FUNNY NOTE!!! 1. This is not covering all Disciplines, just a choice few relevant to proceedings. We'll cover others in the future. 2. For chronological purposes and to bring more import towards them, all Audiologs are now counted as Sub-Chapters. You can read more about this decision on our Patreon (for free).
"Relevent to proceedings" *I n t e r e s t I n g* Side note- I am absolutely down for the audiologs being subchapters. Frankly I'm baffled they haven't been sooner, they're phenomenal, and absolutely deserve to be
Audio logs being labeled as sub chapters really does make a lot of sense. You could kind of consider one or two to be fun side projects, but at this point more of them are crucial to the plot than not.
Which really highlights how incredibly dangerous speaking to him is, especially alone. Dominate doesn't strictly need direct eye contact, and during an interrogation it can be subtle enough that not even the most perceptive people may fail to notice it. Only if you were for one reason or another completely immune to such powers would you actually be able handle an individual like Kevin.
@@Stormalisk For a young vampire like him, it's unlikely he has more than one discipline that honed, and I don't think we've seen him use Auspex or Thaumaturgy, so he's probably got 4 or 5 dots in Dominate and a max of one or two in Auspex and Thaumaturgy. Hell, he could be one of those few Tremere who just doesn't end up honing the sorcerous side of things. The clan keeps that sort around because they provide other uses like investigators, researchers, archivists, or in Kevin's case, accountants; all fields where a deep understanding of the clan's signature skill is 'not required'.
My favorite part? Before, there was only one reasonable perspective: the deranged Big D talks big, and made a mistake, as the comedic relief. Now, with knowledge on his inner dialogue, and how terrifying Kevin’s power is, this leads to a more ambiguous or plausible deniability in who would’ve been more skilled in their best respects: Kevin, or Big D.
Making audiologs sub chapters was a great choice in my opinion. I imagine that many people didn't watch them because they thought they weren't important
@@jackmilman9576Probably beacuse they are si rewatchable. I personally have listened to the probing of Kevin and the police interrogation like 7 times each.
It might also be partially be Marckus overhearing Fatigue's advice on compartmentalising your problems, solving them bit by bit. And the most immediate bit right now is Fatigue's murderer.
"Only if they have a fascination with the carpathians mountains." And that is why I love OWoD lore. It's sound incredibly silly. That somehow the carpathians mountains grant heat ray vision to some vampires. And yet it's 100 % lore accurate.
@@sacktheargonian Buried under the Carpathian mountains is a demon that gives the Tzimisce their elemental magics which includes stuff like manipulation of fire.
@@sacktheargonian Kolduns. Tzimische sorcerers whose magic revolves around elements and manipulate their land. The carpathians also have a demon imprisonated there by the clan founder I guess?
@@chadhandfield3979 same reason dog cancer makes sense. The clan tzimisce or members of it made a deal with a big demon who is also an angle who was trapped under the mountain range by werewolves. Now the more interesting thing is it doesn’t give them heat vision it gives them the ability to project fire. So how much does D actually know. Some of its right other things are wrong.
@@sacktheargonian Under the carpathians lies a demon, or rather a fallen angel known as Kupala. One of the 13 clans of vampires, the Tzimisces (wich is also the clan from where Dracula came btw) made contact with this earthbound. The demon taught them a particuliar form of blood magic, know as Koldunic sorcery. This magic focus on the link the Tzimisces have with the land, their clan curse being that they need two handful of their native soil to rest properly. As such, Koldunic sorcery grant to Kolduns magic that is derived and influence the elements. One of the path of Koldunic sorcery if the Way of flame, who focus on fire. The first level of this way help a vampire to resist the innate fear vampire have of fire. The second level make their eyes glow and then make whatever they look at spontanously combust.
So to me this pretty much confirms Big D is aware Marckus is a mage, and he's very much terrified of his boy being tempted by these ballin Vampire powers instead of awakening. Either way, this is so good, dude.
The saddest part is that while he's right that Thaumaturgy is a pale imitation of far greater powers, that imitation is still far beyond anything most anyone will ever be able to wield. Anyone Embraced into Clan Tremere gains access to Thaumaturgy. Someone Awakening only happens perhaps once in one or ten million? With a population of seven billion, that's only around 700-7000 mortal Magi in the entire world. Even if you make it likelier by an order of magnitude, it's still a tiny amount of Magi. While yes, anyone can technically learn Linear Magic, or Sorcery, with great effort, it's also true that anyone and everyone can learn Thaumaturgy, all they need is Vitae.
Marckus isn't a mage, not in WoD terms at least (certainly not as of yet). D is aware that Marckus has a tendency to "ends justify the means" dangerous powers. I think this is more about him being afraid Marckus is going to get tempted into ghouldom (ghouls do get some minor discipline powers) or otherwise fall prey to manipulation from the big players in the shadows of the WoD with promises of higher power, without understanding the full consequences. He *could* of course turn out to be a mage at some point in the future, but no one is a mage until their Awakening, an event that is both absurdly rare and also completely unpredictable. it's not like werewolves where you have probability changes based on lineage. Awakening is not a thing you are destined to do based on raw potential or heritage or something, its a very specific event that can (theoretically) occur in anyone, but requires such a specific conflation of mindset and circumstance that it happens incredibly rarely. Plus, I can't see D actually *wanting* Marckus to turn out a mage. True magic in WoD has some big time hazards that D would not want to risk Marckus engaging in.
Alfabusa has done it again, props to you all. I'm pleasently surprised that Marckus took Door's words to heart and chose to focus on the problem at hand, let us hope this family drama ends better than their 40k-counterparts'. Marckus' Awakening is just right there, but poor D is scared shitless that his redhead son will forsake it for Vampirism. Also, poor Kitten is in the middle of it all, forced to hide things from Marckus too. That surely won't be a problem.
Well Magnus would never have taken that advice, and the Emperor may not have apologized. So as far as I can see here they have started evolving out of their Warhammer selves.
@@Novictus On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Dorn never even tried giving Magnus such an advice. Which makes this whole thing a giant 'what if' with very obvious parallels.
Between the Kevin shorts and what we learn of Dominate here, Kevin able to throw that power around so easily makes it understandable how he's survived multiple bloodhunts. He can literally scream "YOU DONT SEE THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN" and have it work.
And this is one of the reasons I vehemently oppose comparing HTP to TTS. Of all people, Door turned out to be the emotional glue that convinced Markus to step back and disengage, which in turn prevented this argument from becoming an ABSOLUTE F$CKING DISASTER - Which this *wasn't* , believe it or not. No one is happy with this, but they're putting it aside for the time being with the promise to discuss it later, and that's kind of the BEST OUTCOME two people with fundamentally opposing and mutually exclusive viewpoints could come to in a situation with this number of corpses (which is any number at all, really). The worst part is you really can see where Markus and Dee are both coming from, but what they want are absolutely irreconcilable. One of them has to break.
I REALLY like Door's writing in this. As a father himself, he has an easier time relating to his own father. And in Boy's audiolog, at the end, when discussing his fears with D, the little voice crack when he talks about being afraid. God, what a wonderful series.
I found it interesting is when D was going off on Markus (the “I’m your better” which he admits he went “too far”) the live chat instinctively went “there’s the emperor”. Kinda implying that people see Emps as a dark side of D
The complexity around Marcus makes me SO EXCITED Because D kind of.. Was being honest. But I don't think D thinks he's a better hunter than Markus, but that Markus is not prepared. And everytime we see Markus gain info on hunting, man goes INSANELY excited and thinks he can guess/know everything from there. Which makes sense, since being in this world from a young age, he's always known more than the average person. Which is why D is especially loathe to share info with him. Compare and contrast, D has always been happy to share info with Kitten, who's always reacted to more info with an "Oh *god* we know absolutely nothing" and thus handles any knowledge given to him with care and deliberateness. I cannot wait to see more, and am also very proud of Markus for walking away before things started to hurt more
@@ForeverinmyownWorld1 D already voiced his thoughts on Markus to Kitten: the loves him, thinks the world of him and sees great potential in him to eventually become the greatest of all of them. The problem is, HE DIDN'T TELL THAT TO MARKUS! THE ONE PERSON WHO *NEEDS* TO HEAR HE'S VALUED AND APPRECIATED!
@floricel_112 I feel like D fears that if Marckus did hear that, he'd let it get to his head and make him even more reckless than he already was, so he'd prefer to keep Marckus humble. Except, of course, it's kinda backfiring.
This. This describes it perfectly I think. Parents always want to do whats best for their children because they have experience that the child doesn’t have. But it can often backfire and lead them down a path they wanted them to avoid. Father knows best, after all.
My biggest thought that D is hesistant to share with Markus is his cockiness. Markus IS brilliant, talented, etc. But that also gives him an ego and thinking he's always a step ahead, and if it does go wrong it's not his fault he was just given bad information. The stake vest is the perfect example of this. Markus is so confident that he setup this ambush and gambled EVERYTHING on it. That he would coax the vampire into grabbing him, that at least ONE of the stakes would impale his heart and not miss, etc. He was so high on the 'I'm so clever'ness that he managed to stake the vampire more by luck than skill and just played it as 'Everything according to plan.' Now take that attitude and inform him of the existance of, say, independant ghouls. Say Markus, did you know you can stake vampires and drink their blood to give yourself super powers? Markus would ABSOLUTELY attempt this because he's confident he's clever enough to get around any pitfalls related to it. He's too careful and smart to end up blood bonded, he's too good to allow the vamp to escape, etc. I feel D recognizes this which is why he gets so defensive anytime Markus shows the slightest interest in the up sides of vampirism, because he's reckless enough to jump straight in without thinking about the consequences believing himself to be able to handle it if anything did arise.
Played once in a group of elder vampires. one of us had "obfuscate" allmost maxed out. His character was pretty easy to spook would allways obfuscate to hid immitatly when scared. one time we scared him so badly he used 8 level obfuscate power. We forgot him and the entire building block behind him. We read later about it in the news...
Love the idea of a horribly powerful vampire that by any mortal means is akin to a demigod, being so chickenshit that he would rather the world forget him.
@@Stage-Fryte Pretty sure it's canon advanced Obsfucate users grow increasingly paranoid. One of the more common delusions is that they become convinced there are other invisible and even more powerful creatures watching them all the time.
@@Voice_of_p That conjures images of this really skittish vampire walking down the street, when suddenly a rat squeaks nearby and he just lets out a giant magical fart cloud that causes everyone in a ten thousand mile radius to forget he even exists.
Ah, the beautiful drama and amazing writing of "for the love of god just have an honest conversation with each other". All Dee has to do is say "i am mortally terrified that you may one day choose to become a vampire", but that kind of vulnerability is simply anathema.
Plus also I do feel telling one of your kids that you are afraid they are easy to dupe or trick, to be something they grew up to hate. It is like telling your kid "Hey I am afraid you will become a serial killer" when they have little amount of friends, it just feels insulting to the person, even if the parent has a good reason to be nervous. So while D should be honest, being too honest can be even more hurtful then the lies or walking around it for who knows how long.
Here's a thought: Marckus was smart enough to recognize that Pyotor making his dad deathly afraid was reason enough to take the matter seriously. By that same metric it might be good for D to openly show how afraid he is for Marckus. In fact, *every* time someone mentions being truly afraid of the supernatural tends to be sobering.
Yes, but his course of action immediately afterwards was to try and jump out of a window in the dark and immediately shattered both of his ankles as a result. This is a reoccuring theme with Marckus. He can come up with smart, even brilliant ideas, but his recklessness and hubris makes them backfire badly on him. We can also see examples of this in Episode 1, where he basically gambled his entire life on one of the stakes in his stake jacket accidentally stabbing Ape Boy in the heart when he was about to be bitten, and in the Pub Audiologue where he makes the mistake of thinking he has beaten Brok and ends up tipping his hand too early when it came to the drinking contest.
I'm surprised how many people reference TFS here, though I guess now that I think about it, their works and Alfabusa's share a lot more in common than you'd gleam from the surface.
Glad to see Markus taking his brother's advice and at least focusing on the task at hand rather than creating more rifts between him and D. He definitely is better at it than his 40k counter part.
That is yet to be seen, really. I sense a reckoning coming for Markus where he will likely have to make some big choices, that will have consequences beyond the situations to come. Deals struck, or sacrifices made, most likely. I am certain that whichever paths he chooses, he will never be the same man as before. Maybe something greater... or something that has sunk low and paid a terrible price.
I love that they gave THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN (wettsworth) the respect he deserves, just the small mention of how powerful a creature they were actually facing and the realization dawning on Marckus and Kitten were so so satisfying. Also thank you for this gratious gift of more of these amazing characters, I only need to hear a little bit more every time
I honestly forgot that Mass Manipulation (the dominate level that lets you influence small groups instead of individuals) is literally a fifth level discipline in V5 (it was even higher originally but all indication has generally been that HtP essentially operates off of the V5 ruleset unless otherwise stated) Which has some serious implications about Kevin's powerset, namely that he could probably either rewrite entire swathes of memories or implant post-hypnotic suggestions into people's minds if he cared to. It also gives context to the fact that he's basically psychically dominating the entire Norfolk police department. Honestly would probably be pretty terrifying if he wasn't on our side.
@ the most terrifying part is that his sire and the regent of north Norfolk are clearly stated to be even more powerful. We’ll see how our heroes fare when the time comes
@@DaBlueIghuana I think the power-dynamic comes more from another fact - I'm still sure that Kevin never got to learn more than the most basic powers of Blood Sorcery. While the Regent and Kevin's sire likely are highly skilled in Dominate AND Blood Sorcery. (we've never seen Kevin use any instance of Sorcery, only Dominate) In game terms, Kevin might have Dominate level 5, but his sire and the regent likely have all of the Tremere-disciplines (Blood Sorcery, Dominate and Auspex) at level 4-5. Additionally to high Blood Potency-levels due to their generations, which makes their use of disciplines even more dangerous than Kevin's.
@ what I meant written out in more nuance, but I’m also sure that those two are also more experienced in the use of their disciplines and where they might or might not work.
@@manticore6963 Is it common for the spread to be that high? The current V5 Prince of Chicago has a skill line of 3 Dominate, 4 Fortitude and 3 Presence.
@PitPwny Oh, good question. It's been a long while since it's showed up. It's probably considered secondary, so it gets worked on between other stuff, but that's just a guess.
@@RolandTheJabberwocky iirc they're kinda doing stuff in phases. like we got the 3 (i think?) episodes of zero-viscosity and now we're in a phase for htp stuff, which'll probably be followed by more zero-viscosity and/or other projects. of course i could also be talking out of my ass so who knows.
@PitPwny HL:ZV didn't do as well as they would've liked, and while they eventually want to do more stuff with it, they decided to focus on H:TP for the time being.
@@personwhotalks2049 It isn't necessarily zero viscosity, but they will be changing shows after each arc as they described it. Might be something new entirely.
@@thebiggestboss4487Oh they definitely know, but the Tremere started spreading rumors shortly after Saulot was consumed that the clan was nothing more than masquerade flaunting degenerates who thought the Camarilla were a “bunch of nerds,” so obviously they’ve all been being blood hunted since the dark ages.
Big Ds frustration every time he hears discipline’s described in appealing manners. Oh boy I sense a tragedy befitting of Magnus racing towards Markus like a freight train. 💀
@@noneofyourbusiness2437I’m one hundred percent certain that Matilda Wilde is a werewolf and that door will fall in love with her, so that would be an interesting family dynamic. “Hey bro, back from fucking up our planet?” “Matilda pleeeeaaase…” “No. Fuck you.”
Imagine seeing a red version of yourself with nipple horns and chicken wings from an alternate universe. I’d be fucking scared shitless of whatever caused me to go down that road. On the other hand, VAMPIRE AUTOMATA AS STAND INS FOR RUBRICAE!
While obviously not as insane as Big-D, I respect why he wants to withhold this information. The more you think you're comfortable with Kindred power, the more you think you know what to expect, and the more you think you know what to expect the less you are prepared to deal with the unexpected. It's the Hunter's Paradox. The more you know the more you realize how little you knowledge goes to protecting you from disaster. But also, it's killing Markus on the inside... and something has to give.
The more you think you have control over something the more careless you get. And the more careless you get the more likely something is going to horribly wrong. And in the case of Vampirism, if something goes wrong there's no way to ever make it right.
Numbering the order of episodes was a huge positive change. makes rewatching and recommending to friend's a lot easier than saying "look up release order on the page"
Emphasis on Big-D and Marckus, in an emotionally intense situation... This is looking to be a palace of promises. Of dark, dark promises. I cannot watch the premiere, but i wish everybody a lot of fun. Thank you all for persisting with this series, and wish you all well, strength, joy and wisdom. Wherever you will be able to receive, find, make and share it.
The most predictable path, a road already taken, if without the horror lens that is World of Darkness: Markus the Redhead submits to more chaotic powers, and unwittingly becomes slave to some fate, all because of Big D’s inaction and stubbornness. But on this similar road, there’s a couple bumps to consider, things that might change that course: Last time, Rogal Dorn and the Captain-General weren’t able to be there for Magnus and Big E.
The worldbuilding is one thing, but mapping out a chapterhouse, an entire hunter house and so on as background dressing full of intricacies and love. It makes the colourful cast of characters so much more vibrant! (I'm referencing this as well as past entries)
Can we appreciate that Big D went out of his way to cover for kitten to hide the fact he's given him more information than he's given Marckus? I know it benefits him as well to hide that information, but I genuinely think he would have done it regardless to cover for his beloved son-in-law.
Wow, that last bit, though. . . When D was demanding Marcus submit to his judgment due to senority and strength level, I couldn't stop thinking: Isn't that the exact same logic vampires use? I am older and more powerful therefore I am always right? I mean, D isn't entirely wrong, and I know in his case it came from love and a desperate desire to keep his family safe, and he clearly knew he went too far, but. . . careful D, lest you create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
With how Big D described dominate, I feel like he is gonna be super pissed when he learns that Kevin has been using it just o get out of inconvinient situations
At first, I could see how Sir D could be wrong about Marcus’s curiosity since our red headed boyo started this strong minded, calm and laying out the facts. But then, with the blood magic… I could see how Marcus was wrong and Sir D was right, as Marcus got hyped and let his mental guard down in wanting to hear about the blood sorcery so vividly. Finding the middle ground in how’s and why’s is gonna be a tough one between our father and son.
Not to mention his overconfidence at being "built different" against Dominate discipline - which, as we could see from the very first episode, is just objectively incorrect. They were caught lacking once, they can absolutely get caught lacking again - and yet, that warning from Dr. Waters flies right over his head. Even if the apple does not fall far from the Big-Tree, can you blame D for deeming Marckus yet-unready and vulnerable?
Can’t help but feel this gives more credence to the idea that the doctor is the ghoul/vampire. It almost felt like she was trying to convince Markus that ghouls have cool powers as opposed to strictly informing him.
In the comments of Big D’s interview (interrogation) with Guy Chapman, someone also pointed out a few telltale signs that either brush by, or were dismissed as something else It looks like the good doctor is experiencing some withdrawal symptoms, at least near the start.
She is the quintessential Tremere ghoul when it comes to her skill sets. Tremere ghouls tend to be Tremere in training vs being throwaway slaves other clans use.
To be fair, these powers, when described normally and without considering the cost, just sound cool. Being able to warp minds, leap great heights, become invisible, and channel sorcerous power don't really need embellishment. Frankly, if he came out of that conversation believing that these powers are appealing, it would be less the fault of the doctor for assisting in describing them and more Big D's fault for not actually explaining and emphasizing the cost, regardless of his own desire to protect his son.
Also note that, when speaking of reading D's papers, then destroying them, she said "Orders are orders," but she didn't specify WHOSE orders she was following.
the question is if she's a ghoul for the treme, or for another. we know at minimum that the sabot had a person around. but in reality there is at least one other vampire faction.
Seeing father and son argue, while knowing both their perspectives..... I'm really hoping this doesn't end in some scenario where Markus makes a deal with a devil.
Honestly, I don't think he will. Marckus has already proven he thinks they're all monsters, and that he's denied them plenty of times before. He amired their power here, sure, but that is far different from coveting it.
Not to compare with 40K. But Magus had more problems than arrogance, naivety and a distant father. He also had brothers who either despised him, or were secretly screwing him over. H:TP has a way more supportive family structure. Which is always OP. Not to mention he has Kitten, a guy who will literally get in your face if you mistreat his man. And Horse of course!
Few things can make Kitten mad enough to angrily shout at somebody. Perhaps the way Big-D talked, being all like "I am better than you so you shall listen and obey" reminded him way too much of a certain social darwinist he's faced so recently...
With how vehemently he rejects the idea that blood sorcery is magic he might not be a wizard, but he could still be a mage
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As he said, there are much greater powers out there than what thaumaturgy can offer a being. Not just awakened Mages, but there are magics in the world that are beyond even Mages and Vampires to control or understand. There are things that go bump in the night, and there are things that the night dwellers fear beyond the light of day
He should just tell Marckus what the cooler shit is than vampire shit, to give them a safe alternative.
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@@mimszanadunstedt441 and have him go the reverse of getting seduced by vampirism? Hardly a better alternative. Even Mages have their dark sides (to use the Force analogy) that arent any less threatening or dangerous to humanity at large. I suggest you watch the Norfolk Wizard Game videos that have come up (the most recent one particularly) to see why it really isnt a better alternative to telling them nothing but what is relevant at hand
It really is tragic that for all of Big D's eloquence, he never quite has the words to just say what he's feeling. That he doesn't want to tell Markus these things because he knows his brilliant baby boy would want to learn more about such knowledge in order to better combat the creatures that utilize them. Not that such an endeavor isn't noble, neigh that what appears to be a line towards progress is deceptively but a crack leading to a mighty crevasse. The things Markus would need to do to learn more would be morally dubious at best, suicidal at worst, and with no conclusive end in sight without antagonizing heights of supernatural power that border on outright divinity. A TREADMILL OF SUFFERING UPON WHICH THAT HE IN HIS MANY YEARS OF SENIORITY IS BUT SEVERAL METERS AHEAD COMPARED TO THE KILOMETERS OF KNOWLEDGE THAT A HUNTER COULD COME UP AGAINST! Worse, though he'd trust the man with his life, he fears the spark of mankind's ingenuity could be too bright for Markus' own good, possibly leading him to consider extreme means if it could achieve extraordinary ends, and consideration is but the idea-seed of action. Big D is trying to use his experience to protect Markus from making mistakes in a profession where a single mistake has caused many to die young and the old to die violently. At the end of the day he's worried he won't be a good teacher. He's blessed with a prodigy of a child with such a thirst for knowledge that it's perfectly possible that the wisdom will be neglected. Worse, that there might be a day where he would genuinely have to answer "I don't know," and Markus would truly be on his own, without his father's guidance and protection, as a peer or even a superior that he as a father may well be powerless to help should something go terribly, horribly wrong.
I KNEW IT, that confirms it, Dr.Waters is the Ghoul, looking past the now obvious, the very fact that she knew about all the disciplines all along and did not mention it before is truly a dead give away.
@UnknownUser-ow5zb then what was she talking about when she was saying that considering Lord Fatigue's state that our culprit isn't a Ghoul? She had to have known if she is comparing Ghouls to Vampires she even mentions that Ghouls are limited in the power Ofuscate saying that their powers would only work if the user was completely still, no I believe what is going on is that she is trying to throw them off the scent by blaming it on it being a Vampire instead of a Ghoul, remember in the Ghoul episode where Big D mentions Droughts this is what she was able to pull off on Lord Fatigue.
Im so proud of markus and his choice to stop. that is huge and speaking from personal experience in my life right now this is making me rethink somthing going on in my real life atm. people are not perfect they are flawed and make mistakes but as long as we can come togther trust love and look out for each other we can work it out in time. thank you and everyone involved in this it is an absolute pleasure to watch
Not only a lore dump, but a family drama bomb too! Oh, this was amazingly well written, acted and animated! Introduced a friend to this series and he’s hooked, but this has me as ravenous as a blood starved vampire passing a blood bank!
Does Big D want Markus to become a mage? Instead of stating magic is bad, he focuses on how Thaumaturgy is a pale imitation of real magic. He seems oddly accepting of magic for a hunter.
Wanting to become one has nothing to do with it. If Markus is close to awakening, then even Big D will have a hard time stopping it. It would different if he didn’t involve the children in the supernatural at all, but since Markus regularly comes in contact with the the supernatural it would be only a matter of time until it happens.
@@lokensicarius9347 Not just that, but he quite literally cursed Brok when they went pubbing. He is like a spit of a distance away to awaken his true magic, and I feel like its going to be the next big episode, the gang being cornered into a position where he HAS to awaken.
@@lokensicarius9347 .... wonder if alfabusa is gonna make a twist. what if the 'tzeentch' he encounter is his avatar? the mages in their norfolk wizard game are encountering theri avatars but.... i get the imperssion they are also implying that mages are linking to eldritch horrors.
@@taddad2641 Well… they are. All mages must maintain balance and therefore contact between and with the metaphysical trinity. If Markus is really a mage, he seems to have awakened most similarly to Bill: by direct contact with a spirit of one of the trinity, most likely the Wyrm.
I am always astonished at the writing and performances of each individual VA in these, but the sheer, clean emotions in this episode are something else. You guys are making my days, whenever i am feeling tired or depressed. Please, whatever the future holds for you guys, never break this magnificent magical creation of yours. Thank you all, for existing and making these.
I wonder if they'll bring up the dementation discipline. I have a theory that Big-D intentionally keeps the Malkavians a secret because the Cobweb network could be too tempting for Marcus.
He literally already did, but the V5 version of it which instead of it's own discipline is a amalgamation discipline, you can see their clan logo when he talks about it
I am literally a single celled organism absorbing all of the lore and knowledge from these audiologs over the years and let me tell you I am now a evolved species. You guys just keep delivering, and delivering delicious episodes... Hell, I wouldn't even mind if the next upload was like a couple of months later, I'm already satisfied with these recent videos!!
@@arthenosthefirst8176 Likely specialized in it over other Tremere disciplines like Thaumaturgy or Auspex. Also, one scary thing to consider: the Regent and the Prince are likely even STRONGER.
@@Levyafan Admittedly the Regent probably isn’t better at him at Dominate specifically, though she may have gone for other specializations. What really makes her more dangerous than him on a personal level is that she’s going to not only have more Disciplines in general, she can probably afford setting enough Vitae points on metaphorical fire to spam such high level powers.
God D is absolutely terrified Marckus is gonna get Kevin to embrace him or that he’ll get found and embraced by some other tremere isn’t he? Auspex is a tremere in clan and Marckus’s aura is probably sparkling already
Tremere do tend to seek out those of scholarly and disciplined backgrounds. Then again they might avoid him because he has a tendency to be careless. Carelessness gets one killed in that world. Either at the hands of hunters, or rivals.
@@CountDVBif he tried to be embraced by Kevin then best case would be Kevin talking him down from the embrace. Worst case would be the refusal frustrating Marckus causing him to seek another Tremere or other vampire. But this is all assuming that he even tries it which is FAR from certain
@@CountDVB yeah, kevin had to be bullied and persuaded into just ghouling the policeman. i can't imagine the screeching he would do if Marckus tried to get him to embrace him
Can we give some love to Kitten? D has been so forthcoming to him, even at the expense of keeping his own children in the dark. Yet the moment D says that Markus is beneath him, Kitten stands up for his fiance. It would've been so easy for them have Kitten side with D about the safety of it, but because he loves Markus, he stops D.
Kitten's very much been standing up for Marckus on every occasion he could. Be it against a cracked-up vampire stomping his lover's face into the ground, or Sir-D expressing his distrust in his son's character, this usually meek softie stands full ten toes to defend his red-hairs fiance. Come to think of it, him being MAD at Big-D might be because the latter's talks about being "faster, stronger, and Marckus's better" reminded him a little bit too much of his recent encounter with the Sabbat...
20:00 SHE ALMOST SAID TREMERE... HOW DID SHE KNOW IT'S TREMERE WHO SENT THE GHOUL???!!!!! “We have a murderer loose in the house somewhere.” *muffled voice in the walls* “I’m not not here-real, ignore me me!”-the not-Great-Horned-Rat, probably.
What's so scary about this is how much Markus misses the point about what Big D is saying. Big D is making it pretty clear, at least to me, that blood magic is nothing more than a Temu version of real magic and nothing worth having. Yet Markus got from it was that is was like Occum's Celtic Magic. Then when he hears about all the abilities it can provide you and gets even more excited I felt my heart sink. He's getting all the wrong things from what he is being told. And I get it. His interest is purely academic, the excitement comes from a love of learning, and he doesn't yet understand the full implications of blood magic. But it is disturbing how nonchalant he is about it after hearing so much about Big D's warnings. This isn't like learning about chemistry or physics where they are constrained by the rules of nature. This is powerful dark sorcery. A force far greater than any one man, even if he is a great mage, can ever truly understand. To treat it so casually is asking for trouble. Even real magic isn't something to be taken lightly; less we get ourselves killed like two monkey's banging rocks together because the sparks they make are pretty and triggering a forest fire. Given what we know about Markus' impulsivity and flaw about not thinking things through it's no wonder why Big D is afraid to tell him anything. He's smart enough to get himself in trouble; and the trouble that comes with messing with magics can be devastating. The fact he managed to get away from whatever 'Entity' he summoned as a child was miracle; but no one's gets a miracle twice. Yet, if he doesn't Markus will never learn and will be more likely to fall prey to these evil forces; something he is probably very much aware of. It's a real catch-22.
Big D never explains why it's wrong, inferior or dangerous. He just says it is and expects Markus to believe without actually making him understand why. That's a terrible way to teach anyone.
I have to say, I love that these audio logs allow for more lore and character building at a faster pace while waiting for the high quality HTP animations!
I think it’s really cool how you’re able to teach people the ins and outs of WoD while also telling a story at the same time! Not only is it wonderfully written, but I’m also picking up more ways to spice things up at the table! Thank you so much for this series!
I believe, in this, D has surpassed the emperor of TTS. While there have been snippets of an all-encompassing fatherhood theme both in prior episodes of H:TP and TTS alike. Nothing compares to the desperate anger expressed by D. As a true father, afraid to be to harsh but feeling forced to do so. In a few phrases, this has surpassed everything this channel has ever posted.
The possibility of using Vicissitude to make Space Ripper Stingy Eyes never occurred to me and I will absolutely be doing that next time I play a Tzimice.
So, just something to keep in mind… The levels of power Ghouls have access to are dependent on the generation of their master. The Ghouls of Vampires from the 13th-8th generations are limited to a maximum discipline level of 1, which then increases from then on. 7th generation Ghouls (Ghouls of The Regent for example) would have maximum discipline level of 2 to tap into, while 6th generation ones (Ghouls of The Prince themselves) would have level 3 Disciplines to potentially tap into. Meaning that if this is a Ghoul of The Regent or even The Prince themselves, then the rest of the group is going to be in for a rough time. Also relevant, is that A: Ghouls are immune to Delirium (meaning that if Spit IS a werewolf, then his transformation wouldn’t affect them like it would others), and B: A Ghoul can ALWAYS potentially tap into the disciplines of Celerity, Fortitude, and Potence, the prior 2 of which aren’t covered in this video (meaning that the Ghoul could also have some level of Superhuman speed and/or durability.)
I still feel the doctor is the ghoul, her enthusiasm for dominate aligns with the illusion she could have cast of occam while checking his pulse. Also had access to sanctum.
The fact that Markus has so far spent the past 8 months of real time literally covered in so many bandages that he looks like a mummy from a shitty horror movie from the 50's is unfathomably hilarious to me. Edit: 5:47 Cocaine Embolism Recovery LMAO
4:50 You know, I am not surprised the main person who bothered reading D's work is the person who likes South American Coca Leaf as much as he likes South American Ayahuasca.
My husband and I love this so much but we crave mooore! Lol we literally had a baby in between the time of the last chapter house episode. Shes now 2 months old watching it in between us on the bed confused but happy 😂😂 she especially got a kick out of our anguish when it ended, why is your content so good??? Its never enough for us, we are so excited for the next video you post!
Surely there were other videos you could have watched? I mean, having a baby seems like a pretty severe reaction to having a spare 30 mins free over the space of a few months.
"This is the most honest thing you've said to me in a very long time" hits hard and painful once you realise that this is likely what Marckus thought anyway: that the reason D kept him in the dark was because he was deemed inferior.
@@Murmarine Oh yeah, that's true. Especially when he suspects something when Kitten says something he wouldn't have known (though D's cover excuse seems to have worked), and he was flabbergasted at the "goodness gracious" - perhaps wondering if his 'luv' is in on something.
such an amazingly tense episode. not knowing a lot of the lore of the setting, im learning about it through the information we are given in this series. the mystery and horror of it all is absolutely spellbinding! i cant wait to learn more
14:44 SO, to clarify, Kevin’s _minimum_ Discipline Level would have to be 7 to control multiple people. Here’s a list of Dominate powers of that level, pre-V5: Chain of Command: Should a target be made unable to obey one of your Dominate command the effect will be passed to one who can Command the Legion/Mass Manipulation: You can use Dominate on small groups at once Dynastic Power: Control mortal descendants and implant suggestions using just a name or picture of the target Repression of the Obvious: Learn a thought the target is repressing and make them blurt it out Still the Mortal Flesh: Shut down the body functions of a target Strings of the Marionette: Force a vampire to obey your commands even when staked or in torpor Tyrant's Gaze: Reduce the Attributes of a target with a look And keep in mind that A: Kevin would still have access to powers from lower levels on top of the above, and B, there’s a chance he’s actually capable of tapping into, or eventually learning to tap into, higher discipline level powers (which is where Dominate can start to be used over longer ranges.)
My guess is that Spits is a werewolf but did not kill the hunter but was framed by the vampire because he was sent to reveal info about werewolves. Since vampires want hunters to fight werewolves in order to give them "breathing" room, then framing one would be a great distraction.
The problem is werewolves have to be *very* skilled to transform without damaging their clothes. Spit is still wearing the guard uniform. And him being freaked out doesn't seem to give credence to him being an expierienced werewolf
Nah my guess he did kill fatigue but was coaxed into it. Spit i think might been an unnaturally late bloomer in terms of the werebeasts. Him not having his 'ridalin' in part. I think that in fact he got his ridalin from the 99p store..... and they were planning on giving D 'special medicine'. my guess they have been tainting the medicine with vitae, maybe to control people, maybe to push profits with addictions. Could be it fucked with his werewolf nature. spit's strong of will though, suprisingly, and has been holding back the beast. .... the ghoul may have raelized what he was and coaxed the beast out, but could only do so temporarily and so much. spit killed fatigue, but didn't fully transform, which his why his uniform is intact. there is a stage between the human and war form and as loose as his clothes are he'd be able to go to mid form and back withuot destroying his cloths. he managed to regain control. .... my guess the ghoul has been just really fuckign still in the chapter house or something. though it would mean the ghoul isn't a tremere if he's invisible.
Dang, that was like passing a kidney stone: grueling and akin to torture trying to get it out, but it comes with a sense of great relief once it's out. Well done. I appreciate your writing for this, and I'm eager to see how the rest of this chapter pans out.
While i had been devastated at the loss of tts having grown up with it as my literally first intro for 40k . This is magic pure art, divinely inspired and writen so well i can not fathom a world without it. I rarely comment but HTP has been my favorite show in ages sitting up there with gurren lagann. Keep it up man you guy's rock! Adding an edit to of course mention the mage live play god I can't get enough!!!
I really love how lore dumping in this series has been, with it genuinely being relevant to all the characters in each scenario and just the tension in this one with D trying to reveal just enough but not too much to entice Marckus is so tense and amazing. I feel like the direction where this expanding family drama is heading is more than likely going to be disastrous, but hopefully mitigated heavily because of Marckus taking Door's advice. We still have 2 more chapters to go and we're more than likely nowhere near the true low point. And one last thing, love this series to death, has gotten me waaaaaaay to fascinated about WoD and I desperately need that itch scratched. So thanks and how dare you inflict this thirst for knowledge on me
@@jakeg-shep Nothing being said, just noise. It is the audio that plays when a player uses obfuscate in the 2004 game Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.
While I can see both Markus and D's side of the argument, but I can't help think that Markus would be one those people who would go on forums and brag about how he would've used the Ring in Lord of the Rings without being corrupted.
One thing no one has asked: why is skinny what’s his face still alive? A man was either torn to shreds or exploded yet he is left in one piece and the room suffered minimal damage. Whatever was done had to be extremely concentrated and was meant to draw them to that room. It’s the only reason to leave a person unharmed and confused. I suspect a form of obfuscation.
@ possibly. We have to assume that the ghoul and a vampire are both on the premises. The ghoul has to either be Spit, one of the staff, or Grimmel based on proximity and their access to areas of the building (air ducts and the security room). The vampire has to have been waiting inside the building waiting for a time to confuse the others, possibly in an effort to gain something inside the building… is it possible that the vault/safe wasn’t empty but already occupied by someone matching or someone?
If you would like, there _is_ another damning theory I can say. I’d say it sounds about right, so though it isn’t confirmed yet, I’m calling it spoilers-using-foreshadowing.
_D’ah,_ whatever, someone else said it so I may as well add details. The first clue is Lord Fatigue’s specialty: “Scholar of Lycanthropy Lore.” We can gather many things outside of this: Fatigue was a hunter worth his salt, going by word of mouth, he’s charismatic and comforting, like a therapist…and he’s an old man in a business with high casualties, so it’s even less likely he’s here by luck - He has an excellent handle on his skillset. The second clue is in some of the backgrounds of Episode 4, around places where Spit seems to have been: Scratch marks etched into the wood, most apparent surrounding Spit when he’s freaking out, before being approached by our Lycanthrope expert. One last clue that isn’t needed, but fits right in with a description offered by Big D during the breakfast episode… “The Delirium,” a supernatural stress that takes hold of the average person who witnesses one of these primal warriors’ transformations. It can drive one mad, thrust them into desperate, frenzied attacks… Or something more likely, judging by the screams - overwhelming witnesses with fear alone, absolutely terrified into flight, or just paralysis. The next mysteries are who would be smart - no, _sapient_ enough to lock some poor sod in a closet before the shindig went down? What could even cause a werewolf to transform, other than a possible botch from Fatigue? If this scene wasn’t made by mistake…then why?
At some point, Markus is going to learn about Horse and his untoward plans and how Big D's beloved bus transport will be ruined. Markus won't be able to get through on the telephone line and in a panic ingests a little vampire blood to break through the bus's intercom system to warn Big D...ruining the bus via magic short circuit anyway. Big D will be incensed and say if he wants forgiveness Markus will have to delete his contact list on team fortress 2, dropping contact from all his friends and family to focus on only what Big D wants, IE the Hunt and the upcoming fight against Horse. Markus, knowing that his online family is counting on him for an upcoming international game tournament refuses, and the bus seat he is supposed to inherit is something Big D will have to stay on forever as it slowly breaks down.
Goddamn even as a small kernel of HTP this has me GRIPPING MY SEAT IN POWERFUL ANTICIPATION. Hunter The Parenting brings powerful writing with just as equally powerful art and voice acting. Thank you for this amazing content
I love how with the added context of 3.7 you can really notice D fighting back the urge to bring up Anton as evidence for why he doesn't tell Marcus everything, probably because 1.) I'm guessing however Marcus forgot it, prodding that memory in any way would be a bad thing. Even setting aside the idea of lingering trauma, it could possibly attract the attention of whatever power Marcus tapped into. But assuming you either forget that for a second, or you know just telling him he made the situation with Anton worse wouldn't be that dangerous. 2.) Imagine how that would feel as a father. You lost a son on a hunt you brought him on and you were leading. To make things worse, another one of your children, your youngest at the time no less, the most innocent and vulnerable, using something you (unintentionally) gave him access to, tried to save their brother, but only made things worse for everyone. Where before at the very least the Fey seemingly intended on releasing Anton after a term of service, now he might be lost forever, or his time with them could be even worse then it would have already been. Now you're youngest is grown, he's a man now, even if part of you will never be able to accept that. Now you see him, and to you it seems like he's trying to make that same mistake all over again. All the while he's pestering you to open up, to give him more potential means of harming himself and the rest of the family. You know how this went last time, and you know how reminding him of that would hurt him. While part of you recoils from the idea of intentionally hurting your child, you also know how you could use that to beat him back, get him to drop this dangerous subject, even if only for a little bit. Part of you might even say it's for his own good, and for the good of everyone else, it isn't just Marcus who could get hurt if he mishandles this power as seen with Anton. Door, Boy, Kitten, their friends, other members of the family elsewhere. Imagine having that, and the temptation to hurt your own son in that way, even if you would never, imagine what even thinking about it would feel like.
This whole video really hightlights just HOW Dangerous Vampires as a whole are to normal humans. Even a fairly young and inexperienced vamp and easily punch a hole in your chest or be so unaturally fast and your reflexes, no matter how good they are, just can't compete with it. BUT it also does the opossite where it makes you think "man, if thats just begginer level stuff and older vamps get even crazier powers, then just how fucking badass and savage are the experienced hunters who go after said older vamps", Hunters are in the majority (with very notable exceptions) completly normal people who just happend to know things or have extraordinary skills and good contacts, they hunt shit that can make you're brain explode by just looking at you funny with nothing but brains, planning, improvising and sheer fucking grit. TL;DR Elder Vampires are scarry, but the Hunters that hunt those elders are perhaps even scarier.
"Only if they're enamored with the carpathians" means "Koldunic sorcery can do it, but it's really not well advised because that magic is Tzimisce and may or may not be powered by earthbound demons."
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"Relevent to proceedings"
*I n t e r e s t I n g*
Side note- I am absolutely down for the audiologs being subchapters. Frankly I'm baffled they haven't been sooner, they're phenomenal, and absolutely deserve to be
I really should be sleeping already... but new audiolog is so tempting...
Audio logs being labeled as sub chapters really does make a lot of sense. You could kind of consider one or two to be fun side projects, but at this point more of them are crucial to the plot than not.
Sub-chapter sounds a lot better and easier tbh
"Fatigue looks like he exploded"
Funny thing about that, Markus-
OI LAD, WANT TO SEE A DEAD BODY?
the shocking tale of sudden splosion. sounds like a goosebumps book
Hmmm... But what if he...
HEY WANNA SEE A DEAD BODY
“Wanna see a dead body?”
i love how D spends this whole thing continually trying to convince Marckus that vampire disciplines aren't cool.
... while describing what makes them cool
He knows his boy, and his boys weaknesses
But cost is too great to have them
Not to mention they are shallow when compared to real magic
@@whiteeye3453 He's just waiting for Markus to have an awakening.
@@brettwood1351 hell yeach
The look on Markus' face learning just how dangerous Kevin really is.
Great and mighty indeed.
Kevin sweep
Which really highlights how incredibly dangerous speaking to him is, especially alone. Dominate doesn't strictly need direct eye contact, and during an interrogation it can be subtle enough that not even the most perceptive people may fail to notice it. Only if you were for one reason or another completely immune to such powers would you actually be able handle an individual like Kevin.
@@Stormalisk For a young vampire like him, it's unlikely he has more than one discipline that honed, and I don't think we've seen him use Auspex or Thaumaturgy, so he's probably got 4 or 5 dots in Dominate and a max of one or two in Auspex and Thaumaturgy. Hell, he could be one of those few Tremere who just doesn't end up honing the sorcerous side of things. The clan keeps that sort around because they provide other uses like investigators, researchers, archivists, or in Kevin's case, accountants; all fields where a deep understanding of the clan's signature skill is 'not required'.
Yeah, Kevin is terrifying already, and he's still got a lot more to learn.
I like that this retroactively shed light into how powerful Kevins gang was, and especially kevin, they could have won if kevin stepped in way sooner
luckily it seems like kevin wasn't very invested in his packmates continued unlife
Well, that and him putting his dominance skills to real work in the shorts
My favorite part? Before, there was only one reasonable perspective: the deranged Big D talks big, and made a mistake, as the comedic relief.
Now, with knowledge on his inner dialogue, and how terrifying Kevin’s power is, this leads to a more ambiguous or plausible deniability in who would’ve been more skilled in their best respects: Kevin, or Big D.
Mind you that the pack they faced did not have all their Disciplines seemingly.
actually it seemed likely that kevin was contending with d but managed to overpower him just as they had knocked out his teammates.
Making audiologs sub chapters was a great choice in my opinion. I imagine that many people didn't watch them because they thought they weren't important
I think I like them better than the official episodes
@@ScadrianGhostblood they actually had better viewership than some of the main chapters!
And it also gives some study into the World of Darkness while making it entertaining to watch.
@@jackmilman9576Probably beacuse they are si rewatchable. I personally have listened to the probing of Kevin and the police interrogation like 7 times each.
For real, anything important to the story should be labeled as part of it
DORN, You absolute HERO!!! YOU SAVED A DARK FATE LINGERING IN MARKUS
Door* and Marckus*
Door but you got the spirit and that's what counts.
It might also be partially be Marckus overhearing Fatigue's advice on compartmentalising your problems, solving them bit by bit. And the most immediate bit right now is Fatigue's murderer.
@@HunhowsShadowStalkerRorqual Dork and Margnus the Nerd
for now, at least
"Only if they have a fascination with the carpathians mountains."
And that is why I love OWoD lore.
It's sound incredibly silly. That somehow the carpathians mountains grant heat ray vision to some vampires.
And yet it's 100 % lore accurate.
Elaborate
@@sacktheargonian Buried under the Carpathian mountains is a demon that gives the Tzimisce their elemental magics which includes stuff like manipulation of fire.
@@sacktheargonian Kolduns. Tzimische sorcerers whose magic revolves around elements and manipulate their land. The carpathians also have a demon imprisonated there by the clan founder I guess?
@@chadhandfield3979 same reason dog cancer makes sense. The clan tzimisce or members of it made a deal with a big demon who is also an angle who was trapped under the mountain range by werewolves. Now the more interesting thing is it doesn’t give them heat vision it gives them the ability to project fire. So how much does D actually know. Some of its right other things are wrong.
@@sacktheargonian
Under the carpathians lies a demon, or rather a fallen angel known as Kupala.
One of the 13 clans of vampires, the Tzimisces (wich is also the clan from where Dracula came btw) made contact with this earthbound.
The demon taught them a particuliar form of blood magic, know as Koldunic sorcery.
This magic focus on the link the Tzimisces have with the land, their clan curse being that they need two handful of their native soil to rest properly. As such, Koldunic sorcery grant to Kolduns magic that is derived and influence the elements.
One of the path of Koldunic sorcery if the Way of flame, who focus on fire.
The first level of this way help a vampire to resist the innate fear vampire have of fire. The second level make their eyes glow and then make whatever they look at spontanously combust.
So to me this pretty much confirms Big D is aware Marckus is a mage, and he's very much terrified of his boy being tempted by these ballin Vampire powers instead of awakening.
Either way, this is so good, dude.
He is not a mage. His sleep may be fitful, but he is not yet Awakened.
@@tzaphkielconficturus7136 Still, the potential seems to be there and him going down the wrong path and losing everything is less than ideal.
The saddest part is that while he's right that Thaumaturgy is a pale imitation of far greater powers, that imitation is still far beyond anything most anyone will ever be able to wield.
Anyone Embraced into Clan Tremere gains access to Thaumaturgy. Someone Awakening only happens perhaps once in one or ten million? With a population of seven billion, that's only around 700-7000 mortal Magi in the entire world. Even if you make it likelier by an order of magnitude, it's still a tiny amount of Magi.
While yes, anyone can technically learn Linear Magic, or Sorcery, with great effort, it's also true that anyone and everyone can learn Thaumaturgy, all they need is Vitae.
Marckus isn't a mage, not in WoD terms at least (certainly not as of yet). D is aware that Marckus has a tendency to "ends justify the means" dangerous powers. I think this is more about him being afraid Marckus is going to get tempted into ghouldom (ghouls do get some minor discipline powers) or otherwise fall prey to manipulation from the big players in the shadows of the WoD with promises of higher power, without understanding the full consequences.
He *could* of course turn out to be a mage at some point in the future, but no one is a mage until their Awakening, an event that is both absurdly rare and also completely unpredictable. it's not like werewolves where you have probability changes based on lineage. Awakening is not a thing you are destined to do based on raw potential or heritage or something, its a very specific event that can (theoretically) occur in anyone, but requires such a specific conflation of mindset and circumstance that it happens incredibly rarely.
Plus, I can't see D actually *wanting* Marckus to turn out a mage. True magic in WoD has some big time hazards that D would not want to risk Marckus engaging in.
@@darkoracle7534 the real horror isn’t that he may become a vampire, it’s that he may become a nephandi
Alfabusa has done it again, props to you all. I'm pleasently surprised that Marckus took Door's words to heart and chose to focus on the problem at hand, let us hope this family drama ends better than their 40k-counterparts'. Marckus' Awakening is just right there, but poor D is scared shitless that his redhead son will forsake it for Vampirism.
Also, poor Kitten is in the middle of it all, forced to hide things from Marckus too. That surely won't be a problem.
Well Magnus would never have taken that advice, and the Emperor may not have apologized. So as far as I can see here they have started evolving out of their Warhammer selves.
@@Novictus On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Dorn never even tried giving Magnus such an advice. Which makes this whole thing a giant 'what if' with very obvious parallels.
Between the Kevin shorts and what we learn of Dominate here, Kevin able to throw that power around so easily makes it understandable how he's survived multiple bloodhunts. He can literally scream "YOU DONT SEE THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN" and have it work.
Jesus loves you
@@joshuaharper8957 I hate you people.
“There he is! GET-“
*_”OUT!”_*
“Right away sir”
"IGNORE ME" but it actually works
And this is one of the reasons I vehemently oppose comparing HTP to TTS.
Of all people, Door turned out to be the emotional glue that convinced Markus to step back and disengage, which in turn prevented this argument from becoming an ABSOLUTE F$CKING DISASTER - Which this *wasn't* , believe it or not. No one is happy with this, but they're putting it aside for the time being with the promise to discuss it later, and that's kind of the BEST OUTCOME two people with fundamentally opposing and mutually exclusive viewpoints could come to in a situation with this number of corpses (which is any number at all, really).
The worst part is you really can see where Markus and Dee are both coming from, but what they want are absolutely irreconcilable. One of them has to break.
I REALLY like Door's writing in this. As a father himself, he has an easier time relating to his own father. And in Boy's audiolog, at the end, when discussing his fears with D, the little voice crack when he talks about being afraid. God, what a wonderful series.
He is fortifying this Family
I think it's more that Marckus needs to be able to go and admit to his faults.
What is htp
I found it interesting is when D was going off on Markus (the “I’m your better” which he admits he went “too far”) the live chat instinctively went “there’s the emperor”. Kinda implying that people see Emps as a dark side of D
The complexity around Marcus makes me SO EXCITED
Because D kind of.. Was being honest. But I don't think D thinks he's a better hunter than Markus, but that Markus is not prepared. And everytime we see Markus gain info on hunting, man goes INSANELY excited and thinks he can guess/know everything from there. Which makes sense, since being in this world from a young age, he's always known more than the average person. Which is why D is especially loathe to share info with him.
Compare and contrast, D has always been happy to share info with Kitten, who's always reacted to more info with an "Oh *god* we know absolutely nothing" and thus handles any knowledge given to him with care and deliberateness.
I cannot wait to see more, and am also very proud of Markus for walking away before things started to hurt more
@@ForeverinmyownWorld1 D already voiced his thoughts on Markus to Kitten: the loves him, thinks the world of him and sees great potential in him to eventually become the greatest of all of them. The problem is, HE DIDN'T TELL THAT TO MARKUS! THE ONE PERSON WHO *NEEDS* TO HEAR HE'S VALUED AND APPRECIATED!
@floricel_112 I feel like D fears that if Marckus did hear that, he'd let it get to his head and make him even more reckless than he already was, so he'd prefer to keep Marckus humble. Except, of course, it's kinda backfiring.
This. This describes it perfectly I think. Parents always want to do whats best for their children because they have experience that the child doesn’t have. But it can often backfire and lead them down a path they wanted them to avoid. Father knows best, after all.
@floricel_112 "The problem is, HE DIDN'T TELL THAT TO MARKUS!"
The History Book on the shelf...
My biggest thought that D is hesistant to share with Markus is his cockiness. Markus IS brilliant, talented, etc. But that also gives him an ego and thinking he's always a step ahead, and if it does go wrong it's not his fault he was just given bad information.
The stake vest is the perfect example of this. Markus is so confident that he setup this ambush and gambled EVERYTHING on it. That he would coax the vampire into grabbing him, that at least ONE of the stakes would impale his heart and not miss, etc. He was so high on the 'I'm so clever'ness that he managed to stake the vampire more by luck than skill and just played it as 'Everything according to plan.'
Now take that attitude and inform him of the existance of, say, independant ghouls. Say Markus, did you know you can stake vampires and drink their blood to give yourself super powers? Markus would ABSOLUTELY attempt this because he's confident he's clever enough to get around any pitfalls related to it. He's too careful and smart to end up blood bonded, he's too good to allow the vamp to escape, etc.
I feel D recognizes this which is why he gets so defensive anytime Markus shows the slightest interest in the up sides of vampirism, because he's reckless enough to jump straight in without thinking about the consequences believing himself to be able to handle it if anything did arise.
Played once in a group of elder vampires. one of us had "obfuscate" allmost maxed out. His character was pretty easy to spook would allways obfuscate to hid immitatly when scared. one time we scared him so badly he used 8 level obfuscate power. We forgot him and the entire building block behind him. We read later about it in the news...
Love the idea of a horribly powerful vampire that by any mortal means is akin to a demigod, being so chickenshit that he would rather the world forget him.
@@Stage-Fryte Pretty sure it's canon advanced Obsfucate users grow increasingly paranoid.
One of the more common delusions is that they become convinced there are other invisible and even more powerful creatures watching them all the time.
@@Voice_of_p That conjures images of this really skittish vampire walking down the street, when suddenly a rat squeaks nearby and he just lets out a giant magical fart cloud that causes everyone in a ten thousand mile radius to forget he even exists.
@@AkiKii519 Well, there's a very apt saying that a thief checks his locks twice.
The pain in Zegram's voice as he told Dee he would question him no further, damn. Hats off to you, lad
Ah, the beautiful drama and amazing writing of "for the love of god just have an honest conversation with each other". All Dee has to do is say "i am mortally terrified that you may one day choose to become a vampire", but that kind of vulnerability is simply anathema.
Plus also I do feel telling one of your kids that you are afraid they are easy to dupe or trick, to be something they grew up to hate. It is like telling your kid "Hey I am afraid you will become a serial killer" when they have little amount of friends, it just feels insulting to the person, even if the parent has a good reason to be nervous. So while D should be honest, being too honest can be even more hurtful then the lies or walking around it for who knows how long.
Markus: "........ Dad."
"Hm?"
"THAT'S STUPID AND YOU'RE STUPID!!"
@@HalfTangible D is really good at reading people. And after the Wyrm fiasco, he has proof.
@@Hypogean7 I don't think it was a Wyrm fiasco.
Anathema, you saaay....
Here's a thought: Marckus was smart enough to recognize that Pyotor making his dad deathly afraid was reason enough to take the matter seriously. By that same metric it might be good for D to openly show how afraid he is for Marckus. In fact, *every* time someone mentions being truly afraid of the supernatural tends to be sobering.
Yes, but his course of action immediately afterwards was to try and jump out of a window in the dark and immediately shattered both of his ankles as a result.
This is a reoccuring theme with Marckus. He can come up with smart, even brilliant ideas, but his recklessness and hubris makes them backfire badly on him. We can also see examples of this in Episode 1, where he basically gambled his entire life on one of the stakes in his stake jacket accidentally stabbing Ape Boy in the heart when he was about to be bitten, and in the Pub Audiologue where he makes the mistake of thinking he has beaten Brok and ends up tipping his hand too early when it came to the drinking contest.
*FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS I LAY DORMANT, WHO HAS DISTURBED MY-* Oh, it's Bruva Alfabusa with the return of Hunter The Parenting episode.
Glorious.
explain idiot -vegeta
I'm surprised how many people reference TFS here, though I guess now that I think about it, their works and Alfabusa's share a lot more in common than you'd gleam from the surface.
ALFA LIVES!!! ALFA LIVES!!!
@@mr.cheese1865 Takahata keeps showing up over here.
Glad to see Markus taking his brother's advice and at least focusing on the task at hand rather than creating more rifts between him and D. He definitely is better at it than his 40k counter part.
That is yet to be seen, really. I sense a reckoning coming for Markus where he will likely have to make some big choices, that will have consequences beyond the situations to come. Deals struck, or sacrifices made, most likely. I am certain that whichever paths he chooses, he will never be the same man as before. Maybe something greater... or something that has sunk low and paid a terrible price.
I dread for the moment when Marckus will do nothing wrong...
Marckus is going to do nothing wrong :/
Come on folks have some faith in him!!
@@berilsevvalbekret772 I am scared none the less.
I love that they gave THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN (wettsworth) the respect he deserves, just the small mention of how powerful a creature they were actually facing and the realization dawning on Marckus and Kitten were so so satisfying. Also thank you for this gratious gift of more of these amazing characters, I only need to hear a little bit more every time
I honestly forgot that Mass Manipulation (the dominate level that lets you influence small groups instead of individuals) is literally a fifth level discipline in V5 (it was even higher originally but all indication has generally been that HtP essentially operates off of the V5 ruleset unless otherwise stated)
Which has some serious implications about Kevin's powerset, namely that he could probably either rewrite entire swathes of memories or implant post-hypnotic suggestions into people's minds if he cared to. It also gives context to the fact that he's basically psychically dominating the entire Norfolk police department. Honestly would probably be pretty terrifying if he wasn't on our side.
@ the most terrifying part is that his sire and the regent of north Norfolk are clearly stated to be even more powerful. We’ll see how our heroes fare when the time comes
@@DaBlueIghuana I think the power-dynamic comes more from another fact - I'm still sure that Kevin never got to learn more than the most basic powers of Blood Sorcery. While the Regent and Kevin's sire likely are highly skilled in Dominate AND Blood Sorcery. (we've never seen Kevin use any instance of Sorcery, only Dominate)
In game terms, Kevin might have Dominate level 5, but his sire and the regent likely have all of the Tremere-disciplines (Blood Sorcery, Dominate and Auspex) at level 4-5. Additionally to high Blood Potency-levels due to their generations, which makes their use of disciplines even more dangerous than Kevin's.
@ what I meant written out in more nuance, but I’m also sure that those two are also more experienced in the use of their disciplines and where they might or might not work.
@@manticore6963 Is it common for the spread to be that high? The current V5 Prince of Chicago has a skill line of 3 Dominate, 4 Fortitude and 3 Presence.
You spoil us! TWO HtP and a mage!? Lets go!
Out of morbid curiosity, is zero viscosity no longer a thing?
@PitPwny Oh, good question. It's been a long while since it's showed up. It's probably considered secondary, so it gets worked on between other stuff, but that's just a guess.
@@RolandTheJabberwocky iirc they're kinda doing stuff in phases. like we got the 3 (i think?) episodes of zero-viscosity and now we're in a phase for htp stuff, which'll probably be followed by more zero-viscosity and/or other projects. of course i could also be talking out of my ass so who knows.
@PitPwny HL:ZV didn't do as well as they would've liked, and while they eventually want to do more stuff with it, they decided to focus on H:TP for the time being.
@@personwhotalks2049 It isn't necessarily zero viscosity, but they will be changing shows after each arc as they described it. Might be something new entirely.
I love how the tension is increased because most of the audience already knows what happened with Magnus and the Emperor.
Its was only a quick comment but the fact that big D knows about the carpathians mountains and demons in general is insanely telling.
The dude knows that the Tremere *diablerized Saulot,* there’s like MAYBE five dudes who know that on the entire planet.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that referencing fucking kupala
@@오주환-b1n I dunno, I feel like the Salubri would probably be aware.
@@thebiggestboss4487Oh they definitely know, but the Tremere started spreading rumors shortly after Saulot was consumed that the clan was nothing more than masquerade flaunting degenerates who thought the Camarilla were a “bunch of nerds,” so obviously they’ve all been being blood hunted since the dark ages.
Big Ds frustration every time he hears discipline’s described in appealing manners. Oh boy I sense a tragedy befitting of Magnus racing towards Markus like a freight train. 💀
It would be hilarious if all of this is subversion and Markus awakens to become a mage only to join the Nephandi or Pentex or something.
@ aw I would love that
@@noneofyourbusiness2437I’m one hundred percent certain that Matilda Wilde is a werewolf and that door will fall in love with her, so that would be an interesting family dynamic.
“Hey bro, back from fucking up our planet?”
“Matilda pleeeeaaase…”
“No. Fuck you.”
Imagine seeing a red version of yourself with nipple horns and chicken wings from an alternate universe. I’d be fucking scared shitless of whatever caused me to go down that road.
On the other hand, VAMPIRE AUTOMATA AS STAND INS FOR RUBRICAE!
Jesus loves you
While obviously not as insane as Big-D, I respect why he wants to withhold this information. The more you think you're comfortable with Kindred power, the more you think you know what to expect, and the more you think you know what to expect the less you are prepared to deal with the unexpected. It's the Hunter's Paradox. The more you know the more you realize how little you knowledge goes to protecting you from disaster. But also, it's killing Markus on the inside... and something has to give.
The more you think you have control over something the more careless you get. And the more careless you get the more likely something is going to horribly wrong. And in the case of Vampirism, if something goes wrong there's no way to ever make it right.
"And when I spoke with the oracle, she said I was the wisest of the Greeks, because I among all the Greeks knew that I know nothing." -Socrates
Marckus hungering for that dangerous knowledge already 😂
Crisp and luscious knowledge.
@@arklaw8306it’s so juicy!!!
MARCKUS DID NOTHING WRONG!!!
Soon he’s gonna get one of his eyes poked out, and a magic squid is gonna promise him more power.
oh man oh god
Numbering the order of episodes was a huge positive change. makes rewatching and recommending to friend's a lot easier than saying "look up release order on the page"
Emphasis on Big-D and Marckus, in an emotionally intense situation... This is looking to be a palace of promises. Of dark, dark promises.
I cannot watch the premiere, but i wish everybody a lot of fun. Thank you all for persisting with this series, and wish you all well, strength, joy and wisdom. Wherever you will be able to receive, find, make and share it.
Thank you! You too! Such a shame some people can’t be here for the premiere, ext time maybe?
The most predictable path, a road already taken, if without the horror lens that is World of Darkness:
Markus the Redhead submits to more chaotic powers, and unwittingly becomes slave to some fate, all because of Big D’s inaction and stubbornness.
But on this similar road, there’s a couple bumps to consider, things that might change that course:
Last time, Rogal Dorn and the Captain-General weren’t able to be there for Magnus and Big E.
The worldbuilding is one thing, but mapping out a chapterhouse, an entire hunter house and so on as background dressing full of intricacies and love. It makes the colourful cast of characters so much more vibrant! (I'm referencing this as well as past entries)
Can we appreciate that Big D went out of his way to cover for kitten to hide the fact he's given him more information than he's given Marckus? I know it benefits him as well to hide that information, but I genuinely think he would have done it regardless to cover for his beloved son-in-law.
Wow, that last bit, though. . . When D was demanding Marcus submit to his judgment due to senority and strength level, I couldn't stop thinking: Isn't that the exact same logic vampires use? I am older and more powerful therefore I am always right?
I mean, D isn't entirely wrong, and I know in his case it came from love and a desperate desire to keep his family safe, and he clearly knew he went too far, but. . . careful D, lest you create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I am fully convinced that THAT was why Kitten got so ANGRY at him, to the point of shouting. He's still sore from the Sabbat incident, after all...
I mean, that's more just dysfunctional family talk. Which Vampire generations definitely count as, but it's not exclusively a campire thing.
With how Big D described dominate, I feel like he is gonna be super pissed when he learns that Kevin has been using it just o get out of inconvinient situations
I mean, if you got it, then you might as well abuse it.
IGNORE ME!!!!
@@dj11o9er "Well, I admit it. I killed 48 men."
*brandished Glock* "OH FU-"
I doubt he'd be shocked to be honest
maybe he's using presence?
At first, I could see how Sir D could be wrong about Marcus’s curiosity since our red headed boyo started this strong minded, calm and laying out the facts. But then, with the blood magic… I could see how Marcus was wrong and Sir D was right, as Marcus got hyped and let his mental guard down in wanting to hear about the blood sorcery so vividly. Finding the middle ground in how’s and why’s is gonna be a tough one between our father and son.
Marckus couldn’t even admit to his own failings at his friends at the pub and is too reckless.
I think Kitten also realized where Big D was coming from when blood sorcery came up. Markus was visibly intrigued at the prospect of blood magic.
Not to mention his overconfidence at being "built different" against Dominate discipline - which, as we could see from the very first episode, is just objectively incorrect. They were caught lacking once, they can absolutely get caught lacking again - and yet, that warning from Dr. Waters flies right over his head.
Even if the apple does not fall far from the Big-Tree, can you blame D for deeming Marckus yet-unready and vulnerable?
@@Levyafan no, but you can definitely do it for the way he expresses himself and interacts with him
Can’t help but feel this gives more credence to the idea that the doctor is the ghoul/vampire. It almost felt like she was trying to convince Markus that ghouls have cool powers as opposed to strictly informing him.
In the comments of Big D’s interview (interrogation) with Guy Chapman, someone also pointed out a few telltale signs that either brush by, or were dismissed as something else
It looks like the good doctor is experiencing some withdrawal symptoms, at least near the start.
She is the quintessential Tremere ghoul when it comes to her skill sets. Tremere ghouls tend to be Tremere in training vs being throwaway slaves other clans use.
To be fair, these powers, when described normally and without considering the cost, just sound cool. Being able to warp minds, leap great heights, become invisible, and channel sorcerous power don't really need embellishment. Frankly, if he came out of that conversation believing that these powers are appealing, it would be less the fault of the doctor for assisting in describing them and more Big D's fault for not actually explaining and emphasizing the cost, regardless of his own desire to protect his son.
Also note that, when speaking of reading D's papers, then destroying them, she said "Orders are orders," but she didn't specify WHOSE orders she was following.
the question is if she's a ghoul for the treme, or for another.
we know at minimum that the sabot had a person around. but in reality there is at least one other vampire faction.
Seeing father and son argue, while knowing both their perspectives..... I'm really hoping this doesn't end in some scenario where Markus makes a deal with a devil.
sounds familar...
Again.
Honestly, I don't think he will. Marckus has already proven he thinks they're all monsters, and that he's denied them plenty of times before. He amired their power here, sure, but that is far different from coveting it.
Not to compare with 40K. But Magus had more problems than arrogance, naivety and a distant father. He also had brothers who either despised him, or were secretly screwing him over. H:TP has a way more supportive family structure. Which is always OP. Not to mention he has Kitten, a guy who will literally get in your face if you mistreat his man.
And Horse of course!
…
Metaphorically or literally?
Kitten defending Marckus after Big D said those things .....god the emotion
Love this audiologs so much!!!
Few things can make Kitten mad enough to angrily shout at somebody. Perhaps the way Big-D talked, being all like "I am better than you so you shall listen and obey" reminded him way too much of a certain social darwinist he's faced so recently...
@@Levyafan Or it could be that it was his fiance.
“Many have tried, most have detonated”
Odd choice of words D, how’d you pull that off?
Considering Pyotr blew up, I like to guess Sir D has more explosive ordinance on hand than just landmines.
With how vehemently he rejects the idea that blood sorcery is magic he might not be a wizard, but he could still be a mage
As he said, there are much greater powers out there than what thaumaturgy can offer a being. Not just awakened Mages, but there are magics in the world that are beyond even Mages and Vampires to control or understand. There are things that go bump in the night, and there are things that the night dwellers fear beyond the light of day
He should just tell Marckus what the cooler shit is than vampire shit, to give them a safe alternative.
@@mimszanadunstedt441 and have him go the reverse of getting seduced by vampirism? Hardly a better alternative. Even Mages have their dark sides (to use the Force analogy) that arent any less threatening or dangerous to humanity at large. I suggest you watch the Norfolk Wizard Game videos that have come up (the most recent one particularly) to see why it really isnt a better alternative to telling them nothing but what is relevant at hand
It really is tragic that for all of Big D's eloquence, he never quite has the words to just say what he's feeling. That he doesn't want to tell Markus these things because he knows his brilliant baby boy would want to learn more about such knowledge in order to better combat the creatures that utilize them. Not that such an endeavor isn't noble, neigh that what appears to be a line towards progress is deceptively but a crack leading to a mighty crevasse. The things Markus would need to do to learn more would be morally dubious at best, suicidal at worst, and with no conclusive end in sight without antagonizing heights of supernatural power that border on outright divinity. A TREADMILL OF SUFFERING UPON WHICH THAT HE IN HIS MANY YEARS OF SENIORITY IS BUT SEVERAL METERS AHEAD COMPARED TO THE KILOMETERS OF KNOWLEDGE THAT A HUNTER COULD COME UP AGAINST! Worse, though he'd trust the man with his life, he fears the spark of mankind's ingenuity could be too bright for Markus' own good, possibly leading him to consider extreme means if it could achieve extraordinary ends, and consideration is but the idea-seed of action. Big D is trying to use his experience to protect Markus from making mistakes in a profession where a single mistake has caused many to die young and the old to die violently.
At the end of the day he's worried he won't be a good teacher. He's blessed with a prodigy of a child with such a thirst for knowledge that it's perfectly possible that the wisdom will be neglected. Worse, that there might be a day where he would genuinely have to answer "I don't know," and Markus would truly be on his own, without his father's guidance and protection, as a peer or even a superior that he as a father may well be powerless to help should something go terribly, horribly wrong.
Indeed.
and things have already gone horribly, terribly wrong. Marckus just forgot it happened. But Big D hasn't. (And maybe Door as well???)
An immaculate summary of Big D's plight!
I KNEW IT, that confirms it, Dr.Waters is the Ghoul, looking past the now obvious, the very fact that she knew about all the disciplines all along and did not mention it before is truly a dead give away.
She knows about Vampire disciplines she didn't know that ghouls could also have them
@UnknownUser-ow5zb then what was she talking about when she was saying that considering Lord Fatigue's state that our culprit isn't a Ghoul? She had to have known if she is comparing Ghouls to Vampires she even mentions that Ghouls are limited in the power Ofuscate saying that their powers would only work if the user was completely still, no I believe what is going on is that she is trying to throw them off the scent by blaming it on it being a Vampire instead of a Ghoul, remember in the Ghoul episode where Big D mentions Droughts this is what she was able to pull off on Lord Fatigue.
Im so proud of markus and his choice to stop.
that is huge and speaking from personal experience in my life right now this is making me rethink somthing going on in my real life atm.
people are not perfect they are flawed and make mistakes but as long as we can come togther trust love and look out for each other we can work it out in time.
thank you and everyone involved in this it is an absolute pleasure to watch
Not only a lore dump, but a family drama bomb too! Oh, this was amazingly well written, acted and animated! Introduced a friend to this series and he’s hooked, but this has me as ravenous as a blood starved vampire passing a blood bank!
Does Big D want Markus to become a mage? Instead of stating magic is bad, he focuses on how Thaumaturgy is a pale imitation of real magic.
He seems oddly accepting of magic for a hunter.
Wanting to become one has nothing to do with it. If Markus is close to awakening, then even Big D will have a hard time stopping it. It would different if he didn’t involve the children in the supernatural at all, but since Markus regularly comes in contact with the the supernatural it would be only a matter of time until it happens.
The thing is I think Markus has already semi awakened, it was stated in a previous ep that he summoned "something" an it became aware of him.
@@lokensicarius9347 Not just that, but he quite literally cursed Brok when they went pubbing. He is like a spit of a distance away to awaken his true magic, and I feel like its going to be the next big episode, the gang being cornered into a position where he HAS to awaken.
@@lokensicarius9347 .... wonder if alfabusa is gonna make a twist. what if the 'tzeentch' he encounter is his avatar?
the mages in their norfolk wizard game are encountering theri avatars but.... i get the imperssion they are also implying that mages are linking to eldritch horrors.
@@taddad2641
Well… they are. All mages must maintain balance and therefore contact between and with the metaphysical trinity. If Markus is really a mage, he seems to have awakened most similarly to Bill: by direct contact with a spirit of one of the trinity, most likely the Wyrm.
I am always astonished at the writing and performances of each individual VA in these, but the sheer, clean emotions in this episode are something else. You guys are making my days, whenever i am feeling tired or depressed. Please, whatever the future holds for you guys, never break this magnificent magical creation of yours.
Thank you all, for existing and making these.
I like how D is very insistent on not using actual clan names in front of his kids. He knows how dangerous simply knowing those names is.
I wonder if they'll bring up the dementation discipline.
I have a theory that Big-D intentionally keeps the Malkavians a secret because the Cobweb network could be too tempting for Marcus.
He would believe he can be a Malkavian and not go insane, that he would keep his mind.
He literally already did, but the V5 version of it which instead of it's own discipline is a amalgamation discipline, you can see their clan logo when he talks about it
@@Gabe600 timestamp, please?
I am literally a single celled organism absorbing all of the lore and knowledge from these audiologs over the years and let me tell you I am now a evolved species.
You guys just keep delivering, and delivering delicious episodes... Hell, I wouldn't even mind if the next upload was like a couple of months later, I'm already satisfied with these recent videos!!
Discipline powers mentioned/implied (as of 5th edition):
9:55 Feral weapons - level 2, Protean
10:37 Lethal Body - level 1, Potence
10:46 Soaring Leap - level 1, Potence
11:51 Earthshock - level 5, Potence
11:56 Spark of Rage - level 3, Potence (amalgam with Presence)
12:00 Subtle Hammer - level 5, Potence (I think)
14:00 Mass Manipulation - level 5, Dominate
14:03 Implant Suggestion - level 4, Dominate
14:13 Compel - level 1, Dominate
15:19 Terminal Decree - level 5, Dominate
16:39 Submerged Directive - level 3, Dominate
17:48 Ghost in the Machine - level 3, Obfuscate
18:59 Mask of a Thousand Faces/Imposter's Guise - level 3/5, Obfuscate
19:10 Silence of Death - level 1, Obfuscate
19:12 Doubletalk - level 2, Obfuscate
19:16 Chimerstry - level 2, Obfuscate (amalgam with Presence, formerly its own discipline)
19:22 Dementation - level 2, Dominate (amalgam with Obfuscate, formerly its own discipline)
20:15 Cloak of Shadows - level 1, Obfuscate
23:52 Theft of Vitae - level 4, Blood Sorcery
23:54 A Taste for Blood - level 1, Blood Sorcery
24:00 Cauldron of Blood - level 5, Blood Sorcery
24:25 Coax the Garden/Viscera Garden - level 1/2, Blood Sorcery ritual
24:50 Koldunic Sorcery - level 1, Blood Sorcery (formerly its own discipline)
24:53 Scorpion's Touch/Baal's Caress - level 3/5, Blood Sorcery
These are only the powers I recognize, I'm sure there are more references to powers from previous editions.
So Kevin has five points in Dominate? Damn he's really strong.
@@arthenosthefirst8176 Likely specialized in it over other Tremere disciplines like Thaumaturgy or Auspex.
Also, one scary thing to consider: the Regent and the Prince are likely even STRONGER.
@@Levyafan Admittedly the Regent probably isn’t better at him at Dominate specifically, though she may have gone for other specializations. What really makes her more dangerous than him on a personal level is that she’s going to not only have more Disciplines in general, she can probably afford setting enough Vitae points on metaphorical fire to spam such high level powers.
This is... No, it can't be, could it be... A blessing is upon us! All hail BRUVA AND ALFABUSA
The smile on D's face at 16:05 as he knows he has taught his sons this ability
It also shows how confident AND arrogant both D and Markus are. It's...far too familiar.
I love that kitten immediately stows his weapon when information comes up.
God D is absolutely terrified Marckus is gonna get Kevin to embrace him or that he’ll get found and embraced by some other tremere isn’t he? Auspex is a tremere in clan and Marckus’s aura is probably sparkling already
Kevin would not do it. He knows how much being a vampire hurts and that he’d be breaking D’s trust.
Tremere do tend to seek out those of scholarly and disciplined backgrounds. Then again they might avoid him because he has a tendency to be careless. Carelessness gets one killed in that world. Either at the hands of hunters, or rivals.
@@CountDVBif he tried to be embraced by Kevin then best case would be Kevin talking him down from the embrace.
Worst case would be the refusal frustrating Marckus causing him to seek another Tremere or other vampire.
But this is all assuming that he even tries it which is FAR from certain
@@CountDVB yeah, kevin had to be bullied and persuaded into just ghouling the policeman. i can't imagine the screeching he would do if Marckus tried to get him to embrace him
1:52 Holy hell Young Fatigue was ripped in that portrait.
Chadigue
Can we give some love to Kitten? D has been so forthcoming to him, even at the expense of keeping his own children in the dark. Yet the moment D says that Markus is beneath him, Kitten stands up for his fiance. It would've been so easy for them have Kitten side with D about the safety of it, but because he loves Markus, he stops D.
I feel awful for the situation he's been put in as well. If he isn't honest with Markus soon, it could destroy their relationship.
@@gamemeister27
D has been covering for Kitten at least
@@commisaryarreck3974 That's not great either once the truth comes out.
Kitten's very much been standing up for Marckus on every occasion he could. Be it against a cracked-up vampire stomping his lover's face into the ground, or Sir-D expressing his distrust in his son's character, this usually meek softie stands full ten toes to defend his red-hairs fiance.
Come to think of it, him being MAD at Big-D might be because the latter's talks about being "faster, stronger, and Marckus's better" reminded him a little bit too much of his recent encounter with the Sabbat...
20:00 SHE ALMOST SAID TREMERE... HOW DID SHE KNOW IT'S TREMERE WHO SENT THE GHOUL???!!!!!
“We have a murderer loose in the house somewhere.”
*muffled voice in the walls* “I’m not not here-real, ignore me me!”-the not-Great-Horned-Rat, probably.
Good knowledge of the local Camarilla rulers. Guesswork? Inference? But yeah, somewhat sus.
What's so scary about this is how much Markus misses the point about what Big D is saying. Big D is making it pretty clear, at least to me, that blood magic is nothing more than a Temu version of real magic and nothing worth having. Yet Markus got from it was that is was like Occum's Celtic Magic. Then when he hears about all the abilities it can provide you and gets even more excited I felt my heart sink. He's getting all the wrong things from what he is being told.
And I get it. His interest is purely academic, the excitement comes from a love of learning, and he doesn't yet understand the full implications of blood magic. But it is disturbing how nonchalant he is about it after hearing so much about Big D's warnings. This isn't like learning about chemistry or physics where they are constrained by the rules of nature. This is powerful dark sorcery. A force far greater than any one man, even if he is a great mage, can ever truly understand. To treat it so casually is asking for trouble.
Even real magic isn't something to be taken lightly; less we get ourselves killed like two monkey's banging rocks together because the sparks they make are pretty and triggering a forest fire.
Given what we know about Markus' impulsivity and flaw about not thinking things through it's no wonder why Big D is afraid to tell him anything. He's smart enough to get himself in trouble; and the trouble that comes with messing with magics can be devastating. The fact he managed to get away from whatever 'Entity' he summoned as a child was miracle; but no one's gets a miracle twice.
Yet, if he doesn't Markus will never learn and will be more likely to fall prey to these evil forces; something he is probably very much aware of.
It's a real catch-22.
Big D never explains why it's wrong, inferior or dangerous.
He just says it is and expects Markus to believe without actually making him understand why. That's a terrible way to teach anyone.
I have to say, I love that these audio logs allow for more lore and character building at a faster pace while waiting for the high quality HTP animations!
Shoutout to the guy in live chat who called Potence “Mantis shrimp powers”
...I MEAN ARE THEY WRONG THO????
@@boomerpro87
Hell no, and with Protean you can literally BE a mantis shrimp.
I think it’s really cool how you’re able to teach people the ins and outs of WoD while also telling a story at the same time! Not only is it wonderfully written, but I’m also picking up more ways to spice things up at the table! Thank you so much for this series!
I believe, in this, D has surpassed the emperor of TTS. While there have been snippets of an all-encompassing fatherhood theme both in prior episodes of H:TP and TTS alike. Nothing compares to the desperate anger expressed by D. As a true father, afraid to be to harsh but feeling forced to do so. In a few phrases, this has surpassed everything this channel has ever posted.
The possibility of using Vicissitude to make Space Ripper Stingy Eyes never occurred to me and I will absolutely be doing that next time I play a Tzimice.
Door and Markus' heart to heart in the Horse audio log bearing fruit.
So, just something to keep in mind…
The levels of power Ghouls have access to are dependent on the generation of their master. The Ghouls of Vampires from the 13th-8th generations are limited to a maximum discipline level of 1, which then increases from then on. 7th generation Ghouls (Ghouls of The Regent for example) would have maximum discipline level of 2 to tap into, while 6th generation ones (Ghouls of The Prince themselves) would have level 3 Disciplines to potentially tap into.
Meaning that if this is a Ghoul of The Regent or even The Prince themselves, then the rest of the group is going to be in for a rough time.
Also relevant, is that A: Ghouls are immune to Delirium (meaning that if Spit IS a werewolf, then his transformation wouldn’t affect them like it would others), and B: A Ghoul can ALWAYS potentially tap into the disciplines of Celerity, Fortitude, and Potence, the prior 2 of which aren’t covered in this video (meaning that the Ghoul could also have some level of Superhuman speed and/or durability.)
16:06 - 16:18 I love this little moment between the 2 of them, shows that they can still get along wondrously
I still feel the doctor is the ghoul, her enthusiasm for dominate aligns with the illusion she could have cast of occam while checking his pulse. Also had access to sanctum.
The fact that Markus has so far spent the past 8 months of real time literally covered in so many bandages that he looks like a mummy from a shitty horror movie from the 50's is unfathomably hilarious to me.
Edit: 5:47 Cocaine Embolism Recovery LMAO
4:50 You know, I am not surprised the main person who bothered reading D's work is the person who likes South American Coca Leaf as much as he likes South American Ayahuasca.
My husband and I love this so much but we crave mooore! Lol we literally had a baby in between the time of the last chapter house episode. Shes now 2 months old watching it in between us on the bed confused but happy 😂😂 she especially got a kick out of our anguish when it ended, why is your content so good??? Its never enough for us, we are so excited for the next video you post!
Congratulations to you both on the child, and wish you all a lot of good luck, fortune, wisdom, strength and joy to receive, find, make and share.
Surely there were other videos you could have watched? I mean, having a baby seems like a pretty severe reaction to having a spare 30 mins free over the space of a few months.
The Voice Acting work of this episode in particular, ESPECIALLY MARCKUS, was simply beyond the already high bar already set by this series. Bravo lads
Hype beyond fathom, beyond the ken of mortal souls and minds. See, ye wretches, the next funny video of Bruva Alfabusa
Update: I got to the end and you made me sad ☹️
I love that the Live Chat’s reaction to the Doctor having read D’s scholarship is complete bewilderment that he can write.
I never cease to be amazed of your deliverance of how Fatigue is so cool and virtious in so little screentime and so few interactions
D either says nothing or reveals a thousand year old secret. I love him
I’m enthralled by the moment when D looses all candor and has an outburst. Markus’s response hits like a gut punch.
"This is the most honest thing you've said to me in a very long time" hits hard and painful once you realise that this is likely what Marckus thought anyway: that the reason D kept him in the dark was because he was deemed inferior.
@@Levyafan Also feeds into his inferiority complex, since he thinks D likes Kitten more, or at least suspects he trusts him more than his own son.
@@Murmarine Oh yeah, that's true. Especially when he suspects something when Kitten says something he wouldn't have known (though D's cover excuse seems to have worked), and he was flabbergasted at the "goodness gracious" - perhaps wondering if his 'luv' is in on something.
such an amazingly tense episode.
not knowing a lot of the lore of the setting, im learning about it through the information we are given in this series.
the mystery and horror of it all is absolutely spellbinding!
i cant wait to learn more
Marcus being a potential mage and lusting over vampire powers is like a custodes going "omg i wish i was a space marine they're so much cooler"
14:44 SO, to clarify, Kevin’s _minimum_ Discipline Level would have to be 7 to control multiple people. Here’s a list of Dominate powers of that level, pre-V5:
Chain of Command: Should a target be made unable to obey one of your Dominate command the effect will be passed to one who can
Command the Legion/Mass Manipulation: You can use Dominate on small groups at once
Dynastic Power: Control mortal descendants and implant suggestions using just a name or picture of the target
Repression of the Obvious: Learn a thought the target is repressing and make them blurt it out
Still the Mortal Flesh: Shut down the body functions of a target
Strings of the Marionette: Force a vampire to obey your commands even when staked or in torpor
Tyrant's Gaze: Reduce the Attributes of a target with a look
And keep in mind that A: Kevin would still have access to powers from lower levels on top of the above, and B, there’s a chance he’s actually capable of tapping into, or eventually learning to tap into, higher discipline level powers (which is where Dominate can start to be used over longer ranges.)
My guess is that Spits is a werewolf but did not kill the hunter but was framed by the vampire because he was sent to reveal info about werewolves. Since vampires want hunters to fight werewolves in order to give them "breathing" room, then framing one would be a great distraction.
The problem is werewolves have to be *very* skilled to transform without damaging their clothes.
Spit is still wearing the guard uniform.
And him being freaked out doesn't seem to give credence to him being an expierienced werewolf
Nah my guess he did kill fatigue but was coaxed into it.
Spit i think might been an unnaturally late bloomer in terms of the werebeasts. Him not having his 'ridalin' in part. I think that in fact he got his ridalin from the 99p store..... and they were planning on giving D 'special medicine'. my guess they have been tainting the medicine with vitae, maybe to control people, maybe to push profits with addictions. Could be it fucked with his werewolf nature.
spit's strong of will though, suprisingly, and has been holding back the beast.
.... the ghoul may have raelized what he was and coaxed the beast out, but could only do so temporarily and so much. spit killed fatigue, but didn't fully transform, which his why his uniform is intact. there is a stage between the human and war form and as loose as his clothes are he'd be able to go to mid form and back withuot destroying his cloths. he managed to regain control.
.... my guess the ghoul has been just really fuckign still in the chapter house or something. though it would mean the ghoul isn't a tremere if he's invisible.
Dang, that was like passing a kidney stone: grueling and akin to torture trying to get it out, but it comes with a sense of great relief once it's out. Well done. I appreciate your writing for this, and I'm eager to see how the rest of this chapter pans out.
While i had been devastated at the loss of tts having grown up with it as my literally first intro for 40k . This is magic pure art, divinely inspired and writen so well i can not fathom a world without it. I rarely comment but HTP has been my favorite show in ages sitting up there with gurren lagann. Keep it up man you guy's rock! Adding an edit to of course mention the mage live play god I can't get enough!!!
I really love how lore dumping in this series has been, with it genuinely being relevant to all the characters in each scenario and just the tension in this one with D trying to reveal just enough but not too much to entice Marckus is so tense and amazing. I feel like the direction where this expanding family drama is heading is more than likely going to be disastrous, but hopefully mitigated heavily because of Marckus taking Door's advice. We still have 2 more chapters to go and we're more than likely nowhere near the true low point.
And one last thing, love this series to death, has gotten me waaaaaaay to fascinated about WoD and I desperately need that itch scratched. So thanks and how dare you inflict this thirst for knowledge on me
I love the fact that Sir D covered for Kitten when Marcus was wondering how he knew about vitae
I absolutely love the first image we see of a Malkavian in the series. That image perfectly sums them up: demented.
I still love how Kitten's glasses become pointy and sharp when he's angry but are otherwise rounded
Very sneaky reference with the background audio at the 18:24 mark. I love it.
can anybody make out what was said?
@@jakeg-shep Nothing being said, just noise. It is the audio that plays when a player uses obfuscate in the 2004 game Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines.
While I can see both Markus and D's side of the argument, but I can't help think that Markus would be one those people who would go on forums and brag about how he would've used the Ring in Lord of the Rings without being corrupted.
Dr. Waters sounds like a character from Disco Elysium, and that is meant as a very high compliment.
Good lord, our cup runneth over. You sure have been pumping out content lately, not that i'm ever going to complain about that. Immaculate work!!
I'm realising something, Marcus and D are just staring at each other perfect even in static moments.
I like how they ask questions about Kevin and slowly learn how powerful he actually is
One thing no one has asked: why is skinny what’s his face still alive? A man was either torn to shreds or exploded yet he is left in one piece and the room suffered minimal damage. Whatever was done had to be extremely concentrated and was meant to draw them to that room. It’s the only reason to leave a person unharmed and confused. I suspect a form of obfuscation.
Oh it's obviously to set Spit up. Even if whatever killed Fatigue isn't the same creature, someone wants Spit to be blamed for this.
@ possibly. We have to assume that the ghoul and a vampire are both on the premises. The ghoul has to either be Spit, one of the staff, or Grimmel based on proximity and their access to areas of the building (air ducts and the security room). The vampire has to have been waiting inside the building waiting for a time to confuse the others, possibly in an effort to gain something inside the building… is it possible that the vault/safe wasn’t empty but already occupied by someone matching or someone?
If you would like, there _is_ another damning theory I can say. I’d say it sounds about right, so though it isn’t confirmed yet, I’m calling it spoilers-using-foreshadowing.
A theory is that Spit (the skinny guy) is actually a werewolf and he just accidentally killed fatague.
_D’ah,_ whatever, someone else said it so I may as well add details.
The first clue is Lord Fatigue’s specialty: “Scholar of Lycanthropy Lore.”
We can gather many things outside of this: Fatigue was a hunter worth his salt, going by word of mouth, he’s charismatic and comforting, like a therapist…and he’s an old man in a business with high casualties, so it’s even less likely he’s here by luck - He has an excellent handle on his skillset.
The second clue is in some of the backgrounds of Episode 4, around places where Spit seems to have been: Scratch marks etched into the wood, most apparent surrounding Spit when he’s freaking out, before being approached by our Lycanthrope expert.
One last clue that isn’t needed, but fits right in with a description offered by Big D during the breakfast episode…
“The Delirium,” a supernatural stress that takes hold of the average person who witnesses one of these primal warriors’ transformations. It can drive one mad, thrust them into desperate, frenzied attacks…
Or something more likely, judging by the screams - overwhelming witnesses with fear alone, absolutely terrified into flight, or just paralysis.
The next mysteries are who would be smart - no, _sapient_ enough to lock some poor sod in a closet before the shindig went down? What could even cause a werewolf to transform, other than a possible botch from Fatigue?
If this scene wasn’t made by mistake…then why?
3:04 that's because he did, clearly
At some point, Markus is going to learn about Horse and his untoward plans and how Big D's beloved bus transport will be ruined. Markus won't be able to get through on the telephone line and in a panic ingests a little vampire blood to break through the bus's intercom system to warn Big D...ruining the bus via magic short circuit anyway. Big D will be incensed and say if he wants forgiveness Markus will have to delete his contact list on team fortress 2, dropping contact from all his friends and family to focus on only what Big D wants, IE the Hunt and the upcoming fight against Horse. Markus, knowing that his online family is counting on him for an upcoming international game tournament refuses, and the bus seat he is supposed to inherit is something Big D will have to stay on forever as it slowly breaks down.
...hold on...
_I've read this before; _*_this is a classic!_* 🫠🤦😂😂😂
Goddamn even as a small kernel of HTP this has me GRIPPING MY SEAT IN POWERFUL ANTICIPATION. Hunter The Parenting brings powerful writing with just as equally powerful art and voice acting. Thank you for this amazing content
I love how with the added context of 3.7 you can really notice D fighting back the urge to bring up Anton as evidence for why he doesn't tell Marcus everything, probably because
1.) I'm guessing however Marcus forgot it, prodding that memory in any way would be a bad thing. Even setting aside the idea of lingering trauma, it could possibly attract the attention of whatever power Marcus tapped into. But assuming you either forget that for a second, or you know just telling him he made the situation with Anton worse wouldn't be that dangerous.
2.) Imagine how that would feel as a father. You lost a son on a hunt you brought him on and you were leading. To make things worse, another one of your children, your youngest at the time no less, the most innocent and vulnerable, using something you (unintentionally) gave him access to, tried to save their brother, but only made things worse for everyone. Where before at the very least the Fey seemingly intended on releasing Anton after a term of service, now he might be lost forever, or his time with them could be even worse then it would have already been. Now you're youngest is grown, he's a man now, even if part of you will never be able to accept that. Now you see him, and to you it seems like he's trying to make that same mistake all over again. All the while he's pestering you to open up, to give him more potential means of harming himself and the rest of the family. You know how this went last time, and you know how reminding him of that would hurt him. While part of you recoils from the idea of intentionally hurting your child, you also know how you could use that to beat him back, get him to drop this dangerous subject, even if only for a little bit. Part of you might even say it's for his own good, and for the good of everyone else, it isn't just Marcus who could get hurt if he mishandles this power as seen with Anton. Door, Boy, Kitten, their friends, other members of the family elsewhere. Imagine having that, and the temptation to hurt your own son in that way, even if you would never, imagine what even thinking about it would feel like.
So D wrote a paper on the subject, the lady read it, and now she's recounting it and Kitten's taking notes... The Circle is Complete! :D
This whole video really hightlights just HOW Dangerous Vampires as a whole are to normal humans.
Even a fairly young and inexperienced vamp and easily punch a hole in your chest or be so unaturally fast and your reflexes, no matter how good they are, just can't compete with it.
BUT it also does the opossite where it makes you think "man, if thats just begginer level stuff and older vamps get even crazier powers, then just how fucking badass and savage are the experienced hunters who go after said older vamps", Hunters are in the majority (with very notable exceptions) completly normal people who just happend to know things or have extraordinary skills and good contacts, they hunt shit that can make you're brain explode by just looking at you funny with nothing but brains, planning, improvising and sheer fucking grit.
TL;DR
Elder Vampires are scarry, but the Hunters that hunt those elders are perhaps even scarier.
The previously on section is so well done! If we get more like that in the future I certainly wouldn’t complain.
"Only if they're enamored with the carpathians" means "Koldunic sorcery can do it, but it's really not well advised because that magic is Tzimisce and may or may not be powered by earthbound demons."
I just got into this series and binged all of it and norfolk wizard game within a few days and i ALREADY get a new episode?? Yall are the best.
you guys are so amazing 😭you truly are making staying in this community worth it so much 😭💓