Part of me didn't want to share this video because I know that going forward I'll have a lot of pressure to get this supercharger install done, and I know it's not going to be happening as soon as folks (including myself) would like. Part of me wanted to share this video so that I would get pressured into actually completing the supercharger install. Hope everyone's having a wonderful day! If you're into scrolling through photos, consider adding my photos to your endless list: instagram.com/engineeringexplained/
The longer you delay the installation the more time you will have to reconsider your purchase , sell it , and do the right thing and turbocharge the s2000. A properly sized turbo will more reliably make more power in all RPM ranges than that supercharger
Engineering Explained Hi. What about ceramic coating to engine parts, exhaust parts and other parts? I own a 2005 Subaru Legacy Spec B 3.0R wich engine its being completly repair. I will aplly to the pistons ceramic coating wich will help to protect them and get some more Hp. After this I will aplly ceramic coating to the exhaust headers. It got the same objective has thermal blanket but with time It wont damage the exhaust. The thermal blanket usually make small holes on the exhaust. Can you review ceramic coatings in a future video? Thanks. (Im from Portugal)
Relating to sanisidrocr's comment I'm sure we would all like to know what back of the envelope calculations you did maybe to predict what kind of power you would add with this install, and maybe how that impacted your choice to do this mod over a turbo charger. Obviously you have fun driving the car I like the idea of making small subtle improvements. Like you said more power means more damage, what a shame it would be to go overboard.
There are plenty of dyno tests comparing this kit to various turbo kits and people like me who have installed and tested these kits over years know better. Centrifugal superchargers produce most HP at peak RPM which is actually more dangerous for the engine. If you were concerned with reliability you would choose a more conservative sized turbo that would end up with less peak HP, but much more torque under the curve and thus make a more reliable , quicker, and more drivable car. There are literally no reasons to ever choose a centrifugal SC above a turbocharger.
Its not whats better but what you would like to use the car for and also how much money you want to invest in you car. Supercharger - no lag, no drivetrain problems, no need of 123091203912093 width tires and so on.
Hootywho have you seen his s2000 engine compartment? Putting both in will require quite a bit of rearranging. Not a bad idea if you have the money and the time, but what's the point of all that stress on the engine if he's just driving it daily?
Gabriel Bailey as long as turbine heat is properly managed... Seen a lot of turbo owners whacked off their boost like mad, 2 mins later stopped by and just turn off the engine with oil boiling inside... Surely not long after that, something bad will happen... Unlike supercharger, not as hot as turbos... But less power though...
I don't know if this comment will be seen months after video went live but just wanted to say love your channel. 2 months ago I installed a Procharger D1X on my 17 Mustang GT. The reason I went centrifugal was the benefit of what you actually highlight as a disadvantage. Namely the fact that the Boost comes on as the RPMs climb and you don't have that initial hit of a positive displacement. I had a few reasons for desiring that powerband. 1 it's a daily driver which means it sees rain and (living in NYC) cold. By short Shifting the car it maintains the drivability in adverse conditions as I can stay out of boost longer. The daily driving behavior of the car is phenomenal. 2 is longevity of the drivetrain. I'm by no means wealthy and able to pour money into my car. I'm sure you know, the easiest way to break something is apply a ton of torque to it while it's at rest. Trans, driveshaft, diff, and halfshafts take a lot more wear and tear if the car is standing still and you "floor it" than if these parts are already rotating. 3 I don't track my car. Most contests of speed are from a roll on a street. As such, I'm already at about 3k when I go so Im already starting to get into my boost. If I occasionally go from a dig, I'm launching it at higher RPM anyway. You can see this on the turbo McLarens which have a message on the dash. When u r stopped and bring the RPMs up for a launch, it says "Building Boost-Wait" Once RPMs climb, it says "Boost Ready". Obviously there's nothing wrong with positive displacement superchargers. They are great. Essentially centrifugal was just better for my situation.
I've been lurking your channel for a while, but I just have to say how thankful I am for you and your efforts into this channel. You've greatly expanded my enthusiasm for cars and I owe you a great deal for that. As a pursuing engineer myself and car enthusiast, I can relate to you. Thank you for making me a better person, car guy, and an engineer at the same time.
Jonah Beale Anytime air is forced into an engine it is supercharging. Belt driven, exhaust driven, or even driven by compressed air, it is still supercharging. Turbochargers are acedemically and properly known as turbo superchargers.
Jonah Beale not all superchargers are turbos but all turbos are historically superchargers. A turbo can be considered a type of supercharger, because a turbo was originally called a “turbosupercharger” which was shortened to "turbocharger" or simply to “turbo” later on. Just like a centri is a type if supercharger or a pd supercharger, etc... There are a ton of different turbo setups and ultimately turbos became pretty much a separate category. Though if you wanna be super pedantic yea it's a type of supercharging.
Turbos are cool but the torque, and power you get from superchargers are on a different level. Might not go as fast in the top speed, but the pull you get for short wide track circuits, or autocross is where they thrive.
This was a great video Jason. I always new how turbos and root style superchargers worked but, I never really knew exactly how Centrifugal superchargers worked. I also remember in high school my AP Physics teacher telling us that centrifugal force was not actually real. This confused me cause I was like “but what about those supercharger thingys”. Lol 😂 great video man!!!
Joshua Kelm Yeah we spent a half semester solely on Newton’s lawns and forces so we covered all that. How much of it I still remember is up for debate, but nevertheless lol.
You can use Centrifugal force just fine. The people that like to point out that it isn't real, just like spouting factoids. And really it all just matters what your frame of refernce is.
I have a similar setup on my Subaru EJ253 (Raptor AU supercharger) - I love it. 200k miles and runs like a champ. Max boost @ max RPM makes it relatively easy power on the engine (high boost at low engine load). The low end torque is good-- very noticeable right off the line. My HP curve is very linear but torque is like a shallow mountain or inverted shallow V.
Always enjoyed your videos. TBH, I've never really understood how superchargers worked and until I saw the video today. It's a pleasure to learn from your videos. Thanks
Man I’m just a young kid trying to learn about engines and all the components to it and all theory of it and you’ve taught me a lot so far. Thank you very much
Also, unlike a turbocharger, boost depends directly upon engine RPM. This makes tuning and controlling a supercharger easier and safer than adding a turbo to a motor. No blowoff valves or added exhaust backpressure to worry about.
True, turbos only depends on how much exhaust gas flowing out, which can only be countered by the driver... Usually they rev to spool up first... While this supercharger can be controlled by gears to spin turbine faster, either mechanical or electronically controlled... Some guys here said something about combining CVT with it... Theoretically, it should work...
we have so much in common! I have a spa yellow s2000 also. just did my 4.77 gear last winter and I'm in the process of putting my vortech supercharger in now! right now all i have done is my upgraded heat exchanger from frozen boost. all that's left for me is supercharger and bracket to be put on. a aem ecu and id1000. good luck and can't wait to see your install
I would love to see a drive by video or something of the sort to hear that thing whine after you put it on. I bet it'll feel like a whole new car, as well. Really cool.
Hey dude, you're from Oregon if I remember correctly? You should make a video for your fellow Oregonians on how to pump gas without blowing themselves up. 😂 Love your videos, keep up the good work.
Have you thought about running a smaller pulley with a wastegate? That will give you more low end torque, while allowing you to bleed pressure at higher RPMs to preserve your engine.
Just thinking about what you said. Wouldn’t a smaller puller create more boost and power therefore putting more stress on an engine. I’m not an expert but I was just thinking. (Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). ;)
The smaller pulley will spin faster, thus producing more boost at any given engine rpm. The wastegate then bleeds off that boost to a controlled pressure at higher rpms, in order to save your engine.
Centrifugal Supercharger sound for some reason always remind me a Bull when he tries to attack you, and when he stop in a corner all the air goes out of his nose, know it's my favorite tipe of supercharger, like is pure fury when you combine it with V6 or V8 engine.
I had an S2000 AP1, this setup will certainly make it a night and day thrill! Down low, it is already a bit flat, with the added drag, and almost no boost down low, it will make it even more sluggish.. But then, as revs build, it will make it much more thrillingly fast at the top of the range... Really going to make this a jekyll and hyde car, a mini big turbo Supra!!
I really appreciate the level of detail you go into when explaining things. You take something that could be complicated and break it down into manageable pieces of information. I dig it when you break out the white board, lol. I hope the install goes well on the s2000 (I'd say no pressure but it's a supercharger =P). Side note, would you ever consider twin-charging your engine on the s2000 or others, or is that more or less pointless in most situations? Thanks again Jason!
Awesome video. Not trying to nitpick since I'm not 100% sure inside the supercharger. I thought with this type of supercharger the drive gear is larger than driven gear, meaning it's an overdrive gear, much like in a transmission giving a higher output speed. "Gear reduction" is when going from a small drive gear to larger driven gear reducing speed. That's what I thought, maybe you can verify.
Thanks for giving a simple explanation. Interestingly, my parents petrol engine ( Renault C3, from the UK) develops maximum torque at about 1600 rpm by using a supercharger. It seems to have both the torque of a diesel & power of a petrol but i am guessing that the economy does not match a diesel.
Fascinating! Thanks for the explanation, as always you made it very easy to understand! An interesting possible solution for the lack of boost at low RPM, might be to have a type of gearing setup (CVT?) that enables the supercharger to spin faster at lower engine RPM. Of course this brings with it many other challenges (packaging, cost, complication, etc.) but if you could keep the charger spinning within its sweet spot all the time, it might be worthwhile, especially in racing applications.
I watch all your videos, i dig how u explain stuff snd show how stuff works at the same time, makes it ez to learn Only thing i ask, how will you ever know if the lil water pump craps out? Killer videos tho man!!
I was kind of anticipating a note about how centrifugal chargers are (or could be) the least stressful of the boost options out there. This is from personal perusal on the forums mostly, but since the centrifugal gradually builds boost, it's not subjecting the engine and drivetrain to the "shock" of full boost all at once at a given load, like a turbocharger or other type of supercharger. Anyways, keep the vids coming and yes! Install! :D everything's better with boost, right!?
Great video buddy! :-) For a few moments, I was thinking where are you going to get all those components in the engine bay ... But by uncovering those plastic covers in the front area, I was quite suprised how I much more space Japanese left there ... They knew, that "the gentlemen agreement" will be broken by some enthusiasts like you Jason ;-)
I watch all these different car people videos to understand how things work and understand the culture behind them and to get an idea of what I'm going to do to my car. And I never understood why this very highly informative man I can't watch. I just figured it out in almost all of the videos there's a hum. I have ADHD and I can't focus on anything other than that hum.
I am in my final semester and I really think I missed using your channel during my second and third😭. However thanks for really making my last semester a successful one 🙏
I think the meaning can swap around depending on context, reduction in speed + increase in torque is one use, reduction in torque + increase in speed is another use?
mechanical things can be used in many ways even if not designed for that purpose. people use cut off pistons as ash trays. Just saying something does not make it right, even if it sounds good. look up reduction box definition, as a starting point.
I'm still beginner about cars technology, turbos, supercharger i just little bit know about that things. And i confuse when i know that a one things called "centrifugal supercharger" the first thing that make me confuse is the shape like turbo. Until i watch this video and i know the different. Thanks! EE.
the way the air is pumped in is the same for the turbo and centrifugal supercharger. but the way the are driven is different - turbo is driven by exhaust gasses adn the supercharger is driven from the crankshaft. there is nothing complicated there.
I would be interested to see that set up on a 13b rotary. Maybe see if a tiny turbo could be worked in. Kind of in the spirit of Mazda's sequential turbo design. Thanks for all the excellent knowledge you drop! I learn a lot on your channel.
Another good thing about those superchargers being as compact as they are is that they are lighter than roots or twin screw superchargers, so you're not adding as much weight when installing it.
What I love about my s2000 and what others hate, is that it's all up top. You gotta work for it and it makes it feel like more of an "event" for me. That's why this setup is perfect for the car. It keeps that feel the same but simply bumps it up. Can't wait to see how it turns out for you! I'm guessing 350-400 wheel?
Oh and can you please do a video on ram air? Is it effective or would a much greater psi into the intake be needed to achieve anything worth doing the work for. Please and thank you!!! Great vids, keep it up!
Could you do a video on all the different types of forced induction like this and a final video that explains which to choose for what anyone needs like the awd 4x4 one
It would be interesting to see a go-cart cvt pulley used as a pulley for a centrifugal supercharger to cause it to be geared in a way that it builds more boost earlier.
The time has come for the supercharged Honda S2000 build to start!! That's wicked! Hey Chances are you won"t need any help with your build but if you ever did you should contact John from LTH Performance! All you Honda people reading this comment know who I am talking about..That guy has built some outstanding supercharged honda s2000.
Love the video as always. One question though, what is the advantages of an air to water over an air to air intercooler? Could you not find a kit that included an air to air like most kits or make a custom one?
There are a couple variants on this setup that I've been curious to see, but haven't had the time in private life to chase. First is using a geared turbine supercharger driven by a brushless DC motor. Motors, controllers, and high capacity lithium batteries have become much more widely available. This setup, as in F1, would allow boost to be called up as needed rather than as available. Second is a refrigeration circuit as an intercooler. There are a couple ways to regulate a system like that but I simply do not know enough about combustion dynamics to say whether it would be worth the effort.
theres also the twincharging option that is the best way to get more poerformance out of the car, supercharger and turbocharger thats true use of all engineering in one tight space
ive been waiting for the vid where you say your saying your supercharging your s2000. congratulations and take your time. no rush. im bummed because i turned down an s2k because i wanted an s550 mustang for better straight line performance. I dony regret my purchase but just wish i could afford and s2k ap1 also.
Engineering Explained the main reaon i like the s2k is the redline but with the coyote ford sells the gt350 intake manifold and when swapped the coyote will make power all the way to 7500 and the limiter can be increased to 7900 rpm. cant wait to swap
When you were talking about the centrifugal compressor output curve you showed that is was a linear type curve. Isn't the output characteristics of positive displacement pumps like roots or screw type compressors to linearly increase their output as rpm rises but for centrifugal pumps, aka turbos and centrifugal superchargers outputs increase is proportional to the square of the change in rpm. Your graph doesn't really represent that. Also all this is assuming there is no waste-gating or bypassing going on.
I think a centrifugal supercharger is a really good choice on a stock bottom end engine. They don't hit as hard at low rpm and build boost as rpms build. They also work better with the higher compression ratio you'd have a a stock motor. Because your not building boost at the low end, the parasitic loss, at low speed, isn't too bad. I think your going to love it especially on a long hard pull! It's funny to read some of these comments. People seem to be biased toward PD blowers or turbos saying this or that is better. They all have their pros and cons but I think a Centri is a great choice for the reasons mentioned before, and ease of install as well.
I would love to see a video explaining the differences, pros/cons, and such between a V style engine and an inline style engine and where it makes sense to have one engine over the other. I don't know if that last question can really be answered 😂 but I would still love to see a video on that topic
Could you achieve more low-end torque by driving the compressor with a CVT to permit higher boost at lower RPMs? This could be controlled by the throttle to provide a higher ratio the further the throttle is depressed up to max boost. In theory, it seems like you could have max boost no matter what RPM you were at and only when you wanted it.
hi jason i like your easy explanatory videos thanks for it if you allow me to ask ... what are the cons of using displacement compressor , why its always centrifugal compressor for example why don't we use compressors like those small ones for filling tires ??
I'm looking to get one of these vortech SC for my 3800 S1, eventually, for the internally stockish of the 3 3800 powered cars I got, probably not after I finish my current mild N/A car which will make similar to a SC one. These SC go well with 3800 as they lift up the top end a lot but leave the very torquey low end alone and response down there remains as well.
Dam man why are you so smart! Your videos are always so cool!Also correct me if I am wrong; a centrifugal super charger builds boost gradually so most of the time you can use stock internals as it is not an immediate strain on the components. A normal turbo or roots style super charger puts alot of boost on top of the pistons which stresses everything out and this is why you won't necessarily need forged internals for normal boost.
Great explanation thanks! You mentioned the engine will not last as long as you are stressing it by modifications, will the engine need more maintenance or a complete rebuild?
Thanks for going really in depth, im playin forza and had no clue what a centrifugal supercharger was and thought it was a turbo and supercharger combined💀, now i just think of it as a turbo with gears that doesnt work as good lmaoo
Part of me didn't want to share this video because I know that going forward I'll have a lot of pressure to get this supercharger install done, and I know it's not going to be happening as soon as folks (including myself) would like. Part of me wanted to share this video so that I would get pressured into actually completing the supercharger install. Hope everyone's having a wonderful day! If you're into scrolling through photos, consider adding my photos to your endless list: instagram.com/engineeringexplained/
The longer you delay the installation the more time you will have to reconsider your purchase , sell it , and do the right thing and turbocharge the s2000. A properly sized turbo will more reliably make more power in all RPM ranges than that supercharger
Engineering Explained Hi. What about ceramic coating to engine parts, exhaust parts and other parts? I own a 2005 Subaru Legacy Spec B 3.0R wich engine its being completly repair. I will aplly to the pistons ceramic coating wich will help to protect them and get some more Hp. After this I will aplly ceramic coating to the exhaust headers. It got the same objective has thermal blanket but with time It wont damage the exhaust. The thermal blanket usually make small holes on the exhaust. Can you review ceramic coatings in a future video? Thanks. (Im from Portugal)
Relating to sanisidrocr's comment I'm sure we would all like to know what back of the envelope calculations you did maybe to predict what kind of power you would add with this install, and maybe how that impacted your choice to do this mod over a turbo charger. Obviously you have fun driving the car I like the idea of making small subtle improvements. Like you said more power means more damage, what a shame it would be to go overboard.
There are plenty of dyno tests comparing this kit to various turbo kits and people like me who have installed and tested these kits over years know better. Centrifugal superchargers produce most HP at peak RPM which is actually more dangerous for the engine. If you were concerned with reliability you would choose a more conservative sized turbo that would end up with less peak HP, but much more torque under the curve and thus make a more reliable , quicker, and more drivable car. There are literally no reasons to ever choose a centrifugal SC above a turbocharger.
Do a turbocharger instead
Centrifugal Supercharger always reminded me of a Jet starter, electric motor coupled with a turbo ....
I already knew all this, but I still sat and watched the whole thing, there's just something about your videos and how you present information.
Exactly... even if I am not learning anything new, it is still awesome to get a nice refresher from someone who is so knowledgeable.
He does a great job.
If this video gets 40k likes you have to put the supercharger on!
Deal!
Its not whats better but what you would like to use the car for and also how much money you want to invest in you car. Supercharger - no lag, no drivetrain problems, no need of 123091203912093 width tires and so on.
@dosmastrify Why not both?
Hootywho have you seen his s2000 engine compartment? Putting both in will require quite a bit of rearranging. Not a bad idea if you have the money and the time, but what's the point of all that stress on the engine if he's just driving it daily?
pssst, he's going to do it later anyway, but hey 40k likes why not?
Im more of a turbo guy myself, just for the fun factor, and a supercharged s2k sounds pretty sick! can't wait to see it complete!
Gabriel Bailey as long as turbine heat is properly managed... Seen a lot of turbo owners whacked off their boost like mad, 2 mins later stopped by and just turn off the engine with oil boiling inside... Surely not long after that, something bad will happen... Unlike supercharger, not as hot as turbos... But less power though...
"A turbo: Exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens, and you go faster." - Jeremy Clarkson
Words of wisdom from the great god himself. 😂
Literally the only explanation needed
*engine powers the turbocharger*
Aspix so does it for the blower
Can't wait to see the S2k Supercharged!
S2KS!
Gentleman Hooligan great minds think alike!
Yes sir xD
I don't know if this comment will be seen months after video went live but just wanted to say love your channel. 2 months ago I installed a Procharger D1X on my 17 Mustang GT. The reason I went centrifugal was the benefit of what you actually highlight as a disadvantage. Namely the fact that the Boost comes on as the RPMs climb and you don't have that initial hit of a positive displacement. I had a few reasons for desiring that powerband. 1 it's a daily driver which means it sees rain and (living in NYC) cold. By short Shifting the car it maintains the drivability in adverse conditions as I can stay out of boost longer. The daily driving behavior of the car is phenomenal. 2 is longevity of the drivetrain. I'm by no means wealthy and able to pour money into my car. I'm sure you know, the easiest way to break something is apply a ton of torque to it while it's at rest. Trans, driveshaft, diff, and halfshafts take a lot more wear and tear if the car is standing still and you "floor it" than if these parts are already rotating. 3 I don't track my car. Most contests of speed are from a roll on a street. As such, I'm already at about 3k when I go so Im already starting to get into my boost. If I occasionally go from a dig, I'm launching it at higher RPM anyway. You can see this on the turbo McLarens which have a message on the dash. When u r stopped and bring the RPMs up for a launch, it says "Building Boost-Wait" Once RPMs climb, it says "Boost Ready". Obviously there's nothing wrong with positive displacement superchargers. They are great. Essentially centrifugal was just better for my situation.
I've been lurking your channel for a while, but I just have to say how thankful I am for you and your efforts into this channel. You've greatly expanded my enthusiasm for cars and I owe you a great deal for that. As a pursuing engineer myself and car enthusiast, I can relate to you. Thank you for making me a better person, car guy, and an engineer at the same time.
I like how you put up a mirror on your shelfs to avoid further accidents. :D
Yes indeed!
Engineered a solution. Sounds about right : )
Speaking about shelfs... your "fluid shelf" does not seem well engineered for the amount of weight it has to carry. Just sayin'... ;-)
lol it's one where he crashed the side of his bumper or something while putting it in the garage
How to trick a non-car guy to believe your car has a turbocharger but actually it's a supercharger!
but why would you?
Except a turbo is a form of supercharging
Jonah Beale Anytime air is forced into an engine it is supercharging. Belt driven, exhaust driven, or even driven by compressed air, it is still supercharging. Turbochargers are acedemically and properly known as turbo superchargers.
Wouldn't they actually be referred to as turBINE superchargers, then?
Jonah Beale not all superchargers are turbos but all turbos are historically superchargers. A turbo can be considered a type of supercharger, because a turbo was originally called a “turbosupercharger” which was shortened to "turbocharger" or simply to “turbo” later on. Just like a centri is a type if supercharger or a pd supercharger, etc... There are a ton of different turbo setups and ultimately turbos became pretty much a separate category. Though if you wanna be super pedantic yea it's a type of supercharging.
I've used the Procharger Psc1 and Vortech V3 kits on stock engines and loved them both.
It's simple. Air goes in happiness comes out
Akira Allmendinger slogans for all sorts of forced induction
Turbos are cool but the torque, and power you get from superchargers are on a different level. Might not go as fast in the top speed, but the pull you get for short wide track circuits, or autocross is where they thrive.
VTEC²
Martin S. More like with a turbo
I already knew this however I like how you present your videos so enjoyed it as usual👍🏻 great work buddy!
It would be nice to see a comparison before and after the install in terms of power/torque output, sound and fuel consumption
This was a great video Jason. I always new how turbos and root style superchargers worked but, I never really knew exactly how Centrifugal superchargers worked. I also remember in high school my AP Physics teacher telling us that centrifugal force was not actually real. This confused me cause I was like “but what about those supercharger thingys”. Lol 😂 great video man!!!
Ha, thanks!!
Joshua Kelm Yeah we spent a half semester solely on Newton’s lawns and forces so we covered all that. How much of it I still remember is up for debate, but nevertheless lol.
laws
You can use Centrifugal force just fine. The people that like to point out that it isn't real, just like spouting factoids.
And really it all just matters what your frame of refernce is.
@@TheOwenMajorok there, little owen from the internet
BTW it is a gear overdrive NOT a reduction, usually around 1:5 or 1:6 OVERDRIVE! Cheers
Yup came here to say this… gear reduction would slow it down haha
I have a similar setup on my Subaru EJ253 (Raptor AU supercharger) - I love it. 200k miles and runs like a champ. Max boost @ max RPM makes it relatively easy power on the engine (high boost at low engine load). The low end torque is good-- very noticeable right off the line. My HP curve is very linear but torque is like a shallow mountain or inverted shallow V.
You've just taught me about something I didn't even know existed and will probably forgot about but thank you.
So in short, if you put this thing into your S2000, you are really going to feel THAT VTEC KICKED IN, yo
VTEC just kicked in, yo!
Koen Foo VTEC + supercharger = maximum powahhh
I just opened youtube to search for centrifugal superchargers, and like a clockwork ninja, your video was the first suggestion in my feed, 😆😆
Read your mind!
There were ninjas operating that supercharger? No wonder it was so fast! o_O
Always enjoyed your videos. TBH, I've never really understood how superchargers worked and until I saw the video today. It's a pleasure to learn from your videos. Thanks
Very happy to hear it, thanks for watching!
Man I’m just a young kid trying to learn about engines and all the components to it and all theory of it and you’ve taught me a lot so far. Thank you very much
belt powered turbo
adam basically
its just a normal procharger
procharger and vortec are specific brands
what's is a procharger? it's a brand! the same logic is calling every cruiser bike harley davidson, or call every sport bike yamaha
@@straight_intro you probably still call an airport apron, the tarmac. Juccazi, tomato, Who cares.
Also, unlike a turbocharger, boost depends directly upon engine RPM. This makes tuning and controlling a supercharger easier and safer than adding a turbo to a motor. No blowoff valves or added exhaust backpressure to worry about.
True, turbos only depends on how much exhaust gas flowing out, which can only be countered by the driver... Usually they rev to spool up first... While this supercharger can be controlled by gears to spin turbine faster, either mechanical or electronically controlled... Some guys here said something about combining CVT with it... Theoretically, it should work...
we have so much in common! I have a spa yellow s2000 also. just did my 4.77 gear last winter and I'm in the process of putting my vortech supercharger in now! right now all i have done is my upgraded heat exchanger from frozen boost. all that's left for me is supercharger and bracket to be put on. a aem ecu and id1000. good luck and can't wait to see your install
I would love to see a drive by video or something of the sort to hear that thing whine after you put it on. I bet it'll feel like a whole new car, as well. Really cool.
Hey dude, you're from Oregon if I remember correctly?
You should make a video for your fellow Oregonians on how to pump gas without blowing themselves up. 😂
Love your videos, keep up the good work.
Wow, this was exactly what your s2k wanted. You'll have much fun with this one!
How about a video about air-to-air intercoolers vs air-to-water intercoolers? Advantages and disadvantages of both.
You made the right choice. That will fatten up the curve. The drivability is great with that exact set-up according to the forums.
Have you thought about running a smaller pulley with a wastegate? That will give you more low end torque, while allowing you to bleed pressure at higher RPMs to preserve your engine.
Just thinking about what you said. Wouldn’t a smaller puller create more boost and power therefore putting more stress on an engine. I’m not an expert but I was just thinking. (Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). ;)
The smaller pulley will spin faster, thus producing more boost at any given engine rpm. The wastegate then bleeds off that boost to a controlled pressure at higher rpms, in order to save your engine.
Interesting idea. But I also think that might decrease fuel economy further as the engine has to work harder to spin the turbo.
This video was mentioned in a road & track article. Congrats.
Centrifugal Supercharger sound for some reason always remind me a Bull when he tries to attack you, and when he stop in a corner all the air goes out of his nose, know it's my favorite tipe of supercharger, like is pure fury when you combine it with V6 or V8 engine.
I had an S2000 AP1, this setup will certainly make it a night and day thrill! Down low, it is already a bit flat, with the added drag, and almost no boost down low, it will make it even more sluggish.. But then, as revs build, it will make it much more thrillingly fast at the top of the range... Really going to make this a jekyll and hyde car, a mini big turbo Supra!!
I really appreciate the level of detail you go into when explaining things. You take something that could be complicated and break it down into manageable pieces of information. I dig it when you break out the white board, lol. I hope the install goes well on the s2000 (I'd say no pressure but it's a supercharger =P). Side note, would you ever consider twin-charging your engine on the s2000 or others, or is that more or less pointless in most situations? Thanks again Jason!
Awesome video. Not trying to nitpick since I'm not 100% sure inside the supercharger. I thought with this type of supercharger the drive gear is larger than driven gear, meaning it's an overdrive gear, much like in a transmission giving a higher output speed. "Gear reduction" is when going from a small drive gear to larger driven gear reducing speed. That's what I thought, maybe you can verify.
Thanks for giving a simple explanation. Interestingly, my parents petrol engine ( Renault C3, from the UK) develops maximum torque at about 1600 rpm by using a supercharger. It seems to have both the torque of a diesel & power of a petrol but i am guessing that the economy does not match a diesel.
Fascinating! Thanks for the explanation, as always you made it very easy to understand! An interesting possible solution for the lack of boost at low RPM, might be to have a type of gearing setup (CVT?) that enables the supercharger to spin faster at lower engine RPM. Of course this brings with it many other challenges (packaging, cost, complication, etc.) but if you could keep the charger spinning within its sweet spot all the time, it might be worthwhile, especially in racing applications.
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I watch all your videos, i dig how u explain stuff snd show how stuff works at the same time, makes it ez to learn
Only thing i ask, how will you ever know if the lil water pump craps out?
Killer videos tho man!!
I was kind of anticipating a note about how centrifugal chargers are (or could be) the least stressful of the boost options out there. This is from personal perusal on the forums mostly, but since the centrifugal gradually builds boost, it's not subjecting the engine and drivetrain to the "shock" of full boost all at once at a given load, like a turbocharger or other type of supercharger.
Anyways, keep the vids coming and yes! Install! :D everything's better with boost, right!?
I’m conflicted between your engineering explained vs the s2k build. I think I want to see the s2k finished more
Hey Jason! Any plans to upgrade the internals as well? And also what kind of boost pressure are you expecting? Keep up the great videos!
Great video buddy! :-) For a few moments, I was thinking where are you going to get all those components in the engine bay ... But by uncovering those plastic covers in the front area, I was quite suprised how I much more space Japanese left there ... They knew, that "the gentlemen agreement" will be broken by some enthusiasts like you Jason ;-)
I watch all these different car people videos to understand how things work and understand the culture behind them and to get an idea of what I'm going to do to my car. And I never understood why this very highly informative man I can't watch. I just figured it out in almost all of the videos there's a hum. I have ADHD and I can't focus on anything other than that hum.
You are without doubt the "professor Brian Cox" of the automotive world.
get the bigger heat exchanger, its a MUST have.I did 4 years of track with a SOS kit on my S2000.
I am in my final semester and I really think I missed using your channel during my second and third😭. However thanks for really making my last semester a successful one 🙏
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I cannot wait to supercharge my s2000. This Spring should be an exciting one for you!
i love your s2k man, and centrifugal superchargers, cant wait to hear what it will sound like with that badboy on there
hi , thanks for the video.
note it is not a gear reduction but a rise in gearing that makes the impeller spin faster.
I think the meaning can swap around depending on context, reduction in speed + increase in torque is one use, reduction in torque + increase in speed is another use?
mechanical things can be used in many ways even if not designed for that purpose. people use cut off pistons as ash trays. Just saying something does not make it right, even if it sounds good.
look up reduction box definition, as a starting point.
Thanks for video. Take time installing, don't forget to check BHP increases before and after.
Good luck on your set up. Im s/c my s2000 too with a novi1000 comptech kit and a 10lbs pulley. Hope u make good numbers.
Nice! I’ll be starting with 6 lbs, then deciding if I want more from there. Will require new fuel pump, injectors, and ECU if I go higher.
I would imagine that is why the Procharger system for the GT350 is so popular.
The GT350 is a very high revving car as yours is.
Good choice.
I'm still beginner about cars technology, turbos, supercharger i just little bit know about that things. And i confuse when i know that a one things called "centrifugal supercharger" the first thing that make me confuse is the shape like turbo. Until i watch this video and i know the different. Thanks! EE.
Muhammad Isa Ansyari That's why this channel is so great. I learn something in every video.
the way the air is pumped in is the same for the turbo and centrifugal supercharger. but the way the are driven is different - turbo is driven by exhaust gasses adn the supercharger is driven from the crankshaft. there is nothing complicated there.
A before and after video of the performance impact of that super charger would make for an excellent video!! (No pressure)
I would be interested to see that set up on a 13b rotary. Maybe see if a tiny turbo could be worked in. Kind of in the spirit of Mazda's sequential turbo design. Thanks for all the excellent knowledge you drop! I learn a lot on your channel.
Another good thing about those superchargers being as compact as they are is that they are lighter than roots or twin screw superchargers, so you're not adding as much weight when installing it.
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What I love about my s2000 and what others hate, is that it's all up top. You gotta work for it and it makes it feel like more of an "event" for me. That's why this setup is perfect for the car. It keeps that feel the same but simply bumps it up. Can't wait to see how it turns out for you! I'm guessing 350-400 wheel?
I would think that a twin screw or roots would be better for a car that's already got plenty of HP up top
Oh and can you please do a video on ram air? Is it effective or would a much greater psi into the intake be needed to achieve anything worth doing the work for. Please and thank you!!! Great vids, keep it up!
Another great, informative video. Thanks.
Could you do a video on all the different types of forced induction like this and a final video that explains which to choose for what anyone needs like the awd 4x4 one
How about a engineering video on deflection. The shelf behind you with the oil on it is nearing the maximum deflection point.
Supercharger is the way to go for our S2000's it's perfect for not completely changing up the feel of the car and keeping that S2000/f20 feel.
It would be interesting to see a go-cart cvt pulley used as a pulley for a centrifugal supercharger to cause it to be geared in a way that it builds more boost earlier.
The time has come for the supercharged Honda S2000 build to start!! That's wicked! Hey Chances are you won"t need any help with your build but if you ever did you should contact John from LTH Performance! All you Honda people reading this comment know who I am talking about..That guy has built some outstanding supercharged honda s2000.
Love the video as always.
One question though, what is the advantages of an air to water over an air to air intercooler? Could you not find a kit that included an air to air like most kits or make a custom one?
I checked the comments and your website but I couldn’t find it, where could I find that blue and white hoodie you’re wearing? I love it!
There are a couple variants on this setup that I've been curious to see, but haven't had the time in private life to chase.
First is using a geared turbine supercharger driven by a brushless DC motor. Motors, controllers, and high capacity lithium batteries have become much more widely available. This setup, as in F1, would allow boost to be called up as needed rather than as available. Second is a refrigeration circuit as an intercooler. There are a couple ways to regulate a system like that but I simply do not know enough about combustion dynamics to say whether it would be worth the effort.
Great video Jason, thanks man! 👍
Love your work!
Can you do a video on the Chevy Silverado's cylinder deactivation? How do they manage to get it to use just one cylinder? What about engine wear?
theres also the twincharging option that is the best way to get more poerformance out of the car, supercharger and turbocharger thats true use of all engineering in one tight space
ive been waiting for the vid where you say your saying your supercharging your s2000. congratulations and take your time. no rush. im bummed because i turned down an s2k because i wanted an s550 mustang for better straight line performance. I dony regret my purchase but just wish i could afford and s2k ap1 also.
Sometimes it’s nice to think about having way more power haha, the car itself isn’t all that quick. But it’s definitely fun!
Engineering Explained the main reaon i like the s2k is the redline but with the coyote ford sells the gt350 intake manifold and when swapped the coyote will make power all the way to 7500 and the limiter can be increased to 7900 rpm. cant wait to swap
Does the water pump, pump coolant through the intercooler?
Great video! Can you make a video comparing centrifugal and rotrex supercharger? or explain how rotrex supercharger works?
Hey Jason.👋 Well, you've done it now. I predict you'll see more pressure over this than your F20C ever will.😆 At any rate, have a great day.
When you were talking about the centrifugal compressor output curve you showed that is was a linear type curve. Isn't the output characteristics of positive displacement pumps like roots or screw type compressors to linearly increase their output as rpm rises but for centrifugal pumps, aka turbos and centrifugal superchargers outputs increase is proportional to the square of the change in rpm. Your graph doesn't really represent that. Also all this is assuming there is no waste-gating or bypassing going on.
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I think a centrifugal supercharger is a really good choice on a stock bottom end engine. They don't hit as hard at low rpm and build boost as rpms build. They also work better with the higher compression ratio you'd have a a stock motor. Because your not building boost at the low end, the parasitic loss, at low speed, isn't too bad. I think your going to love it especially on a long hard pull!
It's funny to read some of these comments. People seem to be biased toward PD blowers or turbos saying this or that is better. They all have their pros and cons but I think a Centri is a great choice for the reasons mentioned before, and ease of install as well.
I would love to see a video explaining the differences, pros/cons, and such between a V style engine and an inline style engine and where it makes sense to have one engine over the other. I don't know if that last question can really be answered 😂 but I would still love to see a video on that topic
Thank you. This helps me a lot.
And although low end power is similar to stock, it's going to sound awesome throughout.
Can you do a video of the performance of the Honda s2000 when first bought compared to now
Very nice!
Could you achieve more low-end torque by driving the compressor with a CVT to permit higher boost at lower RPMs? This could be controlled by the throttle to provide a higher ratio the further the throttle is depressed up to max boost. In theory, it seems like you could have max boost no matter what RPM you were at and only when you wanted it.
Put the kit on the s2k please
hi jason
i like your easy explanatory videos thanks for it
if you allow me to ask ...
what are the cons of using displacement compressor , why its always centrifugal compressor for example why don't we use compressors like those small ones for filling tires ??
Please talk about why you should or should not hit a rev limiter (will this damage the gears in supercharger???)
Thanks for the videos
Please install it soon!
I'm looking to get one of these vortech SC for my 3800 S1, eventually, for the internally stockish of the 3 3800 powered cars I got, probably not after I finish my current mild N/A car which will make similar to a SC one.
These SC go well with 3800 as they lift up the top end a lot but leave the very torquey low end alone and response down there remains as well.
Dam man why are you so smart! Your videos are always so cool!Also correct me if I am wrong; a centrifugal super charger builds boost gradually so most of the time you can use stock internals as it is not an immediate strain on the components. A normal turbo or roots style super charger puts alot of boost on top of the pistons which stresses everything out and this is why you won't necessarily need forged internals for normal boost.
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SativaSteve great thanks for all your information given
Great explanation thanks!
You mentioned the engine will not last as long as you are stressing it by modifications, will the engine need more maintenance or a complete rebuild?
Thanks for going really in depth, im playin forza and had no clue what a centrifugal supercharger was and thought it was a turbo and supercharger combined💀, now i just think of it as a turbo with gears that doesnt work as good lmaoo
Great video!