I’d never thought about how well Victis would’ve suited AO and the same for Primis/Ultimis and Tag. You make great points in this video! BO4 is my favourite zombies instalment ever, but within the story lies some of the biggest missed opportunities.
I totally agree. It’s almost as if they accidentally switched the crews on tag and ao. Would be really cool if it was the other way around. Still, I miss the bo4 days of zombies
The way Victus were handled in BO4 gets under my skin to this day. Not even from a character standpoint but a lore one, There were so many dropped plot-threads from the ' broken earth ' storyline that were never resolved, so many mysteries left unexplained from their era - what was the drill excavating in nuketown? Why did broken arrow create the detazins? just what were the TV transmissions in Tranzit? Only for them to be ignored in order to tie a loose end people had long forgotten all the way back from world at war.
I always hated that instead of really continuing the broken earth story from bo2 which was the darkest part of the story, they turned it into some kind of multi dimensional kill the past story with dragons, squid monsters and have none of the tone of previous games at all.
@@CJSantaI personally like what they did with the story in BO3. I think Primis are very endearing and the maps they're in are awesome. Those maps while not eerie or creepy like those of previous games, they have this feeling of epicness that wasn't there before and that I like a lot, same for the story itself. What I do not like though is how they fumbled the story in BO4, and I 100% agree with what you say in the video. Good video btw
I wouldn’t really call those loose ends, all of those plot threads have explanations that can be reasonably inferred. The drill was being used to drill for 115 near Nuketown. Broken Arrow probably didn’t mean to create denizens, they just did through experimenting (like the nova crawlers). The TV transmissions are other groups that are being communicated with by Richtofen and Maxis, sort of to imply that Victis isn’t the only group that the 2 Germans had been talking to.
And the original call of the dead easter egg, ultimus were trapped. so it would’ve made sense for them to actually be in the map finally. Especially since it’s where they were originally tested on.
Only if BO4's budget wasn't cut, and also i think Blundell left before the last 2 Aether maps were released, he didnt like how restricted he felt, because Activision being Activision doesn't allow you to have creative freedom.
Imagine if the last stand in Tag would trigger mini cutscenes where the zombies would pick our characters off one by one and Nikolai, as the last one standing, sacrifices himself to destroy the cycle once and for all.
Idk if this was what you were suggesting, but imagine if the easter egg ended with the main four characters fighting until every player goes down, knowing that this will be their final stand, and then the final cutscene plays. No time travel/multiverse gimmicks that bring them back or anything, just a few guys making their last stand. It would harken back to the days of cod zombies before the big Easter eggs (especially before BO4, when the game ended up on completing the EE), like in Nacht Der Untoten, where the marines had no real objective, but they just kept fighting. You could even have voice lines from the crew, where they lament the fact that everything ends when they die, and they could question why they bother to keep fighting. Imagine if you fought as the Ultimis/Primis crew, and they got to give their lines about who they wanted to be while fighting zombies, instead of sitting in a Forrest drinking wine. That would probably be a lot more impactful...
0:45 Would you like to see Chaos return after Dark Aether is concluded? I’d love to see a video recounting the key events and coming to a conclusion on whether or not it should see continuation! The Chaos Story allows the developers so much more creative freedom when it comes to map design!
Bro this is so underrated video. It’s so sad that sense this can happen if it wasn’t for the rush for the maps story. Also, what if we play as primes crew on tag and later rescue the ultimus crew like in call of the dead? Just a theory, not saying that this would have story issues but just an idea. And when you can CJ, look into on what makes Double Tap ll broken. Thx ❤
If they did a chronicles 2 and continued the Chaos story I’d pay full price for it even if it was just BO4 dlc. I haven’t bought cod since BO4, nothing compares.
Wow that's just such a perfect video and especially how you showed respect to bo4 zombies and anger at what a missed opportunity and that we could've had a better ending.
To be fair, there’s quite a bit of evidence that we were supposed to get TranZit, Buried, and Origins reimaginings too (likely back when the game would have two seasons of content). It makes sense if after AO we got TranZit and Buried, followed by the Origins reimagining that likely would be The Great War. Then Tag would be a sort of epilogue (we know it would be last because of a cipher in Gorod Krovi mentioning such). Also I think they were trying to do a COTD homage where Vicits is being bossed around like the COTD cast was.
Sadly, the fact that zombies youtubers and redditers would just have glossed over the map this map and called it anticlimactic for the second to last map because they hated victus is probably why they did this.
@@CJSanta dude this is such a W take, like Primis are still stereotype characters like Ultimis but just toned down which makes them bland. Like Dempsey's lines are literally him talking in a recorder logging in the intro of a map😭 Primis has the best design though for Dempsey and Nikolai while Ultimis is better for Richtofen and Takeo in character look
Honestly the biggest L for treyarch was the Great War. I understand why it didn’t happen and I find the ending bittersweet and actually pretty good but the Great War that ends and ends the cycle would be better
If victis were on alpha omega, they also could’ve done something like the moon EE where they do whatever it is for richtofen and co. But then they learn the truth that richtofen was just using them so they listen to maxis and blow up the earth. However, using this structure from moon’s EE to alpha omega could’ve lead to victis listening to either richtofen or nikolai but then when they give them the elemental shard they learn that they’ll be banished to the dark aether(or are given hints that something bad will happen to them) so, using the technology at broken arrow and with the help of russman, they could’ve made some portal or something to take them after the events of “the banishing” so that they’re not taken to the dark aether. We still would’ve had to have learnt and seen what happens in the next map but we would’ve been left on a cliffhanger for victis and victis finally would’ve broken their cycle of following orders which would be part of the theme of BO4, that being breaking cycles.
Tag is a top 5 map for sure. I prefer Blood/Spaceland and AE but Tag is still so amazing/next to perfect. But man I'm sorry I think Primis/Ultimis would not fit on Tag at all, I like Tag because of Victis. They make the map perfect for me, and I hated them in BO2. But in Tag they're so entertaining. I just wish that both AO and Tag would have some polish to them, because both the cutscenes and some of the gameplay is pretty unpolished. Still Tag should stay the way it is just more polish and it would be perfect. And I keep saying this, but the best moment in COD zombies history is Stuhlinger talking to Richtofen at the end of the easter egg. "Richtofen, if this is it....." "I know, Sammy. I found you mildly amusing, too". That to me is more emotional than the ending it self.
You’re absolutely right on all the points made here about Victis in AO, and perhaps one day a group of map makers will make an improved version of this map(for both gameplay and story) for BO3. I have a couple of things that I’ve thought about just to have your mind race even more about the possibilities and perhaps some corrections. Firstly, the whole idea of Peter McCain being Misty’s father is flawed since the timelines don’t match. The victis maps in BO2 take place in 2025(I think), while Peter McCain would’ve died(thus probably had kids if he did have a spouse) during the times of WWII, so unless he somehow had more children once he was ressurected(which would’ve been in the 60’s if I’m not mistaken) it would be inconsistent and frankly super weird if McCain would’ve indeed been Misty’s father. With that in mind however, it would make way more sense if McCain was instead a long lost grandfather/great grandfather for Misty. That I think would make many more interesting interactions between McCain and Misty and perhaps dig up even more about her family’s past. Secondly, it’s really interesting to think about the interactions between Rushmore and Russman. There’s a good chance that Rushmore would actually recognize him(since he’d probably be in his database as a former staff member) and welcome him back home, while the other three characters would be shocked and confused about this new revalation. I bring this up because Rushmore would have unique interactions with each of the Victis characters and would make him that much better as a character. And thirdly, I do think even applying to the final map we got that the Avogadro should’ve been a little bit more involved with the map even outside the EE outside of just being an occasional voice you’d hear. With that being said, the interactions between the Avogadro and the Victis characters would be quite interesting, especially since he’d probably recognize them back from Tranzit. To conclude, I do have more ideas in mind that’d mainly apply to improving the map’s gameplay, but there’s simply too many ideas of mine. I say all this as a recent AO fan, the map is super fun and always keeps me on my toes, and it has an easter egg that doesn’t require you to have a guide by you side to complete it. Anyways I hope you read and enjoyed my rambling.
God, this video just open my mind to something I needed. The story you made for Victus, then Ultimis/Primis; all were made into a good ending. Chef kiss. You should do more of these type of videos; Call of Duty Zombies reworking or even rewrites are an big love for me. Really good video, man. Always keep up the good work. 👍
i always felt like alpha omega was meant to have victis in it but i think Craig n the developers picked up that if they launched alpha omega w victis there would’ve been no hype for the map n no one would’ve enjoyed it
They should of sent Victus to Camp Edward (although I do enjoy playing as Takeo and/or Nikolai and getting called a 'communist' by the computer, Rushmore) to obtain the elemental shard that Ultimus Richtofen made by combining pieces of all the souls of the Ultimus crew. Then, they send the Ultimus crew to Tag, because Ultimus Richtofen knows his Labs very well and can use the tools there to obtain the elder giant blood needed. And finally Primis goes to Purgatory point, aka buried, to retrieve the vessel for the Agarthan Device. Once all 3 crews have obtain all 3 pieces of the Agarthan Device: the elder giant blood, the elemental shard, and the vessel THAT OLD JEBIDIAH BROWN, THE BLACKSMITH had constructed so long ago with the guidance of the keepers from Agartha that he thought were biblical angels, now they were ready for the great war and the are ready to use the Agarthan Device against Dr. Monty in the Origins remake: Finality. In this great war map, you get to select between Primis, Ultimus, and Victus as the ultimate showdown to break the cycle will require the efforts of everyone. Fight through the beloved Northern France battleground as giant apothicon monsters wage war against the giant robots and dragons once constructed by group 935. The four wonder weapons would obviously be the original 4 staffs used by the original Primis that fought off the first apothicon attack, instead of Maxis' prototypes used in Origins. The new Lighting staff would create a Lighting strike on the player every time they shoot it, regardless of where they shoot, making it a great safety weapon. The new Fire staff absolutely destroys boss zombies and is needed for several easter egg steps, fitting because the Fire staff is Nikolai's canon Primis staff, makes sense with Nikolai leading the pack and how the Fire staff is known for purging evil as shown in BOTD. The Wind staff shoots tornadoes as it's normal shot, and it's charged shot creates a giant wind gust players can ride to evade zombies. The new Ice staff will leave Ice spike traps where zombies are killed, making it a campers dream. I would rather these map ideas happen than the entirety of Cold War. CW was mediocre and was the main reason bo4 and Vanguard underperformed. We would of had a better Vanguard and a better bo4 if Cold War never happened!
Probably tgey didn't even tought out it as well Also imagine if on tag they would be forced to surpass samanta first...or if it's samanta is one with one last Joy right With thriling and atmospheric as ever map surpassing kino...derrise...veruck AND SHINONUMA Because afther war...everythibg got undone again As would Nikolai say...THIS IS F@#€!€ CRAYZY!
The biggest missed opportunity is not having the Great War map Followed by no more complex maps full of atmosphere And also the chaos story never getting more :(
*They fucked up but idk about yo vision either n the need to tie everything together. Remember not knowing everything? Thats was is also needed, MYSTERY.. Imo that crew overstayed they welcome 🤷🏽♀️ they should’ve died already but ya bo4 was lazy asf. Something I don’t hear a lot about is the corny way treyarch used the “static” sound.. it’s lazy asf how they used it*
I think one thing though is that Alpha Omega I'm pretty sure is supposed to be the map within the original canon timeline(WaW-Bo2 Ultimis timeline) as Marlton is in the Bunker before it was nuked and the Avogadro is sent to the Hanford site(Tranzit)
Imagine if bo4 was a hit game We would have had 20 + Zombies maps on that game possibly a solo zombie game afterwards with all maps ever made ? Who knows
I think removing the campaign and shoving a massive ass battle royal map into this game mid development really did irreversible damage to this game. I believe they pulled lots of resources and poured their efforts into making blackout work (it didn’t). This is evident with how polished the game looks, how unstable, unplayable at launch which turned away lots of fans. Even menu and hud design was a downgrade which shows how little time they had. Also telling the chaos story alongside the Aether, instead of finishing the Aether then starting chaos caused a massive hit to popularity. I believe Jason and zombies team were moved to the next cod installment after the initial fail. But they kept showing up in promos and trailers for show only. AO & TDT don’t look like Blundell and his team style of maps or ee. I will never forget Activation for what they did to my story.
I mean look at it this way, you did provide some custom map ideas for BO3 at least. Granted I have zero mapping experience or techinical skill. But I don't think that these ideas arent worth bringing to life.
There are many problems with your alternative version here 1 Peter McCain being Misty's dad is as dumb as Dempsey being her dad it doesn't work. 2 saying primis and ultimis have 0 connection to camp Edward says to me you didn't listen to the radios or pay attention to the story as to why they were there. 3 the deaths of primis and ultimis were done the way they were because we learned that realistically takeo is pretty much the only one who didn't really fight back. The overarching theme of BO4s ending and the whole cycle idea is coming to terms with the fact that you and those closest to you will die at some point it is inevitable even if you try to stop it you are putting yourself in and endless purgatory cycle. I do agree that swapping them would have changed the map interactions and such the issue remains that the ending still needed all parties to have a resolution of them all dying and dying in a way that wasn't just to zombie hordes because thats not satisfying either.
Man your videos are beyond my expectations every, single, time. For me this is the correct story. Sadly, I'm happier like this. Thank you CJ for this vídeo, it was veeeeery cool. You are always great ❤️💪🏼
Not only is it Activision fault its also Raven and Sledgehammer fault for constantly fighting and Activision had to step in and send in Treyarch to work on Cold War
8:25 that makes no sence how is Peter McCain the father of misty, because peter is from the 1940's and misty is a young adult by 2025, i dont know about you but that makes no sence💀
Well how is Peter McCain a director of broken arrow which wasn't created until the 60s when he died in the 40's? There's no consistency and timeline shenanigans all over the place, so I think it could have worked.
Maybe it’s just me, but I like what we got. Something people don’t get is that the storytelling gives a LOT of reverence. I don’t think you’d get that switching the roles.
Somebody commented and brought up a good point that having Ultimus being on Tag would be a nice full circle for them. As they would finally see the map that they were stuck behind the door of as well as being able to go back to the facility they were first experimented on and finally regain their memories there. All around, I think that Blundell and Craig Huston fumbled the ending completely.
The one thing I despise in bo4s story is that they deliberately changed Samantha Maxis' VA to sound like a kid who as a strep throat or whatever they call it to sound like someone that has a mucus build up in their tonsils
Chaos never even got a chance to be finished and ironically they mention parts of it in vanguard zombies for that it’s worth, Victis was done terribly in the bo4 because ultimately they never got any freedom and then they never got to learn any truth about why they did these things. What’s even sadder is realistically like you said they should have never been on tag der toten, I wonder what went on behind the scenes if the storyboard near the end. They would have to actually remake alpha omega and tag for the story to feel correct and work for the ending, but people would complain.
Black Ops 4 is the last game we got with the genuine mystery behind zombies, after that, every game forward just handed things straight to us, feels disrespectful because we're not stupid, cod zombies community is the smartest community I've ever seen in all of the communities I've been in, I'm always impressed in what people find and figure it, we used to use our brain a lot for it, now we barely have to think since majority of things is just handed to us
I hope Jason Blundell sees these kinda videos and realises how much his “new vision” of zombies ruined it for millions of fans. To disrespect an 8 year old story so much man…so disappointing
@@CJSanta completely agree actually. Don’t get me wrong, the Jimmy Z days ran their course and the maps got ridiculous, but Jason being given full control and using that control to completely ignore 2 and a half previous games of zombies, in order to make his own story and retcon a bunch of things that people were genuinely interested in is just crazy to me. It’s like the guy went mad with power and said “no fuck that, I’m doing this” It worked for a lot of bo3 but overall, his story writing, particularly the climaxes, sucked. And the fact we have to read a whole ass timeline that was produced simply to answer questions that were left due to lazy writing and lack of care for details, is just silly.
Wow. The way you described it, got me excited to relive the ending of the game… But then I remembered how it actually went. I still think what we got was OK at best, just not the way it should’ve been for reasons you just described. I know the story had lots of missed opportunities here and there, especially with moon and transit, but this had to have been their biggest one when they were wrapping everything up… Life moves on, but every once in a while I think about this ending. The potential was all there, but now it is what it is.
IIRC, Aether was only meant to end off with reimagined maps because Treyarch wanted to end Aether off there so that they wouldn't have to create a new Aether map due to story threads. Chaos only existed to fulfill their map ideas.
Honestly, I never thought about this. Yeah I always felt that the ending was really short and rushed, but the character potential switch-up you pointed out is actually crazy in retrospect. Man I love all these characters of the og story, really sad to see they Treyarch was rushed out of bo4
@@CJSanta if i remember correctly, Peter was resurrected got turned into an A.D.A.M. Unit, then got decommissioned by Cornelius Pernell around the time he was becoming corrupted and turned into the Avogadro.
DUDE….. either get out of my head or I swear, I must’ve thought this video into existence quite literally yesterday I was just telling my zombie buddies almost verbatim of the hypothetical “what if” scenario you just told. Such a tragic missed opportunity indeed brother. I don’t blame treyarch I know if it was completely up to them and they had a substantial budget to work with ether would’ve concluded in a way that would’ve resonated stronger with us as well as chaos
well the thing w the multiverse theme is that you can always retcon in whenever you want , it's just a matter of when they will n who is going to pitch those ideas
The problem with retconing this story is.they have to start at bo2,anything after mob is a separate story of the cycle so bo3-gulf war would be pointless
Im sure Ultimis/Primis voice actors are expensive and Alpha Omega has double the voice lines than it normally does but it could be Jason Blundell’s decision to mix characters in one map rather than splitting Ultimis/Primis into Tag. Victis could have been killed off with Blood of the Dead
To be fair, it also fits that they are in the forest by themselves so they can rest for once and not fight zombies. They could never ever end the madness in the story by themselves, they had to get outside help to end it all. Literally, everytime they tried, they would always loop back to the beginning. So the solution would be makes victis end it all for them. Ultimis and Primis would never be able to end it themselves.
None of that is true, the writing is deliberately written that way so it SEEMS that they're backed into a corner that doesn't really exist. Somehow, "We were always doomed to fail" but everything since the cycle was broken proves that's not true. They just got lazy and didn't care how it ended as long as they could wash their hands of it all.
@@CJSanta I get your points. But I disagree with it. I think them having a rest is a fitting end for them. And no matter what, them dying was always going to happen, no matter what. If they exist, the cycle will always continue in one way or another. We already had the victis crew being present in adventures throughout the comics. They have already been in a broken arrow facility and also zero earth. So they have done more than enough. It's just a shame we didn't get their comics adventures as playable maps.
I’ve always imagined having Victis be the crew for both AO and Tag, have Monty snatch the Agarthan Device last minute (like Richthofen in Shadows with the Summoning Key). Then Victis arrives in the Frozen Forrest uniting all 3 Crews and together they set out on one final journey to get the Agarthan Device from Monty.
@@CJSanta Ultimis Richtofen and Sam could’ve had some of the best interactions in the story but we didn’t get anything. Like an apology of some sort would’ve been incredible though maybe unfitting for Richtofen.
@brinerix Yeah exactly, Ultimus Richtofen feels so out of character from alpha omega and Tag. I don't believe that the same guy who went through his grand scheme from World at War to moon in bo1 would somehow turn into a good guy and help Nikolai?! Nah, I don't buy it. Bad writing
Something that I've always thought was weird was why the last map had to be call of the dead, what I mean is it makes sense why in the other bo4 maps we are there like in classified its because dempsey messed with the teleporter but to me it makes no sense why the keepers would be hanging out in call of the dead
I highly recommend you do some research on the story behind Tag, including Call Of The Dead and Shangri-La. You’ll come out having understood why Tag takes place in the same place as COTD (or does it? 👀) as well as some great smaller parts of the story that many fans don’t know about!
It’s crazy how the community has gaslit itself into thinking this wasn’t planned from the start, everything you said shows me you truly never understood the story properly. The switcheroo people kept crying about on how Victis should’ve been on AO, shows the GENUINE uninterest they truly had in the story. I was enjoying some of the content on this channel especially since it’s a lot more rational than other creators but this video is a complete disaster. VICTIS WAS PLANNED TO BE THE LAST CREW SINCE BO2 AND BO3
There is no indication or proof that bo4s story was planned the way it was, due to the massive cut content, including Chronicles 2 and chaos season 2. Even if it were planned, that doesn't make it a satisfying or well written story in my opinion, not in any way. People can plan out things and have it still turn out poorly.
@@CJSanta BO2 set up the cycle and showcased that Ultimis and Primis were the reason it exists alongside Monty. BO3 showcased that the only way for the cycle to be broken is by NOTTTT going to the Great War map. Victis is poetically the best crew to end the storyline on and the chronicles 2 stuff only was gonna exist to pave the way to the exact same ending we got in Tag.
@digitalmorlox4439 that's an artificial argument made at the very end of the story, with one line. And the whole idea of the cycle and it being broken is a flawed concept from the beginning when ultimus and primis only join up after the cycle is broken, but it's only because of them that Avagadro is sent to Washington in tranzit for victis to use for the maxis easter egg, which is the canon one. The whole cycle thing is a lie. They over complicated things and because the community wasn't satisfied with how revelations ended with the literal "The End" at the finishing of the easter egg, they won't themselves out of a corner with a retcon that is an insult to the entire story. Again, this goes off the premise that any of this was all planned, which is a false assumption. The truth is, the ending is bad, and it doesn't respect the characters or the story as a whole.
@@CJSanta once again showing you never read the story. The rev trophy you get is literally called “Complete the cycle” BO3 existed to EXPLAIN the cycle bro. Revelations also had a cipher that literally spelled out that Monty perpetuated it and is actually not a good guy. The Tranzit Avogadro is not the same as the Alpha omega one, it literally is explained in the map that you apparently find as a guilty pleasure that Russman took a sample from the Avogadro and sent it to Hanford which created the Tranzit version. Boom, no flawed concept lol
@digitalmorlox4439 You and the story can claim that Monty is the bad guy and the vilian of the story and needs to be stopped but that goes against all observable evidence. Saying he's evil because he's ensuring his own existence isn't inherently evil whatsoever. Especially when he created a perfect world for the children with no apothicons or 115 at the end of revelations. See, there is no cycle. The story "came full circle" but it ends with a happy ending where no more evil exists at the ending of Rev. The Story is poorly written and motivations aren't a substitute for what's true.
It's *almost* shocking these days how bad companies are at giving the fans what they want, until you remember that most developers are fans just like us, just being held back but the publisher. it's true that Activision actually TOLD Treyarch to stop working on Alpha Omega halfway and most likely Tag just so they could move on and work on..... Black Ops Cold War 😭
I really appreciate this video, I thought I was the only one, I'm huge into the story, I always thought it was important in gameplay, I read the black Ops zombies victis comics, broken arrow was a huge part in that, to not see Victis within broken arrow on Alpha Omega shattered me ngl, nonetheless I still love Alpha Omega, I really do, over hated map imo
One thing I think I should point out too is the original lore was different, we didn't get it because how much hate bo4 got and some aren't ready to admit that, that's why they cut short on it, so if bo4 had more love it would've gotten its 2 to 3 year support life cycle
I’ve never thought how much victus fit perfectly into alpha omega and how you wrote their ending actually gave them depth instead of just being pawns the entire time. Binging all your vids it’s insane no one’s realized something so obvious especially treyarch themselves lol keep it up man
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I’d never thought about how well Victis would’ve suited AO and the same for Primis/Ultimis and Tag. You make great points in this video! BO4 is my favourite zombies instalment ever, but within the story lies some of the biggest missed opportunities.
I totally agree. It’s almost as if they accidentally switched the crews on tag and ao. Would be really cool if it was the other way around. Still, I miss the bo4 days of zombies
Would've been cool if they added a updated Tranzit in BO4 for the Victis crew, they had the assets and stuff.
@@it2spooky4me79 yeah, I keep wishing they secretly, randomly just update bo4 with some cool stuff
The way Victus were handled in BO4 gets under my skin to this day. Not even from a character standpoint but a lore one, There were so many dropped plot-threads from the ' broken earth ' storyline that were never resolved, so many mysteries left unexplained from their era - what was the drill excavating in nuketown? Why did broken arrow create the detazins? just what were the TV transmissions in Tranzit?
Only for them to be ignored in order to tie a loose end people had long forgotten all the way back from world at war.
I always hated that instead of really continuing the broken earth story from bo2 which was the darkest part of the story, they turned it into some kind of multi dimensional kill the past story with dragons, squid monsters and have none of the tone of previous games at all.
@@CJSantareal.
Didn't Marlton got into the nuketown bunker at one point ?
They should have dropped us at the start of the map in the bus with the route B.
@@CJSantaI personally like what they did with the story in BO3. I think Primis are very endearing and the maps they're in are awesome. Those maps while not eerie or creepy like those of previous games, they have this feeling of epicness that wasn't there before and that I like a lot, same for the story itself. What I do not like though is how they fumbled the story in BO4, and I 100% agree with what you say in the video. Good video btw
I wouldn’t really call those loose ends, all of those plot threads have explanations that can be reasonably inferred. The drill was being used to drill for 115 near Nuketown. Broken Arrow probably didn’t mean to create denizens, they just did through experimenting (like the nova crawlers). The TV transmissions are other groups that are being communicated with by Richtofen and Maxis, sort of to imply that Victis isn’t the only group that the 2 Germans had been talking to.
this video made me hyped up then depressed again bc it isn't a reality
Sorry, I had to do it 🥲
And the original call of the dead easter egg, ultimus were trapped. so it would’ve made sense for them to actually be in the map finally. Especially since it’s where they were originally tested on.
God, I didn't even mention that. Holy shit how incompetent was Blundell and Craig Huston when the wrote this?!
Only if BO4's budget wasn't cut, and also i think Blundell left before the last 2 Aether maps were released, he didnt like how restricted he felt, because Activision being Activision doesn't allow you to have creative freedom.
No he was still doing Twitter interviews at that time, he waited until after bo4s life cycle concluded before he left.
@@CJSanta oh, sorry for the misinformation, i thought he left after Ancient Evil.
@it2spooky4me79 well he certainly didn't show his face after lying and saying "Factions is coming soon guys!" 😑
@@CJSanta NOOOOOO, don't bring up Factions 😭
@@it2spooky4me79 it still hurts 💔
Imagine if the last stand in Tag would trigger mini cutscenes where the zombies would pick our characters off one by one and Nikolai, as the last one standing, sacrifices himself to destroy the cycle once and for all.
That would be like the most iconic moment in gaming history
*It could have been an awesome story, but it didn't happened.*
Idk if this was what you were suggesting, but imagine if the easter egg ended with the main four characters fighting until every player goes down, knowing that this will be their final stand, and then the final cutscene plays. No time travel/multiverse gimmicks that bring them back or anything, just a few guys making their last stand. It would harken back to the days of cod zombies before the big Easter eggs (especially before BO4, when the game ended up on completing the EE), like in Nacht Der Untoten, where the marines had no real objective, but they just kept fighting. You could even have voice lines from the crew, where they lament the fact that everything ends when they die, and they could question why they bother to keep fighting. Imagine if you fought as the Ultimis/Primis crew, and they got to give their lines about who they wanted to be while fighting zombies, instead of sitting in a Forrest drinking wine. That would probably be a lot more impactful...
Let him cook
0:45 Would you like to see Chaos return after Dark Aether is concluded? I’d love to see a video recounting the key events and coming to a conclusion on whether or not it should see continuation! The Chaos Story allows the developers so much more creative freedom when it comes to map design!
100%
Blundell really should have swapped characters with AO and Tag
Bro this is so underrated video. It’s so sad that sense this can happen if it wasn’t for the rush for the maps story. Also, what if we play as primes crew on tag and later rescue the ultimus crew like in call of the dead? Just a theory, not saying that this would have story issues but just an idea. And when you can CJ, look into on what makes Double Tap ll broken. Thx ❤
If they did a chronicles 2 and continued the Chaos story I’d pay full price for it even if it was just BO4 dlc. I haven’t bought cod since BO4, nothing compares.
When you think about it aether story on black ops 4 was basically zombie chronicles 2
Wow that's just such a perfect video and especially how you showed respect to bo4 zombies and anger at what a missed opportunity and that we could've had a better ending.
Yeah it's my favorite game, but certainly not without flaws.
Glad you liked it! 👍
Dis shit really blew my mind. It makes too much sense and now I can’t unsee it. I hate it
To be fair, there’s quite a bit of evidence that we were supposed to get TranZit, Buried, and Origins reimaginings too (likely back when the game would have two seasons of content).
It makes sense if after AO we got TranZit and Buried, followed by the Origins reimagining that likely would be The Great War. Then Tag would be a sort of epilogue (we know it would be last because of a cipher in Gorod Krovi mentioning such).
Also I think they were trying to do a COTD homage where Vicits is being bossed around like the COTD cast was.
We were never going to the Great War though.people forget it takes place during the time we’re in orogins
Russman is for RUSSIAN! 😂
Гойда! Русские вперёд! Русские вперёд! 🐻🇷🇺
really wish we got to see how bo4 would play out in a perfect scenario, shame.
Now that you point it out it seems like the obvious direction the writers should’ve went with! AMAZING video my guy 🔥
#MakeCjSantaWriteGolfWar
Golf War would go crazy
Golfing zombies
Sadly, the fact that zombies youtubers and redditers would just have glossed over the map this map and called it anticlimactic for the second to last map because they hated victus is probably why they did this.
Victis never deserved the hate, I think Primis is terrible.
They are bland, boring and their dialogue is embarrassingly cringe.
@@CJSanta dude this is such a W take, like Primis are still stereotype characters like Ultimis but just toned down which makes them bland. Like Dempsey's lines are literally him talking in a recorder logging in the intro of a map😭
Primis has the best design though for Dempsey and Nikolai while Ultimis is better for Richtofen and Takeo in character look
Honestly the biggest L for treyarch was the Great War.
I understand why it didn’t happen and I find the ending bittersweet and actually pretty good but the Great War that ends and ends the cycle would be better
If victis were on alpha omega, they also could’ve done something like the moon EE where they do whatever it is for richtofen and co. But then they learn the truth that richtofen was just using them so they listen to maxis and blow up the earth. However, using this structure from moon’s EE to alpha omega could’ve lead to victis listening to either richtofen or nikolai but then when they give them the elemental shard they learn that they’ll be banished to the dark aether(or are given hints that something bad will happen to them) so, using the technology at broken arrow and with the help of russman, they could’ve made some portal or something to take them after the events of “the banishing” so that they’re not taken to the dark aether. We still would’ve had to have learnt and seen what happens in the next map but we would’ve been left on a cliffhanger for victis and victis finally would’ve broken their cycle of following orders which would be part of the theme of BO4, that being breaking cycles.
Tag is a top 5 map for sure. I prefer Blood/Spaceland and AE but Tag is still so amazing/next to perfect.
But man I'm sorry I think Primis/Ultimis would not fit on Tag at all, I like Tag because of Victis. They make the map perfect for me, and I hated them in BO2. But in Tag they're so entertaining. I just wish that both AO and Tag would have some polish to them, because both the cutscenes and some of the gameplay is pretty unpolished. Still Tag should stay the way it is just more polish and it would be perfect. And I keep saying this, but the best moment in COD zombies history is Stuhlinger talking to Richtofen at the end of the easter egg. "Richtofen, if this is it....." "I know, Sammy. I found you mildly amusing, too". That to me is more emotional than the ending it self.
You’re absolutely right on all the points made here about Victis in AO, and perhaps one day a group of map makers will make an improved version of this map(for both gameplay and story) for BO3. I have a couple of things that I’ve thought about just to have your mind race even more about the possibilities and perhaps some corrections.
Firstly, the whole idea of Peter McCain being Misty’s father is flawed since the timelines don’t match. The victis maps in BO2 take place in 2025(I think), while Peter McCain would’ve died(thus probably had kids if he did have a spouse) during the times of WWII, so unless he somehow had more children once he was ressurected(which would’ve been in the 60’s if I’m not mistaken) it would be inconsistent and frankly super weird if McCain would’ve indeed been Misty’s father. With that in mind however, it would make way more sense if McCain was instead a long lost grandfather/great grandfather for Misty. That I think would make many more interesting interactions between McCain and Misty and perhaps dig up even more about her family’s past.
Secondly, it’s really interesting to think about the interactions between Rushmore and Russman. There’s a good chance that Rushmore would actually recognize him(since he’d probably be in his database as a former staff member) and welcome him back home, while the other three characters would be shocked and confused about this new revalation. I bring this up because Rushmore would have unique interactions with each of the Victis characters and would make him that much better as a character.
And thirdly, I do think even applying to the final map we got that the Avogadro should’ve been a little bit more involved with the map even outside the EE outside of just being an occasional voice you’d hear. With that being said, the interactions between the Avogadro and the Victis characters would be quite interesting, especially since he’d probably recognize them back from Tranzit.
To conclude, I do have more ideas in mind that’d mainly apply to improving the map’s gameplay, but there’s simply too many ideas of mine. I say all this as a recent AO fan, the map is super fun and always keeps me on my toes, and it has an easter egg that doesn’t require you to have a guide by you side to complete it. Anyways I hope you read and enjoyed my rambling.
Also just to add, @CJSanta do you have any sort of Discord server or anything like that, or atleast have plans for it?
One thing though is that im pretty sure AO takes place before Nuketown and Tranzit
God, this video just open my mind to something I needed. The story you made for Victus, then Ultimis/Primis; all were made into a good ending. Chef kiss. You should do more of these type of videos; Call of Duty Zombies reworking or even rewrites are an big love for me. Really good video, man. Always keep up the good work. 👍
As well, you could make a discord server for people to make ideas like yours. Just a idea, but would be good. 👍
@MasonCurwen I may consider that. But trust me, I'm already making a video on the Chaos story next 👀
@@CJSantaExcited for it, bro. 👍
i always felt like alpha omega was meant to have victis in it but i think Craig n the developers picked up that if they launched alpha omega w victis there would’ve been no hype for the map n no one would’ve enjoyed it
Yeah, just done for marketing reasons instead of what was best for the story 😢
They should of sent Victus to Camp Edward (although I do enjoy playing as Takeo and/or Nikolai and getting called a 'communist' by the computer, Rushmore) to obtain the elemental shard that Ultimus Richtofen made by combining pieces of all the souls of the Ultimus crew. Then, they send the Ultimus crew to Tag, because Ultimus Richtofen knows his Labs very well and can use the tools there to obtain the elder giant blood needed. And finally Primis goes to Purgatory point, aka buried, to retrieve the vessel for the Agarthan Device. Once all 3 crews have obtain all 3 pieces of the Agarthan Device: the elder giant blood, the elemental shard, and the vessel THAT OLD JEBIDIAH BROWN, THE BLACKSMITH had constructed so long ago with the guidance of the keepers from Agartha that he thought were biblical angels, now they were ready for the great war and the are ready to use the Agarthan Device against Dr. Monty in the Origins remake: Finality. In this great war map, you get to select between Primis, Ultimus, and Victus as the ultimate showdown to break the cycle will require the efforts of everyone. Fight through the beloved Northern France battleground as giant apothicon monsters wage war against the giant robots and dragons once constructed by group 935. The four wonder weapons would obviously be the original 4 staffs used by the original Primis that fought off the first apothicon attack, instead of Maxis' prototypes used in Origins. The new Lighting staff would create a Lighting strike on the player every time they shoot it, regardless of where they shoot, making it a great safety weapon. The new Fire staff absolutely destroys boss zombies and is needed for several easter egg steps, fitting because the Fire staff is Nikolai's canon Primis staff, makes sense with Nikolai leading the pack and how the Fire staff is known for purging evil as shown in BOTD. The Wind staff shoots tornadoes as it's normal shot, and it's charged shot creates a giant wind gust players can ride to evade zombies. The new Ice staff will leave Ice spike traps where zombies are killed, making it a campers dream. I would rather these map ideas happen than the entirety of Cold War. CW was mediocre and was the main reason bo4 and Vanguard underperformed. We would of had a better Vanguard and a better bo4 if Cold War never happened!
Probably tgey didn't even tought out it as well
Also imagine if on tag they would be forced to surpass samanta first...or if it's samanta is one with one last Joy right
With thriling and atmospheric as ever map surpassing kino...derrise...veruck AND SHINONUMA
Because afther war...everythibg got undone again
As would Nikolai say...THIS IS F@#€!€ CRAYZY!
The biggest missed opportunity is not having the Great War map
Followed by no more complex maps full of atmosphere
And also the chaos story never getting more :(
Wasted Potential is keeping that Craige Huston guy at the seat of the lead writer.
After Cold War, that's VERY true.
*They fucked up but idk about yo vision either n the need to tie everything together. Remember not knowing everything? Thats was is also needed, MYSTERY.. Imo that crew overstayed they welcome 🤷🏽♀️ they should’ve died already but ya bo4 was lazy asf. Something I don’t hear a lot about is the corny way treyarch used the “static” sound.. it’s lazy asf how they used it*
I think one thing though is that Alpha Omega I'm pretty sure is supposed to be the map within the original canon timeline(WaW-Bo2 Ultimis timeline) as Marlton is in the Bunker before it was nuked and the Avogadro is sent to the Hanford site(Tranzit)
Imagine if bo4 was a hit game
We would have had 20 + Zombies maps on that game possibly a solo zombie game afterwards with all maps ever made ? Who knows
I think removing the campaign and shoving a massive ass battle royal map into this game mid development really did irreversible damage to this game. I believe they pulled lots of resources and poured their efforts into making blackout work (it didn’t).
This is evident with how polished the game looks, how unstable, unplayable at launch which turned away lots of fans.
Even menu and hud design was a downgrade which shows how little time they had.
Also telling the chaos story alongside the Aether, instead of finishing the Aether then starting chaos caused a massive hit to popularity.
I believe Jason and zombies team were moved to the next cod installment after the initial fail. But they kept showing up in promos and trailers for show only. AO & TDT don’t look like Blundell and his team style of maps or ee.
I will never forget Activation for what they did to my story.
I mean look at it this way, you did provide some custom map ideas for BO3 at least. Granted I have zero mapping experience or techinical skill. But I don't think that these ideas arent worth bringing to life.
There are many problems with your alternative version here 1 Peter McCain being Misty's dad is as dumb as Dempsey being her dad it doesn't work. 2 saying primis and ultimis have 0 connection to camp Edward says to me you didn't listen to the radios or pay attention to the story as to why they were there. 3 the deaths of primis and ultimis were done the way they were because we learned that realistically takeo is pretty much the only one who didn't really fight back. The overarching theme of BO4s ending and the whole cycle idea is coming to terms with the fact that you and those closest to you will die at some point it is inevitable even if you try to stop it you are putting yourself in and endless purgatory cycle. I do agree that swapping them would have changed the map interactions and such the issue remains that the ending still needed all parties to have a resolution of them all dying and dying in a way that wasn't just to zombie hordes because thats not satisfying either.
Man your videos are beyond my expectations every, single, time.
For me this is the correct story. Sadly, I'm happier like this.
Thank you CJ for this vídeo, it was veeeeery cool. You are always great ❤️💪🏼
I just love zombies and want the best for it, things like this always pop into my head. Maybe i'll make more story type videos 👀
Not only is it Activision fault its also Raven and Sledgehammer fault for constantly fighting and Activision had to step in and send in Treyarch to work on Cold War
Your channel is a hidden gem .. this was such a good episode as always :,)
That’s such an interesting alternative outcome for the narrative. It would be really cool if someone could try to pull it off in custom zombies.
I wish someone would try and do that, because I know people have made dark Aether custom maps with victis
Man you can really tell they were stretched thin due to being pulled to other projects like blackout and the next cod game
That would have been amazing 😢😢😢. But maybe in another universe that happened.
You’re a genius. Victis in alpha omega would’ve been perfect!
8:25 that makes no sence how is Peter McCain the father of misty, because peter is from the 1940's and misty is a young adult by 2025, i dont know about you but that makes no sence💀
Well how is Peter McCain a director of broken arrow which wasn't created until the 60s when he died in the 40's?
There's no consistency and timeline shenanigans all over the place, so I think it could have worked.
Maybe it’s just me, but I like what we got. Something people don’t get is that the storytelling gives a LOT of reverence. I don’t think you’d get that switching the roles.
Somebody commented and brought up a good point that having Ultimus being on Tag would be a nice full circle for them. As they would finally see the map that they were stuck behind the door of as well as being able to go back to the facility they were first experimented on and finally regain their memories there.
All around, I think that Blundell and Craig Huston fumbled the ending completely.
The one thing I despise in bo4s story is that they deliberately changed Samantha Maxis' VA to sound like a kid who as a strep throat or whatever they call it to sound like someone that has a mucus build up in their tonsils
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This video needs more attention from the zombies community.
Fuck bo4 aether in general, classified is the only thing from that section of bo4 i like
That’s too bad! As disappointing as the overall story ended up being, I loved each of the individual maps for what they were.
Unfortunate, I love BO4, even with its problems.
@@it2spooky4me79 good for you , it just has too many problems for me
@@themanofmovies8104 that's ok.
Litterally
Chaos never even got a chance to be finished and ironically they mention parts of it in vanguard zombies for that it’s worth, Victis was done terribly in the bo4 because ultimately they never got any freedom and then they never got to learn any truth about why they did these things. What’s even sadder is realistically like you said they should have never been on tag der toten, I wonder what went on behind the scenes if the storyboard near the end. They would have to actually remake alpha omega and tag for the story to feel correct and work for the ending, but people would complain.
Black Ops 4 is the last game we got with the genuine mystery behind zombies, after that, every game forward just handed things straight to us, feels disrespectful because we're not stupid, cod zombies community is the smartest community I've ever seen in all of the communities I've been in, I'm always impressed in what people find and figure it, we used to use our brain a lot for it, now we barely have to think since majority of things is just handed to us
I hope Jason Blundell sees these kinda videos and realises how much his “new vision” of zombies ruined it for millions of fans. To disrespect an 8 year old story so much man…so disappointing
I think Jason Blundell, frankly ruined zombies as a whole for many players. But people don't take the time to realize it 😔
@@CJSanta completely agree actually. Don’t get me wrong, the Jimmy Z days ran their course and the maps got ridiculous, but Jason being given full control and using that control to completely ignore 2 and a half previous games of zombies, in order to make his own story and retcon a bunch of things that people were genuinely interested in is just crazy to me. It’s like the guy went mad with power and said “no fuck that, I’m doing this”
It worked for a lot of bo3 but overall, his story writing, particularly the climaxes, sucked. And the fact we have to read a whole ass timeline that was produced simply to answer questions that were left due to lazy writing and lack of care for details, is just silly.
YouR channel is underrated as hell! Keep up the work
Thx, I 100% will 😁
Wow. The way you described it, got me excited to relive the ending of the game… But then I remembered how it actually went. I still think what we got was OK at best, just not the way it should’ve been for reasons you just described. I know the story had lots of missed opportunities here and there, especially with moon and transit, but this had to have been their biggest one when they were wrapping everything up… Life moves on, but every once in a while I think about this ending. The potential was all there, but now it is what it is.
Now that you've publicized these ideas, Tag & AO need to be made into custom maps with the changes you've described
IIRC, Aether was only meant to end off with reimagined maps because Treyarch wanted to end Aether off there so that they wouldn't have to create a new Aether map due to story threads.
Chaos only existed to fulfill their map ideas.
You just made alpha and tag even better, holy crap thats my headcannon now, victis was in alpha omega and primis and ultimis were on tag
Honestly, I never thought about this. Yeah I always felt that the ending was really short and rushed, but the character potential switch-up you pointed out is actually crazy in retrospect. Man I love all these characters of the og story, really sad to see they Treyarch was rushed out of bo4
Grief should have returned in AO
Would love to see you do a full video on the Chaos storyline, maybe even diving into where it could’ve gone.
I’ve never thought about it like that. They should be switched. Good ass video.
this video was fucking hype holy shit
this is my new head cannon, you cracked the code
Wasn’t Misty’s dad killed by zombies if I’m not mistaken?
I thought it was her mom that happened too, either way, do we know FOR SURE how Peter died on the base? 🤨
@@CJSanta if i remember correctly, Peter was resurrected got turned into an A.D.A.M. Unit, then got decommissioned by Cornelius Pernell around the time he was becoming corrupted and turned into the Avogadro.
DUDE….. either get out of my head or I swear, I must’ve thought this video into existence quite literally yesterday I was just telling my zombie buddies almost verbatim of the hypothetical “what if” scenario you just told. Such a tragic missed opportunity indeed brother. I don’t blame treyarch I know if it was completely up to them and they had a substantial budget to work with ether would’ve concluded in a way that would’ve resonated stronger with us as well as chaos
🤭 This is why I make these videos, deep down I know there has to be people I feel the way I do about all the things that happened in the mode 👀
Some damn good points sir
Goat video holy shit
You are so right and earned a sub
Thank you, my good man ☺️
well the thing w the multiverse theme is that you can always retcon in whenever you want , it's just a matter of when they will n who is going to pitch those ideas
The problem with retconing this story is.they have to start at bo2,anything after mob is a separate story of the cycle so bo3-gulf war would be pointless
Im sure Ultimis/Primis voice actors are expensive and Alpha Omega has double the voice lines than it normally does but it could be Jason Blundell’s decision to mix characters in one map rather than splitting Ultimis/Primis into Tag. Victis could have been killed off with Blood of the Dead
I don't think they would be paid for Ultimis and Primis independently but just a contract for playing both characters
@@pink_kino That makes way more sense I don’t know anything about how they deal business💰😂
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It is too late for all us, Dude.
Treyarch has already screwed themselves over.
It’s due to them having to pick up everyone’s slack.they had to step into cw,they had to step into vanguard’s and mw
To be fair, it also fits that they are in the forest by themselves so they can rest for once and not fight zombies. They could never ever end the madness in the story by themselves, they had to get outside help to end it all. Literally, everytime they tried, they would always loop back to the beginning. So the solution would be makes victis end it all for them. Ultimis and Primis would never be able to end it themselves.
None of that is true, the writing is deliberately written that way so it SEEMS that they're backed into a corner that doesn't really exist.
Somehow, "We were always doomed to fail" but everything since the cycle was broken proves that's not true.
They just got lazy and didn't care how it ended as long as they could wash their hands of it all.
@@CJSanta I get your points. But I disagree with it. I think them having a rest is a fitting end for them. And no matter what, them dying was always going to happen, no matter what. If they exist, the cycle will always continue in one way or another.
We already had the victis crew being present in adventures throughout the comics. They have already been in a broken arrow facility and also zero earth. So they have done more than enough. It's just a shame we didn't get their comics adventures as playable maps.
this might be your best video
@Callisterbw That means a lot!
I really am proud of this one 😊
I’ve always imagined having Victis be the crew for both AO and Tag, have Monty snatch the Agarthan Device last minute (like Richthofen in Shadows with the Summoning Key). Then Victis arrives in the Frozen Forrest uniting all 3 Crews and together they set out on one final journey to get the Agarthan Device from Monty.
How can us random people on TH-cam come up with better storylines than Treyarch? It's just sad 😔
@@CJSanta Ultimis Richtofen and Sam could’ve had some of the best interactions in the story but we didn’t get anything. Like an apology of some sort would’ve been incredible though maybe unfitting for Richtofen.
@brinerix Yeah exactly, Ultimus Richtofen feels so out of character from alpha omega and Tag. I don't believe that the same guy who went through his grand scheme from World at War to moon in bo1 would somehow turn into a good guy and help Nikolai?! Nah, I don't buy it. Bad writing
This guy is too underrated
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Something that I've always thought was weird was why the last map had to be call of the dead, what I mean is it makes sense why in the other bo4 maps we are there like in classified its because dempsey messed with the teleporter but to me it makes no sense why the keepers would be hanging out in call of the dead
I highly recommend you do some research on the story behind Tag, including Call Of The Dead and Shangri-La. You’ll come out having understood why Tag takes place in the same place as COTD (or does it? 👀) as well as some great smaller parts of the story that many fans don’t know about!
Interesting little fun fact, in the lyrics for 'Not ready to die' the call of the dead easter egg song there's the lyric; "The Final Curtain Call" 👀
I always think about it…
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I love your videos, even more when they are more than 5 minutes long
It always depends on how much work I have each week, but if I have the time, I love making videos longer than 10 minutes
Someone likes bo4 a lil too much😭😭💀
Well...yeah. it is my favorite zombies game
It’s a good game go back and play realistic mode 1 hit down system sprinters by round 3
Very well said, @CJ Santa ur one in a million!!! Amazing video!!!
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@@CJSanta let’s goooo he responded!!! U just made my night! Love u @CJSanta
@@dallas_749 I see all the comments 😄
Glad you loved the vid!
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Great video!
Jeez youre a very underrrated channel...
Thanks man, I'm gonna keep at it every week until I hit the top 😃
@@CJSanta keep making videos of this quality and you're gonna be big!
It’s crazy how the community has gaslit itself into thinking this wasn’t planned from the start, everything you said shows me you truly never understood the story properly. The switcheroo people kept crying about on how Victis should’ve been on AO, shows the GENUINE uninterest they truly had in the story.
I was enjoying some of the content on this channel especially since it’s a lot more rational than other creators but this video is a complete disaster.
VICTIS WAS PLANNED TO BE THE LAST CREW SINCE BO2 AND BO3
There is no indication or proof that bo4s story was planned the way it was, due to the massive cut content, including Chronicles 2 and chaos season 2.
Even if it were planned, that doesn't make it a satisfying or well written story in my opinion, not in any way.
People can plan out things and have it still turn out poorly.
@@CJSanta BO2 set up the cycle and showcased that Ultimis and Primis were the reason it exists alongside Monty. BO3 showcased that the only way for the cycle to be broken is by NOTTTT going to the Great War map. Victis is poetically the best crew to end the storyline on and the chronicles 2 stuff only was gonna exist to pave the way to the exact same ending we got in Tag.
@digitalmorlox4439 that's an artificial argument made at the very end of the story, with one line.
And the whole idea of the cycle and it being broken is a flawed concept from the beginning when ultimus and primis only join up after the cycle is broken, but it's only because of them that Avagadro is sent to Washington in tranzit for victis to use for the maxis easter egg, which is the canon one.
The whole cycle thing is a lie. They over complicated things and because the community wasn't satisfied with how revelations ended with the literal "The End" at the finishing of the easter egg, they won't themselves out of a corner with a retcon that is an insult to the entire story.
Again, this goes off the premise that any of this was all planned, which is a false assumption. The truth is, the ending is bad, and it doesn't respect the characters or the story as a whole.
@@CJSanta once again showing you never read the story.
The rev trophy you get is literally called “Complete the cycle” BO3 existed to EXPLAIN the cycle bro.
Revelations also had a cipher that literally spelled out that Monty perpetuated it and is actually not a good guy.
The Tranzit Avogadro is not the same as the Alpha omega one, it literally is explained in the map that you apparently find as a guilty pleasure that Russman took a sample from the Avogadro and sent it to Hanford which created the Tranzit version.
Boom, no flawed concept lol
@digitalmorlox4439 You and the story can claim that Monty is the bad guy and the vilian of the story and needs to be stopped but that goes against all observable evidence.
Saying he's evil because he's ensuring his own existence isn't inherently evil whatsoever.
Especially when he created a perfect world for the children with no apothicons or 115 at the end of revelations.
See, there is no cycle. The story "came full circle" but it ends with a happy ending where no more evil exists at the ending of Rev.
The Story is poorly written and motivations aren't a substitute for what's true.
It's *almost* shocking these days how bad companies are at giving the fans what they want, until you remember that most developers are fans just like us, just being held back but the publisher.
it's true that Activision actually TOLD Treyarch to stop working on Alpha Omega halfway and most likely Tag just so they could move on and work on..... Black Ops Cold War 😭
Shockingly tragic 😥
I really appreciate this video, I thought I was the only one, I'm huge into the story, I always thought it was important in gameplay, I read the black Ops zombies victis comics, broken arrow was a huge part in that, to not see Victis within broken arrow on Alpha Omega shattered me ngl, nonetheless I still love Alpha Omega, I really do, over hated map imo
One thing I think I should point out too is the original lore was different, we didn't get it because how much hate bo4 got and some aren't ready to admit that, that's why they cut short on it, so if bo4 had more love it would've gotten its 2 to 3 year support life cycle
I’ve never thought how much victus fit perfectly into alpha omega and how you wrote their ending actually gave them depth instead of just being pawns the entire time. Binging all your vids it’s insane no one’s realized something so obvious especially treyarch themselves lol keep it up man
RadAustin mention 🔥🫡🐐😎🗣️