The most impressive thing is, that you talk a lot but some of your Facts are your imagination without knowing realy. That's pretty sad. You may be right that some insurance companies will try to charge you after they paid for the damage you made, but as it is a Public toll road, they just can't! At least concernig the german HAFTPFLICHT. If you're getting towed, you decide where to you're car is getting towed to and not the towing company!
Hope you enjoy this one guys, we were all knackered (had been up 15+ hours prior to recording). Keep an eye out for the Main Misha Podcast coming soon!
Listened intently and I’m glad you highlighted the often missed point for us brits wanting to drive a tourist day on the Nurburgring; Yes, you might accept you are not insured on the Ring and be happy to cover the costs of barriers, recovery, fixing your own car etc if you have an accident, but you must also consider the possibility of the third party costs. Have a small incident and it’s probably manageable for some, but have a big one and cause a few cars to crash, it’s likely to cost you for a long while. Drop some coolant and cause a few unfortunate bikers to come off, well, it’s not even worth thinking about. Your insurance will pay out, but they’ll then likely come after you for that money. Yes, it is possible for us brits (on the odd occasion) to get cover on the Ring for yourself but it won’t cover the third party. At all. If you’re happy to take that risk, then crack on, but good luck. It’s why a lot of us that have been going for a while stick to trackdays and spend the tourist sessions watching from the sidelines. Appreciate I likely sound like my Dad and it’s all incredibly depressing, but if it saves someone from potentially ruining the rest of their lives then so be it. Carry on 😂
@MotorHeartAT try that and let me know how it goes 😂 As a uk registered car, your insurance will come after you - after they’ve had to sort the mess out.
@MotorHeartAT incorrect I’m afraid, that’s not how it works. The UK insurers are required by law to act. The line on your policy saying the Nurburgring isn’t covered is their get out of jail card against you, nothing else. They will, and are required to, settle all claims. Then they’ll come after you for that money back. There are plenty of examples out there of this happening.
That line of "they need to settle all claims" is not correct. Driving outside the conditions of your insurance is like driving with no insurance. The insurance company will not settle the claim, and thrid parties will have to open a civil lawsuit against you to get their money. Just as if you got in an accident with someone with personal insurance but doing Uber or food delivery (basically uninsured as they need business insurance)
I did a lap in 2016 . My wife and I drove to the Mercedes Benz Museum in Stuttgart and stopped off on the way home the next day to experience the phenomenon. I was the slowest car on the track but I have done it!
35:31 just one example. I've only driven 1 lap so far. In this lap, the slower cars always moved over to the right well in advance. And I also still kept my eyes in the rear and side mirrors regularly, and the one time a faster car approached I also noticed it well in advance and immediatley moved off the "racing line", slowed down, and moved over as far as possible to the right as I could. So, even Ring newbies can handle overtaking and being overtaken without issue. If there's an issue, it's just blatant neglect by one or more parties. Edit: and as one of the interviewers mentioned, and is important to mention, because it can and will happen, indeed, looking too much in the mirrors can lead to distraction from your own driving (line). Always make sure to keep your eyes on the road first, then when and if possible also look in the mirrors as much as possible.
Nice work Joe and Pete. Footnote to Misha - works better in an interview if you don't look directly at / speak to any of the cameras when it's an interview / filmed podcast. Also good tip for future guests.
@@acsmotorsportuk yes I suppose it can work sparingly. In some instances it’s the digital equivalent of when someone asks you a question, you turn away and answer to someone else. Certainly in television they don’t like it.
@@andrewhurstcars yeah I get that. I feel like in this particular instance he was telling a story for both the viewers and the interviewee (if that’s even a word) haha
56:39 point is, with modern suspension, aero, tires, electronic stability system, they can do 120 mph SAFELY. Cars are getting safer and safer, but speed limits don't increase; with the sole exception of the German unlimited Autobahn.
Love the honesty of the opinions here! Sorry for the crash, but a learning experience for the rest of us about the realities of the track. Also, where do I get the T shirt Drive Fast, Pet Dogs! I love both! Hello from the USA!
yes the fuel consumption per kilometer is highest when car is stopped and idling. That's infinite number of liters per km because you're consuming fuel but not moving.
Great podcast Misha was so honest and it was so interesting to think about the costs of an accident. I wonder how many people go to the ring without insurance cover for track running it must be frightening
Regarding the filming it's a bit of a double standard: in one way the Nurburgring is 'private property' but at the same time it's @35:56 "it's a *public* road."
Watched the video a hundred times frame by frame. Was already going "straight" at 1:32 + couple of milliseconds when first ABS flash occurred and you released the brake pedal. Then you turn in and second flash. I would bet the left rear was locked or both rears were locked -- you were rotating a little, but if the rears are locked or near locked you won't turn. Check for flat spotting? You don't hit full breaks again until you're on the grass just before impact. If not that, the rear diff may have locked or the LSD failed/locked? As usual, great podcast (and great driving).
Question : I have Europe wide recovery. Could I call my recovery agent to collect my crashed car from the ‘ring, then get it repatriated to the UK included in my membership. (BTW I didn’t crash) Great video lads! Thanks for staying and suffering for your art 😀
Check your details. When I was there, many many years ago pre-Brexit, some of the recovery contracts in the group explicitly excluded a circle around the 'ring and you'd have to arrange local recovery to get you outside of that circle before they'd even consider picking you up.
@@cheekychappy1234 That does ring a bell actually, from my 1st trip in 08. I remember one chap needed reparation, and had the correct recovery. However, they said that because the car was of less value than the truck to the UK, they pointed to their small print and denied him.
Good topic 👍🏻 Can you talk at one podcast about Audi RS models? You mention Porsches, M cars as track cars, how about RS brand? I was at SPA trackday in Apr , zero RS cars, you don’t mention RS at the ring. Does it mean RSs are not considered as track performance anymore? (I always assumed they are).
Regarding crashing, then what is being discussed is all correct, however this is not really what is important. What will cost you millions will be if you hit another car and do injury to a person.
Yeah. Don't put your car on a track if you're not willing to douse it in gasoline and casually throw lit matches at it. You can do everything right but still deal with other drivers.
I want to see proof of these statistic on lower crashes on the ‘public roads’ than on the Ring while it’s in tollroad touristenfahrt mode. I have been going to the Ring since 1999, and have never experienced there not being a crash while visiting. This doesn’t make sense to me tbh.
Cool episode, I subscribed! btw, Misha mentioned the right wing party specifically. Are they the ones in Germany actively trying to close down the Nordschleife? Or is Misha just naming them in general because if there would a a political party actively wanting to close it down it would probably be a right wing party? Reason I'm asking is because it got me thinking as to why a right wing party specifically would even want to close it down and after some thinking I think a case could be made for both left and right wing party's wanting to close it down for their own reasons.
His driving on the tourist days is down right dangerous. He forgets, not everyone is at his level. It’s only a matter of time before it goes drastically wrong and I hope some poor innocent person does not go with him.
No, that was actually "the worst track day of my life" lol. The Ferrari/Porsche crash was actually called as what it was: th-cam.com/video/o9IEW0V6F64/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wTFuKMqoDaPDeJPq
@@mgcharoudin Ah yes I stand corrected 🤓 I do remember the dramas you had back then. That Cayman had more than its fair share of unfortunate ‘situations’
TF is insane! I had an accident there spinning out my GT3 on the crest at Schwalbenschwanz putting it in the barrier with Cup2s on a rainy afternoon. Disgusting feeling. Then having to leave the car behind for repairs and pick it up the next year (due to winter), taking the plane home feeling like the biggest idiot on earth. Before the accident I had done an instructor lap after which I felt horrified of the conditions and danger. Parked my car saying it was done and over. Went out for the 3 remaining laps on our NBR card with my friend in a rental M3. Then went for a taxi lap being taught the wet line seeing it was possible to get a lot of grip there and decided to roll through one lap at slow speed just not to go home feeling terrified. After catching 2 slides, spirits were high and had 2 corners left to go when the right rear tyre instantly lost traction with maybe 20% throttle applied going over the small crest while slightly still being in a left hand curve before the 2 last right handers and the car spun. If I’d let it spin round, I’d probably done a 360 on the tarmac, but I caught it and put my left front tyre on the grass hitting first left front, then left rear corner into the barriers. Suspension was toast and “parked” it onto it’s belly on the curb. Marshalls came and measured 20meters of paint on the railing, yanked a few posts into place and stomped the earth around them. Rail bill ran to 2500€’s, tow bill to Lentz/ADAC in Adenau a couple of hundred. The GT3 repairs 45000€’s. I sucked it up and swore to never drive the Ring again. Driving the Ring is like Russian Roulette. Now I exclusively drive on insured track days. When I retrieved the car I had a go as a passenger for a lap in a WTL endurance training session and my God that cemented the decision on NEVER to drive the Ring again myself. It’s no place for amateurs. And I still BIG TIME consider myself an amateur driver, even though I do 8-12 track days per year and have been doing it for the last 10 years. On the future of TF, I think it’ll be banned in the future and probably it’s for the best, as you can really get hurt, both physically and financially driving the Ring.
@@Nord_MannWhy does he deserve sympathy, this is the real world we live in. He took the car on a race track in the wet and insurance paid for everything but the car. Now he's saying the tourist days should be banned because he made a decision to take a risk and then couldn't cope with the consequences. Are people this entitled now?
It is really heartbreaking to see influential people in car industry be so against car ownership and have this modern animal-friendly/vegan mentality. This is slowly destroying traditional values of owning the car. What follows? Are we going to own ourselves or are we sell our bodies to future AIs that will need to be maintained?
Thanks for having me! And sorry for the "experience" :(
Thanks for your time Misha, looking forward to sharing the longer planned one too 😉
Hey Misha. Great podcast. Hate to hear about the crash.
No one got hurt. Shit happens. The gr86 will be even better now!
The most impressive thing is, that you talk a lot but some of your Facts are your imagination without knowing realy. That's pretty sad. You may be right that some insurance companies will try to charge you after they paid for the damage you made, but as it is a Public toll road, they just can't! At least concernig the german HAFTPFLICHT.
If you're getting towed, you decide where to you're car is getting towed to and not the towing company!
Hope you enjoy this one guys, we were all knackered (had been up 15+ hours prior to recording). Keep an eye out for the Main Misha Podcast coming soon!
When is it coming?
Misha is a legend glad you got him on the podcast
We are too 🙌
legend wher you see it ? hahaha
Pink socks and Dad sandals, c’mon Misha, you’re already my favorite driver on TH-cam and now you go legendary!!!!
😂😂😂👌
Listened intently and I’m glad you highlighted the often missed point for us brits wanting to drive a tourist day on the Nurburgring; Yes, you might accept you are not insured on the Ring and be happy to cover the costs of barriers, recovery, fixing your own car etc if you have an accident, but you must also consider the possibility of the third party costs.
Have a small incident and it’s probably manageable for some, but have a big one and cause a few cars to crash, it’s likely to cost you for a long while. Drop some coolant and cause a few unfortunate bikers to come off, well, it’s not even worth thinking about. Your insurance will pay out, but they’ll then likely come after you for that money.
Yes, it is possible for us brits (on the odd occasion) to get cover on the Ring for yourself but it won’t cover the third party. At all. If you’re happy to take that risk, then crack on, but good luck. It’s why a lot of us that have been going for a while stick to trackdays and spend the tourist sessions watching from the sidelines.
Appreciate I likely sound like my Dad and it’s all incredibly depressing, but if it saves someone from potentially ruining the rest of their lives then so be it. Carry on 😂
@MotorHeartAT try that and let me know how it goes 😂 As a uk registered car, your insurance will come after you - after they’ve had to sort the mess out.
@MotorHeartAT incorrect I’m afraid, that’s not how it works. The UK insurers are required by law to act. The line on your policy saying the Nurburgring isn’t covered is their get out of jail card against you, nothing else. They will, and are required to, settle all claims. Then they’ll come after you for that money back. There are plenty of examples out there of this happening.
@MotorHeartAT I think you have heard the term lawsuit. Leaving the EU is not some magic blanket that will hide you from authorities.
accept
That line of "they need to settle all claims" is not correct. Driving outside the conditions of your insurance is like driving with no insurance. The insurance company will not settle the claim, and thrid parties will have to open a civil lawsuit against you to get their money. Just as if you got in an accident with someone with personal insurance but doing Uber or food delivery (basically uninsured as they need business insurance)
I did a lap in 2016 . My wife and I drove to the Mercedes Benz Museum in Stuttgart and stopped off on the way home the next day to experience the phenomenon. I was the slowest car on the track but I have done it!
Great stuff and timely too, we're heading over next week.
Glad you liked it! Hope you have a great time 👌
Well worth filming this until midnight, an insight you couldn’t condense into a 10 min TH-cam video
35:31 just one example. I've only driven 1 lap so far. In this lap, the slower cars always moved over to the right well in advance. And I also still kept my eyes in the rear and side mirrors regularly, and the one time a faster car approached I also noticed it well in advance and immediatley moved off the "racing line", slowed down, and moved over as far as possible to the right as I could.
So, even Ring newbies can handle overtaking and being overtaken without issue. If there's an issue, it's just blatant neglect by one or more parties.
Edit: and as one of the interviewers mentioned, and is important to mention, because it can and will happen, indeed, looking too much in the mirrors can lead to distraction from your own driving (line). Always make sure to keep your eyes on the road first, then when and if possible also look in the mirrors as much as possible.
Hope this loads up to the Podcast app soon for my drive home later 😬
Should be live on all podcast platforms anytime now... 🎙️👌
great to see Misha. one of the nicest guys on TH-cam. great ep. subscribed!
Great one again guys,very interesting and informative.Glad everyone is ok after the accident.
A fantastic chat!!!
Nice work Joe and Pete. Footnote to Misha - works better in an interview if you don't look directly at / speak to any of the cameras when it's an interview / filmed podcast. Also good tip for future guests.
TH-camr bad habits haha
When he was looking at the camera it was like he was talking to the viewers as well as being interviewed. Think it worked very well in this video
@@acsmotorsportuk yes I suppose it can work sparingly. In some instances it’s the digital equivalent of when someone asks you a question, you turn away and answer to someone else. Certainly in television they don’t like it.
@@andrewhurstcars yeah I get that. I feel like in this particular instance he was telling a story for both the viewers and the interviewee (if that’s even a word) haha
Another brilliant podcast guys ! A massive 👍🏻 to the three of you! Cheers, Tom
Fantastic episode !!! And I'm really looking forward to the other episode with Misha.
Haha you lot are brilliant It’s very relaxing environment
Great podcast. How the heck do you only have 6,000 subscribers? That baffles me.
Another great one guys. So much info and insights keep them coming
A really good PC with the 3 of you.
56:39 point is, with modern suspension, aero, tires, electronic stability system, they can do 120 mph SAFELY. Cars are getting safer and safer, but speed limits don't increase; with the sole exception of the German unlimited Autobahn.
Been waiting for this one..
Great chat.
Love the honesty of the opinions here! Sorry for the crash, but a learning experience for the rest of us about the realities of the track. Also, where do I get the T shirt Drive Fast, Pet Dogs! I love both! Hello from the USA!
yes the fuel consumption per kilometer is highest when car is stopped and idling. That's infinite number of liters per km because you're consuming fuel but not moving.
Keep these coming :)))
Great podcast Misha was so honest and it was so interesting to think about the costs of an accident. I wonder how many people go to the ring without insurance cover for track running it must be frightening
Best podcast so far 👍🏻👌🏻😎
Regarding the filming it's a bit of a double standard: in one way the Nurburgring is 'private property' but at the same time it's @35:56 "it's a *public* road."
So all the UK cars on The Ring are not insured - well that's a big number. Are the German cars the only 3rd party covered option out there?
Watched the video a hundred times frame by frame. Was already going "straight" at 1:32 + couple of milliseconds when first ABS flash occurred and you released the brake pedal. Then you turn in and second flash. I would bet the left rear was locked or both rears were locked -- you were rotating a little, but if the rears are locked or near locked you won't turn. Check for flat spotting? You don't hit full breaks again until you're on the grass just before impact. If not that, the rear diff may have locked or the LSD failed/locked?
As usual, great podcast (and great driving).
The Maestro of the ring!
Another great podcast and what a great guy Misha is!
I asked for this video thanks. Even it isn’t the nicest thing to talk about. ❤
Great episode
Nice one
Question : I have Europe wide recovery. Could I call my recovery agent to collect my crashed car from the ‘ring, then get it repatriated to the UK included in my membership.
(BTW I didn’t crash)
Great video lads!
Thanks for staying and suffering for your art 😀
Check your details. When I was there, many many years ago pre-Brexit, some of the recovery contracts in the group explicitly excluded a circle around the 'ring and you'd have to arrange local recovery to get you outside of that circle before they'd even consider picking you up.
@@cheekychappy1234
That does ring a bell actually, from my 1st trip in 08.
I remember one chap needed reparation, and had the correct recovery.
However, they said that because the car was of less value than the truck to the UK, they pointed to their small print and denied him.
31:28 They best part of the video. 🤣 Trust Dyana to say something like that. 🤣
Good topic 👍🏻 Can you talk at one podcast about Audi RS models? You mention Porsches, M cars as track cars, how about RS brand? I was at SPA trackday in Apr , zero RS cars, you don’t mention RS at the ring. Does it mean RSs are not considered as track performance anymore? (I always assumed they are).
Regarding crashing, then what is being discussed is all correct, however this is not really what is important. What will cost you millions will be if you hit another car and do injury to a person.
Yeah. Don't put your car on a track if you're not willing to douse it in gasoline and casually throw lit matches at it. You can do everything right but still deal with other drivers.
WTF no way that case in 24:18 OMG people are crazy
I want to see proof of these statistic on lower crashes on the ‘public roads’ than on the Ring while it’s in tollroad touristenfahrt mode. I have been going to the Ring since 1999, and have never experienced there not being a crash while visiting. This doesn’t make sense to me tbh.
Cool episode, I subscribed!
btw, Misha mentioned the right wing party specifically. Are they the ones in Germany actively trying to close down the Nordschleife? Or is Misha just naming them in general because if there would a a political party actively wanting to close it down it would probably be a right wing party?
Reason I'm asking is because it got me thinking as to why a right wing party specifically would even want to close it down and after some thinking I think a case could be made for both left and right wing party's wanting to close it down for their own reasons.
Well, when you play, you pay. Never fun without any risk.
His driving on the tourist days is down right dangerous. He forgets, not everyone is at his level. It’s only a matter of time before it goes drastically wrong and I hope some poor innocent person does not go with him.
Where's Robert?
Ferrari vs Porsche video was called “Worst track day of my life” if I remember correctly.
No, that was actually "the worst track day of my life" lol. The Ferrari/Porsche crash was actually called as what it was: th-cam.com/video/o9IEW0V6F64/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wTFuKMqoDaPDeJPq
@@mgcharoudin
Ah yes I stand corrected 🤓
I do remember the dramas you had back then.
That Cayman had more than its fair share of unfortunate ‘situations’
I don’t see the issue if it’s your crash and know other car is involved and know one has been injured in the crash.
No not know
No - not any
Know - be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
TF is insane!
I had an accident there spinning out my GT3 on the crest at Schwalbenschwanz putting it in the barrier with Cup2s on a rainy afternoon. Disgusting feeling. Then having to leave the car behind for repairs and pick it up the next year (due to winter), taking the plane home feeling like the biggest idiot on earth. Before the accident I had done an instructor lap after which I felt horrified of the conditions and danger. Parked my car saying it was done and over. Went out for the 3 remaining laps on our NBR card with my friend in a rental M3. Then went for a taxi lap being taught the wet line seeing it was possible to get a lot of grip there and decided to roll through one lap at slow speed just not to go home feeling terrified. After catching 2 slides, spirits were high and had 2 corners left to go when the right rear tyre instantly lost traction with maybe 20% throttle applied going over the small crest while slightly still being in a left hand curve before the 2 last right handers and the car spun. If I’d let it spin round, I’d probably done a 360 on the tarmac, but I caught it and put my left front tyre on the grass hitting first left front, then left rear corner into the barriers. Suspension was toast and “parked” it onto it’s belly on the curb. Marshalls came and measured 20meters of paint on the railing, yanked a few posts into place and stomped the earth around them. Rail bill ran to 2500€’s, tow bill to Lentz/ADAC in Adenau a couple of hundred. The GT3 repairs 45000€’s. I sucked it up and swore to never drive the Ring again. Driving the Ring is like Russian Roulette. Now I exclusively drive on insured track days.
When I retrieved the car I had a go as a passenger for a lap in a WTL endurance training session and my God that cemented the decision on NEVER to drive the Ring again myself. It’s no place for amateurs. And I still BIG TIME consider myself an amateur driver, even though I do 8-12 track days per year and have been doing it for the last 10 years.
On the future of TF, I think it’ll be banned in the future and probably it’s for the best, as you can really get hurt, both physically and financially driving the Ring.
sad to read.
no track insurance for the GT3 ?
@@tobycyril780of course not. Insurance company paid for the rails, recovery and plane tickets from and to the NBR. Car was on me.
So use a cheaper car then? Noone asked you to drive your $150k wagon on the 'Ring if you weren't prepared to swallow some big bills
@@socalguy829 so no sympathy from you then? Car was bought for 67000€’s
@@Nord_MannWhy does he deserve sympathy, this is the real world we live in. He took the car on a race track in the wet and insurance paid for everything but the car. Now he's saying the tourist days should be banned because he made a decision to take a risk and then couldn't cope with the consequences. Are people this entitled now?
The front fell off.
#shitDianaSays
What about the crazy Left Wing partys Misha never mind right wing lol what right wing ffs
Jobby
500euro is cheap
It is really heartbreaking to see influential people in car industry be so against car ownership and have this modern animal-friendly/vegan mentality. This is slowly destroying traditional values of owning the car. What follows? Are we going to own ourselves or are we sell our bodies to future AIs that will need to be maintained?
I'm pretty disappointed at the "right wing" comment. Smh.
Right wing comment?
5:50 Just an unnecessary comment. Not a huge deal, been an avid watcher of Misha's for years. Glad you guys are safe.
I meant left :)@@rabid_1
Is Misha wearing pick socks and flip flops???
Legend👌🏻
The interview was unplanned.