This took unforgivably long to make for a slew of various reasons including loads of disease, some awkward bottlenecks and the birth of a second child. We have done a lot of groundwork to prevent this from happening again for the next episode and future content, and hopefully it will work out in our favour, stay tuned! Thank you for your immense patience and we really, truly hope you enjoy... And, if you have any theories, please please please post them we would LOVE to read them.
I used to have this Kevin plush that I used to pour milk on and suck the milk back out of and it was sopping wet all the time i used to slam it against walls and it would make a loud thud
@@Drakon_Minaka5 edition doesn't like them. Or Sabbath for that matter... Or any vampire faction because they all have been ignored except for Camarilia who basically now crumbling.
@@Drakon_Minaka I'm in the camp of "There's still 40 years of material you can fall back on and mishmash fairly easily under an IP that offers free creative use, so go crazy with whatever you want to do."
The idea that the Marketable Kevin Plush tm is a canonical thing the Regent has done to fund themselves after Kevin left and screwed up their funding as a way of snubbing our vamp wizard is amazing.
And the best Part? Making Merchandise about yourself or another Vampire is considered by The Camarilla to be A HUGE Masquerade Violation. And based on what we know of her, the Regent is absolutely stupid enough to try and fix a mistake she made by making an even BIGGER mistake.
For everyone saying that Spit being a werewolf that just freaked and killed Fatigue is "too obvious" and "probably a red herring" just remember OCCAM'S razor. The obvious solution is more often than not the correct solution.
Counter point, though... As someone that's watched a lot of murder mysteries, Especially Danganronpa. It's never the person you suspect first, even then without the right amount of evidence it's more just pure guesswork rather then deduction alone.
@@ZombiefiedMinstrel Feel free to check my other comment for a big explanation on why I think spit is a Lycan of some kind, but in a situation like this it'd take too much fun away from things if any theory is brushed away by "that's just a red herring." Like yeah I'm sure there are a bunch of red herrings here, but how could we possibly know what is and isn't a red herring. I can say why I don't suspect certain people as much. And if I'm wrong, then it'll be a cool surprise to find out how I'm wrong, and the poppenang crew get to rejoice at another successfully bamboozled viewer.
@@danielturner9141 That wasn't what I was trying to imply, I don't believe throwing away a theory is necessary. I'm only saying that nothing is set in stone and that it's good to keep an open mind. Especially if we get more information about the body in the next video, even with what we've seen other stuff that points to a bigger picture later on.
@@ZombiefiedMinstrel no I get that I have kept a pretty open mind regarding all of this especially in my other comment. Lots of possibilities. But I think Occam's Razor is relevant here and I think Spit had a lycanthropy related freak out and killed Fatigue. I don't think this death is ghoul related. This comment was more just to make the joke of Occam's Razor
Something I just realized. "Your father couldn't take a hit like that!" means that Big D doesn't actually hit Blacklaw properly. He's just playfighting.
I just realized Brok is literally an orc on the core: Weird talking, brutish manner, green subtitles and he is a football hooligan, the idea that gave life to the orcs!
Upon rewatch I noticed something I missed. Fatigue is SO fucking polite, as he is introducing everyone it's all Sirs and Mister and Miss and Lady, but for Grimal he says "Grimal-kun-chama" AHHHHHH what a sweet old man. He goes out of his way to use japanese honorifics for the weeb.
That's how old people operate. They remembered the full addresses and phone numbers of ALL of their friends and families back in the day. Nowadays we're just too reliant on smartphones and personal contact profiles. And yeah, they really tend to care about people's own visions of themselves; so much so even to the point of using honofirics for a weeaboo, even though she isn't an Asian or anything (:
@@geberlanI fail to see how remembering addresses and phone numbers is in any way connected to going out of your way to use Japanese honorifics for a weeb (I think we can all agree that, especially for someone his age, it would be less a matter of remembering Grimal’s preferences and more of actually accepting them), but okay
@@jordinagel1184 Remembering adresses and etc. is for caring about and having a habit of keeping trivial information in their minds. Also using trivial details like honorifics to keeping young ones happy? To make them feel more valid? Think of it as a type of kindness towards them, against sharp and harsh truths of normal adult life...
Not to pull attention away from the *stellar* murder mystery going on, but Chekhov's gun usually doesn't take the form of several M60 machine guns affixed to a British double decker bus. I mean, fuck, what a sentence, right?
…Can Vampires initiate remote or timed self-destruct commands into their thralls/ghouls? Because if it WAS Fatigue, and his master commanded his self-termination, then everyone would be at each others throats trying to find a mole that’s already dead. The nature of the death points to this NOT being the case, but I feel like that kind of scheming would be a classic Camarilla stunt.
Alternatively, Spit’s still alive while Fatigue was mulched… Can Thralls/Ghouls operate under a Dr. Jeckel and Mr Hyde thing, where they have a second personality that awakens under certain circumstances? Because what better way to keep a mole hidden than to make sure they themselves aren’t fully aware of it?
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire based on the fact that ghouls suffer 'withdrawal' and he's apparently suffering from them and is violent and irritable, and based on the prior videos showing a vampire that starved herself accidentally slaughtering her entire family, and our favorite ghoul "Guy chapman" stating that vampire blood makes even the harshest narcotics tame by comparison, i'd wager spit is the most suspicious candidate for those alone, plus the blood and other stuff.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Dominate can’t cause someone to self end. Tremere invest a lot into their ghouls. Also the ghouls objective was the archive. They can’t deliver them if they die.
@@pixellordm8780 Withdrawal takes a long time to kick in from vitae. Also he doesn’t meet the symptoms. The ghoul they are searching for still had blood in their reservoir that night.
I genuinely think that Lord Fatigue was the Ghoul. He had access to the Archive, he has a pretty good reason to become a Ghoul, mainly to regain some of his old strength judging by the Picture, and in his mind it was better for him to be the Mole then anyone else. He cares about the Chapter and figured that few dead hunters to keep the rest of them safe was better than some other Ghoul ratting them all out and killing them all. Him playing double agent would also just further the idea of there being "Shades of Grey" within the world. He wanted his old strength & also wanted to protect his Chapter from Vampires, so he became a ghoul to throw off the vampires by only giving them nuggets of information just enough to keep the satisfied. His death was an unfortunate accident, with Spit being a Were-Wolf. He should know the signs of a possible were-wolf being a scholar of Lycanthrophy, and Spit was showing those signs and struggling against a "second voice". It would totally be in his best interest to keep him calm throughout all this to protect everyone in the chapter and not inform anyone to prevent further panic. As for why Spit didn't transform before this whole ordeal? Honestly think it's cause of Git's Rolls. I think it's safe to infer that the Rolls are weed & he was just high as shit constantly. Which seems on brand with the world.
I said so during the premiere, but I thought he was the ghoul, just on the grounds that he goes unaccounted for a few times, and that his death would’ve thrown the chapter house into disarray. I like your theory better though.
The ghoul’s master that we are concerned about is the woman that owns the supermarket, right? Someone who needed Kevin’s accounting skills. I don’t see anything tying her to Fatigue. There certainly COULD be something, but the portraits with young Fatigue, his design… I figured there would be some thematic link. I could see Fatigue strangling Occam; he wants the house to survive AND maintain the masquerade. Not help with some vampire supremacy. Well, part 2 of 4 will probably show a few more bits of backstory. Add details over why Fatigue’s death is upsetting at an individual level, and how he shaped the chapterhouse.
i would also like to add that it was mentioned in the pub chapter that fatigue is supposedly in bad condition health wise. yet he doesnt seem that out of it here.
my only problem with this theory is that if Fatigue was the ghoul, why wouldn't he already gotten the information on norfolk's hunters? It seems like he has had archive access for a very long time and Kevin had this information on there being a ghoul in the chapter house all the way back when he was in the Carmilla. If fatigue was the ghoul, he would have had a very large window of time to have stolen the information at any point. To me, the ghoul has to specifically be someone WITHOUT archive access for it to have been this long and for them not to have completed their mission by now. I will say though, I did find fatigue suspicious for how quickly he left to go get spit without even hearing about where he went. Though personally, I think this is was an intentional red herring and it was just a old person being old
Honestly besides just having access to the Archives someone with deep lycanthrope knowledge like Fatigue would be a pretty invaluable person to have as a Ghoul since vampires regularly have to deal with werewolves actively hunting and killing them.
My personal headcannons/crack theory is that Fatigue was/is the ghoul, and was knowlegable enough to feed his master useless facts or details that wouldn't have hurt the Hunter faction a whole lot, but his master got tired of this, or got spooked by Kevin's group disappearing, and started applying mental pressure to get more hard facts. As a senior member, he does have access, as a ghoul, he would be stronger then expected, and since Occam is his friend, he wouldn't go and kill him. I also think that Spit is dealing with a supernatural effect. Either a were-curse, picked up from a Hunt with his family, or something like someone commented further down, a voice that commands them kill the monster. Which leads to a bloody yet perfect storm as Spit, supernaturally charged, has a mental barrier break and literally rips apart Fatigue, the act of which turns off all short term memory as he's in survival mode, so when he snaps out of it, he's surrounded by blood and death, leading to a normal break down just as every one comes in
You can't pick up licantropy in WoD, werewolves are creations of Gaia and the only way you can become one are either being born as one or killing one and wearing their skin in a magical ritual that transforms you into a werewolf
To further add to this the other guy who is trapped behind the door says what did you do which could mean he is talking to spit and he might know about what his illness is
@@JohnnyShagbot To be fair, the books make it clear the First Change is a traumatic whirlwind of chaos and violence for most of the were-creatures, with some notable exceptions. Spit could be a Kinfolk going through the First Change. The only things against it are that he's fully clothed (were-creatures destroy any clothing they're wearing when they change without a special enchantment) and his age. Most of them change when they're in their late teens, maybe early twenties, but Spit is around 30 given that he and Markus went to school together. He could also be a Fomori, a human possessed by a spirit of corruption. They often (but not always) mutate severely and gain superhuman powers at the cost of being driven mad and effectively becoming controlled by their worst vices. Spit might have been turned unknowingly and manages it via copious amounts of medication, only barely able to keep himself in check as long as the meds keep flowing and he stays in low stress situations. Both conditions changing might have led to him snapping. What little we know of him doesn't rule out the possibility of such accidental corruption and his association with Brock would give him a decent enough outlet for some of his darker impulses, potentially being enough for him to function somewhat normally albeit not well.
It's a mark of the quality of Kevin's character that, even though he's barely in the episode and not even connected to the story at hand, he still gets one of the funniest lines in the whole video
So from the audio logs we also learn that the Hobbyshoppen is connected to Pentex (in a single Throwaway line) Pentex is the megacorp that’s pretty corrupt in WOD and is the owner of the demon burger chain O’Tolley’s. Now Kevin when seeing the merch ad refers to a “her” when ranting about the plush. The “her” in this case either being his sire or the lady regent. Between these two throwaway lines, I think the hobbyshoppen may be more than just a sponsorship deal for alfabusa and they may try and incorporate it into the lady regents plans for north Norfolk (somehow). Buts that’s just my theory.
Dunno about you, but I immediately suspected him still do actually! what if this ghoul who has vampiric super powers can manipulate what people perceive to basically fake his death (granted I dunno much about their powers in this universe) we are getting Aizen'd. we are getting souske'd. we are getting Aizen Souske'd ...damn bleach really gave me trust issues on whodunits
Now now, this could be a trick. Their are both magical spells and Vampiric disciplines that can be used to fake one's death. We literally can't trust anyone
@@larrytherustyboii7442I can almost see it, Door and Boy go out and get burgers, come home to find Kevin and Mr. Smerples, They almost fight at first but stop because of Boy and Mr. Smerples bonding.
I just realized Door mentioned taking Boy to O'Tolley's (8:27), aka, the place that *Puts Demons into their Cheeseburgers* (at least, according to the "Intro to World of Darkness" video this channel put out a while back). Something tells me Door and Boy are about to get into some Werewolf shenanigans...
Oh my god, the caveman, he looks like Big D. Am I glad he's frozen in there and we're out here and he's the Hunter and we're frozen out here and we're in there and- I just remembered! We're out here. What I wanna know is _where's the Ghoul?_
Not to mention in the same scene, the box that was used to hold Magnus the Red in the TTS series is shown as well. The backgrounds hold a lot of stories, and truths, me thinks.
A funny detail just occurred to me. All the Arcanum members/employees are wearing some kind of uniform. Grimal and Harry are in student style formal wear, the lads are in security outfits, and the maids are wearing cleaner’s clothes. And then Elise is still just rocking her big goth dress.
I love how this series captures the WoD vibe of "ordinary people getting involved in bizarre shit, but still being ordinary people under it all". Long standing family feuds, bumping into a member of your secret order while they work their day job at a convenience store, bickering over old lovers' quarrels, all while investigating vampiric infiltration.
Indeed! You have a guy off his meds getting comforted by an old man, a couple of fitness junkies doing workouts while they wait, and even a pair of maids complaining about unpaid overtime. All of which is incredibly mundane, normal stuff. Which is heavily, HEAVILY contrasted both by the hunt for the ghoul and by the utter evisceration of Fatigue.
17:26 I used to think it was weird that Kitten wore a blanket kilt. But in this scene it hit me. It’s an ode to the Captain General design. His weapon is even a ramshackle Bolt-Halbert.
Isn't that... like really obvious though? The names, the designs, most of them are references to TTS characters. I'd make a list of similarities, but it'd be too long. I'm pretty sure Kitten's ex being a weeb is a reference to the whole thing about TTS Kitten having a tau ex (cuz Tau are alien weebs, etc). So of course, whenever anything about how the characters are designed, their history, their abilities comes up, TTS is the first place you look for for reasons why it's that way. That's why Markus uses a blowtorch in episode 1, because it's the closest approximation of the fiery magic that Magnus would use.
@@tobiashagstrom4168 well consider this. Dorn is perpetually inside a Centurion Armored suit, but Door is just in Overalls. Magnus wears an ornate gold and silver outfit, but Marcus just wears a basic shirt, jeans and jacket. TTS Boy wears a traditional Vox Caster tunic, but HTP Boy just wears an orange sweater. Kitten is unique as his visual design is the most synonymous with his TTS counterpart than any other character, and I simply hadn’t noticed till this episode.
@@samdurfee6093 Well obviously they're not actually the same characters, and you're not going to expect them to have all the stuff from a sci-fi setting, but they still have obvious design similarities. Door still has short white hair, Marcus has long red hair, D still has long black hair, and Kitten never shows his face, etc. It's way more than enough for any viewer to be expected to pick up on the idea that these are spirtiual successors to the TTS characters, and so that's kind of the obvious place to start making connections whenever analyzing their manners and design, especially for stuff that doesn't make much sense normally.
I'm weirdly impressed with good ol' Slackjaw's abilities as a security guard. I mean, sure he's an absolute disaster once his dad takes the helm, but left to his own devices he's actually halfway competent. He was the first one to notice that Occam was taking far longer then expected and he was pretty effective at herding the crew upstairs when they heard all the screaming. Not bad for a guy with a single digit IQ.
Interestingly, he seems to be a decent dude raised in a terrible direction. It's never him who comes up with the stupid and dangerous plans, but rather his father who he follows. Left to his own whims, Slack actually wants everyone to be orderly and protected well until someone else inevitably does something incredibly dumb.
@@megam0nkey895 9.9, he gets the decimal for practical knowledge. If we could see his command skills at a football game that would probably momentarily put him at triple digits imo
That is what I love most about this episode. All the characters are crazy eccentric but they are also very competent. Even Blacklaw Sr. seems like he is both a decent fighter but also knowledgeable enough that he deserves his place in the chapterhouse. Big D leaps to the forefront because he is the biggest of big hams, but none of the characters are single note.
I love that Big D didn't sign the divorce paperwork, and Occam's response is simply to Brain Blast him. The sheer imagery of the attack and sound accompanying it is comedic gold
I think Occum was thinking, "I should have never gone to that _after work drinking party,_ and have a drinking contest. ESPECIALLY when there is a smashed city clerk in the same bar!
My God, you're right. Even right down to the "Go Raibh Mile Maith Agat!", something only an especially fed up teacher would shout at a class after delivering a lengthy lecture on them improving their behaviour.
Thank you for identifying the accent. No offense, but I couldn't determine if Occam was Irish or Welsh. I'm a typical American, and I wouldn't know the difference in accents if i took a 4 year course on different languages. 😅😅😅
@@thewhompingwampa2671 For those of you playing the home game, that phrase is the Irish equivalent of a rather sarcastic *"thank you **_VERY_** much!"*
I think Spit is a werewolf, BUT that does NOT mean Fatigue was a ghoul. I think Fatigue (a werewolf expert and a nice man, perhaps one who wouldn't just go and out Spit in front if a bunch of PROFFESSIONAL HUNTERS) was genuinely trying to keep him calm, but the combination of the stress and the ritalian withdrawals (as someone who takes similar stuff to ritalin, yes, it DOES happen if you forget even for one day!) caused him to have an episode that ended with Fatigue tragically killed. The ghoul didn't have dick to do with it, it was just that the lockdown coincidentally created this situation! As for the real ghoul, I'd call it a 50/50 between the cleaning lady and the doctor.
So I have a few theories 1.Grimal is the ghoul. In the Pub episode she mentions that she climbes into the vents to listen to the meetings and she's in the security room, **The most ventilated room** when they go to Occam. My theory is that she snuk into the vents and choked out Occam. Only problem with this theory is that she couldn't have killed Fatigue. 2.Matilda is probably either a kinfolk or a werewolf. Her angry and hostile demenour is similar to how werewolves were usually portrayed in WtA (from what I remember). Also notice her namecard, its like she's too angry to properly write down her name. She most likely just pissed that she has to do extra work for no pay 3.Spit is an Imbued. My theory is that Spit is not a ghoul, but an imbued, aka an actual reckoning hunter. Those selected by the Messengers tend to become insane overtime. I belive that he's not going through vitae withdrawal nor is he trying to not hulk out and become a werewolf, what's happening is that the Messenger is currently screaming in his head for him to find ank kill the ghoul but its too much for Spit and he's being overwhelmed.
I have considered Grimal being possible as the ghoul as not only is she interested in vampire-adjacent studies (Kuei-Jin) it would also make a narrative sense as it wouldn't be the first person Kitten was close with (was it his gf who died or something?) who got tangled up with vampires. Though she is kinda cooky and not sure how reliable she'd be as a mole.
@@JigglyJig It's also kind of implied that his family may have been killed by something. D tells Kevin he inherited the house after "some horrible tragedy" and Kitten also implies that at least his parents are dead when he's chatting with Door in the Horse audiolog.
I think there is something that adds to this theory. Looking at the wide shot of everyone at 10:36, Grimal looks absolutely miserable and terrified, while everyone else is either looking at Occam or each other, Or doing writing stuff down in Kittens case.
i like the theory that spit is an imbued. To me, the old man seemed a little too smart/calm through out the ordeal and was being rather helpful. My guess is that the old man was gonna kill Giles and blame it on spit since he's acting crazy but Spit gives in to the Messenger and brutally kills the old man to make the voices stop
@theturnc0at Good. Now, Kevin can start his plan for global domination. His first order of business when he's in charge is to get tts back on screen. The first episode when it returns needs to have Shadowsun revive her boyfriend on Mars. 😏😏
Some things I noticed that I don't see others talking about: 1:01 a head on top of the back left bookcase during the brawl. It is gone when Occam enters the room. The next time we see one, they're in the archive. The difference is... this one is smiling, and has a curved, pointed nose. 1:18 a loose panel with claw marks in the ceiling of Occam's office. 5:33 Elise's ID has the word Brother crossed out and replaced with Sister in newer ink. But Grimal also has Brother. The only other female member has Doctor instead. Do they not have Sister cards? 5:40 The good doctor is a specialist in psychotropic substances. Drugs that affect a person's mental state. Obviously this might just be an allusion to her cocaine habit but she might also have a hand in Spit's deteriorating mental health. 6:39 Occam never actually shows us his card. His hand covers most of it and what we can see is illegible. 18:50 those same distinctive claw marks on the doors of a cupboard in the Bar. The doors are ajar. 22:21 Based on the movement and events, Kitten went to the Conference room to cool off after leaving the kitchen. Grimal went into the music room, Elise met her and they both went to the security room... with Matilda. Fatigue went to the staff room instead of downstairs where Spit was. Which is directly above Occam's office. 24:24 More scratches on the door to the cupboard under the stairs. Also Big D was hiding under the stairs? 30:07 There's more figures with the long noses in the portrait. One of them that looks like it's getting ready to attack a young Occam. Also is that a Young Big D?! 35:31 This scene is a mess, but here's the thing. That wolf statue? Has a suspicious amount of blood around it's mouth and paws, definitely hints at a werewolf attack. Also the cupboard with the scratch marks, the door of which was previously ajar, is now closed. We're missing a lot of info though. We haven't seen any of the rooms on the third floor, nor have we seen the inside of the storage room, the 2nd and 3rd floor hallways or the security room. My current theories: the scratch marks are indicators of the hidden passageways that Occam mentions in the archive. None of them lead to the archive, but it means that individuals can enter and leave the rooms with them in without being seen. It also implies that something with 3 very sharp claws is inside the chapter house. Not something I'd expect from a ghoul. Leading to theory 2. There is more than one "imposter". Ulterior motives are abound, but there is a chance the attack on Occam, the murder of Fatigue and the Ghoul aren't all related. The weird wooden masks with the long noses and the blue robes intrigue me because at least one of them appears to be *alive*. Occam may very well have been attacked by something that was already inside the archives. Theory 3: Big D knows how to get into the penis explosion room.
Those masks are Blanc Moussi, festival costumes from the Belgian town of Stavelot used to celebrate the 4th Sunday of Lent. Festivities also include throwing confetti and hitting people with inflated pig bladders.
Something I'll note that you hadn't listed, likely as it was too obvious, it seems Elise stole the keys, the wallet and the smokes, gave the smokes to Amanda (you see them in the kitchen) which means that she has the keys to the security and staff areas. Notably, Grimal shouldn't have access to the security area, which implies that Elise handed the keys to Grimal. I don't believe Matilda was with them, she just has access to the security room already (and probably smokes there often enough, as it's "the most ventilated room", hence why she'd know). I'd bet the security room doesn't have any secret passages leading to it, which means that it's likely the one place our infiltrating werecreature hadn't gone. One thing to note as well: Elise went downstairs after everyone split up. I find it likely that Elise is the Ghoul, it's mentioned in another comment that it's probable that Spit is Imbued (it explains the psychosis, especially considering his backstory of having had his family murked by a supernatural threat in all likelihood) but resisting the call (so still affected by Delirium from the werewolf attack) and that it was Elise that choked out Occam in the Archives, having had the time to sneak in there. There are however many threads left untouched and too many open ended motivations. The reason why Spit isn't a Were is because his clothes should've been torn apart if he transformed. The werecreature had plenty of reason to attack Fatigue, as he's an expert in Lycanthropy (so the were is just cleaning up a 'security breach', I'd bet the were is a Shadow Lord, likely a Ragabash (trickster) that has taken advantage of the situation at hand to deal with threats within the Arcanum). I find it unlikely Fatigue or the Doctor is the Ghoul, as they have direct Archive access and so wouldn't have needed to wait for a crisis, which very much is what the Ghoul did, as the Camarilla is unaware of the Hunter presence within Norfolk and hasn't connected the dots enough to make any moves. Elise also already showed significant larceny skills, so it's likely that during the confusion, she stole the keys from Fatigue (who's likely to be very imperceptive due to advanced age) to attack Occam, strangle him and steal the information. She's notably also tall and powerful enough to reliably strangle Occam without trouble, especially with a dot of Potence from being a Ghoul.
As tragic as the end of TTS was I am very glad it allowed this new series to bloom. One big thing was how this new setting allowed the animated to come into it's own, unconstrained by 40k concept art and thematics.
Okay, woah woah woah, can we take a step back here; Slackjaw senior has successfully hunted _Werebears?!_ Never mind the morals of that, this man has killed the single greatest base level threat that can be reliably encountered, presumably alone or with a small group, and not just lived but succeeded. Doing that _once_ is the kind of thing an elder vampire would use as the feather in their cap for eternity, yet this guy has just casually been hunting them for sport like it's nothing. Okay, dude's a legit badass.
I don't know, for a man who has allegedly hunted werebears, he sure seemed rattled by Fatique's gory remains. He's a formidable man in his own rights, but a mere man taking on a werebear sounds like a tall tale.
I mean, his sworn rival has (supposedly) hunted a methuselah before. Im tempted to trust neither of these characters with their assertions, assuming that there is something that they're not telling us (Be that a complete fabrication, or rather just a half truth), but either way, Both are kinda stupidly insane feats to be struggling with a ghoul.
I feel like he just thinks he's hunted werebears, and instead all he's done is kill either regular bears or the human Kinfolk that the werecreatures keep around for mating purposes.
@@Yormolch The first episode where Slackjaw and his frienss appeared with the bar episode,where Marcus threatening to break his stool scared him due to being something from his family
One thing I find interesting is the fact that whoever attacked Occam, knew about his Solar Sorcery techniques. If Occam was indeed attacked from behind, then the culprit already knew they couldn't take him head-on, especially since we see how easily Solar Sorcery can incapacitate Big D. The fact that the culprit specifically targeted his throat, and no other parts of Occam's body, means that they also know how Solar Sorcery works and that it requires proper breathing to use. So this ultimately narrows down the potential suspects to those who are aware of Occam's mastery of Solar Sorcery.
Brokham was surprisingly good. Not the thug/guard duty but the moment he heard trouble he focused on dropping all grudges and doubts to focus on aiding whoever might be in danger. These are normal people in abnormal times and it shows in both the humor... And the horror of it all. We have a ghoul, suspects, and if rumors are to be believed... We may also have a werewolf to make matters worse.
I don’t think you’ve properly conveyed the danger our protagonists are in. The Garou are one of the few supernatural beings in the World of Darkness who could survive a full on masquerade collapse. If humans devoted all of their military might toward the singular unified goal of fighting back against the Garou, they would _still_ be destroyed. And this is just _one_ of them
Characters in WOD are generally that. Characters. Brokham is a dimwitted brute, a bully, and a thug. But he's not a monster. Even he has redeeming qualities. He sees his two hangers on as friends, has a sense of pride in his family (which is one of the reasons he has a chip on his shoulder) and genuinely cares about, and listens to, his father.
Yknow the first time Remold was brought up I expected a random old man that just used his position to make the family’s life miserable, but making him a mirror to D’s insanity and physical power was an absolutely genius move that adds so much to this series
So my theory is this, -Matilda, she snatches keys off of people, has a low profile as one of the maids, she reacts strangely to Occam being choked out compared to her colleague Amanda she not shocked, shes mad for some reason, she might be our ghoul. -Spit however seems to be a werewolf, that's why Fatigue had such a great interest in him, and sadly, killed him in his confusion. Big D realizes this, I don't think he gets shocked by gore and death or even a ghoul but the thought of being closed in with a werewolf sure does. -Dr Waters seems suspicious but as she stated before, she didn't really gave a duck to begin with. But after they found Occam unconscious she seems to be worried. I have a hunch she's the ghoul, she worth to be made a ghoul. Shes high ranking and has access to the Archive perfect person to corrupt.
I agree, but I would like to point out Spit seems to be a victim of Delirium at the end. That or this is his first change and, by nothing short of a miracle, he resisted going into his full warform and subsequently became a Lunatic.
The thing that innocents Dr. Waters, imo, is exactly that she's high-ranking. If the Ghoul was already a high-rank, there'd be a mass blood hunt from Hunters all over Norfolk already ongoing, since she has Archives access. But I do agree that we likely have 2 threats: the Ghoul, shown to be more careful and cunning, or at least merciful, due to not actually killing Occam, only knocking him out; and the Garou, most likely Spit, somewhere on the edge of sanity and of his warform, the true threat that, now, even the Ghoul most know must be dealt with.
@@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 My money is on Elise. We know the ghoul can't have archive access since if they did they would be able to gain the data and leave the chapter house. Elise is unaccounted for both the assault on occam and the murders. She's stealing keys and cigs most likely to control the movements of amanda and grimal. She DOES have access to the office where Dr. Waters was, either taking her access or commanding to do so.
Okay, damn, this is some serious mystery. But, to be honest, Grimal is quite suspect, as well as Elise to a lesser extent. In the "Marckus Goes Pubbing with his Weirdo Friends" audiolog, it is mentioned that Grimal crawls around in the vents to listen in on the old guard speaking about vamps. Then, in this episode, on 11:30 , behind the frozen caveman, we can see a vent, and vents clearly need to go somewhere, even if it's refrigerating, or at least I think so. Next, we see a map, where Grimal-kun-chama is in the security room, to which she isn't supposed to have access. But, at least two people she is friendly with have access: Harry, who can be discounted since he is constantly with someone else and presumably still has the keyring with which he opened the storage room to lift weights, and Elise, who has stolen keys from Giles, who *can* open the security room with his access level. Immediately later, Matilda tells Son-in-Law that "Security room's the most ventilated room in the building." Plus, Matilda might as well have a set of stolen keys, but we can also see her with Git's stolen cigs, which were pocketed by Elise again. Perhaps an exchange took place? Also, what is notable is that Elise is readjusting her new hairtie. Since the beginning, she wore a green one, until 24:21, where we can see a blue one instead, until the end of the episode. Curiosly, when we see Grimal again, for almost every single time she is on the screen since they find Occam unconscious, a green band can be seen around her hand, even in some barely perceptable frames, like when Marckus rushes to rescue her. And it again is visible as far as the scene of Brok breaking down the door. Overall, Grimal behaves quite suspiciously, her and Elise both. But, honestly, the skills of Ogre Poppenang team make almost everyone seem extremely suspect, I can't wait to see the next episode, whenever it might come!
You know, i first thought it was Waters or Git. But after rewatching a few times, there are some VERY suspect moments for Grimal. First is during the meeting; first is when Occam describes the ghoul and Amanda says “vampiric?” We see everyones faces, Grimal’s face is the only one that expresses “oh shit did i just get found out?” Also, when Occam says “it will come in flame” look at everyone in the room. Most are focussed or bored or angry in Matilda’s case, but Grimal has a look of unquestionable existential fear. When Occam also tries to see if the ghoul is a traitor or victim, Grimal’s face shows regret and sadness. No one else shares that expression. Next is when they’re in the archives, everyone is staring ahead while walking with Occam. Grimal is looking around intently but secretly, eyeing the bookshelves where presumably the data is.
Betcha@@heftyordinanceindividual4015 that they won't appear till the final twenty minutes of the fourth episode of this arch! Bit like Door rocking up in his EOTech gear from the good ol "Mining Days" and a 44 Magnum at the end of the first arch.
I just love how well-written this is. Everyone's saying their theories about who's the ghoul and the episode makes it so any of them could be true. Masterful stuff. Also it's Horse. Horse is the traitor.
It's actually Elise >She steals the keys, wallet and phone from Git >She trades them with the maids for access somewhere near Occam >She's last seen near Occam on the map when he was found >She dissapeared RIGHT before Fatigue exploded It's really subtle, but the hints are all there!
@@gae_wead_dad_6914 Smart! I know I'm late as hell for this but I think Grimal is the mole sadly. As was stated when kitten was discussing with the staff. The room with the best ventilation for the building was the security office. Grimal was in the security office and the only way someone could've gotten to Occam past the archive door is through the ventilation. The lie detector as well provides a clue, while we do see Blacklaw as simply a irresponsible sadist, it does not mean he is a complete fool. He is clearly experienced and responsible enough to be in a position of high enough authority and while Grimal was strapped to the detector, he noted how "suspiciously high" her conductivity was. More than that Grimal appears to be less...mentally healthy compared to Elise. I do not mean that in regards to her personality, or obsession with Japanese culture, but the fact that when she discussed her former relationship with Kitten. His words seem to sting extra hard and show that she may not have completely healed over what happened. Now in regards to her personality though it is the complete opposite of what many think a ghoul's is. Energetic, animated, and playful at times. A perfect disguise truth be told!
7:30 I just noticed that Brock doesn’t have the backdrop for the chair like the others, because he’s sitting on his family heirloom stool from the pubbing episode ☠️
Just realized that it makes sense Markus thought his dad was torturing Elise - as far as he knows,, this is how D got information from Kevin. D's thendency to keep cards close to his chest came back to bite him three times (other two being omitting information about Disciplines and Kevin's driver's license) in this episode.
We know from Kevin’s episode that charm is a big part of D’s interrogation technique. By having Elise do his hair, he was drawing her in and getting her to lower her guard. She was probably singing like a canary before he was interrupted. But this is another time when D’s reticence backfired on him. If he’s going to lead this family then they need to be able to trust him, and that’s hard when he keeps important information to himself.
@@AnIdiotsLanternThing is, with the things D knows, and he probably knows a LOT, letting stuff slip like that might potentially endanger his entire family. You have to keep in mind, he has two sons, one married, and one with a child of his own, that is a lot of pressure on a hunter of his caliber.
D was in a calm room situation with Kevin and also A VAMPIRE using such a omlette on Elise would ether kill her or make her throw up and D knows this said it himself also it would just make him less trust worthy if remold was just a bit more smart he would have agreed.with kitten also how fucking tall is Brock to hold kitten off the ground with one arm!
They had to remove Door from the equation cus if they hadn’t none of this none sense would have happened. He would have barred everyone in the archive and the ghoul would have been caught immediately
@@xanmontes8715 torture's fault is not a lack of information but an excess of it. who knows if they are telling the truth or not? most of the time they would just say anything to make the pain stop
@@techpriest2854 Yep, the CIA's done a lot of research on this and they've found torture actually drastically decreases the quality of information gained for two reasons. First is that if the tortured person genuinely doesn't know the information you're trying to extract they'll say whatever they think you want to hear to make it stop, giving you bad information, like you said. Next is that someone who does know what you want to know is more likely to lie or take it to their slow painful grave since the torture confirms their existing bias against the torturer and gives them spite as a motivator to not break or to feed the torturer info just wrong enough to cost them dearly.
@@xanmontes8715 Lol, it wouldn't be for torture. Just practicality. No need for a murder mystery if everyone's barred in the same room and Door's outside with a gun.
3:02- 3:09 - Occam’s little ‘mhm’ when D says he didn’t sign their divorce papers is the perfect encapsulation of what I reckon their entire relationship was like. Just one absolute ripped golden nutcase of a man coming out with the most insane take on something and his stylish long-suffering silhouette of a husband taking a second to process it and then going ‘yes, unfortunately that does appear to be what’s happening here and I don’t know why I expected anything else’. Beautiful. Stunning. I love these two and I need to see ALL OF THE LORE. An audiolog or a short, I beseech you!
Can we talk about how much the Ogre Poppenang crew is improving in terms of style, animation and voice acting? It's genuinely impressive, considering these are basically fan-funded projects
Fuck the anime, this was better, i want to say more and give the proper speech/blo w Job to this chapter but, im latín american so....i gonna see this episode a lot of times.
@@glimmer6819 Occam's Razor, also known as the principle of parsimony, is a problem-solving and reasoning principle attributed to the medieval philosopher and theologian William of Ockham (1287-1347). The principle states that among competing hypotheses or explanations, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. In other words, when faced with multiple explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest one is usually the most likely to be correct. Occam's Razor is not a law of logic or a scientific principle in itself, but rather a heuristic guideline often used in science, philosophy, and various fields of inquiry to guide the selection of hypotheses or explanations. It suggests that unnecessary or extravagant assumptions should be avoided in favor of simpler explanations, as they are more likely to be correct and are easier to test and verify.
I think the Doctor is the ghoul. We don't see her with anyone else except in group shots, she has access to the archives, and her office is in a place where almost no one would have seen her leave and move down to the first floor. She also appeared remarkably quickly once Occam was found unconscious- even before the rest of the group arrived once they heard Markus, Brock, and Harry making a ruckus. Also it's super weird how all the other character turned gray as soon as she appeared on screen. Maybe the sign of a discipline being used? Like other comments have said, Spit is probably a werewolf. Whether his erratic behaviour is being caused by Ritalin withdrawal, being about to turn, or some combination of the two (such as stress due to the withdrawal), he and Git were the only ones in the room with Fatigue. Interesting to note however, that werewolves do have some ability to detect other supernatural beings.
yeah, was thinking (some of) this as well while rewatching Fatigue is the only other person with archive access that could've done it (Remold either fighting D or torturing people) also, the old man was a _lycanthropy_ expert, so he would've known to look for signs of Spit turning, hence why he locked Git out and protect him
I agree that the Doctor is the Ghoul. Her eyes were darting left to right when Lord Fatigue was listing the suspects. And when she mentioned Disciplines being vampire magic, she was looking askance or to the side as well. Everyone else, when accused of being a suspect, looked more startled than anything.
@@Galwayshade Her reactions is pure circumstancal speculation. If she was a ghoul then wouldn't the hunters of norfolk all be compromised a long time ago?
@@TheMovieCave she might not have passed on the info until the time is right or until the order from above came through. Just because you have access to info on your foe doesn't mean you should act on it immediately. She could have served her masters better by being their eyes and ears in the Arcanum.
@@alfabusa I think I cheated by living right next to it for many years. I absolutely adore everything about H:TP, but the little Norfolk Easter eggs make my day. 💚
Elise is a an easy favorite. Not only does she have a great design, but any person who sees family of her friend break into her place of work, beat up her coworker, and decides to JOIN IN, is the best kind of friend to have.
I think it’s Spit, but instead of a Ghoul he might be a Werewolf who just went through his First Change. Ghouls can’t deal that much carnage. And Fatigue’s member card said he was a Scholar of *Lycanthropy*, so him being first victim can’t be a coincidence. Git will probably remember nothing from Delirium.
I did genuinely have a feeling that this could be the case. This is still 'Part 1 of 4', though, and we have no idea how much of that time is going to be spent in the Chapter House.
Admittedly idk how this actually affects WoD lycanthopes, but this did make me realize that, with it being such a beautiful mood-setting backdrop, I hadn't notice at first that there is in fact a full moon on full display for the first minutes of this episode.
According to lord Fatigue; Kitten, Amanda, Markus, Dr. Waters, Lady Elise, Mr. Spires, Mr. Oakley, Grimal-kun-chama, and himself were not tasked with carrying the box. Leaving Remold, Big D, and Harry as obvious contributors, but also Matilda Wilde weirdly enough. While we don't see her on the stairs after the safe falls, the safe actually bursts through the railing before falling, and she is seen closest to where it broke through. The reasonable part of me is thinking that she was helping by giving directions to the lifters, the unreasonable part of me is shouting "ay yo, why is she so damn strong, and why does no one care?"
No I think you’re on to something. There’s something going on with her and Elise I think. We see a pale hand stealing Giles stuff and Elise is acting off in a few scenes, but then it’s Matilda that ends up with his smokes. Not quite sure what to make of that but I haven’t seen anyone else point it out
I was looking to see if anyone else mentioned that! It would make sense that four strongest people in the chapter house were the ones carrying it, two at each end (D and Remold at the front, Brok and Harry at the rear), and Matilda does not exactly fit that equation of "who was there carrying the box". Also, one could latch to the fact she calls the infighting "pathetic", which COULD be dismissed as just her jaded outlook and irritation; but if she WERE a ghoul trying to not get caught, this would be a nice covert gloat of "these are the people trying to catch me?" However, one could argue she wouldn't exactly be able to give any directions, not to D and Remold - the box literally got dropped because both of them were trying to take charge of the carrying in the first place. Doesn't mean she wasn't even trying, though - maybe D and Remold were just too bullheaded to listen to her? Remold, after all, is an utter classist who wouldn't let a lowly maid command him, and D wouldn't stand Remold trying to command HIM and also was kinda prideful and trying to seize initiative in the first place.
@@devonl.7010 the doctor is also one of 3 people besides Occam with archive access Remold was either fighting D or torturing someone, Fatigue was around Spit most of the time, and the only times she appears are when everyone's gathered somewhere not only that, she appears very quickly when they find the unconscious body of Occam
@@zacariasdelalcazar8873 it's pale, chubby, with black nails, AND it has a long black sleeve that only Elise has. not only that, but you can see Elise with one of Git's rolls between her teeth immediately after. she definitely was the one who initially swiped them.
28:14 I love the look down D gives to Markus during this bit. It’s like after all the time he’s spent trickle feeding information to his sons to avoid them knowing too much, it seems he really doesn’t wish to give this knowledge out. Considering it means his son here would know more about vampires and increase the danger he’d be putting him in. But knows he has to
This might be the absolute last thing that's important to focus on, but my heart breaks for Grimal and her drama with Kitten. Their whole argument about him being free and out of the arcanum, "You should be happy!", that's not her whining about something she doesn't understand, it's clear as day Grimal wants him to be in a better place than when he was with her. More, it *just* hit me that Grimal is just as (if not more) broken about her trauma than Kitten, and blaring FotNS music could be a coping mechanism, white noise to quiet out a very *loud* brain. And that's what she was trying to do for Kitten: help him cope and struggle through shared experience. But when he found both other outlets (video games) and another, healthier partner to rely on (Marckus) Kitten _turned_ on Grimal, seeing those hurt attempts at care as just selfish or "weird" quirks of an ignorant girl. At least that's my take. I don't expect her and Kitten to get back together in any capacity, but *damn* if I don't feel bad for her when Kitten (understandably, but probably _wrongly)_ calls her out like that. Please don't take Harry or Elise from her babygirl deserves the world.
Im honeslty worried that Harry is the Ghoul OR possibly a Werewolf (if the ongoing theory of a werewolf in their mist isnt false). We dont see much of him but i could be mistaken.
@@peterwhite6415 Yeah it could be possible ? He appears to only be your average joe but that would actually be a really good cover. Along with the fact that he does not want to get involved in fights (audio drama at the bar), perhaps he wants to hide his inhuman strengh ? Then again, those are really small clues and kind of a stretch when others have appeared way more suspicious in this episode lol
Everyone here has really well written mental illnesses, traumas and coping mechanisms. Everyone is trying their best, and that's what makes it feel special. In a world that focuses so much on how people can become monsters, or become heroes, its an important aspect.
I believe the ghoul, whoever they may be, is NOT responsible for the butchering of Fatigue. The ghoul strangled Occam, who was alone in a room for around two hours, to the point of unconsciousness. Seeing how the ghoul could have easily murdered him, I think they are, genuinelly, not happy with this current circumstance and still considers the arcanum members friends and colleagues, resorting to the minimum level of violence necessary to not get discovered and leave the building free. And then Fatigue gets turbo murdered, with innards and pieces of the nice and caring old man splattered across the room like a flimsy card castle facing a tornado. This level of violence seems completely agaisnt the ghoul's previous attack, more akin to that of a wild beast. It's also notable how, amidst the savagery, Spit seems to be completely unharmed and the other guard is locked away from the massacre, seemingly not of his own volition, meaning that the murdered just committed a heinous attack and then left two possible witnesses alone for no reason... Seeing how someone has theorized that Spit may in fact be some sort of werecreature fighting back a transformation, I'm going to up the ante. Fatigue, being a specialist in lycanthrope lore, knew to some degree what was happening and was trying to help spit keep the beast at bay since having to deal with a ghoul among us and a werecreature survival horror would spell disaster. In fact, I believe Fatigue is the one that locked Git away in his last moments, as Spit was transforming to keep him safe. Why didn't he say anything? Well, the ghoul could be anyone, and if they knew there was a man on the brink of transforming into the world's most convenient distraction, you can bet they were going to take advantage of it.
just wanna put it out there, one of the staff ladies, whose last name is Wilde, never shows her hands, seems really not chummy with anyone, and said: "pays not good enought". Was not with any of the known groups at the time of the attack
Who could forget such lovable characters as: Dad Demperor of Dadkind Cat Wonder Redheaded Stepface Dorn Meat Child Screaming Wizard Horse Lupercal KRAAAKUS Officer Balls Norf Lad The Simulacrum of Japanese Pop Culture Goth Titania Warboss Manchesta Retail Ghoul Sputum The Fuming Dutchman And Oculus Imperia as Himself This is gonna be a blast.
Notice how grimaline gets annoyed when kitten refers to her by her full legal name and than grimaline smiling when fatigue refers to her as "grimal-kun-chama"
Here's a theory based on breadcrumbs from other episodes: 1. The ghoul was inserted quite some time ago, given that the information is from Kevin when he was still with the Regent. 2. The Regent and co. know nothing about D and his family, which means the ghoul doesn't know them either. Therefore, the ghoul entered the chapter house after D's exile. (Ironically, Blacklaw kinda saved D by also banning all his works thus limiting info the ghoul can gather on him) 3. Brok, Spit and Git are all new hires, as Grimal doesn't know who they are during the pubbing incident. Based on Point 2 we can deduce that the Occam, Blacklaw, Marckus's friends are not the ghoul because they have long known D and family are hunters. Based on Point 1 and 3 we can remove Brok, Spit and Git. This leaves Amanda, Matilda, Dr Waters and Fatigue. Fatigue we can rule out as the swole paintings of him show he has been at the chapter house for a long time. Amanda we can maybe rule out as she knows Kitten is "nice", which leads me to think she was here before D's exile. Dr Waters is an elder which suggests she's been here a long time, but we have no information on exactly how long. Matilda's kind of an unknown, but we know she doesn't know Kitten. Of course, Point 2 assumes that the ghoul would pass all the information about hunters to the regent. How much self control would a ghoul have? If they can willingly refrain from providing information then Point 2 falls apart (for example, if Grimal, Harry or Elise is the ghoul and was able to not report D's family to protect Marckus and Kitten, or Occam protecting D).
Mmm, I think its more implied they burnt all the works that Big D *contributed* to the Arcanum rather than his personal details. Keeping track of hunter activity is still their M.O so I doubt Occam would want that deleted. Plus, its possibles the details have been inside the archives for a while, but are only now being stolen because of the deadline, or that while people *knew of D* they didn't know his address It could also be that Kevin knew a Mole was *going* to be planet, which I'll admit is a weaker arguement but still a possibilty.
Great theory somethings to account for episode 1 they are being followed by a vampire the fiddler 28 mins in and so the camarilla have some info on the family but how much is left be said
Man, it's been a hot minute of the mostly purely audio-focused inbetween episodes and MAN the sheer jump in animation quality from the first arc to this one is phenomenal. Knocked it right out of the god damn park.
*FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS I LAY DORMANT, WHO HAS DISTURBED MY-* Oh, it's Bruva Alfabusa and he has returned with a new episode of Hunter the Parenting. Glorious.
Ah, another immortal being, what a surprise. I thought i was the last one... Damned to exist as the living embodiment of madness and rage... It appears however, that I'm not alone anymore!
Me seeing this video come out: "Damn, 40 minutes, such a long video!" Me after watching a 40-minute video without dragging my eyes off the screen: "I need longer videos."
It saddens me that Door and Boy were pushed aside for this episode, but this also means we might be getting an audio log with them, which makes me very happy
Yeah, Plus they have a very specific dynamic together. Boy is very frequently the most vulnerable Target, while Door has arguably similar strength to an uninjured Marcus, if not more. D and company having too much of a numbers game can hurt the tension. Plus, Door and Boy are precious together.
Only 2 minutes in and im BLOWN away by how good the art and animations has become! I've been glued to my screen trying to keep track of EVERYTHING and im taking my shot at the suspect! First off Spit is a red herring, dude is probably just suffering from hangovers or withdrawal from something else. Then i thought Giles and that his bloody smokes were infused with something that affected the minds of everyone smoking them, but Elise and Matilda who were the only one smoking them didn't show any signs. Then i thought it was weird how Matilda suddenly acquired the smokes after Elise pilfered them from Giles. Matilda went to the kitchen before the smokes were even pilfered, and Elise headed up the stairs towards the security room to get Grimaline, so she never passed by the Kitchen where Amanda and Matilda were located. She only appears near it when she meets up with Kitten who's leaving the Kitchen after talking with Amanda and Matilda. Furthermore Matilda helped carry Occam from the archives to his office which is located right next to it, meaning she was on the second floor while the interrogation was happening in the Conference Room, where the violent screams could be heard. Finally blood withdrawal in ghouls caused visible symptoms according to Occam, meaning that smoking a blunt could help take of the edge of those symptoms and who knows what's hidden beneath those yellow cleaning gloves Matilda was wearing the entire time. The final scene in the Pub locates Giles in the Pub Toilet which is locked apparently, while Spit and the deceased Fatigue are out in the open. From the building blueprint and the viewer's perspective that leaves the door leading to the Hallway as the only escape route where the culprit doesn't run into the gathering group outside the pub door, which is located right next to the top of the 1st floor stairs. So unless they hid themselves in the closet located in the Pub (Which was opened before) or the Recreational Room there is a good chance they're on the 3rd floor. So while im suspicious of Matilda, due to the aforementioned reasons, there is a flaw in my thinking because of the fact that she was with everyone else as the Pub door was kicked in, meaning she probably was with Dr. Waters and Harry the entire time, so unless the culprit used vampiric disciplines to confuse or manipulate the minds of those they were together with, i don't see how anyone could move around unnoticed. Additionally the murder most likely took place right after Elise, Markus and Big D left the recreational room and headed towards the Conference Room to confront Blacklaw and Brok, which puts 8 persons in the Conference Room, 4 in Occam's Office, and 3 in the Archives, although Giles, Spit, and Fatigue moved to the Pub sometime during the Brawl in the Conference Room. So in conclusion, i think it's a third party that's at play here, especially because Elise was about to mentioned something to Big D she noticed while getting Grimaline before she was cut off by Markus storming into the room. Additionally there were scratch marks on the Pub Closet doors and the Chamber beneath the stairs which Big D popped out off, meaning they could've been used as hiding spots while people moved around the building. Someone could've moved from the Harry Potter stairway chamber into the Archives to Choke out Occam, before moving into the Pub closet where they remained hidden until Spit and Fatigue discovered them, and judging from the blood splatter and knocked over glasses and bottles, it almost looks like someone was knocked into the bar counter by something coming from the opposite direction before being torn apart with brute force and claws.
I think this theory holds the mosy water. Others have suggested that there is also a Garou (Were-beast) among the cast, and I believe them to be the second party.
I didn't noticed the scratch marks in the ceiling during Occam, Grimaline, and Elise's meeting in the very beginning, so that definitely sounds like a option. Lord Fatigue also happened to be a Scholar on Lycanthropy Lore, so there is a possible connection there. @@rustyyamate5888
I suspect it’s Doctor Waters, she’s absent for a large portion of the episode, (“catching up on some reading”), and only returns herself to the cast after Occams assault, exactly as the others trying to enter the archive find Occam unconscious. Despite the fact that she was apparently in her office which is two floors above the archive, and she somehow discerns that he was chocked from behind, which as far as I know is impossible to discern at a glance. Additionally she is stated by Occam to also be one of the four members of the chapter house with access to the archive. So assuming the cast as a whole left the arcanum, and the door was closed and locked, then the only people who are possible culprits are those who have their own means of accessing the arcanum, which includes Dr. Waters. She’s also described by one of the housekeepers as a “Cocaine Doctor”, and we know that vampire blood is a potent narcotic, who’s use produces effects similar to but grater than other narcotics, such as cocaine.
I don’t think it’s her, largely just because we haven’t seen enough of her to be cued into that. Also she could probably tell Occam was choked from behind from the marks on his neck - it’s surprisingly easy to tell the difference between choke marks from hands vs those from arms, and if someone got him in a chokehold using their arm they probably did it from behind
D getting stabbed in the head by a scalpel and either not noticing or not caring has to be one of my favorite details I feel like we aren’t talking about enough
27:40 it took me an unholy time to realise, but Dr. Waters actually has some white powder under her nose here. guess Matilda wasn't calling her "the cocaine doctor" for nothing. at very least we now know what kinda "reading" she was doing in her office...
Might be trying to emulate the rush of fresh vitae from a kindred that a ghoul experiences. The police constable said he tried various drugs and none compared to it.
The Cop Ghoul we saw before said he was doing hard drugs when on vamp blood withdrawal... Could the doctor use of drugs be because she is the ghould and trying to keep her marbles when low on vamp blood with other means?
34:49 The viscera, Git trapped in the closet, Spit clinging to his head crying for help (its likely he caved to withdrawal), the death of that kind old fellow, the sheer brutality of him being ripped apart...its so *mean*. It's so unendingly cruel that THAT is how he was taken out, and for such a kind old soul. And everyone's reaction sends this home; no comedy, no gag, just staring horrified at what has happened...holy shit this show is so good.
@@theenderdestruction2362 I think it's more likely he's a ghoul. Specifically a Malkavian Ghoul. The madness and his concern about voices in his head, considering he was only ever present during scenes where everyone is together plays more likely into this.
@TheEvational lets hope it's that, but the reason why im saying he might be a werewolf is cause I'm not sure that level of well violence is something a ghoul can do in such a short time, though your most likely right
@@theenderdestruction2362I would agree, a ghoul would have to really wreak house to cause that level of damage and be quite good at potence to do that. and they sure as hell would have to bolt after. Either the goul has a *very* low generation master or it's not quite a ghoul. I guess the tzimiscie could craft a ghoul to be able to do that but it would be quite the investment. my current guess is the old lady. she is the only one that we can not in some way account for. everyone else had a buddy during one of the incidents so she is the last one who could have done it.
@@TheEvational But how did Git get locked in the closet? Was he tossed in by Fatigue when he saw Spit succumbing(assuming he IS the ghoul, although the signs seem to point him.)? Or was it Spit when he was starting to lose it and flung him with a swipe of his arm due to his enhanced physical strength befitting a ghoul? Either way it’s not looking good for our heroes.
There is something so jarring about seeimg the horrific remains of whatever unknowable brutality was inflicted upon poor innocent Fatigue then seeing the name "cockpuncher3" in the credits. I love indie animation.
@@theenderdestruction2362 One theory I have with Spit is that he's a Ghoul, but he's a Ghoul to a _Malkavian._ So he's got not just withdrawal, but a diluted lunacy from Malk blood taking its toll on his mind.
you know i suspected spit for being offscreen most the time and showing withdrawl symptoms but now it feels too obvious that the guy covered in blood next to a gore pile is the killer
A part of my brain is telling me that it being too obvious could be a misdirection but its so much more interesting if he's not. The possibilities introduced if he's not the ghoul are way cooler: Maybe he's something else, a werewolf, maybe someone else is messing with his mind, maybe the ghoul is using his withdrawal as misdirection. Plus the crews writing is better than simply making the most obvious option the answer. Unless it's just one big double misdirection but I don't think so.
Well, there are likely multiple things in the chapter house. Observe closely, there are claw marks everywhere. Ghouls don't leave those. Also, the last thing we heard from Fatigue was "Don't Panic." He is an elder hedge magician. I think Fatigue was the ghoul, and I think Spit is something else. A regular ghoul, unless they are from a stupidly high generation vampire, which the Regent is I suppose, would not be physically vapable of that level of violence, especially during withdrawals. I think Fatigue was the ghoul, tried something, and Spit went ham on him.
Two things come to mind. One is that the case. The other is (I don’t have any idea of the magic system in the masquerade.) the old man was the ghoul and it’s some kind of illusion but that just a random guess.
@@benjaminhartsock3281 possible but i have a better idea. If the theory is true,simons a garou near first change,what if fatigue tried helping simon calm down because hes seeing the signs,and Simon went crinos, accidentally killing the mage in his frenzy and then transformed back resolving what happened
Big D, before succumbing to pull of the hole, he accuses Giles of knowing something about it being there at all. How convenient of Giles to be locked in the toilet when Lord Fatigue is torn apart. He may be a Ghoul, and he may be responsible for Spit; like a beast handler or some-sort.
We also see none of the candidates covered in blood or remains, and it seems absurd that any one of them would have the time to change their clothes in a time like this.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 it certainly seems like it has to be one of the three in that room. The question remains: is Spit a red herring? And all this mentioning of were-creatures is a distraction.
WHAT'S UP WITH THE SCRUNCHY. ELISE STARTS WITH A GREEN ONE, SWAPS IT OUT FOR A BLUE ONE, AND THEN WE SEE GRIMEL WITH THE GREEN ONE. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE FUCKING SCRUNCHY?
So, Elise stole everything from Git's pockets, Gimels ends up in the security room with the stolen keys, and then the cleaning lady woth the gloves is shown smoking Git's cigarettes (presumably for staff level access to a room someone couldn't enter alone). Nice little murder-mystery clues getting placed around this part.
@krunchie101 Personally? I'm thinking the ritual was a bluff to make the ghoul act in a way that Gimel could view on the security cameras and have evidence of what the fuck's going on, but with the old man murdered at the end (and Given we've seen Brujah and Tremere so far, there are a few options on HOW he got gibbed), either they weren't expecting a ghoul with powers, the old man was actually the traitor and they have to retroactively figure out wtf just happened, or some other amazing twist. Either way, looking forward to the next part.
Ok so here’s a fun break down of the suspects: We know for a fact the ghoul cannot be: D, Marcus, or kitten: they’re the main cast and the only characters we can 1000% be positive are not the ghoul. Remold or Brok: they are always accounted for with other members of the chantry at any given time (usually each other) and brok is just way too dumb to be able to infiltrate the chantry. Harry: He was with Marcus during the first attack on Occam and was in the medical office with 2 other chapter members during the attack at the end of the episode. Potential but unlikely suspects: Amanda: she’s been accounted for in just about every scene, and what’s more interesting is that she was the first to be interrogated by the blacklaws and gave away nothing that indicate vampiric influence even under such an ineffective data collection like torture. Also of the 2 cleaning staff she seems to be the only one actually confused and caught up on the fact vampires exist. Git: another character we know is accounted for during the first attack on occam as he was in the pub with remold and brok. BUT despite that he does work in the 99p store that IS run by a ghoul of the regent! If the manager lady is aware of giles’ other job she would likely mention and inform the regent to ghoul him as well. Actual suspects: Matilda: she is verrry much not as shaken about vampires being real as Amanda was. It’s also pretty apparent she doesn’t like working at the chapter house. This could be stuff to be potential red herring but she also has 3 very interesting things that could point to her actually being the ghoul. The first 2 points of order is when she was speaking with kitten in the kitchen she mentioned how she and Amanda have ways around clearance and usually steal keys. In that same scene she also wonders if the whole ghoul situation will “cost her the job” which is not a worry for anyone NOT guilt of being a blood slave. The third point is that lord fatigue during the vault carrying recap mentions everyone not fit enough to carry the vault and very pointedly does not mention Matilda as one of the people not fit enough for the job. Grimmal: in a previous audiolog she mentions how she manages to eavesdrop on chapter meetings by traversing the vents of the chapter house. During the time of Occams attack she is unaccounted for and seen on the map as being in the security room “the most ventilated room” in the building according to Matilda. This would allow her to bypass the need for archive access since she doesn’t have a key, allowing for her to get the drop on occam potentially. She also seems weirdly resistant to the blacklaw torture machine, and gives an excuse of the harness being sweaty. Elise: also unaccounted for during the attack on occam, and is suspiciously close to the archives when it happens. We do see her pilfer giles’ wallet, keys, and smokes so clearly she has some ulterior motive for these actions. Also I personally find it interesting that D’s first choice to interrogate was Elise of all people, he may be a fucking loon but the man’s intuition is usually more fine tuned than his grip on reality. Also this episode shows her disappearing JUST before any big event happens every single time. Spit: the general consensus pretty clearly outlines that spit isn’t the ghoul, but is instead a werewolf (a point I agree with) but he is also one of the few characters unaccounted for during occams attack so… I gotta put him here. Dr. Waters: another unaccounted character during occams attack, and only one of 4 characters with archive access. She shows up after occams attack suspiciously quick, and diagnoses the bruising on occams throat as “from behind” which was unprompted. She also is one of the only characters to clock what a discipline and spells it out in layman terms. Also she tends to have a weird grey filter going on anytime she speaks. Lord Fatigue: yes I know he had the funny accident at the end of the episode but it could still have been him who was the ghoul. He is also unaccounted for during occams attack, and had archive access. And let’s face it we all basically thought it was going to be him before the rug pull. And finally my personal #1 suspect: Occam: he was completely alone in the archives so it’s impossible to say what actually happened in there, and let’s be honest a ghoul would be smart enough to fake an attack on themselves to raise suspicion in order to degrade any cohesive effort to actually root them out which kitten even alludes to. Speaking of when kitten says “why didn’t we all sit around in a circle and wait for occam to finish the ritual” the reason for it was that occam literally gave them a task they would never have been able to do with how much everyone hated one another. Let’s also talk about how even though he was “attacked” and moved to the medical office he was suddenly right back on his feet after fatigue’s own attack. And like come on his name is literally occam, as in Occam’s razor… the guy at the top is always corrupt and he just so happens to be vampire corrupt.
Based on your analysis, I'm starting to think Elise might be the ghoul. Remember how she snuck up on everybody in the pub episode? Her eyes were briefly glowing and she sort of "faded in" grom the shadows. I dunno, man; sounds pretty ghoul-y, to me.
Grimmel couldn't have gotten to Occam through the air vents, Occam said that there may be many secret passages in the house, none of them lead to the Archive room and there's only one way in or out of that room. Everything else is spot on though
I personaly believe Dr Waters is the ghould, as she is also described as cocaine addict, which, if we remember the interrogation log, Guy Chapman was trying Black Tar Heroin to try and replace the withdrawal effects from lack of vampire blood. Now ive been told cocaine is weaker to black tar heroin, so I may be in the wrong for thinking this, but it still leads to it. On the others, I think Elise just pickpockets shit for fun, as Gits cigaretes may be some good shit, and also, just to be able to get anywhere when you wish to not be bothered mighr be a good reason to pick pocket the keys. Also, free money. Grimmal might be a ghoul, as you did give a good reason, unlike others in the comments, mistaking vampires with ghouls, so i congratulate you on changing my opinion. Occam, while i did find it suspicious how he talked when told about a mole, i still think he is not the ghoul, as i think that would mean the vampires already pretty much controlled the entire Arcanum and would be doing wild blood hunts every tuesday. I also dont recall for how long the ghoul has been in the arcanum, or for how long has D and his family been kicked out
Grimal was probably sneaking into Occam's office through the vents, Dr. Waters also was quite eager to enter his office when an excuse presented itself. There's something or even someone ("all active members are present" = there's one on ice?) in Occam's office that they both want.
The only thing about Occam being the ghoul that does not add up is - how can he use the Solar Sorcery then? Wouldn't that hurt him and wouldn't he suffer obvious withdrawals? Plus if he really was the ghoul - what was the point of him taking D's warning seriously and initiating the lockdown? He's the head honcho of this facility - he could've just told D and his family to GTFO because they're speaking nonsense (while getting massive appraisal from Remold btw) and keep doing what he was doing.
Giles might be the Ghoul. He's the one who works at the 99p store that is controlled by... SOMEONE. He's also someone in a position of authority while being low enough on the ladder that he would not be a prominent figure, keeping in line with the whole Masquerade thing. Having ghoul traits would also help with keeping him awake and invigorated to hold two jobs (even though that wasn't such an odd thing even in 2006), on top of whatever else they are paying him on the side (though considering what Kevin said during the interrogation, they probably aren't). He was also the only character aside from Spit who was close to Fatigue when he was turned into floor spaghetti. Spit might also the the ghoul, and his withdrawal symptoms are manifesting as ADHD (or exacerbating it). His panic attacks are the result of something he doesn't want to talk about with Fatigue, and he drew his blood for the ritual from around the corner where no one could see him draw it. Someone mentioned something about werewolves. He could also be a werewolf; unlikely, but that's what would have given him the strength to spread Fatigue around the room like so much peanut butter on not enough bread, and the torso does have some gaping lacerations, besides. Dr. Waters is a distant, but very prime, third suspect. She has Archive access and has medical expertise. The Camarilla likes to ghoulify people with connection to the medical industry for easy access to vitae. And then there's the fourth option. The Box. The Box almost seems like a red herring, but could it have had something in it already? How did it get out? Did Blacklaw and Big D accidentally let it out? Could it be the Methuselah that Big D claims to have killed? The last option is that it's a complete stranger. Or someone who is assuming the form of one of the Arcanum members. Whoever killed Fatigue is not part of the Camarilla. The Camarilla doesn't kill wantonly unless it's to perpetuate the Masquerade. Killing people brings unnecessary attention to their areas of activity. The ghoul would have incapacitated Occam to prevent him from completing the ritual, or to sabotage the cups. Killing Fatigue must have been something that happened in a sudden, uncontrolled manner, like a werewolf transformation.
For me this series is just "Big-D" having fun during the Age of terra and protecting humanity from daemon, mutants and other entities that try to take over Terra in the 2nd millenium, but well it just me after all. Regardless this seem like a full crime chapter by now, truly worthy to be in a game board. Thus I can't help to wonder who is the true ghoul by now or if there are other ghouls for all we know, despite the obvious synthoms I think that Spit was more as a false suspect, most likely he is in drugs or something that the actual ghoul, thus I wonder if it will not turn out that actually Occan is in fact the ghoul and that he strangled himself somehow to put himself out of the suspects...but I guess it is just silly, after all if the vampire had already manage to turn the master of the Chapter house(or the Chapter Master I guess) the information about the Hunter of Nolfolk should already been compromised by ages now...unless they are from one of the three main factions(I know that there are more but, I am new to this franchise) of Vampire, who are trying to use the Hunters to weaken the other two factions...any thoughts?
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@@francescosaporiti1431 You're not wrong, but the factions don't deal with Hunters too well. Both the Camarilla and the Anarchs keep to the Masquerade more than anything, while The Sabbat would never lower themselves to working with mortals. But yeah, Spit's innocent, suffering either from his headache or Delirium caused by a Werewolf.
I love how the episode made everyone outside of the core family act suspicious one way or the other either by the actions they took,their words or their facial expresions. This is legit a great mystery, when this story is conculed it's gonna be a treat watching it all over again. My theory right now is that there is more than one ghoul however one is working for the Camarilla while the other is working for the Sabbat or some other independed vampire organization.
The person who choked Occam was probably Elise, since she stole the keys to the archive and then vanished for quite a while. Maybe that'd be too obvious, or I made false assumptions before watching this 10 more times to see all the little details
Yes the writing is absolutely gold but forced split-ups are just a little bit of lazy plotholes for my taste. I mean, c'mon; not to linger far away was a direct order from Occam...
@@BierBart12She stole Giles' keys, who only has staff access. He wouldn't have the keys to the archive unless he, for some reason, stole them from someone who did.
She already dislikes being reminded of being british and not japanese (as seen with Marckus doing so twice, with her calling it a low blow and even physically biting him when he called her 'Grimaline Smith from UK'); she frowned when Kitten called her 'Grimaline Smith' during the roll call; and when Fatigue called her 'Grimal-kun-chama', she reacted with a smile, probably relieved that at least SOMEONE calls her a 'proper name'. Meanwhile, Kitten only ever calls her Grimaline. Not even Grimal, like the rest of the friend group. That GOTTA sting, given how she still doesn't seem to be over him, judging by their argument. Kitten, meanwhile, has had so enough of her otaku antics that he outright refuses to engage with any of it.
One of my favorite moments that I come back to, is Kitten talking to the 2 lady’s in the washroom. Theories about the story aside it’s just so cool to see normal civilians talking with a hunter and them just being shocked how someone as kind as him hunting down the horrors of the world. The part where he says, “ I’m a hunter” just hits everything. No bravado like his family and friends just plain kind facts.
If the speculation of someone being a Werewolf turns out to be true. This is my theory on it. Not sure if anyone else had the same thought process but this is mine. Simon (Spit) is the Werewolf. What we saw in the final scene was Fatigue’s attempt to keep everyone else in the house safe. First thing to note. Fatigue is a Scholar of Lycanthropy Lore, as it says on his license. Given his age he is likely one of the most knowledgeable people you can find on the topic. If anyone can spot a Werewolf it would be him. It’s hard to say when but he must have picked up early that Simon’s behaviour is more than Ritalin affecting his mental state. Naturally he moved to calm him down. If by this point he is sure that Simon is a Werewolf the best thing he can do is prevent him from getting worse. So they move to the Pub where it’s quieter and less likely to agitate him further. When it does come to the conversation in the bar. Fatigue is aware that Simon left to help find Git’s belongings. But now he is alone and wondering the house which could put everyone in danger. Before Git even finished his sentence on why he left Fatigue excuses himself to go fetch Simon. Next looking at the map of the chapter house we can see Simon and Fatigue both marked as ‘Moved from Pub’. While it’s not specific, it’s safe to assume that Simon is still wondering and Fatigue is looking for him. That was about everything note worthy I noticed up until the final scene. This is how I believe events played out. Simon, Git and Fatigue all move back to the Pub likely at Fatigue’s suggestion. Tensions are running high and he is trying his best to stop a panic. Unfortunately this doesn’t work. Simon is loosing control and Fatigue knows that there isn’t much time left before he fully slips. He locks the main door to the Pub and gets Git into the back room to keep him safe. Leaving him alone with Simon. Perhaps he thought in giving his life it will be enough to sate the beast. Sparing the lives of the others in the chapter house. If nothing else. He will be contained within the Pub until the others can figure out what to do.
I like the theory…but being a werewolf expert, Fatigue _had_ to know that a wooden pub door wouldn’t hold a frenzied Garou for long. If Simon is a Garou and he did kill him, why didn’t he tear the door off its hinges and start hunting the others? Furthermore, a Garou’s first change is usually catastrophically long and painful; Simon was clearly in human form when the rest of them broke the door down. He had blood on him, yeah, but his clothes should be at least a little scuffed. Other than the blood, there isn’t a scratch on him. I’ve never played the tabletop so I don’t know if that’s just a thing with the Garou, but I should think the process of turning into a ten foot killing machine would cause someone’s shirt to tear a little.
@@s-8488 There are, in fact. The species as a whole is known as the Faera, or “the Changing Breeds,” and they include such things as werebears, werecats, weredragons, and even werebats. The standard form of a Faera is usually no larger than a normal human or animal(when in animal form), but when they assume their Crinos Forms - also called “the War Form” - they can become massive slabs of corded muscle and rage that can easily rip apart a tank. Some of them are smaller than the rest, but it’s generally common enough for a Faera’s war form to be far larger than its human or animal forms.
@@TheCorrodedMan I see. It looked like both doors had been locked by someone, and for the killer to have locked it after leaving the room would've taken valuable seconds. So...assuming Simon couldn't have turned into a Were-something, where does that leave us?
@@s-8488 I think, personally, that the Ghoul isn’t even among the main cast. I think it’s playing everyone off of each other, trying to stoke suspicions to keep everyone off of its back while it looks for a way out.
This is the best thing Alfabusa and studio has ever produced and they're never going to get rewarded for it. Thanks for giving this to us and I hope there's more on the way.
To clarify - never *properly* rewarded for it. Not to the extent that the time, effort, passion, and tears that went into this truly warrants. But to those of us here to enjoy it: you've created something truly special. As an aside, I'm mentally packaging Occam as the Malcador-equivalent here, if we're still going by 40k parallels. Really love his design and can't wait to learn more about him! Also, (last thing I swear), special shout-out to the sound design of this series. The editing on that front has grown a lot in just the past couple years. I think people generally underestimate how much having appropriate music and effects contributes to the overall experience, not just the animation and voice. I just have a lot of respect for the whole team, especially those who might've gone underappreciated.
I was worried for a while that this series would be forever in production. But I'm happy to be proven wrong, yall clearly used every minute you had to make a ridiculously amazing works of art! The animation is so unique and lively, the voice acting is high quality, the balance of comedy, drama and horror shines though with your unique combination that expresses an incredible perspective on the World of Darkness. My only complaint? Now I have to wait for the next part! Yall should be proud of what you're making here!
I’ve been genuinely worried they had either run into another IP road block or had simply lost interest. I’m happy that they’ve continued on and I can’t wait to see the rest of the story. Also my money is either on Wilde or Giles being the ghoul.
Very cool that I did not find out that this came out for 2 months. TH-cam is out here doing a good job. In any case, thank you, Alfabusa, for doing what you do. And thank you for Elise. I swear to only have normal and healthy thoughts about her.
My theory, taken from other theories: Grimal-kun-chama is the Ghoul. In an earlier episode, she says she likes to spy on chapter meetings via the ventilation shafts. When Occam is bieng strangled, Grimal is in the security room, a well ventilation room according to Matilda. A room that would also let her know exactly where everyone is. In the map showing everyones locations and arcanum access, she has an Elite acess level. Which she shouldn't, according to her arcanum license. She should have a student's access. Dr. Waters, who should have Full access, only has a students. Odd. Grimal is also very shocked and scared when the talk of ghoul is first brought up. Grimal did not do the hyper murder though. Spit is imbued. I have no idea what this is, but another comment described it in a way that makes sense given the voices in his head and his clothes still bieng in one peace. I believe this stranger. Spit did not attack Lord Fatigue either. He is too ill, and well clothed. Also, too well established of a subject. Matilda is either a werewolf or a kinfolk. She hates her job so much, yet is hardly shocked when supernatural things are brought up. She also has her hands covered up. Matilda also didn't commit the hyper murder. We she was on noble Occam duty. Amanda was electrified by the car battery lie detector. A lie detector which was show to actually detects lies. This, I think, is an important clue many are missing. Grimal was getting fried because she is actually the ghoul. But why Amanda? I think she knows Grimal is the ghoul, has even been helping her, but didn't know what a ghoul was or what was really happening until tonight (she is surprised by the word vampiric, the only one to be so). Grimal tricked Amanda into helper her spy for the vampires. But she was in the room with everyone when Lord Fatigue was attacked. So who did it? Simple...we lack a vital clue to the puzzle. Yup. I think their is a massive chunk of vital information missing, making it impossoble to find the right culprit. No, this isn't me bieng outsmarted. That would be absurd!
The problem with Grimal is that she could have only obtained access to the Security Room with Elise's help, since we see Elise steal the cigs that Matilda is later seen smoking. Ergo, Grimal doesn't have elite access, she has Staff Access that was given to her from Matilda via Elise. A reminder that the symbols on the map indicate what level of Access is required to enter those rooms, not the level of access that the occupants currently have.
Futher evidence that spit is not a werewolf: in the opening scene, he gets beaten up badly by Door, Boy, and Elise. If he was a werewolf, he would likely have transformed right there (due to all the trauma).
Something you didnt mention is that it actually shows the ventilation in the archives freezing a cave man as occam says “there is only one entrance too the archives”
My current theory is that Spit is some kind of werewolf (there's a full moon outside, even. and his condition worsens as the night goes on) and Fatigue picked up on the symptoms of Lycanthropy since he's an expert on the subject. Spit was seemingly staying chilled out because of Git's "cigarettes" (blunts) but when Elise steals them he starts losing his shit further. If Elise noticed this behavior and purposefully stole the blunts, that's highly suspicious. Maybe she wanted Spit to freak out to draw attention away from the ghoul - maybe herself, maybe someone she's allied with. If that's the case, Fatigue and Git can't be the ghoul. Also a fun fact. Fatigue says he was going to get up and go fetch Spit, but he doesn't. He goes to the Staff Break Room and then when Remold, Git, and Brok leave to go prepare the polygraph, they manage to find him (presumably in the music room) and they walk in front of the kitchen doorframe when Kitten is talking to Amanda and Matilda. (Which means they set up the polygraph in the Sitting Room, where they leap out of when D discusses Dodos.) What was Fatigue doing in a place where Spit was most definitely not going to be? Also, Matilda winds up with Git's rolls. I don't know why Elise handed them off to her (or if she left them laying around for her to find), but she had to have done that during the "two football games" interim and presumably while Kitten couldn't see it because he's surprised to see her later. If you pay attention to the sequence of events, its apparent that Elise stole Gile's keys and then opened the sec room for Grimal to go hang out in. It was supposedly the most well-ventilated room in the building, so maybe she gave Grimal a blunt to smoke? Or perhaps she put Grimal in there to keep her safe from werewolf business (if she was trying to make Spit's condition worse on purpose). We also don't really know what's in the security room, but if Grimal and Elise were working together there may be information in that room that helps them coordinate. Grimal and Elise are also both on the list of potential suspects who didn't carry the Tessalation downstairs either. I think Elise is likely the ghoul, however, I don't think she's an enemy. If she wanted to kill Occam, she could have. I think instead what she wants to do is to use Spit as a scapegoat, and fatigue's death was uncalculated on her part. Its also possible that Gloria Waters is a ghoul based on how quickly she shows up to diagnose Occam, but the only thing we have to blame her for is just knowing where she is for most of the episode. Elise is actively doing weird things. I personally can't find any explanation for all of Elise's actions if she's strictly on the side of the humans - unless she's just an agent of chaos. However, she does tell everyone that it's a bad idea to split up... but is that performative? Everyone had already split up anyways at that point, too. D also picked her out to interrogate first, and I think we're seeing a recuring theme of D being completely vindicated in his reasoning as of late. I think D knows something is up. The only thing I cannot come up with any explanation for, is why are there 16 chalices when Occam is knocked unconscious, instead of 15? Did someone insert a new chalice? Is there a secret 16th person in the archive? Also, as a comment I saw just pointed out, why does Occam lose his necklace temporarily while he's choked out? Did it get stolen and he found a replacement? Is the necklace a necessary part of his powers? Did someone temporarily hide it so that they could ensure he couldn't complete the ritual before they had a chance to destroy the scene?
Maybe elise gave the well ventilated security room keys to grimal so grimal could smell the smoke from the stolen cigs that elise gave to matilda so they could track Matilda throughout the building from one room
Could be that Elise gave Grimal the cigars and keys to the security room to chill after going to talk to her. However, we see that Matilda had just come from the security room that Grimal was in (the map says where characters had come from or going to), and Matilda was the one who says kitten isn’t allowed in there. It could be that Matilda met Grimal coping there and took the cigars from Grimal, and went to keep kitten from going in as to not run into his ex. Could be that those people are completely innocent (I guess besides Matilda maybe).
Theory time: Spit is obviously not the ghoul. What I think he is, is an Imbued. Think about it, he talks about voices and the things they are saying to him. He seemingly gets information from nowhere and answers from the air. Such as when he asks them if they think they are better than him and then he exlaims that they are, as though something answered him. Or when he says he thinks he knows where giles stuff could be, that could also point to him getting information off of angel radio, as imbued tend to do. I think he might be a newly awakended imbued of the hermit creed. "Hermits are one of the "lost" Hunter creeds who follow the virtue of Vision. While other hunters may only hear the voices of the Messengers when they are first imbued, Hermits hear them constantly, causing an ever-present sensory 'static' in their minds - and find it gets worse in the presence of monsters or other hunters. Consequently, they earn their name by hiding from the world, seeking to quiet the voices in their heads. They find, however, that they are unable to ignore what they learn from the Messengers, and attempt to act on that information as best they can, communicating what they learn to other hunters."
Him also running out of Adderall also ties into this, possibly something as simple as ADHD medication is enough to dull the effects in people's day-to-day
I only realised that at 9:00 you can hear Remold call D a "bachibouzouk" which is one of the favorite insult used by Captain Haddock in the original french version of Tintin
Wait wait wait wait... *WHERE ARE THE MARKS AROUND HIS NECK?!* When Occam went down, his collar was bloodied, and his neck had fresh, red bruises from where he was choked out. In addition, that celtic knot pendant was MISSING from his neck. When he showed up at the end, the irishman's collar is CLEAN, and there are NO MARKS on his neck. And the pendant is BACK. So either Occam has some magic healing powers and an *exact copy of the same clothes he wore when he was attacked* ... or that isn't the same man that was found unconscious in the ritual chamber.
Could be just an art thing, could be someone who does have magic healing powers or a magic healing item thing, and if Occam used to be with D then I’d be surprised if he *didn’t* have a bunch of identical outfits tbh.
I mentioned it in another comment chain, but there are also claw marks and a loose tile on the ceiling in Occams Office at around 01:15 Add to that his name and the fact that "Occam's Razor" states that the easiest/simplest answer is usually the correct one... I *really* doubt Alfabusa gave him that name without a damn good reason. I really do believe that Occam plays a role in all of this, much more than people expect him to
makes sense if you think about it, you cant have anyone coming in to have a closer look, something as small as traffic law could get unwanted attention, and i very much doubt those m60s are in any way legal
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"My oiled abs quiver at your voice!"
BRUVA LIVES STOMP STOMP
BRUVA LIVES *STOMP STOMP STOMP*
BRUVA LIVES *STOMP STOMP*
BRUVA LIVES STOMP STOMP
Just wanna point out that when D screams at Grimal in Japanese he's telling her to, 'Shut up, Kuei-jin beliver.' xD
28:03 for reference.
@@NightdreamrNah. It's a joke on the debate in the fandom if Kuei-jin exist in fifth edition
@@Cainus44 I'm in the camp that believe they do. Mostly because I do still really like them.
@@Drakon_Minaka5 edition doesn't like them. Or Sabbath for that matter... Or any vampire faction because they all have been ignored except for Camarilia who basically now crumbling.
@@Drakon_Minaka I'm in the camp of "There's still 40 years of material you can fall back on and mishmash fairly easily under an IP that offers free creative use, so go crazy with whatever you want to do."
The idea that the Marketable Kevin Plush tm is a canonical thing the Regent has done to fund themselves after Kevin left and screwed up their funding as a way of snubbing our vamp wizard is amazing.
IM DOING MY PART
that, or the swedish guy on the radio is far more powerful than we initially thought
Tbh I’m surprised the Regent knows what television *is.*
And the best Part?
Making Merchandise about yourself or another Vampire is considered by The Camarilla to be A HUGE Masquerade Violation.
And based on what we know of her, the Regent is absolutely stupid enough to try and fix a mistake she made by making an even BIGGER mistake.
@@hammermandan8264 I bet the ending is the The Regent is getting booted by the Higher ups in the Tremere Clan.
"Best part of construction: destruction!"
In a different reality, Perturabo had an aneurism
Reading that made me very happy 😊
@@quinnholloway5400based
Perturabo is always having an Aneurysm for one reason or another, if we’re being honest
For everyone saying that Spit being a werewolf that just freaked and killed Fatigue is "too obvious" and "probably a red herring" just remember OCCAM'S razor. The obvious solution is more often than not the correct solution.
Your comment is under rated, but you get a like from me atleast.
Counter point, though... As someone that's watched a lot of murder mysteries, Especially Danganronpa. It's never the person you suspect first, even then without the right amount of evidence it's more just pure guesswork rather then deduction alone.
@@ZombiefiedMinstrel Feel free to check my other comment for a big explanation on why I think spit is a Lycan of some kind, but in a situation like this it'd take too much fun away from things if any theory is brushed away by "that's just a red herring." Like yeah I'm sure there are a bunch of red herrings here, but how could we possibly know what is and isn't a red herring. I can say why I don't suspect certain people as much. And if I'm wrong, then it'll be a cool surprise to find out how I'm wrong, and the poppenang crew get to rejoice at another successfully bamboozled viewer.
@@danielturner9141 That wasn't what I was trying to imply, I don't believe throwing away a theory is necessary. I'm only saying that nothing is set in stone and that it's good to keep an open mind. Especially if we get more information about the body in the next video, even with what we've seen other stuff that points to a bigger picture later on.
@@ZombiefiedMinstrel no I get that I have kept a pretty open mind regarding all of this especially in my other comment. Lots of possibilities. But I think Occam's Razor is relevant here and I think Spit had a lycanthropy related freak out and killed Fatigue. I don't think this death is ghoul related. This comment was more just to make the joke of Occam's Razor
Something I just realized. "Your father couldn't take a hit like that!" means that Big D doesn't actually hit Blacklaw properly. He's just playfighting.
This series has so many fun details
huh interesting so he's really just humoring Blacklaw. I guess its part of his charisma and intentionally disarming bizarre behaviour
Its enrichment for them
Yeah, D is absolutely in Enormous Ham mode when quarreling with him rather than the occasional genuinely serious moments he shows now and then.
its also possible that blacklaw is not as tough as his son but is much more skilled at avoiding punches
Oh my GOD.
I just realised.
Occam uses Solar Sorcery.
And everytime he uses it, he takes a deep breath.
He's a HAMMON USER.
SUNLIGHT YELLOW OVERDRIVE
@@ThunderPsyker so there are also the stands since it is spiritual hammond ?
And his hamon would likely destroy the ghouls blood…
If this ghoul wields vampire magic, then we might see the dreaded SPACE RIPPER STINGY EYES next episode!
MISTAH OCCAM, YA HAFTA REMEMBER YER HAMON BREATHIN!
"I never met a homosexual I couldn't sway!" I wasn't prepared, I thought I'd die laughing.
I just realized Brok is literally an orc on the core: Weird talking, brutish manner, green subtitles and he is a football hooligan, the idea that gave life to the orcs!
We actually see a picture of his mom on the wall and she has tiny ork tusks
@@Meatwesalwhere’s that?
32:00
And his absurd way to measure things
@@EdShear_em
Totally missed that. The level of detail is gorgeous
Upon rewatch I noticed something I missed. Fatigue is SO fucking polite, as he is introducing everyone it's all Sirs and Mister and Miss and Lady, but for Grimal he says "Grimal-kun-chama" AHHHHHH what a sweet old man. He goes out of his way to use japanese honorifics for the weeb.
That's how old people operate. They remembered the full addresses and phone numbers of ALL of their friends and families back in the day. Nowadays we're just too reliant on smartphones and personal contact profiles. And yeah, they really tend to care about people's own visions of themselves; so much so even to the point of using honofirics for a weeaboo, even though she isn't an Asian or anything (:
not only, you can see grimal cheering up slightly after he says that. it's those little things and details that make this series wonderful.
@@geberlanI fail to see how remembering addresses and phone numbers is in any way connected to going out of your way to use Japanese honorifics for a weeb (I think we can all agree that, especially for someone his age, it would be less a matter of remembering Grimal’s preferences and more of actually accepting them), but okay
@@jordinagel1184 Remembering adresses and etc. is for caring about and having a habit of keeping trivial information in their minds. Also using trivial details like honorifics to keeping young ones happy? To make them feel more valid? Think of it as a type of kindness towards them, against sharp and harsh truths of normal adult life...
yep. I think he uses the full names of everyone as they wrote on their arcanum license. it's great
Not to pull attention away from the *stellar* murder mystery going on, but Chekhov's gun usually doesn't take the form of several M60 machine guns affixed to a British double decker bus.
I mean, fuck, what a sentence, right?
my thoughts exactly lol
They did that in the killing of Nosferatu episode though...
Glad someone else thinks that
For a story happening in a country with strict gun control, the amount of weaponry and ordnance this family own is unbelievable.
@@antoine8649 no puny laws can stop BIG D!
Plot Twist: Fatigue just exploded himself to mess with Spit.
"They'll never believe you."
"W..wot?"
*BOOM*
oh lord they would do that
@@HiddelS143 “Hey lad, wanna see a dead body?”
“AUUUÜG-“
I can’t believe you predicted the April 1st video
@@wardenunknowni didn't
“it was probably fatigue” *sees fatigue’s dismembered corpse* “…okay… so not fatigue”
…Can Vampires initiate remote or timed self-destruct commands into their thralls/ghouls? Because if it WAS Fatigue, and his master commanded his self-termination, then everyone would be at each others throats trying to find a mole that’s already dead. The nature of the death points to this NOT being the case, but I feel like that kind of scheming would be a classic Camarilla stunt.
Alternatively, Spit’s still alive while Fatigue was mulched…
Can Thralls/Ghouls operate under a Dr. Jeckel and Mr Hyde thing, where they have a second personality that awakens under certain circumstances? Because what better way to keep a mole hidden than to make sure they themselves aren’t fully aware of it?
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire based on the fact that ghouls suffer 'withdrawal' and he's apparently suffering from them and is violent and irritable, and based on the prior videos showing a vampire that starved herself accidentally slaughtering her entire family, and our favorite ghoul "Guy chapman" stating that vampire blood makes even the harshest narcotics tame by comparison, i'd wager spit is the most suspicious candidate for those alone, plus the blood and other stuff.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Dominate can’t cause someone to self end. Tremere invest a lot into their ghouls. Also the ghouls objective was the archive. They can’t deliver them if they die.
@@pixellordm8780 Withdrawal takes a long time to kick in from vitae. Also he doesn’t meet the symptoms. The ghoul they are searching for still had blood in their reservoir that night.
I genuinely think that Lord Fatigue was the Ghoul. He had access to the Archive, he has a pretty good reason to become a Ghoul, mainly to regain some of his old strength judging by the Picture, and in his mind it was better for him to be the Mole then anyone else. He cares about the Chapter and figured that few dead hunters to keep the rest of them safe was better than some other Ghoul ratting them all out and killing them all. Him playing double agent would also just further the idea of there being "Shades of Grey" within the world. He wanted his old strength & also wanted to protect his Chapter from Vampires, so he became a ghoul to throw off the vampires by only giving them nuggets of information just enough to keep the satisfied.
His death was an unfortunate accident, with Spit being a Were-Wolf. He should know the signs of a possible were-wolf being a scholar of Lycanthrophy, and Spit was showing those signs and struggling against a "second voice". It would totally be in his best interest to keep him calm throughout all this to protect everyone in the chapter and not inform anyone to prevent further panic.
As for why Spit didn't transform before this whole ordeal? Honestly think it's cause of Git's Rolls. I think it's safe to infer that the Rolls are weed & he was just high as shit constantly. Which seems on brand with the world.
I said so during the premiere, but I thought he was the ghoul, just on the grounds that he goes unaccounted for a few times, and that his death would’ve thrown the chapter house into disarray. I like your theory better though.
The ghoul’s master that we are concerned about is the woman that owns the supermarket, right? Someone who needed Kevin’s accounting skills. I don’t see anything tying her to Fatigue. There certainly COULD be something, but the portraits with young Fatigue, his design… I figured there would be some thematic link.
I could see Fatigue strangling Occam; he wants the house to survive AND maintain the masquerade. Not help with some vampire supremacy.
Well, part 2 of 4 will probably show a few more bits of backstory. Add details over why Fatigue’s death is upsetting at an individual level, and how he shaped the chapterhouse.
i would also like to add that it was mentioned in the pub chapter that fatigue is supposedly in bad condition health wise.
yet he doesnt seem that out of it here.
my only problem with this theory is that if Fatigue was the ghoul, why wouldn't he already gotten the information on norfolk's hunters? It seems like he has had archive access for a very long time and Kevin had this information on there being a ghoul in the chapter house all the way back when he was in the Carmilla. If fatigue was the ghoul, he would have had a very large window of time to have stolen the information at any point. To me, the ghoul has to specifically be someone WITHOUT archive access for it to have been this long and for them not to have completed their mission by now.
I will say though, I did find fatigue suspicious for how quickly he left to go get spit without even hearing about where he went. Though personally, I think this is was an intentional red herring and it was just a old person being old
Honestly besides just having access to the Archives someone with deep lycanthrope knowledge like Fatigue would be a pretty invaluable person to have as a Ghoul since vampires regularly have to deal with werewolves actively hunting and killing them.
I have known Occam for less than an hour and if anything happened to him I would gnaw at the moon and spit out its shards, tides be damned.
He's a chad.
but something did happen to him already
@@Alexander_the_Greatest Something far worse
@@Soroka He got choked out by a ghoul
@@SorokaBig D.
My personal headcannons/crack theory is that Fatigue was/is the ghoul, and was knowlegable enough to feed his master useless facts or details that wouldn't have hurt the Hunter faction a whole lot, but his master got tired of this, or got spooked by Kevin's group disappearing, and started applying mental pressure to get more hard facts. As a senior member, he does have access, as a ghoul, he would be stronger then expected, and since Occam is his friend, he wouldn't go and kill him.
I also think that Spit is dealing with a supernatural effect. Either a were-curse, picked up from a Hunt with his family, or something like someone commented further down, a voice that commands them kill the monster.
Which leads to a bloody yet perfect storm as Spit, supernaturally charged, has a mental barrier break and literally rips apart Fatigue, the act of which turns off all short term memory as he's in survival mode, so when he snaps out of it, he's surrounded by blood and death, leading to a normal break down just as every one comes in
Kevin's group were Sabbat though, and Kevin's master is Camarilla.
You can't pick up licantropy in WoD, werewolves are creations of Gaia and the only way you can become one are either being born as one or killing one and wearing their skin in a magical ritual that transforms you into a werewolf
One small detail is that the Lycans in WoD aren't a thing you can "catch". If Spit is a werecreature of some kind, he was born that way.
To further add to this the other guy who is trapped behind the door says what did you do which could mean he is talking to spit and he might know about what his illness is
@@JohnnyShagbot To be fair, the books make it clear the First Change is a traumatic whirlwind of chaos and violence for most of the were-creatures, with some notable exceptions. Spit could be a Kinfolk going through the First Change. The only things against it are that he's fully clothed (were-creatures destroy any clothing they're wearing when they change without a special enchantment) and his age. Most of them change when they're in their late teens, maybe early twenties, but Spit is around 30 given that he and Markus went to school together. He could also be a Fomori, a human possessed by a spirit of corruption. They often (but not always) mutate severely and gain superhuman powers at the cost of being driven mad and effectively becoming controlled by their worst vices. Spit might have been turned unknowingly and manages it via copious amounts of medication, only barely able to keep himself in check as long as the meds keep flowing and he stays in low stress situations. Both conditions changing might have led to him snapping. What little we know of him doesn't rule out the possibility of such accidental corruption and his association with Brock would give him a decent enough outlet for some of his darker impulses, potentially being enough for him to function somewhat normally albeit not well.
It's a mark of the quality of Kevin's character that, even though he's barely in the episode and not even connected to the story at hand, he still gets one of the funniest lines in the whole video
MIGHTY WIZARD GUN
@@jaideay3003 *"I CAST GUN!"*
Well yeah. You don't have a nemesis anymore if you kill him.
TRIAL BY LEAD
So from the audio logs we also learn that the Hobbyshoppen is connected to Pentex (in a single Throwaway line) Pentex is the megacorp that’s pretty corrupt in WOD and is the owner of the demon burger chain O’Tolley’s. Now Kevin when seeing the merch ad refers to a “her” when ranting about the plush. The “her” in this case either being his sire or the lady regent. Between these two throwaway lines, I think the hobbyshoppen may be more than just a sponsorship deal for alfabusa and they may try and incorporate it into the lady regents plans for north Norfolk (somehow). Buts that’s just my theory.
The Fact you introduced Fatigue, made him likable and then killed him off all in one episode is remarkable
The great sad.
just like a nature documentary
Dunno about you, but I immediately suspected him
still do actually!
what if this ghoul who has vampiric super powers can manipulate what people perceive to basically fake his death (granted I dunno much about their powers in this universe)
we are getting Aizen'd. we are getting souske'd. we are getting Aizen Souske'd
...damn bleach really gave me trust issues on whodunits
Now now, this could be a trick. Their are both magical spells and Vampiric disciplines that can be used to fake one's death.
We literally can't trust anyone
He was too good for this world
So we ARE getting an audiolog of Boy and Door getting burgers right?
And at O’Telleys of all places. I remember in the WoD overview video that they put demons in the burgers.
I would love this.
I wonder if Kevin will get one too, I miss him too much.
@@ToastyCoyoteOh good god. The M60s will have their day. Preferably against a giant demon burger.
Someone send this idea to bruva
@@larrytherustyboii7442I can almost see it, Door and Boy go out and get burgers, come home to find Kevin and Mr. Smerples, They almost fight at first but stop because of Boy and Mr. Smerples bonding.
I just realized Door mentioned taking Boy to O'Tolley's (8:27), aka, the place that *Puts Demons into their Cheeseburgers* (at least, according to the "Intro to World of Darkness" video this channel put out a while back). Something tells me Door and Boy are about to get into some Werewolf shenanigans...
Have you tried them? They taste pretty Descent.
@@RATZGobbler *BADUMTISH*
I'm thinking there's going to be an audio drama where boy and door go to O'teelys but the meal is crashed by the werewolf fapstodes
@@RATZGobblertook me a moment to process it, but I get it
@@RATZGobbler (BAZINGA)
Oh my god, the caveman, he looks like Big D.
Am I glad he's frozen in there and we're out here and he's the Hunter and we're frozen out here and we're in there and- I just remembered! We're out here. What I wanna know is _where's the Ghoul?_
Not to mention in the same scene, the box that was used to hold Magnus the Red in the TTS series is shown as well.
The backgrounds hold a lot of stories, and truths, me thinks.
D to ocam: "lets plot a course"
...wait..
If hes frozen in there..
And were all out here...
WHOS FLYING THE PLANE!
*ambiguous plane crash noises*
@@jaquilynnblaque6888 Just like on the doors to the archive, the two painted characters on the sides are basically re-colors of characters from TTS.
A funny detail just occurred to me. All the Arcanum members/employees are wearing some kind of uniform. Grimal and Harry are in student style formal wear, the lads are in security outfits, and the maids are wearing cleaner’s clothes. And then Elise is still just rocking her big goth dress.
I mean, everyone’s too respectful/fearful of the totally not a witch to call her out on it.
Big goth dress for big goth gorl
It is a formal wear.
She should wear a big and wide brimmed hat.
for me it was when the scalpel landed on Big-D's head XD
I love how this series captures the WoD vibe of "ordinary people getting involved in bizarre shit, but still being ordinary people under it all". Long standing family feuds, bumping into a member of your secret order while they work their day job at a convenience store, bickering over old lovers' quarrels, all while investigating vampiric infiltration.
And then being horrified when the situation escalates to grisly murder.
I really do like this series, it has a dark atmosphere but Big D will light it up! Not something you see in horror stories.
Indeed! You have a guy off his meds getting comforted by an old man, a couple of fitness junkies doing workouts while they wait, and even a pair of maids complaining about unpaid overtime. All of which is incredibly mundane, normal stuff. Which is heavily, HEAVILY contrasted both by the hunt for the ghoul and by the utter evisceration of Fatigue.
17:26
I used to think it was weird that Kitten wore a blanket kilt.
But in this scene it hit me.
It’s an ode to the Captain General design.
His weapon is even a ramshackle Bolt-Halbert.
I'm also like 80% certain he's been cursed to look like a cat or something.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth oh yea that was obvious on day 1.
Isn't that... like really obvious though? The names, the designs, most of them are references to TTS characters. I'd make a list of similarities, but it'd be too long. I'm pretty sure Kitten's ex being a weeb is a reference to the whole thing about TTS Kitten having a tau ex (cuz Tau are alien weebs, etc). So of course, whenever anything about how the characters are designed, their history, their abilities comes up, TTS is the first place you look for for reasons why it's that way. That's why Markus uses a blowtorch in episode 1, because it's the closest approximation of the fiery magic that Magnus would use.
@@tobiashagstrom4168 well consider this.
Dorn is perpetually inside a Centurion Armored suit, but Door is just in Overalls.
Magnus wears an ornate gold and silver outfit, but Marcus just wears a basic shirt, jeans and jacket.
TTS Boy wears a traditional Vox Caster tunic, but HTP Boy just wears an orange sweater.
Kitten is unique as his visual design is the most synonymous with his TTS counterpart than any other character, and I simply hadn’t noticed till this episode.
@@samdurfee6093 Well obviously they're not actually the same characters, and you're not going to expect them to have all the stuff from a sci-fi setting, but they still have obvious design similarities. Door still has short white hair, Marcus has long red hair, D still has long black hair, and Kitten never shows his face, etc. It's way more than enough for any viewer to be expected to pick up on the idea that these are spirtiual successors to the TTS characters, and so that's kind of the obvious place to start making connections whenever analyzing their manners and design, especially for stuff that doesn't make much sense normally.
I'm weirdly impressed with good ol' Slackjaw's abilities as a security guard. I mean, sure he's an absolute disaster once his dad takes the helm, but left to his own devices he's actually halfway competent. He was the first one to notice that Occam was taking far longer then expected and he was pretty effective at herding the crew upstairs when they heard all the screaming. Not bad for a guy with a single digit IQ.
Lets not forget he was the first one to actually assess Occam's health and attempt to wake him up. Surprising initiative from a sludge pit homophobe.
Interestingly, he seems to be a decent dude raised in a terrible direction. It's never him who comes up with the stupid and dangerous plans, but rather his father who he follows. Left to his own whims, Slack actually wants everyone to be orderly and protected well until someone else inevitably does something incredibly dumb.
I’ll give it to him, that single digit has to be a 9
@@megam0nkey895 9.9, he gets the decimal for practical knowledge. If we could see his command skills at a football game that would probably momentarily put him at triple digits imo
That is what I love most about this episode. All the characters are crazy eccentric but they are also very competent. Even Blacklaw Sr. seems like he is both a decent fighter but also knowledgeable enough that he deserves his place in the chapterhouse. Big D leaps to the forefront because he is the biggest of big hams, but none of the characters are single note.
I love that Big D didn't sign the divorce paperwork, and Occam's response is simply to Brain Blast him. The sheer imagery of the attack and sound accompanying it is comedic gold
"SIGN THEM ALREADY, YOU FULLY-ROUND BOTTOMED BABOON!"`
I'm actually surprised Markus didn't call Occam "Stepdad" once xD
I think Occum was thinking, "I should have never gone to that _after work drinking party,_ and have a drinking contest. ESPECIALLY when there is a smashed city clerk in the same bar!
Occam: ...D, I oughta smack you, but I 'love' you so instead I *flick*
You're now at 777 likes, coincidence? (Yes.)
Has anyone ever told you that your profile picture kinda looks like grimal's face when she smiles?
As an Irishman, you did a great job of making Occam sound like an overworked primary school teacher, Bravo.
My God, you're right. Even right down to the "Go Raibh Mile Maith Agat!", something only an especially fed up teacher would shout at a class after delivering a lengthy lecture on them improving their behaviour.
Thank you for identifying the accent. No offense, but I couldn't determine if Occam was Irish or Welsh. I'm a typical American, and I wouldn't know the difference in accents if i took a 4 year course on different languages. 😅😅😅
@@thewhompingwampa2671 For those of you playing the home game, that phrase is the Irish equivalent of a rather sarcastic *"thank you **_VERY_** much!"*
@@joshuasepeda3289I knew that occam was Irish the moment D mentioned "Celtic martial arts" tbh
That's basically what he is.
I think Spit is a werewolf, BUT that does NOT mean Fatigue was a ghoul. I think Fatigue (a werewolf expert and a nice man, perhaps one who wouldn't just go and out Spit in front if a bunch of PROFFESSIONAL HUNTERS) was genuinely trying to keep him calm, but the combination of the stress and the ritalian withdrawals (as someone who takes similar stuff to ritalin, yes, it DOES happen if you forget even for one day!) caused him to have an episode that ended with Fatigue tragically killed. The ghoul didn't have dick to do with it, it was just that the lockdown coincidentally created this situation! As for the real ghoul, I'd call it a 50/50 between the cleaning lady and the doctor.
“ I’ve never met a Homosexual I couldn’t sway!”
So I have a few theories
1.Grimal is the ghoul. In the Pub episode she mentions that she climbes into the vents to listen to the meetings and she's in the security room, **The most ventilated room** when they go to Occam. My theory is that she snuk into the vents and choked out Occam. Only problem with this theory is that she couldn't have killed Fatigue.
2.Matilda is probably either a kinfolk or a werewolf. Her angry and hostile demenour is similar to how werewolves were usually portrayed in WtA (from what I remember). Also notice her namecard, its like she's too angry to properly write down her name. She most likely just pissed that she has to do extra work for no pay
3.Spit is an Imbued. My theory is that Spit is not a ghoul, but an imbued, aka an actual reckoning hunter. Those selected by the Messengers tend to become insane overtime. I belive that he's not going through vitae withdrawal nor is he trying to not hulk out and become a werewolf, what's happening is that the Messenger is currently screaming in his head for him to find ank kill the ghoul but its too much for Spit and he's being overwhelmed.
I like this theory. Makes sense.
I have considered Grimal being possible as the ghoul as not only is she interested in vampire-adjacent studies (Kuei-Jin) it would also make a narrative sense as it wouldn't be the first person Kitten was close with (was it his gf who died or something?) who got tangled up with vampires. Though she is kinda cooky and not sure how reliable she'd be as a mole.
@@JigglyJig
It's also kind of implied that his family may have been killed by something. D tells Kevin he inherited the house after "some horrible tragedy" and Kitten also implies that at least his parents are dead when he's chatting with Door in the Horse audiolog.
I think there is something that adds to this theory. Looking at the wide shot of everyone at 10:36, Grimal looks absolutely miserable and terrified, while everyone else is either looking at Occam or each other, Or doing writing stuff down in Kittens case.
i like the theory that spit is an imbued. To me, the old man seemed a little too smart/calm through out the ordeal and was being rather helpful. My guess is that the old man was gonna kill Giles and blame it on spit since he's acting crazy but Spit gives in to the Messenger and brutally kills the old man to make the voices stop
At the time of writing, just over 1.5k Kevin plushies have been sold.
God bless this community
Gotta help Kevin attain his goal of world domination some how!
Cats for everyone!
That is good to hear. Praise God for that.
Over 3,000 now as it closes!
@theturnc0at Good. Now, Kevin can start his plan for global domination. His first order of business when he's in charge is to get tts back on screen. The first episode when it returns needs to have Shadowsun revive her boyfriend on Mars. 😏😏
And now resting at a very deserved Great and Mighty 5.5K
Some things I noticed that I don't see others talking about:
1:01 a head on top of the back left bookcase during the brawl. It is gone when Occam enters the room. The next time we see one, they're in the archive. The difference is... this one is smiling, and has a curved, pointed nose.
1:18 a loose panel with claw marks in the ceiling of Occam's office.
5:33 Elise's ID has the word Brother crossed out and replaced with Sister in newer ink. But Grimal also has Brother. The only other female member has Doctor instead. Do they not have Sister cards?
5:40 The good doctor is a specialist in psychotropic substances. Drugs that affect a person's mental state. Obviously this might just be an allusion to her cocaine habit but she might also have a hand in Spit's deteriorating mental health.
6:39 Occam never actually shows us his card. His hand covers most of it and what we can see is illegible.
18:50 those same distinctive claw marks on the doors of a cupboard in the Bar. The doors are ajar.
22:21 Based on the movement and events, Kitten went to the Conference room to cool off after leaving the kitchen. Grimal went into the music room, Elise met her and they both went to the security room... with Matilda. Fatigue went to the staff room instead of downstairs where Spit was. Which is directly above Occam's office.
24:24 More scratches on the door to the cupboard under the stairs. Also Big D was hiding under the stairs?
30:07 There's more figures with the long noses in the portrait. One of them that looks like it's getting ready to attack a young Occam. Also is that a Young Big D?!
35:31 This scene is a mess, but here's the thing. That wolf statue? Has a suspicious amount of blood around it's mouth and paws, definitely hints at a werewolf attack. Also the cupboard with the scratch marks, the door of which was previously ajar, is now closed.
We're missing a lot of info though. We haven't seen any of the rooms on the third floor, nor have we seen the inside of the storage room, the 2nd and 3rd floor hallways or the security room.
My current theories: the scratch marks are indicators of the hidden passageways that Occam mentions in the archive. None of them lead to the archive, but it means that individuals can enter and leave the rooms with them in without being seen. It also implies that something with 3 very sharp claws is inside the chapter house. Not something I'd expect from a ghoul. Leading to theory 2.
There is more than one "imposter". Ulterior motives are abound, but there is a chance the attack on Occam, the murder of Fatigue and the Ghoul aren't all related. The weird wooden masks with the long noses and the blue robes intrigue me because at least one of them appears to be *alive*. Occam may very well have been attacked by something that was already inside the archives.
Theory 3: Big D knows how to get into the penis explosion room.
You might be the only person I’ve seen to have pointed out the long-nosed masks
This is incredibly good observation.
Those masks are Blanc Moussi, festival costumes from the Belgian town of Stavelot used to celebrate the 4th Sunday of Lent. Festivities also include throwing confetti and hitting people with inflated pig bladders.
Something I'll note that you hadn't listed, likely as it was too obvious, it seems Elise stole the keys, the wallet and the smokes, gave the smokes to Amanda (you see them in the kitchen) which means that she has the keys to the security and staff areas. Notably, Grimal shouldn't have access to the security area, which implies that Elise handed the keys to Grimal. I don't believe Matilda was with them, she just has access to the security room already (and probably smokes there often enough, as it's "the most ventilated room", hence why she'd know).
I'd bet the security room doesn't have any secret passages leading to it, which means that it's likely the one place our infiltrating werecreature hadn't gone.
One thing to note as well: Elise went downstairs after everyone split up.
I find it likely that Elise is the Ghoul, it's mentioned in another comment that it's probable that Spit is Imbued (it explains the psychosis, especially considering his backstory of having had his family murked by a supernatural threat in all likelihood) but resisting the call (so still affected by Delirium from the werewolf attack) and that it was Elise that choked out Occam in the Archives, having had the time to sneak in there.
There are however many threads left untouched and too many open ended motivations. The reason why Spit isn't a Were is because his clothes should've been torn apart if he transformed. The werecreature had plenty of reason to attack Fatigue, as he's an expert in Lycanthropy (so the were is just cleaning up a 'security breach', I'd bet the were is a Shadow Lord, likely a Ragabash (trickster) that has taken advantage of the situation at hand to deal with threats within the Arcanum).
I find it unlikely Fatigue or the Doctor is the Ghoul, as they have direct Archive access and so wouldn't have needed to wait for a crisis, which very much is what the Ghoul did, as the Camarilla is unaware of the Hunter presence within Norfolk and hasn't connected the dots enough to make any moves. Elise also already showed significant larceny skills, so it's likely that during the confusion, she stole the keys from Fatigue (who's likely to be very imperceptive due to advanced age) to attack Occam, strangle him and steal the information. She's notably also tall and powerful enough to reliably strangle Occam without trouble, especially with a dot of Potence from being a Ghoul.
@@jakalordarkblood4331 elises eyes glow in the bar podcast when she enters
As tragic as the end of TTS was I am very glad it allowed this new series to bloom. One big thing was how this new setting allowed the animated to come into it's own, unconstrained by 40k concept art and thematics.
i dare say it was reborn from the ashes
I genuinely prefer this over TTS to be cvompletely honest
@@auugh43546as do I, but nothing taught me 40k lore as well as TTS did.
New life always sprouts from the dead
@@auugh43546both.
Both is good.
Okay, woah woah woah, can we take a step back here; Slackjaw senior has successfully hunted _Werebears?!_ Never mind the morals of that, this man has killed the single greatest base level threat that can be reliably encountered, presumably alone or with a small group, and not just lived but succeeded. Doing that _once_ is the kind of thing an elder vampire would use as the feather in their cap for eternity, yet this guy has just casually been hunting them for sport like it's nothing. Okay, dude's a legit badass.
I mean, you have to be a badass in some capacity to have a feud with a man like Big D
Matters of what moon they were born under. If they were of the full moon… then that is something else.
I don't know, for a man who has allegedly hunted werebears, he sure seemed rattled by Fatique's gory remains.
He's a formidable man in his own rights, but a mere man taking on a werebear sounds like a tall tale.
I mean, his sworn rival has (supposedly) hunted a methuselah before. Im tempted to trust neither of these characters with their assertions, assuming that there is something that they're not telling us (Be that a complete fabrication, or rather just a half truth), but either way, Both are kinda stupidly insane feats to be struggling with a ghoul.
I feel like he just thinks he's hunted werebears, and instead all he's done is kill either regular bears or the human Kinfolk that the werecreatures keep around for mating purposes.
7:31 what an awesome detail, Blacklaw isn't sitting in one of the dining chairs he's SITTING ON THE FAMILY FOLDING CHAIR!
I did not notice that, it is so much funnier now
I... what is this a reference to?
@@Yormolch The first episode where Slackjaw and his frienss appeared with the bar episode,where Marcus threatening to break his stool scared him due to being something from his family
@@lameassguy900 Ah thank you, haven't rewatched the older episodes in a while :D
@@YormolchOne of the audiologs
One thing I find interesting is the fact that whoever attacked Occam, knew about his Solar Sorcery techniques. If Occam was indeed attacked from behind, then the culprit already knew they couldn't take him head-on, especially since we see how easily Solar Sorcery can incapacitate Big D. The fact that the culprit specifically targeted his throat, and no other parts of Occam's body, means that they also know how Solar Sorcery works and that it requires proper breathing to use.
So this ultimately narrows down the potential suspects to those who are aware of Occam's mastery of Solar Sorcery.
Well D and Blacklaw are out because they were busy fighting each other
This would be a good standing theory, if Occam didn't specifically tell the whole group about his solar sorcery before beginning the ritual.
@@Murmarineyes but he didn't specify about the breathing technique
Occam is a big deal though, it's unlikely that the Regent is unaware of the specifics of his power. And if she is aware, so is the ghoul
@@OHGAS-rt5ucDepends on how much people can learn about it in the Arcanum. Plus his inhale before flicking D’s Forehead wasn’t exactly subtle.
Brokham was surprisingly good.
Not the thug/guard duty but the moment he heard trouble he focused on dropping all grudges and doubts to focus on aiding whoever might be in danger.
These are normal people in abnormal times and it shows in both the humor... And the horror of it all.
We have a ghoul, suspects, and if rumors are to be believed... We may also have a werewolf to make matters worse.
Brok’s a bully and an asshole yeah. But there’s being a jerk and then there’s y’know, *that.*
yknow... it's almost as if this is A GAME OF WEREWOLF HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
There might a little Krork in him.
I don’t think you’ve properly conveyed the danger our protagonists are in.
The Garou are one of the few supernatural beings in the World of Darkness who could survive a full on masquerade collapse. If humans devoted all of their military might toward the singular unified goal of fighting back against the Garou, they would _still_ be destroyed.
And this is just _one_ of them
Characters in WOD are generally that. Characters. Brokham is a dimwitted brute, a bully, and a thug. But he's not a monster. Even he has redeeming qualities. He sees his two hangers on as friends, has a sense of pride in his family (which is one of the reasons he has a chip on his shoulder) and genuinely cares about, and listens to, his father.
Yknow the first time Remold was brought up I expected a random old man that just used his position to make the family’s life miserable, but making him a mirror to D’s insanity and physical power was an absolutely genius move that adds so much to this series
D is chaos unrestrained, Remold is Order personified. The unstoppable force and the immovable object
So my theory is this,
-Matilda, she snatches keys off of people, has a low profile as one of the maids, she reacts strangely to Occam being choked out compared to her colleague Amanda she not shocked, shes mad for some reason, she might be our ghoul.
-Spit however seems to be a werewolf, that's why Fatigue had such a great interest in him, and sadly, killed him in his confusion.
Big D realizes this, I don't think he gets shocked by gore and death or even a ghoul but the thought of being closed in with a werewolf sure does.
-Dr Waters seems suspicious but as she stated before, she didn't really gave a duck to begin with. But after they found Occam unconscious she seems to be worried. I have a hunch she's the ghoul, she worth to be made a ghoul. Shes high ranking and has access to the Archive perfect person to corrupt.
I agree, but I would like to point out Spit seems to be a victim of Delirium at the end. That or this is his first change and, by nothing short of a miracle, he resisted going into his full warform and subsequently became a Lunatic.
Boy kept his clothes on. He can't be the were...
@@geberlancan a werewolf be dangerous when he doesn't turn into a furry but stays in human form?
The thing that innocents Dr. Waters, imo, is exactly that she's high-ranking. If the Ghoul was already a high-rank, there'd be a mass blood hunt from Hunters all over Norfolk already ongoing, since she has Archives access.
But I do agree that we likely have 2 threats: the Ghoul, shown to be more careful and cunning, or at least merciful, due to not actually killing Occam, only knocking him out; and the Garou, most likely Spit, somewhere on the edge of sanity and of his warform, the true threat that, now, even the Ghoul most know must be dealt with.
@@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 My money is on Elise. We know the ghoul can't have archive access since if they did they would be able to gain the data and leave the chapter house. Elise is unaccounted for both the assault on occam and the murders. She's stealing keys and cigs most likely to control the movements of amanda and grimal. She DOES have access to the office where Dr. Waters was, either taking her access or commanding to do so.
Okay, damn, this is some serious mystery. But, to be honest, Grimal is quite suspect, as well as Elise to a lesser extent. In the "Marckus Goes Pubbing with his Weirdo Friends" audiolog, it is mentioned that Grimal crawls around in the vents to listen in on the old guard speaking about vamps. Then, in this episode, on 11:30 , behind the frozen caveman, we can see a vent, and vents clearly need to go somewhere, even if it's refrigerating, or at least I think so.
Next, we see a map, where Grimal-kun-chama is in the security room, to which she isn't supposed to have access. But, at least two people she is friendly with have access: Harry, who can be discounted since he is constantly with someone else and presumably still has the keyring with which he opened the storage room to lift weights, and Elise, who has stolen keys from Giles, who *can* open the security room with his access level. Immediately later, Matilda tells Son-in-Law that "Security room's the most ventilated room in the building." Plus, Matilda might as well have a set of stolen keys, but we can also see her with Git's stolen cigs, which were pocketed by Elise again. Perhaps an exchange took place?
Also, what is notable is that Elise is readjusting her new hairtie. Since the beginning, she wore a green one, until 24:21, where we can see a blue one instead, until the end of the episode. Curiosly, when we see Grimal again, for almost every single time she is on the screen since they find Occam unconscious, a green band can be seen around her hand, even in some barely perceptable frames, like when Marckus rushes to rescue her. And it again is visible as far as the scene of Brok breaking down the door.
Overall, Grimal behaves quite suspiciously, her and Elise both. But, honestly, the skills of Ogre Poppenang team make almost everyone seem extremely suspect, I can't wait to see the next episode, whenever it might come!
You know, i first thought it was Waters or Git. But after rewatching a few times, there are some VERY suspect moments for Grimal. First is during the meeting; first is when Occam describes the ghoul and Amanda says “vampiric?” We see everyones faces, Grimal’s face is the only one that expresses “oh shit did i just get found out?” Also, when Occam says “it will come in flame” look at everyone in the room. Most are focussed or bored or angry in Matilda’s case, but Grimal has a look of unquestionable existential fear. When Occam also tries to see if the ghoul is a traitor or victim, Grimal’s face shows regret and sadness. No one else shares that expression. Next is when they’re in the archives, everyone is staring ahead while walking with Occam. Grimal is looking around intently but secretly, eyeing the bookshelves where presumably the data is.
"do not engage"
"YOU'RE ALREADY ENGAGED, i NEVER SIGHED OUR DEVORCE PAPERS"
That got me so good I had to use my inhaler for the first time this year
"The M60's will come into use later boy."
Oh they better, they better...
If there was ever a chekov-est gun, we found it today!
@@Nightdreamr Oh goodness, I'd forgotten about that! Do you think a werewolf could tank a whole belt of 5.56?
Betcha@@heftyordinanceindividual4015 that they won't appear till the final twenty minutes of the fourth episode of this arch! Bit like Door rocking up in his EOTech gear from the good ol "Mining Days" and a 44 Magnum at the end of the first arch.
@@Nightdreamr A werewolf is more of a M1 Browning problem than an M60 problem~
@@Nightdreamr With the abrams you're still stuck on the ground, what you really want is a fighter jet with laser guided bombs I guess.
I just love how well-written this is. Everyone's saying their theories about who's the ghoul and the episode makes it so any of them could be true. Masterful stuff.
Also it's Horse. Horse is the traitor.
That's a load of Horse Hearsay if I ever read it
It's actually Elise
>She steals the keys, wallet and phone from Git
>She trades them with the maids for access somewhere near Occam
>She's last seen near Occam on the map when he was found
>She dissapeared RIGHT before Fatigue exploded
It's really subtle, but the hints are all there!
@@pteroid11 [BLACK RAGE NOISES] YOUR EQUINE FORM CANNOT HIDE YOU, HORUS!!!
FUCKING Horse!
@@gae_wead_dad_6914 Smart! I know I'm late as hell for this but I think Grimal is the mole sadly. As was stated when kitten was discussing with the staff. The room with the best ventilation for the building was the security office.
Grimal was in the security office and the only way someone could've gotten to Occam past the archive door is through the ventilation. The lie detector as well provides a clue, while we do see Blacklaw as simply a irresponsible sadist, it does not mean he is a complete fool. He is clearly experienced and responsible enough to be in a position of high enough authority and while Grimal was strapped to the detector, he noted how "suspiciously high" her conductivity was.
More than that Grimal appears to be less...mentally healthy compared to Elise. I do not mean that in regards to her personality, or obsession with Japanese culture, but the fact that when she discussed her former relationship with Kitten. His words seem to sting extra hard and show that she may not have completely healed over what happened. Now in regards to her personality though it is the complete opposite of what many think a ghoul's is. Energetic, animated, and playful at times. A perfect disguise truth be told!
7:30 I just noticed that Brock doesn’t have the backdrop for the chair like the others, because he’s sitting on his family heirloom stool from the pubbing episode ☠️
Just realized that it makes sense Markus thought his dad was torturing Elise - as far as he knows,, this is how D got information from Kevin. D's thendency to keep cards close to his chest came back to bite him three times (other two being omitting information about Disciplines and Kevin's driver's license) in this episode.
We know from Kevin’s episode that charm is a big part of D’s interrogation technique. By having Elise do his hair, he was drawing her in and getting her to lower her guard. She was probably singing like a canary before he was interrupted.
But this is another time when D’s reticence backfired on him. If he’s going to lead this family then they need to be able to trust him, and that’s hard when he keeps important information to himself.
@@AnIdiotsLanternThing is, with the things D knows, and he probably knows a LOT, letting stuff slip like that might potentially endanger his entire family. You have to keep in mind, he has two sons, one married, and one with a child of his own, that is a lot of pressure on a hunter of his caliber.
D did BEAT KEVIN with a skillet.. lol
D was in a calm room situation with Kevin and also A VAMPIRE using such a omlette on Elise would ether kill her or make her throw up and D knows this said it himself also it would just make him less trust worthy if remold was just a bit more smart he would have agreed.with kitten also how fucking tall is Brock to hold kitten off the ground with one arm!
Quick note love how fuckin dumb Brock looks in the family photo for the interrogation 30:09
Occam, the homosexual irish sorcerer is a character i never thought I'd see but i absolutely love him and he's now my favourite
Completely agree
I’m going to laugh my ass off if he somehow turns out to be the ghoul
@@TheCorrodedManOccam’s razor sometimes the guy that looks like a magician is a vampore
@@christaswista4014 If that somehow is the solution, I will implode.
@@christaswista4014Wouldn’t Occams razor in this situation be the man who looks like a magician is a magician?
They had to remove Door from the equation cus if they hadn’t none of this none sense would have happened. He would have barred everyone in the archive and the ghoul would have been caught immediately
The implementation of physical agony as a method of extracting information has been proven to be inefficient. - Door.
@@xanmontes8715 torture's fault is not a lack of information but an excess of it. who knows if they are telling the truth or not? most of the time they would just say anything to make the pain stop
@@techpriest2854 Yep, the CIA's done a lot of research on this and they've found torture actually drastically decreases the quality of information gained for two reasons. First is that if the tortured person genuinely doesn't know the information you're trying to extract they'll say whatever they think you want to hear to make it stop, giving you bad information, like you said. Next is that someone who does know what you want to know is more likely to lie or take it to their slow painful grave since the torture confirms their existing bias against the torturer and gives them spite as a motivator to not break or to feed the torturer info just wrong enough to cost them dearly.
@@xanmontes8715 Lol, it wouldn't be for torture. Just practicality.
No need for a murder mystery if everyone's barred in the same room and Door's outside with a gun.
3:02- 3:09 - Occam’s little ‘mhm’ when D says he didn’t sign their divorce papers is the perfect encapsulation of what I reckon their entire relationship was like. Just one absolute ripped golden nutcase of a man coming out with the most insane take on something and his stylish long-suffering silhouette of a husband taking a second to process it and then going ‘yes, unfortunately that does appear to be what’s happening here and I don’t know why I expected anything else’. Beautiful. Stunning. I love these two and I need to see ALL OF THE LORE. An audiolog or a short, I beseech you!
Can we talk about how much the Ogre Poppenang crew is improving in terms of style, animation and voice acting?
It's genuinely impressive, considering these are basically fan-funded projects
Fuck the anime, this was better, i want to say more and give the proper speech/blo w Job to this chapter but, im latín american so....i gonna see this episode a lot of times.
@@facundoarnaiz1380 what
The animation already had a huge jump between the pilot and Arc 1. Now Arc 2 is doing laps on even that
7 long months only to be met with yet another leap in quality in all departments. They do it every single time.
its very impressive , indeed
With a beard that magnificent, Occam must have a particularly well-maintained razor.
I see what you did there :3
That's fun with a cut above the rest. You have a razor sharp wit.
You joke alludes me, care to explain?
@@glimmer6819 Occam's Razor
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
@@glimmer6819
Occam's Razor, also known as the principle of parsimony, is a problem-solving and reasoning principle attributed to the medieval philosopher and theologian William of Ockham (1287-1347). The principle states that among competing hypotheses or explanations, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. In other words, when faced with multiple explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest one is usually the most likely to be correct.
Occam's Razor is not a law of logic or a scientific principle in itself, but rather a heuristic guideline often used in science, philosophy, and various fields of inquiry to guide the selection of hypotheses or explanations. It suggests that unnecessary or extravagant assumptions should be avoided in favor of simpler explanations, as they are more likely to be correct and are easier to test and verify.
I think the Doctor is the ghoul.
We don't see her with anyone else except in group shots, she has access to the archives, and her office is in a place where almost no one would have seen her leave and move down to the first floor. She also appeared remarkably quickly once Occam was found unconscious- even before the rest of the group arrived once they heard Markus, Brock, and Harry making a ruckus. Also it's super weird how all the other character turned gray as soon as she appeared on screen. Maybe the sign of a discipline being used?
Like other comments have said, Spit is probably a werewolf. Whether his erratic behaviour is being caused by Ritalin withdrawal, being about to turn, or some combination of the two (such as stress due to the withdrawal), he and Git were the only ones in the room with Fatigue.
Interesting to note however, that werewolves do have some ability to detect other supernatural beings.
yeah, was thinking (some of) this as well while rewatching
Fatigue is the only other person with archive access that could've done it (Remold either fighting D or torturing people)
also, the old man was a _lycanthropy_ expert, so he would've known to look for signs of Spit turning, hence why he locked Git out and protect him
I agree that the Doctor is the Ghoul. Her eyes were darting left to right when Lord Fatigue was listing the suspects. And when she mentioned Disciplines being vampire magic, she was looking askance or to the side as well. Everyone else, when accused of being a suspect, looked more startled than anything.
@@Galwayshade Her reactions is pure circumstancal speculation. If she was a ghoul then wouldn't the hunters of norfolk all be compromised a long time ago?
@@TheMovieCave she might not have passed on the info until the time is right or until the order from above came through. Just because you have access to info on your foe doesn't mean you should act on it immediately. She could have served her masters better by being their eyes and ears in the Arcanum.
she was also the first to shoot down the whole idea of the ghoul, immediately once occam brought it up.
Is that the South East tower of Yarmouth's old walls to the left of the Chapterhouse? 😄
Fantastic, someone caught it, EPIC job.
@@alfabusa I think I cheated by living right next to it for many years. I absolutely adore everything about H:TP, but the little Norfolk Easter eggs make my day. 💚
Elise is a an easy favorite. Not only does she have a great design, but any person who sees family of her friend break into her place of work, beat up her coworker, and decides to JOIN IN, is the best kind of friend to have.
I'm not just simping because of her.....ahem....bountiful personality (ok maybe a little), but her design is absolutely beautiful
@@RedShirtGuy96I am, she's like, nearly six fuckin foot with arms the size of trunks, she can strangle me anytime lmao
@@RedShirtGuy96It's the RESPECT, you know? I respect how POWERFUL she is... yeah, that's it.
@@RedShirtGuy96 she's got huge tracts of land
@@RedShirtGuy96you guys have strange taste in women
I think it’s Spit, but instead of a Ghoul he might be a Werewolf who just went through his First Change. Ghouls can’t deal that much carnage. And Fatigue’s member card said he was a Scholar of *Lycanthropy*, so him being first victim can’t be a coincidence. Git will probably remember nothing from Delirium.
Oooooh thats a good one......
very good would of never thought
And maybe Fatigue _was_ the Ghoul but now we have an even bigger problem
I did genuinely have a feeling that this could be the case. This is still 'Part 1 of 4', though, and we have no idea how much of that time is going to be spent in the Chapter House.
Admittedly idk how this actually affects WoD lycanthopes, but this did make me realize that, with it being such a beautiful mood-setting backdrop, I hadn't notice at first that there is in fact a full moon on full display for the first minutes of this episode.
According to lord Fatigue; Kitten, Amanda, Markus, Dr. Waters, Lady Elise, Mr. Spires, Mr. Oakley, Grimal-kun-chama, and himself were not tasked with carrying the box. Leaving Remold, Big D, and Harry as obvious contributors, but also Matilda Wilde weirdly enough.
While we don't see her on the stairs after the safe falls, the safe actually bursts through the railing before falling, and she is seen closest to where it broke through. The reasonable part of me is thinking that she was helping by giving directions to the lifters, the unreasonable part of me is shouting "ay yo, why is she so damn strong, and why does no one care?"
No I think you’re on to something. There’s something going on with her and Elise I think. We see a pale hand stealing Giles stuff and Elise is acting off in a few scenes, but then it’s Matilda that ends up with his smokes. Not quite sure what to make of that but I haven’t seen anyone else point it out
I was looking to see if anyone else mentioned that! It would make sense that four strongest people in the chapter house were the ones carrying it, two at each end (D and Remold at the front, Brok and Harry at the rear), and Matilda does not exactly fit that equation of "who was there carrying the box". Also, one could latch to the fact she calls the infighting "pathetic", which COULD be dismissed as just her jaded outlook and irritation; but if she WERE a ghoul trying to not get caught, this would be a nice covert gloat of "these are the people trying to catch me?"
However, one could argue she wouldn't exactly be able to give any directions, not to D and Remold - the box literally got dropped because both of them were trying to take charge of the carrying in the first place. Doesn't mean she wasn't even trying, though - maybe D and Remold were just too bullheaded to listen to her? Remold, after all, is an utter classist who wouldn't let a lowly maid command him, and D wouldn't stand Remold trying to command HIM and also was kinda prideful and trying to seize initiative in the first place.
@@devonl.7010 the doctor is also one of 3 people besides Occam with archive access
Remold was either fighting D or torturing someone, Fatigue was around Spit most of the time, and the only times she appears are when everyone's gathered somewhere
not only that, she appears very quickly when they find the unconscious body of Occam
A pale hand? It's got black painted nails, that's clearly Elise.
@@zacariasdelalcazar8873 it's pale, chubby, with black nails, AND it has a long black sleeve that only Elise has. not only that, but you can see Elise with one of Git's rolls between her teeth immediately after. she definitely was the one who initially swiped them.
28:14 I love the look down D gives to Markus during this bit. It’s like after all the time he’s spent trickle feeding information to his sons to avoid them knowing too much, it seems he really doesn’t wish to give this knowledge out. Considering it means his son here would know more about vampires and increase the danger he’d be putting him in. But knows he has to
And so the 1000th Kevin enters MY DOMICILE! The improvement of animation on this series is incredible. I can only wait for more!
OH SHIT YOU ARE THE KING OF KEVIN I CROWN THEE
@@alfabusaOH MY GOD, ALL HAIL THE KING OF KEVINS
THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN!
I OFFER MY FRIEND, KEVIN, UNWILLINGLY AS TRIBUTE
THED WHWAT
This might be the absolute last thing that's important to focus on, but my heart breaks for Grimal and her drama with Kitten. Their whole argument about him being free and out of the arcanum, "You should be happy!", that's not her whining about something she doesn't understand, it's clear as day Grimal wants him to be in a better place than when he was with her.
More, it *just* hit me that Grimal is just as (if not more) broken about her trauma than Kitten, and blaring FotNS music could be a coping mechanism, white noise to quiet out a very *loud* brain. And that's what she was trying to do for Kitten: help him cope and struggle through shared experience. But when he found both other outlets (video games) and another, healthier partner to rely on (Marckus) Kitten _turned_ on Grimal, seeing those hurt attempts at care as just selfish or "weird" quirks of an ignorant girl.
At least that's my take. I don't expect her and Kitten to get back together in any capacity, but *damn* if I don't feel bad for her when Kitten (understandably, but probably _wrongly)_ calls her out like that. Please don't take Harry or Elise from her babygirl deserves the world.
It was rather yikesy from her tbh
Im honeslty worried that Harry is the Ghoul OR possibly a Werewolf (if the ongoing theory of a werewolf in their mist isnt false).
We dont see much of him but i could be mistaken.
@@peterwhite6415 Yeah it could be possible ? He appears to only be your average joe but that would actually be a really good cover.
Along with the fact that he does not want to get involved in fights (audio drama at the bar), perhaps he wants to hide his inhuman strengh ?
Then again, those are really small clues and kind of a stretch when others have appeared way more suspicious in this episode lol
Everyone here has really well written mental illnesses, traumas and coping mechanisms. Everyone is trying their best, and that's what makes it feel special. In a world that focuses so much on how people can become monsters, or become heroes, its an important aspect.
@alphawolf621 wait, which vampire? Pyotr?
I believe the ghoul, whoever they may be, is NOT responsible for the butchering of Fatigue.
The ghoul strangled Occam, who was alone in a room for around two hours, to the point of unconsciousness. Seeing how the ghoul could have easily murdered him, I think they are, genuinelly, not happy with this current circumstance and still considers the arcanum members friends and colleagues, resorting to the minimum level of violence necessary to not get discovered and leave the building free.
And then Fatigue gets turbo murdered, with innards and pieces of the nice and caring old man splattered across the room like a flimsy card castle facing a tornado. This level of violence seems completely agaisnt the ghoul's previous attack, more akin to that of a wild beast. It's also notable how, amidst the savagery, Spit seems to be completely unharmed and the other guard is locked away from the massacre, seemingly not of his own volition, meaning that the murdered just committed a heinous attack and then left two possible witnesses alone for no reason...
Seeing how someone has theorized that Spit may in fact be some sort of werecreature fighting back a transformation, I'm going to up the ante. Fatigue, being a specialist in lycanthrope lore, knew to some degree what was happening and was trying to help spit keep the beast at bay since having to deal with a ghoul among us and a werecreature survival horror would spell disaster. In fact, I believe Fatigue is the one that locked Git away in his last moments, as Spit was transforming to keep him safe.
Why didn't he say anything? Well, the ghoul could be anyone, and if they knew there was a man on the brink of transforming into the world's most convenient distraction, you can bet they were going to take advantage of it.
Or it may be just a drug problem and the old geezer saw past it, I dunno. Theories are fun like that.
just wanna put it out there, one of the staff ladies, whose last name is Wilde, never shows her hands, seems really not chummy with anyone, and said: "pays not good enought". Was not with any of the known groups at the time of the attack
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*oh no*
This is a good theory. I however must disagree. Spit is still wearing his intact uniform.
Whowever the werewolf is, I feel bad for them, because I have sneaking suspicion this is where M60s might come in once the change occurs.
8:57
You just know that as soon as this madness is over he is going to cash in *all of his vacation days* to go skydiving.
Who could forget such lovable characters as:
Dad Demperor of Dadkind
Cat Wonder
Redheaded Stepface
Dorn
Meat Child
Screaming Wizard
Horse Lupercal
KRAAAKUS
Officer Balls
Norf Lad
The Simulacrum of Japanese Pop Culture
Goth Titania
Warboss Manchesta
Retail Ghoul
Sputum
The Fuming Dutchman
And Oculus Imperia as Himself
This is gonna be a blast.
Officer balls from the aslume?
Is there a lore reason? Is he stupid?
Warboss Manchesta lol
The Fuming Dutchman
*I can’t breathe*
Everyone else gets an epithet, but there is one for whom the name of *DORN* is description enough.
ALFALFABUS EXISTS *stump stump*
Notice how grimaline gets annoyed when kitten refers to her by her full legal name and than grimaline smiling when fatigue refers to her as "grimal-kun-chama"
I think she's the ghoul.
@@xanmontes8715 Elise is the ghoul
@@zapan9643 No no, Krakus is the ghoul
@GoldSpangledBananaBoy no no Guy Chapman is the ghoul
Here's a theory based on breadcrumbs from other episodes:
1. The ghoul was inserted quite some time ago, given that the information is from Kevin when he was still with the Regent.
2. The Regent and co. know nothing about D and his family, which means the ghoul doesn't know them either. Therefore, the ghoul entered the chapter house after D's exile. (Ironically, Blacklaw kinda saved D by also banning all his works thus limiting info the ghoul can gather on him)
3. Brok, Spit and Git are all new hires, as Grimal doesn't know who they are during the pubbing incident.
Based on Point 2 we can deduce that the Occam, Blacklaw, Marckus's friends are not the ghoul because they have long known D and family are hunters.
Based on Point 1 and 3 we can remove Brok, Spit and Git.
This leaves Amanda, Matilda, Dr Waters and Fatigue.
Fatigue we can rule out as the swole paintings of him show he has been at the chapter house for a long time.
Amanda we can maybe rule out as she knows Kitten is "nice", which leads me to think she was here before D's exile.
Dr Waters is an elder which suggests she's been here a long time, but we have no information on exactly how long.
Matilda's kind of an unknown, but we know she doesn't know Kitten.
Of course, Point 2 assumes that the ghoul would pass all the information about hunters to the regent. How much self control would a ghoul have? If they can willingly refrain from providing information then Point 2 falls apart (for example, if Grimal, Harry or Elise is the ghoul and was able to not report D's family to protect Marckus and Kitten, or Occam protecting D).
Mmm, I think its more implied they burnt all the works that Big D *contributed* to the Arcanum rather than his personal details. Keeping track of hunter activity is still their M.O so I doubt Occam would want that deleted. Plus, its possibles the details have been inside the archives for a while, but are only now being stolen because of the deadline, or that while people *knew of D* they didn't know his address
It could also be that Kevin knew a Mole was *going* to be planet, which I'll admit is a weaker arguement but still a possibilty.
Damn, nice deducing. I'm not smart enough to think of that myself.
@@slothguy5946don't worry. Some people are really REALLY into some of these videos.
That's a really really strong point.
Tho I think Matilda asks "why are you all back?" Which might imply she was here when they were.
Great theory somethings to account for episode 1 they are being followed by a vampire the fiddler 28 mins in and so the camarilla have some info on the family but how much is left be said
Man, it's been a hot minute of the mostly purely audio-focused inbetween episodes and MAN the sheer jump in animation quality from the first arc to this one is phenomenal. Knocked it right out of the god damn park.
My congratulations on withstanding the urge to include the phrase "among us" at any point during this.
I know I never could have.
"There is an IMPOSTER in this chapter house!!!"
S U S
*FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS I LAY DORMANT, WHO HAS DISTURBED MY-* Oh, it's Bruva Alfabusa and he has returned with a new episode of Hunter the Parenting.
Glorious.
DBZA reference, nice
AND HE ENDED IT WITH A GODS-DAMNED CLIFFHANGER! I SHALL IMPATIENTLY AWAIT IT'S RESOLUTION!
Ah, another immortal being, what a surprise. I thought i was the last one... Damned to exist as the living embodiment of madness and rage... It appears however, that I'm not alone anymore!
Me seeing this video come out: "Damn, 40 minutes, such a long video!"
Me after watching a 40-minute video without dragging my eyes off the screen: "I need longer videos."
BIG MOOD
Seriously, it felt more like 5 minutes
@@BierBart12yeah i feel like 5 min super short
Mood
It truly astounds me how consistently good this series is, and it keeps improving after every episode. Worth the wait in all regards
It saddens me that Door and Boy were pushed aside for this episode, but this also means we might be getting an audio log with them, which makes me very happy
I suspect that is exactly what’s going to happen, it seems to have been set up for exactly that
I am desperately hoping that we will get an O'Tolleys audiolog. It would be a great way to introduce Pentex.
Yeah, Plus they have a very specific dynamic together. Boy is very frequently the most vulnerable Target, while Door has arguably similar strength to an uninjured Marcus, if not more. D and company having too much of a numbers game can hurt the tension.
Plus, Door and Boy are precious together.
We don’t want Boy to be traumatized by the gruesome deaths [ Especially Lord Fatigue and perhaps others ], Do we?
I demand an audio log of an angry American being dissapoited in what the British consider a BURGER
Only 2 minutes in and im BLOWN away by how good the art and animations has become! I've been glued to my screen trying to keep track of EVERYTHING and im taking my shot at the suspect!
First off Spit is a red herring, dude is probably just suffering from hangovers or withdrawal from something else. Then i thought Giles and that his bloody smokes were infused with something that affected the minds of everyone smoking them, but Elise and Matilda who were the only one smoking them didn't show any signs. Then i thought it was weird how Matilda suddenly acquired the smokes after Elise pilfered them from Giles. Matilda went to the kitchen before the smokes were even pilfered, and Elise headed up the stairs towards the security room to get Grimaline, so she never passed by the Kitchen where Amanda and Matilda were located.
She only appears near it when she meets up with Kitten who's leaving the Kitchen after talking with Amanda and Matilda. Furthermore Matilda helped carry Occam from the archives to his office which is located right next to it, meaning she was on the second floor while the interrogation was happening in the Conference Room, where the violent screams could be heard. Finally blood withdrawal in ghouls caused visible symptoms according to Occam, meaning that smoking a blunt could help take of the edge of those symptoms and who knows what's hidden beneath those yellow cleaning gloves Matilda was wearing the entire time.
The final scene in the Pub locates Giles in the Pub Toilet which is locked apparently, while Spit and the deceased Fatigue are out in the open. From the building blueprint and the viewer's perspective that leaves the door leading to the Hallway as the only escape route where the culprit doesn't run into the gathering group outside the pub door, which is located right next to the top of the 1st floor stairs. So unless they hid themselves in the closet located in the Pub (Which was opened before) or the Recreational Room there is a good chance they're on the 3rd floor. So while im suspicious of Matilda, due to the aforementioned reasons, there is a flaw in my thinking because of the fact that she was with everyone else as the Pub door was kicked in, meaning she probably was with Dr. Waters and Harry the entire time, so unless the culprit used vampiric disciplines to confuse or manipulate the minds of those they were together with, i don't see how anyone could move around unnoticed. Additionally the murder most likely took place right after Elise, Markus and Big D left the recreational room and headed towards the Conference Room to confront Blacklaw and Brok, which puts 8 persons in the Conference Room, 4 in Occam's Office, and 3 in the Archives, although Giles, Spit, and Fatigue moved to the Pub sometime during the Brawl in the Conference Room.
So in conclusion, i think it's a third party that's at play here, especially because Elise was about to mentioned something to Big D she noticed while getting Grimaline before she was cut off by Markus storming into the room. Additionally there were scratch marks on the Pub Closet doors and the Chamber beneath the stairs which Big D popped out off, meaning they could've been used as hiding spots while people moved around the building. Someone could've moved from the Harry Potter stairway chamber into the Archives to Choke out Occam, before moving into the Pub closet where they remained hidden until Spit and Fatigue discovered them, and judging from the blood splatter and knocked over glasses and bottles, it almost looks like someone was knocked into the bar counter by something coming from the opposite direction before being torn apart with brute force and claws.
Holy hell, you got a heart from Alfabusa. You might be onto something.
Some people mentioned scratches too.
It must be someone with claws, which narrows down the number of suspects.
It's implied they at least took off their gloves to give blood but yea, after that they never do. Maybe ones hiding claws?
I think this theory holds the mosy water. Others have suggested that there is also a Garou (Were-beast) among the cast, and I believe them to be the second party.
I didn't noticed the scratch marks in the ceiling during Occam, Grimaline, and Elise's meeting in the very beginning, so that definitely sounds like a option. Lord Fatigue also happened to be a Scholar on Lycanthropy Lore, so there is a possible connection there. @@rustyyamate5888
Absolutely love how D's face in 26:27 pretty much says "boy you try to handle me and you'll regret it for the rest of your life (the next minute)"
Mah boi...
I suspect it’s Doctor Waters, she’s absent for a large portion of the episode, (“catching up on some reading”), and only returns herself to the cast after Occams assault, exactly as the others trying to enter the archive find Occam unconscious.
Despite the fact that she was apparently in her office which is two floors above the archive, and she somehow discerns that he was chocked from behind, which as far as I know is impossible to discern at a glance.
Additionally she is stated by Occam to also be one of the four members of the chapter house with access to the archive. So assuming the cast as a whole left the arcanum, and the door was closed and locked, then the only people who are possible culprits are those who have their own means of accessing the arcanum, which includes Dr. Waters.
She’s also described by one of the housekeepers as a “Cocaine Doctor”, and we know that vampire blood is a potent narcotic, who’s use produces effects similar to but grater than other narcotics, such as cocaine.
I don’t think it’s her, largely just because we haven’t seen enough of her to be cued into that. Also she could probably tell Occam was choked from behind from the marks on his neck - it’s surprisingly easy to tell the difference between choke marks from hands vs those from arms, and if someone got him in a chokehold using their arm they probably did it from behind
The archive is on the second floor, not the first. Note the map and the fact that the prison chamber had to be transported _down_ a flight of stairs.
D getting stabbed in the head by a scalpel and either not noticing or not caring has to be one of my favorite details I feel like we aren’t talking about enough
His mighty and thick hair stopped it
27:40 it took me an unholy time to realise, but Dr. Waters actually has some white powder under her nose here. guess Matilda wasn't calling her "the cocaine doctor" for nothing. at very least we now know what kinda "reading" she was doing in her office...
Oh hells, didn't note that one, brilliant
That explains why she's acting so twitchy.
Might be trying to emulate the rush of fresh vitae from a kindred that a ghoul experiences. The police constable said he tried various drugs and none compared to it.
The Cop Ghoul we saw before said he was doing hard drugs when on vamp blood withdrawal...
Could the doctor use of drugs be because she is the ghould and trying to keep her marbles when low on vamp blood with other means?
@@SuperWalkingGame ohoho
34:49
The viscera, Git trapped in the closet, Spit clinging to his head crying for help (its likely he caved to withdrawal), the death of that kind old fellow, the sheer brutality of him being ripped apart...its so *mean*. It's so unendingly cruel that THAT is how he was taken out, and for such a kind old soul. And everyone's reaction sends this home; no comedy, no gag, just staring horrified at what has happened...holy shit this show is so good.
He's either the ghoul or worse. he's a werewolf and he's having trouble controling his warform
@@theenderdestruction2362 I think it's more likely he's a ghoul. Specifically a Malkavian Ghoul. The madness and his concern about voices in his head, considering he was only ever present during scenes where everyone is together plays more likely into this.
@TheEvational lets hope it's that, but the reason why im saying he might be a werewolf is cause I'm not sure that level of well violence is something a ghoul can do in such a short time, though your most likely right
@@theenderdestruction2362I would agree, a ghoul would have to really wreak house to cause that level of damage and be quite good at potence to do that. and they sure as hell would have to bolt after. Either the goul has a *very* low generation master or it's not quite a ghoul. I guess the tzimiscie could craft a ghoul to be able to do that but it would be quite the investment. my current guess is the old lady. she is the only one that we can not in some way account for. everyone else had a buddy during one of the incidents so she is the last one who could have done it.
@@TheEvational But how did Git get locked in the closet? Was he tossed in by Fatigue when he saw Spit succumbing(assuming he IS the ghoul, although the signs seem to point him.)? Or was it Spit when he was starting to lose it and flung him with a swipe of his arm due to his enhanced physical strength befitting a ghoul? Either way it’s not looking good for our heroes.
By the 5 laughing gods, the animation and art is amazing! so is the writing! well done!
There is something so jarring about seeimg the horrific remains of whatever unknowable brutality was inflicted upon poor innocent Fatigue then seeing the name "cockpuncher3" in the credits. I love indie animation.
Its either spit is succumbing from redrawl or worse hes a werewolf having trouble controlling his warform
@@theenderdestruction2362 One theory I have with Spit is that he's a Ghoul, but he's a Ghoul to a _Malkavian._ So he's got not just withdrawal, but a diluted lunacy from Malk blood taking its toll on his mind.
@Bluecho4 that could be it, but i just hope its only spit, cause if spit isnt working alone or theres something also there? Then thats fucking bad
@@theenderdestruction2362Garou shape changing destroys clothing. As for vitae withdrawal his symptoms are wrong.
@@Bluecho4 Even a Malkavian ghoul wouldn’t fall like this. They wouldn’t dare fail their domitor and miss out on the “love” of Caine.
Belgian Man Spotted
Hide your colonies.
He's a lovely little belgian waffle ain' he?
Proceed with caution.
@@arklaw8306 hide your hands
@@Kaarl_MillsHide all of Congo
you know i suspected spit for being offscreen most the time and showing withdrawl symptoms but now it feels too obvious that the guy covered in blood next to a gore pile is the killer
A part of my brain is telling me that it being too obvious could be a misdirection but its so much more interesting if he's not.
The possibilities introduced if he's not the ghoul are way cooler: Maybe he's something else, a werewolf, maybe someone else is messing with his mind, maybe the ghoul is using his withdrawal as misdirection.
Plus the crews writing is better than simply making the most obvious option the answer. Unless it's just one big double misdirection but I don't think so.
Well, there are likely multiple things in the chapter house. Observe closely, there are claw marks everywhere. Ghouls don't leave those.
Also, the last thing we heard from Fatigue was "Don't Panic."
He is an elder hedge magician. I think Fatigue was the ghoul, and I think Spit is something else. A regular ghoul, unless they are from a stupidly high generation vampire, which the Regent is I suppose, would not be physically vapable of that level of violence, especially during withdrawals.
I think Fatigue was the ghoul, tried something, and Spit went ham on him.
Two things come to mind. One is that the case. The other is (I don’t have any idea of the magic system in the masquerade.) the old man was the ghoul and it’s some kind of illusion but that just a random guess.
@@benjaminhartsock3281 possible but i have a better idea. If the theory is true,simons a garou near first change,what if fatigue tried helping simon calm down because hes seeing the signs,and Simon went crinos, accidentally killing the mage in his frenzy and then transformed back resolving what happened
Yeah, but Git's boss is a vampire, though. There's a strong possibility that he's the ghoul.
Big D, before succumbing to pull of the hole, he accuses Giles of knowing something about it being there at all.
How convenient of Giles to be locked in the toilet when Lord Fatigue is torn apart.
He may be a Ghoul, and he may be responsible for Spit; like a beast handler or some-sort.
We also see none of the candidates covered in blood or remains, and it seems absurd that any one of them would have the time to change their clothes in a time like this.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 it certainly seems like it has to be one of the three in that room.
The question remains: is Spit a red herring? And all this mentioning of were-creatures is a distraction.
@@eagle_and_the_dragon I have a question for you did they check if there was anything in the cold tessalation first and what if it's escaped?
@@thaddeuspowell8438 don't believe so. It's currently still at the bottom of the staircase, as I can recall.
WHAT'S UP WITH THE SCRUNCHY.
ELISE STARTS WITH A GREEN ONE, SWAPS IT OUT FOR A BLUE ONE, AND THEN WE SEE GRIMEL WITH THE GREEN ONE.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE FUCKING SCRUNCHY?
WHAT THE FUCK IS A SCRUNTCHY ?
Usually it's to hold your hair in place.
Demarcation maybe perhaps
thats honestly a good point, why change it at all?
@@cyberus1403 perhaps the ghoul can mimic others forms
So, Elise stole everything from Git's pockets, Gimels ends up in the security room with the stolen keys, and then the cleaning lady woth the gloves is shown smoking Git's cigarettes (presumably for staff level access to a room someone couldn't enter alone). Nice little murder-mystery clues getting placed around this part.
Maybe Elise gave her the cigs for the security room? Both the cleaners have access and the lady with the shorter gloves does consider it for Kitten
Is the twist going to be half the people are guilty?
@krunchie101 Personally? I'm thinking the ritual was a bluff to make the ghoul act in a way that Gimel could view on the security cameras and have evidence of what the fuck's going on, but with the old man murdered at the end (and Given we've seen Brujah and Tremere so far, there are a few options on HOW he got gibbed), either they weren't expecting a ghoul with powers, the old man was actually the traitor and they have to retroactively figure out wtf just happened, or some other amazing twist. Either way, looking forward to the next part.
Do remind that there's scratch marks behind Git at 19:24
There's likely 2 suspects, a ghoul and a werewolf
@@iwillzpwnu5686 Oh shit your right
Ok so here’s a fun break down of the suspects:
We know for a fact the ghoul cannot be:
D, Marcus, or kitten: they’re the main cast and the only characters we can 1000% be positive are not the ghoul.
Remold or Brok: they are always accounted for with other members of the chantry at any given time (usually each other) and brok is just way too dumb to be able to infiltrate the chantry.
Harry: He was with Marcus during the first attack on Occam and was in the medical office with 2 other chapter members during the attack at the end of the episode.
Potential but unlikely suspects:
Amanda: she’s been accounted for in just about every scene, and what’s more interesting is that she was the first to be interrogated by the blacklaws and gave away nothing that indicate vampiric influence even under such an ineffective data collection like torture. Also of the 2 cleaning staff she seems to be the only one actually confused and caught up on the fact vampires exist.
Git: another character we know is accounted for during the first attack on occam as he was in the pub with remold and brok. BUT despite that he does work in the 99p store that IS run by a ghoul of the regent! If the manager lady is aware of giles’ other job she would likely mention and inform the regent to ghoul him as well.
Actual suspects:
Matilda: she is verrry much not as shaken about vampires being real as Amanda was. It’s also pretty apparent she doesn’t like working at the chapter house. This could be stuff to be potential red herring but she also has 3 very interesting things that could point to her actually being the ghoul. The first 2 points of order is when she was speaking with kitten in the kitchen she mentioned how she and Amanda have ways around clearance and usually steal keys. In that same scene she also wonders if the whole ghoul situation will “cost her the job” which is not a worry for anyone NOT guilt of being a blood slave. The third point is that lord fatigue during the vault carrying recap mentions everyone not fit enough to carry the vault and very pointedly does not mention Matilda as one of the people not fit enough for the job.
Grimmal: in a previous audiolog she mentions how she manages to eavesdrop on chapter meetings by traversing the vents of the chapter house. During the time of Occams attack she is unaccounted for and seen on the map as being in the security room “the most ventilated room” in the building according to Matilda. This would allow her to bypass the need for archive access since she doesn’t have a key, allowing for her to get the drop on occam potentially. She also seems weirdly resistant to the blacklaw torture machine, and gives an excuse of the harness being sweaty.
Elise: also unaccounted for during the attack on occam, and is suspiciously close to the archives when it happens. We do see her pilfer giles’ wallet, keys, and smokes so clearly she has some ulterior motive for these actions. Also I personally find it interesting that D’s first choice to interrogate was Elise of all people, he may be a fucking loon but the man’s intuition is usually more fine tuned than his grip on reality. Also this episode shows her disappearing JUST before any big event happens every single time.
Spit: the general consensus pretty clearly outlines that spit isn’t the ghoul, but is instead a werewolf (a point I agree with) but he is also one of the few characters unaccounted for during occams attack so… I gotta put him here.
Dr. Waters: another unaccounted character during occams attack, and only one of 4 characters with archive access. She shows up after occams attack suspiciously quick, and diagnoses the bruising on occams throat as “from behind” which was unprompted. She also is one of the only characters to clock what a discipline and spells it out in layman terms. Also she tends to have a weird grey filter going on anytime she speaks.
Lord Fatigue: yes I know he had the funny accident at the end of the episode but it could still have been him who was the ghoul. He is also unaccounted for during occams attack, and had archive access. And let’s face it we all basically thought it was going to be him before the rug pull.
And finally my personal #1 suspect:
Occam: he was completely alone in the archives so it’s impossible to say what actually happened in there, and let’s be honest a ghoul would be smart enough to fake an attack on themselves to raise suspicion in order to degrade any cohesive effort to actually root them out which kitten even alludes to. Speaking of when kitten says “why didn’t we all sit around in a circle and wait for occam to finish the ritual” the reason for it was that occam literally gave them a task they would never have been able to do with how much everyone hated one another. Let’s also talk about how even though he was “attacked” and moved to the medical office he was suddenly right back on his feet after fatigue’s own attack. And like come on his name is literally occam, as in Occam’s razor… the guy at the top is always corrupt and he just so happens to be vampire corrupt.
Based on your analysis, I'm starting to think Elise might be the ghoul.
Remember how she snuck up on everybody in the pub episode? Her eyes were briefly glowing and she sort of "faded in" grom the shadows.
I dunno, man; sounds pretty ghoul-y, to me.
Grimmel couldn't have gotten to Occam through the air vents, Occam said that there may be many secret passages in the house, none of them lead to the Archive room and there's only one way in or out of that room.
Everything else is spot on though
I personaly believe Dr Waters is the ghould, as she is also described as cocaine addict, which, if we remember the interrogation log, Guy Chapman was trying Black Tar Heroin to try and replace the withdrawal effects from lack of vampire blood.
Now ive been told cocaine is weaker to black tar heroin, so I may be in the wrong for thinking this, but it still leads to it.
On the others, I think Elise just pickpockets shit for fun, as Gits cigaretes may be some good shit, and also, just to be able to get anywhere when you wish to not be bothered mighr be a good reason to pick pocket the keys. Also, free money.
Grimmal might be a ghoul, as you did give a good reason, unlike others in the comments, mistaking vampires with ghouls, so i congratulate you on changing my opinion.
Occam, while i did find it suspicious how he talked when told about a mole, i still think he is not the ghoul, as i think that would mean the vampires already pretty much controlled the entire Arcanum and would be doing wild blood hunts every tuesday. I also dont recall for how long the ghoul has been in the arcanum, or for how long has D and his family been kicked out
Grimal was probably sneaking into Occam's office through the vents, Dr. Waters also was quite eager to enter his office when an excuse presented itself. There's something or even someone ("all active members are present" = there's one on ice?) in Occam's office that they both want.
The only thing about Occam being the ghoul that does not add up is - how can he use the Solar Sorcery then? Wouldn't that hurt him and wouldn't he suffer obvious withdrawals? Plus if he really was the ghoul - what was the point of him taking D's warning seriously and initiating the lockdown? He's the head honcho of this facility - he could've just told D and his family to GTFO because they're speaking nonsense (while getting massive appraisal from Remold btw) and keep doing what he was doing.
Giles might be the Ghoul. He's the one who works at the 99p store that is controlled by... SOMEONE. He's also someone in a position of authority while being low enough on the ladder that he would not be a prominent figure, keeping in line with the whole Masquerade thing. Having ghoul traits would also help with keeping him awake and invigorated to hold two jobs (even though that wasn't such an odd thing even in 2006), on top of whatever else they are paying him on the side (though considering what Kevin said during the interrogation, they probably aren't). He was also the only character aside from Spit who was close to Fatigue when he was turned into floor spaghetti.
Spit might also the the ghoul, and his withdrawal symptoms are manifesting as ADHD (or exacerbating it). His panic attacks are the result of something he doesn't want to talk about with Fatigue, and he drew his blood for the ritual from around the corner where no one could see him draw it. Someone mentioned something about werewolves. He could also be a werewolf; unlikely, but that's what would have given him the strength to spread Fatigue around the room like so much peanut butter on not enough bread, and the torso does have some gaping lacerations, besides.
Dr. Waters is a distant, but very prime, third suspect. She has Archive access and has medical expertise. The Camarilla likes to ghoulify people with connection to the medical industry for easy access to vitae.
And then there's the fourth option. The Box. The Box almost seems like a red herring, but could it have had something in it already? How did it get out? Did Blacklaw and Big D accidentally let it out? Could it be the Methuselah that Big D claims to have killed?
The last option is that it's a complete stranger. Or someone who is assuming the form of one of the Arcanum members.
Whoever killed Fatigue is not part of the Camarilla. The Camarilla doesn't kill wantonly unless it's to perpetuate the Masquerade. Killing people brings unnecessary attention to their areas of activity. The ghoul would have incapacitated Occam to prevent him from completing the ritual, or to sabotage the cups. Killing Fatigue must have been something that happened in a sudden, uncontrolled manner, like a werewolf transformation.
30:52 "There is no time to be lost."
You may take Alfabusa out of Warhammer, but you will never take the Warhammer out of Alfabusa.
BATTLE BRUVAS
Also the "WE WILL DO IT" when lifting the box.
For me this series is just "Big-D" having fun during the Age of terra and protecting humanity from daemon, mutants and other entities that try to take over Terra in the 2nd millenium, but well it just me after all. Regardless this seem like a full crime chapter by now, truly worthy to be in a game board. Thus I can't help to wonder who is the true ghoul by now or if there are other ghouls for all we know, despite the obvious synthoms I think that Spit was more as a false suspect, most likely he is in drugs or something that the actual ghoul, thus I wonder if it will not turn out that actually Occan is in fact the ghoul and that he strangled himself somehow to put himself out of the suspects...but I guess it is just silly, after all if the vampire had already manage to turn the master of the Chapter house(or the Chapter Master I guess) the information about the Hunter of Nolfolk should already been compromised by ages now...unless they are from one of the three main factions(I know that there are more but, I am new to this franchise) of Vampire, who are trying to use the Hunters to weaken the other two factions...any thoughts?
@@pnutz_2 Spehs Mehreens - todeh the enemeh is at oah doah. We know oah duteh, and we will do et.
We fight for oah honah, as Blood Rehvens, as Spehs Mehreens ... and we fight in the nehme of the Emprah!
And if we dieh this day we dieh in gloreh. We dieh heroes deffs ... but we shall not dieh.
Noh! It is the enemeh who will taste deff and defeat. As you know...
Most of our Batul Bruvas are stationed in spehs, prepared to deep strike.
Our perimeter has been prepared in the event that our enemies should be so bald and so fewlish.
We have placed numerous beacons, allowing for multiple, simultaneous, and devastating defensive deep strikes.
The Codex Astartes nehmes this manouvah Steel Rehn.
We will descend upon the foe, we will overwhelm them ... we will leave noh alive.
Meanwhile, our ground forces will ensure the full defense of our headquaters.
We are the Spehs Mehreens! We are the Emprah's Fureh!
@@francescosaporiti1431 You're not wrong, but the factions don't deal with Hunters too well. Both the Camarilla and the Anarchs keep to the Masquerade more than anything, while The Sabbat would never lower themselves to working with mortals. But yeah, Spit's innocent, suffering either from his headache or Delirium caused by a Werewolf.
I love how the episode made everyone outside of the core family act suspicious one way or the other either by the actions they took,their words or their facial expresions.
This is legit a great mystery, when this story is conculed it's gonna be a treat watching it all over again.
My theory right now is that there is more than one ghoul however one is working for the Camarilla while the other is working for the Sabbat or some other independed vampire organization.
Agreed, a lot of actions or dialogue will seem really foreshadowy in the near future.
i think its spit, seems obvious but the end kinda solidified it for me
The person who choked Occam was probably Elise, since she stole the keys to the archive and then vanished for quite a while. Maybe that'd be too obvious, or I made false assumptions before watching this 10 more times to see all the little details
Yes the writing is absolutely gold but forced split-ups are just a little bit of lazy plotholes for my taste. I mean, c'mon; not to linger far away was a direct order from Occam...
@@BierBart12She stole Giles' keys, who only has staff access. He wouldn't have the keys to the archive unless he, for some reason, stole them from someone who did.
Really love the fact that Fatigue used the Japanese add-ons when mentioning Grimal instead of calling her Grimaline. Makes him all the more likable
She already dislikes being reminded of being british and not japanese (as seen with Marckus doing so twice, with her calling it a low blow and even physically biting him when he called her 'Grimaline Smith from UK'); she frowned when Kitten called her 'Grimaline Smith' during the roll call; and when Fatigue called her 'Grimal-kun-chama', she reacted with a smile, probably relieved that at least SOMEONE calls her a 'proper name'.
Meanwhile, Kitten only ever calls her Grimaline. Not even Grimal, like the rest of the friend group. That GOTTA sting, given how she still doesn't seem to be over him, judging by their argument. Kitten, meanwhile, has had so enough of her otaku antics that he outright refuses to engage with any of it.
One of my favorite moments that I come back to, is Kitten talking to the 2 lady’s in the washroom. Theories about the story aside it’s just so cool to see normal civilians talking with a hunter and them just being shocked how someone as kind as him hunting down the horrors of the world. The part where he says, “ I’m a hunter” just hits everything. No bravado like his family and friends just plain kind facts.
If the speculation of someone being a Werewolf turns out to be true. This is my theory on it. Not sure if anyone else had the same thought process but this is mine.
Simon (Spit) is the Werewolf. What we saw in the final scene was Fatigue’s attempt to keep everyone else in the house safe.
First thing to note. Fatigue is a Scholar of Lycanthropy Lore, as it says on his license. Given his age he is likely one of the most knowledgeable people you can find on the topic. If anyone can spot a Werewolf it would be him. It’s hard to say when but he must have picked up early that Simon’s behaviour is more than Ritalin affecting his mental state.
Naturally he moved to calm him down. If by this point he is sure that Simon is a Werewolf the best thing he can do is prevent him from getting worse. So they move to the Pub where it’s quieter and less likely to agitate him further. When it does come to the conversation in the bar. Fatigue is aware that Simon left to help find Git’s belongings. But now he is alone and wondering the house which could put everyone in danger. Before Git even finished his sentence on why he left Fatigue excuses himself to go fetch Simon.
Next looking at the map of the chapter house we can see Simon and Fatigue both marked as ‘Moved from Pub’. While it’s not specific, it’s safe to assume that Simon is still wondering and Fatigue is looking for him.
That was about everything note worthy I noticed up until the final scene.
This is how I believe events played out. Simon, Git and Fatigue all move back to the Pub likely at Fatigue’s suggestion. Tensions are running high and he is trying his best to stop a panic. Unfortunately this doesn’t work. Simon is loosing control and Fatigue knows that there isn’t much time left before he fully slips. He locks the main door to the Pub and gets Git into the back room to keep him safe. Leaving him alone with Simon. Perhaps he thought in giving his life it will be enough to sate the beast. Sparing the lives of the others in the chapter house. If nothing else. He will be contained within the Pub until the others can figure out what to do.
I like the theory…but being a werewolf expert, Fatigue _had_ to know that a wooden pub door wouldn’t hold a frenzied Garou for long. If Simon is a Garou and he did kill him, why didn’t he tear the door off its hinges and start hunting the others? Furthermore, a Garou’s first change is usually catastrophically long and painful; Simon was clearly in human form when the rest of them broke the door down. He had blood on him, yeah, but his clothes should be at least a little scuffed. Other than the blood, there isn’t a scratch on him. I’ve never played the tabletop so I don’t know if that’s just a thing with the Garou, but I should think the process of turning into a ten foot killing machine would cause someone’s shirt to tear a little.
@@TheCorrodedMan Hmm...are there multiple kinds of Lycanthrope? Do all Lycanthropes grow that much?
@@s-8488 There are, in fact. The species as a whole is known as the Faera, or “the Changing Breeds,” and they include such things as werebears, werecats, weredragons, and even werebats. The standard form of a Faera is usually no larger than a normal human or animal(when in animal form), but when they assume their Crinos Forms - also called “the War Form” - they can become massive slabs of corded muscle and rage that can easily rip apart a tank. Some of them are smaller than the rest, but it’s generally common enough for a Faera’s war form to be far larger than its human or animal forms.
@@TheCorrodedMan I see.
It looked like both doors had been locked by someone, and for the killer to have locked it after leaving the room would've taken valuable seconds.
So...assuming Simon couldn't have turned into a Were-something, where does that leave us?
@@s-8488 I think, personally, that the Ghoul isn’t even among the main cast. I think it’s playing everyone off of each other, trying to stoke suspicions to keep everyone off of its back while it looks for a way out.
This is the best thing Alfabusa and studio has ever produced and they're never going to get rewarded for it. Thanks for giving this to us and I hope there's more on the way.
To clarify - never *properly* rewarded for it. Not to the extent that the time, effort, passion, and tears that went into this truly warrants. But to those of us here to enjoy it: you've created something truly special.
As an aside, I'm mentally packaging Occam as the Malcador-equivalent here, if we're still going by 40k parallels. Really love his design and can't wait to learn more about him!
Also, (last thing I swear), special shout-out to the sound design of this series. The editing on that front has grown a lot in just the past couple years. I think people generally underestimate how much having appropriate music and effects contributes to the overall experience, not just the animation and voice. I just have a lot of respect for the whole team, especially those who might've gone underappreciated.
I was worried for a while that this series would be forever in production. But I'm happy to be proven wrong, yall clearly used every minute you had to make a ridiculously amazing works of art! The animation is so unique and lively, the voice acting is high quality, the balance of comedy, drama and horror shines though with your unique combination that expresses an incredible perspective on the World of Darkness. My only complaint? Now I have to wait for the next part! Yall should be proud of what you're making here!
Same I thought this went to production hell glad I'm wrong
I’ve been genuinely worried they had either run into another IP road block or had simply lost interest. I’m happy that they’ve continued on and I can’t wait to see the rest of the story. Also my money is either on Wilde or Giles being the ghoul.
@@forrestdorman4870 Thankfully, Alfa is pretty active on Patreon with public update posts - the production bottleneck is explained fully there
Hah, you must be new here.
Very cool that I did not find out that this came out for 2 months. TH-cam is out here doing a good job.
In any case, thank you, Alfabusa, for doing what you do.
And thank you for Elise. I swear to only have normal and healthy thoughts about her.
My theory, taken from other theories:
Grimal-kun-chama is the Ghoul. In an earlier episode, she says she likes to spy on chapter meetings via the ventilation shafts. When Occam is bieng strangled, Grimal is in the security room, a well ventilation room according to Matilda. A room that would also let her know exactly where everyone is. In the map showing everyones locations and arcanum access, she has an Elite acess level. Which she shouldn't, according to her arcanum license. She should have a student's access. Dr. Waters, who should have Full access, only has a students. Odd. Grimal is also very shocked and scared when the talk of ghoul is first brought up.
Grimal did not do the hyper murder though.
Spit is imbued. I have no idea what this is, but another comment described it in a way that makes sense given the voices in his head and his clothes still bieng in one peace. I believe this stranger.
Spit did not attack Lord Fatigue either. He is too ill, and well clothed. Also, too well established of a subject.
Matilda is either a werewolf or a kinfolk. She hates her job so much, yet is hardly shocked when supernatural things are brought up. She also has her hands covered up.
Matilda also didn't commit the hyper murder. We she was on noble Occam duty.
Amanda was electrified by the car battery lie detector. A lie detector which was show to actually detects lies. This, I think, is an important clue many are missing. Grimal was getting fried because she is actually the ghoul. But why Amanda? I think she knows Grimal is the ghoul, has even been helping her, but didn't know what a ghoul was or what was really happening until tonight (she is surprised by the word vampiric, the only one to be so). Grimal tricked Amanda into helper her spy for the vampires.
But she was in the room with everyone when Lord Fatigue was attacked.
So who did it? Simple...we lack a vital clue to the puzzle. Yup. I think their is a massive chunk of vital information missing, making it impossoble to find the right culprit. No, this isn't me bieng outsmarted. That would be absurd!
The problem with Grimal is that she could have only obtained access to the Security Room with Elise's help, since we see Elise steal the cigs that Matilda is later seen smoking. Ergo, Grimal doesn't have elite access, she has Staff Access that was given to her from Matilda via Elise.
A reminder that the symbols on the map indicate what level of Access is required to enter those rooms, not the level of access that the occupants currently have.
Futher evidence that spit is not a werewolf: in the opening scene, he gets beaten up badly by Door, Boy, and Elise. If he was a werewolf, he would likely have transformed right there (due to all the trauma).
@Birthday888, thank you for the correction. My bad. However, my overall theory still stands.
Maybe lycanthropy is a red herring then. The wolf is covered in blood at the end. Could it be possible for someone to use magic to reanimate it?
Something you didnt mention is that it actually shows the ventilation in the archives freezing a cave man as occam says “there is only one entrance too the archives”
My current theory is that Spit is some kind of werewolf (there's a full moon outside, even. and his condition worsens as the night goes on) and Fatigue picked up on the symptoms of Lycanthropy since he's an expert on the subject. Spit was seemingly staying chilled out because of Git's "cigarettes" (blunts) but when Elise steals them he starts losing his shit further. If Elise noticed this behavior and purposefully stole the blunts, that's highly suspicious. Maybe she wanted Spit to freak out to draw attention away from the ghoul - maybe herself, maybe someone she's allied with. If that's the case, Fatigue and Git can't be the ghoul.
Also a fun fact. Fatigue says he was going to get up and go fetch Spit, but he doesn't. He goes to the Staff Break Room and then when Remold, Git, and Brok leave to go prepare the polygraph, they manage to find him (presumably in the music room) and they walk in front of the kitchen doorframe when Kitten is talking to Amanda and Matilda. (Which means they set up the polygraph in the Sitting Room, where they leap out of when D discusses Dodos.) What was Fatigue doing in a place where Spit was most definitely not going to be?
Also, Matilda winds up with Git's rolls. I don't know why Elise handed them off to her (or if she left them laying around for her to find), but she had to have done that during the "two football games" interim and presumably while Kitten couldn't see it because he's surprised to see her later.
If you pay attention to the sequence of events, its apparent that Elise stole Gile's keys and then opened the sec room for Grimal to go hang out in. It was supposedly the most well-ventilated room in the building, so maybe she gave Grimal a blunt to smoke? Or perhaps she put Grimal in there to keep her safe from werewolf business (if she was trying to make Spit's condition worse on purpose). We also don't really know what's in the security room, but if Grimal and Elise were working together there may be information in that room that helps them coordinate. Grimal and Elise are also both on the list of potential suspects who didn't carry the Tessalation downstairs either. I think Elise is likely the ghoul, however, I don't think she's an enemy. If she wanted to kill Occam, she could have. I think instead what she wants to do is to use Spit as a scapegoat, and fatigue's death was uncalculated on her part.
Its also possible that Gloria Waters is a ghoul based on how quickly she shows up to diagnose Occam, but the only thing we have to blame her for is just knowing where she is for most of the episode. Elise is actively doing weird things.
I personally can't find any explanation for all of Elise's actions if she's strictly on the side of the humans - unless she's just an agent of chaos. However, she does tell everyone that it's a bad idea to split up... but is that performative? Everyone had already split up anyways at that point, too. D also picked her out to interrogate first, and I think we're seeing a recuring theme of D being completely vindicated in his reasoning as of late. I think D knows something is up.
The only thing I cannot come up with any explanation for, is why are there 16 chalices when Occam is knocked unconscious, instead of 15? Did someone insert a new chalice? Is there a secret 16th person in the archive? Also, as a comment I saw just pointed out, why does Occam lose his necklace temporarily while he's choked out? Did it get stolen and he found a replacement? Is the necklace a necessary part of his powers? Did someone temporarily hide it so that they could ensure he couldn't complete the ritual before they had a chance to destroy the scene?
Maybe elise gave the well ventilated security room keys to grimal so grimal could smell the smoke from the stolen cigs that elise gave to matilda so they could track Matilda throughout the building from one room
Could be that Elise gave Grimal the cigars and keys to the security room to chill after going to talk to her. However, we see that Matilda had just come from the security room that Grimal was in (the map says where characters had come from or going to), and Matilda was the one who says kitten isn’t allowed in there. It could be that Matilda met Grimal coping there and took the cigars from Grimal, and went to keep kitten from going in as to not run into his ex. Could be that those people are completely innocent (I guess besides Matilda maybe).
Theory time: Spit is obviously not the ghoul. What I think he is, is an Imbued. Think about it, he talks about voices and the things they are saying to him. He seemingly gets information from nowhere and answers from the air. Such as when he asks them if they think they are better than him and then he exlaims that they are, as though something answered him. Or when he says he thinks he knows where giles stuff could be, that could also point to him getting information off of angel radio, as imbued tend to do. I think he might be a newly awakended imbued of the hermit creed.
"Hermits are one of the "lost" Hunter creeds who follow the virtue of Vision. While other hunters may only hear the voices of the Messengers when they are first imbued, Hermits hear them constantly, causing an ever-present sensory 'static' in their minds - and find it gets worse in the presence of monsters or other hunters. Consequently, they earn their name by hiding from the world, seeking to quiet the voices in their heads. They find, however, that they are unable to ignore what they learn from the Messengers, and attempt to act on that information as best they can, communicating what they learn to other hunters."
Him also running out of Adderall also ties into this, possibly something as simple as ADHD medication is enough to dull the effects in people's day-to-day
So ADHD is actually just angels talking to me? WELL SHUT THE HELL UP YOU FEATHERY FUCKS
Glorious. Though damn that painting behind Kitten was suspicious as hell. Also, I think Blacklaw Senior needs glasses.
I only realised that at 9:00 you can hear Remold call D a "bachibouzouk" which is one of the favorite insult used by Captain Haddock in the original french version of Tintin
which sounds like "başı bozuk" which means not right in the head in Turkish.
He’s not wrong
Wait wait wait wait...
*WHERE ARE THE MARKS AROUND HIS NECK?!*
When Occam went down, his collar was bloodied, and his neck had fresh, red bruises from where he was choked out. In addition, that celtic knot pendant was MISSING from his neck.
When he showed up at the end, the irishman's collar is CLEAN, and there are NO MARKS on his neck. And the pendant is BACK.
So either Occam has some magic healing powers and an *exact copy of the same clothes he wore when he was attacked* ... or that isn't the same man that was found unconscious in the ritual chamber.
oh shit, good catch!
Could be just an art thing, could be someone who does have magic healing powers or a magic healing item thing, and if Occam used to be with D then I’d be surprised if he *didn’t* have a bunch of identical outfits tbh.
I mentioned it in another comment chain, but there are also claw marks and a loose tile on the ceiling in Occams Office at around 01:15
Add to that his name and the fact that "Occam's Razor" states that the easiest/simplest answer is usually the correct one... I *really* doubt Alfabusa gave him that name without a damn good reason. I really do believe that Occam plays a role in all of this, much more than people expect him to
or it could have been a ploy on his part fake his attack to help stir up chaos
Not to spoil your thunder mate. Alfabusa declared that one as just an editing fuckup on discord.
Love how traffic law is just as much a threat as a Ghoul or infiltrator to the Chapterhouse.
That's World of Darkness for you. My mage character spent a substantial part of the campaign in in trying not to get their business foreclosed on.
makes sense if you think about it, you cant have anyone coming in to have a closer look, something as small as traffic law could get unwanted attention, and i very much doubt those m60s are in any way legal