There is nothing wrong defending China. China has done way better in EV adoption and green tech than the USA while the USA is trying to sabotage China's progress in saving global environment.
Clarifying facts at the time might be useful but this video is one year older than the original serpentza video. Do you think 'facts' might have changed one year later?
Repeating Chinese government talking points from government backed propaganda is not "clarification of facts." What part of "genocidal despotisms are not a reliable information source" is too difficult for you to understand? I'm guessing you believe Putin is "denazifying" Ukraine as well? I'm guessing you think the Uighur genocide in western China is a hoax as well?
There is a little bit more to the EV graveyard and the defunct rideshare companies. . These abandoned cars are not lithium batteries or have tiny lithium batteries. What happened is that China initially implemented a subsidy for rideshare companies to deploy electric vehicles but in an oversight they did not specify how or to what the degree the vehicle had to be electrified to qualify for the subsidy. So these now defunct rideshare companies ordered thousands of vehicles with lead acid batteries or tiny lithium batteries that were never intended to be used as practical EVs but technically qualified for the subsidies. When China updated its policies that the EV had to have practical useable lithium batteries these first generation of “EV” were abandoned.
Thanks! I posted similar content of the CCP program, AND YOUR IS A LOT BETTER! Basically, these guys scammed-hell out of the CCP, which may be a good thing! 👊
Serpentza has lived in China for a long time. He used to do videos of him and a mate riding motorbikes around China. He is definitely anti-china now. I don't think he knows much about EVs.
Cobalt is a key component used by the petrol industry during the petroleum refining process to remove sulfur. Cobalt mining started long before EVs existed.
I just spent 3 weeks in China. Fun fact: in Shanghai it costs $10K to register a new gas powered car and get a license plate (in a limited lottery). Cost to register an EV? ZERO.
@@tbl268 no communism sucks but at least the policy makers in China have recognized that the horrendous pollution previously choking their cities could be reduced by the carrot and stick approach to reduce vehicle emissions and coal power plant emissions. It was costing the country tens, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars in health care expenses, lost productivity etc. I don’t much care for the Xi regime or the CCP but in this case they’ve done something right for their citizens. A broken clock is right twice a day kinda thing…
About cobalt, I worked for 35 years with a defense company before retired 4 years ago. Most of the materials we used for the products were cobalt alloys of AMS specs due to their unique properties. Was human atrocity in our conscience then? Not a bit then not now. But if China uses it on batteries, no no no, it's human atrocity. Being the defender of freedom and democracy doesn't mean we can indulge ourselves to double standards.
Yup, it's plain hypocrisy. This kind of people also complain about China polluting too much, but they buy products made in China because they're cheaper. Maybe they're just dumb enough to not see the connection.
@@OveToranger Lot's of sources but a cnevpost article dated Oct. 12 2024 breaks down all manner of statistics. Cobalt is clearly on the way out in China.
These days I’m at the point of automatically assuming that the poor person is correct when I see arguments that would benefit hundred billion dollar corporations vs arguments that are bad for said corporation
You've won me back as a fan Ben. Honestly, I liked your early (primary Tesla) videos, but after that phase, I really came to dislike much of your content. This new phase of EV myth busting is fantastic. It's informative, you generally put in some research on each video, and it does a great service to the EV movement. I can't imagine it is as financially rewarding as some of the other content you created in the past, and especially if that is the case, thank you for putting merit over money.
It is…. I live down the street from the Paris Texas EV graveyard. I go there on weekends to barbecue hot dogs over the burning lithium battery fires 😉😂
@@rebodyking7584 The problem isn't people being deceived, it' people WANTING something to be true, so when they hear something that seems weird, or sketchy, they ignore that, because it is what they want to hear. For some strange reason lots of people seem to think that pollution is a good thing.
The guy Serpentza hates China and assumes everything is false propaganda from them, he just didn't check this reference. He already had an exchange with the Electric Viking over this claim.
US government spends $500 million on anti-China propaganda, so called "combat Chinese misinformation". I wouldn't be surprised if some of this money finds its way into guys like Serpentza.
I’ve watched a few of his videos, he definitely has a hate on for China. I’ve seen a few other comments about how he wildly exaggerates or outright lies about other things, so I don’t take him as a credible source of information. He might be right about some things, but others he doesn’t have accurate information about so everything he claims should be regarded with skepticism.
He wasn't hating it when he was living there and exploiting women. He was regularly posting pro China videos. But he had to leave thus he switched his stance to full on hate.
@@sjsomething4936 yep he's not a great fact checker. Now he is out of China, he seem easy to manipulate by those in China, he is out of date, but as you say he understands the CCP mentality and can guess right some of the time.
Good work Ben. I came to pretty much the same conclusions with just a few minutes of research, but you have gone into much more detail, and took the time to document your findings. Amazing how many people base their opinions on lies and deceptions. Sad.
There were similar photos when the EV car share scheme in Paris came to the end of the contract. Lots of C-zeros and Ions that had been totally hammered by 8 years of Paris traffic were photographed in a field with stories about them being let to rot and the chemicals leaking out of the batteries. The reality was all the batteries had been removed and sent for testing, they even made up good battery packs from those that were below par (only 1 or 2 cells were faulty). Later, the batteries were refitted, and as many cars as possible made fit for resale, I believe 94% were sold and the remainder scrapped.
Also Gasoline is refined with Cobalt, but nobody complains about that. Pro gas people would say that most of the Cobalt is reused, but hey, you can reuse the Cobalt in an old battery too!
There is a vast difference between the various forms of cobalt used in industry Some is easily recyclable while others are not. None of them are economic because the price of raw materials is way too low so the bulk ends up in land fill unless there is a government subsidy . And this applies to all recycling , not just EV batteries . The only part of a ICE vehicle that is ( was) profitable to recycle were the lead-acid batteries where every part , except the acid electrolyte goes back into making new batteries . The coming crunch point with EV production will be copper because to replace every ICE domestic vehicle in the USA alone will require more copper that is currently known to exist in the earths crust. Copper mining & refining is far more environmentally damaging than cobalt as whole river systems have become toxic from things like slurry dams failing . Every step in the process creates highly toxic wastes and copper metal itself is toxic ( which is why it is used in IUDs ) . As a person with an engineering science background I love the concept of EVs . Electric motors are so much more energy efficient it is crazy and there is a place for EVs, particularly in congested cities with chronic air quality problems but as a saviour of the planet they are a retrograde step . What the planet needs is to return the DURABILITY of consumer durables so all vehicles must have a 20 year life span and the same for things like fridges & washing machines , lawn mowers etc, etc, etc . We also must stop wasting resources like aluminium in uses like beverage cans if we stand any chance to make it to the end of this century let alone millenium . Unfortunately greed wins out every time and things like the mass extinction on the insects will end up causing mass starvation . The entire planets bee pollinated crops were only saved because Australia & New Zealand are surrounded by vast amounts of water so the veroa mite did not arrive there till last year thus they could export around 5,000,000,000 queen bees to revive & restore the bee population through out all of the Americas & Europe . Just about every industrial process consumes vast amounts of oxygen but only plants can convert CO2 back to oxygen and nothing can convert SO2, SO3 & SO4 . We are asphyxiating all oxygen requiring life forms on the planet and that includes humans . Right now it is insects & birds most of which we have no idea about their importance in the food chain and we will not know it till things start to vanish like say all fruits that are insect pollinated because the oxygen concentration in the atmosphere is too low to allow insects to breathe ( well diffuse oxygen to be truthful as they do not have lungs )
@@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it There's an entire global landline communications system that's about to become redundant. Plenty of copper there for quite a while.
Seeing the rust and grass in/around the cars and license plate, etc.looks like, long time ago, subsidiary fraud. State gives you 7.000$ for each produced, ready for street EV car, XYZ company produce the same car for for 6.500$. And they makes 100.000 of it... *500$ difference makes alota 💲
It's nice to know that these lies are easy to disprove. Unfortunately a lot of people dont want to make their own research and will believe these lies.
Neta is still in business, they just opened up a new plant in Thailand. They make the Neta Vii which would compare to a Honda Fit or Suzuki Swift and sells in Thailand for just under $13,000 to just under $14,000 US. They also build a Neta X, which would compare to a Honda HRV and sells for just over $22,000 and $24,000 US.
The manufacturer of these cars, BAIC Group, now produces the new and compelling model SU7 featured by Xiaomi (Chinese competitor of Apple). Noteworthy, as it was announced today that Apple is quitting their effort with the leading Chinese EV manufacturer BYD.
Inside China Auto is a good channel for reviews of new EVs being made in China. And his video examining the cars on this lot is excellent. I recommend it. Thanks for amplifying the debunk and calling out the FUD.
But what is a "Automobile Environmental Testing Center"? Is it maybe a technical inpection center ... like MOT or TÜV? Mybe this can be done by certified workshops in China? Then there is no reason why it couldn't also be a dealership.
The manufacturer gets the CCP grant of $10k USD the moment the car is sold. The cars shipped to dealers are sold to dealers who registered the cars, thus getting the grant. This is why many cars are stuck in the ports in Europe. Ones exported get the grand without being sold, just export license registered....
The reason those cars are parked is because they were crappy cars in 2017. Compared to today’s BEV’s they are almost useless. Hope they are recycled soon.
Recycling is a scam. It is cheaper to mine new minerals than to break a product down into its many individual parts and process it again. Taking them apart and melting them down etc. costs too much money and time. It is cheaper to build new cars than to recycle the old ones. That is why these cars are there. Nobody wants to pay the costs of recycling them, so they are left there to rot. So the reports are real and in China there are fields of electric cars that are left there to rot.
Neta is still around and they make quite good cars. They are coming to Singapore. Also those old cars could be given away to places where they can actually use then - like in Africa or India
Unfortunately, it is not gone, but changes to carbon compounds such as carbon dioxide, which pollutes the atmosphere and is said to cause climate change.
@@John-v1b8f 20% (30% worldwide) and growing is renewable like wind, solar, hydro, geothermal etc., but even if electricity was 100% fossil, EVs would still be more efficient than ICE.
So if you leave electric cars parked in squares in the hope that they will be recycled at some point, isn't that the same as letting cars rot in fields???
I would like to point out that the day they decide to recycle those cars they will be recycled immediately. Those cars are still there because someone is guarding them and making sure they are not taken away by the recyclers. If those cars were "abandoned" metal recyclers would have taken them already. They wouldn't last a month in a field without someone guarding them.
I have commented on serpentza's channel before about his hate and bs against China and what does he do? Deletes my comments 😂 I did some research about "graveyard" myself and he clearly didn't like what I find out about it 😅
This one was just like the meme showing an open pit "lithium mine", it was actually the Escondida Copper mine, then showing a drilling rig with a caption saying "Which is more damaging to the environment? Alberta Proud!" In Alberta they strip mine to produce oil. Just look at a satellite image of Ft McMurray Alberta.
I also like the ones where they light tap water from a faucet on fire because it has so many chemicals in it from fracking. Fun fact, oil companies are exempt from having to reveal all of the chemicals they're using for fracking, because "trade secret" or something.
Even if those were new EVs, it still doesn't mean a thing. A bunch of years back, I had a job trashing beautiful new italian cars by the thousands. They had been parked at free port for two years waiting for buyers, and nobody wanted them any more. Some rust issue on one model had gotten so much publicity, the whole brand suffered. It's sad, but it happens.
I'm tired of cobalt being painted as a "bad" material in the general sense. It comes from multiple locations on this planet. The DRC is of course the largest and the one that garnered all of the opprobrium due to the child labor in the family run tiny mines using hand labor. Some of that likely still exists, but the large scale production comes from mining companies that have created point of origin tracking for all that they sell. Large scale purchasers of the product such Tesla, LG, Panasonic, Samsung et al are only interested in demonstrable, proof of origin suppliers. The largest consumption of cobalt is by the fuel refinement industry, and there will likely be a price collapse in cobalt as total refined fossil fuels inevitably go down. Nothing wrong with high energy density batteries. They will continue to have their application.
You are spot on with the cobalt issue. For the most part child labor has been eliminated and inspectors oversee and verify the source. Yet the taking point never dies.
100% - It is truly beyond me how people can believe that a world’s supply of Cobalt is mined using child labor. And then also ignoring the fact that cobalt is being heavily used in so many other industries before EV came to life.
Sometimes, I have some thought in the middle of a supermarket : everything around me is garbage. Sometimes, I'm in front of a pile of garbage, and I see a lot of products there.
Actually Cobalt is also used in refining gasoline and other petroleum products, which as far as I know does not get recycled at all (it is burned and it is gone forever). Batteries do get recycled.
It's used as a catalyst so not burnt. However it does indeed get used up, by erosion and is not recoverable. I believe the petrochemical industry is the largest user of cobalt (someone will correct me if I'm wrong LOL).
A little clarification. Cobalt isn't gone forever, its like the other 100 (+ -) basic elements found the periodic table. All those elements won't be transformed by industrial processes. All of those elements can be transformed, but it takes huge amounts of energy to do it, best example is a nuclear explosion. As for the cobalt its still there, its just changed in the oil refining process from (maybe, I cant recall correctly) an oxide compound to a sulfate compound.
Luxury Swiss watch makers dumped thousands of high end automatic watches into the ocean where divers have recently found them and brought them to the surface, in what was an attempt to create artificial scarcity during the quartz crisis in the 1980's. So its no wonder than many failing Chinese business would have to dump fleets of white vehicles like this.
You can simply distinguish chinese EVs from ICE cars: EV = green license plate, ICE = blue license plate. Lots of pictures shown by Serpentza are cars with blue license plate. 0:35 and 0:53 left bottom; 4:30 and 11:29 right bottom Often, the perspective is chosen so you can't see the license plates.
This is very old news. First generation EVs from several years ago that do not reflect current EVs that are for sale now. EV sales around the world are increasing and with the new battery tech that is coming will only grow faster.
Serpentza is an interesting guy but I havent been as interested in his content recently. His core viewers seem to be critical of China so he keeps making that. He lived in China for a while and made some cool vids on life there and motorcycled around a lot. He tried to pivot to a car channel but that didnt seem to work out.
I used to watch him a few years back when he walked/rode around China speaking Mandarin to the locals, exposing scams and such. Then he claimed the CCP was after him and he 'escaped' with his Chinese wife. It all seemed a bit sensational like Jerry Springer so I stopped watching his contents.
One fact to debunk chinese government articially inflates EV sales figure myth is by understanding how people buy car in China. When you buy a car in China, the registration is purely owners responsibility. The dealership had nothing to do with it, they just sold you a car and its not their problem whether you can register and drive it legally on road. Hence why you will see some brand new car without plates driving around in China because the owner just picked it up from dealership and on the way home or local road registry. So that car would not counted as sales until it's officially registered.
As I heard from some sources, cars in dealership are considered already sold, so the dealer is the first buyer. That goes as well to all exported cars, as cars leave China, they are "sold.
@@OveToranger dealerships won't be able to manipulate sales data (by registering unsold cars) and count as sales for the official. Standard dealership practice during the bad month to inflate sales figures in other countries i.e. australia.
This video is also taken out of context. The main point was the startup of company that really had no real business, but was used as tools for money grabbing. After getting as much money as they could, the companies was bankrupted and the pieces are just left.
They have cities full of apartments in China that are just built to a very low standard with no plumbing or electricity and stand empty, they are just to provide employment, it's all a sham to keep the populace happy and employed. Though I doubt you would do a video on that.
So, If they produce buildings just to produce buildings and make the system sustain a little more, is it unthinkable that it is the same with EVs ? I think China wants to overproduce any any competition (dumping) on one hand. On the other, if their cars are electric, and their electricity is produced in a big part from coal, which they have, they'll need to import less oil from the Middle east. It is not cleaner (it's worse), but it's not their goal, it's to be less vulnerable to a blockade.
China built Tesla's only use LFP for their Model 3 Highland RWD and Model Y RWD! their specifications still mention it. You might be referring to USA built Teslas.
I've seen similar piles of e-scooters and e-bikes in China. These have happened because China insentivised ride share schemes beyond market sustainability. There was a gold rush to cash in, followed by the inevitable company failures. This is part of the mess of progress and with luck they will be correctly scrapped before long. After all there is a high value in materials in them, even if no-one wants them as cars any more.
We mine metals and precious metals for gas cars. Some of these same minerals in EVs are in gas cars given how much tech is involved in gas car. And because many don't know this I need to point out that we use cobalt for more things than just EV batteries. But interestingly enough, it's used as a catalyst in oil refining. You know...the very oil we use for gas cars and a host of other things we use petroleum for. So it would seem we're ALL guilty of playing our part in reaping the benefits of this labor from African countris.
This type of imagery showing different locations, similar objects ( sometimes firearms, boats, train wrecks, airplanes, etc.) different times ( sometimes off by years), is a technique used by "news media" all over the world, usually listed as "file footage" to augment a story. Some is blatantly obvious, others are more "professionally" produced. Once in the public space, they are photo shopped at will, and apparently no one cares, because they are not copyrighted. ( No one wants to claim ownership of a false narrative). Unfortunately, it costs a lot more to debunk a lie, than to produce it in the first place. Good job, and sorely needed.
Small correction: LFP is not new, is it wasnt when I studied automotive batteries 15y ago. However, at that time the weight was considered too high fot electric cars. Incremental improvements now got so far that this cheapest and very robust batt chemistry is becoming the standard for moderate range vehicles, like my model 3 RWD, and heavy duty vehicles like trucks that do full cycles daily. Anyways, good work busting bs.
In the UK I have often seen pictures of fields of MG4s with the caption that nobody wants to buy them so they are being left to rot. Until you count up the cars in the picture and realise the entire field accounts for around 1 week of UK sales.
What nobody talks about is the vast amount of cobalt that the petroleum industry uses in the production of fuel. It is used to remove sulphur. Approximately 70% is recycled, whereas recycled batteries over 90% is recovered.
Cobalt is not a conflict resource - conflicts are caused by people through oppression, corruption and exploitation - if cobalt production ceases, the next source of income must be sought, which may be even worse for the poorest people in these countries - the cause must be fought, not the result!
Why, why oh why do people make these obviously false lies and put their face and name to it??????????????? Thanks for exposing this one Ben. Also, the enormous amount of mining done to get hydrocarbons out of the ground, plus the infrastructure to mine it, process it, transport it etc. is mindbogglingly massive, compared to what we need for batteries.
When my wife bought a BAIC EC3 back in 2020 the sales guy boasted how the BAIC company is also manufacturing Mercedes Benz cars for China and that the battery modules are the same as in the EC5 cars which were the most common EV taxis at the time. He was right, the car is solid. Those rental cars had the smaller battery, ours has the 32kWh battery that gives about 300km range.
Why would Serpenza lie? Because he has no moral and lying gets him more $$$. That grifters used to be an English teacher but was kicked out of China because he didn't have the proper education or license. Since then he's been very bitter about everything China. I just feel bad about his Chinese girlfriend, although it's a big question if she's still with him.
The electric Viking argued that all cars shown on your first picture were ICE cars. When I remarked that several of them had the letters "ev" painted on them he said that this did not made him change his opinion. He had some superior knowledge.
If I may, it looks as if you've been a bit mislead, I do appreciate criticism and I am very much interested in uncovering the truth which is why I tackle these topics that are heavily censored in China. I do so as I have a vested interest in China having lived there for 14 years and being married into a Chinese family. A few corrections if I may. I did not say that the BYDs with the plastic on the seats were part of that initial graveyard with the Neta Vs, I directly translated the Chinese man who initially took that clip of the first graveyard who said in Chinese (which I speak, read and write) that there were over 10k Neta Vs abandoned there. I did not pretend that two different clips were from the same place (you did that). I clearly stated that the BYDs like the Neta Vs (both different clips) were plated and registered, the other footage comes from different graveyards from all over China, it is not a single graveyard, and many are a result of the crazy first gen rush into shared cars, cheap EV conversions of existing gas cars (I drove one and owned one in China). Please watch my video again and take note of what I'm saying. You are misrepresenting what I'm saying here and heavily glossing over the fact that these graveyards do exist and subsidy fraud does exist and has been proven in the Chinese EV market. The "on the ground" clip you showed is from a Chinese based EV promotional channel which is heavily biased and has a vested interest in doing damage control. I am not familiar with your channel but it seems that you have a vested interest in the promotion of EVs and I could understand why you would like to push back against the notion that the Chinese EV boom has been built on a lot of fraud, trickery and environmental destruction. I unfortunately have seen it with my own eyes. I hope that you don't simply dismiss any criticism of the Chinese EV industry because you don't like the way I look. - SerpentZA (Zed A)
I appreciate you taking the time to respond here, and welcome the discussion. As I stated in the beginning of the video my intent here was not to dismiss criticism of China and their reporting of facts but to debunk this notion that the Chinese EV market is somehow a complete facade and thus, EVs are a pure scam. Whether or not you intended this, your video is being used by people trying to hurt the EV industry by taking it and exaggerating it's claims all over the internet. This is why it popped up on my radar. My interest in promoting EVs has more to do with my belief in their benefits to the consumer than anything else. I'm a tech guy at heart, not an environmentalist nor car guy. So for me, as a data scientist, what I like to do is seek out the most credible data possible and use that as a base for discussions. If you have data on the "fraud, trickery and environmental destruction" you claim, I'd love to see it because from what I could find there isn't much out there currently. Sorry for the confusion about the name also. As an American our education system doesn't do a good job of creating a worldly perspective or understanding. Perhaps a video chat sometime could help clear things up. My email is in the about section if you want to reach out.
@@BenSullinsOfficial No problem, if you google Chinese EV subsidy fraud, you'll find a host of articles from reputable news sources such as Reuters, there were massive reforms in 2017 due to the rampant fraud. You can look at the KANDI fiasco as a solid example of how Chinese EV companies gamed the system and produced massive amounts of waste and cars that were never used and never will be used. I'm more than happy to share the sources I have for all of my observations and I'm not inherently against EVs, I am a big proponent of technology, it's the wasteful and destructive manner upon which the Chinese EV industry was built (and still runs on in certain ways) that needs more scrutiny and exposure.
My biggest issue is when people point out a "problem" with a new disruptive industry /invention and somehow forget the same problem exists with the old industry Car graveyards are around for gas cars too and even for airplanes
The man in question is Serpent-Zed-Ah. Explanation is he is originally from South Africa, and his father made money from snakes. He has his moments, but was actually chucked out of China though excess criticism. Not that he was falsely criticizing China, just he was doing too good a job. So he probably has an axe to grind with China. Anti EV is just popular now, so click bait.
He makes a living smearing China based on many lies. I have seen so many of his videos using unrelated clips. He knows what he is doing. He has been working with a certain exiled cult too. Both get their funds from you-know-who
I found another channel spreading some EV fud, it's called Chase Car. Check out the videos and read all the anti-EV comments, strange world we live in.
When I take my Tesla out for a drive, I always think: why are all these people satisfied driving dinosaur vehicles. I think: if they educated themselves they would switch to an electric. Ben's videos underscore how difficult it is for people to become informed consumers in a world inundated with missinformation. Happy driving my comfortable, quiet, fast, efficient, and so far trouble free 2023 Tesla model 3 performance in central Texas 🙂
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Clarification of facts is not defending China. Misinformation is so out of control. Thanks for creating these types of videos.
US is pushing a lot of China disinformation and hate.
There is nothing wrong defending China. China has done way better in EV adoption and green tech than the USA while the USA is trying to sabotage China's progress in saving global environment.
Clarifying facts at the time might be useful but this video is one year older than the original serpentza video. Do you think 'facts' might have changed one year later?
@@pauls3075the video was spreading misinformation from the day it was posted. You are just trying to muddy the waters.
Repeating Chinese government talking points from government backed propaganda is not "clarification of facts." What part of "genocidal despotisms are not a reliable information source" is too difficult for you to understand? I'm guessing you believe Putin is "denazifying" Ukraine as well? I'm guessing you think the Uighur genocide in western China is a hoax as well?
There is a little bit more to the EV graveyard and the defunct rideshare companies. . These abandoned cars are not lithium batteries or have tiny lithium batteries. What happened is that China initially implemented a subsidy for rideshare companies to deploy electric vehicles but in an oversight they did not specify how or to what the degree the vehicle had to be electrified to qualify for the subsidy. So these now defunct rideshare companies ordered thousands of vehicles with lead acid batteries or tiny lithium batteries that were never intended to be used as practical EVs but technically qualified for the subsidies. When China updated its policies that the EV had to have practical useable lithium batteries these first generation of “EV” were abandoned.
Thanks! I posted similar content of the CCP program, AND YOUR IS A LOT BETTER! Basically, these guys scammed-hell out of the CCP, which may be a good thing! 👊
@@Jeddin Thk . you answer the problem that people confuse for a long time.
serpentza was pointing out china's patern of wasteful subsidies and pandering to western investors with window dressing and cheap facades
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 best you check this years sales in China of evs, that is what really matters.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 who buys them? Those ride share companies and government subsidy already gone long time ago.
Serpentza has lived in China for a long time. He used to do videos of him and a mate riding motorbikes around China. He is definitely anti-china now. I don't think he knows much about EVs.
if u would know more about them they have a second channel talking about cars and repairing them
Yes yes, anything criticizing EV's must be wrong. Welcome to the EV cult. SerpenntZA lived in China for a long time, how about you douchebag?
@@HansCSchellenberg Citicising without even owning one carries no weight.
agreed. He is not someone who spreads FUD.
@@typhoon320i no, he is just an uninformed buffoon
Cobalt is a key component used by the petrol industry during the petroleum refining process to remove sulfur. Cobalt mining started long before EVs existed.
Yet no one seems to bring up this little factoid.
@@danam2584 And LFP batteries are Cobalt free. Because people just want to see what conforts their beliefs.
Interesting…
...and many manufacturers have statements on ethical sourcing of minerals.
From what I was able to find, batteries consume about 50% of the cobalt, and petroleum less than 1%.
I just spent 3 weeks in China.
Fun fact: in Shanghai it costs $10K to register a new gas powered car and get a license plate (in a limited lottery). Cost to register an EV? ZERO.
Communism is cool!
@@tbl268 no communism sucks but at least the policy makers in China have recognized that the horrendous pollution previously choking their cities could be reduced by the carrot and stick approach to reduce vehicle emissions and coal power plant emissions. It was costing the country tens, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars in health care expenses, lost productivity etc. I don’t much care for the Xi regime or the CCP but in this case they’ve done something right for their citizens. A broken clock is right twice a day kinda thing…
Just because China is communist doesn’t mean everything they do is bad. Hitler drank water
@@tbl268 Right, if you say otherwise in Beijing you "disappear".
That's why EVs are selling so well.
About cobalt, I worked for 35 years with a defense company before retired 4 years ago. Most of the materials we used for the products were cobalt alloys of AMS specs due to their unique properties. Was human atrocity in our conscience then? Not a bit then not now. But if China uses it on batteries, no no no, it's human atrocity. Being the defender of freedom and democracy doesn't mean we can indulge ourselves to double standards.
Yup, it's plain hypocrisy. This kind of people also complain about China polluting too much, but they buy products made in China because they're cheaper. Maybe they're just dumb enough to not see the connection.
furthermore China mostly use LFP battery which does not contain cobalt.
@@lagrangewei Sources ?
@@OveToranger Lot's of sources but a cnevpost article dated Oct. 12 2024 breaks down all manner of statistics. Cobalt is clearly on the way out in China.
This isn’t just misinformation, it’s manipulation. These are people actively trying to sow doubt in BEV’s. Just sad and pathetic.
He doesn't give a shit about EVs, he's trying to take down the CCP.
Monied interests gonna be monied interests
These days I’m at the point of automatically assuming that the poor person is correct when I see arguments that would benefit hundred billion dollar corporations vs arguments that are bad for said corporation
It’s so extremely consistent that I now know the large corporation is being dishonest
People said same thing about ghost city in china and now they are full of people lol
I friggin love these videoes. Mr. Sullins fighting FUD with facts and data is just beautiful.
FUD fighting with FaD! noice
You've won me back as a fan Ben. Honestly, I liked your early (primary Tesla) videos, but after that phase, I really came to dislike much of your content.
This new phase of EV myth busting is fantastic. It's informative, you generally put in some research on each video, and it does a great service to the EV movement.
I can't imagine it is as financially rewarding as some of the other content you created in the past, and especially if that is the case, thank you for putting merit over money.
Welcome back! Glad to have you
I actually totally have the same feeling about his Chanel been watching more lately
Ditto. Subscribing. 👍🏼
I too am the prodigal son. This contect is great.
I read "cars in Paris", then I see the mountains in the back ... there is like a problem.
That doesn't stop people from believing those lies, there are lots of people that don't even know where the beautiful city of Paris is.
@@cmdrstevemcmaru7417it’s in Texas right?
It is…. I live down the street from the Paris Texas EV graveyard. I go there on weekends to barbecue hot dogs over the burning lithium battery fires 😉😂
You haven't lived until you've had a hot coffee in one of the many ski-in cafes at the base of the Eiffel Tower.
I'm reminded of the Australian movie "The car that ate Paris"
Thanks for clearing this up Ben! I had seen this and wondered.
People will believe what they WANT to believe which is why misinformation is so effective.
Unfortunately why trying to change minds with facts rarely works =(
Correct, both of you! It’s actually very disturbing how easily deceived people are….
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The problem isn't people being deceived, it' people WANTING something to be true, so when they hear something that seems weird, or sketchy, they ignore that,
because it is what they want to hear.
For some strange reason lots of people seem to think that pollution is a good thing.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 It still owned by some company and they refuse to have them recycled.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Whos going to pay recycling cost? Same with bike.
The guy Serpentza hates China and assumes everything is false propaganda from them, he just didn't check this reference. He already had an exchange with the Electric Viking over this claim.
US government spends $500 million on anti-China propaganda, so called "combat Chinese misinformation". I wouldn't be surprised if some of this money finds its way into guys like Serpentza.
I’ve watched a few of his videos, he definitely has a hate on for China. I’ve seen a few other comments about how he wildly exaggerates or outright lies about other things, so I don’t take him as a credible source of information. He might be right about some things, but others he doesn’t have accurate information about so everything he claims should be regarded with skepticism.
He wasn't hating it when he was living there and exploiting women. He was regularly posting pro China videos. But he had to leave thus he switched his stance to full on hate.
@@sjsomething4936 yep he's not a great fact checker. Now he is out of China, he seem easy to manipulate by those in China, he is out of date, but as you say he understands the CCP mentality and can guess right some of the time.
@@tonystanley5337 yes, I do think he gets some stuff correct, unfortunately sometimes it is hard to tell what is true and what he’s gotten wrong
Maybe we should talk to the people of the niger delta in Nigeria about human rights abuses from the extraction of oil.
Good work Ben. I came to pretty much the same conclusions with just a few minutes of research, but you have gone into much more detail, and took the time to document your findings. Amazing how many people base their opinions on lies and deceptions. Sad.
"everybody knows" a very popular phrase in disinformation
The BEV business is switching away from Cobalt mostly because of cost not environmental or social issues, and that is a good thing.
There were similar photos when the EV car share scheme in Paris came to the end of the contract. Lots of C-zeros and Ions that had been totally hammered by 8 years of Paris traffic were photographed in a field with stories about them being let to rot and the chemicals leaking out of the batteries.
The reality was all the batteries had been removed and sent for testing, they even made up good battery packs from those that were below par (only 1 or 2 cells were faulty). Later, the batteries were refitted, and as many cars as possible made fit for resale, I believe 94% were sold and the remainder scrapped.
Also Gasoline is refined with Cobalt, but nobody complains about that. Pro gas people would say that most of the Cobalt is reused, but hey, you can reuse the Cobalt in an old battery too!
There is a vast difference between the various forms of cobalt used in industry
Some is easily recyclable while others are not.
None of them are economic because the price of raw materials is way too low so the bulk ends up in land fill unless there is a government subsidy .
And this applies to all recycling , not just EV batteries .
The only part of a ICE vehicle that is ( was) profitable to recycle were the lead-acid batteries where every part , except the acid electrolyte goes back into making new batteries .
The coming crunch point with EV production will be copper because to replace every ICE domestic vehicle in the USA alone will require more copper that is currently known to exist in the earths crust.
Copper mining & refining is far more environmentally damaging than cobalt as whole river systems have become toxic from things like slurry dams failing .
Every step in the process creates highly toxic wastes and copper metal itself is toxic ( which is why it is used in IUDs ) .
As a person with an engineering science background I love the concept of EVs . Electric motors are so much more energy efficient it is crazy and there is a place for EVs, particularly in congested cities with chronic air quality problems but as a saviour of the planet they are a retrograde step .
What the planet needs is to return the DURABILITY of consumer durables so all vehicles must have a 20 year life span and the same for things like fridges & washing machines , lawn mowers etc, etc, etc .
We also must stop wasting resources like aluminium in uses like beverage cans if we stand any chance to make it to the end of this century let alone millenium .
Unfortunately greed wins out every time and things like the mass extinction on the insects will end up causing mass starvation .
The entire planets bee pollinated crops were only saved because Australia & New Zealand are surrounded by vast amounts of water so the veroa mite did not arrive there till last year thus they could export around 5,000,000,000 queen bees to revive & restore the bee population through out all of the Americas & Europe .
Just about every industrial process consumes vast amounts of oxygen but only plants can convert CO2 back to oxygen and nothing can convert SO2, SO3 & SO4 .
We are asphyxiating all oxygen requiring life forms on the planet and that includes humans . Right now it is insects & birds most of which we have no idea about their importance in the food chain and we will not know it till things start to vanish like say all fruits that are insect pollinated because the oxygen concentration in the atmosphere is too low to allow insects to breathe ( well diffuse oxygen to be truthful as they do not have lungs )
China mostly use LFP battery for EV which does not contain cobalt.
@@lagrangewei Sources ?
@@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it There's an entire global landline communications system that's about to become redundant. Plenty of copper there for quite a while.
actually very helpful. i dont even own an ev but disinformation in general is worth uprooting. appreciate it!
Seeing the rust and grass in/around the cars and license plate, etc.looks like, long time ago, subsidiary fraud. State gives you 7.000$ for each produced, ready for street EV car, XYZ company produce the same car for for 6.500$. And they makes 100.000 of it... *500$ difference makes alota 💲
I am so glad, you are doing this series. Thank you so much.
It's nice to know that these lies are easy to disprove.
Unfortunately a lot of people dont want to make their own research and will believe these lies.
Do you make any research youself or do you just believe this debunk?
Thanks for exposing misinformation
Thanks for the journalism, a dying but necessary art today
Serpent = snake. ZA = Zuid Afrika = South Africa
Don’t forget… Cobalt is also used in the refining of fossil fuels, why do they never mention that?
Remember Cobalt also used in refining oil into Petrol (Gasoline) and Diesel...
Neta is still in business, they just opened up a new plant in Thailand. They make the Neta Vii which would compare to a Honda Fit or Suzuki Swift and sells in Thailand for just under $13,000 to just under $14,000 US. They also build a Neta X, which would compare to a Honda HRV and sells for just over $22,000 and $24,000 US.
The manufacturer of these cars, BAIC Group, now produces the new and compelling model SU7 featured by Xiaomi (Chinese competitor of Apple). Noteworthy, as it was announced today that Apple is quitting their effort with the leading Chinese EV manufacturer BYD.
Cobalt is used in refining crude oil as well . An it's not mined only in this location in Africa
Inside China Auto is a good channel for reviews of new EVs being made in China.
And his video examining the cars on this lot is excellent. I recommend it.
Thanks for amplifying the debunk and calling out the FUD.
7:37... I Google Lensed the banner. It's Nanjing Yonghua Automobile Environmental Testing Center. Not a dealership.
But what is a "Automobile Environmental Testing Center"? Is it maybe a technical inpection center ... like MOT or TÜV? Mybe this can be done by certified workshops in China? Then there is no reason why it couldn't also be a dealership.
A lot of cobalt in the west doesn't come from conflict mines anymore. Canada supplies much of North America and other countries with cobalt now.
The manufacturer gets the CCP grant of $10k USD the moment the car is sold. The cars shipped to dealers are sold to dealers who registered the cars, thus getting the grant. This is why many cars are stuck in the ports in Europe. Ones exported get the grand without being sold, just export license registered....
Neta is not out of business but is actually expanding. They now have the Neta X small SUV
Thank you for making this. I've already had to debunk this claim several times on social media this last month or so.
My pleasure, thanks for being here 🙏
The reason those cars are parked is because they were crappy cars in 2017. Compared to today’s BEV’s they are almost useless. Hope they are recycled soon.
Recycling is a scam. It is cheaper to mine new minerals than to break a product down into its many individual parts and process it again. Taking them apart and melting them down etc. costs too much money and time. It is cheaper to build new cars than to recycle the old ones. That is why these cars are there. Nobody wants to pay the costs of recycling them, so they are left there to rot. So the reports are real and in China there are fields of electric cars that are left there to rot.
Fact is, there are many cars , just stood around ,probably going to be scrapped.
Neta is still around and they make quite good cars. They are coming to Singapore.
Also those old cars could be given away to places where they can actually use then - like in Africa or India
Oil is a conflict resource and it's not recyclable. Once you burn it, it's gone.
But the earth regenerates it as old 15,20 year oil well abandoned suddenly becomes full again!!! Crude is definitely not a depleting resource....
Unfortunately, it is not gone, but changes to carbon compounds such as carbon dioxide, which pollutes the atmosphere and is said to cause climate change.
@@JakesOnline what do they burn to make the electricity to charge the battery. It makes more pollution than gas cars.
@@John-v1b8f 20% (30% worldwide) and growing is renewable like wind, solar, hydro, geothermal etc., but even if electricity was 100% fossil, EVs would still be more efficient than ICE.
So if you leave electric cars parked in squares in the hope that they will be recycled at some point, isn't that the same as letting cars rot in fields???
Well....yes ? They're parked in a square (or a field) and not being used (left to rot)...???
Great work Ben. Now you need to debunk many conspiracy theories that the Tesla’s head is spewing too. Thanks.
bingo!
Thanks again Ben
Just noticed the picture claiming the cars are in Paris has mountains in the background. You can’t see mountains from Paris.
I would like to point out that the day they decide to recycle those cars they will be recycled immediately. Those cars are still there because someone is guarding them and making sure they are not taken away by the recyclers. If those cars were "abandoned" metal recyclers would have taken them already. They wouldn't last a month in a field without someone guarding them.
Thank you for fighting the FUD !!
Most likely those are just a regular acid batteries in them.
If people are unhappy about EV batteries and the environment, they must be LIVID at the fact gasoline can't be recycled.
Not quite the same though is it.
Stupid observation about gas/oil being recycled. Can electricity, light from the sun or wind be recycled?
@@dbmn7571 Light from the sun and the wind are constantly being recycled.
@@dbmn7571light from the sun?😂
@@dbmn7571light from the sun is why solar power is hundreds of times more sustainable than fossil fuels, yes…
I have commented on serpentza's channel before about his hate and bs against China and what does he do?
Deletes my comments 😂
I did some research about "graveyard" myself and he clearly didn't like what I find out about it 😅
This one was just like the meme showing an open pit "lithium mine", it was actually the Escondida Copper mine, then showing a drilling rig with a caption saying "Which is more damaging to the environment? Alberta Proud!"
In Alberta they strip mine to produce oil. Just look at a satellite image of Ft McMurray Alberta.
Yes, this is it, exactly.
I also like the ones where they light tap water from a faucet on fire because it has so many chemicals in it from fracking. Fun fact, oil companies are exempt from having to reveal all of the chemicals they're using for fracking, because "trade secret" or something.
Even if those were new EVs, it still doesn't mean a thing. A bunch of years back, I had a job trashing beautiful new italian cars by the thousands. They had been parked at free port for two years waiting for buyers, and nobody wanted them any more. Some rust issue on one model had gotten so much publicity, the whole brand suffered. It's sad, but it happens.
It would still be interesting to see what happens to all those abandoned cars though…
Follow up???
I'm tired of cobalt being painted as a "bad" material in the general sense. It comes from multiple locations on this planet. The DRC is of course the largest and the one that garnered all of the opprobrium due to the child labor in the family run tiny mines using hand labor. Some of that likely still exists, but the large scale production comes from mining companies that have created point of origin tracking for all that they sell. Large scale purchasers of the product such Tesla, LG, Panasonic, Samsung et al are only interested in demonstrable, proof of origin suppliers. The largest consumption of cobalt is by the fuel refinement industry, and there will likely be a price collapse in cobalt as total refined fossil fuels inevitably go down. Nothing wrong with high energy density batteries. They will continue to have their application.
You are spot on with the cobalt issue. For the most part child labor has been eliminated and inspectors oversee and verify the source. Yet the taking point never dies.
Use as a catalyst in all industries (and is recycled) - 4%
Use in EVs - over 40% in 2022 and climbing
Statista Research Department, Nov 16, 2023.
100% - It is truly beyond me how people can believe that a world’s supply of Cobalt is mined using child labor. And then also ignoring the fact that cobalt is being heavily used in so many other industries before EV came to life.
Great clarification, but still hundreds and hundreds of cars !!! Obviously not being used. So wrong cars but still crap.
Sometimes, I have some thought in the middle of a supermarket : everything around me is garbage.
Sometimes, I'm in front of a pile of garbage, and I see a lot of products there.
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Sometimes I see words in front of me and I think WTF. Other times I read words and I think "This is some prime grade BS"
I thought a lot of those so called "EVs" were actually just Hybrids. Didn't the Electric Viking cover that?
Actually Cobalt is also used in refining gasoline and other petroleum products, which as far as I know does not get recycled at all (it is burned and it is gone forever). Batteries do get recycled.
It's used as a catalyst so not burnt. However it does indeed get used up, by erosion and is not recoverable. I believe the petrochemical industry is the largest user of cobalt (someone will correct me if I'm wrong LOL).
@@nickwinn7812 Thanks for the clarification.
A little clarification. Cobalt isn't gone forever, its like the other 100 (+ -) basic elements found the periodic table. All those elements won't be transformed by industrial processes. All of those elements can be transformed, but it takes huge amounts of energy to do it, best example is a nuclear explosion. As for the cobalt its still there, its just changed in the oil refining process from (maybe, I cant recall correctly) an oxide compound to a sulfate compound.
@@nickwinn7812 oil industry uses about 4% of cobalt production - its expensive and has high recycling rates within the industry- above 95% .
@@bordersw1239 OK. thanks for correcting my ignorance. Will make sure to check my info in future.
Luxury Swiss watch makers dumped thousands of high end automatic watches into the ocean where divers have recently found them and brought them to the surface, in what was an attempt to create artificial scarcity during the quartz crisis in the 1980's. So its no wonder than many failing Chinese business would have to dump fleets of white vehicles like this.
You can simply distinguish chinese EVs from ICE cars: EV = green license plate, ICE = blue license plate. Lots of pictures shown by Serpentza are cars with blue license plate.
0:35 and 0:53 left bottom; 4:30 and 11:29 right bottom
Often, the perspective is chosen so you can't see the license plates.
The green license plate law is newer than some EVs. That means some old EVs are use the blue plates like the ICE cars.
This is very old news. First generation EVs from several years ago that do not reflect current EVs that are for sale now. EV sales around the world are increasing and with the new battery tech that is coming will only grow faster.
I 'love' how Americans are afraid of the word "chemicals".
Serpentza is an interesting guy but I havent been as interested in his content recently. His core viewers seem to be critical of China so he keeps making that. He lived in China for a while and made some cool vids on life there and motorcycled around a lot. He tried to pivot to a car channel but that didnt seem to work out.
I used to watch him a few years back when he walked/rode around China speaking Mandarin to the locals, exposing scams and such. Then he claimed the CCP was after him and he 'escaped' with his Chinese wife. It all seemed a bit sensational like Jerry Springer so I stopped watching his contents.
maybe all his utuber's subscriber fans are from see eye ace. thats what they do.
Great video. Keep them coming.
One fact to debunk chinese government articially inflates EV sales figure myth is by understanding how people buy car in China. When you buy a car in China, the registration is purely owners responsibility. The dealership had nothing to do with it, they just sold you a car and its not their problem whether you can register and drive it legally on road. Hence why you will see some brand new car without plates driving around in China because the owner just picked it up from dealership and on the way home or local road registry. So that car would not counted as sales until it's officially registered.
As I heard from some sources, cars in dealership are considered already sold, so the dealer is the first buyer. That goes as well to all exported cars, as cars leave China, they are "sold.
How does that debunk anything ?
@@OveToranger dealerships won't be able to manipulate sales data (by registering unsold cars) and count as sales for the official. Standard dealership practice during the bad month to inflate sales figures in other countries i.e. australia.
Petrolganda. The jerk might as well go to any auto salvage yard and claim that they're all EVs.
This video is also taken out of context. The main point was the startup of company that really had no real business, but was used as tools for money grabbing. After getting as much money as they could, the companies was bankrupted and the pieces are just left.
Another excellent debunking video, thanks Ben.
They have cities full of apartments in China that are just built to a very low standard with no plumbing or electricity and stand empty, they are just to provide employment, it's all a sham to keep the populace happy and employed. Though I doubt you would do a video on that.
So, If they produce buildings just to produce buildings and make the system sustain a little more, is it unthinkable that it is the same with EVs ?
I think China wants to overproduce any any competition (dumping) on one hand. On the other, if their cars are electric, and their electricity is produced in a big part from coal, which they have, they'll need to import less oil from the Middle east. It is not cleaner (it's worse), but it's not their goal, it's to be less vulnerable to a blockade.
Awesome video, thank you for being truthful and honest
9:00 - Tesla doesn't offer LFP cars at the moment. So it's NMC for Model 3 and Y
China built Tesla's only use LFP for their Model 3 Highland RWD and Model Y RWD! their specifications still mention it. You might be referring to USA built Teslas.
I've seen similar piles of e-scooters and e-bikes in China. These have happened because China insentivised ride share schemes beyond market sustainability. There was a gold rush to cash in, followed by the inevitable company failures. This is part of the mess of progress and with luck they will be correctly scrapped before long. After all there is a high value in materials in them, even if no-one wants them as cars any more.
@@jessonabike This is the capitalist way of working, with a lot of competition and a lot of enterprises going bankrupt.
We mine metals and precious metals for gas cars. Some of these same minerals in EVs are in gas cars given how much tech is involved in gas car. And because many don't know this I need to point out that we use cobalt for more things than just EV batteries. But interestingly enough, it's used as a catalyst in oil refining. You know...the very oil we use for gas cars and a host of other things we use petroleum for. So it would seem we're ALL guilty of playing our part in reaping the benefits of this labor from African countris.
dude's never seen an ICE scrapyard
Like Horipito motors in New Zealand, a famous scrap yard.
Usually, those cars are 25 years old or more not 7.
The human brain is not sensitive to numbers, it is difficult to understand how large a 10,000 in real life is.
China banned ice cars in tier 1 cities, that's why the growth.
This type of imagery showing different locations, similar objects ( sometimes firearms, boats, train wrecks, airplanes, etc.) different times ( sometimes off by years), is a technique used by "news media" all over the world, usually listed as "file footage" to augment a story. Some is blatantly obvious, others are more "professionally" produced. Once in the public space, they are photo shopped at will, and apparently no one cares, because they are not copyrighted. ( No one wants to claim ownership of a false narrative). Unfortunately, it costs a lot more to debunk a lie, than to produce it in the first place. Good job, and sorely needed.
8:00. “Everybody Knows…” is usually followed by lies.
Small correction: LFP is not new, is it wasnt when I studied automotive batteries 15y ago. However, at that time the weight was considered too high fot electric cars. Incremental improvements now got so far that this cheapest and very robust batt chemistry is becoming the standard for moderate range vehicles, like my model 3 RWD, and heavy duty vehicles like trucks that do full cycles daily. Anyways, good work busting bs.
In the UK I have often seen pictures of fields of MG4s with the caption that nobody wants to buy them so they are being left to rot. Until you count up the cars in the picture and realise the entire field accounts for around 1 week of UK sales.
What nobody talks about is the vast amount of cobalt that the petroleum industry uses in the production of fuel. It is used to remove sulphur. Approximately 70% is recycled, whereas recycled batteries over 90% is recovered.
Cobalt is not a conflict resource - conflicts are caused by people through oppression, corruption and exploitation - if cobalt production ceases, the next source of income must be sought, which may be even worse for the poorest people in these countries - the cause must be fought, not the result!
Why, why oh why do people make these obviously false lies and put their face and name to it??????????????? Thanks for exposing this one Ben. Also, the enormous amount of mining done to get hydrocarbons out of the ground, plus the infrastructure to mine it, process it, transport it etc. is mindbogglingly massive, compared to what we need for batteries.
When my wife bought a BAIC EC3 back in 2020 the sales guy boasted how the BAIC company is also manufacturing Mercedes Benz cars for China and that the battery modules are the same as in the EC5 cars which were the most common EV taxis at the time. He was right, the car is solid. Those rental cars had the smaller battery, ours has the 32kWh battery that gives about 300km range.
These EV graveyard is from a failed Ride Share company.
If you want to know whether China is selling EVs, you go to the street and count the cars, not to a car grave yard which doesn't mean anything.
There is a video out there that shows at least one of those fields, there were no batteries installed in the majority of the vehicles.
Now show pictures of all the ICE junkyards.
@@JacobsEVAdventures yeah because we all know those can't leak gas, oil, toxic fluids when they are let to rot for years!
Why would Serpenza lie? Because he has no moral and lying gets him more $$$. That grifters used to be an English teacher but was kicked out of China because he didn't have the proper education or license. Since then he's been very bitter about everything China. I just feel bad about his Chinese girlfriend, although it's a big question if she's still with him.
Nah she has moved on hence why he is very bitter about anything from China including culture and food.
EV batteries are recycled. The batteries for laptop, phones, and other devices rarely get recycled.
wrong, only 5% of ev batteries are recycled. google it.
serpentza? just a snake
What's with this new energy? electric cars were first developed in the 1820s
The electric Viking argued that all cars shown on your first picture were ICE cars. When I remarked that several of
them had the letters "ev" painted on them he said that this did not made him change his opinion.
He had some superior knowledge.
If I may, it looks as if you've been a bit mislead, I do appreciate criticism and I am very much interested in uncovering the truth which is why I tackle these topics that are heavily censored in China. I do so as I have a vested interest in China having lived there for 14 years and being married into a Chinese family. A few corrections if I may. I did not say that the BYDs with the plastic on the seats were part of that initial graveyard with the Neta Vs, I directly translated the Chinese man who initially took that clip of the first graveyard who said in Chinese (which I speak, read and write) that there were over 10k Neta Vs abandoned there. I did not pretend that two different clips were from the same place (you did that). I clearly stated that the BYDs like the Neta Vs (both different clips) were plated and registered, the other footage comes from different graveyards from all over China, it is not a single graveyard, and many are a result of the crazy first gen rush into shared cars, cheap EV conversions of existing gas cars (I drove one and owned one in China). Please watch my video again and take note of what I'm saying. You are misrepresenting what I'm saying here and heavily glossing over the fact that these graveyards do exist and subsidy fraud does exist and has been proven in the Chinese EV market. The "on the ground" clip you showed is from a Chinese based EV promotional channel which is heavily biased and has a vested interest in doing damage control. I am not familiar with your channel but it seems that you have a vested interest in the promotion of EVs and I could understand why you would like to push back against the notion that the Chinese EV boom has been built on a lot of fraud, trickery and environmental destruction. I unfortunately have seen it with my own eyes. I hope that you don't simply dismiss any criticism of the Chinese EV industry because you don't like the way I look. - SerpentZA (Zed A)
I appreciate you taking the time to respond here, and welcome the discussion. As I stated in the beginning of the video my intent here was not to dismiss criticism of China and their reporting of facts but to debunk this notion that the Chinese EV market is somehow a complete facade and thus, EVs are a pure scam.
Whether or not you intended this, your video is being used by people trying to hurt the EV industry by taking it and exaggerating it's claims all over the internet. This is why it popped up on my radar.
My interest in promoting EVs has more to do with my belief in their benefits to the consumer than anything else. I'm a tech guy at heart, not an environmentalist nor car guy. So for me, as a data scientist, what I like to do is seek out the most credible data possible and use that as a base for discussions.
If you have data on the "fraud, trickery and environmental destruction" you claim, I'd love to see it because from what I could find there isn't much out there currently.
Sorry for the confusion about the name also. As an American our education system doesn't do a good job of creating a worldly perspective or understanding. Perhaps a video chat sometime could help clear things up. My email is in the about section if you want to reach out.
@@BenSullinsOfficial No problem, if you google Chinese EV subsidy fraud, you'll find a host of articles from reputable news sources such as Reuters, there were massive reforms in 2017 due to the rampant fraud. You can look at the KANDI fiasco as a solid example of how Chinese EV companies gamed the system and produced massive amounts of waste and cars that were never used and never will be used. I'm more than happy to share the sources I have for all of my observations and I'm not inherently against EVs, I am a big proponent of technology, it's the wasteful and destructive manner upon which the Chinese EV industry was built (and still runs on in certain ways) that needs more scrutiny and exposure.
Awesome thanks for sharing. I’ll look into it. And it sounds like we agree on more things than not. Talk soon..
My biggest issue is when people point out a "problem" with a new disruptive industry /invention and somehow forget the same problem exists with the old industry
Car graveyards are around for gas cars too and even for airplanes
The man in question is Serpent-Zed-Ah. Explanation is he is originally from South Africa, and his father made money from snakes. He has his moments, but was actually chucked out of China though excess criticism. Not that he was falsely criticizing China, just he was doing too good a job. So he probably has an axe to grind with China.
Anti EV is just popular now, so click bait.
He was doing a good job of click baiting. He has never been welded to the truth when it comes to China.
He makes a living smearing China based on many lies. I have seen so many of his videos using unrelated clips. He knows what he is doing. He has been working with a certain exiled cult too. Both get their funds from you-know-who
Why don't they recycle those vehicles?
That youtuber serpenz... has some bizarre content.
He's a CIA plant for sure.
Like what ?
I found another channel spreading some EV fud, it's called Chase Car. Check out the videos and read all the anti-EV comments, strange world we live in.
When I take my Tesla out for a drive, I always think: why are all these people satisfied driving dinosaur vehicles. I think: if they educated themselves they would switch to an electric. Ben's videos underscore how difficult it is for people to become informed consumers in a world inundated with missinformation. Happy driving my comfortable, quiet, fast, efficient, and so far trouble free 2023 Tesla model 3 performance in central Texas 🙂
Great and very meticulous work, Ben! Keep giving the world more of it. Hopefully, it reaches the people "in need" of it …