong connector too, I just picked up the NX8 and the heli should be here next week, I really appreciate this!!!
wow.. your house looks beautiful
First video of yours I’ve seen but 15 sec in detect a Canadian 🇨🇦 liked the vid
I agree it`s remarcable compared to "RTF" scale helicopters of this size.
Another great review John , i think your one of the first ppl to do proper 3D with it, so hats off to you. Been waiting a long time for an affordable 200 scale heli. I really hope they do a eurocopter version with a minature fenestron! Also enjoying ur other xxl ec build.
🙂👍
Is it ok with beginners or is there a suitable mode for pilots with less experience?
I'm planning to get the Blackhawk as my first helicopter...
As I clearly stated in the video, " *no scale helicopter is good for learning on* ". They are way too fragile and too heavy to make decent trainers. You MUST be a proficient collective pitch RC helicopter pilot before considering scale; unless of course you don't mind completely destroying it in a very short time frame. You start on a more robust and forgiving pod and boom helicopter. I cover good options on my Best RC Helicopter page on my website along with how to learn to fly and setup RC helicopters: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
@ AU$653.63 they are dreaming. Way better models out there for that money. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
@Mat K - Speaking of sharing, care to share with us all what is a "way better" 200 size, pre-built, direct drive, scale collective pitch RC helicopter with this much out of box detail? As a scale RC heli enthusiast, I would love to know about these better scale unicorns you speak of....... Crickets
Your website and videos have helped me to no end, I participated in my first size 770mm and below flights in Australia, 2 years from a echine / blade rtf start to a spektrum run 700 goblin raw and a few toys per recommendation on the channel. Many thanks
@kade631 - Thanks for the visits to both & glad to help 👍🙂
Same here.
for an electric, I'll stick to my F645
One of my batteries burst into flames while charging. It seemed to be talking longer than usual for the light to stop blinking, then it started to smell and was bursting so I could not get it out of the charger. I put it in a lipo fire bag and took it outside, just after I put it on some bricks, it burst into flames, destroying the charger and headlight.
@Mark A### - Sorry to hear that - another dumb 'smart' battery goes up in flame. Definitely the single lowest point of this otherwise very nice little scale heli. Let's hope a standard 3S LiPo solution is available soon.
@@Rchelicopterfun I am not the only one that has had this problem. From what I have read, original battery chargers could not detect under voltage from when a battery has been over discharged. If batteries are left in the helicopter they will drain completely so that when they are put in the charger the charger keeps charging them and does not turn off. They have since modified the chargers and issued warnings to not leave the batteries in the helicopter and to not attempt charging batteries if they do not respond.
Looks like an e180 with a very nice body. Tail motor is the same. You can probably bind with spektrum with a binded satellite. Show us how to put a normal 3s in and I’ll get one.
Mine arrived today. I want to let you know that be very careful in charging the battery. I used the included charger and one of the batteries puffed up and almost blew up. I notified Banggood. We will see how good their customer service is. Be careful with this one.
Another reason I dislike these types of smart/dumb LiPo packs so much - no way to monitor them or each individual cell as they charge which would catch such problems before they became an issue. It's too bad because other than those packs, this is turning out to be a great little scale heli.
Great video! It's really disappointing that the producers are equipping these types of helis with these closed batteries and that you cannot smart balance charge them without bigger modifications. Sure these companies want to sell more of their own system batteries. But in conventional CP helis there are standards like XT 30 or XT 60 connectors and balance connectors what makes life so much easier and safer. But this bird really looks nice!!
I'm sure that was a good review. But I confess I was focused more on you beautiful yard and house.
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Debating whether or not to get one. It's pretty steep in price.
That is such a sweet looking heli. In researching it I couldn’t wait to check out your review. Night flight is especially impressive. Btw, beautiful house. Seeing the Heli against your scenic backdrop, I couldn’t help think of the opening scene from the movie “Commando”. 😉
Thanks for watching 🙂
I'm amazed you've managed to keep your turf green in this weather - must be cool where you live.
great review i bought one of these last year first flight on landing broke the tail fin what a job to fix it then wheel suspension broke sent away for a set then found it was hard to replace them so had to drill two holes ether side to fit them what a game doing so cut the red light wire so sent of for one it arrived but like you had a difficult time splitting it so had to cut wire and tape them together still work's since then haven't flown it wish i hadn't bought it. to be honest your the first person on you tube to show how to fly and strip it down brilliant thank's for that. eugene coventry uk
Like the Blackhawk..but I'm waiting for a AH 64 apache..why doesn't anyone make a scale that don't cost 2 grand? Love the channel!
From your camera work, it appears to be very near to 1:48 scale. How close is my guess?
It’s listed as 1/47.
2 problems I have with it, blades are subosed to spin counter clockwise and the tail rotor is supposed to have 4 blades
See pinned comment.
Very nice.
I do enjoy simple flight or scale flight.
Is that “bounce back” at 13:25 due to computer-aided stabilization, or what causes the bounce back? I’ve zero experience with RC helicopters and have only ever flown quadcopters.
My guess is not enough tail gyro delay (gyro reacts before tail motor can respond & stabilize).
Flip it upside-down. By the way you have a beautiful home.God bless.
Thanks for posting.Very interesting!
Radio has no battery timer. Wish it did. The blinking light is hard to see when flying.
Hopefully you'll have a review of the new OMP M2 Evo 👍
Mine came with a battery stand with an xt30 and a balance plug. It would be great if you could do a video on how to replace the battery in the case.
Will it bind to spectrum have nx8
As I show in the video - it has a DSM port.