Ecumenical Benediction works nicely. Our town takes an ecumenical walk to a ruined Benedictine house nearby once a year. The Anglican parish sings Evensong, we provide the sacrament for Benediction afterwards, and it generally aids in healing and bridging the boundaries of the different Christian’s in the town as well as collective mourning for martyrs and the lost pre reformation culture. Even the Wesleyans and the Quakers turn up. And all with the approval of the Bishop of East Anglia
@minui8758 that sounds like a great event. When you step back from the reformation and look at it from a worldview focused on obedience and that dissent on religious matters was looked at in the same context as sedition or treason. A lot of blood was shed on both sides needlessly and where do you start healing 500-year-old wounds caused by sectarian hatred.
@ it only really works because the established state parish is so Anglo-Catholic. If they were low church evangelicals I can’t imagine them accepting Benediction, still less kneeling for it or providing altar servers as a guard of honour on the procession route. Huge problem with ecumenism with Anglicans is that it’s so very variable parish to parish, priest to priest, even person to person
@ and 100%. You have understood the difficulty perfectly. Harsh judgements either way for any lay folks or clerics are unhelpful in the English reform. Most blame must be reserved for Henry and Elizabeth, and to a lesser extent Edward VI and James I. Even Charles I and Charles II, who reading between the lines probably wanted to legalise Catholicism or even reverse the reform on the most radical view (Charles II had a deathbed conversion to Rome and confessed to a priest), were victims of precedent and circumstance
@minui8758 well I think you have to go all the way back not only to Henry VIII but all the way to Luther and the fact that civil government did get involved with what was really a religious practice & Doctrine issue and what occurred about the same time was the rise and because of it the ascendancy of the modern Westphalian nation state system. It evolved where Nations asserted their sovereignty out of a feudal system where every Christian Monarch was a vassal of the Pope and generally speaking in all of human history, authorities don't peacefully surrender autonomy to their subordinates. A German priest who raised some legitimate questions got slapped down and BAM they now had a higher cause to Rally everyone around. And for the past 4,000 years of human history dissension from the state religion that is the religion your Sovereign said you will be was looked at in the same context as treason or sedition
6:04 I do love the hypocrisy of being offended by our usage of the term "Papist" (an historic term used precisely because we fundamentally reject your claim to be the fullness of the Catholic Church), but being totally fine with comparing Protestantism, en toto, as a sodomite "marriage".
I am all for eating at the same table as Protestants. But that is not the same as partaking of the Eucharist. We can share in the unity of belief in Christ without sacrificing the sacredness and supreme importance of the body and blood of Christ given to us. I'm sure her heart is in a good place, but it seems that she is very much coming at this from a, well, Protestant view of communion.
A. strange concept. You could argue this idea within the scope of those who both believe in real presence. let's say Catholic / Lutheran or Catholic / Anglican. But then you would have a significant problem having the real presence vs non-presence churches in the room together Catholic / Presbyterian or Anglican / Baptist. Not a debate over theology or even words of consecration among the real presence crowd. You literally would have both sides sitting there saying what's happening on the other side of the room is not happening. Let's not even bother delving into what churches practice open communion vs those that have closed communion.
"I'm sure she means well" = bless her heart
@@cactoidjim1477 something like that…
"It's like having a marriage and a gay marriage in the same ceremony"
Kyle Whittington: That's a great analogy
Me: Protestants are gay
Ecumenical Benediction works nicely. Our town takes an ecumenical walk to a ruined Benedictine house nearby once a year. The Anglican parish sings Evensong, we provide the sacrament for Benediction afterwards, and it generally aids in healing and bridging the boundaries of the different Christian’s in the town as well as collective mourning for martyrs and the lost pre reformation culture. Even the Wesleyans and the Quakers turn up. And all with the approval of the Bishop of East Anglia
@minui8758 that sounds like a great event. When you step back from the reformation and look at it from a worldview focused on obedience and that dissent on religious matters was looked at in the same context as sedition or treason. A lot of blood was shed on both sides needlessly and where do you start healing 500-year-old wounds caused by sectarian hatred.
@ it only really works because the established state parish is so Anglo-Catholic. If they were low church evangelicals I can’t imagine them accepting Benediction, still less kneeling for it or providing altar servers as a guard of honour on the procession route. Huge problem with ecumenism with Anglicans is that it’s so very variable parish to parish, priest to priest, even person to person
@ and 100%. You have understood the difficulty perfectly. Harsh judgements either way for any lay folks or clerics are unhelpful in the English reform. Most blame must be reserved for Henry and Elizabeth, and to a lesser extent Edward VI and James I. Even Charles I and Charles II, who reading between the lines probably wanted to legalise Catholicism or even reverse the reform on the most radical view (Charles II had a deathbed conversion to Rome and confessed to a priest), were victims of precedent and circumstance
@minui8758 well I think you have to go all the way back not only to Henry VIII but all the way to Luther and the fact that civil government did get involved with what was really a religious practice & Doctrine issue and what occurred about the same time was the rise and because of it the ascendancy of the modern Westphalian nation state system. It evolved where Nations asserted their sovereignty out of a feudal system where every Christian Monarch was a vassal of the Pope and generally speaking in all of human history, authorities don't peacefully surrender autonomy to their subordinates. A German priest who raised some legitimate questions got slapped down and BAM they now had a higher cause to Rally everyone around. And for the past 4,000 years of human history dissension from the state religion that is the religion your Sovereign said you will be was looked at in the same context as treason or sedition
A better headline would be “another crazy person wants to destroy the sacraments”.
I am worried about the safety of that microphone given your past history, Kyle...
6:04 I do love the hypocrisy of being offended by our usage of the term "Papist" (an historic term used precisely because we fundamentally reject your claim to be the fullness of the Catholic Church), but being totally fine with comparing Protestantism, en toto, as a sodomite "marriage".
Who said I was offended?
@@KyleWhittington you repeatedly make a point in social media to belittle the usage of the term "Papist".
I am all for eating at the same table as Protestants. But that is not the same as partaking of the Eucharist. We can share in the unity of belief in Christ without sacrificing the sacredness and supreme importance of the body and blood of Christ given to us. I'm sure her heart is in a good place, but it seems that she is very much coming at this from a, well, Protestant view of communion.
A. strange concept. You could argue this idea within the scope of those who both believe in real presence. let's say Catholic / Lutheran or Catholic / Anglican. But then you would have a significant problem having the real presence vs non-presence churches in the room together Catholic / Presbyterian or Anglican / Baptist. Not a debate over theology or even words of consecration among the real presence crowd. You literally would have both sides sitting there saying what's happening on the other side of the room is not happening. Let's not even bother delving into what churches practice open communion vs those that have closed communion.