Thanks for this video. Would you clarify what you said at 4:03 regarding obstruction? you state that. models within the terrain feature can shoot out but not be targeted back. Page 85 of the 2020 Chapter approved says that models on or within a terrain feature with obscuring “Can see and be seen normally”. I don’t see where in the rules models in an area terrain feature with obscuring can’t be seen and targeted by another unit. Thanks for your help.
Oh yes !! Models on or within a terrain piece that is obscuring can be targeted normally! Missed that change, thanks for spotting so others will know that detail too, cheers
Great video! I see you're going full Hulk Hogan for November. Awesome. :D I never remember to use terrain to my advantage. The game has too many rules already without them. :D
For ruins I wouldn't advocate using the base as its footprint. Since it allows cagey people to get cover from the ruins, despite the model not actually being in the ruin. Eg- Unit gets "cover" despite the ruin not being between the target and the shooting unit.
@@SimplyWarhammer The outline of the ruins itself. It stops people "getting cover" from ruins whilst not being in the ruins. Edit: At least that was how we played it back in 3rd to 7th edition
Do you mean for an L shaped ruin you have to be touching it but standing within it doesn't count ? Not played any earlier than 8th so don't know previous terrain rules tbh terrain rules are complicated so house rules will be played the majority of the time 😁
@@SimplyWarhammer Yeah the rulebook itself says you have to agree with your opponent about what you'd do for terrain. So technically you can do whatever, play a game as a city-scape where everything is in cover, whatever. What I mean is for an L-shaped ruin the footprint would be the triangle within the confines of the ruin itself. If you go by the base it allows people to sit next to the ruin (on the base) and still count as being "within" the ruins. To me that doesnt make much sense since the unit would get cover despite enemy units not having any cover within its LOS. For two L shaped ruins you'd have it make a box within the two L shaped ruins and the footprint would be that box, including any gap between the two pieces (assume there is ruin debris between the two L shapes).
@@SimplyWarhammer There is an article by Goonhammer for 9th terrain and what I said is what they suggest also. Then again I've seen some battle reports on here where simply touching the base of the ruin counted as being "within" it ;)
neat stuffff all but that one you shoot in to but not out just not wrigtt me i re do as - a -2 cover save and you shoot thew both sides if can go thew one shud go thew both just do not get that yes its a game but think will the wall stop a shot if thare a hole thare in fist place ? bit dim i see my think on it as post will see ( BAD think show you shoot both whay by doing in real life see as you post
@@SimplyWarhammer I know this is late but he's talking about the unit that pushed up to the ruin wall and could shoot out but the opponent couldnt retrun fire is what you said, is this correct? 4:00 minute mark
@@SimplyWarhammer Thanks for clearing that up, my last question is something we argue about alot. If you're behind a pipe and receiving light cover and someone drops in behind you are you still in light cover? even though the pipe is not between your troops and the attackers.
Holy moly this saved me so many headaches, thank you!
Thanks very much for commenting 😊
THANK YOU! This video is exactly what I needed. Very concise, love it.
Brilliant, thanks for watching and commenting 😊😁
Thanks for this video. Would you clarify what you said at 4:03 regarding obstruction? you state that. models within the terrain feature can shoot out but not be targeted back. Page 85 of the 2020 Chapter approved says that models on or within a terrain feature with obscuring “Can see and be seen normally”. I don’t see where in the rules models in an area terrain feature with obscuring can’t be seen and targeted by another unit. Thanks for your help.
Oh yes !! Models on or within a terrain piece that is obscuring can be targeted normally! Missed that change, thanks for spotting so others will know that detail too, cheers
So if in obsurcing if you can't actually see me you can't shoot me? Basically the solid walls
woooow that is the most concise and helpful cover vid I’ve seen yet!
Brill glad your liked 😁😁
Great video! Quick and easy to understand and follow!!
Brilliant, thanks for saying 😁 are there any other ideas you would like to see in the series ??
Excellent video as always. Very clear and thorough and happy movember!
Thanks very much 😊👨
Fantastic video. Super helpful. Thank you.
Ace glad it helped 😁
Great info! What is that monster at 4:40? I may have found a new “scariest tyranid”!
Haha that's a 3D print of an alien from the film Aliens, aka zenomorph.. I use it as a dimachaeron 😁
cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/alien-king
Great video! I see you're going full Hulk Hogan for November. Awesome. :D I never remember to use terrain to my advantage. The game has too many rules already without them. :D
Too right! I always forget to use them except line of sight blocking but often use true line of sight too getting down at board level to look 😅
For ruins I wouldn't advocate using the base as its footprint. Since it allows cagey people to get cover from the ruins, despite the model not actually being in the ruin.
Eg- Unit gets "cover" despite the ruin not being between the target and the shooting unit.
What would you suggest is best to understand a ruins footprint?
@@SimplyWarhammer The outline of the ruins itself. It stops people "getting cover" from ruins whilst not being in the ruins.
Edit: At least that was how we played it back in 3rd to 7th edition
Do you mean for an L shaped ruin you have to be touching it but standing within it doesn't count ? Not played any earlier than 8th so don't know previous terrain rules
tbh terrain rules are complicated so house rules will be played the majority of the time 😁
@@SimplyWarhammer Yeah the rulebook itself says you have to agree with your opponent about what you'd do for terrain. So technically you can do whatever, play a game as a city-scape where everything is in cover, whatever.
What I mean is for an L-shaped ruin the footprint would be the triangle within the confines of the ruin itself. If you go by the base it allows people to sit next to the ruin (on the base) and still count as being "within" the ruins. To me that doesnt make much sense since the unit would get cover despite enemy units not having any cover within its LOS.
For two L shaped ruins you'd have it make a box within the two L shaped ruins and the footprint would be that box, including any gap between the two pieces (assume there is ruin debris between the two L shapes).
@@SimplyWarhammer There is an article by Goonhammer for 9th terrain and what I said is what they suggest also.
Then again I've seen some battle reports on here where simply touching the base of the ruin counted as being "within" it ;)
Great video
Thanks very much 😁
So good
Thanks very much 😊😁
Haha nice tash!! 🤣
Tbh I've never used hold steady or set to defend 🙈
Thanks I had a head start growing before Novemeber 😄
Yer I forget that all the time, watching Winters SEO though he always uses them to his advantage!
@@SimplyWarhammer I've spotted that too, I think he sets them up so he always camps on them lol
That's cheating btw 😆
We've found his secret 😃
neat stuffff all but that one you shoot in to but not out just not wrigtt me i re do as - a -2 cover save and you shoot thew both sides if can go thew one shud go thew both just do not get that yes its a game but think will the wall stop a shot if thare a hole thare in fist place ? bit dim i see my think on it as post will see ( BAD think show you shoot both whay by doing in real life see as you post
Sorry which bit do you think is incorrect? I'd like to make a correction through comments if one is needed 🙂 cheers
Godzilla had a stroke trying to read that
@@SimplyWarhammer I know this is late but he's talking about the unit that pushed up to the ruin wall and could shoot out but the opponent couldnt retrun fire is what you said, is this correct? 4:00 minute mark
@@flatspot2050 yes this was faq'd and if you are in ruins then you can shoot out and can also be shot at. That was a mistake in the video. Cheers
@@SimplyWarhammer Thanks for clearing that up, my last question is something we argue about alot. If you're behind a pipe and receiving light cover and someone drops in behind you are you still in light cover? even though the pipe is not between your troops and the attackers.
That beard!!
Haha thank you, anything to say about the lovely video also 😆