CANON's 2 WORST LENS IDEAS EVER? RF 800mm / 600mm F11 REVIEW
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When Canon announced the RF 600mm and RF 800mm F11 lenses, I didn't think it could be real. How the heck could I take photos at F11 and realistically get anything good. Well, I might have been wrong to make assumptions before actually using the lenses. They get the job done, are they the best ever, no, but they are affordable and they work.
My word of warning is you better understand the exposure triangle and what happens when you're taking photos at f11.
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Did anyone expect these lenses to SUCK super hard like I did?
yeh
any free used camera :/
Why? I think most of the people complaining thought about their DSLR not AF at high F, or only focusing on a single point in the middle, but seems nobody has thought about the mirrorless AF being able to do magic on almost full frame coverage, not only the center. I'm using shitty EF lenses with the EF Extender 2x III, at 32F and they still work amazingly on the R, I cannot imagine a RF new lens with a brand new R camera would look bad at all.
Yea I kinda did... I just ordered a sigma 150-600 contemporary, I'm waiting for it to be delivered. I still have my EOS 77d aps-c so I figured I could use that for even more reach, and use it with an adapter on my EOS R. How does the image quality compare between the Sigma zoom and Canon lenses? Did I make a mistake?
i agree on liking the 800 better, i think it would be a great affordable lens addition.
Man, you do not need this idiotic clickbait title, you already a successful TH-camr.
Is it a clickbait? They are unusefully difficult to shoot with. F11 (WHY) so super-duper ISO or long exposures (that cannot be used with a fast subject).
I really dont like this dude i mean im not hating on him or anything i just simply dont like him but this clickbait titles always get me to watch his videos ugh
B Roli yeah but he has to make money right?
B Roli why would he be ripping off people? If he thinks they are worth the money he listed them for, then they are worth that. If you dont think they are worth the money just dont buy them then. Its easy.
@@rokjazbec9804 I bought it (Stupid as I am) and you could find same tips and tricks on TH-cam... For free. I learned more from TH-cam. On the other hand I could see it be helpfull for somebody but if you're not happy you will get you money back as I did. So I wouldn't call it a scam really.
Haha, love how all the "experts" on forums declared these lenses useless before even seeing some results.
blackcoffee absolutely useless for any serious armature to pro. If you are a casual shooter that just wants some snapshots... perfect. Probably shoulda just made it a zoom. 400-800 f8-f11
@@Jessehermansonphotography I'm an amateur that does around 6 or 7 hours photographing birds a week. I just ordered an 800. These lenses will be great for filming wildlife as you use a slower shutter when filming. Also, the focus on these will be better than adapted EF lenses.
Hugh Sweeney excellent point Hugh. That is a huge benefit to these lenses I had not thought about
Hugh Sweeney its no different filming or photo, u usually want more dof control hence f/4 with ND is always prefered
@@laeicawezlar4417 not really at 800mm. I film wildlife all the time. Yes, of course a wider aperture is nice but an f4 800mm lens will cost you 20 grand. I'm discussing shooting with low iso not really talking about dof here.
Jared : your content is amazing at talking about real world situations, with the camera settings you’re likely to encounter, AND then results you would get. In other words, you teach WHILE you review. You’re showing us all the WHY things are important factors to consider. Great work! Thank you for making files available too! 👏👏👏
I bought an 800, and use it on an R. Works great and focuses well. I have a sigma 150-600, but the 800 is so light and compact. I love it so far.
Does it produce better results as it's a prime?
@@vaibhavpisal I would say, there is a slight improvement in IQ and it does focus faster, and it is a lot lighter (same size though), I attribute those to it being a prime (less glass to move around)and being newer tech. but the difference is so negligible. Sigma did a really good job with that 150-600, it has never failed me. If I had to choose only 1, I would take the 150-600, but having both gives a great long range, but you cant beat 600@6.3.
@@rjgmedia6298 How good is Animal Eye AF tracking on the 150-600? I assume this is an EF adapted to RF, right?
I would laugh at you if I saw you with that lens.
frostybe3r well then your an idiot who doesn’t know anything about photography.
I've lugged an EF600 f/4.0L IS on a Gitzo and Wimberly for several years, and an ED800mm f/5.6 Nikkor before that.
There are some pretty severe restrictions coming from the lack of mobility such behemoths impose.
My 800 arrives on Friday and I am looking forward to it.
I am not so naive as to expect it can do everything the big lenses can do as the laws of optics preclude that.
But I expect a lot of fun with this lens. I won't be too quick to get a 1.4x or 2x onto it though. That just seems "a bridge too far" for an already glacially slow lens.
It should do well for stationary wildlife. But as soon there is movement involved, especially fast movement, than you might be in trouble with the new 800/f11.
Did you notice ISO1600 though in the bright midday sun? Besides the background blur issue, which can be solved sometimes, I’m most concerned with the light gathering or non gathering and slow AF. I admit like Jared the 800mm is great for beginners or someone into birding that’s not into photography as much. There are practical uses for this, one is Astro, like moon pictures, etc. However I think Canon really needs a lens similar to the Nikon 500mm f5.6 PF, which with 1.4x tc is a 700mm f8, that’s very useable in more scenarios. Plus the AF is so much faster on the 500PF, granted it’s much more expensive though. If this 800mm f11 was more expensive than we could all laugh and make fun of it, but honestly for the money it’s pretty awesome, if it’s for you or for your use case you have in mind!
@@peterebel7899 Not sure. But I guess panning with a such a long tele is difficult and warrants a great deal of experience, and thus, probably not in the league for customers who this lens are intended for.
You will find that small and lightweight 800mm will have a definite place in your lens harem.
For me, this is what I thought mirrorless was about when it started to make itself known: compact gear with greatly reduced weight. Nice to see an OEM full frame camera company leading the way.
They’re compact because they’re F11, not because theyre RF
@@lukegardiner6926 F11 lenses are not really possible with DSLR's because they need a wider aperture to find focus. The ability to make F11 lenses is not an RF exclusive, but a mirrorless exclusive.
@@lukegardiner6926 They were designed to be used with their mirrorless cameras not their DSLR line. F 11 allows the lens to be smaller, lighter, and cheaper than any telephoto they have designed for DSLRs. Perfect for their new cameras!
Then you thought wrong. Mirrorless has a lot of advantages. Making it smaller was not the main idea
@@shaolin95 I love how people communicate so aggressively online. 'You thought wrong!' 🤣 Thanks for your positive vibes! If you look at what people said about mirrorless then and say about it now you will find a lot of people saying they love the lighter weight of their mirrorless gear. Many choose mirrorless for this very reason. At least I am not alone in being wrong!
This is the review I needed! A field work of the lenses! I’m an amateur with a new RP and a 35mm who is gonna make a safari (if COVID let us...). I looked for a telephoto and before buying the rp, the idea to reach a lion in a safari was economically impossible. But with the rf mount and these lenses, it is absolutely possible. I’m not a pro, so I only want conserve memories of my travel! Not wining a contest! Thanks Jared!! Love your reviews sight!
Damn brother! That 800 mm lens shot of the flamingos creating a heart shape was a great capture! Btw, you absolutely rock for sharing raw files! They so help as i learn from you and enter into learning some editing!
"I'm not a birder" - Jared Polin, 2020
I want to become a wildlife biologist just so I can discover a new bird species and name it the spotted dicklilly
Bird up!
Give him a few years lol
Quarantine does a lot to you
biggen
As always, another great video. However, there is one correction I would like to offer. When shooting long in astrophotography using a tripod and remote shutter release, it is best to turn OFF image stabilization. Often the "stabilization" will INTRODUCE camera shake into the photo.
I'm happy you used a clip of the Fstoppers guy saying "did you kill a cheetah?"
Jared: your videos are awesome. I picked my first camera about 8 years ago because of your channel, and HERE I STILL AM learning from you. I hope we get to connect one day and talk about cameras!
10:20 "gorilla up in the little tree fort that they just built."
Gorilla has decent metalwork skills.
I have the 800 5.6L, and it has surprised me how useful that lens is. But I will remember the pain of paying for it until I die. These small lenses are interesting because they are easy to transport, plus people might not ask for a permit to use it. But f5.6 is already slow. Wildlife is often in the dim forest, and news often happens at night. F11 is simply too slow for anything except bright sunlight. Saving a truckload of money is brilliant, but if there is not enough light to get the photos or video, even a low price is too much.
I think you would be shocked by the image quality of these lenses. I have used the third party 150-600 lenses and I would say the image quality is preferable. Not as good as the 400 f5.6 but IS makes it close. For birding with the R5 you can get a good result.
@@ThreeCeeProductions I got sick of waiting for Canon to introduce a mirrorless camera, and sold my 800 5.6, and my 400 2.8, and bought into MFT. I did keep the EF 180 3.5 Macro which works great on a speedbooster and for bright light, I am very pleased with the Olympus 100-400.
We are very fortunate that the mirrorless revolution has lead to the development of fabulous lenses from most manufacturers.
Great review! The explanation using the exposure triangle really helped in understanding the context and setting the expectations! Having already owned a 100-400 Canon Lens and after buying the Canon EOS R6 recently, I am thinking of going for the 800 mm RF lens.
Hi Jared, very entertaining review as always. I think for most Canon bird/wildlife photographers - the key comparison - and one I would certainly be interested in is between the 600 or 800 f11 + Eos R5 - and the Canon 100-400 II (with / without 1.4 extender III) and the 5D IV. This is nearer to the weight and cost of the new Eos R combo and what I take out for hikes when I can't face carrying my 600 F4 II. Any purchasing decision for me at least will be based on seeing wildlife / bird photographers doing this comparison - for perched and in flight birds. Keep up the good work!
these lenses seems like the perfect pair for surfing or kitesurfing, usually done in bright sunlight and far enough to warrant an 600 or 800mm lens with teleconverter
Except you’d want faster shutter speeds for those things.
@@hautehussey well bright light day you might be able to hit 1/1000 without bumping the iso to the moon
Doesn’t sound like a booming market tho...
Surf photographer here, maybe during overcast days it'll be less that ideal, but usually shooting at f/5.6-f/8 at ISO 200 and well over 1/3200 of a sec on sunny days, f11 won't be that much of a problem
@@felipegalvezengels what do you recon of the 800mm for that purpose
Jared something for future consideration for these lenses as there is a huge *gotcha* lurking at super long focal lengths. You don't usually shoot wildlife so it's probably not something you've run into. In the zoo - this is not going to be an issue. If you're actually photographing wildlife for real, in the field - especially wildlife that wants nothing to do with humans - then it becomes a huge issue: *Atmospheric distortion* aka *Heat Haze* Shooting at f/11 you need gobs of sunlight to make it work. Gobs of sunlight hanging off the end of 800+mm or 1600mm means absolutely monstrous amounts of heat haze happening in your images, especially their backgrounds if you're shooting out over wide open spaces. I have so many *amazing* shots that have subjects in sharp focus and filling the frame (relatively close actually), but they have absolutely *hideous* backgrounds. It's like those backgrounds are covered in a layer of Vaseline they're so bad. If your subject is 30 meters away and nicely filling your frame at 800+mm but your background is hundreds of meters or even miles away... you're gonna have a bad day at f/11. This combination of relatively close subject and super distant background happens more often than you might realize - especially shore mammals and birds, or raptors hunting over large fields or lakes. The subject is very close but the background is literally miles away -- and so warped in your frame as to make your foreground subject pointless.
But the same applies to those expensive f/4 and f/5.6 lenses.
@@serioussam909 No, not really - since you don't need anywhere near as much light you can shoot golden hour, winter, overcast etc and still have acceptable shutter speeds and ISOs. More importantly at the wider apertures the backgrounds blow out much more thoroughly. The problem with f/11 is they don't really do that.
@@serioussam909 Follow up - representative sample of the problem. 840mm (600 + 1.4x TC) at f/11 -- mid summer. I had been shooting all morning and it steadily warmed up to the point that things like this started happening... i.imgur.com/eVFyj2l.jpg
Having f11 can be a plus. Since you’re usually far away on small birds having more depth of field will help assure bird focus and give a more realistic fade from sharp to blurred in a 3D appearance. I have canon primes and the new RF and all have their place. Cost vs function winner!
Question: with 600mm F11 on a full frame R6, What would make that any better than my 1 inch Rx10's 600mm F4?
F4 on 1 inch is basically F11 Bokeh with F4 light reception
Great review. Those images are tack sharp! Thank you Jared.
I bought this lens (the 800mm). Its actually a really good lens. F11 is f11, but I can handhold a 1/160 second handheld with an EOS R (no IBIS). The lens stabilization is amazing, and I bet with the R5 or R6 IBIS, you could handhold some amazing shots (asuming your subject doesn't move).
I agree it works great for stationary subjects but your last remark is very important! I was photographing ducks swimming yesterday at around 1/400, and the stabilization appeared to be introducing motion blur. Perhaps I need to get used to how to pan this lens (it's about 40% lighter than my Tamron 150-600 G2 despite being similarly-sized) but it doesn't look like there's panning detection built in to the stabilization (or you have to pan fast enough for it to work).
The FF 800 f/11 lens is equivalent to an MFT 400mm f/5.6... which any MFT shooter will tell you does produce decent bokeh, and with good IBIS and a lower shutter speed can produce good results. Note that since the FF lens is 2 stops slower than the MFT, the light (photons) captured is the same for both despite the 4x larger FF area, and you will need 2x higher ISO for the FF so same noise for both.
Canon knows that most users are coming from APS-C and that the higher ISO and AF ability offset the dim lens, and terms of depth of field, you're getting about the same as an f8 lens mounted on an APS-C body.
I think we should also consider that these are made for the R series cameras which have amazing ISO performance. Yes, traditionally we don't want to increase the ISO in yesteryears, but the improvements in ISO performance has made it possible to push it up at these F numbers and still not have it negatively affect the image.
I’ve got the RP and the R10, up from the 6D and SL3. The ISO seems a little better but I still don’t like the noise over 1000 ISO and if I need to lift shadows anything over 600 gets pretty noisy. I’m doing okay with the 100-400 but that’s f8. I’m curious about these lenses but don’t think I’d ever bite the bullet at f11. I see some people getting awesome images though. I mean people put doubles on f7.1 so…
Hey Jared,
When are your full review of the R5 comming out? It's highly anticipated :)
I like the review. I own both and they are great for birding. You wouldn’t expect the $13.000.00 EF600 f4 image quality at this price. Especially good for waterfowl where usually can’t get too close. It’s getting harder to sell bird pix so the quality is good enough to capture your bird list for the day.
Good review - I think you are spot on. Having recently spent two weeks in an African game park with the Nikon 200-500 f5.6 and a 1.4TC most shots are at 700mm but motion blur is a problem because you need to be 1/1200 or faster most of the time - unless the animals are sleeping during midday heat - and then you have to deal with heat haze. That becomes a challenge in early morning late afternoon when there is more activity so iso will be way up.
I now have the 500PF 5.6 which is sharper across the frame, seems to suffer very little degradation with the 1.4TC and appears to let a bit more light in - sadly no chance of getting back to Africa any time soon it seems.
Having said that you absolutely must have a long lens at a game park if you want to come away with any decent memories. The big action is almost aways a long way off, and small action (snakes, birds, meerkat) can be quite close but to fill the frame you still need at least 400mm.
So while the 200-500 gives a bit more flexibility I would rather have tack sharp images across the frame that you get from a prime. So my setup for travelling is D850 with the 500PF + TC1.4 and Z6 with a 70-200 f2.8 + TC2 for when things are closer or when you need a wider frame and for video. I can just get all that in hand luggage if batteries, chargers etc go in check-in luggage.
One other consideration, which is a bit of a show stopper on mirrorless is blackout when shooting action. I find it’s almost impossible to shoot action where following the subject is required without losing the subject because of viewfinder blackout/lag on the Z6. Don’t know if that’s also a problem with Canon and Sony mirrorless. Can’t see these lenses being useful for tracking moving subjects though - shutter speed will need to be 1/2000 or higher and at f11 I think iso will be too high to get good quality images.
Personally I would think the Sigma or Tamron 200-600 f5.6 or f6.3 might be a better option. In the Nikon world the 200-500 or the 500PF but that’s becoming pricy too.
As a wildlife photographer, I can absolutely tell it’s at F11 or at least I can see the separation is not all that great. It is good separation for who it is aimed at.
Great stuff as always Jared ! I've just ordered the canon r6 800 f11 lens and ext 1,4 for those brighter days and wildlife but probably mostly without using the ext 1,4 !
Have a nice weekend !
Holy shit! Those are freaky ultra mega sharp pictures and for that ISO it is almost noise free. I am so getting the R5 and maybe even the 800, it will be great for my "steel birds" photography on air shows. Great review as always Jared, thanks. Btw, those flamingos and eagle details are amazing, excellent shot.
I think you would have a hard time finding airplanes with an 800mm lens and keeping them in frame. I shoot a 150-600mm Sigma Sport and I miss some shots at 600 because the tail is cut off or too high or low in the frame. Most of my shots are in the 300-500 mm range but having the 600 available with the twist of the lens is good for planes far away. You also run into the problem of it is too close to get the whole plane in the picture. A fighter will be fine but when the C-5 lands you will just get pictures of the front of the cockpit area. I carry two bodies one with an 18-400 mm and another with 150-600mm. The 18-400 is good for ground shots or planes taxing and the 150 - 600 mm is great for flying shots. I think the new 100-500 RF lens for $2600 might be a good airshow lens. It is a lot of money but 100-400 mm II EF lens is around $2000 for old technology.
Keith good point! It might be a but too much, I completely agree. I was shooting with 70-200 until now and most of the shots are fine, maybe with some small crop. I just remembered how guy standing next to me with 150-600 could get much better framing and I got carried away by Jared’s review, because I didn’t expect it to be so good. Steel birds are in fact too big :) but it still seems to be a great lens if used properly.
These pictures have no color....f11 is too dark
Jared: They just came out!
Steven: Kinda like you!
He does that often. I always kind of knew :D
Just purchased the 600mm I’m in the Bahamas so it’s always sunny!
Nobody complains about 400mm F5.6 if it's Micro four thirds lens for their Olympus, they'll only heap praise.
There's no Olympus 400mm f5.6, the new zoom is 6.3 at 400mm and i have no interest as they didn't incorporate sync IS. (even if they did the Panasonic 100-400 looks sharper at 400mm according to ephotozine test) The 300mm f4 pro with 1.4x tc will give 420mm f5.6. Many reviewers have trashed m43 for their lack of ability to isolate subjects like a full frame system can with 600mm f4 or 800mm f5.6. but now canon comes out with f11 lenses that will give the same equivalency and its awesome.
Those are some amazing shots to me! As you said, just have to be aware of what you're doing. I don't do enough long-distance shooting to where I'd use them personally, but they'd be fun to try for ranged subjects.
The camera focused on the baby flamingo's eye - wow even though it was small in the frame!
Jared needs to make a t shirt with " its not the best T-shirt since sliced bread" with sliced bread on it.
I was very skeptical about the 800mm f11, but it turned out I really like it. It is not perfect, but it is inexpensive, compact, lightweight, and has quite good image quality. It is a big change from my 300-800mm f5.6 "Sigzilla" which is massively heavy and needs a heavy tripod and heavy gimbal to use. And the Sigzilla is never gets to go on a plane with me.
Great review!! You sold me...I had tried the 600 MM on foxes in the wild...and I like to give them space. My pictures I think are quite excellent on a sunny day and based on your review I will be purchasing the 600! I was a little nervous when I read your title because it sounded negative but the review summarized my thoughts and clarified usage. Thanks again Jared for your amazing explanations and reviews.
Jared, I believe they're called Birdenators.
Nope. Wrong again my fine student. They are called “Bographirdologists”.
Killer surfing lens! As long as it is on a good bright day.
I want these. Thanks Fro!
Thank you for a very helpful and educational video, delivered in a very entertaining manner :)
I kept my rp at 1000 shutter with my 600 f11 and everything looks soooo good
af area become smaller like on the new R5/R6 or you get the same 100/88% af area coverage?
thats cool. can u do a test for me please? can u test an see if the new rf extenders and the rf to ef adaptor can work together. wanna see if its worth getting to extend the range of my sigma ef 150to 600mm lens. dont wanna lose that zoom feature with the rf600 an 800 lenses?
@@fromthesidelines1453 Or RF to EF Adapter and the use the Sigma EF 2x teleconverter with the 150-600 so the teleconverter and lens are from the same system. I haven't tried this myself.
@@brendanfarthing just wanted to know if it can be used with the adaptor. everyone cant give me a straight yes or no and that they have tried it. not looking to buy anymore ef products. guess ill have 2 wait for sigma an tamron to come out with there new rf zoom telephoto.
It looks good because you can't afford anything better.
"Enbiggen" is my new favorite word lol
It’s a perfectly cromulent word.
@@rpgroome One of my favourite episodes of The Simpson's.
Jared - Thx for the great video
800mm on a R5 or R6 for bald eagles, osprey, large game, Air Shows, ....... seems perfect
Detailed and informative. Thanks
1:26 "...it’s a perfectly cromulent word."
Not that it would ever happen, but I would be super interested in the E-m1 mkii/iii and 300 F4 pro vs an R6 and 600 F11. The latter is already lighter. I wonder how clean those 600mm full frame ISOs will stay to bump shutter speed up level to the 300mm @F4 on m4/3. The looked amazing in this video 👍
Good information thank you so much
RAW of the gorilla image is exceptionally good in terms of image quality, I am impressed, my journey to acquire this lens is officially started.
BTW: Canon has durable shoulder bags for cheap.
I picked an 800mm up for my EOS R, surprisingly, it’s been great and a lot of fun.
@13:58 Eagle sees his fro 😂 (just kidding couldn't resist) great review...surprising image quality
Very good review jarred❤... it will be more helpfull if you could make a review with ef lenses like 600f4, 400 f2.8, 800f5.6 with r5 and new rf extender. Wildlife photographer like to see how it auto focusses beyond f8 specially animal eye af. And how the image quality and autofocus holds and compares to ef system with ef body and ef extenders..
And also need more information about the battery life as it is very important for a professional shoot in the wild.. like how it compares with a 5div or maybe a 1dxiii in terms of battery ...
Thanks in advance.... ❤
Summary: Nice lenses & image quality for the money, when you need to cover distance on subjects that can't be moving any faster than a tired sloth 😉🤷🏻♂️
These lens are great for birders that don't need the highest quality image. They need "ok" photo for Identification. For serious and pro bird/wildlife photographers, we are waiting for RF 600 f/4 or RF 500 f/4.
that's not true, it has limitations in low light because of F11 but image quality is great when you have good condition, watch a dedicated review by Jan Wegner or Duade Paton, all they do is bird photography and people can adapt their existing EF glass to these cameras so i don't think so you will ever see RF F4 in 500-600 mm range
These are much better than ok
excellent video Jared :)
Did a night shot of Seattle's Space Needle with the 600 on an RP, handheld at 1/4 sec, in total darkness. I was blown away.
Reminds me of pirates‘ spy glasses 😂👍😜
If anyone wants these lenses but can’t afford it, I recommend you wait a year as the market will have plenty of second hand ones once people find out how limited they are.
sexysilversurfer You must of never bought used canon lenses, they don’t lose value
Yup, youre wrong.
Nice video like always, are you gonna test the new RF 100-500/4,7-7,1 L IS USM aswell? 👍
I enjoys walking with R7 and 800mm f11. It feel so satisfying to have 1280mm hand held that focuses like lightning to your subject. Just need to chose bright morning or bright evening for superb shots. Sadly i must say that this lens is not for clody days unless you want to turn ISO to 1600 and beyond. At good days i hardly turn ISO over 500.
1280mm hand held that is usable. Think about that.
Little tip if you like to shoot with auto ISO set maximum ISO to 100-1600 or lower for this lens and keep shutter speed at 1/400 or higher.
I like how this kind of stuff has always been available on MFT but people just don't realize the potential.
I agree.. It is a crying shame that MFT seems to be misunderstood. Particularly irksome to me is where it is put down (especially on some TH-cam channels and one in particular), when MFT has clear advantages for many photographers.
These lenses might be the favourite of budget-minded air show photographers. Long reach, cheap, and super lightweight.
Would not be any good for jets as they would fly too fast for it.
@@petercreagh8797 Do able with some practice and skill. I've seen people use the current 600mm and 800mm primes and Canon's 200-400 with the 2x TC with great results. Obviously, these guys are setting up these lens up on tripods, or if they are really strong, they are hand holding them carefully.
What are you gonna do with f11?
@@robertmodalo8086 it would be much more hand holdable and lighter than the existing 600mm and 800mm lenses, and since most air shows are done in bright sunlight, a f/11 aperture won't matter too much.
Peter Creagh How is that, most air shows are in the middle of the day, so you should be able to get fast shutter speeds.
I’m not a birder but truly the eye on the eagle fantastic exceptionally with F 11 on top of no tripod with sharpness is an work on art love it🤩
just picked the 600.... loving it!
I'm a birder and shoot mostly in the early morning & late afternoon so f11 would be totally useless to me. I hope canon comes out with a 600mm 5.6 DO like the Nikon 500mm 5.6 prime, that would be awesome.
f11 in the forest of Costa Rica??? XD
they have a 600mm DO in development for a few years now. Who knows when/if we'll see it.
EF L 600mm f4 is too dope?
@@smashexentertainment676 too heavy
@@Agora1981 I'm using a 500mm f4 at 7lbs so if the 600 5.6 prime would be under 6lbs it would be good for me
These are actually very smart lenses. A lot of wildlife photographers always shoot at f11-16 if there's enough light to get a bit more depth of field, which is very thin at 600 or 800mm. So if these are actually sharp, which seems to be, I'm sure even a lot of professional photographers will pick those up, 3.5kg less on the bag is a big deal.
I've been waiting to see coverage on these before ordering a Sigma 150-600, which is the caliber of lens I'd expect these to try and compete with - thanks for the review!
jauffins I have a 150-600c and the rf800. Both are fantastic, the 800 is a tad sharper, but I attribute it to being a prime, and being of a newer designS but 600mm at 6.3? Can’t beat that!
Question: Did you print any of those files, especially the high ISO shots?
Try this, Canon 100-400, v2 with 2x teleconverter, on the Canon R, hand holdable, f11, 1/250 200 iso, completel with the focusing that the 100-400 has
Where do you buy 100-400 II + 2x teleconverter for 900 $?
Lmao
Dear Jared: Stop saying 2.8 when you're talking about an 800mm lens unless you've got a 800mm 2.8 on the market.
I noticed that too.
even most (humanly) affordable refractor telescopes with that focal lenght are like f5-7,
The front element of a 800mm f/2.8 would be ridiculously huge. Even bigger than that of the 1200mm f/5.6 and that lens is massive.
Haha. Rowe Ackermann Schmidt astrograph wants to have a chat with you
@@serioussam909 only 30cm, so tiny if you ask me.
Love the pictures of the Eagle and the other zoo animal, great job 👍😊❤️🎥
How would they be for photographing concerts, would the lack of light (except the stage) make to harsch contrast?
Honestly that f11 will probably not be the best option for concert photography. Depending how close you can get I’d stick to something like a 70-200
I would like to see how these lenses perform with EOS R...
Or the rp
The third gorilla photo is amazing...
"Manage and handle your exposure triangle": To be fair, you cannot do a lot for/against it. F11 is a must (obv) so the only thing you can change is the shutter speed, therefore you have to use the ISO needed for the given light. Great images btw!
There is a nice programm which you can use to enlarge the picture to higher mp counts and than crop it....and in the beginning i thought it will not work but the results are way better than expected.
me who bought the cheapest 500mm f8 lens for 80 bugs :D (manual, without stabilisation...)
I'm here for Jared , not for the lenses
Nothing wrong if you are a broke back mountaineer! -QMFT
@@JPMoron imnto broke for this lenses and canon camera .... I have phase one medium format
Jared is a bit of an acquired taste. Very obvious personality traits that could prove grating, unless they’re a manufactured persona for the channel? But he’s growing on me. Despite constantly pushing his Fropak stuff, does anybody actually purchase those?
I was impressed with the optics you described, but I’m probably not going to buy. I just don’t have much need for 600 or 800mm. I’m very interested in the 85mm f2 stm. I hope it doesn’t suck!
Hi Jared!! Could you make a R5 & Sigma or Tamron tele zooms combination review?? Will we be able to keep our lenses?
Jared usually forgets that not everybody is a Pro who needs $13.000 600mm f1.2 ultra speed lens. Sometimes F11 is just enough for hobbyists
"800mm at f11? will everything be sharp?"
You can tell Jared Polin rarely shot with crop sensor cameras with this review.
I remember first shooting with a cheap telephoto zoom with m43 just at equivalent 300mm (150mm) and equivalent f11 (f5.6) and was impressed by the subject separation achieved.
using these lens on a crop sensor will make them literally useless
Tiny sensor superzooms are even slower with the P1000 being like f32 at 800mm eq, but they still get some subject separation.
Cool review. It's a bit like my old Tamron 500 mirror lens: Everyone tells you those things are unsharp and crappy, but if you *exactly* know what you're doing, they are very capable!! Still it's a bit of a weird strategy, I think a 400/5.6 (with 2x converter you'd still get a 800/11 ...) would have been much more versatile. Also I don't like the HUGE minimum focus distance. Ok for big birds but if you'd chase smaller animals it can become a problem.
At 800mm and min focus I can get a good shot of a hummingbird.
I love the lense but sometimes I find it will not focus … but it gives me the opportunity to use a lense at this length ..very appreciative
“I Shoot Embiggened”
it's a perfectly cromulent word.
@@KitesurfingEnviro Intrigueulating.
One moment while I enbigge my telephoto lens.
Riight?! that drove me crazy, And I thought he was a double edumacated feller like the rest of his religious order.
Thanks for answering my question about the f-stops. JRS
WOW!!!!! I COULDN'T WAIT TO HAVE the 800mm!! Great review from the best PRO!!! Thanks!!!!
When Canon released these two lenses along with the R5, I was literally like- "WHAAAATTT.... WHHHHYYYYY??"
They're priced rather for buyers of the R6 and older R or RP with stable hands or a tripod, while the L lenses that came out back then are priced for the R5 audience :) That said, they do great on an R5. Those bird shots are stunning.
These are good, affordable lenses for shooters who know WTF they're doing. Tyros should stay away. I'm a birder. The 800mm is definitely on my radar.
Also, the flamingo chick was sitting on its heels (what most people mistake for backwards-pointing knees). Its legs are actually quite long. We know you're not a birder. Or a mathematician. No worries.
Maybe the 7(8) / 10(11) groups/lenses design for the 600mm (800mm) lenses help for clarity by contrast? My EF 5.6 400 has 6 groups and delivers phantastic contrast and very good perceived sharpness ... just on the M50 with it's high res sensor (equiv. to ~ 60 MPix in FF land).
Jared, please compare the RF 600 on the R5 or R6 with the Olympus 300 f4 pro mounted on the Olympus EM1 Mk II / III or X. Would be interested in how that one goes! You can also put on the converters (1.4x / 2x) to compare the 800mm and other combinations.
Do you realy need eye af at f11?
You might not admit it, but I can tell this isn't the first time you've spent a day at the zoo master birding...
Picked up the 600mm. Stepped outside to try it out, humidity got condensation on the front lens, went immediately back inside. Good experience so far
Not to mention that they work rather well as super "portable refractor telescope." Deep space photography works really well assuming you have an equatorial mount to go along with it.
Are these RF 800/600 f11 lenses good choices for smaller sensor sized cameras like the R7?
going out to buy them in a moment,thanks for the video review
Great video. You seem to anticipate every question I think of. Canon on their UK support site say that the IS on the 600 (maybe the 800 too, didn’t check) does NOT work in combination with the IBIS on the R5/6 so you get your ~5 stops but that’s it. Are they wrong?
Good. Video, I wonder to what extent is the ibis in the lens and camera expected to come into play with this affordable slow aperture super tele concept. Specifically, in terms of exposure.