I appreciate this video so much. I started bowling again last summer after several years away. My doctor and PSO both said that I needed to drop down in weight. I dropped down to 12#. When I would post questions or comments on forums regarding new balls the reaction was always dismissive or ridiculing because I wasn't throwing a "man's weight". So many people thought they were experts and told me I was wasting my time, and money, when I bought my Madness because of the core. I stopped posting and asking questions on the forums. I don't have delusions of being the next Weber, Roth, or Anthony. I just want to enjoy myself and have fun with my child. I hope some of the "experts" out there see your video. Thank you for this, and all you do, Nick
I feel u 💯! I have psoriatic arthritis and bowled scratch for years but have been sidelined in the last few years because it just got worse and worse. I'm on my 4th biologic and on the verge of taking my left leg below the knee because of the pain. I'm a golf pro, and it's heartbreaking to me that I'm not able to play as much as I used to. I am a master fitting pro as my job, but at least I still play to a 4 handicap and try to play a "few" times a year. I'm determined to bowl again after my 900 global split 360 degrees sitting in my club room for a couple of years. Point is... I went to a 14-lb ball and was given crap for it because I'm a big dude, but there is so much more to it than just being able to "handle" a bigger ball. I rolled 16lb balls for years and years. I am really strong, but if I tried to roll that, i would fall over. Keep on keeping on! 14, 13, 12 whatever ❤
Do what's right for you my bother! I just started bowling again as well. I bought a 13#. And it's the shit. Now I'm ordering a 12#er for the days I'm feeling not so... Have fun and mostly pick up your spairs. I have 13 outings (3 games each outing) with the the 13#er and have a 144 average. I can just get "better!" Got in the 170's five times and 180"s twice. I'm stoked and having fun. Just need to pick up more spares!!! Shout out to BrunsNick, thank you dude! Love your presentation.
I also dropped down to 12lb bowling ball. I bowl very well with it. I don't struggle anymore like I did with 14lb. My arm doesn't get tired, and control it fine with 12lbs. Bowling is not a macho thing. Bowl with the weight one is comfortable with. That's all that matters.
Hey BrunsNick....thanks to your informative videos - this Senior (12 Pound - from 14) purchased Hammer Purple Urethane, Scorpion Low Flare, Hazmat....and now I'm calling my Pro Shop for this one! My game has changed for the better!
I switched to 14lb when I hit 40. I definitely increased my rev rate. Went to 13 at 65 because of health issues but mostly because of an arthritic middle finger. I can still throw a string once in a while, especially with the nu blue and purple hammers! Keep making great videos!
Nick 62 YO back surgeries and knee surgeries- just got back to League and my 15 lb ball feels like a cannonball. I was going to go down to 14lbs but after watching this maybe 13 is my lucky number. Great video. Thanks
This was a great vid. It tells us seniors we should not feel ashamed to use 13 lbs as we won't lose performance and may actually gain a different type of performance. 13 lbs had way more backend than the 15 lb ball. This makes sense as the same super responsive coverstock has less weight to deal with and was able to move the ball left faster and harder once it saw friction.
Excellence in action. Saving video to share with bowlers with this concern. Thank you Nick for another showcase of your high level of expertise and talent. By the way, awesome shirt!
I’ve played around a bit with 14 pounds, for me I believe the entry angle is greater and that is the key to good carry. 14 seems to get the job done just fine so like you Nick when the time comes I’m going to 14 and won’t look back. Nice video, Effect is a monster.
Nick, you've got me thinking about dropping ball weight. My ball speed has come down as I've gotten older and I believe it may be time to finally bite the bullet on this. Thanks.
I'm in my late 60's and my ball speed isn't what it used to be. At one time I was speed dominant. Now the down lane ball speed is measured at 11 mph. Messengers are a thing of the past and blowing a 5 into a 10 (I'm a lefty) is rare. I'm tossing weaker equipment with long pin to PAP distances in order to get as much length as possible to compensate. Also worth noting is I have a 14 lb. plastic spare ball that travels between 13-14 mph when I use it on left corner spares, so it stands to reason I'd have a similar ball speed with my first ball if I dropped the weight from 15 to 14 lbs. It stinks getting old - everything hurts now.@@brunsnick
@@brunsnick Nick, I was wondering if you could revisit the 13 lb. test by throwing the ball more slowly. You throw the ball at 17-18 mph. At this speed there may not be a discernable difference in hitting power between equipment weighing 13 and 15 lbs. To be fair you would need to throw the 15 lb. ball as well but, if you could achieve a down lane ball speed of 11 mph with both balls, we might be able to see if there is a difference in hitting power between both pieces of equipment. Thanks.
Historically I have always played a straighter shot, kind of the old school "down and in" and, over the last few years I have struggled with ball overreaction and overall arsenal over/under, because when I move right (Im a lefty) accuracy issues creep up. So I've tried everything on this house shot, from polished asym pearls, to urethane, to using new coatings etc etc. The biggest difference Ive made was dropping from 16lb down to 14lb. Im currently throwing a 14lb TNT Explode hit with a dull 3000, and it allows me to control the ball speed more consistently.
I had an injury and had to drop from #15 to #12, and my average actually went up quite a bit. I was able to generate more revs and speed while also being more consistent and under control. I think it is also important to take into account the effects of fatigue on the arm when comparing the different weights when bowling a block of games vs. just 1 game. I have rebuilt my strength after my injury and am stronger than before my injury, so I moved back up to #14. I have no plans of ever going back to #15 even though I am physically stronger now.
Thanks for doing the 13lb comparison, its what you do when you get older. You can tell the difference down the lane, one rolls heavier than the other and the 13lb should jump harder off the dry. I am not sure you can tell the difference in the pins. .. thanks ..
Hi Nick, glad you did this as didn’t realise there are different cores. If not seen this video I’d assume that a 13lb had the huntsman core as that’s the big sales pitch behind this ball.
more power through the pins with 15, thanks for posting, so u think this is better than the new widow ? gonna get either one in 14 lb this spring, luv the vids
Seems pretty clear from your data that the "generic" core doesn't show a lot (or any) performance drop-off. So that makes me wonder: does this mean that of the extra fancy cores in heavier balls (like the huntsman - where we hear about how innovative and amazing it is) aren't actually as important as we're told that they are? If these results can be achieved with a simplistic generic core, what's the advantage to all of the highly technical cores that we receive?
Is the 60X5X20 your standard drilling? I see you use it on most of your videos. Could you and Phil do a video on what those numbers mean and how they effect the balls motion?
I bowled in 2 leagues using a 14 lbs Hammer Black Widow. However, mid Feb (2024) I had a tear of the medial meniscus in my left knee (my throwing leg) while practicing one day; didn’t need surgery. However, my orthopedic instructed me to skip on bowling 26 wks to allow my knee to heal. Fast forwarded, my knee healed to the point where I was able to join a league this fall. Problem is I can no longer throw my Black Widow which I had a 191 & 201 avg. in 2 different leagues because it puts too much strain on my injured knee. So I bought a 13 lbs Brunswick Ethos. The Ethos will slowly hook but with no driving force through pins and less pin action. Would the 13 lbs Hammer Effect hit the pins hard like my 14 lbs Black Widow? I was thinking about trying the 13 lbs Hammer Effect.
So I havent bowled for 34 years. In 1990 I rolled a Columbia Yellow dot, 16 lbs. I was never a big hook guy, just a nice moderate on. I was a 194 avg. so right now, for the last month I have been throwing a 14 lbs Rhino Black/Blue/Silver R12 reactive…….its got a lot of back end bite, which Im not used too. My speed is 10.25-11 on a relaxed shot….and around 13-13.5 …….I would really like to get upwards of 15mph. 4 step slow approach and not a very high arc……because Im old!! ….anyway……if I dropped to 12/13 would my speed increase and my hook decrease? Help!!
I'm new to bowling on a serious level and I was given a Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid... but it's only a 13lb ball. I'm used to throwing a very old 14lb that was drilled for someone else's hand. I throw very straight as I don't have a hook yet. Should I redrill the 13lb BW or find something else?
What's up Nick, I appreciate this video. I'm a Radical staffer and currently throw 14lb. I'm very rev dominant so I would love to pick up a couple mph. I might punch up a 13lb or 2 to try it out!
Hi - I have a question. I’m in a Junior League. This is my 2nd year of bowling. I use a 13 lb TROPICAL SURGE & am looking to upgrade. The speed that I throw the ball at is about 13 mph. The lanes are light to oily. My question is what you think of THE ROAD or HY ROAD as an option? Many thanks in advance for your advice and assistance.
Normal I play 15. But now 13 pound. Great ball. Higher scores. It tells us seniors we should not feel ashamed to use 13 lbs as we won't lose performance and may actually gain a different type of performance. 13 lbs had way more backend than the 15 lb ball. Great Video Thanks for that. Love from Holland
@@brunsnickSorry, I meant the vent hole you drilled in the 13 pound ball. I guess I don't understand what that is used for. I have never had that drilled into any of my bowling balls.
Great video review. I have pressure on the back of the thumb hole. Thinking about moving my thumb pitch 1/16-1/8 of an inch towards my fingers and 1/8 toward my little finger. Or should I just shorten the span 1/8. Would greatly appreciate your advice
Hard to say. Best to check with your pro shop and show them the issues. It could be a total span too long. Normally if you have pressure at the back of your thumb, you do not go more forward with the thumb pitch.
I have a 15# Ocean Vibe and a light 14# Outer Limits. I am thinking of getting a Black Widow 2.0 because I don’t have a solid yet. Currently an athletic geezer who bowled a 706 two weeks ago with the Vibe. Do you suggest going with 15# or 14#? Is the 2.0 a good choice for me with revs in the mid 200s and speed off the hand at between 17-18 mph? And what is that in the little pack you put on your thumb? Answer all my questions, or else!
I'm 63 and I've been throwing 15lb balls. My release is no longer consistent with a heavier ball so I've had a 13lb Black Venom drilled. I'll report back on my results. Fingers crossed.
Awesome video on this, I honestly want this ball because it’s just so beautiful 🤣🤣 that and also I’m getting rid of my Tenacity Grit to a Youth bowler and will need something to feel that gap better than my 2.0 hybrid would, you keep putting videos like this out i might just have to concede and get one🤣🤣🤣
So I enjoy your comparison's on lighter weights... I had hand surgery and have been out for 2 years... I came back throwing a 10lb and now I'm up to 12lb ... I averaged 230 + for the past 15 years and finding the lighter ball fun to throw. I have a 13 but still can't seem to throw it for more than 6 frame before hand issues... So in your opinion what 12-13 lb balls would be my best choice ?? With my 12lb. Storm surge 2 weeks ago i had a 298 with a 5-7 and a 769 series... was very gratifing to have these results with an entry level ball....
It all depends on how you throw and what lanes conditions you bowl on. Just have to match the cover strength to your game and you’ll create the proper entry angle to strike with a 12lb ball.
I think it would be cool to see a comparison video using the hammer effect with a with a counterbalance hole. Without. Especially since they made it illegal to use counterbalance holes I would genuinely like to see how much it alters the ball motion down lane.
@@nathannye4048 I think it all depends on the weightblock inside too, because I have a 14Lb rhino pro gold vintage remake and a forge fire. I prefer the rhino pro over the forge for throwing it easier and putting more revs on it
I'll take the 13# ball every time over the heavier 15#. If it works the same why kill your arm over a three game stretch? If you are so hell-bent on impressing your friends with your strength drop down on the lane and give me 50 pushups. As for me, I'll take the higher scoring and an arm I can still use when I go home. As a comparison, take ice hockey, one of the most demanding sports. Are the sticks getting heavier as you get to higher skill levels? Absolutely not. The pro sticks are so light you can mail them with a "Forever Stamp". So much for the macho mindset. Glad to see Brunswick making waves. That was my first ball when I started bowling
The fact that the pros dont use 13 pounds means they know its different especially when dealing with patterns or centers that dont hook much. It doesnt work the same. This test was performed in a easy pattern. Make it harder to hook and those light pockets wont carry not as much as compared to a 15 pounder.
The strategy wouldn’t differ really based on weight. Base most of the decision around cover types and strengths. Need a benchmark, need an angular one and need a dry lane ball for a good 3 ball league arsenal.
Nick, what’s the best hammer ball for me? I’m throwing around 13 miles an hour with high rev rate the black widow just hooks too much for me. I’m looking for something that I can control and get out there further down the lane. Gotta help me man.
I quit bowling for almost 10 years and when I started back I started using 14lbs instead of 15 pounds. I shot a state record 888 with a 14 and multiple 800s and 300s. I see no reason to throw 15+
I'm a 60 year old woman and throw 13# ball. Most seem to think I would be better off throwing a 14# ball but it doesn't seem like it from what you say here. I bought a 14# and feel like I drop it a lot. It feels very heavy at the bottom. I have so much more control with the 13# but get so much more pin action with the 14#. I almost bought a 14# Effect but decided to watch some more reviews. Your's popped up. So glad it did. I guess I should stick with 13#. Still not 100% sure though because of increased strike factor I seem to have with 14 vs 13. Decisions, decisions. Any advice?
Have a question if you don't mind. I currently have the hazmat and nu hammer. My question is I was thinking about the top of my bag with an extreme envy and maybe adding a widow 3.0 or envy tour solid as a benchmark. Would that work well as arsenal in your opinion? I do also plan on ordering this hammer effect but I don't know where it will fit in that arsenal other than maybe taking the place of the hazmat? Would the arsenal be from top to bottom. Extreme envy, hazamat or effect,then benchmark either widow 3.0 or envy tour solid, then nu hammer. Would that be accurate?
Thanks , I don’t know if there is much difference between 15 to 14 on gb2 and gb4 hyper kinetic 22 . But I throw a 15 envision solid a love it along with a pearl gb4 a love it . I do struggle with the 14 gb4 22 but I know it’s great 4-6 game ball . Thanks for your videos though.
I like my 14lb balls .. they work extremely well for me. I don't think I could throw anything heavier very well. I have a 13lb spare ball, and it works great as well. I do use a 12lb practice ball for working on release and other things. It's really nice to have the lighter 12lb ball for practice, warmup and training. It has worked out very well for me. I will say though, I don't seem to be able to strike as much with my 12lb. I have a tendency to leave a lot of flat 10's with the 12lb ball. In fact, during one practice I bowled an entire game of flat 10's and spares .. entire game was 9 / ... for a 190 .. try to do THAT on purpose .. LOL
@@BassRacerx - for me, 14lb is the heaviest I will ever go. It works just about perfect for me, and since I am already 61 ( old guy) I can't imagine throwing heavier balls. Probably need to get a 10lb DUO before too long 🤣.. which, by the way, if you are looking for a great performance ball in a real light weight, RotoGrip DUO is about the best you can get. It is the only ball, that I know of, in that performance that is available in such a light weight. My wife now has 2 of them in 10lb .. they are great balls!
When I would bowl again I would have to modify the way I used to bowl because of a quad injury. I won’t be able to hook my right leg (surgically repaired leg) around my sliding leg (left leg) I have to lift my toe forward on the follow through. 🙂
I guess this is more of a curiosity, but would the lower weight core make any difference in the 15lb weight compared to the normal core that is used in the heavier weights? Is this even something that could be shown off? I guess my inquiry is, would it make any difference between the higher performance cores? From my point of view, the coverstock seems to carry a majority of the weight here. Am I wrong with this assessment? Or is there actual scientific proof that the weirder looking cores do a better job of rev-ing up the ball? With that being said, I guess I've been on the fence of lowering ball weight due to the core differences. This has put a new light on that fence. I can probably jump over that fence and go to a lower weight ball in the future. I appreciate all of the information you're willing, and able, to provide.
You’d have to adjust the size of the core for heavier weights. Otherwise, you’d have to make the outer core material denser and that would lower the differential too much. Dense “weird” cores create asymmetry and differential, which equates to more track flare potential.
@@brunsnick So it's all based on weight. I guess that does make more sense with the "weird" cores being larger to accommodate the rest of the ball. Thanks for the clarification.
My biggest problem is ill throw the lighter balls too hard if the lanes have decent oil. Sure if its dry house then im fine but if its anything else its a different story. Either hydro through the oil or punch through the face if im not really on top of the roll
I’m looking to try this out but with an arctic vibe. I already have a 15lb and now I’m buying a 13lb. Did your pin distance and drilling change drastically for the 13 pound hammer effect you have?
Hey Nick, I got the 3.0 and Effect. Trying to round out Hammer bag. Do you think I should round out bad with Scorpion Low Flare or would you suggest something else?
Hey Nick, building a league bag I currently have the bw 3.0. 15lb I feel like it is burning up before it gets to the pins leaving a lot of wrap 10’s. Would you recommend the effect for control of the lane? I also have been looking at the radioactive vibe for the same reason.
I wonder if the carry is less affected because you throw more revs than the average bowler? I throw it about like you, but less MPH, so obviously a few less revs. I found that a 14lb didn't carry as much as 15 for me. Started back bowling last year after 10 years off for injuries/surgeries/etc, and figured I'd go down to 14 because it wouldn't matter much, and it might help my shoulder and arm, which both have issues. Well, I got most of my form back, at least enough to score, and proceeded to beat the pocket to death for weeks with my 2 new 14lb balls. Beautiful pocket hits, and I'd leave the entire back row over the course of the night, every week. Finally, I had an old 15lb Jigsaw Trap that was my last 15lb I got before I quit. Always thought it was a turd back then, didn't like it, but I pulled it out one night since it didn't hook as much as my new stuff. (I had the weight hole filled, no other changes) Boom, boom, boom, my carry came back. Kept going back and forth with the newer 14lb stuff, but somewhere in the 2nd game, I'd get frustrated with the carry and switch to it, and I'd score better. Finally talked myself into just going with it from the get-go during summer league this summer, and proceeded to average 220 or so for the last 6 weeks. (I wasn't bowling that great, either, I was just scoring better) Gave my kids the 14lb balls and drilled a couple of new 15lbs balls. So after all that anecdotal evidence, my question, or maybe my thought is, maybe the weight might matter more to someone with less revs? That doesn't throw as strong a ball as you. My driller swears he uses 14lbs and his carry is the same, but I got tired of looking at the whole back row every night, frame after frame, and going back to 15 stopped that for me. Maybe now that I'm more practiced up, I might give the one 14lb that I still have another shot, I sure did like the lighter weight for "wear and tear" reasons, lol. My one other thought on the video is, I've always thought the surface makes more difference than anything. Your results seem to bear that out.
I've seen so many bowlers using a ball that is too heavy, this shows that lower weights can be effective. My Dad had the same bag that is on the picture on the wall.
Thanks for making this video. Ive always wonder why buy a 13lbs ball instead of 14 when it doesn't have the new fancy core that everyone is hyping up. 13lbs thru 11 all have the same core with different numbers. Just a big lightbulb looking thing. Glad to know the "generic" core performs well. Would you say if you can handle 14 comfortably you should? What's the point of making dozens of new cores if they don't have an advantage. They should all just be mushroom/lightbulb shaped then.
Yes, use the heaviest weight possible that you can handle. At the end of the day, the coverstock is still 75-80% of your total reaction. Core and layout account for the rest.
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.. I appreciate this video so much. I understand why you throw the balls on a similar pattern, speed and such. However what about the people who struggle with rev rate and have a much slower speed (like 9-11mph). Just wish a normal or slower throw could be seen cause it seems like speed will affect motion of the ball.
The real question is why the companies charge the same price for a generic core versus the specific core that should be in the balls in lighter weight? This isn't just a Brunswick thing, this is a storm thing as well. You're paying the premium price, for a dated, generic weight block
It might hit on your dray ass lanes, but play a fade shot and watch that 13 take out the 10.. the lighter you go the more entry angle you need. Rev rate is also important. It is also easier to push through the breakpoint as there is less friction. I have averaged 225 with a 13lb and a 12lb for a league season, but that being said they are less versatile than the 14 or 15. More important though if you need to drop to a lighter weight the lighter balls are workable, but you will have to adjust your game. A good point the lighter weight cores are more forgiving and can improve your game.
I’ve heard so much good stuff about this ball I was gona get it last week but I went with the black widow 3.0 still an amazing ball but I kinda regret it lol as of rn I think I’m getting hammer effect next love watching how strong the hook is it’s so satisfying ❤
@@brunsnick If the coverstock is so amazing and any core will work, and your vid just basically proved it, why should we worry about cores then? Isn't that the catch 22 to this? The core doesn't matter, yet the core does matter.. So is the 15lb better because it has core and coverstock? Yet the point to the vid is to assure buyers that the coverstock overcomes the core in the lighter ball.. which is basically saying the core doesn't really matter.. So.. the core doesn't matter?? Or the core does matter? And buy the 13lb because it works the same as the 15lb ball even though the cores are different. Which basically means the Huntsman core is not that special, as long as the HK22 is the coverstock... Anyways.. I love the ball, the coverstock and the core.. and of course your vids. Thanks for getting back to me.
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My highest 3 game series ever a few years ago was with the Black Widow 1. 0 from ?? 2001 that my wife bought & I inherited a few years ago. Im a 68 yr old 2 hander & throw 14# mostly now with nothing but a higher average to show for it !!!!
Your average rev rate was actually lower on the 13lb, by one. I was thinking it would be much higher too. 30 years ago i used plastic and hard urethane since I hooked it so much. Now, after not bowling much over the last 10 years, I can't hook a rubber playground ball😂😂😂😂. Ty for your videos!
I came back after 21 years away and noticed a lot more oil on the lanes than before. The outsides are actually drier at some places though. Try to move over more around 5-7 board to create friction.
The specto rev rate is kind of all over the place but taking enough shots and averaging them got me where it is and should be decent enough to show heads up with same type of ball.
Sounds different for sure, could be a oil/lane condis. but, looks like you play the 13 further out. were as the 15 you kinda have to stay on target. Just what my eyes are seeing 🤷♀. Really want this one but not sure that I need it.
He’s using what’s called a Sarge Easter grip. He’s posted videos dedicated to this topic if you’re interested in learning more. I also converted to this just a few months ago and find it to be very comfortable.
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No, I’m saying coverstock matters 75-80% and cores and layouts make up the rest. I’m saying that if you throw 12-13 ball, the performance is still top notch.
Nick, I have to disagree with you about best ball of 24. I am going with the widow 3.0 as the best ball of 24. As far as weight goes, I say throw what feels comfortable to you and let's you get out and bowl.
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Obviously your skill level is good enough to make good corrections quickly, but seems as though you dont get the over/under reaction that we weaker bowlers find when we throw a strong ball (like the Hazmat, my favorite). The 13 may be the best way to go for those of us pushing 70. Pl3nty of ball, just not so much physical effort necessary.
I appreciate this video so much. I started bowling again last summer after several years away. My doctor and PSO both said that I needed to drop down in weight. I dropped down to 12#. When I would post questions or comments on forums regarding new balls the reaction was always dismissive or ridiculing because I wasn't throwing a "man's weight". So many people thought they were experts and told me I was wasting my time, and money, when I bought my Madness because of the core. I stopped posting and asking questions on the forums. I don't have delusions of being the next Weber, Roth, or Anthony. I just want to enjoy myself and have fun with my child. I hope some of the "experts" out there see your video. Thank you for this, and all you do, Nick
That’s a bummer but unfortunately there are those people out there. Enjoy the sport! It can be done with any weight at any age.
I feel u 💯! I have psoriatic arthritis and bowled scratch for years but have been sidelined in the last few years because it just got worse and worse. I'm on my 4th biologic and on the verge of taking my left leg below the knee because of the pain. I'm a golf pro, and it's heartbreaking to me that I'm not able to play as much as I used to. I am a master fitting pro as my job, but at least I still play to a 4 handicap and try to play a "few" times a year. I'm determined to bowl again after my 900 global split 360 degrees sitting in my club room for a couple of years. Point is... I went to a 14-lb ball and was given crap for it because I'm a big dude, but there is so much more to it than just being able to "handle" a bigger ball. I rolled 16lb balls for years and years. I am really strong, but if I tried to roll that, i would fall over. Keep on keeping on! 14, 13, 12 whatever ❤
Do what's right for you my bother! I just started bowling again as well. I bought a 13#. And it's the shit. Now I'm ordering a 12#er for the days I'm feeling not so... Have fun and mostly pick up your spairs. I have 13 outings (3 games each outing) with the the 13#er and have a 144 average. I can just get "better!" Got in the 170's five times and 180"s twice. I'm stoked and having fun. Just need to pick up more spares!!! Shout out to BrunsNick, thank you dude! Love your presentation.
I also dropped down to 12lb bowling ball. I bowl very well with it. I don't struggle anymore like I did with 14lb. My arm doesn't get tired, and control it fine with 12lbs. Bowling is not a macho thing. Bowl with the weight one is comfortable with. That's all that matters.
Hey BrunsNick....thanks to your informative videos - this Senior (12 Pound - from 14) purchased Hammer Purple Urethane, Scorpion Low Flare, Hazmat....and now I'm calling my Pro Shop for this one! My game has changed for the better!
Awesome Ralph! You won’t be disappointed. 🙌🏻
This is the video I wanted to see. I need to drop down from 15lb to 13lbs. This ought to raise my confidence level immensely.
Thanks for this review sir. I throw a 12lb because of health issues. Avg 199. Awesome to see reviews for lighter weight.
I switched to 14lb when I hit 40. I definitely increased my rev rate. Went to 13 at 65 because of health issues but mostly because of an arthritic middle finger. I can still throw a string once in a while, especially with the nu blue and purple hammers! Keep making great videos!
Nick
62 YO back surgeries and knee surgeries- just got back to League and my 15 lb ball feels like a cannonball. I was going to go down to 14lbs but after watching this maybe 13 is my lucky number. Great video. Thanks
Thanks! Have at it!
Maybe fewer messenger with 13 vs 15, bur 13 still hits like a HAMMER!!! Thanks as always for the video.
I love that HK 22 shirt. LOL!
Thanks! It’s one of my favorite designs!
This was a great vid.
It tells us seniors we should not feel ashamed to use 13 lbs as we won't lose performance and may actually gain a different type of performance.
13 lbs had way more backend than the 15 lb ball. This makes sense as the same super responsive coverstock has less weight to deal with and was able to move the ball left faster and harder once it saw friction.
The higher overall RG stops the core from revving up too much and standing up the ball early, so it has plenty left later.
Great ball review, great shirt, great ball.
Thanks, thank you and thanks again!
Excellence in action. Saving video to share with bowlers with this concern. Thank you Nick for another showcase of your high level of expertise and talent. By the way, awesome shirt!
Thank you!
Hey thanks I was always curious about this topic. I had to go down to a 12lb ball this year. Currently throwing a Black widow 2.0 hybrid..
I’ve played around a bit with 14 pounds, for me I believe the entry angle is greater and that is the key to good carry. 14 seems to get the job done just fine so like you Nick when the time comes I’m going to 14 and won’t look back. Nice video, Effect is a monster.
Yea I just recently dropped to a 14lb ball ..I love it Rev rate went up I have more control the carry is great I'm loving it
Nick, you've got me thinking about dropping ball weight. My ball speed has come down as I've gotten older and I believe it may be time to finally bite the bullet on this. Thanks.
If you’re struggling to throw it, definitely drop down in weight.
I'm in my late 60's and my ball speed isn't what it used to be. At one time I was speed dominant. Now the down lane ball speed is measured at 11 mph. Messengers are a thing of the past and blowing a 5 into a 10 (I'm a lefty) is rare. I'm tossing weaker equipment with long pin to PAP distances in order to get as much length as possible to compensate. Also worth noting is I have a 14 lb. plastic spare ball that travels between 13-14 mph when I use it on left corner spares, so it stands to reason I'd have a similar ball speed with my first ball if I dropped the weight from 15 to 14 lbs. It stinks getting old - everything hurts now.@@brunsnick
@@brunsnick Nick, I was wondering if you could revisit the 13 lb. test by throwing the ball more slowly. You throw the ball at 17-18 mph. At this speed there may not be a discernable difference in hitting power between equipment weighing 13 and 15 lbs. To be fair you would need to throw the 15 lb. ball as well but, if you could achieve a down lane ball speed of 11 mph with both balls, we might be able to see if there is a difference in hitting power between both pieces of equipment. Thanks.
This was so helpful to me and justified the expense of the higher end balls while only able to throw 13 pounders. Thank you so much!!
Glad it helped!
Historically I have always played a straighter shot, kind of the old school "down and in" and, over the last few years I have struggled with ball overreaction and overall arsenal over/under, because when I move right (Im a lefty) accuracy issues creep up. So I've tried everything on this house shot, from polished asym pearls, to urethane, to using new coatings etc etc. The biggest difference Ive made was dropping from 16lb down to 14lb. Im currently throwing a 14lb TNT Explode hit with a dull 3000, and it allows me to control the ball speed more consistently.
Love the reviews and insight, got me a HK22 shirt coming in, it is on everything!
Awesome! Thank you very much!
I had an injury and had to drop from #15 to #12, and my average actually went up quite a bit. I was able to generate more revs and speed while also being more consistent and under control.
I think it is also important to take into account the effects of fatigue on the arm when comparing the different weights when bowling a block of games vs. just 1 game.
I have rebuilt my strength after my injury and am stronger than before my injury, so I moved back up to #14. I have no plans of ever going back to #15 even though I am physically stronger now.
Just got mines in the mail today 👏🏾
Thanks for doing the 13lb comparison, its what you do when you get older. You can tell the difference down the lane, one rolls heavier than the other and the 13lb should jump harder off the dry. I am not sure you can tell the difference in the pins. .. thanks ..
Hi Nick, glad you did this as didn’t realise there are different cores. If not seen this video I’d assume that a 13lb had the huntsman core as that’s the big sales pitch behind this ball.
I was surprised to see this video pop up. Im planning to drop from 14 to 13, wondering if its worth it, great video
more power through the pins with 15, thanks for posting, so u think this is better than the new widow ? gonna get either one in 14 lb this spring, luv the vids
How did you conclude that from this video?
just the way the ball exited the deck farther left , and a heaveir ball crashing the pins
SPECTO data had the 13lb ball exiting the pin deck further left.
Wound up getting a 13# Effect, best ball I’ve ever had, driving through the pins and watching pins explode , thanks for all ur posts
Great video ,Thank you,John Madden
Seems pretty clear from your data that the "generic" core doesn't show a lot (or any) performance drop-off. So that makes me wonder: does this mean that of the extra fancy cores in heavier balls (like the huntsman - where we hear about how innovative and amazing it is) aren't actually as important as we're told that they are? If these results can be achieved with a simplistic generic core, what's the advantage to all of the highly technical cores that we receive?
That’s one way to look at it. At the end of the day, the coverstock is still 75-80% of your total reaction. Core and layout account for the rest.
Yeah cover and surface are the majority of your reaction.
Nick, I love your shirts 😊
Thanks Tim!
Is the 60X5X20 your standard drilling? I see you use it on most of your videos.
Could you and Phil do a video on what those numbers mean and how they effect the balls motion?
Yes that’s the layout I use for all reviews and one I have had success with over history.
I bowled in 2 leagues using a 14 lbs Hammer Black Widow. However, mid Feb (2024) I had a tear of the medial meniscus in my left knee (my throwing leg) while practicing one day; didn’t need surgery. However, my orthopedic instructed me to skip on bowling 26 wks to allow my knee to heal. Fast forwarded, my knee healed to the point where I was able to join a league this fall. Problem is I can no longer throw my Black Widow which I had a 191 & 201 avg. in 2 different leagues because it puts too much strain on my injured knee. So I bought a 13 lbs Brunswick Ethos. The Ethos will slowly hook but with no driving force through pins and less pin action. Would the 13 lbs Hammer Effect hit the pins hard like my 14 lbs Black Widow? I was thinking about trying the 13 lbs Hammer Effect.
So I havent bowled for 34 years. In 1990 I rolled a Columbia Yellow dot, 16 lbs. I was never a big hook guy, just a nice moderate on. I was a 194 avg.
so right now, for the last month I have been throwing a 14 lbs Rhino Black/Blue/Silver R12 reactive…….its got a lot of back end bite, which Im not used too.
My speed is 10.25-11 on a relaxed shot….and around 13-13.5 …….I would really like to get upwards of 15mph.
4 step slow approach and not a very high arc……because Im old!! ….anyway……if I dropped to 12/13 would my speed increase and my hook decrease? Help!!
I just bought the Attention Star. I guess i should have waited for this one.
I'm new to bowling on a serious level and I was given a Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid... but it's only a 13lb ball. I'm used to throwing a very old 14lb that was drilled for someone else's hand. I throw very straight as I don't have a hook yet. Should I redrill the 13lb BW or find something else?
You should definitely have any ball fit to your hand. The heavier you can handle the best.
Great video, and what a finish hahaha...
What's up Nick, I appreciate this video. I'm a Radical staffer and currently throw 14lb. I'm very rev dominant so I would love to pick up a couple mph. I might punch up a 13lb or 2 to try it out!
There you go Tim! Just know sometimes some higher end Radical balls aren’t made in 13.
@@brunsnick yes sir, I'm aware, thanks again!
Hi - I have a question. I’m in a Junior League. This is my 2nd year of bowling. I use a 13 lb TROPICAL SURGE & am looking to upgrade. The speed that I throw the ball at is about 13 mph. The lanes are light to oily. My question is what you think of THE ROAD or HY ROAD as an option?
Many thanks in advance for your advice and assistance.
Normal I play 15. But now 13 pound. Great ball. Higher scores. It tells us seniors we should not feel ashamed to use 13 lbs as we won't lose performance and may actually gain a different type of performance. 13 lbs had way more backend than the 15 lb ball. Great Video Thanks for that. Love from Holland
Can you please explain what the expansion hole is for on the 13 pound ball and when you need to drill that hole?
Expansion hole?
If you mean balance hole…it is now illegal everywhere
What is an expansion hole? Do you mean the vent hole?
@@brunsnickSorry, I meant the vent hole you drilled in the 13 pound ball. I guess I don't understand what that is used for. I have never had that drilled into any of my bowling balls.
Vent hole lets me keep the ring finger extra snug and I don’t pop out of it. I don’t care for that sound.
Great video review. I have pressure on the back of the thumb hole. Thinking about moving my thumb pitch 1/16-1/8 of an inch towards my fingers and 1/8 toward my little finger. Or should I just shorten the span 1/8. Would greatly appreciate your advice
Hard to say. Best to check with your pro shop and show them the issues. It could be a total span too long. Normally if you have pressure at the back of your thumb, you do not go more forward with the thumb pitch.
I have a 15# Ocean Vibe and a light 14# Outer Limits. I am thinking of getting a Black Widow 2.0 because I don’t have a solid yet. Currently an athletic geezer who bowled a 706 two weeks ago with the Vibe. Do you suggest going with 15# or 14#? Is the 2.0 a good choice for me with revs in the mid 200s and speed off the hand at between 17-18 mph? And what is that in the little pack you put on your thumb? Answer all my questions, or else!
Use whatever you roll best. I’ll let you decide which that is. And I use rosin in the pack.
@@brunsnick - 2.0 or 3.0? Any thoughts for my game?
More Speed dominant I’d say 3.0 but the 2.0 is still a solid performer. Just no HK22.
@@brunsnick- Yes, all black balls are good. Phil invented them.
I'm 63 and I've been throwing 15lb balls. My release is no longer consistent with a heavier ball so I've had a 13lb Black Venom drilled. I'll report back on my results. Fingers crossed.
Awesome video on this, I honestly want this ball because it’s just so beautiful 🤣🤣 that and also I’m getting rid of my Tenacity Grit to a Youth bowler and will need something to feel that gap better than my 2.0 hybrid would, you keep putting videos like this out i might just have to concede and get one🤣🤣🤣
So I enjoy your comparison's on lighter weights... I had hand surgery and have been out for 2 years... I came back throwing a 10lb and now I'm up to 12lb ... I averaged 230 + for the past 15 years and finding the lighter ball fun to throw. I have a 13 but still can't seem to throw it for more than 6 frame before hand issues... So in your opinion what 12-13 lb balls would be my best choice ??
With my 12lb. Storm surge 2 weeks ago i had a 298 with a 5-7 and a 769 series... was very gratifing to have these results with an entry level ball....
It all depends on how you throw and what lanes conditions you bowl on. Just have to match the cover strength to your game and you’ll create the proper entry angle to strike with a 12lb ball.
Being most of the 13lb balls have the same core how would a 13lb arsenal look
A mix of cover types and strengths with a few choice layouts. Covers are most important.
I think it would be cool to see a comparison video using the hammer effect with a with a counterbalance hole. Without. Especially since they made it illegal to use counterbalance holes I would genuinely like to see how much it alters the ball motion down lane.
I noticed this is a ball drilling video on you drilling the Effect. Question, what is the little pinhole you still above ringer? And, for what reason?
Vent hole for the ring finger.
I went from 13lb to 15lb, then down to 14lb. I am happy with 14lb so far
I started throwing a 14 at the start of this last league. We're almost done and I've really come to like the lighter ball.
@@nathannye4048 I think it all depends on the weightblock inside too, because I have a 14Lb rhino pro gold vintage remake and a forge fire. I prefer the rhino pro over the forge for throwing it easier and putting more revs on it
I'll take the 13# ball every time over the heavier 15#. If it works the same why kill your arm over a three game stretch? If you are so hell-bent on impressing your friends with your strength drop down on the lane and give me 50 pushups. As for me, I'll take the higher scoring and an arm I can still use when I go home. As a comparison, take ice hockey, one of the most demanding sports. Are the sticks getting heavier as you get to higher skill levels? Absolutely not. The pro sticks are so light you can mail them with a "Forever Stamp". So much for the macho mindset. Glad to see Brunswick making waves. That was my first ball when I started bowling
You're right, there's no sense in throwing a heavier ball if you can't control it or throw it with authority!
The fact that the pros dont use 13 pounds means they know its different especially when dealing with patterns or centers that dont hook much. It doesnt work the same. This test was performed in a easy pattern. Make it harder to hook and those light pockets wont carry not as much as compared to a 15 pounder.
If I built an arsenal in league of 13 lb what would be your recommendation. Love this video
The strategy wouldn’t differ really based on weight. Base most of the decision around cover types and strengths. Need a benchmark, need an angular one and need a dry lane ball for a good 3 ball league arsenal.
@@brunsnick Would you mind giving me an example of a benchmark, and an angular ball, in the Hammer line?
@@carlchilders4813 Scorpion Low Flare is a benchmark and Effect/BW 2.0 Hybrid/Scorpion Strike are angular
@@brunsnick Thanks, Nick!
Nick, what’s the best hammer ball for me? I’m throwing around 13 miles an hour with high rev rate the black widow just hooks too much for me. I’m looking for something that I can control and get out there further down the lane. Gotta help me man.
Need a milder cover strength, check out the Vibes.
@ thanks Nick
I quit bowling for almost 10 years and when I started back I started using 14lbs instead of 15 pounds. I shot a state record 888 with a 14 and multiple 800s and 300s. I see no reason to throw 15+
I'm a 60 year old woman and throw 13# ball. Most seem to think I would be better off throwing a 14# ball but it doesn't seem like it from what you say here. I bought a 14# and feel like I drop it a lot. It feels very heavy at the bottom. I have so much more control with the 13# but get so much more pin action with the 14#. I almost bought a 14# Effect but decided to watch some more reviews. Your's popped up. So glad it did. I guess I should stick with 13#. Still not 100% sure though because of increased strike factor I seem to have with 14 vs 13. Decisions, decisions. Any advice?
Have a question if you don't mind. I currently have the hazmat and nu hammer. My question is I was thinking about the top of my bag with an extreme envy and maybe adding a widow 3.0 or envy tour solid as a benchmark. Would that work well as arsenal in your opinion? I do also plan on ordering this hammer effect but I don't know where it will fit in that arsenal other than maybe taking the place of the hazmat? Would the arsenal be from top to bottom. Extreme envy, hazamat or effect,then benchmark either widow 3.0 or envy tour solid, then nu hammer. Would that be accurate?
Yes, that seems right to me. Extreme Envy/3.0 up top or Envy Tour to start until the lanes break down then get into Hazmat/Effect type balls.
Thanks , I don’t know if there is much difference between 15 to 14 on gb2 and gb4 hyper kinetic 22 . But I throw a 15 envision solid a love it along with a pearl gb4 a love it . I do struggle with the 14 gb4 22 but I know it’s great 4-6 game ball . Thanks for your videos though.
I like my 14lb balls .. they work extremely well for me. I don't think I could throw anything heavier very well. I have a 13lb spare ball, and it works great as well. I do use a 12lb practice ball for working on release and other things. It's really nice to have the lighter 12lb ball for practice, warmup and training. It has worked out very well for me. I will say though, I don't seem to be able to strike as much with my 12lb. I have a tendency to leave a lot of flat 10's with the 12lb ball. In fact, during one practice I bowled an entire game of flat 10's and spares .. entire game was 9 / ... for a 190 .. try to do THAT on purpose .. LOL
i'm still learning with a 14 pound. I need to get my swing and hand position locked in before i can think about going up in weight.
@@BassRacerx - for me, 14lb is the heaviest I will ever go. It works just about perfect for me, and since I am already 61 ( old guy) I can't imagine throwing heavier balls. Probably need to get a 10lb DUO before too long 🤣.. which, by the way, if you are looking for a great performance ball in a real light weight, RotoGrip DUO is about the best you can get. It is the only ball, that I know of, in that performance that is available in such a light weight. My wife now has 2 of them in 10lb .. they are great balls!
One more question, with the 13lb drilled the same as your 15lb. Did you start rolling over the thumb?
@@MrYoung22_ no
I just bought a 14 pound archetype. Hybrid, how would this 13 hammer effect compared to the archetype Hybrid?
Cleaner and sharper I think.
When I would bowl again I would have to modify the way I used to bowl because of a quad injury. I won’t be able to hook my right leg (surgically repaired leg) around my sliding leg (left leg) I have to lift my toe forward on the follow through. 🙂
I guess this is more of a curiosity, but would the lower weight core make any difference in the 15lb weight compared to the normal core that is used in the heavier weights? Is this even something that could be shown off? I guess my inquiry is, would it make any difference between the higher performance cores? From my point of view, the coverstock seems to carry a majority of the weight here. Am I wrong with this assessment? Or is there actual scientific proof that the weirder looking cores do a better job of rev-ing up the ball?
With that being said, I guess I've been on the fence of lowering ball weight due to the core differences. This has put a new light on that fence. I can probably jump over that fence and go to a lower weight ball in the future. I appreciate all of the information you're willing, and able, to provide.
You’d have to adjust the size of the core for heavier weights. Otherwise, you’d have to make the outer core material denser and that would lower the differential too much. Dense “weird” cores create asymmetry and differential, which equates to more track flare potential.
@@brunsnick So it's all based on weight. I guess that does make more sense with the "weird" cores being larger to accommodate the rest of the ball. Thanks for the clarification.
May I ask what’s it the name of the Hammer ball you’re throwing in video?
@@dleonf2832 the Effect
My biggest problem is ill throw the lighter balls too hard if the lanes have decent oil. Sure if its dry house then im fine but if its anything else its a different story. Either hydro through the oil or punch through the face if im not really on top of the roll
Use more surface. 👍🏻
Would 12lbs be significantly different?
Does motiv venom shock 13lb use its original core not generic core? Is it worth it? Im new to bowling and planning to buy one
@@wazzylamit4798 maybe same shape but not material density so not the same core.
I’m looking to try this out but with an arctic vibe. I already have a 15lb and now I’m buying a 13lb. Did your pin distance and drilling change drastically for the 13 pound hammer effect you have?
Same layout, no changes.
@@brunsnick thank you!
@@brunsnick thank you!
@@brunsnick thank you sir!
Hey Nick, I got the 3.0 and Effect. Trying to round out Hammer bag. Do you think I should round out bad with Scorpion Low Flare or would you suggest something else?
Might need something for dry lanes in there if you see the burn. Otherwise, a smoother symmetrical ball like SLF is the right idea.
Hey Nick, building a league bag I currently have the bw 3.0. 15lb I feel like it is burning up before it gets to the pins leaving a lot of wrap 10’s. Would you recommend the effect for control of the lane? I also have been looking at the radioactive vibe for the same reason.
Effect would be the ball you go to when 3.0 is too early or too much. It’ll get down the lane easier and recover harder.
Where do you hail from Nick? I'd like to buy one of those 13lb set ups
MI. But I am not a pro shop, so I can’t sell you anything.
I wonder if the carry is less affected because you throw more revs than the average bowler? I throw it about like you, but less MPH, so obviously a few less revs. I found that a 14lb didn't carry as much as 15 for me. Started back bowling last year after 10 years off for injuries/surgeries/etc, and figured I'd go down to 14 because it wouldn't matter much, and it might help my shoulder and arm, which both have issues.
Well, I got most of my form back, at least enough to score, and proceeded to beat the pocket to death for weeks with my 2 new 14lb balls. Beautiful pocket hits, and I'd leave the entire back row over the course of the night, every week.
Finally, I had an old 15lb Jigsaw Trap that was my last 15lb I got before I quit. Always thought it was a turd back then, didn't like it, but I pulled it out one night since it didn't hook as much as my new stuff. (I had the weight hole filled, no other changes)
Boom, boom, boom, my carry came back. Kept going back and forth with the newer 14lb stuff, but somewhere in the 2nd game, I'd get frustrated with the carry and switch to it, and I'd score better.
Finally talked myself into just going with it from the get-go during summer league this summer, and proceeded to average 220 or so for the last 6 weeks. (I wasn't bowling that great, either, I was just scoring better)
Gave my kids the 14lb balls and drilled a couple of new 15lbs balls.
So after all that anecdotal evidence, my question, or maybe my thought is, maybe the weight might matter more to someone with less revs? That doesn't throw as strong a ball as you.
My driller swears he uses 14lbs and his carry is the same, but I got tired of looking at the whole back row every night, frame after frame, and going back to 15 stopped that for me.
Maybe now that I'm more practiced up, I might give the one 14lb that I still have another shot, I sure did like the lighter weight for "wear and tear" reasons, lol.
My one other thought on the video is, I've always thought the surface makes more difference than anything. Your results seem to bear that out.
I've seen so many bowlers using a ball that is too heavy, this shows that lower weights can be effective. My Dad had the same bag that is on the picture on the wall.
Lower RG generic cores when?
Thanks for making this video. Ive always wonder why buy a 13lbs ball instead of 14 when it doesn't have the new fancy core that everyone is hyping up. 13lbs thru 11 all have the same core with different numbers. Just a big lightbulb looking thing. Glad to know the "generic" core performs well. Would you say if you can handle 14 comfortably you should? What's the point of making dozens of new cores if they don't have an advantage. They should all just be mushroom/lightbulb shaped then.
Yes, use the heaviest weight possible that you can handle. At the end of the day, the coverstock is still 75-80% of your total reaction. Core and layout account for the rest.
Can I ask Why the fingers are offset?
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.. I appreciate this video so much. I understand why you throw the balls on a similar pattern, speed and such. However what about the people who struggle with rev rate and have a much slower speed (like 9-11mph).
Just wish a normal or slower throw could be seen cause it seems like speed will affect motion of the ball.
The real question is why the companies charge the same price for a generic core versus the specific core that should be in the balls in lighter weight?
This isn't just a Brunswick thing, this is a storm thing as well.
You're paying the premium price, for a dated, generic weight block
No, you’re paying for the premium coverstock. And it costs the exact same to manufacture both balls.
Now I want to see the 13 lb core in a 15 lb ball.
It wouldn’t be 15lb then.
Thanks for another great ball review Nick! Cannot wait for mine to arrive next week. Just in time for some more tourneys
It might hit on your dray ass lanes, but play a fade shot and watch that 13 take out the 10.. the lighter you go the more entry angle you need. Rev rate is also important. It is also easier to push through the breakpoint as there is less friction. I have averaged 225 with a 13lb and a 12lb for a league season, but that being said they are less versatile than the 14 or 15. More important though if you need to drop to a lighter weight the lighter balls are workable, but you will have to adjust your game. A good point the lighter weight cores are more forgiving and can improve your game.
I wonder what a 13lb, 3 ball / 6 ball, bag would look like.
Most people don’t realize lower body injuries affect your ability to bowl. 🙂
I can still bowl even with a repaired quadricep (quad) but, I can’t bowl with the same effectiveness as I did before the injury. 🙂
Can a 300 happen with a 13lbs ball?
Sure can
I’ve heard so much good stuff about this ball I was gona get it last week but I went with the black widow 3.0 still an amazing ball but I kinda regret it lol as of rn I think I’m getting hammer effect next love watching how strong the hook is it’s so satisfying ❤
So does this mean the Huntsman core is not that special?? And any ol' core will work?
No, it means the HK22 Cohesion Pearl is that amazing.
@@brunsnick If the coverstock is so amazing and any core will work, and your vid just basically proved it, why should we worry about cores then? Isn't that the catch 22 to this? The core doesn't matter, yet the core does matter.. So is the 15lb better because it has core and coverstock? Yet the point to the vid is to assure buyers that the coverstock overcomes the core in the lighter ball.. which is basically saying the core doesn't really matter.. So.. the core doesn't matter?? Or the core does matter? And buy the 13lb because it works the same as the 15lb ball even though the cores are different. Which basically means the Huntsman core is not that special, as long as the HK22 is the coverstock... Anyways.. I love the ball, the coverstock and the core.. and of course your vids. Thanks for getting back to me.
Coverstock is 75-80% of ball motion. This video is to show that lightweight versions still perform and hit.
Im starting with a 12lbs ball, but thinking I will eventually end up with a 14lbs ball.
Cool video talk tech bowling ball hammer effect bowling ball with dot technology drill anywhere technology and hk22 technology and carbon fiber technology in the bowling ball more strike and spares hitting power at time Brunsnick
I like that shirt bro
I gotta cop that shirt now.
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I would think that your revs would go up on the 13 but it dropped
My highest 3 game series ever a few years ago was with the Black Widow 1. 0 from ?? 2001 that my wife bought & I inherited a few years ago. Im a 68 yr old 2 hander & throw 14# mostly now with nothing but a higher average to show for it !!!!
Sitting here a little upset I have 2 new 16lbs 2 new 15 lbs and now all I want is 2 new 13lbs.
Most people don’t realize what modifications you have to do after a lower body injury. 🙂
90% of the performance comes from the cover. It makes sense that the core wouldn't change too much
Definitely couldn’t tell the difference with an eye test.
Your average rev rate was actually lower on the 13lb, by one. I was thinking it would be much higher too. 30 years ago i used plastic and hard urethane since I hooked it so much. Now, after not bowling much over the last 10 years, I can't hook a rubber playground ball😂😂😂😂. Ty for your videos!
I came back after 21 years away and noticed a lot more oil on the lanes than before. The outsides are actually drier at some places though. Try to move over more around 5-7 board to create friction.
The specto rev rate is kind of all over the place but taking enough shots and averaging them got me where it is and should be decent enough to show heads up with same type of ball.
Sounds different for sure, could be a oil/lane condis. but, looks like you play the 13 further out. were as the 15 you kinda have to stay on target. Just what my eyes are seeing 🤷♀. Really want this one but not sure that I need it.
Why is your ring finger a shorter span
He’s using what’s called a Sarge Easter grip. He’s posted videos dedicated to this topic if you’re interested in learning more. I also converted to this just a few months ago and find it to be very comfortable.
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I wondered why you were drilling a 13lb in your ASMR video
Surprise surprise 😎 whatcha think?
@@brunsnick pre-ordered my 15lb !
Awesome! Enjoy! 🙌🏻
So what you’re saying cores don’t matter?
No, I’m saying coverstock matters 75-80% and cores and layouts make up the rest. I’m saying that if you throw 12-13 ball, the performance is still top notch.
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Nick, I have to disagree with you about best ball of 24. I am going with the widow 3.0 as the best ball of 24. As far as weight goes, I say throw what feels comfortable to you and let's you get out and bowl.
Got a heads up comparison dropping tomorrow.
Why are your fingers so different from each other
brunsnick was assembled like the frankenstein monster, different finger donors
What he said ^^^ jk
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Obviously your skill level is good enough to make good corrections quickly, but seems as though you dont get the over/under reaction that we weaker bowlers find when we throw a strong ball (like the Hazmat, my favorite). The 13 may be the best way to go for those of us pushing 70. Pl3nty of ball, just not so much physical effort necessary.