FFXIV Lore- Understanding Dalmasca
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2023
- FF14 certainly took a lot of inspiration from FF12 and Tactics for sure. And yet, the Dalmasca we have within our beloved MMO is very much different and its own thing. So why not learn what's the same and what's different within this video? Hopefully we can bridge them and find a reason to love FF12's story all over again!
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6.4 MSQ related.
“How dare you take our tower! It’s OURS. You’re basically taking OUR land and heritage!”
Every Bozjan, Doman, Ala Mhigan, and Dalmascan WoL: 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃
"But this is our people! Our heritage!" said Garlemald.
"lol," said Dalmasca. "lmao."
I can't really feel sorry for them. They didn't just conquered the nations, they destroyed entire kingdoms, torn families apart, destroyed their heritage.
@@fredy2041 honestly, yeah. That's the main reason I can understand garleans not wanting anyone to take control of it. To them, the tower was responsible for their lives turning into a living hell as everyone around them was tempered, enslaved, and horribly mutated. All while in the middle of a civil war, the tower would basically be a reminder of their worst nightmares. So letting other countries control it would be even more terrifying. Especially if they understand how justified other countries are in hating them. So they would be giving the tower that they see as responsible for the downfall of their way of life away to people who hate them and might want to use it to make them suffer.
My Dalmascan WOL tryin not to think about punching that guy out lmaoooo
My ala mhigan WoL took great pleasure in taking it back
I’m Basch Fon Ronsenburg of Dalmasca!
BASCH LIIIIVES!
That moment when Google thinks that ff12 character name is a different language lol but yet doesn't translate it into anything if you click to do so.
Was curious to know what it would say.
Don’t listen to Ondore’s lies!
i have the slight hope for dalmasca to become relevant in the next expansion. the newest update make me think that. Oh gods, pls let it happen
I'd love to see more of it too! But after what happened with the Bozjan Resistance story I'm not gonna hold my breath. =/
me too, I fucking love final fantasy 12
I need a Judge tank job.
I'd LOVE to see dalmasca somewhere
It feels like some sort of Ivalice expansion is coming, fingers crossed! The hints are stacking up.
Uncloud Ilsabard!
Yes! We must uncloud it!
Rabanastre is one of my favorites cities from rpgs and I hate that we are not getting more stories in ffxiv from Dalmasca
It's a really cool place. It's a shame to not take advantage of it.
The end of the Bozja storyline hinted at us returning to Dalmasca at some point. I was hoping it would be part of our Relic weapon grind for Endwalker, but, who knows, maybe next expansion?
I'd love some FF12/Tactics lore videos 💙
honestly really glad that bozja ties into the ivalice story, and also how close geographically bozja was to dalmasca. it makes me think of how much crossover the two nations had with their cultures.
You're just fascinating ! It's crazy to see every bits of details they put into the game, and yet that so few among us know about it. Thank you ! \ o /
Happy to be of service!
My bnnuy's backstory has him fighting with lentes tears. So this is amazing :D
I really love these videos on the history of other countries in ffxiv. I feel like so much of the game has focused on eorzia that i actually dont entirely understand a lot of the world outside of it. Which made it a bit confusing when i went through the ivalice raids because i didnt quite know where we were or what the timeline was. For some reason, up until now i thought the royal family from the ivalice raids died centuries ago and it was some sort of lost civilization. So a more detailed breakdown of the history of etheiris is very welcome.
True, there are even BIG things about the starter nations players don't know about because the MSQ is so laser focused on the Scions most the time. I'm always happy to illuminate the things that are glossed over. haha
Man, FF12 is my favorite ff game! I hope 14 dives back into Dalmasca again!
I've been looking for a video like this for a long while! I'm glad the algorithm blessed me this day! Now I can finally write my WoL's backstory. Cheers, good scribe!
I feel like at some point we'll run into Vahn doing the "Captain Basch" bit.
My favourite FF setting- Ivalice. Deep, complex lore that has laid the foundation for XIV which brought us all together. Thanks for the video!
Excellent video. I hope you are able to touch up on more of that area in Ffxiv in the future.
Just came home from my work shift and immediately clicked on your video when it popped on my timeline. I enjoyed learning about Dalmasca while eating my very late dinner. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the lore Scribe, I’m enjoying the hint of the twelfth game in Dalmasca.
Yes! Excellent video!
Whoa, wait, what? They made Rassler into Ashe's brother in 14?
Yuuuuuuup. And Basch is Noah's daddy!
@@SynodicScribe That's a heck of a switch - wonder why they decided to change the character relationship dynamics so much
@@M0ssP1glet Prolly to make abundantly clear that this Dalmasca is definitely not FF12's Dalmasca.
@@SynodicScribe A fact that killed a large bit of my joy for the raids/ story 😢
That and Frans interest in Auracite at one point.
Please do viera lore video :) Love your channel though, just discovered it earlier and have been binging. Love the art style too, props to Catti! edit: since we're on the topic of Dalmasca, I thought it was really weird that they made Ashe and Rasler twins in FFXIV history, but in XII they're married King and Queen lol. Regardless, all hail the Queen Lady Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca
Oh yeah they changed a lot of the lore. Basch is actually Noah's Dad in FFXIV as well. xD
Thanks for the history lesson on Dalmasca. One thing, though: Isn't the organization Fran is in called Lente's Tear?
When I started the alliance raid series for Stormblood, I was so excited. I loved Rabanastre in FFXII. That it exists on Eitherys....
Everytime we come across a ruined city, I hope we get to do what we did for Doma in a form of restoration.
This is one of the biggest, most interesting stories that I want more of in FFXIV. It would be a dream come true if the MSQ or the Relic quests bring us here someday.
Love the Dalmasca story lines in this game to the point I've been looking into possibly working on a having a character themed around it. Am sad that this storyline has not continued. Curious what the region is like with the other city that is to the south east, and what their relationship was with Radz-At-Han being so (relatively) close.
The fourth legion truly one of if not the most heartless of empire. While I want to spend more time in Bozja I hope to see more. Great vid.
Don't forget about the VIIth Legion because of the Weapons Project. They were also pretty awful.
@@StartouchArts Yeah I point to both why my main character doesn't like the three eyes.
One of the best shout outs to Final Fantasy XII, an underrated gem.
Ah finally, a lecture on Dalmasca! Wonderful lectures, as always. I read the wiki extensively about Dalmasca, having written up my WoL as a Dalmascan who left the city after being a target of the 14th Legion. I have also written him up as passing by Nagxia in an attempt to get to neutral Hingashi territory (I feel like the sea routes around Valnain would be controlled by Garlemald, so escaping through there is no go.)
But alas, I can’t Bozja to save my arse, so I can’t play the continuation of the Ivalice raids. O)-
There's a continuation of the ivalice raids through bozja?? I've barely done bozja so I never even knew.
Good god please give us more of Dalmasca. There's so much to plumb, I'm still waiting for the Vagrant Story references. I would love a Riskbreaker DPS job.
Whoa, that was first :D Love this video :)
I would LOVE a full story/lore drop of the bazja resistance story line. By the time i unlocked it not many ppl were playing it.
I have a feeling that if we ever get to meet Lady Ashe, we'll also meet Basch and I hope it leads to us tracking down Gabranth, since he was given those two ancient Bozjan weapons at the end of the Bozja Front story. So I highly doubt he's actually dead and instead chose to go into hiding for the time being by faking his own death and is plotting to use those two weapons for something.
Basch is Gabranth's dad in the FFXIV universe. So I'd be curious to see how that pans out.
*Happy Ivalician noises*
12:59 I'd say Regulus was my favorite Garlean... But I'd be Lyon.
If we did go to Dalmasca, there would totally be a Rabanastre reconstruction.
I am very late with this comment, but it's still very much plausible as the way Dalmasca / Bozja ended was intended from the start given interviews that happened after the fact, and we've seen now that Matsuno is still on good terms with the XIV team / they're still willing to pull in his plots thanks to this patch. I wouldn't give up on it, Dalmasca's been a huge lore staple and even has numerous references as of Endwalker, I don't think they're gonna forget about it so easily.
There are plenty of links and articles out there that show some of Matsuno's tweets were misconstrued, so I wouldn't give up hope on seeing Dalmasca brought into the light soon.
Another great video as always professor. Although I do need to ask, I always found it to be extremely Strange just how similar Dalmsaca is to the ancient kingdom of ivalece. It’s got me thinking is it possible that Dalmasca simply grew out of the now defunct nation? Granted we don’t know when ivelice fell, but from what I’ve gathered Dalmsaca is extremely old. Mayhap even older than places such as ra-za-han. My point is what do you think of this theory? The similarities in their architecture and probability the most fascinating link is the mention of a goddess of light in religious text from both nations. So what do you think? Do think it simply replaced the old nation or do you think it’s possible that ancient people of Dalmasca simply found the ruins of old and decided to model their kingdom after them?
all of this othardian history has me wondering, how much do we know about Nagxia? i may do my own research soon.
It got razed by a Garlean legion to the point that said legion was cut off from Garlemald. _It was so horrific Emperor Solus disbanded that legion._
This is why we need to continue the Dalmasca related plotlines. The lore is super underrated even in the wake of SHB.
This is where I come in with a touch of negativity. It saddens me that whatever the "real" ending was for the bozjan questline never made it in, or so I am told. Or perhaps maybe I'm missing something, all i got the was the final argument between the 2 remaining commanders after the 2nd raid's fall and well... that was it. I've read about the part he mentioned in the video but man I would of loved to see something more tangible in game (maybe it's there and I haven't seen it yet).
Yeah all we got to wrap up the Bozja lore was those rushed field notes. I mean, we at least know what happened to the Legion, Ashelia, Noah, etc. But like you, I really wish we got to see it all pan out in game instead of field notes....
My theory is they will come up with that topic eventually, and left it open on purpose. Because even if they were in a rush etc, the whole ending still felt way too unfinished. I surely hope it isnt.
After 6.4 Is Dalmasca a option for 7.0 ? That was a real good Video Thank you
I mean, I would never say never. But I personally find it unlikely. Although I'd be happy if we got to see a revived Dalmasca at some point. haha
6.4 spoilers:
I still hold out hope for Dalmasca stuff showing up eventually. Really, it has had too many mentions in-game for it to not be a place we go to someday. Now, we have our boy Erenville getting an entire scene just to tell us that he is visiting his homeland. Surely, that is a hint of some kind. His people originate from near there, yes?
I am captain basch!!
Forever mourning the playable Bangaa that never will be.
Do you think Dalmasca will ever be brought up again in the game in the future? Or at the very least have any ties to any plot lines? Considering recent events from long ago that have ties to current stuff.
Yes cause of the recent throwbacks to ultima the high seraph
Prolly not since the nature of FF12/Tactics lore being in FF14 was under the supervision of the original creator. They'd likely have to bring him back to expand on that part of the world anymore than they have. But as always, I'd love to see more regardless. haha
I think they probably will. I don't think next expansion; Emet dropping Mericidia feels like it might be too tantalizing to resist.
I guess it is possible since maybe that won't be next expansion but the one after that. We'll see when they make the announcement.
@@aerieleah533 Doesn’t have to be MSQ, but could be adjacent in other content.
The whole continent of Former Garlemald/Ilsabard has huge potential for an expansion revolving around FF12/Tactics/Vagrant Story. Or atleast more content involving these games, like Bozja etc.
Man, I wish we could have had the rest of the story they scrapped
There was a scrapped story? I quit FFXIV around when stormblood came out and didn't pick it back up till endwalker was announced, so I missed all the discussions about developments around that time.
Yeah. The Relic Weapon quest in Shadowbringers that dealt with Bozja, The Dalmascan Resistance and the 4th Emperial Legion. But it was only ever half finished as production was cut by Covid, making the final story rushed out the door without much fanfare.
I really hope they might bring that back in some way eventually. At least give us a better look into everything that's happened in the meantime, because so far as I know they only just have the end of the storyline on their website. The game itself just has a cliffhanger that just won't ever develop
I'm just catching up on lore as I cant actively play. Though, are the FF worlds linked in like some kind of multiverse or us it all "one world"?
So sir scribe, in your opinion, os this Ivalice mesnt to be the same one as ff12 and tactics with retcons to fit it into ff14 continuity? Or is this just a lovely homage?
It's just a lovely homage. Not only are there many missing places from the FF12/Tactics games but many of the characters aren't the same as they were either.
@@SynodicScribe ya like ashe being that's dudes sister instead of his wife lol. Interesting how ivalice is an homage but the nier raids are actually canon
@@dustinhatfield8373 I use the term "canon" loosely with Nier. That entire franchise is one big fever dream. lmao
@@SynodicScribe ha ha you're not wrong. Speaking of other games being canon, i was always under the impression ff11 was a shard of 14 now. But i recently saw a mr happy video where he said that was debunked. Is that so? Because i thought that whole event with Iroha we get sometimes was specifically proving that it was. I look forward to possibly exploring more shards in the future
Yoshi P: I am making FF12 canon and better still i am getting rid on Vaan
Rabanastre is a peaceful place...except for that one urchin who keeps on yelling that he's a captain or something.
Actually Scribe, do you know that when Midgardsormr seals the WoL’s Blessing of Light, why does Hydelyn allow it?
She didn't exactly have the strength to say no or interfere at that point in the story. Also, Midgardsormr was ultimately trying to act in her service.
Essentially saying. "You blessed this one? Well, instead of letting you waste your power I would have them prove their worth."
Midgardsormr and Hydaelyn maintained a unique relationship ever since he arrived. The nature of their original agreement isn't entirely known.
@@SynodicScribe Thank you for taking the time to answer. I know the question came totally out of the blue but the question has bothered me for awhile and I’ve found no satisfactory answer during my hunt for an answer. I figured if there was anyone who might be able to answer it would be you.
I think I heard somewhere that when he came to Hydelyn he was permitted to stay and have his kids if he guarded Silvertear Lake. Either way I still think it was a bit of a dick move. It royally screwed over Moenbryda. Maybe if he’s protecting the WoL in her stead he should have stepped in against the Ascians since he stripped the WoL of their only real defence against them. And again in the Sea of Clouds when the key to Azys La was stolen literally from the WoL’s hand.
I’m not saying he should have stepped in every time the WoL was threatened, but after removing the ability to be protected against the Ascians I can’t help but feel like he could have been a little more proactive.
Oh, I should add that I’m not in possession of all the lore and stories yet. I’m only, I think, near the end of Stormblood. I recently got access to the Lochs area next to Ala Mhigo. On a tangent note, I’m fascinated by all the ruined architecture and monuments in the Peaks and will have to research the area. That boat is really something.
6.0 spoilers*
Yeaaaaa, this is what what kinda bugs me about the continuing Garlemald story. Like, I get it. They got what was coming to them, with Garlemald being almost totally wiped out by civil war and the events of Endwalker. So, you could say justice has been met.
However, these (npc) clowns that continue to defend Garlean territory, property, and autonomy all on the back of Garlean PRIDE - just rub me the wrong way. I know that you have to let go of hate to move forward into a peaceful future but damn - letting go of your stained pride is just as important.
You're not wrong. The "Garlean Pride" they speak of has put many lives to the sword. But to suddenly change their ways would mean accepting that their conquest of the world was entire unjustified. That realization is something their pride won't let happen. At least, not without tremendous reason.
@@SynodicScribe They are also very antagonistic to everything but themselves, it's not so much pride but at their core they are very scared of the outside world and other races due to their history of being forced out of their home country and no way of defense being born without magic and indoctrination makes this worse, then they get this sense of belonging via pride (the bond they share eachother), but it is build on fear. All in all it will probably take tremendous efforts and time to rebuild Garlemald into a stable form again. Every other nation we would be done with in the patch cycle story, but Garlemald is still far from finished. Curious what they plan to do with it.
That's... odd, having Ashe and Rasler be twins
Right? They changed around quite a lot of relationships for the "adaptation" of FF12. haha
Waaait is this an alt timeline where ashelia and rassler were siblings and not married? Or is FF12 rocking an incest vibe I never picked up on
It's a completely different timeline/Dalmasca.