Sorry Packy, but no grips for me. So I have used both until the late 90's, and thats when i switched to no grips, and the feeling is way better for me. Now really this is all personal preference. Some likes no grips, some likes it with grips. It all depends on what you're looking for as well as feel.
I like the feel of no grips. When I used grips, every ball in my bag had a different level of wear on the grips, so each ball felt different when I would switch back and forth. I also think my rev rate is a little higher without grips.
There's two simple ways to fix the issue with uneven wear on the grips between your different balls. Either always throw the same amount of shots with each ball or replace the grips after every use.
Once I discovered grips never went back and saved my fingertips I'm two handed right handed. Normal rev rate I'd say 525 ish when my back is sore. If I'm feeling good, I have a better follow through I can easily pull 575 and I imagine 600 if I rip it
I feel like no grips is fine with a conventional drilling, but you really want grips for fingertip drilling for the feel and comfort. I'm not convinced that either one gives you any more power or finesse. I see it as a personal preference, but I have found that the rubber of the grips is a nicer feel than the outer core material of the ball.
Obviously it feels better. But I've heard from better bowlers than myself that don't use grips that it helps them not grab it at the bottom. I feel as thought it's all a matter of preference.
Yeah its mostly personal preference on how it feels. I switched to No grips several years ago and made it a dedicated decision. It definitely felt wrong for awhile at first but once I got used to it, I am not sure I would ever go back to grips. Rev rates are really about the same overall, but I feel more control with no grips because the finger holes are ALWAYS the same, they don't wear out, and, when I do something wrong, I feel it more. It's a lot easier to notice when you start gripping too hard because the fingers will start burning more, but grips don't allow you the feel to notice that because they seem to be more comfortable no matter what you do with your hand. The only downside I have with no grips is that my middle and ring fingers are way more calloused than they used to be, but that doesn't really matter to me.
I quit using finger inserts probably 20 years ago. I also don't use anything in my thumb either but I've also been wrenching on cars my whole life so my hands are really calloused and beat to crap LOL
@@dubweezyI can confirm that. Plus unlike inserts that give you a slight cushion if you get out of the ball wrong without inserts you feel immediately and know what you did wrong
Packy, I'm a conventional 1 handed no thumb bowler. I tried grips early on in the year, and i lost a lot of control, my average went down by 20 pins, and instead of my balls having a great arc on them, every shot was a hockey stick motion. Took the grips out, went back to conventional drilling, and my average shot back up around 170-180. My rev rate last i checked was around the 370 mark, however that could have gone up or down lately (I haven't rechecked in about a year)
I like grips because I feel like they give you more flexibility with your fingers. I typically like my grips tight, almost to the point where my finger can barely fit in them. That being said, there are times where I would put my fingers in deeper. With no grips I feel like I wouldn’t be able to do that, not to mention it feel weird.
Ive always used no grips, i tried a ball earlier this year with grips and felt like i was hanging up and couldnt get out of the ball clean, i think maybe a change to my pitches would help if i try again next time? 230+ average 1 hand lefty, 400ish rev rate
I was a one hander from the start but then right after nationals this year. I turned to two hand bowling right after to try it and i like it way more then one handed I just need to learn how to control it better
Personally as a two hander, no grips feel way better. When I used grips, they would cut my fingers, and I would "hit up" on the ball too much at the bottom. Plus, grips are getting expensive, so replacing tape is cheaper than getting grips when fingers swell or shrink.
I typically go no grips. I feel like you can really feel the ball come off your fingers better. I'm typically around 470 can get as low at 400 and as high as 530 . Two hander. I might experiment with vacu grip set-up. I do know if your not used to no grips it rips up your fingers till you build up some calluses.
I'm a one hander at around 400 rpm. I can lower it, but that's pretty much my max. I can maybe get 10 more revs if I really lift, but that changes my everything, so I try not to. Haha.
I'm a two hander with no grips and I prefer no grips. I never have to worry about the ball sticking to my hand when I dig, but I bevel the holes quite a bit and it's much more comfortable. It makes a world of difference, plus the sandpapery feel of the conventional grips goes away fairly quickly after some use
I've used both.... as I've gotten older I prefer with grips. I personally use the humps. When I was younger and played the grain with 16# no inserts. My rev rate is 450 one hander here. Love the videos
I don’t have grips in my spare ball(two hander)but that’s to make sure I release it softer and don’t overbook at corner pins, but the few times I use it on very dry lanes and ripped on it my first hurt. I always have used grips in my other balls, and the vac grips seem to be my most comfortable and controllable without grabbing it. Have never had my rev rate tested but looking and watching your videos you seem to have an extra mph on me maybe(I think the center I’m at as crappy sensors)it shows I average between 15.5 and 16, but I can get up to 18 it’s just less accuracy but my rev rate seems to be high af
My rev rate is about 440 as a 2 hander rn, but my ball speed is also a touch lower at 18 or so off my hand. Trying to get up to that 19-20mph at 500 rpm!
I've thrown with no grips, then grips (with the lifter), and now throw the same grips, but have them put in as Vacu-grips for when my fingers swell up when bowling.
It would be interesting to have Keven do this exact same video and see how his rev rate changes and what his perspective is as one who doesn't use grips.
Biggest issue I had with no grips when I first went fingertip back in the 1980s was finger swelling, so you had to drill them a touch big and use tape like you do with a thumb hole. Once I went to grips it gave me more room for swelling because the grip would compress and I could still get my fingers in the ball even though they were tighter.
I'm a one hander but only bowl with two fingers, no thumb. I have never tried grips but I can say that I enjoy my no grip ball and I feel like I have all the control in the world without grips. I average around 160 to 180 typically. I would be really curious about my rev rate because I throw my strike ball pretty hard but my left side spares I'm about half my speed.
Years ago had a guy explained that with no grips he felt it when he would release wrong. Helped him train himself to have a cleaner release. But I think it's just preference
I'm a one hander with grips, 470-490 on average at around 17-18 mph measured. Sometimes I get to 500-510 if I'm really opening the lane up and need the ball to finish hard. Had my span and thumb changed recently for the first time in years, so getting used to that too. BW 2.0 Hybrid my current favorite in my bag. My friend is one handed no thumb with grips, 530-550 on average at 19-20 mph. Lots of power. His favorite ball currently is the Hazmat.
$10k for a Specto machine? I will take 2 please... lol 😂 - the last time my rev rate was "measured", it was 350, but that was like 10 years ago. I am 1 handed lefty. Grips is my preference, but no grips would be okay as long as it fits, but my finger pads would get ripped up
One handed, I use my thumb, no grips, and my rev rate is around 450-475. Honestly I love the feeling of no grips. I also tape my fingers with the gray storm grip tape because the feel is amazing.
Packy... One thing that could help you reach 600 is to bend your elbow in your backswing and cradle the ball more. When you extend for your release at the bottom of the swing it will accentuate the yo-yo motion and should increase your revs a bit (although probably sacrifice your accuracy LOL). Cool video and great info! Power Lift grips for the win!!!
Get a grip, Packy! I can get the ball over 600 RPM if I want to but I'd be lying if I said doing so does not affect my accuracy. My normal delivery is around 480RPM and around 16.5MPH. I learned to bowl so long ago that you had to do all the work with your hand. Hurray, Yellow Dot. Hurray uDot pancake weight block urethane. I'm so old I predate the Brunswick Rhino and the original Black Hammer. I also predate Vise Grips and Turbo grips. There once was only the option of no finger grips. The finger holes in those urethane balls would get very slick after a while. You had to use stickem, not rosin. I'm glad the equipment has improved.
my rev rate is 500+ 2 handed with grips. ive develop a ton more power this year bowling and its making me play straighter on all patterns yet having more success than ever
2 handed righty, about 360 rev rate at 17/18 off the hand. For reference my 2 handed PAP is 4.5 over and 2 up. 1 handed i'm about a measly like 200 rev rate at like 21 off the hand. Pap is 5 1/16 over and 3/8 up.
Rev rate? Under 200 with my thumb in. Over 400 with my thumb out!! I have a couple balls with no grips (conventional) and I am just going in to get them drilled out and grips put in.
No grips only feel good when they are done by a craftsmen driller how knows how to bevel by hand. I was able to be a no gripper for years, then I switched drillers and I felt how you felt right there like a brick rather than a pillow feel. I felt like I had more finesse with no grips, now I’m use to grips after 10 years of grips.
I’m a righty one-handed bowler who does NOT use grips and has a 550 average rev rate. I had grips when I started but I liked semi-fingertip which shredded my middle finger really deep and both my middle and ring fingers would bleed after even 7-8 frames and true finger tip was not comfortable/inconsistent, I regularly dropped the ball or dumped it all over the lane. My rev rate with grips and a little different release/style was 575 average but I ultimately have only been getting more consistent and better after ditching grips.
Noob question here as I have only bowled a few times for fun. Do grips allow you keep the ball with your hands without "pinching" the ball when your fingers are inside the holes? I heard you shouldn't really be "gripping" the ball at all..... Please correct me if I'm wrong
.02 on grips vs. no grips… tournament bag has about 8 balls. League, pretty much use the same 2 always. They wear out. So going from tight to loose or loose to tight sucks. No grips lets me tape similar to my thumb. Balls never feel identical unless you constantly change the grips in the balls you’re using. I also learned I like the sharper feel so I don’t grab. Grips come with an ongoing expense, albeit minimal. With all that said, it really does come to person preference.
In my prime I bowled A LOT! I learned to bowl not using grips, then changed to using grips. There was no difference in performance at all. What did change was the effect on my fingers. Without grips the calluses on my finger were brown from the constant friction. With grips I don’t get the finger burn. Caveat, I used the standard flat grips, not the angled grips designed to increase revs. Do they still make those.
My Rev Thumb in the ball . 350 ish.My revs 2 fingered are 525 average. Im working hard to get my thumb in revs up as I throw around 16 to 17 miles an hour .
Packy, I have 2 year old grandson that watches you every day. Has to have his Packy fix before daycare and has to go to sleep watching you. Will you be bringing out maybe toddler hoodies? I am sorry, I know this is completely off of your video topic.
I bowl 2 hand no grips. But I tape my fingers and have my fingers inside up to my second knuckles. Grips feel awful for me, thas why I throw conventional. For the fact that I have no grips and able to put my fingers up to my second knuckles, I can feel fully secure on having good grip in the whole ball. My game is also throwing reactive for the fact that im a low rev player. With throwing reactive and and having low rev, it allows me to hook the whole lane consistently by standing in the 0 or lower then 5 point spot. If any of you are curious on how my throw and hook look, feel free to reply and ill send you videos thru Instagram or some :)
At last measure this one handed lefty sat at 495 rpm average. My Helios has grips, my Venom Shock does not.. also side note when i measured my rev rate i used the venom.. so 495 without grips.. its all about feel, and for me as long as my thumb hole feels the same every shot my fingers dont matter as much.. my Helios grips (turbo) dont feel the same in late blocks as they do early, so when i had the VS drilled i went back to no grips . Only thunb slug.. and that is an oval..
I prefer no grips as a 2 hander. I think i feels more comfortable and ive never had a problem getting my fingers in the ball. When i was using grips and my hand got hot, i would need to cram my fingers into the grips. I don't see how you're hurting your fingers without grips. Maybe try just putting your fingers in to the first nuckle and stop trying to bury your entire finger into the ball???? Just saying. 😜
So, I always bowled 1 finger and decided last week to get this clearance 16# ball drilled with 2. I hate inserts so I went "raw" as he calls it. I actually did very well with this ball but the top of my forearm is absolutely KILLING me. I am not sure if this is from making the finger change or ripping on an extra pound. I will say this, I could tell I was pushing more revs than bowling 1 finger. My rev rate is about 460 with 1 finger, 2-handed.
So i will be “That Guy”. Zero idea what my rev rate is. Nobody around here has the fancy Specto stuff. Id like to know,, but i said something at league the other night & the guy that runs the pro shop said i didn’t need to know it. But i use grips as a one hander with no joint on 1st knuckle on ring finger.
Someone like you with big hands it wont effect as much but what you'll see is in kids an women. Sometimes the grips because of the side walls spread the fingers out too mich to get left so no grips or lady grips will allow the fingers to be closer together, more comfortable and relaxed. I'd say your losing versatility because your hands are so long its locking your fingers together.
I don't reliably know my Rev rate. I've tried to calculate it from recording videos and counting the revolutions but that may or may not be accurate. It looks like mine may be about 300 and I'm a one hander
How do people complain about grips wearing out is my biggest question? They wear out after a few years or an absolute ton of games but at that point youre either spending 5 dollars and replacing them or just getting a new ball. Since your reactive ball will have 1k games on it
Interesting comparison. I've always wondered about this. I tried without grips for a sort time. I agree with you. It hurt a bit. Pitches had to be absolutely perfect too. Just no give.
I sit around 430 on a good day these days. Been 2 handed my whole life, but injuries took the toll and went from about 515 to where I am today. Hell, I may be even lower now lol
I'm one handed, never had the opportunity to have my Rev rate tallied. I know it's high, my issue is my Rev Rate is high but my speed is slow. I can not generate any Speed I guess my age cought up to me lol
I am a two handed righty and was struggling with my grips. A really good bowler recommended i replace my grips. I did and it still felt wrong. He then recommended ditch the grips and that quickly became the only ball I would throw. If I had to switch to another it made me angry.
I use grips otherwise I squeeze too much. I measured my rev rate with a 14 lb black widow bite at 480 with a soft hand. 450 with my 15 lb purple hammer soft hand. I bet the spy and my low rg stuff and short pin stuff are probably north of 550. Thumb in the ball. I lose revs taking my thumb out haha.
I do not know my rev rate, and have never measured it. Does one require a 10 thousand dollar camera to do it? Or is it that thing where people put tape on the ball for PAP and stuff and can get it that way?
I do everything he says he shouldnt do lol, i sit around like 515 revs as a 2 hander. but i half dig with no grips and you really can feel the ball rip off the fingers at the bottom.
I’m a finger tip, one hand no thumb and no grip person and I only use no grip because I bowl so much I don’t want to pay to change my grips every two months or so
Can you redrill bigger and install grips if it is already drilled? I would think the center point of the hole would be the same and reaming out the hole a little bigger to accommodate the grips would be no problem
Sorry Packy, but no grips for me. So I have used both until the late 90's, and thats when i switched to no grips, and the feeling is way better for me. Now really this is all personal preference. Some likes no grips, some likes it with grips. It all depends on what you're looking for as well as feel.
I like the feel of no grips. When I used grips, every ball in my bag had a different level of wear on the grips, so each ball felt different when I would switch back and forth. I also think my rev rate is a little higher without grips.
There's two simple ways to fix the issue with uneven wear on the grips between your different balls. Either always throw the same amount of shots with each ball or replace the grips after every use.
Once I discovered grips never went back and saved my fingertips
I'm two handed right handed. Normal rev rate I'd say 525 ish when my back is sore. If I'm feeling good, I have a better follow through I can easily pull 575 and I imagine 600 if I rip it
I feel like no grips is fine with a conventional drilling, but you really want grips for fingertip drilling for the feel and comfort. I'm not convinced that either one gives you any more power or finesse. I see it as a personal preference, but I have found that the rubber of the grips is a nicer feel than the outer core material of the ball.
Obviously it feels better. But I've heard from better bowlers than myself that don't use grips that it helps them not grab it at the bottom. I feel as thought it's all a matter of preference.
Yeah its mostly personal preference on how it feels. I switched to No grips several years ago and made it a dedicated decision. It definitely felt wrong for awhile at first but once I got used to it, I am not sure I would ever go back to grips. Rev rates are really about the same overall, but I feel more control with no grips because the finger holes are ALWAYS the same, they don't wear out, and, when I do something wrong, I feel it more. It's a lot easier to notice when you start gripping too hard because the fingers will start burning more, but grips don't allow you the feel to notice that because they seem to be more comfortable no matter what you do with your hand.
The only downside I have with no grips is that my middle and ring fingers are way more calloused than they used to be, but that doesn't really matter to me.
I quit using finger inserts probably 20 years ago. I also don't use anything in my thumb either but I've also been wrenching on cars my whole life so my hands are really calloused and beat to crap LOL
@@dubweezyI can confirm that. Plus unlike inserts that give you a slight cushion if you get out of the ball wrong without inserts you feel immediately and know what you did wrong
Who would put grips on conventional drill lol, that's how you lose you fingers
I'm a right hander one handed and my Rev rate is 480. Measured at USBC In Texas with Kim Terrell. 😊
I haven't used grips since 1996 and even though my rev rate lowered, I feel my consistency shot to shot has increased.
Packy, I'm a conventional 1 handed no thumb bowler. I tried grips early on in the year, and i lost a lot of control, my average went down by 20 pins, and instead of my balls having a great arc on them, every shot was a hockey stick motion. Took the grips out, went back to conventional drilling, and my average shot back up around 170-180. My rev rate last i checked was around the 370 mark, however that could have gone up or down lately (I haven't rechecked in about a year)
I like grips because I feel like they give you more flexibility with your fingers. I typically like my grips tight, almost to the point where my finger can barely fit in them. That being said, there are times where I would put my fingers in deeper. With no grips I feel like I wouldn’t be able to do that, not to mention it feel weird.
Ive always used no grips, i tried a ball earlier this year with grips and felt like i was hanging up and couldnt get out of the ball clean, i think maybe a change to my pitches would help if i try again next time? 230+ average 1 hand lefty, 400ish rev rate
I always see the different style of grips available. You should do one where you test that because boy can I not tell a difference.
Tested it with Specto and I’m sitting around 420 as a one handed righty (with grips)
I was a one hander from the start but then right after nationals this year. I turned to two hand bowling right after to try it and i like it way more then one handed I just need to learn how to control it better
Personally as a two hander, no grips feel way better. When I used grips, they would cut my fingers, and I would "hit up" on the ball too much at the bottom. Plus, grips are getting expensive, so replacing tape is cheaper than getting grips when fingers swell or shrink.
Bro how did 1 guy win two of the days
They don’t rly measure rpm on Portuguese bowling events :(
I’ve never measured my rev rate.
1 handed. Guess 350
Two Handed: 530 Revs, 18.8mph Release Speed
I typically go no grips. I feel like you can really feel the ball come off your fingers better. I'm typically around 470 can get as low at 400 and as high as 530 . Two hander. I might experiment with vacu grip set-up. I do know if your not used to no grips it rips up your fingers till you build up some calluses.
Lefty, 1 handed, 16.5 mph, roughly 275-300 rpm. Got this hell cat xlr8 and making me look like a boss right now 🔥
I'd say i roll about a 250-300 rpms as a one hander
I'm a one hander at around 400 rpm. I can lower it, but that's pretty much my max. I can maybe get 10 more revs if I really lift, but that changes my everything, so I try not to. Haha.
i went 5 years without grip before and i had blisters all the time then switched to grips and no more bleeding fingers.
I'm a two hander with no grips and I prefer no grips. I never have to worry about the ball sticking to my hand when I dig, but I bevel the holes quite a bit and it's much more comfortable. It makes a world of difference, plus the sandpapery feel of the conventional grips goes away fairly quickly after some use
I've used both.... as I've gotten older I prefer with grips. I personally use the humps. When I was younger and played the grain with 16# no inserts.
My rev rate is 450 one hander here.
Love the videos
I don’t have grips in my spare ball(two hander)but that’s to make sure I release it softer and don’t overbook at corner pins, but the few times I use it on very dry lanes and ripped on it my first hurt. I always have used grips in my other balls, and the vac grips seem to be my most comfortable and controllable without grabbing it. Have never had my rev rate tested but looking and watching your videos you seem to have an extra mph on me maybe(I think the center I’m at as crappy sensors)it shows I average between 15.5 and 16, but I can get up to 18 it’s just less accuracy but my rev rate seems to be high af
I really love it when I haven't cut my finger nails to nearly gone and they catch on the grips lmao
My rev rate is about 440 as a 2 hander rn, but my ball speed is also a touch lower at 18 or so off my hand. Trying to get up to that 19-20mph at 500 rpm!
I've thrown with no grips, then grips (with the lifter), and now throw the same grips, but have them put in as Vacu-grips for when my fingers swell up when bowling.
I'm a one handed bowler and speed dominate. I want to get it measured somewhere cuz i get it to hook alot and ball speed is at 17 to 18mph.
It would be interesting to have Keven do this exact same video and see how his rev rate changes and what his perspective is as one who doesn't use grips.
Biggest issue I had with no grips when I first went fingertip back in the 1980s was finger swelling, so you had to drill them a touch big and use tape like you do with a thumb hole. Once I went to grips it gave me more room for swelling because the grip would compress and I could still get my fingers in the ball even though they were tighter.
I'm a one hander but only bowl with two fingers, no thumb. I have never tried grips but I can say that I enjoy my no grip ball and I feel like I have all the control in the world without grips. I average around 160 to 180 typically. I would be really curious about my rev rate because I throw my strike ball pretty hard but my left side spares I'm about half my speed.
Years ago had a guy explained that with no grips he felt it when he would release wrong. Helped him train himself to have a cleaner release. But I think it's just preference
I can definitely tell with no grips if it's didn't come off right
Maybe you can do a video of grips: lifts vs oval vs vacuum. If any of them make a difference or if it's just personal preference
I'm a one hander with grips, 470-490 on average at around 17-18 mph measured. Sometimes I get to 500-510 if I'm really opening the lane up and need the ball to finish hard. Had my span and thumb changed recently for the first time in years, so getting used to that too. BW 2.0 Hybrid my current favorite in my bag. My friend is one handed no thumb with grips, 530-550 on average at 19-20 mph. Lots of power. His favorite ball currently is the Hazmat.
I measured it with Specto, I'm a 2 hander and my rev rate is around 475
$10k for a Specto machine? I will take 2 please... lol 😂 - the last time my rev rate was "measured", it was 350, but that was like 10 years ago. I am 1 handed lefty. Grips is my preference, but no grips would be okay as long as it fits, but my finger pads would get ripped up
Never checked, but by comparison to tv I would say 450 right handed. Normal one hand finger tip grip
One handed, I use my thumb, no grips, and my rev rate is around 450-475. Honestly I love the feeling of no grips. I also tape my fingers with the gray storm grip tape because the feel is amazing.
Unfortunately i don’t know my rev rate. I would guess 250-300 one handed.
Packy... One thing that could help you reach 600 is to bend your elbow in your backswing and cradle the ball more. When you extend for your release at the bottom of the swing it will accentuate the yo-yo motion and should increase your revs a bit (although probably sacrifice your accuracy LOL). Cool video and great info! Power Lift grips for the win!!!
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling packy interchangeable thumb inserts
I think bowling should be more skill based. If you have a to use equipment you should have a lower handicap. It’s a crutch🤷🏾♂️…JMO!
Get a grip, Packy! I can get the ball over 600 RPM if I want to but I'd be lying if I said doing so does not affect my accuracy. My normal delivery is around 480RPM and around 16.5MPH. I learned to bowl so long ago that you had to do all the work with your hand. Hurray, Yellow Dot. Hurray uDot pancake weight block urethane. I'm so old I predate the Brunswick Rhino and the original Black Hammer. I also predate Vise Grips and Turbo grips. There once was only the option of no finger grips. The finger holes in those urethane balls would get very slick after a while. You had to use stickem, not rosin. I'm glad the equipment has improved.
I believe I'm somewhere in the 350 range plus/minus 15. I'm same style as Tom Daugherty, so traditional one hand, no thumb.
lol Two Hander here with way too low rev rate and speed.. xD 15 mph with around 420 rev rate... i guess im not staying long enough under the ball..
shot 290 with a urethane ball i drilled yesterday, i have oval grips, on a wild streak tour/u
my rev rate is 500+ 2 handed with grips. ive develop a ton more power this year bowling and its making me play straighter on all patterns yet having more success than ever
How did you get your power up? I'm a low speed player and trying to up it but I'm struggling hard lol (2hander as well btw)
@@Hitotsuke ball speed all comes from your legs so quicker steps or longer strides will increase your ball speed if you have a clean release
@@xPandora__ Thanks, appreciate it!
2 handed righty, about 360 rev rate at 17/18 off the hand. For reference my 2 handed PAP is 4.5 over and 2 up. 1 handed i'm about a measly like 200 rev rate at like 21 off the hand. Pap is 5 1/16 over and 3/8 up.
Mine 425 with one hand. I've tried two handed but i get about the same Rev rate but way less speed.
Rev rate?
Under 200 with my thumb in.
Over 400 with my thumb out!!
I have a couple balls with no grips (conventional) and I am just going in to get them drilled out and grips put in.
No grips only feel good when they are done by a craftsmen driller how knows how to bevel by hand. I was able to be a no gripper for years, then I switched drillers and I felt how you felt right there like a brick rather than a pillow feel. I felt like I had more finesse with no grips, now I’m use to grips after 10 years of grips.
I’m a righty one-handed bowler who does NOT use grips and has a 550 average rev rate. I had grips when I started but I liked semi-fingertip which shredded my middle finger really deep and both my middle and ring fingers would bleed after even 7-8 frames and true finger tip was not comfortable/inconsistent, I regularly dropped the ball or dumped it all over the lane. My rev rate with grips and a little different release/style was 575 average but I ultimately have only been getting more consistent and better after ditching grips.
550... more like 450. Tackett doesn't even have that high. He does 510-520 when shown on telecast.
Cool video talk tech bowling packy
I'm a right hand/no thumb bowler, that uses no grips.. The trick to using no grips is to polish your finger holes 👌🏾👌🏾
Works like magic 😊👍🏾
Noob question here as I have only bowled a few times for fun. Do grips allow you keep the ball with your hands without "pinching" the ball when your fingers are inside the holes? I heard you shouldn't really be "gripping" the ball at all..... Please correct me if I'm wrong
.02 on grips vs. no grips… tournament bag has about 8 balls. League, pretty much use the same 2 always. They wear out. So going from tight to loose or loose to tight sucks. No grips lets me tape similar to my thumb. Balls never feel identical unless you constantly change the grips in the balls you’re using. I also learned I like the sharper feel so I don’t grab. Grips come with an ongoing expense, albeit minimal. With all that said, it really does come to person preference.
In my prime I bowled A LOT! I learned to bowl not using grips, then changed to using grips. There was no difference in performance at all. What did change was the effect on my fingers. Without grips the calluses on my finger were brown from the constant friction. With grips I don’t get the finger burn.
Caveat, I used the standard flat grips, not the angled grips designed to increase revs. Do they still make those.
My Rev Thumb in the ball . 350 ish.My revs 2 fingered are 525 average. Im working hard to get my thumb in revs up as I throw around 16 to 17 miles an hour .
Back in the day, ccirca 1970's, the ends of my fingers would be brown caused by the ball release.... thanks for the video
Packy, I have 2 year old grandson that watches you every day. Has to have his Packy fix before daycare and has to go to sleep watching you. Will you be bringing out maybe toddler hoodies? I am sorry, I know this is completely off of your video topic.
I think the only reason ur Rev rate slowed down cuz maybe u subconsciously didn't wanna take the skin off your fingers lol
I bowl 2 hand no grips. But I tape my fingers and have my fingers inside up to my second knuckles. Grips feel awful for me, thas why I throw conventional. For the fact that I have no grips and able to put my fingers up to my second knuckles, I can feel fully secure on having good grip in the whole ball. My game is also throwing reactive for the fact that im a low rev player. With throwing reactive and and having low rev, it allows me to hook the whole lane consistently by standing in the 0 or lower then 5 point spot. If any of you are curious on how my throw and hook look, feel free to reply and ill send you videos thru Instagram or some :)
I'm a 35 yo single hand righty with about a 16mph ball and 450ish rpm and prefer raw holes... yep I said it lol.
At last measure this one handed lefty sat at 495 rpm average. My Helios has grips, my Venom Shock does not.. also side note when i measured my rev rate i used the venom.. so 495 without grips.. its all about feel, and for me as long as my thumb hole feels the same every shot my fingers dont matter as much.. my Helios grips (turbo) dont feel the same in late blocks as they do early, so when i had the VS drilled i went back to no grips . Only thunb slug.. and that is an oval..
I prefer no grips as a 2 hander. I think i feels more comfortable and ive never had a problem getting my fingers in the ball. When i was using grips and my hand got hot, i would need to cram my fingers into the grips. I don't see how you're hurting your fingers without grips. Maybe try just putting your fingers in to the first nuckle and stop trying to bury your entire finger into the ball???? Just saying. 😜
So, I always bowled 1 finger and decided last week to get this clearance 16# ball drilled with 2. I hate inserts so I went "raw" as he calls it. I actually did very well with this ball but the top of my forearm is absolutely KILLING me. I am not sure if this is from making the finger change or ripping on an extra pound. I will say this, I could tell I was pushing more revs than bowling 1 finger. My rev rate is about 460 with 1 finger, 2-handed.
So i will be “That Guy”. Zero idea what my rev rate is. Nobody around here has the fancy Specto stuff. Id like to know,, but i said something at league the other night & the guy that runs the pro shop said i didn’t need to know it. But i use grips as a one hander with no joint on 1st knuckle on ring finger.
Suit case 1 handed
125rpm… but that’s okay because I throw it about 12.5-13.5mph
What a good content!!! As always something different from you!
Tape or no tape on your fingers.😮
No grips. One handed. 480-510 is my rev rate. I can kill my hand to get it down to 300.
Or you can be like Norm Duke who just used clean holes with no bevel. I mean straight off the press holes. Dude is crazy.
Someone like you with big hands it wont effect as much but what you'll see is in kids an women. Sometimes the grips because of the side walls spread the fingers out too mich to get left so no grips or lady grips will allow the fingers to be closer together, more comfortable and relaxed. I'd say your losing versatility because your hands are so long its locking your fingers together.
I am a 2 hander with grips and I throw around 350 rpm (I've only been bowling for 7 months)
I don't reliably know my Rev rate. I've tried to calculate it from recording videos and counting the revolutions but that may or may not be accurate.
It looks like mine may be about 300 and I'm a one hander
How do people complain about grips wearing out is my biggest question? They wear out after a few years or an absolute ton of games but at that point youre either spending 5 dollars and replacing them or just getting a new ball. Since your reactive ball will have 1k games on it
Interesting comparison. I've always wondered about this. I tried without grips for a sort time. I agree with you. It hurt a bit. Pitches had to be absolutely perfect too. Just no give.
This was my first time trying it in years and you could say, im not switching away from my grips any time soon!
I sit around 430 on a good day these days. Been 2 handed my whole life, but injuries took the toll and went from about 515 to where I am today. Hell, I may be even lower now lol
I'm one handed, never had the opportunity to have my Rev rate tallied. I know it's high, my issue is my Rev Rate is high but my speed is slow. I can not generate any Speed I guess my age cought up to me lol
I am a two handed righty and was struggling with my grips. A really good bowler recommended i replace my grips. I did and it still felt wrong. He then recommended ditch the grips and that quickly became the only ball I would throw. If I had to switch to another it made me angry.
I use grips otherwise I squeeze too much.
I measured my rev rate with a 14 lb black widow bite at 480 with a soft hand. 450 with my 15 lb purple hammer soft hand. I bet the spy and my low rg stuff and short pin stuff are probably north of 550.
Thumb in the ball. I lose revs taking my thumb out haha.
I have no official rev rate measurements, but did some calculations with the help of slowmo shots and they averaged around 300.
For some reason after watching this video I am craving some pizza.... Loved the video like normal
I do not know my rev rate, and have never measured it. Does one require a 10 thousand dollar camera to do it? Or is it that thing where people put tape on the ball for PAP and stuff and can get it that way?
I bowl right hand, left hand and I could bowl 2 hand left. Don't know my rev.
1 handed bowler, 350 rev rate. Measured using tape, my phone camera, and the storm chart.
Traditional one hander, 480- 500 rpm on an average shot. I throw the ball around 18 mph.
Rev rate only about 390-450. Depends on the day
1 handed. Never had my rev.rate measured. Dillon Peters wins back 2 back days?
I do everything he says he shouldnt do lol, i sit around like 515 revs as a 2 hander. but i half dig with no grips and you really can feel the ball rip off the fingers at the bottom.
I’m a finger tip, one hand no thumb and no grip person and I only use no grip because I bowl so much I don’t want to pay to change my grips every two months or so
No idea of My rev rate because the alley hasn't updated to anything like spectro because we are still living in the 80's.
So they have a $10,000 camera system installed with string pins, something there just bothers me
Will you be bowling on the tour in Pa at the Steel City bowl And Brew? Im hoping to be there just awaiting dates and for tickets to be realesed
520-540 last time on Specto 18.5-19mph on a heavier volume
I’m a two hander over here. My average rev rate is 450 rpm. But my highest was 506.
Can you redrill bigger and install grips if it is already drilled? I would think the center point of the hole would be the same and reaming out the hole a little bigger to accommodate the grips would be no problem
2-4 percent is within margin of error looks like it's officially too close to call. Do whatever is most comfortable to you!
No grips one handers with 440 revs I feel like I can get under the ball well with it but I have thrown balls with grips and I felt like I had ej revs