More than anything, this is a prime example of how awful NBA media coverage is. The media coverage of the NFL actually is solid, meanwhile we as NBA fans get stuck with high school level dramatics and flip-flopping.
the nfl actually bring people that knows something about their sport obviously the nba just brings anybody in nba coverage itself has seattle like what tom brady say "mediocrity" to the point we watch youtubers for neutral takes and have better overall opinions.
The nba is hella cringe now and i say this as someone who used to love the nba. The league is such a soap opera now with how bad the media and players mentalities are
I think you hit the nail on the head. They want people to use ESPN BET and put money on Tatum because he is definitely going to lose the MVP race and thus those bets all go to ESPN wallet.
You dont even need to watch NBA. Luka has averaged 28.5 points, 8.6 rebounds and 8.2 assists per game in his career and Tatum has 23.0 points, 7.2 rebounds and 3.5 assists in his career. Diferents in huge.
@user-wi7eg9sp1k yea it’s crazy how obvious it is. Luka, Jokic, Giannis, and Shai are all right there, but they want to talk about Tatum cuz he’s American. And Shai from Canada, that’s barely even foreign 😂
@@FatsAldridgeMe personally, I would like the MVP to go to the player with the best case for it, and wherever that player is from, so be it. As for Tatum, he may not be an MVP, but I could see an All-NBA selection?
@@fortynights1513he will probably make 1st team all NBA but if Embiid didn’t get injured he would be 2nd team. Idk if I would put him 1st team even with Embiid out but you know that’s what they’ll probably do. Jokic, Shai, Giannis, Luka all pretty much guaranteed to be in.
SAS is a clown. Tatum’s ONLY case is his team’s record, and when the roster is so stacked that Jrue Holiday is a 5th option, that “winning” narrative doesn’t even carry any weight 😂😂
No. His stats are good enough, he’s the best player on the best team. Winning a title wasn’t a criteria for Giannis and Joker before they won and certainly not Embiid, because Boston owns them. Best player on best team > great player that isn’t winning jack squat should count more.
Idk how people don’t understand the basic idea that having better players on your team diminishes an individual’s value to a team. KD was never as valuable to the Warriors as he was to the Thunder. Even if someone’s stats or skills increase on a more stacked team, their value in relation to the team will necessarily diminish. IMO jokic or SGA should win the MVP. Guys like Tatum or kawhi play with too many stars to call them “the most valuable player”
@@jacobmcklowski4428my guess is that he probably had a plan for this channel and how the content would differ but got too lazy/gave up on the idea but cannot delete/abandon this the channel for obvious reasons
Unfortunately, you are right. Gil's Arena is the same way. My mother (who's around the same age) is the same way too. Pretty ridiculous that they are openly showing Xenophobia. It's like they forgot where they came from and how they were treated in the past...🤦🏾♀
it's not all black analysts AT ALL.. but i am 100% convinced that SMith's and perkins votes are racially biased... and yes, racist too... and i don't even mind that as much as the fact that they would deny it... stand by your horse shit
There's a reason why they have a vote, and you don't. I mean seriously you think you know more then ex players. You should pull your head out your butt and come up for air. Tatum has beat them all. He either has a winning record against the elites or he about to take the tiebreaker, and wins are the most important stat.
I agree with you LOW and I have for years, Giannis and Jokic are probably the most disrespected superstars in NBA history, damn sure recent history. This dude said Tatum should win MVP "because HE'S THAT DUDE", like wtf are we talking about here, aura? Fact is there are legit 3 guys ahead of Tatum for MVP and that's Jokic, SGA, and Giannis period.
@@robbiecleighmarks3088 I think the NBA should just come out make a rule that you have to be a 6 seed or higher for MVP consideration (not play-in or lower) just to end the debate.
I don’t want to make an official statement, but I find it convenient that SAS and Perk said that Tatum, American, is the new MVP favorite, while the four players that are above him in the race are all foreign players. 🧐
They’re old heads trying to deny the fact that an American guy is not the best player behind the classic “best player on the best team” argument. That argument is only valid in a tight mvp race. Not in a year where you have guys putting up historic numbers
People try to whine about advanced stats, but almost every single MVP winner in league history is top 5-10 in Win Shares, Win Shares/48, BPM and VORP. The rare exceptions are guys who we usually think *didn't* deserve it like Steve Nash. Tatum is not top 10 in any of those stats, so I think it's pretty simple why he doesn't have a case.
LUKA is truly the MVP. Kept his team afloat while his starters missed 70 games. Triple more than the next MVP candidate and are within 1 game of the 5th seed and 5 games from the 2nd seed. Mavs might get a top 4 seed by the end of the season.
BS that is total CAPPING ….WTF have you been???? Taking all those Terrible Shots, turnovers and No Damn Defense period. Hell if it wasn’t for Kai Dallas would be out of the damn Playoffs picture period. Thanks to Kai and the other Dallas Team Players they will make the Playoffs period. Stop 🛑 giving Luka credit he doesn’t deserve at ALL. Kai got his Azzz looking to pass now before just comings down the court dribbling the hell out of the ball and forcing a DA Shot. Nobody truly wants to PLAY with Luka!!!!
@@TheGarciaKidd WTF are you???? I speak on what I want to speak on period. I said what I said and I damn mean it….now what….you can’t handle the TRUTH????
they need to strip Perkins and Smith of their voting privileges and give them to you. because you are actually very knowledgeable, non-prejudice, and a very logical analyst. We all know Luka will be the real MVP but we know how SAS and Fat Perk feel about them white folk and I'm asian.
Awful takes about Tatum but I’m not shocked. Going to the playoffs every since his rookie year no matter who was on the team hurts u I guess. Either Records matter or they don’t . Different excuses every year.
I don't get why the NBA is allowing sports media personnel to vote on the NBA MVP when they could include players and coach or other league personnel so the opinion isn't so one sided by personality. The voter fatigue as well plays a roll in why people don't want to give Giannis or Jokic MVP.
Looking at the comments, it's clear alot of people don't know the history of the NBA. Historically, it's an award that goes to the best player on a team that finishes top 3 in their conference. There have only been a handful of exceptions. I got 1.SGA 2.Tatum 3.Jokic 4. Giannis🤷🏾♂️
Except jovik and embeid just won MVPs before they won a championship? Tatum sends embeid home in the playoffs every year. Tatum scored 46 in an elimination game at Philly and scored 50+ on an elimination game in Milwaukee. Tatum gets penalized for being on a good team I believe but Tatum has been in the eastern conference finals like 5 of 6 years since he entered the league and people forget his only 25/26. He was 23 in that finals. How did lebron do.in his first finals?
jayson tatum needs to become a villain. he needs the league to turn on him and needs to embrace it. he needs to really lose, not just come up short. he came into a smooth sailing team (apart from kyrie) and it’s been solid ever since. in his mind he’s probably always gonna be a 1st to 3rd seed so I think he’s complacent and the franchise reflects that. he needs that hunger. something needs to light a fire under him that’ll translate to the rest of the team like his college days. he wants to be like kobe and takes everything from kobe, now he’s gotta learn the way kobe did.
It’s simple he’s has not had the best seasons. He has a great team but he has the best roster in the entire league probably so he’s doesn’t have to do as much as other players. Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, and Luka are consistently better than him. I’d still probably take Steph, KD, and Lebron over him at the moment. He has a lot inconsistency in the playoffs and has been outplayed by Jimmy Butler in several playoffs series despite having better supporting cast. Jayson Tatum is very talented player but there has never been a season where you could call him the best player in the league or had the best season for him to be a top MVP candidate.
It gets what you're trying to say and all, but isn't that the way/reason why Steph Curry won his first MVP? Best player on the best team has always been a go to argument for MVP when there is no clear cut person having an all time year or something of that sort.
i look at tatum like i do lamar jackson , dont matter what his stats are ive seen the dude choke way to many times to be the mvp . these 2 guys look unstoppable when the game doesnt matter but soon as there is a lil pressure they play the worse they ever have lol
Bruh embiid has folded in the playoffs the last like 3-4 years💀and tatum hasn’t had as many bad performances as lamar jackson at all that’s a bad comparison imo. Tatum has had bad games… but “choked” is lowkey a stretch. I can remember maybe 2-3 playoff games where tatum played bad but embiid has definitely had more bad playoff games.
Ok I can't agree with you on this one. Tatum is completely deserving of an MVP, and fleeing the best player on the best team should matter. Also you can't say "Tatum can't be MVP because he is expected to do good, his team is expected to win" that's bs. 27, 8, Ballin on both sides and having the absolute best record, should matter.
If Mitchell and Booker didnt deserve MVP, then Tatum and SGA dont deserve it. Its always been Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka (maybe Steph and KD for a year or two), for the last 5 years. To vote anyone else is just blasphemy. SGA being over Giannis and Luka in the race is even worse than whatever spot Tatum is in.
Perkins last season “you need to take post season success into account that’s why I’m voting for Embiid over jokic” meanwhile Joker every year RAISES his game in the playoffs and Embiid seems to always CHOKE in the playoffs. This season- “ it’s a regular season award that’s why I’m voting for Taintyum” TAKE THIS MANS VOTE AWAY
😭😭😭😭He’s called JOKER for a reason. He should be playing RUGBY with that body and lack of coordination. 2 time MVP…F…ing laughing. Tell him to get in shape and look like a baller instead of blimp.
@@TomSkinner-cn7mg lol how small minded you must be to judge someone solely based on their appearance and not their character, merit, talent, heart. Gtfo clown.
@@TomSkinner-cn7mg you do realize joker played more minutes then anyone else in the playoffs last year? You do realize that every single season he plays in damn near every game? While whooping all your favorite players who “look like ballers” asses without breaking a sweat. Joker is one of the best conditioned athletes on the planet.
It's obvious why. They don't want it to go to another international player. Joel Embiid did what they wanted and sood out to play with USA so they were happy to gove him another. The next 4 candidates were all international. Jokic, Giannis, Luka and Shai. So they need it to go to an American, so now it's time to cook the books because if an American don't get one of the next 3.mvps, with Wemby looking the way he's looking, they might not get one for a decade plus.
Tatum is most definitely a top 5 player in the league. His resume speaks for itself. I’d agree with LOW if shai wasn’t in the conversation but here we are and shai is top 3 in votes. Tatum should’ve been in the race more last year but this year he should be in the conversation. It seems that these knocks only affect JT all the other candidates have all stars and all nba caliber players on their roster but Tatum is the only one that’s getting a knock for it. Make it make sense.
Jokic and Shai don’t even have all star or all nba teammates on the team with them and Luka was the only player on his own team that made the all star team this season
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m literally every other vote getter has an all star or all nba caliber player. All the previous mvps have the same. Embiid won last year with harden on his team who was leading the league in assists. Tatum has JB and he’s disqualified aite
Jayson Tatum is the most consistent star in the league and this narrative is getting way out of hand. Yall like seeing players play hero ball and want to see a guy either lift his sword or fall on it, he could lead the league in scoring, it's just not the best way to win games, 5 conference championship appearances in 6 years as the best player on your team since age 20 but he isn't good enough... Its really these guys bro like y'all point to stats like he's way behind, he isn't. I'm just glad it doesn't seem to carry much weight with JT because y'all just pick a narrative and run with it without even taking any opposing arguments into account
What opposing argument? Claiming that a guy who contributes less to wins over the course of a season than all the other MVP contenders, while his team has more wins, takes some serious mental gymnastics to achieve. His team is stacked. The worst starter is Jrue Holliday. That guy was the 2nd/3rd option on a team that actually won the chip.
27.1/8.6/4.8 for Tatum, shai 31.1/5.5/6.5, it's not like it's a huge difference there... If u had up it's 27.1/13.5 vs 31.1/12... But shai has the defense so it's not even close... Plus the efficiency .. Jokic is unbeatable statistically... What I don't understand is how having brown who is better than anyone the others have, is a case for Tatum as MVP 😂😂😂 SAS is wilding lol
I mean Tatum has defense too, but his individual impact hasn't been as much as Shai for his team. But fr like Tatum's playing with Jaylen, Jrue, Derrick White, Porzingis.....meanwhile Shai out there with Jalen Williams, Josh Giddey, Lu Dort, and Chet 😂 The talent and skill gap ain't even remotely close
@@Mptappin12 you just answered it lol And I never said it hurts or should hurt, I Said how does it make his case better.... How does having the only All star out of the 3 makes his case for MVP better than the others? Lol it's plain stupid
@@BT405 shai is probably gonna be an All defensive player this year Tatum is not even the better defensive player on his team... Playing with 2 All defensive players...
Jokic is VERY beatable STATISTICALLY, but the one player who can beat him has 0 influential advocates in NBA media or even the NBA Twitter/podsphere. Easiest argument to make is Giannis is an offensive statistical match and defensively superior. Last year he even had the best record in the entire league and still didn't even finish 2nd let alone win it.
I kind of empathize with Tatum on this one. Like he obviously cares about the award, so when someone like Windhorst mentions that the 22 finals could be affecting his perception around the league I see why he’d run with it. Not to even say Windhorst is wrong. A lot of Tatum’s perception right now does come back to how weirdly terrible he was in that finals. And a lot of voters probably do hold that against him. The biggest problem for me is that the voting is made up of people like Stephen A and Perkins, but also Zach Lowe types. And there’s not really a consistent method for what being an mvp means
it’s actually sad to see them try so hard to push an mvp candidate no one should consider. like i get it, boston has the best record. but tatum as a player is simply one step below embiid, jokic, and i’d throw luka in there too.
Low comparing tatum stats to jokic, luka and shai is hillarious because i bet he won't bring up Tatum's defense being by far the best out of those above him outside of giannis and the argument of "of course they're the best bc they built a superteam" is stupid because didn't Lebron win mvps in miami when they were easily considered if not the best, but one of the best teams in the league? What about MJ? I agree he doesn't deserve MVP but to use these as arguments is lazy imo
@@gabrielnieves9974 yeah bro i’m fs taking shai over tatum defensively 🤓 and he not making it bro ur wilding. jrue, d white n caruso pretty much have the guard positions locked up
I DisAgree with Low on the Fact he said Tatum ain’t Good Enough, Cause Tatum is Top 10 in the League & has Been for 4 Years Now!…Nash, WestBrick & Rose Won in the same Exact Situation!… When Nash Won; Kobe, LeBrick, Garnet, Nowitzki, Duncan & Melo were ALL Better!…When Rose Won it; Kobe, LeBrick, Melo, Dwight Howard, Dwyane Wade & Durant were ALL Better!…When WestBrick Won it; LeBrick, Harden, Durant, Curry & Kawhi were Better!…I Think SGA or Tatum Should Win it!…
Hot take: When the Talent pool is too much in the league, I can understand narratives playing a role in qualifying/disqualifying certain players. I don't think Tatum will win MVP, but if he wins a Title, the winning may sway some voters.
If you took Tatum off the Celtics, they'd be struggling to be good like the Warriors with Curry getting stumped by the Timberwolves. 😂 And why ain't Anthony Edwards name come to mind for you when talking that mvp shit? 🤔
What? The Celtics without Tatum are absolutely good enough to win 50 games. They have KP, JB, Jrue and DWhite. Even without JT that is still one of the best starting lineups in the league.
As a Dallas Mavericks fan I'm just conditioned to accept that Luka Doncic will not win the MVP and this season he really should have more looks this year
I’m a Boston fan and I wouldn’t consider Tatum the undeniable MVP but I definitely disagree with Low as far as how good Tatum is bruh is playing below what he would do on a team less stacked it’s sad to say but it seems that the only way Tatum gets recognition will be on a less talented team
Doesn't that happen though? Guys talk about that all the time -- it's hard to argue you're the most valuable player in the league when your own relative value to your own team is diminished, right? It would be one thing if Jayson Tatum was at least like, a Top 5 statistical or analytics performer (like LeBron with the stacked Heat) but Tatum is pretty far out of the peak production standards.
I mean Charles Barkley won mvp when Hakeem Olajuwon should (1993) Though that was literally 40 years ago. Tatum would be at minimum close to winning it. Now we got guys like Russ and Jokic setting up new mvp standards Than again he wouldn’t be putting up 27 9 & 5 in that slow of an era.
Bro LOW needs to be invited to debate these analysts. His pokes on their plot holes makes me so fucking angry that the analysts think their opinions are what really matters. When Stephen A. yelled out "GIANNIS?!" I fucking lost it my goodness
As a Celtics fan, Tatum is my guy, but I think he needs to do a little bit more stats wise to win an MVP. Although I look at these other guys, averaging all these crazy numbers, but it doesn’t translate to winning. Their team isn’t as good so of course they have a higher usage rate.
Well it all comes to most valuable player. He’s not that valuable when you have the best team around you. You could argue the big difference in this year Celtics is Derrick white moving to better roll on the team and of course porzingis. You see, Boston has so much offensive arsenal that there’s no defense that can keep op with that. They are the best team and the deepest roster in the NBA. That’s it.
@@DrcakesgamingTatum is just as valuable as any other player , if you wanna argue he doesn’t have to put up bigger stats because of his team compared to others , 100% but u can watch games and he makes the Celtics 100 times better , good teammates have never been a knock , like lebron in Miami , so why for Tatum?
Also you can’t really take anything LOW says about the Celtics and its players seriously. He was adamant that brown and Tatum be traded for butler or pg (both players who left the teams they were traded to mind you). A blunder of the highest order from his insights but will of course be overlooked. I cringed when this guy said that Giannis is a better defender than Tatum 🤦🏽♂️ smfh. The irony Tatum has to win a title before being considered in the mvp race is crazy, but shai has to have 1 winning season lololol these guys man
Im not argreeing with Steven but your point is also wrong.. Luka aint won nothing EVER but hes a SHOE IN for MVP every year.. Im sorry but fans are just as much to blame with why sports sucks.. Russell Westbrook TALENTED but when tf was HE a "DEFINITE" MVP canadiate??? Imo Americans ALWAYS have a weirdo obsession with glazing all things NOT American.. Like bro we know how many times people LEAD THE LEAUGE IN STATS but NOT even CONSIDERED MVP canidates??? By your logic why isnt Tyrese Haliburton not the MVP hands down??? And ill be honest its TOO much grifting with people in general.. How you saying dudes like Jokic thats won more MVPs in a row than MJ HIMSELF with just ONE RING WON disrespected.. Yet Anthony Edwards isnt even on this list or spoken on??? Its ALOT of "lack of context" on all ends here cause again if were speaking HONESTLY.. You did say Tatum doesnt deserve it in your opinion but your not exactly explaining how its a list of 5 MVPs canidates when the REAL future face of the leauge who took a habitual bottom dwellers out of proverty isnt.. In Ant man?? Or how Halis LITERALLY out here being the best PG ever averaging 2k level asst with 25+ points and also 5 boards being more efficent than weve ever seen with his 2nd best player for most season being Miles Turner all season... MVP means nothing now but a popularity contest.. Its not about actual talent or contribution.. Its who Adam wants people to like in the leauge (lbh Silver made being "International" his goal for the NBA.. 7 years straight basically ALL MVPs been International players no matter what.. Its not just chance).. Meanwhile the year before the shift happened nobody was saying "Give Russ his second MVP for averaging ANOTHER triple double for a season on a trash team".. But with Luka hes always a MVP canidate under that EXACT premise.. Just give it to who HELPED THIER TEAM IMPROVE THE MOST.. Cause wouldnt THAT show a players value???
you can't convince me that FOR 100% stephen A won't do anything possible to give the mvp to a black guy... yes, i'm stating his voting is ENTIRELY racially motivated... same thing for perkins, but he's outed himself so it's more obvious... now that you broke down the mvp votes there is no doubt in my mind.... Smith has never voted for jokic even when it was DISGUSTINGLY obvious that the mvp was his and this year, it's NOT about tatum at all, he is just desperately trying to put his vote on any black dude that's not jokic (i'm not even saying it SHOULD be jokic this year, i'm just saying that this is what he is avoiding doing)... anyone who would vote tatum over luka (for example) is absolutely nuts... and the idea that the mvp should just go to a player on the best team (best record, which by the way never ever EVER is automatically the best team) is absolutely indefensible.... it means players on 29 teams are automatically eliminated no matter what they did... so let's say every start on dallas gets hurt except luka... he averages a 45pt triple double for the season and they have a 43 win team, that would be so far and above outperforming any individual player and dragging a corpse of a team to a winning record, but he would be AUTOMATICALLY disqualified from mvp... it makes no sense.... this is not a legitimate basketball argument, best player on best team is not a thing
The reality is Tatum isn’t that valuable to his own team. They can make the playoffs without him. They need him for the finals and MAYBE a matchup vs Bucks or Heat. Tatum could go 5-21 … they still win easily. Nothing wrong with that. The other candidates teams ain’t shit without them. Not to mention statistically better. Jaylen brown , Derrick white, porzingis, Winning Games. Even Pritchard as of late been going crazy. Jrue guarding the best guards. Tatum just trying to make sure he is ready when the time comes.
My only problem with it is that MVP should never go to just “best record on best team.” It’s about VALUE. Derrick Rose, LeBron, Russ, Giannis (just to name a few), have all won their MVPs off being the true most valuable player on their team and in the entire league at one point or another.
if you take tatum off the celtics, all you got left is jaylen brown, part time porzingis, derick white and 2 guys thats retiring in a couple years You trusting that?
I like Tatum for MVP embid should be out of it cause he’s out for the rest of the year. He won’t win it but If im not mistaken he’s leading his team in points . A career high in assists as well has having to sacrifice some scoring cause they have KP. He’s well rounded offensively and can play excellent defense. It should either be Luka or SGA that should take it Jokic isn’t doing anything crazy that we haven’t already seen. To me it should be Luka , SGA , Tatum and joker in the rankings.
TBF Embiid got it largely because they didn't wanna give Jokic 3 straight, and in that case, yes, the nuggets had the 1 seed, so thats a bogus argument. No, guys don't HAVE to be the 1 seed to win MVP, they should be top 2, top 3 on a rough year (omitting massive outliers) but in theory, Jokic should have won his third, and the Nuggets were the 1 seed.
I’m not saying JT deserves to win MVP this year cause clearly the numbers don’t show that but to say he’s not a top 5 guy and calling a dude in Shai who just fuckin got here a “better player” than JT is just ridiculous man. Of course dude isn’t going to average 30+ a night when he’s got 4 other guys on the floor that can go and get you at least 20 at will. “Be a better player” basically yall just want him to be in this 30 ppg group like that’s the only criteria qualifying you to win the award it’s ridiculous
it's pretty simple The moment embiid got injured, Jokic became favorite to win MVP with SGA and Luka behind him. Once that happened they started this Tatum push because they don't want joker to get mvp number 3. Celtics been best team all season and no one ever mentioned Tatum then all of a sudden he leapfrogs everyone? add mitchell and brunson to that list
I love your FACTUAL content! I wonder how people who can get paid for the opinions and "knowledgeable" factual opinions, could then turn around and do their jobs in this emotional hater typa way...
Nba media is so racist. It must burn really bad that the top 3 players are all internationally born. Joki, Luka & Giannis are head and shoulders above Tatum + (SGA > Tatum anyways)
Sir Cap-a-lot is correct. I love how someone getting paid more than him is somehow more of a reason for him to get a mvp vote? Steven A still can't get over all his bad takes on Joker and Luka and Tatum like you said is not the best player, that's ridiculous. Also my boy Jimmy Buckets never gets his love.
So he is not good enough but playoff losers like SGA, Fluka, Edwards, and co are good enough? LMAO Stop capping, waste of time watching this video. Just say you are a Boston hater
Ngl u kinda gassing. The Celtics are so far above every other team that def matters. He’s a better defender then Luka sga n jokic by a lot too. If u been watching the Celtics the past couple weeks he’s rlly stepped up playmaking he’s been putting up 6+ assists almost every game plus his scoring. It’s not crazy to have Tatum in the discussion
They're probably trying to push Tatum as an MVP candidate because they're tired of these international players winning lol. The top 4 candidates above Tatum are all once again non-american players and if he wasn't injured you could've added Embiid since he might've repeated as MVP
Jason Tatum shouldn’t even be in this conversation. Everyone else (Jokic, Shai, Giannis, Luka) are doing way better then Tatum and should be above him in the race. All those players are doing better than Tatum in literally every stat. There isn’t one stat that Tatum is leading in and I think he’s only top 5 in one. Yes, team success matters but when you have other players performing this much better than Tatum, it isn’t a debate.
There are certain players that coaches have to game plan for…Jokic, Luka, Steff, Embiid…no coach is game planning for Tatum. The Celtics as a whole, yes, not him.
SAS is a clueless clown who doesnt even watch bbal. I still remember the clip where he said that "Jokic isnt a good post player" and JJ shut his mouth right after he said that with the fact that Joker is actually number 1 post player in the league. That everything says about SAS and his competency to speak about NBA in general.
Longevity has nothing to do with MVP Candidates or previous success/failure. Technically the MVP should go to a player that is elevating his team, but the voters going to vote for popular players.
Tatum would be better if he carried and traveled more. Out of all the stars in the league, his offensive game is the most fundamentally principled that I have seen. Given, I don't watch the NBA as much as I once did. Not because I think the league is worse. I don't necessarily like how loose and free the game has gotten because it seems to break the spirit of the game and how it was intended to be played but it is still as exciting as it ever was. It's more for personal reasons. However, off that tangent, when I watch other players, even Luka and Jokic, I see them travel all the time, or what I understand as a travel from days gone by. However, in reading the rules, I still think they're often traveling. I see Luka travel almost every time he gets a hand off before he goes up for a three and it never gets called. It's like he's a QB chopping his feet in the pocket. I don't see that from Tatum. He plays very clean. I'm sure there must be highlights of him traveling but a lot of "bags" from other stars seem to be based on the premise that they get to have more steps. Can't blame the players for that though, if you're not pushing the boundaries of the rules, someone who is, will beat you.
the "take X player of this team" logic is so dumb, most of the time they talk about Stef, but you could say that about literally every other dude and you get the same result. Oh, if you take the best player of a team, the team would be lower in the standings, no shit genius.
No, Tatum, you giant baby..it's because you lose all the big games against real teams...you're a mental case, a choke artist, you disappear under pressure. From a lifelong Celtics fan.
Who are them why people listen someone who vote depends on what leg he wake up Tatum can't be in this story Giannis deserve more then him Luka too and some people was nowhere half season and other half wake up so it's not correct to someone like Jokic who play from start till end at same high lvl! Jokic last year was even more deserve to be MVP and this year nobody is close to him! But invent "fatigue" that don't matter do we look how players play or I am not in mood for basket I will watch movie,if I don't watch game doesn't mean that player was have bad game!
They built the "no post-season success" argument to discredit Joker, because they believed he'll never win anything, and now they have to backtrack lol
If the mvp is a who is the most efficient and has the best stats award then imo its unfortunate. We let nash win 2 mvps and D rose got one when guys had better stats. All this flip flopping as to what narratives should be used. Lebron prob should have more mvps if thats the case. Most valuable should not only be about stats and efficiency. Your gonna turn the award into a big man award then cuz jokic embiid Giannis arent shooters like that and live in the paint 😂 they gon always be efficient.
I don’t agree with this take. Tatum is a top 5 player in this league, the numbers don’t pop out as much cause his team is stacked. Having the best record is still important. I get what you mean, I don’t like how the media dictates the MVP race, but Tatum is a bad example to argue it.
Tatum is really hoopin this year lol. Like he has gotten better. Best player on the best team. He has a case. I always thought this. He is definitely good enough
Mvp voting is always inconsistent and its always been narrative base. If mvp is about efficiency and stats then it will become a big man award only. Jokic giannis and embiid will always be more efficient jus due to position. For Tatum to win he gon need that steve nash D Rose type narrative
It's our fault we give them so much power why people can't vote? Why them? They are smarter then us? And we all see have much hidden racism in this sport! And beside that we have strong support for American player's even if they are worse if they are even we know who will get it!
Why you bringing up race? I’m not offended or anything but that seemed extremely unnecessary. If there is a reason I’m just not privy to that’s mb but it feels pretty meaningless to the video and like it’s there simply to virtue signal
More than anything, this is a prime example of how awful NBA media coverage is. The media coverage of the NFL actually is solid, meanwhile we as NBA fans get stuck with high school level dramatics and flip-flopping.
the nfl actually bring people that knows something about their sport obviously the nba just brings anybody in
nba coverage itself has seattle like what tom brady say "mediocrity" to the point we watch youtubers for neutral takes and have better overall opinions.
@@unphantom173what’s Seattle got to do with it
Nah, to be fair, there are a lot of wishy-washy contradictions on the NFL side as well.
the NBA is to blame for that as well. regressed so much i'd say since the pandemic (probably before that as well). don't even care to watch it anymore
The nba is hella cringe now and i say this as someone who used to love the nba. The league is such a soap opera now with how bad the media and players mentalities are
Stephen A really said "He's that dude" as an argument and Perk shook his head in agreement like he was spittin
I mean it could not be worse than "Because he scored 70!" imo
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
I do gotta say Tatum’s response was pretty level headed. Don’t let SAS get JT in trouble
Agreed. His response was actually great. It's important not to take the nonsense takes out on the player.
I think you hit the nail on the head. They want people to use ESPN BET and put money on Tatum because he is definitely going to lose the MVP race and thus those bets all go to ESPN wallet.
You dont even need to watch NBA. Luka has averaged 28.5 points, 8.6 rebounds and 8.2 assists per game in his career and Tatum has 23.0 points, 7.2 rebounds and 3.5 assists in his career. Diferents in huge.
They do this every season. It’s obvious candidates at the top, but they decide to sit there yelling about the 3rd or 4th guy for NO reason
They probably have a vested interest in the race for MVP being closer than it really is.
@user-wi7eg9sp1k yea it’s crazy how obvious it is. Luka, Jokic, Giannis, and Shai are all right there, but they want to talk about Tatum cuz he’s American. And Shai from Canada, that’s barely even foreign 😂
@user-wi7eg9sp1kCould Tatum be 6-10?
@@FatsAldridgeMe personally, I would like the MVP to go to the player with the best case for it, and wherever that player is from, so be it.
As for Tatum, he may not be an MVP, but I could see an All-NBA selection?
@@fortynights1513he will probably make 1st team all NBA but if Embiid didn’t get injured he would be 2nd team. Idk if I would put him 1st team even with Embiid out but you know that’s what they’ll probably do. Jokic, Shai, Giannis, Luka all pretty much guaranteed to be in.
SAS is a clown. Tatum’s ONLY case is his team’s record, and when the roster is so stacked that Jrue Holiday is a 5th option, that “winning” narrative doesn’t even carry any weight 😂😂
No one said that when he was playing with Giannis...
No. His stats are good enough, he’s the best player on the best team.
Winning a title wasn’t a criteria for Giannis and Joker before they won and certainly not Embiid, because Boston owns them.
Best player on best team > great player that isn’t winning jack squat should count more.
Yes low they are voters bruh! They have influence
Idk how people don’t understand the basic idea that having better players on your team diminishes an individual’s value to a team.
KD was never as valuable to the Warriors as he was to the Thunder.
Even if someone’s stats or skills increase on a more stacked team, their value in relation to the team will necessarily diminish.
IMO jokic or SGA should win the MVP. Guys like Tatum or kawhi play with too many stars to call them “the most valuable player”
@@juliothom2408 Everyone on the mvp list is a More Valuable Player than Tatum.
What’s the difference between this channel and the LOW post i’m genuinely asking
he's trying to make as much money as possible by asking the same subs to go to all his similar in content channels. scummy tactic
@@jacobmcklowski4428lololol I hate that the truth is that funny 😭😭 money over everything man
@@jacobmcklowski4428 getting more content is scummy???
The LOW post is daily news
Foot on the Line is more critiquing NBA media and people who are prominent figures
@@jacobmcklowski4428my guess is that he probably had a plan for this channel and how the content would differ but got too lazy/gave up on the idea but cannot delete/abandon this the channel for obvious reasons
These people just HATE Europeans don't they? Stephen A could've said Tatum had the most aura and that would've been enough to convince Perk.
They hate WHITE people. They consider it a "black" league. Get that hate out your hearts.
Unfortunately, you are right. Gil's Arena is the same way. My mother (who's around the same age) is the same way too. Pretty ridiculous that they are openly showing Xenophobia. It's like they forgot where they came from and how they were treated in the past...🤦🏾♀
it's not all black analysts AT ALL.. but i am 100% convinced that SMith's and perkins votes are racially biased... and yes, racist too...
and i don't even mind that as much as the fact that they would deny it... stand by your horse shit
Da fuck you on about? The last 3 mvps were not born in the USA. Youare listening to are a very small vocal minority.
There's a reason why they have a vote, and you don't. I mean seriously you think you know more then ex players.
You should pull your head out your butt and come up for air.
Tatum has beat them all. He either has a winning record against the elites or he about to take the tiebreaker, and wins are the most important stat.
Crazy How Shannon makes the most sense out of all of them lmao
Shannon remembers what happened to Lebron AD and the Lakers last year
I agree with you LOW and I have for years, Giannis and Jokic are probably the most disrespected superstars in NBA history, damn sure recent history. This dude said Tatum should win MVP "because HE'S THAT DUDE", like wtf are we talking about here, aura? Fact is there are legit 3 guys ahead of Tatum for MVP and that's Jokic, SGA, and Giannis period.
Luka is higher than Tatum too
@@joshahlstrom2764luka is in 8th seed so no lol
@@TheJwalk1234 then the conversation is only between Jokic, Giannis, and Shai.
Uhh Luka is by far the most disrespected
@@robbiecleighmarks3088 I think the NBA should just come out make a rule that you have to be a 6 seed or higher for MVP consideration (not play-in or lower) just to end the debate.
Isnt it obvious that they are just trying to get more people to bet Tatum will win so espn can collect when he doesnt? Why else bring up ESPN bet?
I don’t want to make an official statement, but I find it convenient that SAS and Perk said that Tatum, American, is the new MVP favorite, while the four players that are above him in the race are all foreign players. 🧐
They’re old heads trying to deny the fact that an American guy is not the best player behind the classic “best player on the best team” argument. That argument is only valid in a tight mvp race. Not in a year where you have guys putting up historic numbers
Racism?
@@tropickman That too.
The fact that he is bigger favorite than Kawhi or Brunson is laughable
He has a better record and stats than Kawhi and Brunson
@s2l4t9 stop it. Tatum was the reason Celtics lost to Minnesota and Nuggets. Those teams are their actual competition.not somebody in the East.
@@nikolayjerev9285 he Drop 45 on Minnesota in OT the second time they played and won, the Clippers have yet to beat either fytb
how
@@nikolayjerev9285 lol u dont watch celtics games pipe down lil guy
People try to whine about advanced stats, but almost every single MVP winner in league history is top 5-10 in Win Shares, Win Shares/48, BPM and VORP. The rare exceptions are guys who we usually think *didn't* deserve it like Steve Nash. Tatum is not top 10 in any of those stats, so I think it's pretty simple why he doesn't have a case.
You are correct, since 2012 the leader of advanced stats wins MVP
@@lenzoltan No it's not just since 2012, you can keep going back and the trend holds. I went as far back as 2000 but even before then it holds
@@shepardice3775Not that he’s necessarily better, but I recall seeing Porzingis ahead of Tatum in some advanced stats when I looked.
I think there’s one big reason why Stephen A and Perk want Jayson Tatum to win MVP and it’s not because of his performance.
Because he's black and American.
@@kofiboakye6173 thank you.
man, im a Celtics fan, and they just dont want Luka or Jokic winning the MVP. probably the same situation as last season. smh
He b black
Obsession 😂
LUKA is truly the MVP. Kept his team afloat while his starters missed 70 games. Triple more than the next MVP candidate and are within 1 game of the 5th seed and 5 games from the 2nd seed. Mavs might get a top 4 seed by the end of the season.
BS that is total CAPPING ….WTF have you been???? Taking all those Terrible Shots, turnovers and No Damn Defense period. Hell if it wasn’t for Kai Dallas would be out of the damn Playoffs picture period. Thanks to Kai and the other Dallas Team Players they will make the Playoffs period. Stop 🛑 giving Luka credit he doesn’t deserve at ALL. Kai got his Azzz looking to pass now before just comings down the court dribbling the hell out of the ball and forcing a DA Shot. Nobody truly wants to PLAY with Luka!!!!
@@SoloLLC don't speak on my team you don't even know what you talking about. Watch basketball my guy
@@TheGarciaKidd WTF are you???? I speak on what I want to speak on period. I said what I said and I damn mean it….now what….you can’t handle the TRUTH????
@@SoloLLCbro Kai has missed almost half of the current played games how tf is he keeping them in contention ????
@@SoloLLCKai has missed almost half of the season so far… How TF has he exactly kept them afloat?
A bit of delusion is the key to success
you didn’t even mention how stephen voted jokic 2nd when the nuggets were the 6th seed that year
Boston Celtics; the ESPN champions three years running.
not true at all but pop off
They’ve played some good regular seasons, but haven’t gone all the way yet
LOW I MISS YOUR STREAMS ALSO WHAT HAPPENED TO PLAYBACK??? Did agent ruin a good thing AGAIN???
Facts what happened
True what happened…
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Fr what happened
Exactly what happened
they need to strip Perkins and Smith of their voting privileges and give them to you. because you are actually very knowledgeable, non-prejudice, and a very logical analyst. We all know Luka will be the real MVP but we know how SAS and Fat Perk feel about them white folk and I'm asian.
Not saying he deserves the MVP but the way people talk about Tatum is crazy disrespectful.
Compared to the other guys in the NBA race it’s not even close, he’s miles behind right now.
You don’t like Tatum
Awful takes about Tatum but I’m not shocked. Going to the playoffs every since his rookie year no matter who was on the team hurts u I guess. Either Records matter or they don’t . Different excuses every year.
I don't get why the NBA is allowing sports media personnel to vote on the NBA MVP when they could include players and coach or other league personnel so the opinion isn't so one sided by personality. The voter fatigue as well plays a roll in why people don't want to give Giannis or Jokic MVP.
Looking at the comments, it's clear alot of people don't know the history of the NBA. Historically, it's an award that goes to the best player on a team that finishes top 3 in their conference. There have only been a handful of exceptions. I got 1.SGA 2.Tatum 3.Jokic 4. Giannis🤷🏾♂️
Except jovik and embeid just won MVPs before they won a championship? Tatum sends embeid home in the playoffs every year. Tatum scored 46 in an elimination game at Philly and scored 50+ on an elimination game in Milwaukee. Tatum gets penalized for being on a good team I believe but Tatum has been in the eastern conference finals like 5 of 6 years since he entered the league and people forget his only 25/26. He was 23 in that finals. How did lebron do.in his first finals?
jayson tatum needs to become a villain. he needs the league to turn on him and needs to embrace it. he needs to really lose, not just come up short. he came into a smooth sailing team (apart from kyrie) and it’s been solid ever since. in his mind he’s probably always gonna be a 1st to 3rd seed so I think he’s complacent and the franchise reflects that. he needs that hunger. something needs to light a fire under him that’ll translate to the rest of the team like his college days. he wants to be like kobe and takes everything from kobe, now he’s gotta learn the way kobe did.
It’s simple he’s has not had the best seasons. He has a great team but he has the best roster in the entire league probably so he’s doesn’t have to do as much as other players. Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, and Luka are consistently better than him. I’d still probably take Steph, KD, and Lebron over him at the moment. He has a lot inconsistency in the playoffs and has been outplayed by Jimmy Butler in several playoffs series despite having better supporting cast. Jayson Tatum is very talented player but there has never been a season where you could call him the best player in the league or had the best season for him to be a top MVP candidate.
It gets what you're trying to say and all, but isn't that the way/reason why Steph Curry won his first MVP?
Best player on the best team has always been a go to argument for MVP when there is no clear cut person having an all time year or something of that sort.
LOW attacks and critiques a lot of stuff bases on opinion, which is ironic because he is critiquing opinions. kinda cringe
i look at tatum like i do lamar jackson , dont matter what his stats are ive seen the dude choke way to many times to be the mvp . these 2 guys look unstoppable when the game doesnt matter but soon as there is a lil pressure they play the worse they ever have lol
Bruh embiid has folded in the playoffs the last like 3-4 years💀and tatum hasn’t had as many bad performances as lamar jackson at all that’s a bad comparison imo. Tatum has had bad games… but “choked” is lowkey a stretch. I can remember maybe 2-3 playoff games where tatum played bad but embiid has definitely had more bad playoff games.
Lamar Jackson has won MVP’s.
Ok I can't agree with you on this one. Tatum is completely deserving of an MVP, and fleeing the best player on the best team should matter. Also you can't say "Tatum can't be MVP because he is expected to do good, his team is expected to win" that's bs. 27, 8, Ballin on both sides and having the absolute best record, should matter.
Record is a team stat. He contributes less to wins, even though his team has more of them. How does that make you MVP?
If Mitchell and Booker didnt deserve MVP, then Tatum and SGA dont deserve it. Its always been Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka (maybe Steph and KD for a year or two), for the last 5 years. To vote anyone else is just blasphemy. SGA being over Giannis and Luka in the race is even worse than whatever spot Tatum is in.
Perkins last season “you need to take post season success into account that’s why I’m voting for Embiid over jokic” meanwhile Joker every year RAISES his game in the playoffs and Embiid seems to always CHOKE in the playoffs.
This season- “ it’s a regular season award that’s why I’m voting for Taintyum” TAKE THIS MANS VOTE AWAY
😭😭😭😭He’s called JOKER for a reason. He should be playing RUGBY with that body and lack of coordination. 2 time MVP…F…ing laughing. Tell him to get in shape and look like a baller instead of blimp.
@@TomSkinner-cn7mg You're braindead.
@@TomSkinner-cn7mg lol how small minded you must be to judge someone solely based on their appearance and not their character, merit, talent, heart. Gtfo clown.
@@TomSkinner-cn7mg you do realize joker played more minutes then anyone else in the playoffs last year? You do realize that every single season he plays in damn near every game? While whooping all your favorite players who “look like ballers” asses without breaking a sweat. Joker is one of the best conditioned athletes on the planet.
It's obvious why. They don't want it to go to another international player. Joel Embiid did what they wanted and sood out to play with USA so they were happy to gove him another. The next 4 candidates were all international. Jokic, Giannis, Luka and Shai. So they need it to go to an American, so now it's time to cook the books because if an American don't get one of the next 3.mvps, with Wemby looking the way he's looking, they might not get one for a decade plus.
Tatum is most definitely a top 5 player in the league. His resume speaks for itself. I’d agree with LOW if shai wasn’t in the conversation but here we are and shai is top 3 in votes. Tatum should’ve been in the race more last year but this year he should be in the conversation. It seems that these knocks only affect JT all the other candidates have all stars and all nba caliber players on their roster but Tatum is the only one that’s getting a knock for it. Make it make sense.
Jokic and Shai don’t even have all star or all nba teammates on the team with them and Luka was the only player on his own team that made the all star team this season
He’s not a top 5 either.
What resume? What has Tatum won? Mr Streaky and Mr inconsistent himself
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mJamal? J-Dub and Chet? They weren’t named all stars but they definitely play at an all star level.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m literally every other vote getter has an all star or all nba caliber player. All the previous mvps have the same. Embiid won last year with harden on his team who was leading the league in assists. Tatum has JB and he’s disqualified aite
this guy knows more about basketball than espn analytics.
Jayson Tatum is the most consistent star in the league and this narrative is getting way out of hand. Yall like seeing players play hero ball and want to see a guy either lift his sword or fall on it, he could lead the league in scoring, it's just not the best way to win games, 5 conference championship appearances in 6 years as the best player on your team since age 20 but he isn't good enough... Its really these guys bro like y'all point to stats like he's way behind, he isn't. I'm just glad it doesn't seem to carry much weight with JT because y'all just pick a narrative and run with it without even taking any opposing arguments into account
What opposing argument? Claiming that a guy who contributes less to wins over the course of a season than all the other MVP contenders, while his team has more wins, takes some serious mental gymnastics to achieve. His team is stacked. The worst starter is Jrue Holliday. That guy was the 2nd/3rd option on a team that actually won the chip.
Shai isn’t a top 5 to 3 players either. So your opinion is hypocritical🤡 but go on
27.1/8.6/4.8 for Tatum, shai 31.1/5.5/6.5, it's not like it's a huge difference there... If u had up it's 27.1/13.5 vs 31.1/12... But shai has the defense so it's not even close... Plus the efficiency
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Jokic is unbeatable statistically...
What I don't understand is how having brown who is better than anyone the others have, is a case for Tatum as MVP 😂😂😂 SAS is wilding lol
Well, Tatum’s team is a little bit better so his usage rate isn’t gonna be as high. Jaylen Brown is good but why should that hurt his MVP case
I mean Tatum has defense too, but his individual impact hasn't been as much as Shai for his team. But fr like Tatum's playing with Jaylen, Jrue, Derrick White, Porzingis.....meanwhile Shai out there with Jalen Williams, Josh Giddey, Lu Dort, and Chet 😂 The talent and skill gap ain't even remotely close
@@Mptappin12 you just answered it lol
And I never said it hurts or should hurt, I Said how does it make his case better.... How does having the only All star out of the 3 makes his case for MVP better than the others? Lol it's plain stupid
@@BT405 shai is probably gonna be an All defensive player this year Tatum is not even the better defensive player on his team... Playing with 2 All defensive players...
Jokic is VERY beatable STATISTICALLY, but the one player who can beat him has 0 influential advocates in NBA media or even the NBA Twitter/podsphere. Easiest argument to make is Giannis is an offensive statistical match and defensively superior.
Last year he even had the best record in the entire league and still didn't even finish 2nd let alone win it.
I kind of empathize with Tatum on this one. Like he obviously cares about the award, so when someone like Windhorst mentions that the 22 finals could be affecting his perception around the league I see why he’d run with it.
Not to even say Windhorst is wrong. A lot of Tatum’s perception right now does come back to how weirdly terrible he was in that finals. And a lot of voters probably do hold that against him.
The biggest problem for me is that the voting is made up of people like Stephen A and Perkins, but also Zach Lowe types. And there’s not really a consistent method for what being an mvp means
Lebron in Miami was leader of the advanced stats. Tatum barely makes top 20. In the age of analytics advanced stats wins MVP.
it’s actually sad to see them try so hard to push an mvp candidate no one should consider. like i get it, boston has the best record. but tatum as a player is simply one step below embiid, jokic, and i’d throw luka in there too.
Tatum is definitely top 5 right after Luka at 4
Low comparing tatum stats to jokic, luka and shai is hillarious because i bet he won't bring up Tatum's defense being by far the best out of those above him outside of giannis and the argument of "of course they're the best bc they built a superteam" is stupid because didn't Lebron win mvps in miami when they were easily considered if not the best, but one of the best teams in the league? What about MJ? I agree he doesn't deserve MVP but to use these as arguments is lazy imo
Lebron in Miami was leader of the advanced stats. Tatum barely makes top 20. In the age of analytics advanced stats wins MVP.
I think you should check the defensive stats again😂
SGA is probably making an all-defensive team this season, Tatum isn’t. Check your facts
@@gabrielnieves9974 yeah bro i’m fs taking shai over tatum defensively 🤓 and he not making it bro ur wilding. jrue, d white n caruso pretty much have the guard positions locked up
Anyone but Jokic.. it’s crazy 😂
ANY ONE BUT LUKA & GIANNIS IS CRAZY
I DisAgree with Low on the Fact he said Tatum ain’t Good Enough, Cause Tatum is Top 10 in the League & has Been for 4 Years Now!…Nash, WestBrick & Rose Won in the same Exact Situation!…
When Nash Won; Kobe, LeBrick, Garnet, Nowitzki, Duncan & Melo were ALL Better!…When Rose Won it; Kobe, LeBrick, Melo, Dwight Howard, Dwyane Wade & Durant were ALL Better!…When WestBrick Won it; LeBrick, Harden, Durant, Curry & Kawhi were Better!…I Think SGA or Tatum Should Win it!…
How is Spida not top 5? 28-5-5 2nd in steals 2nd seed in east
Does anybody know LOW deleted that MPJ/WNBA vid?
Are you sure he deleted it or it got copyrighted?
What was it about?
@@Mvfasalwaysidk maybe it did get copyrighted
@@shawnhoops9168basically reacting MPJs comments on the wnba and then reacting to a wnba players reaction to MPJs comments
Hot take: When the Talent pool is too much in the league, I can understand narratives playing a role in qualifying/disqualifying certain players. I don't think Tatum will win MVP, but if he wins a Title, the winning may sway some voters.
LeBron won MVPS on The Heat with Wade& Bosh so calling The Celtics is ridiculous they have 2 all stars
If you took Tatum off the Celtics, they'd be struggling to be good like the Warriors with Curry getting stumped by the Timberwolves. 😂 And why ain't Anthony Edwards name come to mind for you when talking that mvp shit? 🤔
What? The Celtics without Tatum are absolutely good enough to win 50 games. They have KP, JB, Jrue and DWhite. Even without JT that is still one of the best starting lineups in the league.
As a Dallas Mavericks fan I'm just conditioned to accept that Luka Doncic will not win the MVP and this season he really should have more looks this year
I’m a Boston fan and I wouldn’t consider Tatum the undeniable MVP but I definitely disagree with Low as far as how good Tatum is bruh is playing below what he would do on a team less stacked it’s sad to say but it seems that the only way Tatum gets recognition will be on a less talented team
Doesn't that happen though? Guys talk about that all the time -- it's hard to argue you're the most valuable player in the league when your own relative value to your own team is diminished, right?
It would be one thing if Jayson Tatum was at least like, a Top 5 statistical or analytics performer (like LeBron with the stacked Heat) but Tatum is pretty far out of the peak production standards.
I mean Charles Barkley won mvp when Hakeem Olajuwon should (1993)
Though that was literally 40 years ago. Tatum would be at minimum close to winning it.
Now we got guys like Russ and Jokic setting up new mvp standards
Than again he wouldn’t be putting up 27 9 & 5 in that slow of an era.
yall d ride these euro so hard
They don't want a non-american 3 time MVP. Sorry Jokic and Giannis.
Bro LOW needs to be invited to debate these analysts. His pokes on their plot holes makes me so fucking angry that the analysts think their opinions are what really matters. When Stephen A. yelled out "GIANNIS?!" I fucking lost it my goodness
As a Celtics fan, Tatum is my guy, but I think he needs to do a little bit more stats wise to win an MVP. Although I look at these other guys, averaging all these crazy numbers, but it doesn’t translate to winning. Their team isn’t as good so of course they have a higher usage rate.
Well it all comes to most valuable player. He’s not that valuable when you have the best team around you. You could argue the big difference in this year Celtics is Derrick white moving to better roll on the team and of course porzingis. You see, Boston has so much offensive arsenal that there’s no defense that can keep op with that. They are the best team and the deepest roster in the NBA. That’s it.
@@DrcakesgamingTatum is just as valuable as any other player , if you wanna argue he doesn’t have to put up bigger stats because of his team compared to others , 100% but u can watch games and he makes the Celtics 100 times better , good teammates have never been a knock , like lebron in Miami , so why for Tatum?
@@revampmusic56
Lebron in Miami was leader of the advanced stats. Tatum barely makes top 20. In the age of analytics advanced stats wins MVP.
News flash. Jayson Tatum is not winning the MVP even if the media pushes him.
You don’t know how powerful the media is
@@hokagegod8790 the media didn’t like Aaron Rodgers after the whole vaccine nonsense. He still won back to back MVPs.
Also you can’t really take anything LOW says about the Celtics and its players seriously. He was adamant that brown and Tatum be traded for butler or pg (both players who left the teams they were traded to mind you). A blunder of the highest order from his insights but will of course be overlooked. I cringed when this guy said that Giannis is a better defender than Tatum 🤦🏽♂️ smfh. The irony Tatum has to win a title before being considered in the mvp race is crazy, but shai has to have 1 winning season lololol these guys man
Im not argreeing with Steven but your point is also wrong..
Luka aint won nothing EVER but hes a SHOE IN for MVP every year.. Im sorry but fans are just as much to blame with why sports sucks.. Russell Westbrook TALENTED but when tf was HE a "DEFINITE" MVP canadiate???
Imo Americans ALWAYS have a weirdo obsession with glazing all things NOT American.. Like bro we know how many times people LEAD THE LEAUGE IN STATS but NOT even CONSIDERED MVP canidates???
By your logic why isnt Tyrese Haliburton not the MVP hands down??? And ill be honest its TOO much grifting with people in general..
How you saying dudes like Jokic thats won more MVPs in a row than MJ HIMSELF with just ONE RING WON disrespected.. Yet Anthony Edwards isnt even on this list or spoken on???
Its ALOT of "lack of context" on all ends here cause again if were speaking HONESTLY.. You did say Tatum doesnt deserve it in your opinion but your not exactly explaining how its a list of 5 MVPs canidates when the REAL future face of the leauge who took a habitual bottom dwellers out of proverty isnt.. In Ant man??
Or how Halis LITERALLY out here being the best PG ever averaging 2k level asst with 25+ points and also 5 boards being more efficent than weve ever seen with his 2nd best player for most season being Miles Turner all season...
MVP means nothing now but a popularity contest.. Its not about actual talent or contribution.. Its who Adam wants people to like in the leauge (lbh Silver made being "International" his goal for the NBA.. 7 years straight basically ALL MVPs been International players no matter what.. Its not just chance).. Meanwhile the year before the shift happened nobody was saying "Give Russ his second MVP for averaging ANOTHER triple double for a season on a trash team"..
But with Luka hes always a MVP canidate under that EXACT premise..
Just give it to who HELPED THIER TEAM IMPROVE THE MOST.. Cause wouldnt THAT show a players value???
you can't convince me that FOR 100% stephen A won't do anything possible to give the mvp to a black guy... yes, i'm stating his voting is ENTIRELY racially motivated... same thing for perkins, but he's outed himself so it's more obvious... now that you broke down the mvp votes there is no doubt in my mind.... Smith has never voted for jokic even when it was DISGUSTINGLY obvious that the mvp was his and this year, it's NOT about tatum at all, he is just desperately trying to put his vote on any black dude that's not jokic (i'm not even saying it SHOULD be jokic this year, i'm just saying that this is what he is avoiding doing)...
anyone who would vote tatum over luka (for example) is absolutely nuts... and the idea that the mvp should just go to a player on the best team (best record, which by the way never ever EVER is automatically the best team) is absolutely indefensible.... it means players on 29 teams are automatically eliminated no matter what they did... so let's say every start on dallas gets hurt except luka... he averages a 45pt triple double for the season and they have a 43 win team, that would be so far and above outperforming any individual player and dragging a corpse of a team to a winning record, but he would be AUTOMATICALLY disqualified from mvp... it makes no sense.... this is not a legitimate basketball argument, best player on best team is not a thing
The reality is Tatum isn’t that valuable to his own team. They can make the playoffs without him. They need him for the finals and MAYBE a matchup vs Bucks or Heat. Tatum could go 5-21 … they still win easily. Nothing wrong with that. The other candidates teams ain’t shit without them. Not to mention statistically better. Jaylen brown , Derrick white, porzingis, Winning Games. Even Pritchard as of late been going crazy. Jrue guarding the best guards. Tatum just trying to make sure he is ready when the time comes.
Bro you said that Tatum was good enough but he has not off the better players in the league in the playoffs... Giannis, Embiid, K.D
My only problem with it is that MVP should never go to just “best record on best team.” It’s about VALUE. Derrick Rose, LeBron, Russ, Giannis (just to name a few), have all won their MVPs off being the true most valuable player on their team and in the entire league at one point or another.
if you take tatum off the celtics, all you got left is jaylen brown, part time porzingis, derick white and 2 guys thats retiring in a couple years
You trusting that?
I like Tatum for MVP embid should be out of it cause he’s out for the rest of the year. He won’t win it but If im not mistaken he’s leading his team in points . A career high in assists as well has having to sacrifice some scoring cause they have KP. He’s well rounded offensively and can play excellent defense. It should either be Luka or SGA that should take it Jokic isn’t doing anything crazy that we haven’t already seen. To me it should be Luka , SGA , Tatum and joker in the rankings.
JT the MVP. everybody wants to praise the white guy.JT is the all around truth.All I hear is Luka Luka Luka.FOH
Celtics Let’s Gittit’
TBF Embiid got it largely because they didn't wanna give Jokic 3 straight, and in that case, yes, the nuggets had the 1 seed, so thats a bogus argument. No, guys don't HAVE to be the 1 seed to win MVP, they should be top 2, top 3 on a rough year (omitting massive outliers) but in theory, Jokic should have won his third, and the Nuggets were the 1 seed.
I’m not saying JT deserves to win MVP this year cause clearly the numbers don’t show that but to say he’s not a top 5 guy and calling a dude in Shai who just fuckin got here a “better player” than JT is just ridiculous man. Of course dude isn’t going to average 30+ a night when he’s got 4 other guys on the floor that can go and get you at least 20 at will. “Be a better player” basically yall just want him to be in this 30 ppg group like that’s the only criteria qualifying you to win the award it’s ridiculous
it's pretty simple
The moment embiid got injured, Jokic became favorite to win MVP with SGA and Luka behind him. Once that happened they started this Tatum push because they don't want joker to get mvp number 3.
Celtics been best team all season and no one ever mentioned Tatum then all of a sudden he leapfrogs everyone? add mitchell and brunson to that list
I love your FACTUAL content! I wonder how people who can get paid for the opinions and "knowledgeable" factual opinions, could then turn around and do their jobs in this emotional hater typa way...
Lebron and jokic, Giannis won mvps before actually winning a chip. There are players who should’ve won MVPs before just due to favoritism in the media
Nba media is so racist. It must burn really bad that the top 3 players are all internationally born. Joki, Luka & Giannis are head and shoulders above Tatum + (SGA > Tatum anyways)
Sir Cap-a-lot is correct. I love how someone getting paid more than him is somehow more of a reason for him to get a mvp vote? Steven A still can't get over all his bad takes on Joker and Luka and Tatum like you said is not the best player, that's ridiculous. Also my boy Jimmy Buckets never gets his love.
So he is not good enough but playoff losers like SGA, Fluka, Edwards, and co are good enough? LMAO Stop capping, waste of time watching this video. Just say you are a Boston hater
Ngl u kinda gassing. The Celtics are so far above every other team that def matters. He’s a better defender then Luka sga n jokic by a lot too. If u been watching the Celtics the past couple weeks he’s rlly stepped up playmaking he’s been putting up 6+ assists almost every game plus his scoring. It’s not crazy to have Tatum in the discussion
They're probably trying to push Tatum as an MVP candidate because they're tired of these international players winning lol. The top 4 candidates above Tatum are all once again non-american players and if he wasn't injured you could've added Embiid since he might've repeated as MVP
Jason Tatum shouldn’t even be in this conversation. Everyone else (Jokic, Shai, Giannis, Luka) are doing way better then Tatum and should be above him in the race. All those players are doing better than Tatum in literally every stat. There isn’t one stat that Tatum is leading in and I think he’s only top 5 in one. Yes, team success matters but when you have other players performing this much better than Tatum, it isn’t a debate.
Tatum literally has the highest paid player of all time, a champion Jrue Holiday, & a 7’2” 1st Round 4th Pick in his starting line, he’s not the MVP 😂
If the celtics win 60+ games Jayson tatum should be favor to win MVP. Same way giannis won the 2019 mvp race.
There are certain players that coaches have to game plan for…Jokic, Luka, Steff, Embiid…no coach is game planning for Tatum. The Celtics as a whole, yes, not him.
SAS is a clueless clown who doesnt even watch bbal. I still remember the clip where he said that "Jokic isnt a good post player" and JJ shut his mouth right after he said that with the fact that Joker is actually number 1 post player in the league. That everything says about SAS and his competency to speak about NBA in general.
Longevity has nothing to do with MVP Candidates or previous success/failure. Technically the MVP should go to a player that is elevating his team, but the voters going to vote for popular players.
so painful to have 3 black men talking there at (Shannon) the only one who is trying to make sense doesn´t get to speak...
Tatum would be better if he carried and traveled more. Out of all the stars in the league, his offensive game is the most fundamentally principled that I have seen. Given, I don't watch the NBA as much as I once did. Not because I think the league is worse. I don't necessarily like how loose and free the game has gotten because it seems to break the spirit of the game and how it was intended to be played but it is still as exciting as it ever was. It's more for personal reasons. However, off that tangent, when I watch other players, even Luka and Jokic, I see them travel all the time, or what I understand as a travel from days gone by. However, in reading the rules, I still think they're often traveling. I see Luka travel almost every time he gets a hand off before he goes up for a three and it never gets called. It's like he's a QB chopping his feet in the pocket. I don't see that from Tatum. He plays very clean. I'm sure there must be highlights of him traveling but a lot of "bags" from other stars seem to be based on the premise that they get to have more steps. Can't blame the players for that though, if you're not pushing the boundaries of the rules, someone who is, will beat you.
I love your content, but bro, you sleeping joel Embiid He’s clearly the MVP in the league. The most unguardable player his only weakness is health
the "take X player of this team" logic is so dumb, most of the time they talk about Stef, but you could say that about literally every other dude and you get the same result. Oh, if you take the best player of a team, the team would be lower in the standings, no shit genius.
No, Tatum, you giant baby..it's because you lose all the big games against real teams...you're a mental case, a choke artist, you disappear under pressure. From a lifelong Celtics fan.
Who are them why people listen someone who vote depends on what leg he wake up Tatum can't be in this story Giannis deserve more then him Luka too and some people was nowhere half season and other half wake up so it's not correct to someone like Jokic who play from start till end at same high lvl! Jokic last year was even more deserve to be MVP and this year nobody is close to him! But invent "fatigue" that don't matter do we look how players play or I am not in mood for basket I will watch movie,if I don't watch game doesn't mean that player was have bad game!
They built the "no post-season success" argument to discredit Joker, because they believed he'll never win anything, and now they have to backtrack lol
Never forget why Perkins didn't think Jokic was MVP las year. Mark Jackson didn't even put Jokic in his top 5
If the mvp is a who is the most efficient and has the best stats award then imo its unfortunate. We let nash win 2 mvps and D rose got one when guys had better stats. All this flip flopping as to what narratives should be used. Lebron prob should have more mvps if thats the case. Most valuable should not only be about stats and efficiency. Your gonna turn the award into a big man award then cuz jokic embiid Giannis arent shooters like that and live in the paint 😂 they gon always be efficient.
I don’t agree with this take. Tatum is a top 5 player in this league, the numbers don’t pop out as much cause his team is stacked. Having the best record is still important. I get what you mean, I don’t like how the media dictates the MVP race, but Tatum is a bad example to argue it.
Tatum is really hoopin this year lol. Like he has gotten better. Best player on the best team. He has a case. I always thought this. He is definitely good enough
Mvp voting is always inconsistent and its always been narrative base. If mvp is about efficiency and stats then it will become a big man award only. Jokic giannis and embiid will always be more efficient jus due to position. For Tatum to win he gon need that steve nash D Rose type narrative
It's our fault we give them so much power why people can't vote? Why them? They are smarter then us? And we all see have much hidden racism in this sport! And beside that we have strong support for American player's even if they are worse if they are even we know who will get it!
The MVP race has always been a sham. Lebron got two MVPs while Kobe won back to back championships. Steve Nash has more than shaq. Lol
Why you bringing up race? I’m not offended or anything but that seemed extremely unnecessary. If there is a reason I’m just not privy to that’s mb but it feels pretty meaningless to the video and like it’s there simply to virtue signal