Condescending Christian vs Pretentious Atheist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- This video is not to be taken seriously. Volkeh, Magniloquence, and One Mouth One Meal are not my friends and I do not encourage anyone to behave like this. Please, atheist or Christian, keep the comments respectful. Don't be these guys.
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Gollum won the argument 😈😈
Chiottes de Bavard won the argument
Sméagol won the argument. 🥺
Frodo won the argument
I froggot who won the argument
Indeed, Gollum's owner has ordered him to win the argument, *and so he did*
theologic debates don’t become a shitshow challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Seriously though, how does ANY argument on the internet that has any theological presence always manages to only go in circles one way or another?
Theology and Politics: Becoming so insufferable people would rather just go off the grid.
Once had a religious discussion without it turning into a shitshow. The trick to it was basically just mentioning what you believe in and how you came to believe it, without going out of your way to explain how the other side is wrong.
@@zettovii1367 But then is that even a debate?
If something about politics or religion is mentioned that argument is going down
"Going against your beliefs is not a sign of dishonest beliefs, it's a sign of despair."
...if you have merch, that quote needs to be on them, FC.
It could also be a sign of weakness of character.
That qoute goes hard af
@@AmericanBrit9834 if anyone is in true despair their character doesn’t matter. They’ll act with the same desperation as anyone else in despair
Fuck this is so true it hurts
@@TheUncivilizedNation people still have morals in true despair and some people can take a lot before jumping off that cliff
Volkeh being a Christian is the plot twist of the century.
He seems more agnostic to me. He just said he believes in a higher power but that he doesn’t really care about any of the rules.
I always thought his religion was himself. He embodies the quote "I was an athiest until I found that I'm a god" lmfao
Well he's a white supremacist, I don't know why that surprises you.
Egotheist
I don't see why you find it so surprising. Americans with opinions like his tend to be christians.
Ok, you gotta give it to the Atheist, grabbing a picture of Volkeh and using his phone as a reference to get his height is a lot of dedication.
A lot of pettiness, above all.
I hope to god he didnt make any error in his calculations. but since Volkeh only answered with insults, i guess he's right.
@@Zozo-Kikithat’s all he does though. Like, all the time.
@@Zozo-Kiki I think he'd rather you don't hope to god...
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence They often come hand in hand.
So what I’m seeing is a Reddit atheist going up against the average Evangelical, with the local deep southerner going after both and an actual atheist getting dragged into it.
the 4 religious genders
OUT OF YOUR FRIENDS, WHICH ARE YOU!?
· EVANGELICAL
·REDDITOR
·RACIST
·UNWILLING PARTICIPANT
Deep southerner? That one guy sounded more like an urban American/European alt-right bro than anything.
@@eeyorehaferbock7870 I mean that works too
There should have been a catholic in the equation >:(
Imagine Volkeh dying, being judged by Jesus, being denied entrance to heaven, and then just resorting to calling Jesus a terrorist, or some shit.
If heaven exists, I don't think that Volkeh would made it so far that he could see the golden gates lol
He's not living a very righteous life, but you don't necessarily need to in order to go to heaven. The only requirement is faith in God and Christ Almighty according to the bible, and that Jesus forgives you for your sins. The requirements are very lax.
@@eugene9211 love thy neighbor said the Lord himself. Volkeh’s not making it to Heaven without some extreme repentance. Although if St. Paul could do it I’m sure I’m sure anybody can if they choose the option
@@TheUncivilizedNation Are there any quotes in scripture describing the exact requirements for one to enter into heaven as a Christian? The only requirement as far as I'm aware is faith. Although I've heard many say that faith without deeds is dead, those are the words of men and not God, and so aren't reliable when it comes to determining matters of divinity.
@@eugene9211 the answer to this question was written centuries ago.
In James 2:26 we read, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” The context of this verse is found in James 2:14-26. In these verses, James is rebuking those who claim to have faith in Christ but don't show it by their good works.
As you can see “Faith without Works is Dead” comes from God not Man
The works themselves are laid out to us as well. Some of the most notable include following the 10 Commandments, avoiding the 7 Deadly Sins, loving thy neighbor, the entire book of Proverbs, and many many others. Performing these works and living with Faith are the two keys to achieving Salvation
There’s a reason we are encouraged to read the entire Bible multiple times
One thing i certainly did not expect was Volkeh being the middle ground in an argument, that is both amazing and very concerning.
It's not that surprising. He's a very common type of edgy contrarian that you see pop up everywhere online. He has no consistent principles, he just wants to look cool, not that he would admit to that.
@@catoticneutral Taking the middle isn't contrarian. I think the stance he takes is a relatively good one: it doesn't fall into the trapholes of fundamentalism nor what we see of the atheist in this video.
@@jackoooooooooyeah but he doesn’t actually believe in his argument. He just spouts whatever thing helps him to achieve his ideal aesthetic.
"He's not loyal to a flag, a country or any set of ideals"
@@jackoooooooooWhen you have someone on one side and someone else on the other, the only way to dissagree with both of them is standing in the middle.
As insuffarable as the christian was, I have to admit his insults are amazing. Ironic that he loves God so much, yet spits so much venom like a snake. The atheist wasn't any better though. He was just annoying.
I found the atheists ad-hominem jokes to be quite funny towards the middle sections. The penguin "insult" actually floored me. The only redeemable one her is the Christian lady. Sure, she seems quite self righteous but any devout Christian that has read the bible knows that, either they ignore it's message and don't try their best to spread the word of jesus, or don't ignore it and tell everyone whilst trying to indoctrinate them. She's tryinrg her best, even if she was misled into doing wrong things.
It's like drinking coke. Drinking one or two is ok but drinking too much of it is bad for you no matter how good it tastes. You'd get dia-beetus.
Definetly gives off the vibes of being friendly when deep down he can already see that you are going to burn in hell for not being as "devoted"
I've had a similar experience when i went to a village of a certain christian group to help with some stuff, they just LOVE letting you know how happy they are to follow their path and they are all eerily cheerful almost indoctrinated to say the same lines
This experience ultimately made doubt not the religions but the people following it, they just become so self absorbed of being the only true believers they somehow think they can get away with nasty stuff, and i did hear a lot of rumors of shady stuff happening in that village
The man probs learned Those laconic roasts from all the kids he diddled.
@@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666
Cm’on that wasn’t a catholic priest.
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It's wild how religion can never be discussed with even the slightest amount of maturity.
Since it can be rephrased as the battle for everyone's souls, it's difficult to take lightly.
And since each teaching makes a claim of truth that invalidates the others, the conversation eventually reaches a point where someone has to say "everything you believe is wrong" or something to that effect.
It's further complicated by humans having great difficulty in seeing things the way God or god(s) would see things. So, a seemingly reasonable or logically consistent answer can still be dead wrong when dealing with a miraculous entity.
- Christian
well, the debate usually comes to faith vs evidence, and both sides usually shaped their entire worldview on them, so it's hard to reach any middle ground, specially since those concepts are often used as antonyms
@@Sand_Dolphin Hi Christian ❤️,
I love the point that you expressed and I completely agree with it.
Have a nice day.
The problem is that many people when they argue, they don't argue to prove a point. They just argue to make the other person look stupid. When it comes to things like religion, a lot of arguments boil down to making the other person look stupid for believing something different or having/not having blind faith.
Something that's always bothered me about religion as a whole is how in most cases religious parents will force their children into religion, and aethiest parents will force their children into aethism.
There's nothing wrong with being a religious person or not, but children should not be taught that religious standpoints are true or false as fact. Usually the children who are exposed to this are so young that they haven't developed critical thinking skills, and they can't tell true from false on their own.
I'm not saying religion *is* false, nor that is *is* true. Just that people should be allowed to develop their own thoughts on it instead of relying on bias.
Smeagol: "We'll pray for nice hobbitses, precious!"
Gollum: "No! No we won'ts precious!! We hates nasty prayers!"
It's funny because the Christian and Atheist are using the same character so it's like they're talking to themselves
Simon Keyes is so versatile.
Ayo your Profile Picture gave me nostalgia
LEGIT two sides of the same coin
They're also both clowns, which makes it even better.
Someone once pointed out to me that Fundamentalists and diehard Atheists are two sides of the same coin, in that they both interpret the Bible in the EXACT same way and draw the EXACT same conclusions from it. The only difference is what they do with those conclusions and both can be equally destructive.
I always have a bone to pick when some Christian mfs just go around saying “well you’re gonna burn in hell ❤” as if that kind of callous approach isn’t AGAINST their own religious values
tbf honesty is a Christian value. Saying "please be a good Christian or you'll go to hell" is not un-Christian if it stems from genuine concern.
@@dale6947yeah but most of the time people say this as an argument that the other person is beyond reason, which does go against Christian principles.
As a Christian, I despise this topic as much as you do. People focus too much on the prospect of eternal damnation, which shouldn’t be the focus of the religion at all. It’s about the unity of people through God, not for people to join out of fear of hellfire.
It’s ultimately giving us a bad representation, as most people I meet are genuinely good people, and if they don’t believe in my religion then I respect it and don’t push the topic forward. It’s not good to say that unprompted and it’s not good to say it as a defense against unbelief. It’s rubbish.
I know @@goomygaming980
@@themanageriguess To be fair, having the idea of eternal damnation, and being tortured in hellfire forever is going to stick in peoples minds, even if it was only mentioned in passing in a religion's teachings.
Volkeh is such a nice religious man! Steve would absolutely befriend a good-spirited person such as him.
kiss me steve
@@Greetanate a kind request that one simply can not refuse
@@Steve-rv9fccan I also have a kiss, dear Steve?
Truly, we should all be like volkeh
@@Steve-rv9fc *20 hours of hot sloppy making out
As a not so wise man once said, “In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence”
Oh no
Oh no
Truly a model for all atheists!
I genuinely believe that this quote and the associated atheist cringe it has embodied has done more to drive people to religion than any preacher of the last 50 years.
Truly the birth of the 'ironic meme'
Man, this video was exactly what it said in the title, and i STILL got genuinely mad at these three's buffoonery. One of these days i'll just learn to roll my eyes and ignore this shite... But the potential for laughs was too great for me to ignore this vid. Oh well! Back to my gooning, and Keep up the good content, FC. Whenever your videos don't make me irrationally angry at other people's genuine idiocy, i revisit them for the great editing, philosophical arguments and genuinely good ideas and ponts y'all make. Felicidades, gabacho, eres el primer Francés que he conocido y respetado!
"back to my gooning" wait what
Back to your WHAT
Back to my gooning, aka, acting like a goon, aka being a dumbass.
This comment section reminds me of a meme where a guy has to explain that "gooning" his him drinking wine or something, and not the fetish he looked up trying to find out why people were surprised
I'm sorry, back to your what?!
volkeh is the model christian we all strive to be 😊
Fr. Imagine being a Christian and simultaneously so removed from your religion and it's principles that a normal christian considers you "beyond the Church's saving" or however the christian put it 💀
he's clearly not since he doesn't want to read the bible at all@@kohlsnofl5110
@@kohlsnofl5110 Your using normal christian very loosely
@@kohlsnofl5110that mf is not a normal Christian
@@kohlsnofl5110 Volkeh cant even proclaim himself one in name unironically. He is so crazy it would be like me proclaiming myself a world leader
thank you FC for allowing us to witness absurdity and bullshittery across the video
As a christian, this conversatiom angers me because of its redundancy. All christians know that anyone who uses the word "balderdash" is going to hell.
Straight to hell, on a bullet train.
I don't even think Satan would want bakderdashers in his realm.
Aw man
I don't even think that people who use balderdash go to hell they just get deleted from everything so they can't continue saying it
Darn!
My father has always said this: "There are three things you should never talk about with people you just met if you want to make friends with them. Soccer, politics and religion. You will end up in a conflict 99% of the time."
Golly gee. This is a great example of the latter.
even just the word "soccer" is enough to get into an argument with basically any non-American
@@alicorn3924soccer? What's that some inferior American sport to the great football that I definitely enjoy and aren't just becoming a fan of in this very moment to shit on America.
Imagine having a story called soccer, so stupid!
Man, chaotic debates/conversations like these are the only thing that will remain of us once we're gone from this earth. Aliens will either find us weird, repulsive or like-minded.
Aliens would probably find us conflicted.
This video is a perfect example of what I mean. Conflict.
Both sides of the argument defend their respective opinion with every rational arguments that they can use. Sometimes they even default to irrational arguments because, a as a conflict, you can’t bear to loose.
Regardless watching this video, both the pretentious atheist and condescending christian (and hell even Volkeh and FC at times) do make several decent arguments, back and forth.
We all try to be rational, but sometimes our points of view differ so much that we can’t really find an accord.
unless God does in fact establish the Thousand-Year Kingdom, and then create the new Heaven and Earth following Armageddon. in that case we won't be gone at all. :D
I love the use of the atheist and christian characters, since they are one of the same, but they both are darker and whiter than the same colors
(also the animations of them not wanting to see, hear or speak about the other's arguments and instead not wanting to learn from the other one)
As a Christian I hate people like One Mouth One Meal because they contradict the TRUE goal of the abrahamic faiths: to spread love and kindness to all morally dserving by falsely condemming people to hell without actually considering how what they may experience and derserve that if hell is real.
There's an Islamic story about condemning others to hell.
It's an extremely pretentious action with you putting yourself in God's role thus a major sin.
If hell is real, God is real and chances are God wouldn't be tricking us when he says they deserve hell.
I genuinely feel like you guys relationship with Volkeh is basically
"Hey you dumb shit, I hate seeing you there, how the family doing ?"
"Pretty well fuckers, better than you'll ever will, but glad to see you are here too"
Same lmao
Yeah. Feels accurate.
Ever get caught in a flame war and end up ironically bonding with your opponent because you had fun insulting each other? Because I have.
@@emanyzal9813 Ah. Brother
@@emanyzal9813 relatable, happens alot to me too
I hate how I'm actually kinda warming to Volkeh
Yes, that doesnt make any sense at all - he's vile. But at least he's vile in a somewhat entertaining way at times
In fairness, you probably add a lot of the value with your editing and perfect choice of avatar
It also helps that he's oddly not the most annoying person in this debate...
You know, Magniloquence wouldn’t even be that bad if he didn’t throw so many pretentious comments in. One Mouth, One Meal’s points were all antagonistic and just rude, while Magniloquence was genuinely right but wanted to show off or some shit.
Though the insults were all fire, always sad when it happens because no progress can be made.
if you strip away his toxicness, i personally would only tell him that if you are a nihilist and thus have to make meaning out of your life yourself, there isnt a good reason to exclude various religions which certainly can provide such a thing (many of which having bad aspects, of course). just because something isnt literally true doesnt mean it's bad to believe.
Yo but to strip away the toxicity is to strip 90% of his dialogue.
@@terdragontra8900it’s hard to believe in something that you think is not literally true
@@_Sloppyham of course, i cant do such a thing, but some people know what pillars of their psyche to leave untouched. i am very jealous of them.
@@terdragontra8900I am not, most of the time theor solution is to just not think about it.
"my brother in christ, god damned your soul before you were even born." volkeh maybe a dirt trash of a person but god DAMN he has powerful insults
Volkeh is the type of guy that would lose his mind to learn that men in ancient history would wear makeup
If volkeh has not been banned from a server than the server has SERIOUS moderation problems
These videos are not always on the same server, but yes. He tends to be in servers that have absent or indifferent owners.
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence How do you keep running into Volkeh? Do you two have some shared hobby or interest and thus join the same servers?
@@luciusstohl4836he stalks Volkeh for content
@@luciusstohl4836he's actually friends with Volkeh
@@anubis7457I wouldn't even be surprised lmao, in fact I'd do the same. He's a goldmine of ceaseless blabbering.
Magniloquence the kinda guy to non-ironically say "oh my science"
The title alone deserves a like
Volkeh is such a nice Christian man ❤
I think the most impressive and interesting to come out of this video is the revelation that someone did pixel measurements on Volkeh's height
Normally i would pause the video to see what the quick text is saying
But it's just volkeh
I couldn't care less
Aye. I speed it up so people get the point, but since it's irrelevant, I don't want it to drag on.
Man why was the Christian person roasting so well at times. Edit: now there's a war in my comment lololol
Cause both sides of the argument need to be heard
The scourge of the wicked leaves painful weals, but the sword of the righteous cuts to the bone.
Reading The Book with their flowery language and 30 different description of undescribable wonders would probably give you a natural roasting advantage. Comes with the territory really.
It's because he focused more on the sick burns rather than actually explaining his garbage, fanatical point of view (which is something he obviously wasn't able to do)
@@LuzikArbuzik77 And the video repeats itself once more.
I wonder when Christians will realize that telling people that they're going to burn in hell makes them even more averse to Christianity.
...Probably around the same time trolls learn that being toxic doesn't get them anything in the real world.
I'll let you on a secret, i think deep down they love to see people burn in hell for their "sins"
It's a win win for them really wether you join or not
Sometimes Christians dont tell you that you will burn in hell, because they care about you and wish to save you for eternal torment....
Sometimes they just say it out of pettiness. Basically telling you to "get fucked", but in a religious way.
Trolls learn that being toxic doesn’t get them anything in the world? Do you know what a troll is?
@@zettovii1367I don't get it in one sentence they tell me i only can be moral if i agree with them and on the second they say that endless torture is a fair punishment for just disaggreing with them.
@@andreiradu9655 People who say the latter probably don't know how Hell works.
The Christian is failing to understand the potential of human empathy. You can decide what's right and what's wrong by putting yourself in the others' shoes: you won't steal someone, you won't kill someone, not because a superior being told you so, but because you wouldn't want that to happen to you, so you won't do it to others.
So, all in all, he is being quite the cynical one. Towards humanity, that is
He's right on that count though. People have very little empathy for each other, especially those who claim to have it the most.
And it doesn't matter if you believe in God(s) or not. You can still be immoral.
@@StarboyXL9 We know of hypocrites like that, but I don't think people as a whole lack empathy.
The funny thing is, that is the golden rule of Christianity Lmao.
Christianity DOES teach that humanity is inherently flawed and corrupt, and that God's teachings are the only way to purify oneself.
i like how used the different sprites of Simon Keyes
the more timid and innocent looking one for the christian, emphasizing how kinda ironically vile he can be at sometimes, and the clown one for the athiest, his more energetic and clearly more explosive sprites emphasizing his rather more pretentious and dick-headed personality
22:45 I recently rediscovered your channel after quite a while and the way I've been going from crying laughter to genuine interest in the topics being discussed is insane. This part especially had me out for a solid 5 minutes. Thank you for making these, they're a pleasure to watch.
I stilk think Volkeh is just a generic edgelord :D.
Edit: I think the “christian” was definently the most toxic. Like, Volkeh is toxic, but at least he’s a predictable edgelord. But the christian was one of the more condescending “looking for any excuse to dismiss anyone less devout” attitude i’d seen. Entire arguement was “everyone not a christian is a stupid evil person going to hell.” when broken down.
Yep. Im almost convinced everybody involved was putting on a persona to an extent
The atheist was no better with his insults, comparing them to someone delusional and degrading their intelligence. Each party here was pretty bad though imo.
Gosh, imagine if harry had been part of this convo
I can't perceive a single universe where Harry would care to be part of a conversation like this.
He would probably consider them both idiots who are not deserving of his time.
@@nicementos2779And go play Lego Incredibles in peace.
@@nicementos2779 he's not atheist nor theists. he's far above any of that.
@@kirby1225 He only believes in Mr Incredible's incredibleness.
@@nicementos2779 yes
One of your best videos since a while ago, love that these more serious arguments are making a comeback again. Feels old school for sure.
I expected this video to be nothing more than toxic people brawling while FC snipes at them from the sidelines, but I actually learnt quite a bit about spirituality from you. Thanks FC.
Side note, it brings me comfort to know that people like Volkeh will never know peace, because of the all consuming hate that fills them. The schadenfreude is... great, really.
I forgot how much I enjoyed these videos.
They're entertaining, educational, and remind me how depraved some people are lol~
Fr
I'm a Christian I remember there was a time where i was eager to debate atheist but eventually I realized trying to convert someone to Christianity find a beating them in the TH-cam's comment section is very unlikely to work and can be very stressful since I would often have multiple debates with multiple different atheist at the same time so watching a bizarro world version of my debates with atheist should be pretty entertaining for me.
What did you think of the Christian's argument? Was it condescending or just being frank? Personally, I admire FC's rationality but agree that God can be useful for adding purpose to life.
Feeling second hand cringe on this side too, was a bit obnoxious when I first left my religion, before I calmed down and actually took stock of my values and why Im wasting my time this way. FC stance is where I ended up, morality, and philosophy is complex and beyond the scope of a youtube comment section, and religion have some positive impact on humanity(as well as negative, but thats why one become an atheist).
@@georget.5048 while he did make some points I agreed with he was way too condescending whenever I debated atheist they always try to look for the core of their argument and dismantle it with as few words as possible and I would avoid making any insults so the person wouldn't feel defensive and to keep the focus of the debate purely on our arguments so I agree with you he was very condescending he should work on that.
@@georget.5048 I like to think about religion as a free template for deriving meaning in your life, nihilism is cool in that you get to paint it yourself, but not everyone's built for that, so religion kinda fills the gap there
@@Rubyllim the thing about religion-or Christianity at the very least-is that it's not supposed to be you who imposes your values upon the religion. in fact, truly following Christ means denying what you perceive to be right in order to better understand the truth.
and while I can't say I'm there yet, I'd like to believe that I'm at least willing to alter what I believe when my beliefs come into conflict with what is true.
God, imagine when Volkeh is 70 , or rather 45 and on his death bed, potentially entering a different world like Hell. I wonder if he's going to realize that he was an asshole or just going to double down. Probably the latter.
He probably wont give a shit.
Cause of death?
@@scoose_name1553 Old age, drug use, never going outside and having social interactions, never sleeping due to being terminally online, eating and drinking terribly. It's common among his type.
Soryy, but if studies are anything to go by, spiteful people like Volkeh will live to be 150
Ngl he's funny.
Within the first 2 minutes of the video we already have an established antagonist,
Protagonist, and whatever you’d consider Volkeh (he definitely is a anti-hero, iykyk)
Volkeh is Volkeh
@@bruschetta7711 volkeh is a mathematical impossibility, short, incel, god believing, church hating, racist, sexist, and easy to anger. I think volkeh might some sort of weird fantasy dwarf without any of the smarts and just the shortness and easy to angerness
Volk is a full on supervillain
@@Deltanium2080
"Bowl is a villain alright just not a superone!"
-Bowl
Who's Faux Cares?
But what is the difference between religious and video game Spider-Man dialogues?
Why are people so surprised that this conversation went so awfully? It’s a proper Thanksgiving discussion if you ask me.
These arguments are so funny. Also Gollum did indeed win the arguement, hence why I'm a devoted Gollum worshipper.
Weirdly enough, Volkeh fits better into Luke Atmey's sprite than Luke Atmey does.
Discord truly has the ability to unite all kinds of insane people together!
That shit at the end that O.M.O.M. did happens to me all the time.
I make an innocuous comparison to make a point, and they think I'm trying to devalue the topic of the argument somehow.
Just as an example, I argued that a relationship (of any kind) is like a contract, since it's two parties agreeing to a mutually beneficial arrangement and/or transaction that can be ended by either party at any time.
They proceeded to say I should never be in a relationship because I clearly don't value relationships, because apparently I think a relationship is the same thing as buying a chocolate bar or something.
It's not a valid argument and it's annoying as possibly-non-existent Hell.
Trying to invalidate the argument because of the differences of the comparees (scale) rather than the what they have in common (being a mutual agreement between two parties).
@@espurrseyes42 Exactly.
It’s like if I argued that killing a dozen people is wrong and they assume that means I think killing less than a dozen is ok.
But I don’t. Only thing that changed is the number.
Es gracioso que este tema se siga discutiendo todo el tiempo desde hace mas de 2000 años, se sigan dando los mismos puntos de vista, se siga llegando a un punto muerto y se siga pensando que vale la pena reintentar haciendo todo del mismo modo.
Literalmente la definición de la locura lol
Jaja a veces olvido que no soy el único que habla español que ve estas cosas
En cuanto al video esto es básicamente el mismo típico "debate" lleno de errores que he visto en todos mis años de leer comentarios random en Internet, y sí, parece que siempre se desarrolla igual xd
@@elqueobserva7663 si jaja. En Celso "sobre la doctrina verdadera" y en Orígenes de Alejandría "Contra Celso" se encuentran el 90% de todos las discusiones posibles sobre el tema del cristianismo como culto y sobre su racionalidad. En "sobre los Académicos" de Agustín de Hipona y en el "sobre los académicos" de Cicerón se encuentran las posturas escéptica vs dogmática de nuevo 90% desarrollada.
@@FranciscoCastillo-ot9ib
Oh chale, yo nomás hablaba de discusiones de randoms de internet xd
Pero suena interesante lo que dices, tal vez los cheque alguna vez
Average religion debate, if you tell an atheist you believe in reglion, they will say it's stupid, if you tell a Christian you're atheist, they will say it's stupid (not everyone does it but I can count quite the number of people who've done it)
I personally regard Atheism as being stupid, but I don't believe that every Atheist lacks intelligence. People like Richard Dawkins are many things, but "simple-minded" is not one of them.
As a Christian, the amount of times I see this happening in both sides is actually concerning😭🙏🏾
As a Christian, the amount of times I see this happening in both sides is actually concerning😭🙏🏾
I am an atheist myself but holy shit I envy that christian's roasting abilities
Great video as always, and yet again I wonder how the hell you manage to find these people
would you say you... covet that skill 😎
He's been to Hell in visions so many times he's come back with the ability to spit pure fire and venom! XD
That Christian would absolutely hate me (I’m a satanist) because all I would do is question their hatred and question their own religion being contradicted constantly
@@akiriathorsteinson7611 Wow, the edge on your intellect is already cutting through my poor arguments
@@akiriathorsteinson7611.. A theistic satanist? Or athiestic?
Volkeh and Magniloquence arguing felt like Volkeh had to fight an opposing clone of himself
A true spectacle
Gollum won the argument.
Plot twist: Smeagol won the argument in the end.
That last analysis about prayers was pretty interesting, too bad the Christian didn’t care about it. I do also say a lot of prayers when I feel out of control and it’s pretty much instinct at this point. I don’t know if it should be changed but I don’t see any downside to it as long as you don’t start believing you can actually change stuff. That would be delusional lol.
I do have to learn more about Nihilism because from what it seems, I have also misunderstood the philosophy all my life, probably because of memes and stuff.
Great video as always.
personally I think instances of "sparkling despair" are examples of how praying to God is in our nature. you know, sort of the opposite of what FC claimed about it.
@@christopherbravo1813 If that were true, wouldn’t every human would pray to god in those moments? Like, even babies would resort to praying to god in hope for a god, but that’s not what happens, they are more prone to call for their parents in situations they feel they have no control over, because in the sparkling despair we want someone or something to save us, usually someone we think has the ability to help us. In the case of kids or people who grew without religion in their life, they resort to the ones they feel are above them in terms of “power”, as in the ability to control situations.
I personally don’t believe in god but I still think it can make people have a bit more hope in their life if they need it. I’m not trying to disprove his existence with this argument either, I just want to expand on the argument you made and get a better perspective of what you mean.
@@arccanyne9097 you said it yourself. a lot of people grew up without religion. there are also plenty of people who do not believe despite being exposed to God and the Bible throughout their lives. thus, when they "pray" out of desperation, they substitute the God they were created to worship but either do not know or do not believe in with something they *do* know or *do* believe in.
Of course the atheist has read and references Marcus Aurelius ☠ A man who built his philosophies on the polytheistic basis of his realm - those two couldn't be further apart if they tried.
"Of course the atheist has read and references Marcus Aurelius" is that some type of trope I am unaware of because I barely see this happen with any atheist channel I have watch and speaking as an atheist myself
@@miguelatkinson Not with marcus specifically but its common practice for some atheists to bring up...lets say thomas paine and use him as a bullet against believing in god, when he was a deist. Or einstein for another example, when he was a pantheist/deist.
As an Orthodox Christian, I believe that all religions have become conflated with nationalism and politics. When most people say they're religious, they aren't, they just support traditional ethno-centric values. If ppl were to actually look into these faiths, nationality, and in some cases conservatism and traditional values, have nothing to do with it. But we live in a world where archconservative racists like Volkeh and that one guy (whose username gives off SUPER condescending god complex vibes btw) call themselves Christian and give Christianity a bad name even though they have no idea what they're talking about, which deters people and creates atheists like that other guy, who want nothing to do with religion at all, to the point of vehemently hating it. And the cycle of hatred continues.
Edit: Also ive been having fun counting how many big words were used this video. Lost count abt halfway through
Umm well necessary not untrue with people like volkeh that's not the only reason why people turn atheist and also not all atheists are antitheists as the two get confused with one another for me and other most atheists it's mostly philosophical and intellectual reasons to why became an atheist
@@miguelatkinson yeah agreed there are other reasons, I was just putting the video in context yk?
@@tonyg9775 cool
Yeah it’s always kinda weird to see ethnocentric religious people of missionary religions. You can’t worship both god and your tribe. It’s contradictory
@@badart3204 Exactly
I think this was one of your best videos so far
"The right level of toxicity to "tickle my balls" in the most strictly figurative sense." never change 😂
"gollum own the argument" is the only thing keeping me same during this debate
Welp, today I decided to waste about 2 hours to make a sound track for this video that almost nobody is going to read.
01) 00:12 - 00:44 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Investigation ~ Core
02) 00:44 - 01:19 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations, Trial
03) 01:24 - 01:52 ; Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Pursuit
04) 01:52 - 01:56 ; Earthbound - Sanctuary Guardian (The famous "WHAT?" meme)
05) 01:57 - 02:14 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations, Luke Atmey
06) 02:25 - 02:59 ; (Same as above, continues)
XX) 03:03 ; Gollum won the argument.
07) 03:07 - 03:28 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Recollection ~ SL-9 Incident
08) 03:35 - 05:46 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All, Pursuit
09) 05:54 - 08:25 ; Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, Confrontation ~ Allegro
XX) 09:00 ; Gollum won the argument.
10) 09:03 - 10:00 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice, Pursuit
11) 10:43 - 11:52 ; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Valley of Spirits (Celestial Hall)
12) 12:02 - 12:34 ; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, M.O.D.O.K. Battle
13) 12:38 - 13:15 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All, Berry Big Circus
14) 13:26 - 14:00 ; MySims Agents, Evelyn's House
15) 15:30 - 18:03 ; Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Mephisto's Realm (The Gates of Hell)
16) 18:09 - 19:31 ; Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Zacharias Barnham ~ The Sword of Labyrinthia
17) 19:42 - 20:13 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All, Recollection ~ Scars Etched by Flame
18) 20:25 - 22:30 ; Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations, Questioning ~ Allegro
XX) 22:41 ; Sméagol won the argument.
Good job bro.
@@polyman6859 Thanks!
I needed this, so thank you.
@@veryveryberry Glad this actually helped someone
You do this for *every video?*
I should scroll down to the bottom of these comments sections more often. You're *very* underrated.
Once i saw Volkeh on the screen i stood up to get a drink, i understood the type of video it was gonna be.
I hope that one day; One Mouth, One Meal joins a server with the main group and slowly turns into someone as agressive as Maniloquence. The seeds are already there. >B:)
Also, this one didn't disappoint. Seeing someone who can actually fight with Volkeh for a while before they start spouting gibberish is fascinating. Given the character they're represented with, I wonder what would a hypothetical interaction with Bowl play out.
I see the discord stickers are finally making a debut. Excellent video.
16:30 A perception of nihilism that isn't a strawman or toxic ? Is that allowed on internet? What a pleasant surprise.
14:00
"sometimes I wonder why you guys don't just kill yourselves and take a break trying yo run from hell"
Yeh...you know I was kinda liking this guy but err...After that I don't think it can ever be the same.
same
I think he said that both because he looked down on athiests but also because he thought that atheistic values are depressing.
@@nuetralkitty58 I mean, is the latter not so? To be an Atheist is to believe that we are the result of a cosmic roll of the dice, and that there is no reality beyond our own.
@@christopherbravo1813 Yeah that's how I feel as well
@@nuetralkitty58 So we agree, then?
As agitating as Magni could be, OMOM is the epitome of "There's no hate like Christian love."
This is why you don't bring religion up in conversation. Everyone turns their brains off and ceases logical thought because, as was stated in a previous video, beliefs are not flexible. If you believe something, you know it to be true, and thus you know others who believe something else to be false and want to save them from their "stupidity."
reminds me of a joke made by a romanian comedian, roughly translates to “because they don’t *know* it, they *believe* it. And you don’t make fun of what people believe, right? Because a person who knows something will contradict you, but if they believe it, they’re gonna kill you!”
@endernightblade1958 And oh if that ain't the truth of it, especially with religious zealots. They don't even have to be Christian, but Christianity is the dominant religion globally, so they're gonna be the majority.
Think the flexibility of the belief, depends a lot on why you believe on something.
If you believe in something because you think it's the absolute truth, then nothing will convince you otherwise.
But if you believe in something for no other reason than because it **seems** convincing to you, then at least you are open to change your stance the moment you find something even more persuasive.
@@zettovii1367 It has been argued before on this channel that such a stance is not truly ardent belief. It is still a stance, and it can be based on available information or how you were taught, but lack of conviction keeps it from being a proper belief.
That conviction is definitely why OMOM and Magni got so toxic at each other for being opposites. One sees the other as a deluded, misinformed fool who bases his life around a fictitious deity, unwilling to comprehend the good that religion has brought, but the other sees one as a wretched, rebellious child who is condemning himself to eternal torment and pain, ignoring the evils that religion has taken part of.
Both believe so strongly that flexibility was never an option. They are right, and damn you for thinking other wise.
'There's not hate like Christian love' is a generalisation that cannot be called anything but toxic. Implying something so immensely complex and deeply rooted as Christian love to be worse above all hatred is a horrible thing to do. It spits in the face of all people who ever embraced love in the Christian sense, it spits in the face of those who recognise the complexity of love. It's a horrible quote.
showing these usually boring and meaningless debates in the form of ace attorney is the most entertaining thing ever
You have to be a special kind of crazy when you make Volkeh into the moderate between the two of you.
i like how from 12:16 to 13:18 they’re just absolutely losing it
Volkeh in the first 2 minutes....
This is going to be a wild ride
I find these videos just as funny now as when I first started watching them. Ty for still making hilarious content.
Volkeh definitely feels like the type of fella who thinks the Joker is a relatable and ideal character.
Faux Cares: "But you'll give me attention, won't you, bb?" Volkeh: "No." *Proceeds to go on a tirade against you, contradicting his very first word in response*
Congrats, Volkeh, you played yourself.
Volkeh has risen above and become a legend... The legend that we (don't) fear: The Legendary Super Edgelord!
Sounds like a story that monkeys spread around the campfire like it was their own dungs.
Their battle will be legendary
15:41 It's strange because being all these things comes from a person's morals, not religion. I've seen "christians" doing awful stuff, and it doesn't go only country wise. True Christianity doesn't want to go "hey you go to hell" as it goes against their own doctrines.
Volkeh has a point about churches being corrupt (although he doesn't explain how, and doubt that he would do), it has not only happened recently, but from past eras, again, it comes more as morality or how humans can be easily swayed when they don't have much knowledge. A case very known in my country (Brazil) is about how the churches were preaching to vote on one candidate, despite him being *completely* against every point from said religion, and posted several fake news demoralizing the oponent. Again, this comes from the already existent or made-up morals.
(Mind you I don't follow religion despite growing in a Catholic family, but being more open-minded helps to understand things more easily.)
By the way FC, good vid.
Religion and morality are brothers. You really don't get one without the other. Evil morals produce an evil religion to match.
Well, I've watched afterlife video, where I saw how a CIVILIZED, respectful and intellectual discussion between a christian and an atheist should be like it, now let's do the complete OPPOSITE
Care to tell me how to best find that, then?
The argument was originally on discord, what'd you expect?
@@crazyluigi6664 "afterlife - what's the point"
It's still a french baguette video, from 3rd of december last year
@@floricel_112 Oh yeah, I did see that one! Need to watch it again now.
I've honestly seen better intellectual discussions before.
and this is why we don't argue about religion kiddos
No, this is why we DO argue about religion, its entertaining and challenging, and it improves your beliefs
@@buycraft911miner2we also don't because it's migraine inducing and more often than not a waste of everyone's time.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 there is merit in trying to solve a question to which there is no consensus. And it doesnt have to be annoying, if both sides arent trying to insult the other.
@@buycraft911miner2 I only argue with People who I feel like want a debate.
As I don't have problems with what other People believe in as long as They aren't doing harm to anyone with those beliefs.
@@buycraft911miner2 I agree, however the likelihood of finding a religious debate that isn't seething venom and vitriol is about as hard as finding civil discourse online in general.
I almost passed out from laughter when Volkeh genuinely called you a beta cuck
You're always so well spoken and articulate in these, it's honestly impressive and something I really wish I had lol
Ah yes, Reddit: Civil war.
I never thought I’d hear the words “Spider-Man pretends to be a god” this morning. Life is full of surprises.
No one knows with certainty what is on the other side of life. I find hardcore atheists to be just as annoying as hard core Christians.
Life your life according to your morals. We’ll all get the answer eventually.
Agreed.
I can't agree with you on the last statement. Every person's morals are a political force to be reckoned with and thus it concerns other people's lives
@@bluestrategist9aby540 That’s what it means to live in a society. We used to live with like minded people. Now any screwed up behavior must be accepted and promoted.
All the more reason that a single federal government shouldn’t exist. Let states/communities do their own thing. Then you go to live in the one you want and leave the others the hell alone.
@@derkatwork33 So isolationism?
@@derkatwork33 mmmm, i don't know, the EU helped making a lot of things easier
Very late but if i were to ever meet OMOM, one question id have for them is this:
"Is he God because he performs righteous acts, or are his acts righteous because he is God?"
People who use God as an excuse to perform horrendous acts tend to fall into the latter category as God in of himself is justification.
I bring this up as a counter to the claims of God being "objective". In the 1800s, both sides for snd against slavery used the Bible and claimed God for justification.
Point is, even the most die hard christians have their own personal perceotions of "God", thats why we have sect. God is if anything extremely subjective but masquerades as objevtivity because of his all knowing status.
i see your point here but i think i can have an answer, so basically God being who he is , is the most important thing in existence, however despite his attribute , we do not see the face of God , who he is but we rather see what he is , the argument beetwen the abramic faiths is about the face of God , like with the pro and against slavery , so i would say that God is still the truth , but the truth is hidden (hence divine hiddeness )
I love how everyone here is extreme, to the point of it being a contest of who is the most controversial.
You have not *see* a controversial Christian. Take it from a guy who has personally debated *two.*
In conclusion, Spider-Man dialogue *is* god.
I wonder if Volkeh watches these videos...
measuring Volkeh's height with his cellphone lmao
Man you had such a beautiful ending argument and Father Discord really said "TL;DR. Thoughts and prayers.❤"
It's really a shame that some atheists just reject reading the Bible just because it's the Bible, though. I'm an atheist and I'm actually rather enjoying listening to it. It's got a lot of cool ideas and it can help build a bridge between atheists and Christians so we can come to a middle ground of understanding rather than just hurling insults at each other.
it would be nice if we could come to understand each other better, yeah.
I just started the video, the racial slurs guy is a CHRISTIAN???
I can’t say I’m shocked particularly seeing as my Christian family acts similarly to him, without the 4chan memes - however, this is not meant to be a blow against Christianity, just a blow against my family
I know this is the exact opposite of the intended effect, but I'm always more drawn to an FBI video when I see Volkeh in the thumbnail.
EDIT-Honestly, Volkeh was actually funny for a good reason in this video.
12:29 that is a TRULY hyperspecific threat right there. I should try it when I get Twitter.
The fact that he had a photo evidence and was willing to put the effort to measure him using a phone makes it even better.
@@linkolek exactly. I LOVED how unnecessarily HUMOROUS this video was.
I don't think Mouth Meal understands that like... Christianity and Nihilism don't have to be exclusive from each other, yeah?
If everything is going according to God's script, and nobody except for a deity we can't directly contact has _any_ idea what that script looks like, then what's stopping you from doing whatever? If it's all predetermined, you might as well make your own plans instead of just lying on the floor waiting for whatever to happen. Have some fun while you're part of this world, live the life He gave you instead of wasting it.
It was honestly surprising to hear him not understand the basics of nihilism. I was taught about such in Sunday school. We had arguments about predestination along side nihilism. About if we had any choice in our actions or if we were just stuck following a script. We ended the talk on that God decides who does believe in him and is a Christian and decides who doesn't or God can see how every decision and see the butterfly affect of that decision.
@@alaina4070 My belief is more akin to the latter. God gave us free will for a reason. He knows what choices we will make, yes, but He doesn't make the decisions for us. I'm not who I am because I am forced to be. My own choices and those of everyone around me are the reason why I am the person I am today.
That is some sweet toxicity, I hope I never interact with these people, I'm worried I'll lose what little faith I have in humanity if I did. Thanks for showing us these clowns though very entertaining although I'm surprised these guys felt like they were giving Volkeh a run for his money this time.