As a black South African I’m always confused by how non-ambiguous black American women fight so hard for Tyla to be considered black and other biracial people like Zendaya . Yet the same non ambiguous black women are the first to complain about texturism ,colourism and lack of representation
You need to be a bit more granular with your comment if you’re going to make that assertion. There are a lot of self hating black women out there but that is a segment of black women and they tend to be the most vocal and dumb. Don’t speak for me please. You don’t know nothing about me.
Someone once said that Whiteness (non Blackness) is what Black people secretly wished Blackness was / represented and I can't unsee it. People are still so brainwashed and it's soooo disappointing
The beauty has never changed. It’s white women in white majority countries, Asian women in Asian countries, etc. Y’all just MAD that light skinned women are the preference in the black American community! 🤷🏼♀💁🏼♀
@@55CINCO55 Well, for example, when I was growing up white girls weren't supposed to be curvy or even "too athletic". Now, gym culture is big business and the ideal is to be visibly fit with a big butt and small waist. Beauty standards have definitely shifted, but I can understand how it might seem like they haven't since everything is still so Eurocentric. Even Black hairstyles like box braids have gained mainstream popularity... but only on NB people.
We prioritize our ethnic group and complain about a one sided representation because we do not have the means to control the narrative. Not because we have a problem with phenotypes. Vast majority of us don't. But there are outliers.
@soulanstreets222 You definitely have the means to control the narrative. You control who you support and platform no one is forcing you to engage with these people. Take responsibility for once
honestly, a lot of the time when people accuse someone of ‘blackfishing’ they're just trying to look racially ambiguous or mixed at best, not like a fully black person. They want to look ‘exotic’ while still looking non-black.
@@sharissharee-pm2kqexcatly mixed and black is not the same thing at all imagine saying someone with a whole European and Asian ancestry is black just bcz they have African ancestry in them😂😂😂😂🤦🏿♀️
When I said Zendaya is biracial, people started attacking me and saying that I was trying to divide the "black" community. The reason they clutch unto biracial is because they are living through the privilege of people who are part black while also being part/majority white. Let's call a spade a spade.
Right, this is so true esp with women. It’s like going out with your conventionally attractive friends and thinking the attention they get will trickle down to you..
Ew groase no. U must be young cause the reason alot of the black community claim mixed ppl as black is literally because they go through the same racial issues as we do. They're seen just as black as us, and so If no other community respects them for their colour we have to
And that's wild because Zendaya has always acknowledged that she's biracial and even said she goes for movie roles written for white women so she doesn't take roles from black women.
its black ppl that love to push and make other ppl black, just like they love to make east africans black or coloured ppl from souther parts of africa. they are so desperate and will fight you when you tell them i am not black but east african just like they did with tyla uff
Hell, I’ll see people with no features and they’ll still get called Black just because. The other day I saw a Black woman go hard to claim a white Latina as Black, based on the assumption of her having some African ancestry. 🙄
They keep doing this with Queen Charlotte and its also silly. Oh and don't get me started on cleopatra(she dont even have a single black feature)...her father was literally Macedonian (greek) and their family was known for incest.
As a biracial woman I have never claimed that I am “fully black”, because I’m literally not. It’s as simple as that. 🤷♀️ I refuse to be a part of the erasure of full-non-ambiguous-beautiful black women. I am not society’s “acceptable” version of a black girl - because that’s problematic in and of itself - I am my own person, I am me and that’s that. I respect and support my fellow women of color sisters enough to give them their own lane to shine in. We don’t have to all be put in the exact same box just to “prove” we are on each other’s team and love and support one another. 💁🏽♀️
@@user-wi6cz4hh5b To make matters worse, we have self-hating Black men who are suggesting others get passports and procreate with non-black women. 🤔Their motives are steemed from self-hate and anti-Black views
I had this convo with famliy. Almost all of the men in my family have mixed kids. The kids with white moms get called black but my niece with a Japanese mom is called Blackanese.
I agree being mixed isn’t a race. Black and white= mixed, not one race. However, mixed race doesn’t always equate to being black and white. Many people can make mixed children and not be black or white.
I can definitely tell when people are not Black (like a person who is born of TWO Black parents), regardless of their skin tone and identifying as Black. We (Black people) really need to stop trying to invite every damn body “to the cookout.” It’s embarrassing.”
Exactly! This goes for other Black creators on this platform. They love to cater to mixed with Black and non-Black peoples feelings. Talking about “why this person is Black” or “stop gatekeeping Blackness.” It’s okay to acknowledge differences in cultures and races. Stop clinging to the African (Black) label🤷🏾♂️💯
As soon as you said "the braids is what confuses them" got me cackling like crazy lmaoo. For real though, I am so tired of people in our race complaining about texturism and colorism, but then literally center whiteness or non-blackness.
I can't believe people think the white people mentioned in the video are black. I know a black person when I see one. I dont consider mixed people black. I refuse to uphold that racist and harmful classification. Mixed people are mixed, that's it, that's all. I find it funny that there's no mistaken what a black man is. It's always a dark skinned man. When it's a black woman, she can be any color under the sun.
that's why we got people like central cee in the video right? and countless other mixed/non-black men being embraced and considered black the same way you claim it is the other way around. Stop tryna make this a 1 sided thing
A mixed person being considered black isn't racist, they can identity themselves however they want. Plus a biracial person is black AND another race. We as people have been mixed and have integrated with people for centuries, no one truly knows their full ancestry regarding their race. It doesn't always have to be one side or another, it can be both. Black is a highly diverse race and it is usually a dominate race regarding genetics. We as people shouldn't get caught up in this because everyone won't agree on certain things. We need to focus more on culture and not the color of one's skin.
@lilychoi1312 I think you missed it. She never said a mixed person being considered black is racist. She is speaking about the creation of the 1 drop rule being racist. It was created by white men to ensure that their biracial slave children had no claim to their inheritance. Also keeping in mind that 1 drop of blackness taints a person's dna, which was the belief at the time. Biracial ppl are not black. We can clearly tell the difference between a biracial person and a black person.
I’m so over the discussion around Tyla. Her sister is of a darker shade with more coarse hair, but it doesn’t matter. She is clearly not black, but multiracial (coloured) and her family has been like this for many generations! However, US Americans get so angry about Tyla speaking her truth. They want her to say she is fully black SO bad, they expect mixed people to ditch their other heritage to feed into the illusion of black people being light and pretty. It an obsession atp. And they will argue with “I know many girls with her skin tone and hair who are fully black so why is she not?” 🙄
Someone once said that Whiteness (non Blackness) is what Black people secretly wished Blackness was / represented and I can't unsee it. People are still so brainwashed and it's soooo disappointing
When they say things like that and u ask them who are those fully black ppl that look like Tyla they will make an example of people who are already mixed 😂😂😂😂🙆🏾♀️
It's SO ridiculous. I've heard mofos try saying Rihanna isn't light skin! That b is so light that on a gameshow where they had to guess tattoos of celebrities with their faces hidden, all the guesses they were giving were of white/tan women. Because her skin is literally THAT light lol
You know I was in Italy on a train talking to a woman and she said oh so you're mulatto. 😳 I'm a dark skinned black woman....the phenotypically Afrocoid but my husband is said she probably said t that because she thought calling me black was offensive. HOW???? 🤣🤣🤣 I don't understand why calling folks black or mixed or white is offensive. It's literally a description.
Okay i actually get what the women in the train was doing,you need to understand that those terms are enslavemwnt terms and she did the right thing to not call you Black because 'black" isnt actually a term to specify someones racial group NO!,its an enslavement term used to discriminate being used in the enslavement days all around the world,its actually an eye opener for all people to start to get to know their real racial group and shop living under the veil !!!
Here in spain were i live a lot of people don't like to call people black either lol like instead of the word negro they will use negrito (small black lmao) as an euohemism
@@Gabriel-nw6lb actually they're being disrespectful, they're not trying to avoid being disrespectful, thats their intention, they're antiblack, Spain, Portugal or latin america.
@@silva1530 Most people views on us Africans [Blacks] will forever remain unchanged. Sure, they might be friendly with one they know on a personal level, but their subconscious thoughts of Blacks is VERY anti-Black!
they were legit saying Sarah Paulson (????) could be biracial a couple years ago... and now its "when did Beyonce get so light skin??" . one drop rule should not exist in 2024 😭😭😭😭
That's wild. I've people question WW with naturally plump lips and wide noses on their racial makeup... as if all white people have little button noses and no lips. Reminds me of the weirdos who think every woman with broad shoulders and narrow hips is "secretly a man". 🙄😂
@mayowasworld isn't this the same with Megan Markle (the z-list actress) who got with a spare prince of the UK 🇬🇧 whose fans insist upon calling her "black queen" or "our black queen" it's pathetically sad! Markle has very clearly stated that she's mixed-race! Oh, and occasionally, she's 43% per cent other races. For example, she's now 43 per cent Nigerian.
@@user-wi6cz4hh5b I don't know if people were calling her black, just that the royal family treated her like shit because she wasn't fully white. But maybe I just haven't seen it, so I won't tell you you're wrong.
There is nothing wrong with them claiming their black heritage. The issue is them claiming to be full black when they're not. Monoracial black women are being pushed out.
@@serenitysubs933that's what they were saying ..? Being mixed isn't the problem. It's trying to and successfully taking up unambiguous spaces when your ambiguous, esp if you've had unambiguous ppl in your corner letting you think that's ok and like not slowing down to think or figure differently. Ntm getting defensive then playing victim if someone were to tell you differently.
Even before Tyla came out saying she identified as “Coloured” it was so wild to me that people thought she was black in the first place, instead of like South Asian. Because aside from the braids/cornrows she looks like someone who could be in my South Asian family! Her last name is literally Seethal!! I mean hell she doesn’t even look like any of her black back-up dancers!!! It’s wild how blackness in the media & pop-culture has fought so hard for the one-drop rule that we can’t even tell what regular black folk look like anymore 🤦🏽♂️
I believe it’s like she said in the video…. Ppl clinging to what they are attracted to. It’s literally South Africa yet u have HER as the representation of the ppl?
yes im with you,in South Africa speaking as a South African myself alot of coloured people have South Asain ancestry in their bloodline,im a Coloured to and From my moms side she is very mixed with Idian and Muslim in her bloodline and my other half ancesrty is from the indigeneous people the Khoisan running through my veins,soo Tyla having to represent herself as Blacl is ponkers i tell you !!!
Tbf Tyla is speculated to have Zulu in her blood, and they are Black Indigenous South Africans. She has black in her, but she’s not black since she’s a mix of different races
I never just assume someone is black. I ALWAYS side eye anyone who states a nationality when race is being talked about. Cardi B is good example of this. She is not black (2 obviously non-black parents) but people keep saying she’s “Dominican”. That’s a nationality. They’re plenty of non-black people from the Dominican Republic.
And let's not get started on her also saying she's 'Trini'- she needs more people! There is not one part of her that is culturally West Indian. No references she makes, idiosyncrasies, no sayings, no references to our food, music- nothing at all. I know my people when I see them.
I think this is very American. I am from100% Nigerian decent and living in Belgium, here we don't call mixedrace people black. We call them mixed race. They are two diffrent things.
When Mayowa said we accept non-black people as black because we desire them and want them to be black! Whew…so true. So many people just do not find unambiguously black people to be palatable and seek to replace them with their ideal. I previously worked as a teacher and remember my (non-black) students creating visuals for their “dream schools.” Many of them included absolutely no black people. Others who wanted more “diverse” schools chose AI generated images of racially ambiguous students over photos of actual people to represent black people. Their version of a palatable black person was the color of milk tea with purple eyes, a narrow nose, and extremely long blonde hair. It was hilarious, bc a number of my students were brown-skinned South Asians and had darker skin than the black characters that they wanted at their schools. Also hilarious was that their dream “white” students had mostly black features, but with pink skin and light hair. As a brown-skinned black person, it seemed very clear that many of my students would prefer a school without someone my color in their class.
So true. Not even black people (not all) find unambiguous black people palatable or are comfortable being represented by them. I think it’s also because of the stereotypical portrayal (loud, “ghetto”, hypersexualised, aggressive, etc.) which they want to distance themselves from. We really need to normalise different types of black people.
Flower Tower once said that Whiteness (non Blackness) is what Black people secretly wished Blackness was / represented and I can't unsee it. People are still so brainwashed and it's soooo disappointing
You have to remember, it wasn't black people who defined who is and isn't black. The one drop rule didn't come from black people. All of this stuff comes from racism. She makes some good arguments, but it has to be said that no one should be struggling to be black, or to be white, or to be anything but their individual self.
This is how I feel about Meghan Markle. She she seems like a nice person, and I don't have any negative feelings towards her, but it was sooo weird to me when she married that man and the whole press was up in arms about how revolutionary their marriage was. I get how other aspects of her identity (being american i think? and a divorcee) made the marriage "unconventional," but in terms of blackness, she is about as white as black can be. Sorry I just don't see myself in her never have never will. Maybe biracials can relate.
I feel the same way. Never saw her as a black woman. Only thing the whole debacle showed me was white people surely never lose sight of what is white. But black people will claim anything.
She never claimed anything else to be anything but a mixed-race black woman. What's funny a lot of black women will fight you to claim Cardi B is black woman when she doesn't have not one black parent but in the same breath say Meghan Markle isn't black enough when she indeed has one black parent.
That teeny bit of Blackness she has- and has always been upfront about being mixed black and white- was enough to start such a virulent anti black, racist, misogynistic campaign targeted towards her by millions of people! It nearly killed her. They even wanted to kill her lil quadroons because they were born of her tainted black womb. People forget that whites invented the one drop rule, Brits are the OG colonizers and THEY decided she was Black and let her know.
The way people assume Caribbean = Black shows how little exposure our countries get regardless of mainstream music and the socially acceptable parts of our culture. They heard Guyanese and ran with it despite the fact that he’s clearly.. a white man. As for Central Cee he was lying by omission of the truth. He knew people thought he was a black biracial and allowed that rumor to run since the beginning of his career.
ooh I think “they cloned Tyrone” kind of touched on this idea. the fact that we are slowly moving towards basically becoming white in order to assimilate and get by. and it’s so clever the way it’s done. like the way only light skinned or even mixed race people are encouraged to portray black excellence. like people don’t even consider Beyoncé lightskin anymore ?!!
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hPpl are saying Beyoncé or Solange or even the Bailey sisters are brown skinned and not light skinned. The argument is based on the fact that Beyoncé used to tan a lot in the 2000s but so was Raven Simone. Mind you these women ALL light skinned since birth 😂😂😂😂. According to social media light skinned is reserved for the Ice Spices, Zendayas, Drakes of the world bc they have a white/and/or "other" parent.
@@AngeBiampandouI HAAATE that these imbeciles have muddled the waters with this nonsense! 🤦🏾♀️ Now people don’t even believe my sister is light skin just because she has "Negro" features -.-
@@AngeBiampandouI would say Chloe out of all of them is brownskin, bc she's rlly not that lightskinned at all. Halle on the other hand yea ok maybe warming up to be bs in the summertime but she is pretty light. The thing is too w/ how many mixed kids have popped up and out over the globe and ppl needing classifications they went w/ oh yea so that's who's ls. It was slight first you were mixed to be ls instead of just generally an unambiguous ls black then it was this is more palatable anyway. Sometime back I kept seeing videos popping up abt how ppl are forgetting not every "lightskinned" is mixed and they could just generally be black. but, bc ppl have equated the two and kept going thats what it is. Like that's what they see it like ototft they alr see light › dark, no in between. Even if they yell out not just black n white. Which goes into how ppl tried to say bs isn't a thing like all black ppl are just that..or there's the light mixed ones .like no, mediums ppl..which could be why ppl have in some way tried to say all these ppl are a lighter bs rather than ls esp seeing them in certain ways after a while.
Without watching the video, my theory is that by including mixed and biracial people under the black umbrella, it skewed our perception of what light skin is. Thus impacting the rest of the skin color range.
No no ppl were alr "colorblind". But no rlly, ppl have came back out showing how much they think it's light→dark (like automatically). Like shades, tone, undertones aren't a thing like shades of a shade isn't a thing... It shouldn't be that hard to differentiate ls, bs, ds not bc u want this person in there esp based on desirability no. No, not at all. It's rlly not that hard.
Tyla is coloured. No one in southern Africa considers her or any other coloured person as "black". There's a ethnic group called Khoisan. Khoi-san(oldest tribe in the world) of southern africa are considered as black although they are very light skin. Thats just how things work on this side.
The fact that non blacks are getting better and better at minstrelsy and that the image of what a black or lightskin, brownskin or darkskin person looks like is getting so scary to me like shivers down my spine it feels so odd…
This! 💯💯💯The white want you looking like them but I don’t want to look like them at all we black was made for the summer weather! That’s why darker colours deal better with the sun 🌞 and they get sun burn! White is for the winter weather ❄️ so I love my skin colour 👸🏿😍😍🌞I love the summer!
This is what twitter did with Snoh Aalegra as well. She is Middle Eastern and looks like anything but a black woman but people was trying so hard to claim her as black.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h it all started with her sharing a picture of her dad. Basically people went crazy because her dad had very curly hair (kinda looked like afro) and was a bit tan/light brown in skin shade so this resulted in some people calling her dad Afro-Iranian/black (he isn't), calling Snoh biracial, "light skinned" black woman, etc. I'm Iranian myself and her dad looked like a very typical iranian man I would see on the streets. They have no clue how Middle Easterns look like (and how diverse we actually are). It was a weird situation overall and to me it seemed like some people automatically categorize anyone who isn't white into "black" which is very disrespectful for Black people AND the other ethnicity.
@@prettydoll83 Thanks for explaining, it's ridiculous. I have a friend who looks very similar to her, she's half Turkish though. Snoh definitely looks Iranian to me.
Then she went on Twitter and told everyone she wasn't Black and they still said she was. Some even argue to this day that she is Black, and also dating Michael B. Jordan didn't help because before he dated Lori, he didn't date African women, so they were looking for any reason to connect her to Black women as well.
@@meiko2164 Yeah so much so that y'all are obsessed with being in Black women's spaces and even when you are in your own spaces all you do is talk about black women like an obsession
Literally had a whole argument w my brothers about this on my way to the airport last week. Tried to tell them that all black people don’t come from Africa or even all Africans do not identify w the race of black the same as black Americans do. I’m so glad you made this video cuz a lot of black people in America are confused about the different race categories outside of America
I'm a black American in Europe. Europeans assume I'm from Africa because I'm black. Unfortunately it's not just an American thing. The difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality has people in a chokehold 😅
@@missp00153 l believe it has to do with the fact that deep down(culturally), they consider black=African, white=European, Indians/Pakistanis, or any other darker skin Asians are their own race, and so are Arabs, they don't usually use the term caucasian
Lol your brothers are one of those delusional FBA identified people. Some of the most slowest people on earth to ever discuss anything with (unfortunately)
Every black person on earth is ethnically from Africa . Any DNA test will tell you that . We migrated to other continents whether due to slavery or by choice but all blacks are ethnically African
It's really sad that we "black" people, especially non ambiguous black people have to deal with this. Other groups don't. This shows how powerless black people are; we can't define who we are, others have done it for us. The fact that it's common to say or describe someone as "non ambiguous black " is mind-blowing.
Babes, you stay eatin' 'em UP with your critical analysis of our constant need to make everyone and everything Black without actually ever centering, uplifting or hearing from Black folx!!
The issue is people can be 25% or less and they/we call them black. I accept Tyla saying she is coloured and maybe Americans need to adopt that as a category in race. As you said it is desirability that makes non blacks or mix race acceptable as black. As a light skin fully black person it’s frustrating. I don’t even see biracial people as black because they can benefit from more than colorism, and if their features are more european, they can (as you have stated) choose when they can jump in and out of black spaces and black issues.
Also tired of people bunching all dark skinned people in the black category. A person could have multiple races running through their blood and because they’re dark people will dismiss that.
I think you're right. I am black and I literally had someone at my previous job tell me on several occasions that I needed to stay out of the sun because I was getting "dark." When I am not in the sun, I am a latte shade. She equated my skin color to white privilege. When I politely told her I had no intention of spending less time outside, swimming, etc she felt some kind of way. Being from the American South, I was taught the one drop rule and "passing" as something else never crossed my mind.
Whew, I always hate hearing this. My mom keeps happily talking about how light I've gotten not realizing it's because I was hella depressed and stayed inside so much I wouldn't be surprised if I had a vitamin D deficiency.
South African black ppl would never consider a Rachel or central cee to be black. That’s why Tyla says she colored bc she wouldn’t considered herself black either. But that comes from a problematic past especially with colored South Africans benefiting from rejecting their black identity. For example, a zendaya would benefit from being colored during apartheid just like she benefits from being the black diversity character on tv
Not them acting like Alex Trebek, the longtime Jeopardy host, looked black 🤣 I had a friend in college who had Ashkenazi Jewish heritage with thick 3C hair and she went to a black natural hair salon. She said that the stylists kept asking her if she was part black because of how course her hair was 🙃 The discourse around Tyla's race is so unserious. People refuse to accept that unlike in America, the one drop rule isn't a thing in other countries.
I'm commenting a little too early in the video, but I can't help myself. It's funny how our people are. I grew up being told I wasn't black(I am) because I "talk different". Or because some would learn I was born in Germany(dad was army). There are a few more too. So even though I'm literally who I am, that part of me was rejected by a lot of people growing up, even family. Oddly enough, just like this video, black folks seem to view others who are not black, as black. Basically what I'm saying is, someone who isn't me, gets to be me, but not me. Thankfully, I'm older and wiser so I'm not affected by it anymore.
Racism has f'd up black people and continues to. All this is so confusing and alienating. Just hoping for the day when all this crap stops & you don't have to scratch your head wondering where you fit in.
Shepherds bush is only very recently gentrified tbh back in the day it wasnt that great of an area, also hes from Ladbroke Grove which is a "hood" area. People often confuse Ladbroke Grove and Notting hill.
@@collectivesecurity3074 no problem I just heard her make that comment and cringed 😂🤦🏾♀️ I still remember when there was a market where Westfield is, it was not as fancy looking as it is today....And even still it's really hard to break down a "hood" area from a "nice" area in London unless you've lived there for a while. People hear "west London" and think it's all Holland park and Ealing 🙄.
@@AuntieLux YES. I thought the exact same. One road can be the difference between a 'hood' area and a 'nice' one; to wade in and make generalising comments is quite disparaging, and I can't lie, it feels like a form of gentrification; the complete erasure of whole communities in discourse promotes gentrifiers to move in to the 'affordable'/'hood' areas and force locals out, like we've seen in Brixton and Dalston.
I doubt she even knows anything about bush she probably just thought it ‘sounded’ white (obvs it’s in England) and said it. That part was ignorant and cringe tbh
Mixed people always seem to try to get mad when you say they’re not black. But it’s like you’re literally not tho but they get so butt hurt about it, I actually find it hilarious.
interesting. Im a millenial biracial . My experience is if theri mom is white they try to prove theier blackness or have no interest in black culture. IF their mom is black they try to run from being black saw this alot growing up in the 90's or they where very black entric.
It’s bc through their “ blkness” they can actually utilize yt privilege. Something that doesn’t fly next to actual yt ppl. They know it but will never admit it.
i just want to let you know that your hair is giving HEALTHY, your skin is giving YOUTHFULL AND GENTLE WITH CARE and your outfit is giving MY FAVORITE COLOR, YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN ABOUT IT TODAY!!!!
this tyla debacle has been so embarrassing for a few of the parties involved. and her team getting off scot free letting black americans and south africans rumble when they know what they're doing regarding her marketing/aesthetic. like this girl literally had 4c afro puffs on one of her covers and her real hair in nowhere near that texture. her fans have completely turned me off from her.
Waht turned me off was that she kept saying how she wanted to introduce people to African music, make it and become the first successful African artist because she didn't really see any international popular African artist. Or something to that tune. This just didn't sit well with me bit maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt she is from "a small town called Johannesburg". (That was the first time that I saw people "calling her out" for the lack of better words.)
Coloured people from South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Botswana are African. Many do the same hairstyles as black people and speak native languages. They are a representation of the country they come from in the same way white Americans, African Americans or Hispanic Americans do for their country. Tyla was not faking the black/African aesthetic because it's part of her heritage too... He race is Coloured but her culture is Zulu, Indian and Mauritian.
Thank you. Your message is very important. I am light skinned with small facial features and type 3a long hair. I am NOT the black beauty standard. The beautiful women who are unambiguously black are their own standard. It takes me less than an hour to wash and blow dry my hair, I will burn without sun screen, I can wear foundation from every brand and always find panty hose and foundation and powder colors easily. My experience as an ambiguous black is not the same as that of an unambiguous black. Please don’t make me your beauty standard. I compete with the Halle Berrys and Zendeyas of the world. Not the Lupitas and Kelly Rolands. Recently when renewing my drivers license, the State of Maryland identified me as “Mixed race,” not “black”, based on their photo and computerized analysis of that photo. I get mistaken for a tanned white lady, the experience is not the same. I’m not an ism person, married to a Nigerian though my ex husband is white. But that’s the point, we can switch. Not better but different.
@@strawberry-jq9fu however you want to call it. We have to be careful about wording. Do you think light skin only applies to monoracial blacks? If so then I understand your comment. But it’s true, I’m most definitely mixed. However many mixed people are not light skinned. I do havé two black parents but my father was white passing and most of his mother’s family passed and disappeared. My mother was “light skinned” with mulatto parents. We are MGMs. Multigenerationally mixed. It’s a very different experience. When I’m with blacks and treated as a black it’s very different than when I’m either alone or out with whites. Sometimes I’m asked if I’m Ethiopian but Ethiopians don’t claim me and given a choice will speak to me in Spanish. My youngest daughter lives in the Netherlands and when she says she’s black they laugh at her. They say she looks Swedish - she does. Her father (my ex husband) is a very fair skinned Greek with grey eyes.
I believe wanting to claim all these biracial women as black is rooted in racism and comorism, and i also find it funny how black men don't seem to have this problem 😂 Someone on twitter made a tweet saying Latto isnt black AND white just black because her african genes are more dominant 😂
For people who don't know, South Africans use 'coloured' to refer to mixed/biracial people. (ETA: please see @HereDiianas comprehensive explanation below in which she rightly points out that not all mixed/biracial people would necessarily be considered 'coloured' in South African context.)
Coloured is not for any mixed or biracial people. It's about South African people who have been more or less mixed through many years, had to create a community because of who used to run South Africa and put people in different hierarchy of boxes... And that community like other communities had to develop its own language and culture... in addition to their South African culture, like other South African communities/ethnic groups. A mixed European or American person will not become a "coloured" person just because he/she moved to South Africa. Just like not every mixed or bi-racial person in South Africa is coloured either.
@@HereDiianas yes, thanks for stating this. Someone may be of mixed/biracial races like how 'coloured' people are but due to the contextual history of South Africa they would not necessarily be referred to as 'coloured'.
@@HereDiianas Yes, however during apartheid- all visibly mixed people and Asians were categorised as coloured were they not? I find this very interesting as someone who comes from a light skinned Caribbean family which consists of generation after generation of light skinned people getting together- I'm pretty sure that had we been under that same regime, they would have reclassified us as coloured too. I have personally grown up having several coloured family friends and yes, they are their own group. My Caribbean grandmother was mistaken for a coloured woman back in the 70's by a coloured woman and was shocked that my grandmother called herself 'Black'. They are quite quick to classify other lighter skinned/mixed people as coloured. My husband has also been told 'us coloureds have to stick together'- by a South African coloured, which he found amusing at their presumption.
I literally had this conversation with my manager and a co-worker today that asked me what I loved about the 90s so much and I said the tv shows and music specifically highlighting HBCUs and black people prioritizing other black people that cannot be anything else.
So crazy I was recommended this video IMMEDIATELY after I saw a comment on one of Tylas videos calling her a black queen and I just got SO irritated. As a non-ambiguous black woman. I’m getting so tired of black erasure.Mayowa thank you so much for always speaking the truth 🫡💜
Let's not forget the Netflix controversy of Cleopatra. Her ancestry shown that she was from Mesopotamia or possibly more near Greece, so I'm guessing she was more Mediterranean but bp kept saying she was black and i thought she was black too until they showed her ancestry but also so many Hollywood movies portrayed her as Caucasian so we basically have a racial tug of war going on. Another example is Barak Obama, saying he's the first black president but he's clearly biracial. So in America you have to pick a side but you cant be both. I think identity issues are more prominent in America IMO.
Those are ALL ethnicities that you mentioned none of it races. Races are African, European and Indigenous/Asians. She could still be of African mixed descent a multi racial like Beyoncé.
@@Morenita570 I stand corrected I agree. I think what I was trying to say was that with Cleopatra a lot of people were making it sound like she was all African like she was born there but she migrated from somewhere else. we Americans tend to put people under one umbrella vs multiple. All these issues with racism, colorism, etc I think it's an issue that's never gonna go away 😕
I think the Cleopatra issue also comes from people confusing her with Nefertiti or other rulers. Egypt has a very weird history in the sense that it has had multiple different ethnicities of rulers from other Kingdoms. Even Nubian rulers, or people who married Nubian royalty. It was technically a multi ethnic society with people from lower Egypt being of more African ancestry. However, I don’t like this history change where they try to portray them as completely fair skinned Arab looking people. Obviously, the demographics have changed over time. But it’s comical that they try to erase ethnically African people from the kingdom. It was literally on purpose because the idea of African people having a civilization conflicted with the mindset of the time. They literally tried to erase their contribution! I don’t think people appreciate the fact that historians were actually trying to change history because their prejudice was that great!
@@thezu9250 absolutely! We were only taught in schools on how we were descendants of slaves and the only two people that changed black America was MLK and Rosa Parks. We weren't taught about our inventors, musicians and entrepreneurs that made a massive mark in America or about the kingdoms in Africa. But we were constantly taught about the king and queens of England. And yes Hollywood did have a huge habit of white washing POC that only good POC can be portrayed with white actors. Like a long time ago they wanted Julia Roberts to play Harriet Tubman but she wisely declined. Not to mention that one drop rule only made matters worse. It's crazy 🤦🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
@@thezu9250 you’re correct. It’s also in line with if you’re black and immigrated or was enslaved you can’t be an American or a European. But if you’re white and immigrated or was an indentured servant to Africa or America you get to be 100% African and/or 100% American. That’s why I refuse to call a ‘Boer’ Dutch immigrant colonizer a South African or African American when they moved to America.
The culture of black identity has been globally popularized and driven by americans, co-opted from black americans. The root of black American identity is mixed race people. You're not going to be a generational black american and not come from a ethnic, racial, cultural mix. That's why Rachel Dolezal knew she could masquerade. Not because so many black americans are driven to look white. Many of us have/had family members that look similar. We're not denying them access to this so called blackness and so have become hesitant in denying people who look close to "black". Also, please don't dismiss the fact that we had whole systems forcing whole white people into our spaces of black identity just because they had one black ancestor 100 years previous. Understand this is what has made up black identity.
The black identity is not mixed race. I don't even know what the hell your talking about with that at all. There has ALWAYS been a very obvious difference in experience between black and mixed race. Let's stop being ignorant here. Also those very few white people still didn't make up the black experience so stop bringing them up. If anything they were used as a tool for racism and it still didn't give them a black identity as they were made to feel better than black people because of their proximity to whiteness. This take is extremely ignorant.
YES! this is a little similar to what i've said. like looking back so many non BAs try to clown about who we considered black and who we accepted but with zero nuance and ALL the hindsight. my cousin is a redhead with freckles and pale skin but she is black and comes from 2 black parents. these conversations in general are always missing some BA flavor lmao. but as far as central cee and tyla, they always gave non black to me. and your last sentence hit the nail, the real ODR.
I’m still surprised why we care so much about what people’s race is😂 like I get it but damn isn’t it exhausting We don’t always gotta match skills with race
i know ur not black american so i'm understanding, but so many people lately have been using the ODR outside of its proper context and its kinda annoying. the ODR was never 'oh u have a little bit of black in u, welcome to the fam' it was more like 'OH ur whiter than a sheet of paper but u have some black in ur lineage, therefore u are excommunicated from whiteness!' and what black americans chose to do by way of embracing said people is another story, and not as black and white as people try to make it seem, no pun intended.
We coloured and proud to call that we were born with are natural beauty America stop call every body black we live in South Africa with are history so i said it again I am a very beautiful natural coloured woman from South Africa
ok and here i was thinking i was a hater for making the distinction when someone is mixed vs Black cus folks will be so quick to jump to their rescue. “theyre still Black 😡 “ like yes…mixed with it this needed to be said! 😫 we truly need to let that 1 drop rule GEAUX
Why have the last three years of your videos come forward full force. This is full erasure, if there's any group that is experiencing great replacement it's us. There is a concerted effort to promote mixed race pairings at all costs. Zone of proximity to whiteness. Thanks for speaking on this. We're not stupid. 🐈⬛
and it’s very annoying seeing celebrities like miley cyrus and ariana grande abandon their use of black culture thru music, clothes, and aave when it isn’t convenient for them anymore.
I side eyed them from the very beginning. Especially how Miley exposed twerking to the world, then dropped it and walked away. That did so much damage to the image of Blk women. That was never supposed to be exposed to the mainstream.
this does not apply to Ariana, she has always appreciated black music and still does. She is actually a direct example of people’s skewed perspective of what being black is with the amount of time she has been accused of blkfishing.
@@ofsubstancenotmaterial well i’m not saying ariana doesn’t appreciate blk culture, i’m sure she does and i like her music! but i’m saying that most definitely, around 2019, used a lot of blk culture with her music, appearance, and way that she spoke and that’s just the truth. she just abandoned some of those aspects later on when that era happened to be over which just made me side eye her thinking as why she chose to do it anyway.
Thank you for making this video. It bothers me that there seems to be no boundaries for blackness. You can have any complexion, any hair type, and various phenotypes. Thin nose, thin lips, green eyes, type 3A hair? No problem. You're Black. You can be 1/4 black, and some Black people will still claim you even if you present as white. What phenotypes are acceptable for blackness? Why is blackness diverse, but whiteness is limited? There is definitely a boundary when it comes to whiteness. To be able to identify as White, you have to have two full-white parents. Why doesn't that apply for blackness? Why can't Halsey identify as White without backlash? She checks all the boxes for "presenting" as that race. If some mixed people can identify as Black because they present that way, why isn't the reverse acceptable?
That’s because of White supremacy. I understand what you’re trying to say, but white people are the ones who decided that whiteness is exclusive and everything else is blurred, hence the one drop rule.
Come on with the knowledge! This is precisely why you've inspired me to freeform loc my hair. I want people to see automatically a person that's doing the 'decolonize your mind' work. (Edit: And Jay-Z don’t count. Capitalism ain’t gon save us.)
Just to be clear, Guyanese people are a super mixed and diverse group of people. Guyanese folks can be Indian, African, Indigneous, or mixed descent (as well as other smaller groups). So when he says his dad is Guyanese and Chinese he could be just Chinese and White, Indian/Chinese and White or triracial or even Indian/Chinese/African/Indigenous and White. I do agree that he’s likely less than 25% African. I also don’t think he’s ever said the n-word in music. I also think he’s made clear that he’s not black, because he’s so mixed. Looking at the history behind his last name, chances are he’s partially Afro-Caribbean though.
You are literally the type of person Mayowa is talking about in the video. He is not partially Black anything. If that WERE the case, there would've been some cultural clues by now. I'm light skinned Caribbean (several islands) with part Indo-Guyanese cousins and with a multi-racial Jamaican mother in law, no part of this man looks Dougla/Indo/Afro-Guyanese or multi-racial with Black whatsoever. His father has no Black ancestry at all. The fact that he has been so shy to reveal his background and is so vague just calling his dad 'Guyanese' says it all. He hid his ethnicity to profit off the culture. Tale as old as time. Most of us British Caribbean people love to rep our flags/ cultural background so he's BEEN sus.
Also I have seen plenty of people who are Mixed (w/Afro-Caribbean) look similar to Central Cee, Mixed people have a variety of phenotypes so in truth ANYONE can "look" Afro-descent because phenotype does not always show that you have African ancestors. We in Guyana and Trinidad know this.
I LOVE hearing Alex Trebeck tell this story. I have some white passing mixed cousins, so I thought he could be mixed too when I was a kid 😂 My one biracial cousin used to wear a necklace that said "100% black" and from a very young age, it bothered me. My daughter is biracial and has a couple of biracial friends who look like her. They gravitated toward each other, so even from a young age, I think most mixed/biracial people know they're their own phenotype. Black people AND white people just won't let them be that. I do not let anyone call my daughter black and I tell her that she is mixed. She knows that mom is black, dad is white, and that she is biracial, brown, or mixed, she'll pick the word she prefers.
1. If all of the diaspora can not agree the BA culture is the baseline for "Blackness". Did I say it was correct? Racism is not based in fact but it is real in the hurt it inflicts. 2. The diaspora must agree their is a strong anti-Black American undertow aka internal anti-Blackness 3. We as a diaspora must agree that RACE, ETHNICITY AND NATION OF BIRTH. Cultural norms and vocabulary that change based on latitude and longitude vs dna only mapping acting like ✨African DNA✨ means a shared lived experience. 4. We must all be on one accord with those things and I know the "problem" will no longer exist.
What are your opinions of people from places like Papua New Guinea or Aboriginal? Are the diaspora only Africanized black people, or do they include islanders and Asian black people as well? I think there are some non-Africans who are unambiguously black. As in they get treated as black, and have all the features associated with being black.
Right it’s frustrating. It always feels like BA are being bullied into cultural submission. I’m BLACK.. when I went to SA, they called me “Coloured”. Ok, that’s the term they use for ppl who are multigenerational mixed… as MOST if not EVERY BLACK American is. What is lightskin in America isn’t the same worldwide. Brownskin here may be lightskin somewhere else. We have BLACK family that are ALL COLORS and some with light eyes, ginger, dusty blond etc. We don’t count blood quantum, if u came from a Black lineage, u r black… We can always give “Black” back to the original BLACK Americans who self identified as Black as our ethnicity before anyone went and jumped under the cloak of American Blackness. This “everyone is Black” talk is new and unheard of pre 2000s
@@lucianp2616 the diaspora is all people who originated from Africa. Depending on your values all humans are African because the 1st humans were African. Are dark skinned Asians "Black" because of their non white skin? If their is no common ground on vocabulary then a conversation is just circles with no goal. So what do I I think of them? I don't know, I think of reparations, paying my rent and being sure to drink water.
@@EclecticPotpourri The reason there is no common definition for black is because it used to be called Nword, and was mainly from a place of hate rather than scientific. Now many people label black as sub Saharan African but that's incorrect too because not all black people come from sub Saharan African lineage. It's basically a mess and really black is just a stereotypical phenotype, nothing else.
There is a lot of work to do about this topic because of the damage we have done in the past i was born in the 80s and you would get your head torn off if you were biracial and claimed it. I always felt weird about that, we need to reinforce the difference if this is to change!!
The only thing I would say is with Central Cee and culture. With him growing up in Shepherds Bush/White City Ladbrook Grove he would have represented something that looks very much like inner-city London culture. Where race starts to compete with class.
Omg Bruno Mars did the same thing! They asked him on the Breakfast Club if he was black and he declined to answer 😂😂 He was like “go look it up”. It’s like …sir stop the nonsense. You don’t want people to know you’re not black because you have built an empire off of appropriating black culture and remaking music from black legends. I am racially ambiguous as well. my mother is black and my dad is half black half white. I think gatekeeping blackness is extremely important and im fine with terms like mixed/biracial and making the distinction. I have heard some dumbies say things like “black is whatever the cops think you are” sooo stupid.
Are you really racially ambiguous? If that is you in the picture my mother and grandmother who have always been considered black are much lighter and would be considered waaayyy more ambiguous. You have the same phenotype as Left Eye or keri hilson, which looks mixed with something, dot, dot, dot...but not racially ambiguous. Lisa Raye is not racially ambiguous and she definitely looks more mixed than your picture. Maybe my color gradient spectrum is off because of the admixture in my family, but Mariah Carey, Charlie Baltimore, and Paula Abdul would be considered racially ambiguous to me and most of the world would agree.
@@NiKiMa023 Gurl. "did you..."? Coming for a person's grammar when you don't understand the basic subject-verb-object sentence structure is interesting to say the least😂. My mistake was intentional, your critique is embarrassing in your attempt to 'clock' someone.
@@justgoddessesonly mine is not a critique, it was indeed a question. I wanted to understand how that was meant to be conveyed, like you, I also enjoy some word play. Neither of us is embarrassed, but one of us jumped the gun
@@NiKiMa023 Yea it was passive aggressive like this response and I just entertained your silliness, that's all. The topic at hand and my response is about the poster's lack of racial ambiguity and blk women wanting to be seen and recognized for possessing higher concentrations of non-black admixtures (true or not) and clearly that triggered you. Thanks for the proper sentence structure this time around✨.
As a black South African I’m always confused by how non-ambiguous black American women fight so hard for Tyla to be considered black and other biracial people like Zendaya . Yet the same non ambiguous black women are the first to complain about texturism ,colourism and lack of representation
Exactly
Exactly
You need to be a bit more granular with your comment if you’re going to make that assertion. There are a lot of self hating black women out there but that is a segment of black women and they tend to be the most vocal and dumb. Don’t speak for me please. You don’t know nothing about me.
exactly
Someone once said that Whiteness (non Blackness) is what Black people secretly wished Blackness was / represented and I can't unsee it. People are still so brainwashed and it's soooo disappointing
Someone on Tiktok mentioned how as much as beauty standards are changing they're still very much white-centered.
How are beauty standards changing?
Yep
@@55CINCO55 I also feel this coz it's... like not reallyyy
The beauty has never changed. It’s white women in white majority countries, Asian women in Asian countries, etc. Y’all just MAD that light skinned women are the preference in the black American community! 🤷🏼♀💁🏼♀
@@55CINCO55 Well, for example, when I was growing up white girls weren't supposed to be curvy or even "too athletic". Now, gym culture is big business and the ideal is to be visibly fit with a big butt and small waist. Beauty standards have definitely shifted, but I can understand how it might seem like they haven't since everything is still so Eurocentric. Even Black hairstyles like box braids have gained mainstream popularity... but only on NB people.
"Prioritizing people who can't be anything but black" 🗣🗣yes
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We prioritize our ethnic group and complain about a one sided representation because we do not have the means to control the narrative. Not because we have a problem with phenotypes. Vast majority of us don't. But there are outliers.
lol black ppl still act like victims in 2024, u already have all rights
That’s a bar
@soulanstreets222 You definitely have the means to control the narrative. You control who you support and platform no one is forcing you to engage with these people. Take responsibility for once
honestly, a lot of the time when people accuse someone of ‘blackfishing’ they're just trying to look racially ambiguous or mixed at best, not like a fully black person. They want to look ‘exotic’ while still looking non-black.
They're trying to look mixed...with black.
those people are actually mix-fishing, they want to look mixed (not unambiguously Black)
Exactly, and the saddest part is, they've realized that looking mixed holds more value in the 🖤 community than full black
I agree with mixed fishing not black fishing
They wanna look like lightskin black women
If ur black ur black, if ur mixed ur mixed, if ur white ur white, simple as that.
Dear God, if only people could just be straight up like this. The American westernized racial caste system has messed up so many minds. 🤣✌🏿
That’s the way it should be.
@@davidcaldwell5420 It really has and it’s sad💯
And that's how it is in South Africa
@@sharissharee-pm2kqexcatly mixed and black is not the same thing at all imagine saying someone with a whole European and Asian ancestry is black just bcz they have African ancestry in them😂😂😂😂🤦🏿♀️
I knew we was doomed when mfs was saying drakes son is black 😭😭
Is Drake though. Like I thought I was black and I'm leaving video confused and possibly mixed race. Lol
@@anthonycurtis9148Drake is mixed with yt and black and his son mother is yt. Drake son is far from black.
@@Nashae-kz5bcthat little boy definitely not black and even less than white he for sure albino
His son is less black than him 😂😂😂. It’s literally simple biology .
@@Nashae-kz5bc 25% Black, even less Black than Drake.
When I said Zendaya is biracial, people started attacking me and saying that I was trying to divide the "black" community. The reason they clutch unto biracial is because they are living through the privilege of people who are part black while also being part/majority white. Let's call a spade a spade.
Right, this is so true esp with women. It’s like going out with your conventionally attractive friends and thinking the attention they get will trickle down to you..
@@scpedddThe “living vicariously” part is weird. I always wondered what all Black women do. 🤔
@@scpeddd!!!!!!
Ew groase no. U must be young cause the reason alot of the black community claim mixed ppl as black is literally because they go through the same racial issues as we do. They're seen just as black as us, and so If no other community respects them for their colour we have to
And that's wild because Zendaya has always acknowledged that she's biracial and even said she goes for movie roles written for white women so she doesn't take roles from black women.
literally one feature and suddenly ur black like 😂
This! 💯💯💯not everybody is black! Stop this!
its black ppl that love to push and make other ppl black, just like they love to make east africans black or coloured ppl from souther parts of africa. they are so desperate and will fight you when you tell them i am not black but east african just like they did with tyla uff
Hell, I’ll see people with no features and they’ll still get called Black just because. The other day I saw a Black woman go hard to claim a white Latina as Black, based on the assumption of her having some African ancestry. 🙄
@@cecevanfran9836but u never know tho mixed race black people can look like anything… literally white passing black ppl be fr
They keep doing this with Queen Charlotte and its also silly. Oh and don't get me started on cleopatra(she dont even have a single black feature)...her father was literally Macedonian (greek) and their family was known for incest.
As a biracial woman I have never claimed that I am “fully black”, because I’m literally not. It’s as simple as that. 🤷♀️ I refuse to be a part of the erasure of full-non-ambiguous-beautiful black women. I am not society’s “acceptable” version of a black girl - because that’s problematic in and of itself - I am my own person, I am me and that’s that. I respect and support my fellow women of color sisters enough to give them their own lane to shine in. We don’t have to all be put in the exact same box just to “prove” we are on each other’s team and love and support one another. 💁🏽♀️
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Nobody is fully black in America.
@@meiko2164 did you miss the "non-ambiguous" part??
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Respect🫶🏽
It’s def getting out of hand. Theres this white girl at my job that ppl think she’s lightskin/ blk bc she has WAVY HAIR the plot is GONE.
lol!! that is so terrible omg
@mayowasworld its the obsession with the beauty of mixed-race people. Not all are beautiful but that's not the point for many blacks.
@@mayowasworld meanwhile I get questions like why am I so dark? 🙃 when has black been a light shade
@@user-wi6cz4hh5b To make matters worse, we have self-hating Black men who are suggesting others get passports and procreate with non-black women. 🤔Their motives are steemed from self-hate and anti-Black views
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How did ANYONE think Central Cee was BLACK 😂lets bffr
He was intentionally obscure with his Guyanese heritage. I think a lot of people gave him the benefit of the doubt.
@@TheBest-zi2fp He knew it was a lie as well.
@@joshtondurrah8048 For sure
In my humble opinion, he looks half White and Asian. So, I do not know how folks were confused🤷🏾♂️
I've heard plenty of idiots call him light skin 😂
Rita Ora did this for the US market. We all knew (UK) she was Albanian from West London.
you know what! you are so right!
I’m surprised people fell for it.
I remember Rita Ora being asked outright by Wendy Williams if she was part black.
i thought she was from kosovo
@@UrbanAlchemystic Yes, you're right. She is Kosovan. She was born there.
Bi racial isn't always a blk+white mix. Funny how ppl don't know this. 🙄🤭🥱
It's pale supremacy in the "mixed community", it's so annoying. Based off population numbers, most biracial ppl are not pale at all.
I had this convo with famliy. Almost all of the men in my family have mixed kids. The kids with white moms get called black but my niece with a Japanese mom is called Blackanese.
I agree being mixed isn’t a race. Black and white= mixed, not one race.
However, mixed race doesn’t always equate to being black and white. Many people can make mixed children and not be black or white.
@@badguy565is that not what she said?
@@ljblue77 Don’t project your anger into half-black women because all the black men you know are picking non-BW over y’all!
I can definitely tell when people are not Black (like a person who is born of TWO Black parents), regardless of their skin tone and identifying as Black.
We (Black people) really need to stop trying to invite every damn body “to the cookout.” It’s embarrassing.”
It’s embarrassing girl. Them ppl will not hold us down toward the end 🙄
FOR REAL
Exactly! This goes for other Black creators on this platform. They love to cater to mixed with Black and non-Black peoples feelings. Talking about “why this person is Black” or “stop gatekeeping Blackness.” It’s okay to acknowledge differences in cultures and races. Stop clinging to the African (Black) label🤷🏾♂️💯
Very embarrassing!
Hahah facts "we are at capacity" gate is closed.
As soon as you said "the braids is what confuses them" got me cackling like crazy lmaoo. For real though, I am so tired of people in our race complaining about texturism and colorism, but then literally center whiteness or non-blackness.
Same here👏🏾!
I can't believe people think the white people mentioned in the video are black. I know a black person when I see one. I dont consider mixed people black. I refuse to uphold that racist and harmful classification. Mixed people are mixed, that's it, that's all. I find it funny that there's no mistaken what a black man is. It's always a dark skinned man. When it's a black woman, she can be any color under the sun.
that's why we got people like central cee in the video right? and countless other mixed/non-black men being embraced and considered black the same way you claim it is the other way around. Stop tryna make this a 1 sided thing
This is false. You’re just jealous & obsessed with light skinned women.
A mixed person being considered black isn't racist, they can identity themselves however they want. Plus a biracial person is black AND another race. We as people have been mixed and have integrated with people for centuries, no one truly knows their full ancestry regarding their race. It doesn't always have to be one side or another, it can be both. Black is a highly diverse race and it is usually a dominate race regarding genetics. We as people shouldn't get caught up in this because everyone won't agree on certain things. We need to focus more on culture and not the color of one's skin.
That's so the colorist bm who are usually dark as the night can date whomever and still say, "I love black women. My boo is .002% Negro and Iroquois 😂
@lilychoi1312 I think you missed it. She never said a mixed person being considered black is racist. She is speaking about the creation of the 1 drop rule being racist. It was created by white men to ensure that their biracial slave children had no claim to their inheritance. Also keeping in mind that 1 drop of blackness taints a person's dna, which was the belief at the time. Biracial ppl are not black. We can clearly tell the difference between a biracial person and a black person.
I’m so over the discussion around Tyla. Her sister is of a darker shade with more coarse hair, but it doesn’t matter. She is clearly not black, but multiracial (coloured) and her family has been like this for many generations! However, US Americans get so angry about Tyla speaking her truth. They want her to say she is fully black SO bad, they expect mixed people to ditch their other heritage to feed into the illusion of black people being light and pretty. It an obsession atp. And they will argue with “I know many girls with her skin tone and hair who are fully black so why is she not?” 🙄
Someone once said that Whiteness (non Blackness) is what Black people secretly wished Blackness was / represented and I can't unsee it. People are still so brainwashed and it's soooo disappointing
She can be whatever she wants but she will not bring that coloured crap to the USA.
“The illusion of black people being light..” is so spot on and insidious
When they say things like that and u ask them who are those fully black ppl that look like Tyla they will make an example of people who are already mixed 😂😂😂😂🙆🏾♀️
They want Tyla to be their South African Zendaya.
It's SO ridiculous. I've heard mofos try saying Rihanna isn't light skin! That b is so light that on a gameshow where they had to guess tattoos of celebrities with their faces hidden, all the guesses they were giving were of white/tan women. Because her skin is literally THAT light lol
Rihanna also has colored eyes lol.
I've heard ppl argue the same thing about Beyonce - that she isn't light skin either and I was genuinely confused.
Rihanna & Beyoncé used to tan a lot in the 00’s but they both very light skinned & beautiful! ✨
@@55CINCO55There are dark skin people who have colored eyes. That is not a relevant point.
@@Giggles50 Colored eyes are a mainly a White feature.
You know I was in Italy on a train talking to a woman and she said oh so you're mulatto. 😳 I'm a dark skinned black woman....the phenotypically Afrocoid but my husband is said she probably said t that because she thought calling me black was offensive. HOW???? 🤣🤣🤣 I don't understand why calling folks black or mixed or white is offensive. It's literally a description.
Okay i actually get what the women in the train was doing,you need to understand that those terms are enslavemwnt terms and she did the right thing to not call you Black because 'black" isnt actually a term to specify someones racial group NO!,its an enslavement term used to discriminate being used in the enslavement days all around the world,its actually an eye opener for all people to start to get to know their real racial group and shop living under the veil !!!
Boooooom what you said!!
Here in spain were i live a lot of people don't like to call people black either lol like instead of the word negro they will use negrito (small black lmao) as an euohemism
@@Gabriel-nw6lb actually they're being disrespectful, they're not trying to avoid being disrespectful, thats their intention, they're antiblack, Spain, Portugal or latin america.
@@silva1530 Most people views on us Africans [Blacks] will forever remain unchanged. Sure, they might be friendly with one they know on a personal level, but their subconscious thoughts of Blacks is VERY anti-Black!
they were legit saying Sarah Paulson (????) could be biracial a couple years ago... and now its "when did Beyonce get so light skin??" . one drop rule should not exist in 2024 😭😭😭😭
That's wild. I've people question WW with naturally plump lips and wide noses on their racial makeup... as if all white people have little button noses and no lips. Reminds me of the weirdos who think every woman with broad shoulders and narrow hips is "secretly a man". 🙄😂
im screaming
Sarah Paulson??? Like the Sarah Paulson??? Does she have a black relative or...? Cuz she has always looked white af😭.
@mayowasworld isn't this the same with Megan Markle (the z-list actress) who got with a spare prince of the UK 🇬🇧 whose fans insist upon calling her "black queen" or "our black queen" it's pathetically sad! Markle has very clearly stated that she's mixed-race! Oh, and occasionally, she's 43% per cent other races. For example, she's now 43 per cent Nigerian.
@@user-wi6cz4hh5b I don't know if people were calling her black, just that the royal family treated her like shit because she wasn't fully white. But maybe I just haven't seen it, so I won't tell you you're wrong.
The issue is the one drop rule. Calling mixed people black and including them in place of a black person in 2024 is ridiculous.
The one drop rule is an example of Whites playing chess and Black ppl playing checkers
Many Biracial women take spaces that African women can have as well.
There is nothing wrong with them claiming their black heritage. The issue is them claiming to be full black when they're not. Monoracial black women are being pushed out.
Some of us African's are literally mixed during in and out of Africa migrations lol also y'all are forgetting the eve gene.@@joshtondurrah8048
@@serenitysubs933that's what they were saying ..? Being mixed isn't the problem. It's trying to and successfully taking up unambiguous spaces when your ambiguous, esp if you've had unambiguous ppl in your corner letting you think that's ok and like not slowing down to think or figure differently. Ntm getting defensive then playing victim if someone were to tell you differently.
Even before Tyla came out saying she identified as “Coloured” it was so wild to me that people thought she was black in the first place, instead of like South Asian. Because aside from the braids/cornrows she looks like someone who could be in my South Asian family! Her last name is literally Seethal!! I mean hell she doesn’t even look like any of her black back-up dancers!!! It’s wild how blackness in the media & pop-culture has fought so hard for the one-drop rule that we can’t even tell what regular black folk look like anymore 🤦🏽♂️
I believe it’s like she said in the video…. Ppl clinging to what they are attracted to. It’s literally South Africa yet u have HER as the representation of the ppl?
yes im with you,in South Africa speaking as a South African myself alot of coloured people have South Asain ancestry in their bloodline,im a Coloured to and From my moms side she is very mixed with Idian and Muslim in her bloodline and my other half ancesrty is from the indigeneous people the Khoisan running through my veins,soo Tyla having to represent herself as Blacl is ponkers i tell you !!!
Tbf Tyla is speculated to have Zulu in her blood, and they are Black Indigenous South Africans. She has black in her, but she’s not black since she’s a mix of different races
you can clearly see the black in her more than her indian. does NOT matter though, she is still mixed-race
@@grethi8110 facts
My brain stuttered at the reveal that people believed Topanga was black. Central Cee, but Topanga.... that is nutty.
They wish!
those lips was driving the kids crazy in the 90s
It's the name and lips.
@@afckajjansiTopanga sounds more Natice American to me than African. Other than her lips, I don’t see a single feature on that girl that looks black!
@@afckajjansi The name isn’t black though, it’s Native American (Tongva, specifically).
I never just assume someone is black. I ALWAYS side eye anyone who states a nationality when race is being talked about. Cardi B is good example of this. She is not black (2 obviously non-black parents) but people keep saying she’s “Dominican”. That’s a nationality. They’re plenty of non-black people from the Dominican Republic.
It’s sooooo annoying
And let's not get started on her also saying she's 'Trini'- she needs more people! There is not one part of her that is culturally West Indian. No references she makes, idiosyncrasies, no sayings, no references to our food, music- nothing at all. I know my people when I see them.
She does have some black blood in her. So I'd say Mixed to an extent.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hI don't believe that Trini part either. Maybe it has to do with her team trying to replace her with NM back then. Maybe.
Race hustles is American earn Money🙄🤡☠️
I think this is very American. I am from100% Nigerian decent and living in Belgium, here we don't call mixedrace people black. We call them mixed race. They are two diffrent things.
When Mayowa said we accept non-black people as black because we desire them and want them to be black! Whew…so true. So many people just do not find unambiguously black people to be palatable and seek to replace them with their ideal. I previously worked as a teacher and remember my (non-black) students creating visuals for their “dream schools.” Many of them included absolutely no black people. Others who wanted more “diverse” schools chose AI generated images of racially ambiguous students over photos of actual people to represent black people. Their version of a palatable black person was the color of milk tea with purple eyes, a narrow nose, and extremely long blonde hair. It was hilarious, bc a number of my students were brown-skinned South Asians and had darker skin than the black characters that they wanted at their schools. Also hilarious was that their dream “white” students had mostly black features, but with pink skin and light hair. As a brown-skinned black person, it seemed very clear that many of my students would prefer a school without someone my color in their class.
So true. Not even black people (not all) find unambiguous black people palatable or are comfortable being represented by them. I think it’s also because of the stereotypical portrayal (loud, “ghetto”, hypersexualised, aggressive, etc.) which they want to distance themselves from. We really need to normalise different types of black people.
Flower Tower once said that Whiteness (non Blackness) is what Black people secretly wished Blackness was / represented and I can't unsee it. People are still so brainwashed and it's soooo disappointing
You have to remember, it wasn't black people who defined who is and isn't black. The one drop rule didn't come from black people. All of this stuff comes from racism. She makes some good arguments, but it has to be said that no one should be struggling to be black, or to be white, or to be anything but their individual self.
Ive beeb saying this for sooooo long its exhausting and embarrassing
Wow. This speaks volumes.
This is how I feel about Meghan Markle. She she seems like a nice person, and I don't have any negative feelings towards her, but it was sooo weird to me when she married that man and the whole press was up in arms about how revolutionary their marriage was. I get how other aspects of her identity (being american i think? and a divorcee) made the marriage "unconventional," but in terms of blackness, she is about as white as black can be. Sorry I just don't see myself in her never have never will. Maybe biracials can relate.
You are not alone...many of us feel the same way
I feel the same way. Never saw her as a black woman. Only thing the whole debacle showed me was white people surely never lose sight of what is white. But black people will claim anything.
She never claimed to be anything but a mixed-race black woman.
She never claimed anything else to be anything but a mixed-race black woman. What's funny a lot of black women will fight you to claim Cardi B is black woman when she doesn't have not one black parent but in the same breath say Meghan Markle isn't black enough when she indeed has one black parent.
That teeny bit of Blackness she has- and has always been upfront about being mixed black and white- was enough to start such a virulent anti black, racist, misogynistic campaign targeted towards her by millions of people! It nearly killed her. They even wanted to kill her lil quadroons because they were born of her tainted black womb. People forget that whites invented the one drop rule, Brits are the OG colonizers and THEY decided she was Black and let her know.
The way people assume Caribbean = Black shows how little exposure our countries get regardless of mainstream music and the socially acceptable parts of our culture. They heard Guyanese and ran with it despite the fact that he’s clearly.. a white man. As for Central Cee he was lying by omission of the truth. He knew people thought he was a black biracial and allowed that rumor to run since the beginning of his career.
Facts.
100%
It's called Lying via Omission not Admission, but I understood you and please forgive my OCD. Stay blessed!❤
@@jacquelynn2051 I hear youu😩😩😂 I'll personally never forget lool
The greater Caribbean is actually black by default. That's just reality. Just a couple of countries such as Guyana and Trinidad are more multi-racial.
THIS is social engineering.
100%!
dont kno what this means but I like the sound of it! lol!
Totally agree 👍
Hmmmm
@@mayowasworldSocial engineering is manufactured social or cultural standards. Propaganda is a form of it.
ooh I think “they cloned Tyrone” kind of touched on this idea. the fact that we are slowly moving towards basically becoming white in order to assimilate and get by. and it’s so clever the way it’s done. like the way only light skinned or even mixed race people are encouraged to portray black excellence. like people don’t even consider Beyoncé lightskin anymore ?!!
What do they consider her? I haven't heard that one honestly.
Yes they spoke of this in They Cloned Tyrone. good carch
@@user-dv3kq3rm4hPpl are saying Beyoncé or Solange or even the Bailey sisters are brown skinned and not light skinned. The argument is based on the fact that Beyoncé used to tan a lot in the 2000s but so was Raven Simone. Mind you these women ALL light skinned since birth 😂😂😂😂. According to social media light skinned is reserved for the Ice Spices, Zendayas, Drakes of the world bc they have a white/and/or "other" parent.
@@AngeBiampandouI HAAATE that these imbeciles have muddled the waters with this nonsense! 🤦🏾♀️ Now people don’t even believe my sister is light skin just because she has "Negro" features -.-
@@AngeBiampandouI would say Chloe out of all of them is brownskin, bc she's rlly not that lightskinned at all. Halle on the other hand yea ok maybe warming up to be bs in the summertime but she is pretty light. The thing is too w/ how many mixed kids have popped up and out over the globe and ppl needing classifications they went w/ oh yea so that's who's ls. It was slight first you were mixed to be ls instead of just generally an unambiguous ls black then it was this is more palatable anyway. Sometime back I kept seeing videos popping up abt how ppl are forgetting not every "lightskinned" is mixed and they could just generally be black. but, bc ppl have equated the two and kept going thats what it is. Like that's what they see it like ototft they alr see light › dark, no in between. Even if they yell out not just black n white. Which goes into how ppl tried to say bs isn't a thing like all black ppl are just that..or there's the light mixed ones .like no, mediums ppl..which could be why ppl have in some way tried to say all these ppl are a lighter bs rather than ls esp seeing them in certain ways after a while.
Without watching the video, my theory is that by including mixed and biracial people under the black umbrella, it skewed our perception of what light skin is. Thus impacting the rest of the skin color range.
No no ppl were alr "colorblind". But no rlly, ppl have came back out showing how much they think it's light→dark (like automatically). Like shades, tone, undertones aren't a thing like shades of a shade isn't a thing... It shouldn't be that hard to differentiate ls, bs, ds not bc u want this person in there esp based on desirability no. No, not at all. It's rlly not that hard.
Tyla is coloured. No one in southern Africa considers her or any other coloured person as "black". There's a ethnic group called Khoisan. Khoi-san(oldest tribe in the world) of southern africa are considered as black although they are very light skin. Thats just how things work on this side.
Exactly
Exactly
Preach 🙌🙌
The fact that non blacks are getting better and better at minstrelsy and that the image of what a black or lightskin, brownskin or darkskin person looks like is getting so scary to me like shivers down my spine it feels so odd…
Me toooo omg
Preach !!! It’s getting mad wired
Guyanese really doesn't answer the race question. It's his father's nationality... so not even his. Ambiguous on purpose I would say...
Yall may be running to look white but I have NEVER WANTED TO LOOK NOTHING BUT WHAT I AM
This! 💯💯💯The white want you looking like them but I don’t want to look like them at all we black was made for the summer weather! That’s why darker colours deal better with the sun 🌞 and they get sun burn! White is for the winter weather ❄️ so I love my skin colour 👸🏿😍😍🌞I love the summer!
Nobody wanna look white maybe mixed but not white
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No one want to look white
Same
This is what twitter did with Snoh Aalegra as well. She is Middle Eastern and looks like anything but a black woman but people was trying so hard to claim her as black.
I remember this time 😵💫
No way! What were they saying? She looks quintessentially Middle Eastern or even Turkish. (I know she is Iranian).
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h it all started with her sharing a picture of her dad. Basically people went crazy because her dad had very curly hair (kinda looked like afro) and was a bit tan/light brown in skin shade so this resulted in some people calling her dad Afro-Iranian/black (he isn't), calling Snoh biracial, "light skinned" black woman, etc. I'm Iranian myself and her dad looked like a very typical iranian man I would see on the streets. They have no clue how Middle Easterns look like (and how diverse we actually are). It was a weird situation overall and to me it seemed like some people automatically categorize anyone who isn't white into "black" which is very disrespectful for Black people AND the other ethnicity.
@@prettydoll83 Thanks for explaining, it's ridiculous. I have a friend who looks very similar to her, she's half Turkish though. Snoh definitely looks Iranian to me.
Then she went on Twitter and told everyone she wasn't Black and they still said she was. Some even argue to this day that she is Black, and also dating Michael B. Jordan didn't help because before he dated Lori, he didn't date African women, so they were looking for any reason to connect her to Black women as well.
Sis, that HAIR is lookin' like LIFE! Watching from the wildes of Amerikkka. Shalom global family. 🦁❤️🖤💚
Love how you wrote this! Shalom 🤎
Smh sometimes it makes me sad how little it seems Black people love their blackness.
Who can blame them? Exoticals are da BOMB! 👑👑💞
@@meiko2164 You're free to have that opinion👍🏾
@@meiko2164you're weird
@@isa_virtual You know we be on people's mind. Living there rent free babe.
@@meiko2164 Yeah so much so that y'all are obsessed with being in Black women's spaces and even when you are in your own spaces all you do is talk about black women like an obsession
Literally had a whole argument w my brothers about this on my way to the airport last week. Tried to tell them that all black people don’t come from Africa or even all Africans do not identify w the race of black the same as black Americans do.
I’m so glad you made this video cuz a lot of black people in America are confused about the different race categories outside of America
I'm a black American in Europe. Europeans assume I'm from Africa because I'm black. Unfortunately it's not just an American thing. The difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality has people in a chokehold 😅
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@@missp00153 l believe it has to do with the fact that deep down(culturally), they consider black=African, white=European, Indians/Pakistanis, or any other darker skin Asians are their own race, and so are Arabs, they don't usually use the term caucasian
Lol your brothers are one of those delusional FBA identified people. Some of the most slowest people on earth to ever discuss anything with (unfortunately)
Every black person on earth is ethnically from Africa . Any DNA test will tell you that . We migrated to other continents whether due to slavery or by choice but all blacks are ethnically African
No matter what country I go to I am racialized as black and I have been to every populous continent in the world.
It's really sad that we "black" people, especially non ambiguous black people have to deal with this. Other groups don't. This shows how powerless black people are; we can't define who we are, others have done it for us.
The fact that it's common to say or describe someone as "non ambiguous black " is mind-blowing.
Uhm, it’s black Americans that have to deal with that. The rest of us are well informed 😂 no Rachel Dolezals here 😂😂😂
Let’s be honest. Blk men pushed that bw can be biracial…. Then bw accepted it…
@@tiredoftheworld4834 BM control the black community and they accept us as black women! You females have no choice but to agree! 🤡🤡
"and they'll very much let you know they are not black" lmaooooo you aint lyin
This is a conversation that NO ONE is ready to have but it’s VERY important.
Tyla never claimed she was black she’s coloured
Babes, you stay eatin' 'em UP with your critical analysis of our constant need to make everyone and everything Black without actually ever centering, uplifting or hearing from Black folx!!
The issue is people can be 25% or less and they/we call them black. I accept Tyla saying she is coloured and maybe Americans need to adopt that as a category in race. As you said it is desirability that makes non blacks or mix race acceptable as black. As a light skin fully black person it’s frustrating. I don’t even see biracial people as black because they can benefit from more than colorism, and if their features are more european, they can (as you have stated) choose when they can jump in and out of black spaces and black issues.
"Someone called Alex Trebek" girl.. 😂😂😂
Right! Lol 😂
Also tired of people bunching all dark skinned people in the black category. A person could have multiple races running through their blood and because they’re dark people will dismiss that.
LMAO! Not deciding on a Tuesday that he is Wasian! 😆
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Alex Trebec, Mayowa you introduced him like nobody would know he was the host of jeopardy for 100 years. Nah he didn't look black at all..
LMAOOO I DIDNT KNO WHO HE WASSSSS
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He does look like a "passer."
Tom Jones is another one.
@@mayowasworld Mayowa, Google Tom Jones (Welsh singer). This type of foolishness has been happening for a while!
I think you're right. I am black and I literally had someone at my previous job tell me on several occasions that I needed to stay out of the sun because I was getting "dark." When I am not in the sun, I am a latte shade. She equated my skin color to white privilege. When I politely told her I had no intention of spending less time outside, swimming, etc she felt some kind of way. Being from the American South, I was taught the one drop rule and "passing" as something else never crossed my mind.
As I’m sunbathing on my balcony with my already brown skin . 😅
I love staying in the sun 😂❤. People need to stop being a colorist .
That person was racist as hell.
We are made for the sun! We glow 💁🏾♀️🌅
Whew, I always hate hearing this. My mom keeps happily talking about how light I've gotten not realizing it's because I was hella depressed and stayed inside so much I wouldn't be surprised if I had a vitamin D deficiency.
South African black ppl would never consider a Rachel or central cee to be black. That’s why Tyla says she colored bc she wouldn’t considered herself black either. But that comes from a problematic past especially with colored South Africans benefiting from rejecting their black identity. For example, a zendaya would benefit from being colored during apartheid just like she benefits from being the black diversity character on tv
Not them acting like Alex Trebek, the longtime Jeopardy host, looked black 🤣 I had a friend in college who had Ashkenazi Jewish heritage with thick 3C hair and she went to a black natural hair salon. She said that the stylists kept asking her if she was part black because of how course her hair was 🙃 The discourse around Tyla's race is so unserious. People refuse to accept that unlike in America, the one drop rule isn't a thing in other countries.
I'm commenting a little too early in the video, but I can't help myself. It's funny how our people are. I grew up being told I wasn't black(I am) because I "talk different". Or because some would learn I was born in Germany(dad was army). There are a few more too. So even though I'm literally who I am, that part of me was rejected by a lot of people growing up, even family.
Oddly enough, just like this video, black folks seem to view others who are not black, as black. Basically what I'm saying is, someone who isn't me, gets to be me, but not me. Thankfully, I'm older and wiser so I'm not affected by it anymore.
That’s crazy!
But your experience is valid and thanks for sharing
Racism has f'd up black people and continues to. All this is so confusing and alienating. Just hoping for the day when all this crap stops & you don't have to scratch your head wondering where you fit in.
Yep, it is utter nonsense.
Right. I can't be me. But others can cosplay as me. And they're being authentic and that's supposed to cute?! This is very weird.
Shepherds bush is only very recently gentrified tbh back in the day it wasnt that great of an area, also hes from Ladbroke Grove which is a "hood" area. People often confuse Ladbroke Grove and Notting hill.
Was looking for this comment. Thank you.
@@collectivesecurity3074 no problem I just heard her make that comment and cringed 😂🤦🏾♀️ I still remember when there was a market where Westfield is, it was not as fancy looking as it is today....And even still it's really hard to break down a "hood" area from a "nice" area in London unless you've lived there for a while. People hear "west London" and think it's all Holland park and Ealing 🙄.
@@AuntieLux YES. I thought the exact same. One road can be the difference between a 'hood' area and a 'nice' one; to wade in and make generalising comments is quite disparaging, and I can't lie, it feels like a form of gentrification; the complete erasure of whole communities in discourse promotes gentrifiers to move in to the 'affordable'/'hood' areas and force locals out, like we've seen in Brixton and Dalston.
I doubt she even knows anything about bush she probably just thought it ‘sounded’ white (obvs it’s in England) and said it. That part was ignorant and cringe tbh
@@taysenna8025she has lived here
Omggggg! I didn’t even get through the video and I already agree! Cause please! Everyone can’t be black cause then what am I?
Continuing to use the one drop rule on 2024 is utter and complete horse 💩
Agreed
I am 25% black tell my colored and black family I don't belong too them just because youvare narrrow minded
Mixed people always seem to try to get mad when you say they’re not black. But it’s like you’re literally not tho but they get so butt hurt about it, I actually find it hilarious.
interesting. Im a millenial biracial . My experience is if theri mom is white they try to prove theier blackness or have no interest in black culture. IF their mom is black they try to run from being black saw this alot growing up in the 90's or they where very black entric.
It’s bc through their “ blkness” they can actually utilize yt privilege. Something that doesn’t fly next to actual yt ppl. They know it but will never admit it.
Lol like Beyonce out here representing being black when she knows she's NOT !!!
They always say black ppl are bitter and jealous when we say they aren't black so what's there to be jealous of if they black like us😂😂😂
@@MIA-fq1di This! If you see us as the same why assume jealousy over obvious differences? 🤦♀
i just want to let you know that your hair is giving HEALTHY, your skin is giving YOUTHFULL AND GENTLE WITH CARE and your outfit is giving MY FAVORITE COLOR, YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN ABOUT IT TODAY!!!!
LMAOOO I LOVE THIS COMPLIMENT
Sometimes I find myself singing your intro song 😅 ..... Coloured South African sending send ❤
Same, it’s so good 😂👌🏾
this tyla debacle has been so embarrassing for a few of the parties involved. and her team getting off scot free letting black americans and south africans rumble when they know what they're doing regarding her marketing/aesthetic. like this girl literally had 4c afro puffs on one of her covers and her real hair in nowhere near that texture. her fans have completely turned me off from her.
Agree.
That's so True, I don't want her to pretend to be black so why all the afro centric hairstyles ?
Also, she's like four ethnic groups, so she is even less African than the normal Biracial.
Waht turned me off was that she kept saying how she wanted to introduce people to African music, make it and become the first successful African artist because she didn't really see any international popular African artist. Or something to that tune. This just didn't sit well with me bit maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt she is from "a small town called Johannesburg". (That was the first time that I saw people "calling her out" for the lack of better words.)
Coloured people from South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Botswana are African. Many do the same hairstyles as black people and speak native languages. They are a representation of the country they come from in the same way white Americans, African Americans or Hispanic Americans do for their country.
Tyla was not faking the black/African aesthetic because it's part of her heritage too... He race is Coloured but her culture is Zulu, Indian and Mauritian.
Thank you. Your message is very important. I am light skinned with small facial features and type 3a long hair. I am NOT the black beauty standard. The beautiful women who are unambiguously black are their own standard. It takes me less than an hour to wash and blow dry my hair, I will burn without sun screen, I can wear foundation from every brand and always find panty hose and foundation and powder colors easily. My experience as an ambiguous black is not the same as that of an unambiguous black. Please don’t make me your beauty standard. I compete with the Halle Berrys and Zendeyas of the world. Not the Lupitas and Kelly Rolands. Recently when renewing my drivers license, the State of Maryland identified me as “Mixed race,” not “black”, based on their photo and computerized analysis of that photo. I get mistaken for a tanned white lady, the experience is not the same.
I’m not an ism person, married to a Nigerian though my ex husband is white. But that’s the point, we can switch. Not better but different.
You’re not lightskin you’re mixed.
You said it!
@@strawberry-jq9fu however you want to call it. We have to be careful about wording. Do you think light skin only applies to monoracial blacks? If so then I understand your comment. But it’s true, I’m most definitely mixed. However many mixed people are not light skinned. I do havé two black parents but my father was white passing and most of his mother’s family passed and disappeared. My mother was “light skinned” with mulatto parents. We are MGMs. Multigenerationally mixed. It’s a very different experience. When I’m with blacks and treated as a black it’s very different than when I’m either alone or out with whites. Sometimes I’m asked if I’m Ethiopian but Ethiopians don’t claim me and given a choice will speak to me in Spanish.
My youngest daughter lives in the Netherlands and when she says she’s black they laugh at her. They say she looks Swedish - she does. Her father (my ex husband) is a very fair skinned Greek with grey eyes.
@@m.s9146 so … mixed.
I believe wanting to claim all these biracial women as black is rooted in racism and comorism, and i also find it funny how black men don't seem to have this problem 😂
Someone on twitter made a tweet saying Latto isnt black AND white just black because her african genes are more dominant 😂
For people who don't know, South Africans use 'coloured' to refer to mixed/biracial people. (ETA: please see @HereDiianas comprehensive explanation below in which she rightly points out that not all mixed/biracial people would necessarily be considered 'coloured' in South African context.)
Coloured is not for any mixed or biracial people. It's about South African people who have been more or less mixed through many years, had to create a community because of who used to run South Africa and put people in different hierarchy of boxes... And that community like other communities had to develop its own language and culture... in addition to their South African culture, like other South African communities/ethnic groups. A mixed European or American person will not become a "coloured" person just because he/she moved to South Africa. Just like not every mixed or bi-racial person in South Africa is coloured either.
@@HereDiianaswell explained
@@HereDiianas yes, thanks for stating this. Someone may be of mixed/biracial races like how 'coloured' people are but due to the contextual history of South Africa they would not necessarily be referred to as 'coloured'.
@@HereDiianas100% facts . Thank you
@@HereDiianas Yes, however during apartheid- all visibly mixed people and Asians were categorised as coloured were they not? I find this very interesting as someone who comes from a light skinned Caribbean family which consists of generation after generation of light skinned people getting together- I'm pretty sure that had we been under that same regime, they would have reclassified us as coloured too. I have personally grown up having several coloured family friends and yes, they are their own group. My Caribbean grandmother was mistaken for a coloured woman back in the 70's by a coloured woman and was shocked that my grandmother called herself 'Black'. They are quite quick to classify other lighter skinned/mixed people as coloured. My husband has also been told 'us coloureds have to stick together'- by a South African coloured, which he found amusing at their presumption.
I literally had this conversation with my manager and a co-worker today that asked me what I loved about the 90s so much and I said the tv shows and music specifically highlighting HBCUs and black people prioritizing other black people that cannot be anything else.
You left no crumbs! Ate thus conversation right up
So crazy I was recommended this video IMMEDIATELY after I saw a comment on one of Tylas videos calling her a black queen and I just got SO irritated. As a non-ambiguous black woman. I’m getting so tired of black erasure.Mayowa thank you so much for always speaking the truth 🫡💜
Your style is so stunning, just want to say I appreciate the aesthetics.
Let's not forget the Netflix controversy of Cleopatra. Her ancestry shown that she was from Mesopotamia or possibly more near Greece, so I'm guessing she was more Mediterranean but bp kept saying she was black and i thought she was black too until they showed her ancestry but also so many Hollywood movies portrayed her as Caucasian so we basically have a racial tug of war going on. Another example is Barak Obama, saying he's the first black president but he's clearly biracial. So in America you have to pick a side but you cant be both. I think identity issues are more prominent in America IMO.
Those are ALL ethnicities that you mentioned none of it races. Races are African, European and Indigenous/Asians.
She could still be of African mixed descent a multi racial like Beyoncé.
@@Morenita570 I stand corrected I agree. I think what I was trying to say was that with Cleopatra a lot of people were making it sound like she was all African like she was born there but she migrated from somewhere else. we Americans tend to put people under one umbrella vs multiple. All these issues with racism, colorism, etc I think it's an issue that's never gonna go away 😕
I think the Cleopatra issue also comes from people confusing her with Nefertiti or other rulers. Egypt has a very weird history in the sense that it has had multiple different ethnicities of rulers from other Kingdoms. Even Nubian rulers, or people who married Nubian royalty. It was technically a multi ethnic society with people from lower Egypt being of more African ancestry. However, I don’t like this history change where they try to portray them as completely fair skinned Arab looking people. Obviously, the demographics have changed over time. But it’s comical that they try to erase ethnically African people from the kingdom. It was literally on purpose because the idea of African people having a civilization conflicted with the mindset of the time. They literally tried to erase their contribution! I don’t think people appreciate the fact that historians were actually trying to change history because their prejudice was that great!
@@thezu9250 absolutely! We were only taught in schools on how we were descendants of slaves and the only two people that changed black America was MLK and Rosa Parks. We weren't taught about our inventors, musicians and entrepreneurs that made a massive mark in America or about the kingdoms in Africa. But we were constantly taught about the king and queens of England. And yes Hollywood did have a huge habit of white washing POC that only good POC can be portrayed with white actors. Like a long time ago they wanted Julia Roberts to play Harriet Tubman but she wisely declined. Not to mention that one drop rule only made matters worse. It's crazy 🤦🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
@@thezu9250 you’re correct.
It’s also in line with if you’re black and immigrated or was enslaved you can’t be an American or a European.
But if you’re white and immigrated or was an indentured servant to Africa or America you get to be 100% African and/or 100% American.
That’s why I refuse to call a ‘Boer’ Dutch immigrant colonizer a South African or African American when they moved to America.
The One Drop Rule played a number on so called minirities
The culture of black identity has been globally popularized and driven by americans, co-opted from black americans. The root of black American identity is mixed race people. You're not going to be a generational black american and not come from a ethnic, racial, cultural mix. That's why Rachel Dolezal knew she could masquerade. Not because so many black americans are driven to look white. Many of us have/had family members that look similar. We're not denying them access to this so called blackness and so have become hesitant in denying people who look close to "black". Also, please don't dismiss the fact that we had whole systems forcing whole white people into our spaces of black identity just because they had one black ancestor 100 years previous. Understand this is what has made up black identity.
Thank you so much for this nuanced take!!!
The black identity is not mixed race. I don't even know what the hell your talking about with that at all. There has ALWAYS been a very obvious difference in experience between black and mixed race. Let's stop being ignorant here. Also those very few white people still didn't make up the black experience so stop bringing them up. If anything they were used as a tool for racism and it still didn't give them a black identity as they were made to feel better than black people because of their proximity to whiteness. This take is extremely ignorant.
If we compare to Brazil, I don't think black americans in general look as "mixed", but I definitely understand where you coming from.
YES! this is a little similar to what i've said. like looking back so many non BAs try to clown about who we considered black and who we accepted but with zero nuance and ALL the hindsight. my cousin is a redhead with freckles and pale skin but she is black and comes from 2 black parents. these conversations in general are always missing some BA flavor lmao. but as far as central cee and tyla, they always gave non black to me. and your last sentence hit the nail, the real ODR.
@@eryabolonhaIt's not about looking like anything. That's not the point. Brazil has not globally defined blackness, we wouldn't base it on Brazil.
No lies detected here.
I’m still surprised why we care so much about what people’s race is😂 like I get it but damn isn’t it exhausting
We don’t always gotta match skills with race
i know ur not black american so i'm understanding, but so many people lately have been using the ODR outside of its proper context and its kinda annoying. the ODR was never 'oh u have a little bit of black in u, welcome to the fam' it was more like 'OH ur whiter than a sheet of paper but u have some black in ur lineage, therefore u are excommunicated from whiteness!' and what black americans chose to do by way of embracing said people is another story, and not as black and white as people try to make it seem, no pun intended.
Totally agree.
In a nutshell, Black people are part of the problem, which the creator highlights
We coloured and proud to call that we were born with are natural beauty America stop call every body black we live in South Africa with are history so i said it again I am a very beautiful natural coloured woman from South Africa
I would literally watch long form videos from you 👌🏾 I think you should consider getting in your long form bag
ok and here i was thinking i was a hater for making the distinction when someone is mixed vs Black cus folks will be so quick to jump to their rescue. “theyre still Black 😡 “ like yes…mixed with it
this needed to be said! 😫 we truly need to let that 1 drop rule GEAUX
If the one drop rule is in place almost anyone can be black
One drop rule is an example of Whites playing chess and Black ppl playing checkers bc look at the damage it's done
Yes but the one drop rule obviously doesn’t matter because it’s about the ones who are mixed w majority black and then have other races mixed in
Why have the last three years of your videos come forward full force. This is full erasure, if there's any group that is experiencing great replacement it's us. There is a concerted effort to promote mixed race pairings at all costs. Zone of proximity to whiteness. Thanks for speaking on this. We're not stupid. 🐈⬛
U said it! ❤
“There are people who are black in every setting.” Straight bars! ❤
We need to get back to knowing what black people look like. Love.this.whole.video!!❤keep it up sis!
Yes!!!!!! On point exactly.
It’s like we wanna live vicariously through white beauty standards by claiming that non black and mixed people are black
and it’s very annoying seeing celebrities like miley cyrus and ariana grande abandon their use of black culture thru music, clothes, and aave when it isn’t convenient for them anymore.
I side eyed them from the very beginning. Especially how Miley exposed twerking to the world, then dropped it and walked away. That did so much damage to the image of Blk women. That was never supposed to be exposed to the mainstream.
this does not apply to Ariana, she has always appreciated black music and still does. She is actually a direct example of people’s skewed perspective of what being black is with the amount of time she has been accused of blkfishing.
@@ofsubstancenotmaterial well i’m not saying ariana doesn’t appreciate blk culture, i’m sure she does and i like her music! but i’m saying that most definitely, around 2019, used a lot of blk culture with her music, appearance, and way that she spoke and that’s just the truth. she just abandoned some of those aspects later on when that era happened to be over which just made me side eye her thinking as why she chose to do it anyway.
he rachel dolezal his way into the rap game lol
central cee looks puerto rican or asian where are people getting black😭😭
Thank you for making this video. It bothers me that there seems to be no boundaries for blackness. You can have any complexion, any hair type, and various phenotypes. Thin nose, thin lips, green eyes, type 3A hair? No problem. You're Black. You can be 1/4 black, and some Black people will still claim you even if you present as white. What phenotypes are acceptable for blackness? Why is blackness diverse, but whiteness is limited? There is definitely a boundary when it comes to whiteness. To be able to identify as White, you have to have two full-white parents. Why doesn't that apply for blackness? Why can't Halsey identify as White without backlash? She checks all the boxes for "presenting" as that race. If some mixed people can identify as Black because they present that way, why isn't the reverse acceptable?
Great point 👍
It's because of the white supremacy laws
White people will never never I mean ever accept mixed people as one of them
Because black people I thought can have all what u mentioned unless it’s only about color and a big nose and lips
That’s because of White supremacy. I understand what you’re trying to say, but white people are the ones who decided that whiteness is exclusive and everything else is blurred, hence the one drop rule.
Come on with the knowledge! This is precisely why you've inspired me to freeform loc my hair. I want people to see automatically a person that's doing the 'decolonize your mind' work. (Edit: And Jay-Z don’t count. Capitalism ain’t gon save us.)
LOL at JayZ doesn’t count
They was just playing/ jokeing with Alex, we never thought of him like that
YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL...HAIR..SKIN..EVERYTHING!!
BLACK 👏🏾IN 👏🏾 EVERY 👏🏾 SETTING‼️‼️💥🫶🏾❤️🔥
That was a bar 👸🏽
Just to be clear, Guyanese people are a super mixed and diverse group of people. Guyanese folks can be Indian, African, Indigneous, or mixed descent (as well as other smaller groups). So when he says his dad is Guyanese and Chinese he could be just Chinese and White, Indian/Chinese and White or triracial or even Indian/Chinese/African/Indigenous and White.
I do agree that he’s likely less than 25% African. I also don’t think he’s ever said the n-word in music. I also think he’s made clear that he’s not black, because he’s so mixed.
Looking at the history behind his last name, chances are he’s partially Afro-Caribbean though.
You are literally the type of person Mayowa is talking about in the video. He is not partially Black anything. If that WERE the case, there would've been some cultural clues by now. I'm light skinned Caribbean (several islands) with part Indo-Guyanese cousins and with a multi-racial Jamaican mother in law, no part of this man looks Dougla/Indo/Afro-Guyanese or multi-racial with Black whatsoever. His father has no Black ancestry at all. The fact that he has been so shy to reveal his background and is so vague just calling his dad 'Guyanese' says it all. He hid his ethnicity to profit off the culture. Tale as old as time. Most of us British Caribbean people love to rep our flags/ cultural background so he's BEEN sus.
Nothing wrong with him profitting from Guyanese culture. I say this as a Guyanese. Chinese-Guyanese or not, all Guyanese culture is for Guyanese.
Also I have seen plenty of people who are Mixed (w/Afro-Caribbean) look similar to Central Cee, Mixed people have a variety of phenotypes so in truth ANYONE can "look" Afro-descent because phenotype does not always show that you have African ancestors. We in Guyana and Trinidad know this.
I LOVE hearing Alex Trebeck tell this story. I have some white passing mixed cousins, so I thought he could be mixed too when I was a kid 😂 My one biracial cousin used to wear a necklace that said "100% black" and from a very young age, it bothered me. My daughter is biracial and has a couple of biracial friends who look like her. They gravitated toward each other, so even from a young age, I think most mixed/biracial people know they're their own phenotype. Black people AND white people just won't let them be that. I do not let anyone call my daughter black and I tell her that she is mixed. She knows that mom is black, dad is white, and that she is biracial, brown, or mixed, she'll pick the word she prefers.
watching this after kendrick said "what is it? the braids?" is so good lol ties everything together
1. If all of the diaspora can not agree the BA culture is the baseline for "Blackness". Did I say it was correct? Racism is not based in fact but it is real in the hurt it inflicts.
2. The diaspora must agree their is a strong anti-Black American undertow aka internal anti-Blackness
3. We as a diaspora must agree that RACE, ETHNICITY AND NATION OF BIRTH. Cultural norms and vocabulary that change based on latitude and longitude vs dna only mapping acting like ✨African DNA✨ means a shared lived experience.
4. We must all be on one accord with those things and I know the "problem" will no longer exist.
What are your opinions of people from places like
Papua New Guinea or Aboriginal? Are the diaspora only Africanized black people, or do they include islanders and Asian black people as well? I think there are some non-Africans who are unambiguously black. As in they get treated as black, and have all the features associated with being black.
Right it’s frustrating. It always feels like BA are being bullied into cultural submission. I’m BLACK.. when I went to SA, they called me “Coloured”. Ok, that’s the term they use for ppl who are multigenerational mixed… as MOST if not EVERY BLACK American is. What is lightskin in America isn’t the same worldwide. Brownskin here may be lightskin somewhere else. We have BLACK family that are ALL COLORS and some with light eyes, ginger, dusty blond etc. We don’t count blood quantum, if u came from a Black lineage, u r black… We can always give “Black” back to the original BLACK Americans who self identified as Black as our ethnicity before anyone went and jumped under the cloak of American Blackness. This “everyone is Black” talk is new and unheard of pre 2000s
@@lucianp2616 the diaspora is all people who originated from Africa. Depending on your values all humans are African because the 1st humans were African.
Are dark skinned Asians "Black" because of their non white skin?
If their is no common ground on vocabulary then a conversation is just circles with no goal.
So what do I I think of them? I don't know, I think of reparations, paying my rent and being sure to drink water.
@@EclecticPotpourri In that case even Europeans in Norway are of the African diaspora. What does that have to do with being black?
@@EclecticPotpourri The reason there is no common definition for black is because it used to be called Nword, and was mainly from a place of hate rather than scientific. Now many people label black as sub Saharan African but that's incorrect too because not all black people come from sub Saharan African lineage. It's basically a mess and really black is just a stereotypical phenotype, nothing else.
the conviction in your voice each time you say italian is sending me 😹 also love the shells
There is a lot of work to do about this topic because of the damage we have done in the past i was born in the 80s and you would get your head torn off if you were biracial and claimed it. I always felt weird about that, we need to reinforce the difference if this is to change!!
The only thing I would say is with Central Cee and culture. With him growing up in Shepherds Bush/White City Ladbrook Grove he would have represented something that looks very much like inner-city London culture. Where race starts to compete with class.
Omg Bruno Mars did the same thing! They asked him on the Breakfast Club if he was black and he declined to answer 😂😂 He was like “go look it up”. It’s like …sir stop the nonsense. You don’t want people to know you’re not black because you have built an empire off of appropriating black culture and remaking music from black legends.
I am racially ambiguous as well. my mother is black and my dad is half black half white. I think gatekeeping blackness is extremely important and im fine with terms like mixed/biracial and making the distinction. I have heard some dumbies say things like “black is whatever the cops think you are” sooo stupid.
Are you really racially ambiguous? If that is you in the picture my mother and grandmother who have always been considered black are much lighter and would be considered waaayyy more ambiguous. You have the same phenotype as Left Eye or keri hilson, which looks mixed with something, dot, dot, dot...but not racially ambiguous. Lisa Raye is not racially ambiguous and she definitely looks more mixed than your picture. Maybe my color gradient spectrum is off because of the admixture in my family, but Mariah Carey, Charlie Baltimore, and Paula Abdul would be considered racially ambiguous to me and most of the world would
agree.
@@justgoddessesonlydid you “dot, dot, dot” followed by an ellipsis? I want to understand
@@NiKiMa023 Gurl. "did you..."? Coming for a person's grammar when you don't understand the basic subject-verb-object sentence structure is interesting to say the least😂. My mistake was intentional, your critique is embarrassing in your attempt to 'clock' someone.
@@justgoddessesonly mine is not a critique, it was indeed a question. I wanted to understand how that was meant to be conveyed, like you, I also enjoy some word play.
Neither of us is embarrassed, but one of us jumped the gun
@@NiKiMa023 Yea it was passive aggressive like this response and I just entertained your silliness, that's all. The topic at hand and my response is about the poster's lack of racial ambiguity and blk women wanting to be seen and recognized for possessing higher concentrations of non-black admixtures (true or not) and clearly that triggered you. Thanks for the proper sentence structure this time around✨.
They marveled at Paula Abdul. The wonderment worked for her and Mariah Carey.